Locked In with Ian Bick - My Daughter Was Taken by a Cult — I Tried to Save Her & Ended Up in a Polish Prison | Iain Bryson

Episode Date: March 23, 2026

Iain Bryson shares the heartbreaking true story of how his life was shattered when his three-year-old daughter was taken to Poland by her mother and never returned. In this episode of Locked In with Ian Bick, Iain explains how he unknowingly married into a family he later believed operated like a cult, and how warnings about his daughter being taken eventually became reality. After authorities and international agencies failed to act, Iain traveled to Poland in a desperate attempt to expose what he believed was abuse and trafficking — a decision that ultimately landed him in a Polish prison for 50 months. _____________________________________________ #cultstory #prisontime #truecrime #prisonstory #lockedup #cultsurvivor #prisonexperience #ianbick _____________________________________________ Thank you to Married By The Mob for sponsoring this episode! Visit https://www.marriedbythemob.com/ for tickets! _____________________________________________ Buy Iain's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Love-You-Like-One-Daughter-ebook/dp/B0CYW6XLJT/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=mFPa0&content-id=amzn1.sym.3a079c4e-f938-40c9-a0ed-01ef0e9528e9&pf_rd_p=3a079c4e-f938-40c9-a0ed-01ef0e9528e9&pf_rd_r=146-4590805-2145945&pd_rd_wg=CMgCY&pd_rd_r=d74aa1d8-b984-4ce1-a2d4-597f1415c94c _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Thrown Into a Polish Prison — What Happened 00:30 Ian Bryson’s Story — From Father to Prisoner 01:02 Early Life & Upbringing 02:56 College, Career Goals & Future Plans 04:57 Marriage, Life Changes & Red Flags 06:27 Moving to Poland — Warning Signs 07:40 Marriage Struggles & Mental Health Issues 09:47 Becoming a Father & Family Life 10:55 Signs of Abuse — Something Was Wrong 13:00 Separation & Daughter Taken by a Cult 14:47 Desperate Search for Help 17:18 Running Out of Options 18:36 Plan to Rescue His Daughter 20:58 Confrontation in Poland — Everything Changes 23:34 Arrested in Poland & Harsh Jail Conditions 27:41 Language Barrier & Legal Confusion 29:49 First Months Inside a Polish Prison 31:36 Daily Life in Polish Prison 34:05 Cellmates, Survival & Prison Culture 37:22 Learning Polish & Adapting 40:43 Polish Court System & Trial Process 45:14 Psychiatrists, Charges & Mental Evaluations 49:07 Sent to a Psychiatric Hospital 51:41 Forced Medication & Losing Control 54:31 Transfer From Max to Minimum Security 58:28 Prison Hustles, Guards & Survival Tactics 01:04:44 Release From Prison & Starting Over 01:09:03 Fighting to Regain Parental Rights 01:14:08 Finding Purpose & Advocacy Work 01:18:54 Writing the Book & Sharing His Story 01:24:01 Contact With Family & Daughter Updates 01:27:18 The Bigger Fight Against Abuse 01:33:02 Life After Prison — Reflections & Purpose Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Just like the conditions were horrible. They brought me before the judge. The judge was in the court where my father-in-law's best friend is also a judge. I asked for a change of venue. They didn't give it to me. It was like, the whole reason I'm here is because I've been trying to get the child abuse investigation. No one's listening to me. I need a child abuse investigation.

The judge is like, well, that's something else. I'm not going to do that, but we're going to charge you with attempted murder. And so then from there, I went to prison. Imagine finding out your young daughter, has been taken overseas and you may never see her again. That's exactly what happened to Ian Bryson. What started as a desperate mission to rescue his child from what he believes was a cult turned into a nightmare that landed him locked inside a prison in Poland for over four years.

In this episode, Ian breaks down how his daughter was taken, the dangerous journey he went on to try to get her back, and what it was really like surviving a foreign prison while fighting to expose the truth. Where'd you grow up? In Oregon, up until my sophomore year of high school, we had a ranch. I had horse, and we were just out in the middle of nowhere in Oregon. Sophomore year in high school, we moved to Mystic, Connecticut. And that's where I went to high school in Groton, Connecticut.

I went to University of Connecticut after that. What was your upbringing? Like, what did your parents do for work? My dad was a builder, like a general contractor. So he would either be like fixing houses or building houses or flipping houses. My mom, when I was really young, was a nurse. And then she was a stay at home mom like through through the school years. And it was like my childhood was, I mean, for me it was normal, of course.

But I think like I think it was good. I got what I needed to get to be a successful adult. My parents ensured that I had a good quality education. And, you know, for the most part, there was. it was a good home, loving the home, and they supported us. They gave us what we needed to be successful. How do you have described yourself back then? Back when I was a kid? Yeah. I think I was kind of like a little bit crazy in that like I would be just do things that other people would do without thinking. Like I was kind of out of the box. I was a good student.

Like I knew that I was supposed to do my best. That's when my mom drilled into me. But I had no idea what I was doing. I was just kind of going through life like we do and didn't know where I was going, what I was doing. I was just trying to do my best. I just enjoyed like live music, books, girls, and marijuana. That's what I enjoyed as like a youth.

And did you graduate, go off to college? Yeah, I graduated from. Fitching Groton and then I went to University of Connecticut in stores. When I went, I thought I was going to be a doctor at first. And I got there. And first of all, like the classes for science were about a 40-minute walk. And I wasn't going to do that. So I failed out my freshman year, got right back in, but changed my major to social sciences.

Just, you know, just realized more of who I was and what my strength. ranks were and it took me, took me more than four years to get my bachelor's degree. And that's in sociology and criminal justice. And then I just went back to get my master's in political science, thinking that I would use that to kind of catapult me into a top 10 law school. That's where I was at. Get the masters in law and then try to get into a top 10 law school.

Wow, that's interesting that you had the criminal justice background, too. A little ironic in a way. It is interesting. I think like our inner selves or our souls or whatever you want to call, like know more about us than we do as we're going. You know, like the choices we make are preparing us for things we don't know are coming yet. But yeah, like I worked in the court. I was offered a job as a probation officer. Turned it down because I thought I was going to go to law school.

And I wanted to, like I didn't want to just be a lawyer and bill. bill and make money. I wanted to be a lawyer and like fight for justice and, and help people who are wrongfully accused, things like that. I think a lot of, a lot of young people, when they get into law, that's what they want to do. And then they hit the real world. But that's, that was where my heart was.

Get the education so I can, so I can fight for people that, that need it. And then, but I never got there. What happens? Tell us. So I got my master's degree in political science, 2003. And after that, I went on a like a walkabout in Australia for a month or month and a half by myself, came back. And I was just, I was in Norwich, Connecticut in an apartment that my dad owned. I was just kind of like doing nothing, like waiting, waiting for something to kind of spark my interest.

I was looking at law schools, but I wasn't, I wasn't like ready to pull the trigger. And then my, a friend who lived a couple blocks away called me up and said, there's some Polish people here. Come over and check them out. So I drove, drove my car, my Ford probe over, got out of the car, locked eyes with the woman who was going to be my first wife. And like immediately, like I, it was like a fairy tale. I knew she was going to be my wife. And she had a boyfriend. So like, it was, it was strange, but she didn't care.

didn't care. It was almost like, like a setup. Like, here's your wife and you know immediately. And then she moved in with me. She took off a plastic finger off of her, a ring off her finger and said, ask me to marry you and I did. And immediately, like I knew from, from the first couple weeks we were dating that there were issues with her. And in my, like, I journaled a lot and I wrote like, maybe incest, maybe a borderline personality disorder, some kind of. kind of trauma. But like once I committed, it was just, this is my woman, whatever it is, I'm good with it. And we're just going to figure it out. Um, we had to go back to Poland because her, her, um, three month work visa ran out. And we had to go back to get a fiance visa.

