Locked In with Ian Bick - Max B: How I Survived 15+ Years In New Jersey State Prison

Episode Date: December 30, 2025

Max B sits down with Ian Bick for a raw, open & honest conversation about his life, music, and surviving more than 15 years behind bars. He opens up about growing up in Harlem, his first prison sentence at Rikers Island and in New York State prison, and how he initially got into music and rose to fame. Max B then breaks down his second arrest, being sentenced to 75 years in prison, and what it took to survive New Jersey State Prison while continuing to put out music from behind the walls. He also shares how his sentence was eventually reduced, the mindset that kept him going, and what it’s been like finally getting out of prison and moving forward with his life. _____________________________________________ #MaxB #PrisonStory #NewJerseyStatePrison #PrisonSurvival #HipHopStories #LifeAfterPrison #TrueCrimeStories #redemptionstory _____________________________________________ Connect with Max B: https://www.instagram.com/maxb140/?hl=en Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Max B Speaks Out After Prison Release 03:10 Growing Up in Harlem, New York 05:10 Family Life, Values & Early Influences 08:00 School, Youth Trouble & Street Life 11:50 First Time in Prison: Jail Experience & Finding Music 17:40 Discovering Music as a Way Out 21:30 First Release & Breaking Into the Music Industry 25:00 Back on the Streets & Second Arrest 29:00 Facing a 75-Year Prison Sentence 32:00 Making Music While Incarcerated 34:40 Life Inside New Jersey Maximum Security Prison 39:00 Violence, Survival & Prison Hustles 44:20 Social Media, Fame & Cultural Impact 47:40 Family, Children & Time Lost Behind Bars 50:00 Sentence Reduction & Getting Released 54:30 Prison Food, Cookbooks & Hustling Inside 01:00:00 Life After Prison: Freedom & Reentry 01:06:00 Building New Memories & What’s Next 01:08:40 Advice for the Next Generation & Final Thoughts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The first big moment in the music when I started writing songs for Diary in the summer. Tell us about sentences. day for that second case, what that was like. So they gave me 75 years? I made a song, 75 in the can, made a record in jail. Now, a guy like you, do you have to click up with anyone when you're there or do you ride solo? How does that work?

It's very dangerous, me. Very dangerous, very deadly. Max B was released from prison just weeks ago, and this is one of the few interviews he's done since coming home. He opens up about growing up in Harlem, serving time at Rikers Island and in New York State Prison, rising to fame in the music industry, and then being hit with with a life-altering 75-year sentence. This conversation dives into surviving New Jersey State Prison,

continuing to make music while locked up, getting his sentence reduced, and what freedom feels like after spending more than 15 years behind bars. I also want to give a quick shout out to Steve Starks and Diram for making this episode happen. Max B, welcome to Locked in. Thanks so much for making the time to be here today

and welcome home. Thank you, man. I appreciate the hospitality. is a very nice place. And thank you. Of course. How was a show last night, too? You were performing in Connecticut?

It was nice. I didn't know if it was when we was walking through there and looked at a little, right, looked a little thin. But that wasn't even the section. We went in the section, it was kind of like, it was nice and packed. It was a nice little sellout crowd. So we did our thing.

It was a good look. Was this your first snowstorm from being home? Yes. Was that weird? Well, my wife from Miami. So this is maybe her second time seeing some snow. She's like infatuated with the snow. So I just run with it.

I'm like, I'm with on it. So it feel good to be back home and have a snowy Christmas. I was just telling her that the other day. So it's nice, man. I appreciate it. I even got a white Christmas tree I put up in the house. Oh, yeah. I went away, white Christmas tree this year too.

Yeah. I went white Christmas tree. Since I was little, I've been like my thing. I always loved the white Christmas trees. It just put a whole other feel. The Christmas lights. I'm in all that. Macy's.

I love Macy's. You know what I'm saying? This time of year. So it's nice. It's beautiful. Merry Christmas to everybody. You got the fancy Macy's in the city, though, in New York. You said the fancy?

The fancy ones. Like the big ones? Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. We got the tiny ones in Connecticut. Yeah, we got like, a whole square block, right? Macy's, Macy's is like a whole square block, like six stories or something like that. So yeah, it's definitely one of the biggest Macy's. But just the lights, just the aura of it.

I really don't shop at Macy's anymore. But just the aura of it, the lights, the holiday spirit. You know, it's good to be back finally after all these years, to be home around my family. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's a blessing. I feel blessed, bro. Where do you grow up, Max? I'm a Harlem dude, man.

I'm a Harlem dude, man. I'm from New York, New York City through and through, man. 140, 11th, 1002nd, Linux. I was raised on 7th, 8th, just around Harlem, Manhattan, New York, Bronx, all that, been around all that, Brooklyn, you know, just a city dude, man. I love my big apple. Who raised you?

Who raised me? Well, I went through phases when I was, when I was, my moms didn't really raise me too, too much. You know what I'm saying? She probably brought me up to about seven, eight. And then I moved to my grandmas. And my grandmas got me up to like 13 or something like that. Then I went, you know what I'm saying?

And I start finding my own way, you know what I'm saying, for the most part. But my, no, my parents was kind of disgruntled, man. They was, they was out. They was dysfunctional, man. They had to go out. You know what I'm saying? So everybody was out. trying to find out what they was finding.

You know, we was left trying to figure it out. But we figured it out. It was a long ride, but we figured it out. Where was your dad? Was he not in the picture? No, actually this. Even though my family was dysfunctional, they was in the picture. So my dad was there.

He worked every day, you know what I'm saying? When he came on, you know, he drunk his, he drunk his bulls, you know what I'm saying? Did his little thing and he went and that was it. But he was there. So, you know, shout to my dad, even my mom's. She ran the street. She still found time to, you know, teach her certain things and morals and values and principles despite her struggles or whatever.

But it took a village to raise me, man. My whole family took apart and raised me. I got time with my aunts, my uncles, my older brothers. So. What was the biggest lesson your mom taught you as a kid? My mom just taught me always keep God first, you know what I'm saying? Always keep God first. Anything I do, you know what I'm saying?