And when, one, so I lived in Poland while we were waiting for this fiance visa, got to know her family. And it was strange. Like her, a lot of, um, a lot of, um, um, was. Um, she was a lot of, um, of alcoholism. Um, like the one of the first things her dad said to me was I like young boobies. And it was just like weird stuff, but, but my wife, my fiancee was the only one that was speaking to me in English. The rest of the people were all speaking in Polish. So I was getting all of my information from one person.

And it was strange, but I just kind of chalked it up as this is my weird Polish family, you know, and, and never went to like what it, what it could be or what the sign were saying based on all of the information. So we got it. We got our fiance visa, moved back to Connecticut, got married in July 2005, and the cycles with my wife kept happening. Like it was like she would love me and then she would hate me. Love me and then hate me.

And I, I never knew what was going on. Like I thought it was trauma. But living it, it was like, I just got to survive. get from the I hate you back to the I love you and you know as a young man I just I wanted sex with my wife I wanted her to like not be weird and I didn't really think much deeper than that so I was trying to pay the bills I was you know I was trying to figure out who I am and what I'm doing and just didn't really have time to like focus on that 100% ever and when she was not well it really swept my feet out from under me and I had a panic disorder. I was diagnosed with panic disorder. I was diagnosed

with severe depression to the point where I would like be standing for train and want to dive into the train just to put out that fire. And it was from living with this woman who was just cold one day, hot the next day. And I never knew what was what was what. Our daughter was born in New London in 2007. And then my her mother wanted to move to Europe to be closer to her family um and I was just young and naive my dad said don't don't move your family to Europe and I was just like whatever you know not going to take any advice from you um and she convinced me like it'll be an adventure we'll live in the Netherlands which the Netherlands is a cool place to live and it was 2008 so the euro was double

the dollar at that time. So I was like, yeah, let's go. As soon as we get over there, her dad's visiting us all the time. And we're visiting Poland all the time. And I just see more and more of the cycles. And as my daughter gets older and like when my daughter was like zero to one, you know, like I think as a father, you have a relationship. But when they get two and three, they start talking to you, then it becomes like, it becomes real. And you start, start to like really know this person. And my daughter would go visit or, or have a visit from her grandfather and be different and be,

have trauma, trauma responses that like, I couldn't, I couldn't fathom that my daughter could be being abused first of all, or that anyone could love my daughter differently than I did. Because to me, she was just the reason for everything. Um,

or that my wife could be involved in the abuse of our daughter. Like those, it just like created this block in my mind. mind where I couldn't see any I couldn't see it even though it was right in front of me. And so these cycles kept happening. My daughter kept coming back from Poland with bruises and screaming about her pee-p and talking about her grandfather's private parts and just like every sign that I should have seen and should have acted on.

But I was trusting my wife. And it's just like to jump to that would have changed my world. And I couldn't, I didn't make the. jump and I think a lot of people don't. So we decided to move our family back to the United States. We applied for my wife's visa because even though she had a green card before, when she left the United States, she couldn't return until she got more paperwork from the embassy. Now that's changed. Poland now doesn't have to have visas to enter the U.S. but so we applied for her visa. I went to Connecticut to work and look for a place to live. And I said,

sent them back to Poland. And like we were on top of the world. I was, we were dancing, like cooking together, reading, like everything that a happy family does. I thought all that other stuff was behind us.

And, and I thought I could write a book about, like, having a happy family and happy wife. And, and so I was in Connecticut, like, getting things ready.

And I could see, I could see my wife, like, falling apart. But I still, I didn't know what I was, was dealing with. So I just figured she's going to be weaker when I'm not there. And when we're back together, we'll, we'll pick it up again. I could see that, but she was, she was saying the, I love you, you're my world every day while we're apart. And like, there were signs, but I was

just doing my own thing in Connecticut. She's in Connecticut or in Poland. And for three months, that's what we did. And then we met back up in the Hague at our apartment. And as soon as I saw them, It was almost like a dark cloud was over them. I could see that something was wrong. And then we went upstairs and I tried to give her a kiss. And she like jumped away like I touched her with a hot iron and said, I hate you. I've always hated you. And I'm taking our daughter back to Poland.

My family's a cult, taking her back because of mind control. She said I have Stockholm syndrome. And she said she said that her dad created a red herring so that no one would believe me or help me. And like, and this wasn't all like in one sentence. This was over the, over the course of the first couple days we were together. But I was just like, first of all, what are you talking about? You sound crazy. You need help. And second of all, like I've seen this before. You're not, you're not fooling me. We need to get help. Something's going on. Now let's get help. And I begged her for three weeks to get help. Every day, I tried to think of logical arguments.

You know, we know something happened in your childhood. You say it's nothing. We should go see if it's something and what it is, you know, or just trying to convince her to get help and she wouldn't. She just kept saying, I am taking our daughter back to Poland. You know, there's nothing you can do about it. My dad created a red herring and no one's going to believe you. And I'm just like, you're full of it.

Let's, you know. And so I was taking care of my daughter during this time and just trying to hold my household together as much as possible, while I figured out what was going on. Two days after Christmas, so we were together about 20 days after our separation. And two days after Christmas, I spent all day out with my daughter playing in the snow. We went home for dinner, and my wife was waiting at the top of the stairs, ready to go for the first time since we got back. And so my, my alarm went off and I just thought like, no, like you want to go, but you also have been threatening to take our daughter and you have her passport.

So I held her off for an hour or so and got our daughter on the couch. We were watching our favorite movie. And then she broke me down and convinced me. And I watched her, well, she had her daughter give me a hug. And then I watched her go down the stairs and my wife follow her and I never saw my daughter again. Um, like when they left, I felt great about it. Like my wife, like, tricked me into like releasing my grip and in my fear. And I like looked at her and thought, yeah, you're beautiful.

Maybe you'll love me soon. Um, you know, I love you guys. I'll see you soon and just no fear whatsoever. Then I called my best friend because they were gone. I'm like, hey, Brian, it's happening again. She's, she's lost it. I don't know what to do. And like, while I'm telling him this,

it just hit me that what she was telling me is happening and they're gone. So, like, I hung up with him, um, ran around my house looking for signs and like my daughter's blanket wasn't there. So I'm like, well, they didn't go to the library. So I sprinted to the police department. Uh, the library was around the corner. So I went there first. Library was closed.

Went to the police department and just said, my daughter's going back, bring, being brought back to Poland. she's being abused in Poland, stop, stop them from leaving the Netherlands now. And that's, the Dutch police wouldn't even take a report. They just, they looked at me and they said, well, you should have been more careful. What do you want us to do? And like, I'm just like freaking out, like absolutely freaking out. My, my daughter who is like, it's like you took my heart out of my chest.

And I'm trying to stop this from leaving the Netherlands. which is a reasonable country, going to Poland, which is not a reasonable country. And I, yeah, so I went to the police several more times. They would never help me or take a report. The U.S. Embassy, because my daughter was born in Connecticut, told me that it was out of their jurisdiction. Nothing they could do. One duty officer recommend I re-abduct my daughter.

And I remember this phone call with him. I'm at my computer in our apartment looking out the window, and I just have this way. wave come over me like I'm in some kind of crazy movie. Like this US, U.S. official is telling me in the Netherlands to, if I see my daughter to get her and bring her to the embassy,

I'm like, what, what would that look like? You know, like, she's, she's three, so she's going to be with somebody. So I'm probably going to have to, like, push them down and take their phone and then run in the city. I don't even know. Like, I, it just blew my mind. But it was, I never saw, my daughter again so I never got the chance to do that. I tried for four months to get help and I I went

like every day like I at first I was just like passing out and waking up and going back to work and after time you know I wasn't doing that but every day was writing letters to human trafficking organizations and child protection organizations and and the United States and Poland and the Netherlands nobody would give me the time of the day. It was like nobody's job. And so like I really tried for four months. I filed the application with the Secretary of State because under the Hague Treaty, which is a treaty with many, many countries,

you can't take a child from their place of residence to another country. And that's exactly what happened. So, but the Secretary of State told me it would be two years. And I was like, two years, like, well, I can't wait two more days. Like, I've already waited four months. So I just, like, it came down to they're telling me two years. No one's helping. I've hit all the bases I could.

And so I'm going to go and force them to do a child abuse investigation. I'm going to, I'm going to put myself in their face and say, look, you need to evaluate with my daughter. And that's what I believed would happen. But it didn't happen. Like I didn't know what to do. I had no family support. I had no money. I didn't speak Polish. And no one was listening to me. So I figured I would just go get arrested. And that would give me a platform. And they're going to listen to me. And from there, they're Bonjour, compadre. It's the price line negotiator. How do I negotiate so many great travel deals? My greatest gadget. The price line app. It's got

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I tried to say, let's go see a psychologist, a therapist, let's deal with this here. But I also knew what she had been telling me. Like, I'm taking her to a cult. And so, like, I was trying to play both sides of it. I knew what was happening because she told me, but I was trying to communicate with her and, like, hope that she was listening or could hear me.

But yeah, no, I, when I watched, watch them walk down the stairs, I never had any, like, phone communication with her. It was just me saying, please let's meet, please let's get help.

When you look back on it now, why do you really think you let them leave that day? I think she was like a form of, like seduction, kind of like, she, she was able to use her, her gifts as my wife and, like,

knowing me and knowing how to, like, move my mind from, from the problem to looking at her legs, for example. And she just, it took a while because I was like hard. I was hard. I was like, no, for three weeks you've been saying you're doing this. You have her passport. I've been trying to get a psychologist to contact you.

I've even thought about having you involuntarily committed. I went to the police prior to like during these three weeks. And that's, I don't go to the police. I went to the police because I was terrified. And she just kept coming at me and like, you need to support me. I want to go to the store with our daughter and then it turned into the library. And by the time I said, yes, I had just totally released it. And there was not a fear in my mind until I was talking to my friend and it hit me again.

So what plan do you end up putting into action? So when I was, when I was going to go to Poland? Yeah. So like my, my wife had told me and I had been to her grandfather's vacation house. And like she, she like screamed, it's Cherkovo in Poland. And she screamed, Cherkovo, Sherkovo to me during this three weeks. And it didn't make sense, but I was like, something's going on there. So I had direction.

It was MapQuest printed out. I had MapQuest directions. I bought a compass. I bought a, like binoculars. I was ready to go there and like scope it out and like get my daughter in the car and get her over the Polish border into Germany to the Berlin embassy. So that was one option. The other option was like my father-in-law's apartment in Stargard, Poland, just go there and maybe take her off the street there and it'd be like an hour drive to get to Berlin. So I had those directions too.

And I'm like when I'm driving through Germany, because I flew to Amsterdam, rented a car on a prepaid visa card. So there's like 300 bucks on the card. They gave me a car. I'm driving across Germany. And I'm just like, there's no way I can get my now four year old daughter into a car in Poland in broad daylight and an hour across an international border. Like that just, even though the whole situation was crazy and whatever I was going to do is going to be crazy. It's like that, that seems ridiculous. Plus, I'm involving my daughter in this.

And, you know, maybe they're going to like chase us and who knows. And I didn't want that. And I, like, I was also thinking about the possibility of killing my father-in-law. Like, ethically and morally, I had run, run it through. And like, if someone comes into my house and threatens my child or my wife, I'll shoot them, right? like if it's their life. So what's the difference if it's a few months later? And like I know this guy's hurting my daughter.

I know he abducted her. So why wouldn't I take him out? So like I'm driving across Germany. I stopped at a gas station. And like I'm not thinking I'm going to kill him, but I'm like I'm not crossing it off my list either. So like there's knives on the wall. I check him out.

They're not a lock blade. So I'm like, no, that won't work. And right next to it's a used hammer. And I'm like, all right, I'll grab the used hammer, I guess. And I just, I didn't, I didn't know what I was doing. I was just going to Poland and they were going to listen to me. And I wasn't against killing him. But I, but I, I really didn't want to.

And like in my, I was journaling along the way and I'm like, what the heck? Like I, why do I have to make these kinds of decisions? So I get to Poland and I'm like, my father-in-law is a severe alcoholic. Every morning he comes out to throw away his beer cans. I can count on that. The rest of it with my daughter. Like I'm not, I'm not going to involve my daughter.

I'm just going to wait when he comes out for his beer cans. I'll do something. I don't know what it's going to be yet. And it, like I, so I parked and waited. And for, I don't even know how long. Like it, it was, I, and I'm like, before I left the United States to go to Poland, I bought like clothes to make me look more Polish.

I, uh, I, uh, I, I, uh, I bought, hair dye and I was gonna dye my hair. I tried to in a like a grocery store parking lot, but it was gonna be too hard. So I gave up that. I'm sitting in my little Renault Twingo, like getting ready for this guy to come out and like I'd still last place I want to be, but he stole my daughter four months ago. He comes out and I see it's him. I start my car and I drive my car like towards him and around him. smash the car into a brick wall, which blocks his egress back into his apartment complex.

And like, this is, it all kind of happened automatically. Like I set it up, but then like when it happened, I didn't know what I was doing. Like, it's just like, all right. When I, I planned, when I see him, I'm going to start the car. And then it just kind of happened. So I crashed the car. The car's totaled. The airbags in my face.

And then I just, I reached behind me and grab the hammer. step out of the car and like he squeals and realizes it's me and starts to run down the street and I like pump fake the hammer and chase him and like it just it's surreal right like I can like see myself from above and I'm laughing at myself for doing this and for that it's come to this but like what what else am I you think I'm just going to lay down and roll over because you take my daughter or after you take my daughter no so I chase him down the road and he he he falls down, like, kind of like almost like he gave up. But he fall, he falls down. He's on the ground, just like sitting on the ground. And I switched the hammer to my left hand. And I had already

put my wife's wedding ring on my right hand so that I could punch him with my right hand and hit him with the wedding ring. Um, so I'd switch the hammer and just hit him in the, in the, head. Um, didn't really get any clean hits. And I wasn't, I wasn't angry. It wasn't like I'm trying to destroy you. It was just like, I'm going, I'm going to get, I'm going to be heard. I'm going to be heard. And this is kind of fun to involve you in this because you are hurting my daughter. Um, I, I punched him like five times or so. And, uh, then I just, we just kind of tied up and waited. And they came and handcuffed me. And I, I stood tall and thought, it won't be long now, you know, won't be long before I'm back with my daughter and all this is sorted out. And, um, I,

And that wasn't the case. They they put me in a jail for two, two nights. And, you know, like, I had never been in jail for two nights before. There was no toilet, no toilet paper. So like, it was just like the conditions were horrible. They brought me before the judge. And the judge was in the court where my father-in-law's best friend is also a judge. I asked for a change of venue.

They didn't give it to me. And I just, it was like, the whole reason. I'm here is because I've been trying to get the child abuse investigation. No one's listening to me. I need a child abuse investigation. The judge is like, well, that's something else. I'm not going to do that, but we're going to charge you with attempted murder. And so then from there, I went to prison. Hey, everyone in the Providence in Boston area, if you're looking for a fun night out, you've got to check this out. Renee Graziano, star of mob wives, is coming to Swansea, Massachusetts on April 18th for a brand-new immersive theater experience called Married by the Mob. This isn't your typical show. The audience

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What's going on? So for this judge, there was no lawyer. No one was speaking English. Did you understand it? I didn't understand it. Was there a translator for you? After the fact someone would, they would, someone, someone would translate the paperwork into English and I'd get it later. Wow, that's got to be scary sitting there not, like the judge is saying a bunch of stuff and you have no idea and then they haul you out of the courtroom.