Keep prayer in my life. Keep that back. Keep a spiritual balance no matter what. No matter how much money we do, no matter how much faith. No matter what, just keep God first. That always been her thing. That always been my grandmother thing since I can remember. So, you know, I just took that with me.

And, you know, it got me here. It's definitely a good value mom has taught. What do your parents do for work? Well, my mom, I don't even remember my mom's working. You know what I'm saying? My mom was, she know how to hustle. She know how to do, she know how to do her shit. She know how to get money from the government, all the type of shit.

Mom, Mar just, she just know how to move. She's a New Yorker, you know what I'm saying? My dad was more of a day-to-day, you know what I'm saying? or a hard worker, man's man, if he need to go in there and lift up some shit to go, you know what I'm saying? At a warehouse, he can do that, he can drive. So my dad did what it takes, did what it took. And my mom, you know, she was just trying to figure shit out.

But for the most part, I don't remember my mom's working. Not one job. Maybe like some type of drug counselor or something. Like, I don't even remember my mom's working, but I'm serious. She knows how to get that. money from the government. Did you have siblings? Yeah, I got siblings. I got a older brother. I got, it's mad of us, bro. It's a lot of us. I got, I got brothers. I got like eight, like eight brothers, like two, three sisters. It's siblings. It's siblings. It's a lot to count

right now. What were you like as a kid? What's young Max like before you ever became famous or well-known? I just was a happy dude, man. I was always, I'm me, I'm me now. So whatever, if you know me back then, you know there's not too much of a difference. You know what I'm saying? I just like to play running around, you know what I'm saying, have fun. I like that when I was young, I liked the, you know, pretty girls or whatever.

I like smoking my weed, shit, drinking beer, drinking 40s. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, Max just was, was, you know, a cool guy. I was Charlie Rambo then. I was a cool guy, man. Everybody loved me. I'm well-known. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I was just a good guy, man, to be around. I would, I would think. I was always a good guy to be around. Well, I think you get that too by your photos and everything. You see what you post on Instagram and even meeting you in person. You're very happy. And, you know, you put out good energies. So people feel that.

Listen, man, that's good. That's good to know. And I'm glad to people feel like that. That's why I do what I do. And I remain the same. I don't change. I am who I am. And, you know, I just be happy.

Go about my day. Go about my business. Spend time with my children. You know what I'm saying? As much as I can. And just get reacclimated, man. You know what I'm saying? Been going to a while.

What was your favorite childhood memory? Well, I probably, now that I think, think about it. Just when we was all together, me, my older brothers, my other brother was alive then, my mom, my dad, all of us at one time together, that was probably my best memory, you know what I'm saying, before everything started, before the drugs, it whatever. I could remember us being a cohesive unit, you know what I'm saying, and that's what I remember. So that was probably my funnest child, child, my best memory.

I'm not going to say fun, but my best childhood memory is probably with my brothers, my mom, and my dad on Lennox Avenue. Now, Teenager Max, what did you want to be when you grew up? Did you have any thoughts about that? I actually didn't, man. You know, I was like one of them teenagers that was like, I didn't know what I wanted to do. You know what I'm saying? So it just took me time.

You know, that's why my first bid was like a blessing in the disguise, because once I went in for the eight years, it allowed me to really, you know, sit back and reflect on some things that, you know, what you love to do, what I like to do, spend time on myself, practice. And then, you know, I discovered I had this beautiful craft of writing music. So I just stuck with it, psh, and voila. Were you into music before that first bit, or did that develop while you were in there that first time.

No, I was like playing with it right before I got locked up. But I'm talking about, like, when I had got locked up the first bid, that got like, gave me a chance to really get serious, really tap into the craft. You know what I'm saying? Really right every day. Really just study. Just study. You got to study your shit, bro.

See how you got this shit laid out? You could tell this, this was something that. that bending on your mind, that bending your heart. You can feel it. You know what I'm saying? When you go up in here, you feel it. So, you know, that's just kind of how I feel about the crap. I spent time with it, build it, you know what I'm saying, petted it, vetted it, did all I can do

till it became, you know, one, like my second nature. It just became like, you know what I'm saying? So this is the vibe I got here when I walked in. I said, all right, it's filled. It's like he had this on his mind. I love that because then it builds the connection between the person you're interviewing and the host. It gets a guest comfortable.

Absolutely, absolutely. Shit, I mean, listen, man, let me tell you something. It ain't too many places I can't be comfortable, man. I try not to get comfortable, but if I want to be comfortable, I can be comfortable You know what I'm saying? But yeah, absolutely, man. It's some good stuff here, man.

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I was actually, like, kicked out of high school. I was like a bad kid. What happened? How did you get kicked out? Man, it was kind of a blessing in disguise because I don't think, I think about when the guy kicked out of that actual day, but I wouldn't have got expelled. I was coming out of there with my guy to do some shit. I probably would have regret it.

So it was a blessing in disguise. I just came in there on some bullshit one day. I left and came back. They was waiting for me like, man, you ain't come. I was like, all right, good. I ain't coming in there. I'm all right with that. How did your mom react to you not finishing high school?

Well, my mom kind of like, my mom drifted, bro. Once I left my mom's, when I went to move with my mom's and like, when I left my mom's crib and like 88, 89 or something to go move with my grandmother, that was the last time I lived with my mom. I didn't live with my mom. I didn't live with my moms again till I was 25 when I came home on parole. So I didn't have no relationship with my mother as far as, you know what I'm saying? Our relationship came through prison correspondence.

When I went first in, when I first went in on the first bid, she was even locked up for like a year in. And then she had came out and then we started building from there. Do you find it interesting that you had the same relationship with your kids? I mean, look, I love my mother despite all the shit she went through or whatever. I love my mother. I treat my kids, like, totally different than what my mother, how she treated me. You know what I'm saying? I try to give my kids freedom.

And I tell them shit like, yo, you know, If you do this, if you want to do this, you can't do that. Because if you fuck up with that, you're not going to be able to do that. So you got to make a decision to repercussions, you know what I'm saying, to all this shit. So, you know, and that's it, man. I just let them watch me work. They see the commitment. I teach them about commitment.