It was, it was like, I wasn't, I wasn't too scared at the time because I really expected to meet, to run into people who like were wise or who would like care that a father was so desperate for his daughter. but like so I was kind of like not scared because of that if I if I went into it knowing what I'm knowing now then I would be scared in the sense like these people are I would know now they're not going to help me and they don't care but I thought they cared I thought they would help me and so I was just like I was learning a tough lesson every step of the way and when this guy said no change of venue attempted murder and then then I got shipped off to prison like I didn't I didn't know what that meant or like you know i thought i didn't have i didn't have anyone speaking english to me i didn't have any family helping me it was just they just brought me in a police car to prison

the cop was making fun of me and being like oh you're gonna do 25 years and i'm like i don't i don't care like do you do you love anyone because like i love those two girls and i would i would go to the electric chair right now just for an evaluation by someone that's qualified like it's not about me like I'm I'm here for those girls but so I had the conversation with the cop he brought me into the prison and um like the prison guard he knew my story a little bit and he shook my hand and said this is polska this is not USA and just like kind of like bringing me down from like what you thought this was going to be this isn't going to be um but at the same time like shaking my hand and patting me on the back kind of like made me feel like I wasn't

alone too so I like I felt like all right this guy gets it even though the system is screwed um you know he took me to the magazine place where like they have the bedding in the plastic utensils and they were smoking tobacco out of like glass pipes look look like crack pipes to me um and like all the guys were toothless and I'm just like where the hell am I um So I get all my stuff. It brings me to my cell. It just opens the door. I walk in, close the door.

And there's no bars. These are solid walls. There's seven guys total in this room. And you just close the door and that's it. Like, I didn't get out of that cell for months after that. What's in the cell? So there's a bunk bed with three bunk beds, then a bunk bed with two and then another one with two. And that toilet?

And then so there's a, there's a table in the middle, which is like enough for everyone to sit around and eat lunch or something or play cards. A sink with cold water and then a door with a toilet inside. No shower? No shower. You don't shower for months? They give you five minutes of hot water per week. How? How do they bring you the hot water?

So the guard, the guard comes and brings the whole cell to the shower area. because like so for 19 months I was in pretrial on 23 hour per day lockdown and so they don't let you have any communication with anyone else in the prison they don't let you use a phone any letter that I wrote had to be interpreted or translated so it took months for me to send a letter and and it was like they could keep you for up to two years pre-trial without like a reason or offering you bail just like they say like in my case we think you're going to go to the u.s if we let you go or um and you just get a letter every three months saying another three months another three months um and they would give you five five minutes of hot water per week uh one roll a toilet paper per month one razor per month which

we were allowed to have in the cells so like we could technically make weapons if we wanted to um and then they brought like cleaning supplies to the cells and all of the meals rolled a cart by our door and we got our meals in the cells. What kind of food was it? So it was something I had to get used to, like a lot of mystery meat. And like now I love it. It's like part of Polish cuisine, but like tubs of, it's patte in English, like liver and just, but like all kinds of different variations of mystery meat.

So you get it in a tube, you get it in a tin, you get it in a block. And like at first, I'm just like, man, like, what is this? Like how, like, we don't eat this. And then like, they don't feed you well. You're always hungry unless you have like help coming in. So like I would, I loved the mystery meat and I loved like the little get like little little tiny fish or even pasta with like chicken hearts on it. So like every day you'd get like fresh bread was they that was good.

There was a bakery and they made fresh bread. get fresh bread with butter. And then for lunch, you'd get soup and usually some like potato, potato dish or something. And then for dinner, dinner and breakfast were like the same. And then you'd get like a can of mystery meat and you'd have to like split it into three, make a Mercedes sign. Split it into three. And it was just like you never had enough. Well, I could, I love the mystery meat now.

Now these guys in the cell, what's their reaction to you when you? got put in there. So initially, like, I think they just thought it was kind of cool and interesting. Like, you got, we got an American. And like, the guy who spoke English best in the cell, you know, became my best friend. And it, but it was just broken English. But there was, there was always, like, I was well taken care of. And I, like, I think that's because, like, they felt bad that I came to their country and this was happening to me because I was very open about my story. And but also like some of the best people I've met in my life have been Polish people. And I think like the people that I met while locked up, I know the best out of some

out of the people that I've met because you're you're confined with this person and you can't hide and you communicate and you build a relationship you can't build. Like or not that you can't build, but it's harder to build on the outside. But so people took care of me. Like there were there was very very little time during the 19 months of pretrial where I didn't have like extra food and extra tobacco and extra coffee. Like people were just like what's mine is yours. And like that was pretty much the case for my whole that whole time. And I was lucky.

Do they speak English the guys in yourself? Not not really. How would you communicate with them? So it was a lot of like sort of some broken English. and then I learned how to like listen to Polish and pick out like kind of get the gist of it or like I thought I got the gist of it but I could I could have a conversation in Polish and like shake my head yes yes no you know because people when they're talking a lot of times they just want to talk and like and it's just about like the signs of when they stop and when they want to yes when they want to know so like

that's kind of how it was at first it was just like it was like I was a baby and I was watching their mouths move and I was like learning different words as we went but I didn't I didn't understand anything you know it was it was really hard and then like just time and playing cards I learned how to count by playing cards people people would teach me things here and there I learned all the bad words first of course and then it became a necessity for me to learn Polish A lot of it was like they thought I was stupid. Like when you can't communicate, you people just think whatever they're going to think and they think you're stupid. So I learned Polish out of absolute necessity, not right away, of course.

Did you get to understand what those guys were in there for, the guys in yourself? Yeah. So there were people in there for murder. one guy of from my first cell, Vichick, he like hit someone with an ashtray in a bar. There was a guy in there for possession of marijuana. And like a couple grams. And in Poland, it's treated the same as heroin.

There was a guy in there who got in a car accident with his pregnant girlfriend and she died. And they tested his blood and it had marijuana in it. And so even though like he might not have been intoxicated in Poland. Poland if it's in your blood, you're doing 10 years. So that's what he was doing. And then there were just people like, I met people like who had one, one guy was a banker. He was like one of my best friends. And he told me that like the government was looking at him because of his transactions.

And like they were, they looked weird to the government. And he said he didn't do anything wrong, but they were trying to sort it out. So this, this guy was awesome. Like his wife brought me clothes and books and we're still friends. but it's just like to get we kind of all got caught up in the same not all of us some people should be there maybe or deserved more than others to be there but um like just kind of this same like nonsense trap where like many of us shouldn't be there but just how the world works we ended up there um it's just like they're just regular guys you know like i i and a lot of

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Like, I could have done that. How old are you at that point? Early 30s. Early 30, 32, 33. And what year is this? 2011, I was arrested. Now, how long is it take for a lawyer to come if a lawyer ever comes? So, like, when I, when I,

When I first got arrested, I wrote my parents a letter. And I said, all right, now you guys need to get me a lawyer. Because I'd been asking them this whole time for help. I thought, now they're going to help me. They're going to get me a lawyer. I didn't see a lawyer for, I think I saw the lawyer after nine months incarcerated. So you don't talk to anyone. Nobody.

That's crazy. So no one from the embassy, nothing. The embassy visited after maybe six months. So what do they have to notify the embassy that they have an American lot? Yeah. Okay. But so the embassy came. And I thought, like, I was excited.

The embassy was there. She brought me a bag of candy and, like, a used pencil. And I'm like, all right, the interpreter that gave me doesn't understand me. My daughter is an American citizen. And they're just like, no, we can't help you. Like, you're arrested in Poland. You've got to go through the criminal justice system. If they're not, like, violating your human rights, there's nothing we can do.

And like, so the embassy gave me the candy and the used pencil. and went back to the embassy. I think this is my worst nightmare, you know, just being locked up and forgotten about in a foreign country. It was, I mean,

it was terrible. And if it wasn't for, like, my daughter's situation, it would have been my worst nightmare. But, like, I was always, like,

no matter what I was going through, it was always like, but I'm here for my daughter. I'm here for my daughter. And, like, I never really thought about, like, what was happening to me,

because I don't like I care about myself because I'm a dad like she's first it's not that I don't care but but like I'm going I'm going to give myself up for her every step of the way so I wasn't worried about like what I was going through. I was writing letters every day. I was like I just I believed that somebody would just take this now four year old child and have have a trauma specialist evaluator. like what kind of world do we live in where they just say no that's not happening and and you're wrong and just give the child to this family that I'm saying is a cult and and be done with it like that did the wife visit you at all no did that anyone from that family visit nobody visited but they must have known you were locked up because of the the father-in-law I was I was probably four or five miles from their apartment so like I I liked I'd like to being closer just just knowing my daughter and my first wife were down the road.

Like I was like, all right, at least I'm closer. And, and I, I just, I believed, like, I thought they were going to come open the door and say, sorry, Mr. Bryson, your daughter's waiting at the hotel down the street. You know, sorry, sorry all this happened. And I, and I would, like, sleep in my jeans, you know, like, look out the window and dream that a helicopter was going to land and, like, come get me. Because that's how serious it was with what was happening to my jeans. daughter like I just figured they were gonna someone was getting to the bottom of it on the

outside and they'd come get me and it just never happened you know like months after months after months what was a clothing situation clothing yeah so when you're in pretrial they let you use your own clothes they don't they don't give you prison uniforms until you get sentenced so I like I went to Poland with books um I had probably five or ten 10 books. I had like notebooks and pencils and clothes. I had like a big duffel bag of clothes. And I like I didn't know that I was going to prison, but I knew that I needed some stuff. So like I had three or four pairs of pants. I had stuff. Oh, so they gave it to you in prison. I could keep everything that I brought except for like my laptop. Like it was it was very

lenient as far as like what you could and couldn't have. And you got your books and all books, yep, my books and my clothes. Like, yeah, I was, I was able to like. And how do you wash those? So everything is washed by hand. So you're not allowed hot water or five minutes of hot water per week, but you could have one of those water cookers for making tea and coffee, you know, like an electric kettle. So what we would do is we had like a plastic tub and we'd put our clothes in there, with some of the soap they give us and then just boil water poured in the tub and then hand wash it, ring it out and hang it on like clothes lines that we'd make out of from rolling plastic bags up. And like those plastic bag clothes lines we'd also use to get stuff from other cells like a lasso.

Like fishing. Yeah. Yeah. So like you could have a TV in the cell. you could have a PlayStation one and maybe two. It couldn't connect to the internet. So I think two. If someone in your cell could get it from the outside and it had to be inspected.

So some of the cells had TVs and some had PlayStation's. So they would like trade. Like sell the head of PlayStation. We'll let you borrow it if you give them a sack of coffee or tobacco. Was there a form of commissary that people could order from if you had money? Like I think it was once a week or once every other week. And yeah, they would come take you and you go and you could buy pretty much anything. But you didn't have any money?

I didn't have any money. Not until later. Later, after I was sentenced and I had phone privileges, then I had friends that were helping me on a monthly basis, like depositing money in my account. So how does the court process play out for you and how long does it take to get to court? So I sat. I was in the pretrial prison in 19 months. And during that time, like, I'm saying evaluate my daughter and they're saying, what are you talking about?

You just did an attempted murder. So, and they're just totally trying to cover up this, my allegations too. So they had me, I was chained to like 10 other people with shackles. And they brought me to these two court psychiatrists in town. And these guys were total jokesters. there was just one of us after another in the chains. And when I got to my turn, I was only chained to one guy. And I'm like, man, I hope he doesn't jump out the window because I'm going with him.

So I get into see these court psychiatrists and they're like, oh, so you believe in God and you think your daughter's being abused. I'm like, yeah, yeah. And like after five minutes, they decided that they thought I might be crazy or that I was probably crazy. And it's like, their reasoning is ridiculous, but this is what psychiatrists. can do if they want to. And the reason is because there was no evidence that my daughter's being abused because they refused to investigate. So like there's, there's me saying my daughter's being abused. And then there's my first wife's family who's saying, Ian's the problem, no problem here. And they never investigated. So when it goes to a psychiatrist and the prosecutor says, I didn't find any abuse.

and I say abuse, that's a delusion, a belief in something that's not true. And it doesn't make any sense at all because they don't know if my four-year-old daughter's being abused, but because they have no evidence, they're just going to say, no, she's not. So I did, I saw those two guys briefly, went back to prison, was transferred to a bigger prison in a bigger city because my charge was serious. and then I spent two months in psychiatric observation in that bigger prison. And I saw the psychiatrist once a week. This guy spoke English.

And he was just like, wouldn't it be nice if you were crazy? Then your daughter wouldn't be being abused. And he said, if what you're happening, if what you're saying is happening is happening, I think it's going to continue to happen. He told me that what I was alleging, ritual abuse and dissociated by identity disorder. He's like, those things don't exist. they're only in American Hollywood. And I'm just like, you guys are freaking ridiculous.

Like it does exist. Like, like, and I'm, you know, all you have to do is investigate. Just have someone that knows what they're talking about. Look at my little child. But it was like, so I had to talk to this clown for two months. And then they're like, yeah, we're going to diagnose you with, uh, delusional disorder and addiction to every drug that you've ever tried. Like, because, like, when I got there,

I was like, I'm just going to be honest. Like honesty, I'm just an open book. Yeah, I've done a lot of stuff in my life. And if I'm honest about it, they'll be able to look past it and get to the bottom line. I was, I opened up and like, they just wrote down, he's addicted to this. He's addicted to that. And it's like, I hadn't tried. I hadn't used them in years.

But that's what the. So I get, I go to court and like, I have a legal background. So I prepared for hours how to, how to, how to cross-examine. these witnesses and I knew that my first wife would be running on a script that she she wouldn't be able to to have a discussion back and forth. If I if I threw a monkey wrench in her script, it would it would just crumble. So I tried that. Then the judge banned me from court for not for not defending myself but trying to get my daughter evaluated. And I asked the psychiatrist in court, I said, is there any other sign that I'm mentally ill other than that I

believe my daughter's being abused? He said no. But nonetheless, the judge, who is just a ridiculous judge, again, and there's articles about him how he will make a decision, even though the evidence is clearly on the other side. He sentenced me to one of Poland's three maximum security, pole and psychiatric hospitals, prison hospitals. So I got transported in like a Hannibal electric cage handcuffed after 19 months in prison with no issues and just model prisoner, transported like that to this to this crazy place. And the guy brings me out with shotgun pointed at me, bring me into this hospital, make me empty my pockets.

And then I'm just there. And like I walk into this place and there's a guy like, pretending to be a John Deere tractor. There's other guys walking around with their hands strapped down because they might hit someone if they're not strapped down. And like, I talked to the director and he's like, it's a mistake you're here. I don't know why they just didn't evaluate your daughter. But my job is to treat you for what the court wants you treated for.

And he's like, he's like under Polish law, I could let you out tomorrow. But that's not what the court wants. So I have to keep you here for at least six months. And that's, so I was there for. for six months and then I got transferred to medium security, which was even worse. Medium security was like, there were people jumping over the razor wire fence. There was a guy who choked me out while I was playing cards. And then he said, you got to do the same to me in the bathroom, but hold it and kill me.