You know what I'm saying? And, you know, just staying focused and sticking with something. Even if it don't look like it's supposed to look in your head. I don't mean it's not there. You got to keep working, keep fighting, keep pushing, and you know, you got to bring it into fruition. Was college ever a thought for you? No.

I tried college in prison. I try like correspondence courses. It didn't work out. I didn't like it, man. Too much work is too much literature. too much reading. I got too much anxiety to read the books that,

you know what I'm saying? One of my cellies was like doing, he had like a 4.0 GPA. So he used to bring the books in. The guy would be up with me to three, four in the morning, writing papers, essays, all type of shit.

And he still be up going out to sell the next day back to something like, yo, he was like a little freaky in a different way as far as, you know. But no, once he showed me all the work Once I saw the work I said, nah, I can't fuck with that. That's too much time, that's too much.

How old were you when you got sentenced to prison the first time? I went in when I was, shit, I was like my son age, like 18, 18 close to 19, you know what I'm saying? And yeah, I got sentenced to eight years to first bed. I did eight, I did seven years straight.

I was home like four months and then went back in on the violation and then 10 months. What was that for? What was that charge? The violation was, well, after the seven, when I came home after seven years, bro, I just didn't want to be on parole.

So I had trouble with the rules. I had trouble with the curfew. I wanted to smoke weed. Wee wasn't legal then. He pissed you for weed. You should go to jet. So it was just a different time. I was young still.

You know what I'm saying? I wanted to come out and do my thing. I wanted to do music. I wanted to mess with girls. I just wanted to be free. And my P.O. was like a certified asshole. Super cop. Asshole.

Straight dick. So. Now what about that charge that sent you to prison the first time? What was that? Shit, we was, man. I was like a fucking two-bit crook running around doing like petty robber. and shit like that. Just in the way, young, dumb shit with no guidance, no vision, no leadership, no true

mentors in my life to guide me. You know what I'm saying? Just making mistakes and finding out the hallway and doing time learning my lesson that way. You know what I'm saying? So the only thing I would do is like, all right, if I'm doing time, I might as well make the best of it. Did you spend any time at Rikers before that first?

Yeah, I did Rikers time. I did a bunch of time on Rikers. What was that like back then in the 90s? Shit, Rikers in my day was scary, bro. You had to, like, you had to be a technician to survive that shit. You know what I'm saying? So it was just scary. But at the same time, not scary is the weird, like, haunted, how scary.

scary as it you just never know what can happen anytime of the day there's some shit going down you got the police running up in there

they fucking us up they stripping us throwing us on the wall fucking out property up and shit like that so it was always

something in there it was always them days we'd be like man I just can't get the weight I can't I gotta get out of here

so you know it was just a lot of that a lot of fucking mental anguish and just sitting in different cells that shit is like could be traumatic

if you're not like headstrong so you got to stay focused and you got to you just got to stay in your head and you got to stay focused man keep God first keep the prayer first and just keep grinding

man that's all you could do what prisons did you spend time in that first bid those seven years oh man so let me see if I still remember my lineup. My first prison was, I went to Dow State, then I went to Green, no, Caxacket, then Green,

and I went to Watertown, then I went to Franklin, then Beahill, the camps, and I've been everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Nida. So I went to like 12 prisons. I've been to Fishkill, I've been to Arthur Kill. So I've been to a lot of jails. That's kind of like how I broke up my first eight years. Like six months I put in for it to go to another place.

And just by the time I get reacclimated, six months don't went by. You know what I'm saying? So that's kind of how I did the first bed. I was more so trying to kill time instead of utilizing the time. Now more that I understand that. What was it like as a young in your early 20s kid in there, you know, growing up in prison during those prime years? That shit was just rough, man.

It was just like, yo, when the fuck? Like, I gotta get, like, you say that shit every day. Like, I know when you was locked up, you used to be saying, like, man, I can't wait to get the fuck out of it. I can't wait to get the fuck out of it. But, you know, when you're doing time, you're doing time. So if you got four or five years left, you know you're getting out. You can't really torture yourself with the, I'm getting, I got to get it. You're going to get there when you get there.

And till then, you got to do it. you got to do to get through, you know what I'm saying? So it just was a lot of that. You know what I'm saying? A lot of bullshit over the years, just doing dumb shit, getting caught with shit, going to jail, going to the box. There's always something with me when I was locked up. So until I got my shit, like the last two years ever,

probably was the best two years. I did it anywhere. I was like on my super best behavior, you heard. Tell us about that transformation. into music that you were telling us about earlier during that first bid. It was just like a sanctuary for me when I could, when I could grab a pencil or pad and I could, I could write and then look down like seven hours that went past and I didn't even know it.

This is when I knew I had something special. I'm like, dad, I just spent eight hours writing this shit. I didn't even, I wasn't even thinking about the time. I was so involved in what I was doing and loving it so much. I didn't even care about the time. So this let me know. This let me know this is a passion. So this is some shit I really, really love.

You know what I'm saying? So I just got better with it and just kept working on it every day, day and night, day and night, no matter what, because they can't take your pencil in your pen. So you could be in the dark crevices, any cell you want. You could always have a pencil in a pen. You can always write. And anytime I can write, I'll be good, man. Who inspired you?

Who inspired me to be a rapper? Yeah. A couple people inspired me. I'm going to say that. Like, when I was young and I had watched, like, Mace and Cam and them come up first because we had came out of that block. And they used to be telling me shit, like, you know what I'm saying? Yo, bro, you could do some shit with this music.

You got that talk. I never thought nothing of it until I started. really putting it together. But my inspiration comes from to pop. You know what I'm saying? When I used to see pop, I used to, that was like the,

I was like infatuated with, with the feel. Not the sound, but just the feel. So I was always used to say whatever I felt when I listened to his music, I want people to feel that when they listen to my music.

So that's kind of like what I try to give off every time I do my shit. I want you to feel like I used to feel when I listen to Tupac. So Tupac was by inspiration. He's like, he made me want to be like a superstar artist, checking the boxes, doing movies, dating models, dating actresses, you know what I'm saying? This is what Pock made me want, you know what I'm saying? So that's the piece of Pock. That's my inspiration. That's where I go from.