Because like, people just couldn't take it at this place. And I was like, well, I can't do that. Like, first of all, I'm not going to do that. second of all, like they would know, you know, but, but like he was pissed that I wouldn't take him in the bathroom and kill him. And I was even like contemplating escape. Like this was on like the Belarus Russian border and like I, I ran it through, you know, all the possibilities. Like, who could I have come pick me up? What would that look like? Because I could, I could hardly take it. And the thing about the prison psychiatric hospitals, not only are you locked up,

but they're trying to force medicate you. And that is like a double whammy that brings it to the level of torture. You know, like it's one thing to be locked up and not be able to open the door. But when they're trying to like make you take a drug that feels like you're pouring rubber cement in your head and you can't even like focus on watching a TV show anymore, it's absolute torture. How would they force that upon you? So, like, I got, when I got there, the, the psychiatrist was like, you don't have any signs of mental illness, but everyone here takes a medication. So you will too.

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But most of the time I was able to do that. Now, what are the conditions at this higher? security and medium security like living wise is it cells are you with people so it's more like a there's like a hallway with a like a nurse's station and a tv room and then cells on the hallway or not cells more like just rooms that aren't locked with two people in each room but there's cameras everywhere so like every every room even the bathroom there's cameras um and there's there's people watching you all the time and you have to go talk to a psychiatrist or a therapist every day. So like from from prison where you're just you're just left to yourself. That's that was like I had to get used to that,

but that I'm okay by myself. I'm okay. If you give me a notebook and a book, I can I can last a while. Is it clean? Prison prison was mostly clean. Like that was one thing. The culture was like, keep it clean. And so like we all had our jobs usually. There were cells I was in where it was like people weren't living there. They were just kind of in, in transit. And they were absolutely filthy. And they had lice. Um, like I had to be treated twice for lice. I didn't have it myself. But like, they took our clothes for two weeks and give us, gave us some, some medicine that you're supposed to smear on your body and you weren't allowed to go out on a walk for two weeks. But like most of my cells were

really clean and because you have the time you just keep it clean you know and that was that was one of the good things about prison a Polish prison culture was that like the cleanliness and and also like there was there wasn't violence there people weren't attacking guards or or other other inmates and I think it's a lot of it's because they're they're all Polish like there's not a lot of diversity. Um, but also like the culture is kind of like nobody wants to make things worse than they are. And if you get in trouble, your life's going to be harder.

So they, they just kind of like just behave and deal with what it's in front of them. And I didn't see the violence. I didn't, I didn't see like people acting out. Um, other than, uh, like people abusing other people like for tobacco. Um, I saw like there was a, there was a kid 20 year old. old or something who had tobacco and an old man didn't. So he would make the old man like drink water until he like was shaking or stick a toilet plunger up his butt for like a hit of a cigarette.

So like stuff like that's happening rarely. But but nobody's beating up anybody or trying to kill anybody. Now if someone did get into trouble, is there like a solitary unit? Is there stricter conditions or? So I never. I think there are there are stricture conditions. Well, there's cells with like one person or two persons. I never saw a solitary unit or knew anybody that was in one.

Like I, I, I'm sure they have like serious behavior issues in, in their prisons. But like, I just didn't get to see it. And the big, the one of the biggest problems I saw was there was this guy who did need mental health treatment. And he, he was in prison because something with his girlfriend. and he had a tattoo of his girlfriend's name on his arm. So he would lay in bed and try to cut out his tattoo with, with the razors they let us keep. And this guy was just kind of crazy.

And like, he would do stuff like that. They wouldn't, they wouldn't take him out of the cell. So then, like, I, I kind of, there was one time where I like talked him into that we were going to escape when they opened our door next and got him all pumped up. And he was ready to like bum rush the guard. And then I was like, no, no, no. No, we're not doing that. But like, you get people like that.

And you get all kinds of people in the cell. And like, that's not something I usually do. But like I was learning like what this is all about and what people are doing. And just like this guy would have actually tried to escape if I would have given them the green light. Do they require you to work a job? No. Like when you're sentenced, then you can get a job like in the kitchen or doing grounds. But when, when you're pretrial, they, they don't, they don't let you out of the cell.

So that's kind of similar to American prison where if you're pending trial, you don't have a job. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, like they, everyone there is just like in their bubble. They, they won't let you talk to anybody because they're trying to preserve the state's case against you. And also like there were, there are people that they open the door and say, you're going home because it's because it's still pretrial. And things happen where people don't go through the whole system. and get convicted.

But for the most part, like, you are just with this little bunch of people, they become your family. And, I mean, you're playing a lot of card games. Now, what's going through your mind? Are you scared for the future? Are you just focused on your daughter? What are you thinking at the time? Because your future is, you don't know what's going to happen.

You could be there the rest of your life. Yeah. Like, I really didn't, I didn't believe I would be there for the rest of my life. it like that started out with thinking they were going to figure out what was happening with my daughter and let me go. But even once I realized they weren't going to help me with my daughter, like it was kind of a good thing when I got sentenced to the psychiatric because attempted murder is 8 to 25. Once they sentenced me to psychiatric, it's a whole other game, a whole other game where

if they don't have any signs that you're crazy, they technically have. to let you go. So that's what happened with me. I sat in prison, attempted murder. They decided I'm crazy. Once they decided you're crazy, there's no sentence. You just go to the psychiatric and then you have to go through the system. Like I had to go maximum, medium, minimum before they let me out. But they had nothing to hold me on. So it was just a matter of time. Oh, so the judge decided the whole case that it wasn't attempted murder and you were just a crazy person. Not guilty because crazy. And he decided that all in a day or is there?

No, it was like four or five trial dates. Wow. So I guess you lucked out that? I kind of lucked out. Okay. So he sentences you to the psychiatric old. Now they could have held you indefinitely forever. I mean, technically they could have like or if they were corrupt.

They could do what they wanted to do and they were, they're lying to begin with. But really like all I did, I stopped talking about my daughter. and then I'm just a normal guy. And is the embassy continuing continuously meeting with you throughout this whole process? So they have a rule where when an American citizen is locked up overseas, they have to visit you. I think it's like every six months. But it was just a formality. Like they would come and just be like, how you doing?

Everything great. And I'd be like, well, the interpreter still doesn't understand me. I say ritual abuse. They say rape. Like those are two very different things. Like they don't know what they don't know what's going on. My daughter still hasn't been evaluated. And they would just say, have a nice day, Mr. Bryson.

You know, like nothing we can do. And so they would, every time they visited me, I thought maybe this time it'll be a different person to listen. Now, you mentioned you represented yourself. Did they offer you an attorney? I had a, I had a Polish public defender. Like I, but she was just going through the motions. Like, I mean, she was public defenders. in Connecticut, I think public pretenders.

Like some of them are pretty good for, for what their job is. But this one was just like absolutely ridiculous. She didn't care if she understood me or not. She like, she didn't, she didn't bring up any of the points that I wanted her to bring up. Um, and so like I, I've, I've worked in court. I've, my, my law, my, my, my, my, my, my graduate degree is constitutional law, public law. So like I'm not a lawyer, but I, but I know what I'm doing.

Like I, um, so like I spent hours preparing my case on my own. Um, of course the judge, I didn't speak Polish or the judge thought I was stupid and, um, crazy because that's what the expert witnesses were saying. And yeah, who are, who are you, Ian to like defend yourself when we gave you a lawyer? So they just said, no, you're going to stay in your cell and we're going to hold your trial without you. Did your father-in-law come to trial? Yeah. Him, so my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, and my first wife. Oh, she was there.