When you were sitting in prison that first bid, did you ever think your career would take off to the level it would later become? I don't even watch it, man. I just, yo, I'm telling you. I just go out there and perform. I don't even know where I'm at. I don't think I'll never be satisfied or complacent in my career. I just go, man.

I still think I'm building. I don't think we did nothing yet we didn't even scratch the surface I haven't had the proper backings and things of that nature like I owe like, you know what I'm saying like some of these hardest have I always wanted to

so but you know I just go out there and just do what I do for the people so I guess you're not going to get a lot of recognition or you know for that you know I just go out and do what I do man I'm not trying to be Nothing else. I just wanted to give you good product, great music.

I give you great content, you know what I'm saying? And I just beat me. If it's in there for me to push, then come on. You know what I'm saying? If not, I'm good either way, man. I'm chilling. What happens when you get out of prison? You serve your violation time too.

How does the music career take off? I just had to, uh, I thought I was so, I was like real cocky. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, if I just get around the right people, if the right people hear my sound, I'm good. That's kind of how I worked out. I've seen these guys, like seeing Camming them

in like a double XL magazine or something. And I was like, oh, okay, this is my ticket right here. I know these guys. Once I see them, I get in. That's how I got in. Do you remember that first big moment, what that was? The first big moment in the music when I think, You know, when I started writing songs for Diary the Summer, for Jimmy or whatever, he was like, yo, boom, jump on that, boom.

And that was like me around working every night, putting my shit, getting into the next level. That kind of was like, that was like my moment right there. Do you think you matured that first prison sentence? Like, how would you have described yourself when you got out of there in your late 20s? I think I was a little extra crazy And then I am now I'm a little more reserve now Definitely more reserved

Back then I was a straight nut You know what I'm saying But I was young too I was only like 26 years So I wanted to do my thing I wasn't This was all new to me The world was new to me

So And I had this talent I just wanted to use my talent utilize it. I wanted to have fun. I wanted to make a bunch of money. I wanted to be with the girl. I wanted to take care of my family.

You know what I'm saying? Want to borrow me a house, shit like that. So that's where I was at with it. Did you think you were going to ever go back to prison when you were 26? I never in my, listen, that's some shit that caught me totally off. I never, that's why. You can't, you know, you can. One could never.

I felt exempt because I never in a million years thought I would go back to prison, let alone for a fucking, my case? Oh. So, listen, that was some shit. How long were you free for between that first bid and the second bid? I think I was out like two years. Oh, that's it. Yeah, it wasn't long. I came out, I came out in 2005 in September 206, we caught.

this case. So like a year, a little bit over a year and a half, I wasn't even home. So after I catch this case, I was in jail for another 10 months. Then I bailed out and I was home for two years. That allowed me to make the music, a lot of music I got rotating today that the people listened to. Did you know you were going to go to jail for a long period of time at that point? Or was it kind of just up in the air? Now, I knew shit was looking rough, you heard, so I was just doing what I could, I was living, I kind of was like, when I was on bail, I was just like living, I was like live every day like it's my last mold. That's where I was at with it. So every, that's why y'all see me, if you see a lot of

my early videos, you see me having like wild fun, you see me wild on wild orgy time, year, that's because, like, living, living life. like it's my last day. They're about to roast my ass. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just trying to get all I can get. And then before they send me away, yo. That's kind of, that was my mindset.

Do you wish you did something differently when you first got out of prison? Maybe hang around different people or, you know, choose a different path? Nah, I don't do that like that. Whatever, I'm right where he wants me at. Wherever I'm at, right where you're supposed to be. I ain't even, I wouldn't change anything. I wouldn't change nothing. I wouldn't do nothing different.

I do it all again just to get me right back here to this spot. Tell us about sentencing day for that second case, what that was like. The sentencing wasn't that hard. It was the guilty verdict. That was the shocker. Once you go back for the sentence and it's like, that's mumbo-jumbo. When they tell you you're guilty, that's when they put the cups on you and they remand you. That's when shit is real.

By the time you go back to send this in, that's all theatrics for the courtroom, the prosecution, and all the state. It's all theatrics. It's all the family, the victim, the victim's family or whatever. That's all for them, you know what I'm saying, they come and, you know, get to see you, they get to speak. So by that, by then, it's like, yo, I just want to get back to myself. I'm on that time.

I'm like, man, let me get this shit over with, so I can get this shit over it, so I can get back to myself. So that was probably the roughest part for me, the verdict, the actual verdict, not the sentence. So you went to trial. I went to trial. How much time did they sentence you to? I blew trial at 75 years.

Did you know that would have been the outcome if you blew trial? Well, I had like a 30-something in life, 40 years already expectation. I didn't really care. It was like, what's the difference between? 70 in life. You're still going to die. Still an old man. You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, okay, to me that's theatrics. Courtroom theatrics. You know what I'm saying? I don't get caught up in that. As soon as I blew trial, my focus already was working on getting back. How I'm going to get back?

What I'm going to get back? What I'm going to get back? What got me in here? What's going to get me out? So I wasn't worrying about the sentence. That was just something that I used for me. So they gave me 75 years. I made a song.

75 in the can. Made a record in jail. A clear record, too. And shit like that. I was just using it, persevering. You give me 75. You gave me, you give me an L, I'm saying. You give me an L, I'm making an M.

Motherfucker, you give me 75. I make a song. So that's how I look at it. Perseverment. It's all theatrics. The guilty verdict is the started dish. Everything else after that is crap. How does that work making a record in prison?

I know Lil Wayne did that and quite a few other rappers. How does that work? Man, I had like a workstation. I had like a sexy workstation and do like everything. You get you like a mic, you can make a mic, like a filter. Get you a couple of SD cards. I used to get the beats in off the J-Pay, drag them off there,

put them into the thing. You know, if I get the privilege to have a thing thing, I might get my hands on the Jiznack. I can do a little extra, you know what I'm saying, grab some things, load that up, and, you know, just get the work. I was getting the work in that shit. I ain't stopped that.

You ain't stopped me. Listen, I made so many records in jazz. It's crazy. Now, were you signed to a label or anything when you went to prison? I was with phase one at the time. My guy Frank had helped me out at the time. He was running phase one. And, you know, I was mostly independent.