Yeah. Did she talk to you at all or no? So that's like that's, that's when the moment where I got banned from court. Like I was, my first wife standing at the witness microphone and I'm standing in the defendant box. And she's, she's stating her, her claims. And so I start to ask questions like, uh, why didn't you go? to the doctor with me with our daughter when I asked like when our daughter was crying about her pee-p why why did our daughter come back from Poland every time with this terror like and you say

it's a soap irritation why why do you keep using the same soap like I had like a list of questions which would just rip their story apart and also like things like my wife was in counseling she was seeing a psychologist. I was trying to get help for this abduction weeks before the subduction happened. And they're claiming that this just happened because they needed to escape. Like, no, there's proof that my wife told me this was going to happen. And I'm telling other people weeks before it happened. Something else is going on here.

So like I had a, I had a whole plan for trial. And I was excited. And, like, there were witnesses in the Netherlands. wanted to call who, who knew my wife. And the judge just said, no, I don't have to, I don't have to investigate anything that I don't want to. And I'm like, but Polish law says you have to investigate all available evidence. And he's like, no, I don't. Um, so I wasn't allowed to call witnesses. I wasn't allowed to get a second psychiatric opinion. Um, I, you know, witnesses that would have said my wife was unstable, witnesses that would have said, I was trying to get help.

before this ever happened, you know. And it was just, I just got completely railroaded. What a mess. Absolute mess. So how long does it take to work your way through the psychiatric system there? So, so what the maximum security was six or seven months. And that's the guy that said, the mistake you're here. You know, the court wants you here, so I have to keep you here.

And so he kept me only as long as he had to till he wrote in the opinion to the court and said, he's good to go. Then they sent me to medium security. So I took another bus ride in shackles to the other side of the country. And this court psychiatrist, she said, don't you realize no one's understood what you've been alleging the whole time? And she said, you're going to have to forget about your daughter when you're released. And then she doubled the medication. This other guy was giving me. And she said, he wasn't treating you. I'm going to treat you. And this, this medium security place, is the place people are jumping over the razor wire to get out.

And this woman was just absolutely ridiculous. For her to say, I'm going to have, I forget about my daughter. And even though you've been locked up for more than two years now, we're going to double this medication for no reason at all. I just, I fought through that. And then she said, I don't know you well enough. So you have to stay here, like double the time that is required. So I stayed there not exactly double, but I think probably 10 or 11 months.

instead of six months. And I never knew when I was going to get to go. It's always like, I know there's an end to this, but I don't know when it is. It could be a month, could be six months, could be a year. So I just waited and waited. And then eventually, like after her second opinion, because her first one was, I don't know him well enough. Her second opinion, she had nothing she could say negative.

So I went to minimum security. And minimum security was like heaven. It was like it's where normal people go for like depression and detox. So there were some court people there with me. But like I walked into minimum and I'm like, there's a hundred people here. There's women here. I was like, I'm going to take this place over. And I did.

Like I started a cigarette business where I was getting, I was getting kilos of black market tobacco and having a friend bring it into me. And then I was making cigarettes with. the machine and then eventually I had two people working for me and making cigarettes and like I had a list of 20 people at all times it owed me money and like people would come to me if to borrow money or for this problem or that problem I was the American and like I just had my room because a lot of these people were in and out and I was the court guy who was always here so I just oh I had everything everyone needed and it was kind of fun and then I had one of the one of the one of the one of the one

of the guards, he said, well, you, will you teach my fiance English? And I was like, sure, because I, I had been tutoring, teaching English, like, every step of the way, because I'm a teacher sometimes. And, like, I would teach, like, the younger guys in prison English. So he's like, can you teach my fiance English? I'm like, yeah, sure. And she wanted to pay me. So they set me up in this room the first lesson and, like, I could feel that she wanted me this first lesson. And I'm like, what is going on here? Like, they're supposed to be engaged. I'm just teaching English, but I'm like weak too.

Because I've already been locked up for years with no, no contact from females or anybody. And so like her attention was like, oh my gosh. Like so the next lesson they put us in a room with a bed and like she just, she started to make moves. And then the third lesson they put us in a room with a bed and a lock. Like, like I, I'm not proud of this. Like I, I, I don't.

don't it's not it's not me to like break up someone's marriage or relationship or cheat or like I was just totally weak in that I was locked up and now now I have a girlfriend while I'm locked up and I was like perfect so that went on for a while she like took me she got me in her car one night and drove me an hour and a half to the beach and I'm like kind of scared that maybe this is a trap and then we get back and eventually it collapsed because I think she wanted me to make her my second Polish wife and when she found out that wasn't going to happen her and her fiancee they came down on me and they started like looking over my shoulder during my P test and writing letters to the court to try to say I'm a bad guy but I had a therapist friend who was intercepting those letters and

destroying them just like this crazy. situation. And in minimal security, I was also having alcohol delivered. So, because, because there was no, there was no more, like checks, no more security checks, just anybody could come in and visit you. So I would have someone bring me like 100 ML or 200 ML vodkas. And I just wait until everyone's asleep, drink the vodka, brush my teeth, smoke a cigarette, throw the bottle out the window and just like, and I got, I almost got caught. You know, it was just, just, just, just, just, just, just, Just like this, I knew that I had to get out, but it's being locked up is, is tough, as you know, like you can't, you can't have what you want.

You can't do what you want. And when those things start to creep in, like my first night at minimum, the guys are passing around vodka and joints. And I'm just like, yes, you know. And then they did a piss test on me a couple of days. And I ended up in the minimum security for six extra months because of my dirty urine. Dude, if I was in your position, I wouldn't even be risking anything. I'd be just trying to get out of here.

I know. Did you think about escaping at all once you guys said the minimum? To minimum, no. Like, because minimum was, like, it was still hard because I can't leave. Like, I'm still a prisoner. I'm still, I still have to go to, like, the AA meeting every morning and say, I'm Ian. I'm addicted to everything. And I had to go to the psychiatrist.

And all he would say is, do you hear voices? I'm like, no, I've never heard voices, but, um, but once I was there, like, I knew that this was the last step. There's, there's no other step, no other step down. The next step down is freedom. So I just like, I mean, other than getting in trouble and having to stay six more months, I was just like, I'm just going to buckle down and just, they're going to let me out.

When I was in medium, 100%, I was like, I wouldn't say almost going to, escape, but it was like so tempting and like an impulse. Like I wanted to escape. There were even times, like they take you to the dentist. And when you go to the dentist, you'd go with a strap around your wrist and a strap around a guard's wrist. And I'm like, man, like they take me one on one to the dentist. We walk through town like this.

All I've got to do is just punch the guy, take my strap off and GTA a car. You know, all you got to do. It's not when you're that, when it's that like torturous, you start to think of those things. But for me, it was like, first of all, I don't, I don't want to do any of that. Like, I didn't want to do what it took to get me here. But also, like, that would drive me further from my daughter. All right. Like, if I, if I escaped, then I'd be a fugitive in Poland.

I might be able to get to Russia or back to the U.S. U.S., but I would never be able to come to Poland again. And so it was all about my daughter. So it was just pros and cons, my temporary pain. I'm not going to escape that because it makes my life easier for a moment because it's, I need to get through this so I can continue fighting for my daughter. Now, are they giving you like a timeline when you're in the minimum saying, okay, you're going to, you have two more months, you have one more month, or is it just one day they knock

on your door, you're good to go, you're out of here. So they, they wouldn't, they wouldn't really tell you, like, I just kind of learned how the system worked through my time in there. And like, I, I knew that from the, from the maximum guy, they weren't just going to let me out. They had to go through the whole system. So once I was in minimum, it's like, there is nothing, there is no other step. They're not telling me when I'm going to get out, but it has to be like six months, a year,

maybe a little bit more than that maximum. And then like I had, I had my therapist friend who was giving me inside information telling me that the president of the facility was keeping me there because he's making more money off my bed. Because as an American, they're getting, he's getting like double for the bed. I watched him drive in new cars to work and like ask me if I,

if I'm hearing voices. Like, it's like, what, what is he doing? That's what he was doing. But I would meet with her, like, in private and she would, she would like, we actually, I stayed at her house when I was released because her and her husband, like, believed me and she helped me a lot. She was the one intercepting my letters. And she was kind of giving me inside information about what's happening and, like, what's happening in the staff meetings. Um, so I knew like what, what they were talking about me

and they wanted to let me go or some of them wanted to let me go. But the head guy was, who was making the money was like more, you know, not, not ready to pull the trigger on letting me go. But like, I just knew it was a matter of time. So I just, I just did my thing, sold my cigarettes. Like I had, I was making more money than the guards. I, like, I had, I couldn't go to the bank. So I just had a wad of cash in my pocket and like pizza and meet, good meals every day and whatever, whatever you could buy in that environment.