I just had backing. So whenever I wanted to push something out, I'd go through my guys. And they just put that shit out. And it might not do what, you know, what it would normally do. But it wasn't really about that to me. It was just getting it out. I was able to make music. again, that felt good, you know what I'm saying?

I wound them getting like a little orchard thing, a little orchid budget there. They gave me like a million dollars of some shit, Sony Orchid. While you were in prison? Now that money doesn't go on your books, does it? No, I'm saying. I drop house money. I dropped Charlie. I drop, um, I drop, um, Cokeway 4.

We drop, you know what I'm saying? We put tapes out in jail. I dropped Negro spiritual. They gave me like a million dollars for that shit back in like 2018 or 19 or something like that. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, I was in there working, man, making music, man. So that shit was nothing. I was in there working.

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So I just had a lot of shit going on, you know, a lot of unfinished business, a lot of stuff that I needed to take care that wasn't taking care of. So, this shit is crazy, boy, I just, I just be, it's shit crazy, bro. It's a long, you know what's going on. You did that little three ball. Listen, man. Only a fraction of what you've done, yeah. It's still an all. man, whatever you did three,

whatever I did, 17, shit, my, you're three, I seen guys coming in six months and they can't hang. So, you know, he only gonna put on what we could bear.

You know what I'm saying? And, yo, three years, a long time, too. 17, 18 years, long time? Listen, three years a long time, too. That's a long time. My last three years

This was crazy, bro. Were you known in prison when you first went in that second time? Did people know of you? I was very known. I was very known. That's what made it even more challenging to do the, I'm saying, to figure out the bed. I was known. I wasn't known though because where I was at when I went to Trenton.

So you had guys in there like that was doing megatom that was in there for some real shit. But when I were going visits, you know, these guys' family would be like, yo, that's Max. And you guys have been in jail like, who? I don't know. You know, they don't know. They don't know. They don't got shit out there. When I went to Trenton, there was nothing there.

They had radios, and it wasn't even no cable TV. You know what I'm saying? So you were fucked up. You wasn't getting nothing. And that's how they would know me, would be from their family. They see me on a visit They'd talk to their family They'd be like their family

Tell me, yo, that's Matt You can you get me an autograph? Can you get me a You know what I'm saying? Shit like that But yeah, I was known But at the end of the day I did a good bit

I can't complain Prison wasn't bad to me Is that where they send you When you have life, Trenton? Go to Trenton You go to the Big House I call it the Big House And that's in New York

That's in New Jersey That's in Trenton, New Jersey They send New York inmates to New Jersey? My case was in New Jersey. Ah, okay. This case happened in the New Jersey Hotel in Bergen County.

So once I blew trial and got convicted, they sent my ass to the big house. So I was down there with all these guys with all this time. Now, a guy like you, do you have to click up with anyone

when you're there, or do you ride solo? How does that work? Listen, man, I'm going to tell you, the only way, the best way, the best way to survive,

anywhere on this planet, anywhere in this world, is to be yourself. So I never joined no gang. I never clicked up. I got with a couple of Harlem dudes that I was there. I was with my co-defendant. We was there. And that was it. So we ain't need too much.

Just be ourselves and just, you know what I'm saying? Because we lead us at the end of the day anyway. So once I get aggravated and niggas see I'm not on those scary shit, they're going to fuck with me. Plus, I like drugs. cigarettes and shit, so I'm buying shit up. I'm good for the economy. I always boosted the prison economy where I was at.

Boosted that shit up. That shit booming. So it is what it is. How did the guards treat you in there? I know you said it was rough at Rikers, but in New Jersey, how are they? Nah, Jersey took, I ain't going to lie. Jersey took care of me, bro. I did a sweet, I did a sweet, a sweet bid in Jersey.

I've been around a lot of dudes. I've been a lot of around a lot of assholes. A lot of fucked up police. And even the fucked up ones, some of them took a liking to me. They always respected me thought I was smart. They always knew I was working and working on my craft. So, you know, they used to root for me. I can't complain.

It wasn't perfect. It wasn't perfect. But it wasn't fucked up neither to where you know what I'm saying shit fucking me up now I'm gonna go do that shit get that beard right come out

I still making bussing my little traps sending bread out doing what I could do providing still being the leader doing what I could do set an example

was it dangerous in there in New Jersey at the Max prisons it's very dangerous in there very dangerous very deadly very

now you might not see it every day you ain't going to see it every day you can it's happened but that's just that's the scary part of it not knowing it's unpredictable

you don't know when that shit can happen so it's very deadly very scary and very unpredictable and when shit go down it go down motherfuckers die what was the worst thing you saw I saw two niggins stabbing each other

for about 45 minutes chasing each other around the mess all to bloody. These niggas is bloody. They so bloody, they slip in and sliding all over the place. And they just stabbing each other and chasing each other. And the police is not going to come in there and stop that fight. So them niggas get tired and surrender. So they're just going to be spraying tear gas and fucking pepper spray to try to get them to calm down. but these two niggas ain't trying to calm down

they're trying to kill each other so they're on they on a hundred the police on the hundred and we tear gas up we're trying to let this shit be over with but until these two niggas either kill each other or one of them die

this shit gonna go on until it go on so they wind up stabbing three pints of blood out of each other then turned their self and to the wall and I was like yo that just let me know

this some shit I'm in some shit and I don't know these niggas I'm in a whole other state so that shit is crazy but still in all with all that being said I gotta focus I gotta stay diligent

and I gotta beat me why does something like that happen in there man listen let me tell you something I see niggas I seen niggas stab each other over nothing and they say some shit

like it's the principal so something like that happens either a nigger says something a nigger they don't call the nigger out of pocket a nigger than a lot of niggas get

told on a lot of niggas take the stand on their case in Jersey small there's only a couple of prisons out there So nine out of ten, if y'all both got, if me and you both got 30 years, nine and a half out of ten, we're going to end up in Trenton. So you're going to see the guy who told on you. That shit could turn real ugly, all right?

So you got that. And, yo, you just got to move. It's hard to explain. You got to have, like, instinct almost. You just got to, you know what I'm saying? You can't play. Ain't no playing with niggas. Ain't no board games.

Like anything that could maximize you getting caught up, you got to stay away from poker tables and shit like that gambling, getting in debt. It's all shit that can get you stabbed. What was it like to see social media evolve while you were in prison? Because when you went in, there was no social media. Nah, it wasn't no social media. When I went in, man, they had what, my space?

Oh, yeah, MySpace. Yeah, it just started like Facebook and stuff like that. There was no IG. But, listen, it's just like one whole big interaction. I mean, I think it's good for the world. It's good for the people. It can be utilized. People utilize it.

And it just levels the playing field for everybody, bro. It's a level, it's an even playing field. So if you can't get it down, then I don't know. No, that's on you. But I love social media. I love seeing it levels out the playing ground for everybody. Just a regular Joe Smoker come in and do what he need to do. And that's all you can ask for.

Everybody to have an opportunity. Makes the world a better place when everybody's eating. Do you think having a social media platform when getting released helped you? Yeah, most likely, yeah, absolutely. Listen, everything involved, everybody got social media. So social media helps everything. I doubt if you see somebody out here on this level and they're not using social media to get there.

So I doubt it. Like, social media is very impactful, it's very significant to the culture today, to the world today. It's not going anywhere. It's going to evolve. And I love and respect technology. I honor it. It's needed.

And it just levels the playing field, man. It's like one big internet as well. It's like one big fucking internet. Everybody just dancing around. It's like one big fucking Fortnite game. And everybody's your own character. And you're just doing your shit, man. What was it like finding out in prison

that you were influencing so many artists that were up and coming? I was like, I don't even know how. I'm like, from what? So when I was trying to, like, put everybody on tip to my stuff, it was like they wasn't really grasping the concept. And it's like I kind of feel like they even doing it now a little bit with my, you know, with a couple of, with a recent project that was released,

meaning the purge. Listen My stuff It's gonna grow on you You can't help it Get over it If you love Max You love Max

You know what I'm saying It is what it is So Sometimes Sometimes people Be so Into my shit You know

It ticks off to other people Around it So I get a lot of haters But at the end of the day Man Listen I just keep pushing Keep putting out

quality product, keep working hard. Everybody know how hard I work, man. Everybody know how committed I am to this music thing. So I just want to give you our good stuff. I don't care if, I don't care about the numbers. You know what I'm saying? It's one good stuff out there. So that's kind of like what I'm going for in the end.

I want my shit to just be around forever. So it's kind of resembling what they did the first time. It was a late bloomer. My shit lasted My shit not even old So there's new batch of shit It's probably going to do the same thing It's probably going to take me out to tell him about 60

I'll take it Yeah you put it out when the people come It's like podcasting or content creation You just keep putting it out and people will come Man I take it man The way this is designed This is one big internet Anybody could do anything

Anything is for sale Anything can be like This is just It's just a beautiful world right now. I love it. What was it like raising your kids from prison? How hard was that? It was impossible.

You can't do it. You can give them stuff, but you're not there. It don't even feel the same. And I'm telling you firsthand. I've been with my kids every day since I've been out. It don't feel the same. Keep them around me every day. So you can't raise kids from prison.

You just can't. You can't call home and play daddy. It's not the same. You need to be there with them day to day. You need to fill them, see them, talk to them, hug them every day. So it's a whole do two different things. For me, raising kids from prison, it's impossible. Do you think it's possible to make up that time you lost?

with them? It's impossible. You just gonna take it one day at a time. You did your time. You was gone. Get over it. I'm home now. Let's read.

Let's reboot. We're gonna sit here worrying about coulda, woulda, woulda, how long I was gone. All right, let's get that out system now. Let's focus. We hear every day. Let's move forward. What about your parents?

How were they reacting to this long sentence and were they there for you? Listen, my dad, OG, he 85. And one of my promises to him was like, yo, I'm going to get out. I'm going to get out for you. I'm going to be out before us all over. I made it to him. He still here, pop hair, just up there the other day. Just saw Mama love yesterday.

I'm in tune with my parents. I'm in tune with my family every day. All my family, my brothers, my sisters, my cousins, my cousins, my cousins, my nieces, every day they around me. They packed in my motherfucking house right now. So clearly you're not serving life in prison. What happens?

How many years into your sentence, do you get your sentence reduced? And what was that like? I got back on ineffective, right? And just the, it just seemed like every time something that impacted my life that was helpful

or when I went back down the line and when they broke the case down, It was kind of heartbroken because I didn't think my lawyer had to. I was like, damn, niggas doing that shit to me. So that was kind of like another upset and heartbreaking moment. But I'm going to just say let down moment. But I just kept pushing, man. I ain't care.

It's like, all right, it is. Back to business. Let's focus up. Let's get back on it. Come on. No, no, don't sit here time to moat. About to get my time back. I still got to do nine years, but you know what?

I'm going to own it. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to stay healthy. I'm going to stay focused. I'm going to stay. When I get my opportunity, which was November 9th that just passed, I was ready. I was ready. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't, you see what I'm saying?

They gave me 75. When he gave it back to me to come home, I was ready. Now, imagine if I wasn't in there again. ready. If I wasn't in there working and planning, the strategizing, working now, reading, praying, I wouldn't have been ready. I was ready for. Right. We he won't. We want us. How much time did he reduce your sentence to? I copped out to a 20, 20 years with 85. So that's like 17 years and 10 months. What does the 85 mean? 85% of the actual, so once they vacated my original sentence, I had an option. I couldn't even

went back the trial to fight them or take a bid. And then the trial wasn't even guaranteed. That was if the judge decided he was going to give me a new trial. So I just copped out to my 20 years once I had the opportunity once they gave me a number. You know what I'm saying? The prosecutor was like, ah, this nigga, he came back and showed some shit. I'll give you 20. Them not thinking the OG nigga I am.

I took the motherfucker. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to do that. I got a little nine left. They got me out of Trenton, and I started doing my bid. Rawaway, Northern, I started breaking it down. You know what I'm saying? Because I got a number in there. I got daylight.

It's not all that bad. I'm like, damn, well, what? Be home at, I was like 38. I was like, damn, I could be home at 47. And I'm looking around to some of the guys in the jail. That's 40, 50, 50. I'm like, you know, a couple dudes look high at their age. I'm like, nah, look, I could, I could work better than that, nigga.

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Listen, the structure of Trenton is actually better because it's a single cell. You by yourself. But the mindset of the dudes in there, it's a difference between you being around 2,000 motherfuckers that's not going home or you're around

2,000 motherfuckers and all of them will go home eventually wherever it's 10 years left whatever it's 7 years left they all going home you around 2,000 niggas

none of them's niggas is leaving maybe one out out of the two maybe none of them niggas going nowhere these nings are 60 70 double life 50

70 all is there so the mindset of that group is going to be just totally off the whack these niggas

not think about nothing else but a small amount of you know what I'm saying they only got a small amount of things on their mind

fucking up some shit is one of them so that's it's a real thing you know what I'm saying it's like a real thin line with that shit. You around some niggas

that all day, every day these niggas can snap so you just got to be on your P's and Q it's dangerous. What was your favorite meal in prison whether it was a regular food or commissary? Well, I always had commissary. I always had...

I was doing the prison cookbook, by the way. You were making one? I was making a prison cookbook on health and wellness. I was going to show to show, you know, how to transcendent to the perfect convict. Like, that's where I was at, like, my last two years, where I was, like, waking up every day. My regiment was perfect.

You know what I'm saying? I was eating good. Had onions and peppers and eggs, real eggs. And I was eating real omelets. I was getting ready to come out. You know what I'm saying? And I was just getting my mindset ready. So I started writing.

doing journal on a prison cookbook on health and wellness and just how the things what to say the things that can get you in it's like you asking me these questions and I'm telling you like it would be like five things not to say to an inmate or to another convict you know what I'm saying these five things you never say these just that can get you stabbed you just won't say that it's just say that in that book you know what I'm saying this is five rules that can and get you through your first 10 years. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that.

That's what the book was going to be based on. It's going to have recipes in there. You know, have pictures of the meals I made throughout the years. The first meals I learned all the way up to the end, the meals that I still eat to this day from there. So I thought it would have been interesting. What was your favorite meal to cook? Spaghetti.

So I used to get the noodles on Wednesday. Right? And what I would do is I would stir fry like my sausage, my, my, my, my, my, my beef sausage and put my seafood in there and make like a like a stir-frile type of onions, peppers, clams, oysters. It would be like a seafood gumbo. I call it like a rendezvous, and I season it up, put my little honey on it. I whip it with the spaghetti, and then I throw the cheese on it, and then I throw it back in the thing, and like the shit grew up. And that shit used to come out so good, right?

We make, like, garlic bread. And my main story tell me, yo, that shit I think of going to restaurant, Bigelville. That's my bad thing. That shit could go in the restaurant, Bigel, so I got meals like that. You know what I'm saying? Because they used to love my shit. I definitely was a chef up north. I definitely was 100,000 percent chef up.

No. All right. What was the currency in New Jersey, like for, to pass? Like, we used macros and ramen noodles or stamps. That's always controversy, but, listen, commerce could be anything in jail. I don't want to jail with that shit, some of it was stamps. If long as the stamps rolled up, the stamps was golden.

Food, food always money. Cigarettes, always money. Canteen, cash. If you could get your hands on some real cash, Hey, listen, listen, man, a couple of my endeavors, I had a few hundred dollars bills on me. Man, you'd be surprised what you can get for real cash in that motherfucker. Man, they love some real cash in jail.

Did you have a hustle in there or was the music the only hustle? The only hustle I had was when I was working in the kitchen, I'm thinking like, when I went to Bayside or something, I was in like Bayside camp. So I used to bake I'm like a baker I tell you I'm into the food too I know you told me your dad cook

I used to bake these cakes bake brownies and shit like that and man listen that's the only time I didn't I never had I never sold drugs and nothing in jail that was like the only time people was actually coming to me

like hey hey man two dollars a slice I'm like all right well I can't help because they're buying the whole shit. I got to the point where I got to go up to them like,

yo, man, I'm baking, man, you want something? And I'll take order. What you want, three slides. You know what I'm saying? That's how that shit was. I was a baker. That's the only hustle I had, bro. Yeah, I made cheesecakes, $2 a slice, the non-baked cheesecake.

I can make cheesecake, man. With the creamer. With the creamer. Condensed milk and lemon juice. You have to lock it up. Oh, man. You got the egg. Yeah, I'm telling you whip it.

I'm with you, man. I think you got to put out the cookbook. That would be iconic. I think I want to put out this cookbook. Yeah, people would like it. It's like, listen, I'm giving you all the meals I've learned throughout prison. All the way up to the tuna fish hookup that I first started. Over the years, when I made it and you will see it,

I would, like, show you over the years how this is how I started. This is how it looks now. You know what we got to do just to get onions and peppers. What we got to do just to get eggs? How much, you know what I'm saying? All that shit was like a science. I was going, I was trying to give them that, go behind the scenes with it. Now, you mentioned you had a kid in prison.

How is that possible? You said I had a kid. I didn't have a kid in prison. Oh, you didn't have any kids in prison? I had all my kids before I came to jail. Oh, okay, gotcha. Did they have the trailers in New Jersey prison? No.

Okay. Just New York has the trailers? Those things are pretty cool. Listen, you ain't get no pussy in New Jersey unless you know a corrupt cop that won't give you some ass. There's a few of them in there. But there ain't no trailers out there.

You got to grind it out. Did you get married in prison? I got married last year to my wife. Congratulations. Thank you, yeah. That was like the ceremony inside prison? Yeah, man, because look, But my little baby was riding out.

So I was like, all right, let me put some things in perspective now before I even get the way I'm in. I'm not going to wait to the back end. I like to get ahead of the curve. So I just lock my shit in fast. But I'm straight, though. This ain't my first ride. I know what's going on out here. What do you think was the biggest lesson prison taught you doing 16 years?

What's the one takeaway? Anything could happen. Like your life could fuck up like that. anything can happen in any given time. You can't get complacent on nothing. Just when you think shit is going right, shit can go to shit. So you got to just be on point.

Don't never get complacent and don't take nothing for granted. And you start taking this shit for granted, you end up back in that, motherfucker. And you got the wrong people around you. That's some other shit I learned, the type of guys to keep around. You know what I'm saying?

You look like you got a good team now. I got a team that won it, but it took a long time getting there. A lot of vetting, a lot of, a lot of, fired a lot of my fuckers. You know what I'm saying? You got to go through a lot of shit to get to where you at. So my team now sturdy, they solid, and we're working. We get shit done.

Now that night before you get released after that much time, what's going through your mind? Can you even sleep? Because I know in my situation, I was up all night. I slept like a fucking baby. I really didn't want to get up. They came and it got me like five in the fucking morning because it was too crazy outside.

He like, he came and got me. He popped my door. Usually the guy's going home leave like 9 o'clock, 10 maybe in the morning. That motherfucker popped my door at 5. He said, man, you got to go. They want you out of here now. I was like, all right, the fuck. I'm like, hell yeah, get me out of here.

That was it. They woke me out. Man, I slept good, though. man, I took two bennies, two bennie drills. I woke up with a door open, go home. What was it like that first day out? It was just like an adrenaline rush. But it wasn't, the moment wasn't bigger than,

I wasn't letting the moment get too big. I knew it had to be done. It was, it was all about getting, getting the work, getting focused. That's kind of where my mindset was at. I didn't want to celebrate too long. My first day out, I saw everything. I saw it was like, all right, it's cool.

Ain't no handouts. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody come to lay no big bags of money on me. I had to come out here and work. So I was loving it, though. I was appreciating it. It kept me hungry. What was your first meal?

What did you eat that, that? Well, he fucked up some McDonald's. That's what you ate? I think I fucked some Mickey D's up on that first meal. I ain't going to lie. Then we went to the jet game and ate kind of exotic. I saw the photos, yeah. Yeah, the Jet Game had some great food.

It was some great food at the Jet Game. Shout to my Jets. I had a wonderful time there. But before that, man, I think we ate some bullshit, right? Just to get my shit out the sand? I had to break my virginity. I had to eat some bullshit. I ate a Big Mac with some fries.

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Find Starbucks Papua Cappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. It felt like I was right at home. It felt like I was right at home. What's the hardest adjustment since being home? I'm a newlywed, so I'd be just trying to find time for work, my wife, and my kids. That's like the only three things I'm trying to really balance right. now, bro. And my wife a little younger than me.

So, you know, she'd be holding me accountable. But I'd be trying to just balance the three. Them three right there is enough. Between my kids, I'm telling you, my kids in my house, right? I got two right there. The other two at the house. All right? These little motherfuckers is crazy.

I got with me all day or anything. But I don't be wanting nothing else around. Like, I'll be wanting the kid. That's kind of like to answer your question from before. You can't make up the time, but you can make new time. You can make new memories. You can make new moments. Shout to my youngest boy.

His birthday was yesterday. I took him out with me on the road. You know what I'm saying? Brought him on stage. Just let him see it. He's see it anyway. He'll DJ. He do his own parties and shit.

This little niggas lit. But just to have him around. around me and my world for, you know, for, it was kind of priceless yesterday. I had a beautiful time. What's one thing you want to make up for or accomplish that you weren't able to do those 16 years? Man, listen, let me tell you something. I used to be dreaming about, like, taking my boy to get his first hair cut, shit like

that when he was little, you know, like when your dad brought you to the barbershop. I remember my dad used to bring him to the barbershop. So, Barber came to the studio like a couple weeks ago, gave him his hair cut, cut his little dreds off and shit. That was just like a proud moment for me right there. That was kind of like priceless. I thought that made up for all the years right there. You know what I'm saying?

So it felt just as good. And I never thought I would feel that feel. Sometimes we think we're not going to feel that feel. You think you'll never see something again or you'll never feel. That's not true Like when God got something for you He'll restore it And you're tenfold

I never thought I would Feel that fail My little boy getting a haircut And I'm telling them calm down It felt the same Just watching them get that cut So I'm very appreciative of that Very

Just can't take nothing for granted, man That's it You got to grind this shit out Every day You can't complain You got to get up every day and do the same thing over and over and over. What's next for you? What do you want to do?

I just want to be more. I want to just tap into my creativity on content levels. I just haven't sat down with it yet because I still love music. I still love making music. I know once I go into this, that's going to be the locking. But right now, we still making, I still love my shit. I'm still giving y'all some stuff. So I'm not ready, ready to make any transitions yet.

But if shit, man, they come lay a script on me or something. They want me to play in the movie or something, man. Man, listen, man, y'all want me to dress up like a fireman or a cop? Like, I'm with all that shit, man. I go read some scripts. You know what I'm saying? I just want to work, man. Be creative, man.

and spend time on my baby that's all I want to do What advice would you tell your teenage self If you could sit across from him today Before you ever got in trouble I tell him like yo Just be patient It's gonna come

Don't rush it That's why I be telling my boy I'm like look Don't think Because you know as teenagers You know we be thinking Teenagers think it's like always the end of the world And shit right

I'll be just telling him like, yo, you're looking at this shit all wrong. This house money you playing with. These youth years is house money. You're supposed to be soaking this shit up like a sponge. Your brain ain't even fucking developed yet. Why not let it develop, but you just soaking up good information? So by the time your shit get, man, you could be so in tune. I could retire early.

Hey, man, I don't want to run this shit no more. Here, you do it. You know what's going on. Like, so I just tell them, you know, just stay focused and don't take nothing for granted. Utilize your youth years. Use them. Use your moms and pops. Man, I wish my moms and pops had fucking money back in the days.

You know what I'm saying? I wish I could, we could afford certain shit. I would have loved that. You know what I'm saying? but we grew up how we grew up. You know what I'm saying? So it is what it is. Well, Max, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man.

This was a great conversation. It means a world that you took the time to do this. Listen, man. And I'm tired as hell. But me as a professional and how much I respect the game and what I do for a living, I'm only going to just give you my all. So if I got to come out here and do it,

I got to, you don't even make a day. It was an honor and a pleasure to be here. And you got a nice setup. Well, hopefully we can continue our relationship and we're here if you ever need anything. Listen, man, thank you for having me. Bless you.