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The Every Day with Amazon. Another year wouldn't have been the end of the world for me, as long as I know that after that I'm getting out. So when do you finally get out? I got out in June 2015. How long were you in there for, total? 50 months. 50?

50 months, yeah. Wow. So just over four years. And like my passport had expired. And they didn't want to release me on my own, which I don't know how that's legal, because I was, you know, 30. 37 or whatever by that time. But so my dad flew over to Poland. They released me to my dad.

Um, yeah, it was just one day, one day. They're just like, this is it. You're going. And my dad came and I got in his car and we went to a hotel, um, in this town. And it's just like, it's just so weird just to be out finally. Like all that time, all you're thinking of is I just want to open this door and go to my own bed. And finally you're there. It took me a long time to like get back to normal.

Those first couple nights, like I went, my, my friend in town was like he was a club owner. So I went to his club and he poured me a drink and we sat in his office and like smoked cigarettes and just, it's like almost like a movie. Like, you know, get out of prison. Now you're back in the back drinking and smoking a cigar. What happened to your apartment? I just abandoned it. You got back. Like, I don't know what was happening with that.

Like, um, yeah, I lost everything there. I lost my cat. Um, and I had asked my dad to get my cat, but he didn't. So we lost the cat. Lost, I just lost everything that was in the apartment. Um, but like that, that wasn't, I mean, that was just an apartment we were paying 600 euros a month for. So it didn't matter.

And I didn't really think about it that much because it was like my daughters are missing. And so do you try to, go after the daughter again once you get released, or do you not want to risk it? So I wanted to risk it. Like I, but like at this point I know my father-in-law is a big wig in the city. And like I didn't, I wasn't fully aware of this at the time. But he's, he's a public figure now. He's friends with the president of the city.

And so anything that I try to do in that city, they're going to lock me up for whatever phony reason they can think of. So my dad and I, uh, drove to the bigger city where the family court was. We hired a Polish lawyer thinking we're going to fight for my parental rights. And that just turned into another. They took our money and he wouldn't, he wouldn't fight for me. He would, he wouldn't try to reopen like should Ian's daughter have been taken, you know, go back to square one. It was like, is Ian safe with his daughter to have supervised visits? And, and, and, they wanted me to talk to another Polish court psychiatrist. And I'm just like, man, I, I don't, I'm not going to go through this again.

And I don't want to, I decided I wasn't going to lie anymore. Like I had to lie to be released. I had to say like, I made a mistake. I'm crazy. I'm going to take medication for the rest of my life over and over again for them to release me. And once I was free, like I just, I was like, I'm not going to do that anymore. I think that if, if I am just open and vulnerable and honest, honest and truthful to the best of my ability, every step of the way.

That's what's going to work. And I don't have to lie to, like, get out of prison. And I'm, and I'm not going to play this game with these court psychiatrists to get a supervised visit. So, like, I just, I just said, no, I'm not, I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to say, like, and I would have to prove I'm being treated for mental illness, which, of course, I never went back to a psychiatrist. But so, like, I'm not going to play that game.

I'm going to write my book. and I'm going to believe that like good does win in the battle with evil. I don't know what that means, but that's what I'm going to put my stake in. And so I lost my parental rights. I spent some time in Amsterdam with a friend, just like riding my bike around the city, you know, waking up when I wanted to, meeting people and talking and just like spent a couple months there and then I went back to Connecticut to my dad's farm. And once I got to the farm, uh, my dad just, he bought me a car said, here's your room.

Do what you need to do. And he still didn't know what was happening. I, he might still not know now, but he supported me and that he's just like, do what you need to do. So for the next several years, like I, I garden, I had a big garden I managed and had a farm stand and eggs I sold. Um, and I just wrote and researched and prayed. basically. Like I was just at my little station, just, what do I do now? This is such a big problem. I

tried to solve it and failed. What do I do now? And like my research led me to meeting all kinds of other survivors, all kinds of other people who are in the same, same fight, trying to expose this sort of child abuse and, you know, do away with it. And also that, like, my daughter is in this, yes, but it's a much bigger problem than my daughter. And I didn't realize that until until I'm back in Connecticut after prison. But it's just kind of like open my eyes and it's like, yes, my fight is for my daughter. I'm her dad. And that's what lights the fire under my butt.

And I wouldn't be in this fight, but for her, but, but also like the fighters bigger. And like, this is happening to way too many people. And I, and so from there, like, I burned to my prison. notebooks because like I wouldn't have sold them for a million dollars. And I, and I just was like, I, I wanted to just write this and change the world again. They were changed, change my daughter's world. And so I burned them and was like, I'm not, I don't want to think that I can do anything. I want to know what it is I'm going to write if I'm going to write.

And until then, like, I place too much value in these. I'm going to get rid of them. So I threw them all in the fireplace and just kept. kind of just plotting forward. My second wife, my current wife, walked into my life in 2018. I told her my story and just like, just became obvious very quickly that we were meant to be together and meant to do whatever we're doing together. She just kept getting more and more educated about what I'm talking about and jumped on board.

And then it just became clear what book I was supposed to write. and I wrote the book. She edited it and she types like 90 words a minute. And just like her skills are matching with my skills perfectly. And I knew what the book was supposed to be about. And tell everyone about the book. That's right there if you want to hold it up to you. Yeah.

So it's, I love you like one, a letter to my daughter abducted by a cult. And 600 pages, I cut out a couple hundred pages in the editing process. and like a lot of it is redundant. There's a lot of, there's a lot of like original materials, like emails and journal entries and letters that I wrote to like different agencies. So you get the same letter to different agencies.

You'll get my, my journal entries from prison or whatever. And it's like I, I didn't cut out a lot of it because I wanted people to see, uh, the line of this is what happened without any gaps. And I mean, what it, what it does is it shows the cycles with my first wife. It shows I was trying to get help. It shows that my daughter was stolen and like my, my process and reaction to realizing that my daughter was an incestuous family and like that my wife was telling me.

And all of that, like it shows like my steps and my mindset every step of the way. And it all, it just shows how my daughter was abducted. like what what factors made this happen like allowed it to happen and so it's it's i call it a evidence-based documentary style memoir because it's it's i also talk about like my childhood and my life and like my experiences like my drug use my different things i've done in my life that like aren't really important and aren't but also aren't something that I would just like tell someone about like I was a very private person and when when this happened to me and at this point like when I'm writing this book is just like if I could

open my head up and have it dissected I would do that you know I'm not afraid of anything that's true about me so I wanted to just like let the reader know that so that they can get to beyond that to like what happened with my first wife and my daughter um because that's like the the cult that took my daughter, they've been successful in large part just because I say, my daughter is being abused and she was abducted. And they just say, no, Ian's the problem. And they just flip it. It's a deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.

It's a typical tactic used by abusers. Just, oh, you say, I'm the abuser. No, you are. And that's what they've done every step of the way. And it's worked. So I wrote a lot of this just to say like, I'm not perfect. I don't claim to be perfect. I've made mistakes.

I called my wife names. But what what they are saying and what I'm saying are two vastly different things and they're lying. I'm not. So now you haven't talked to them since. No. No. You haven't seen your daughter since the day she left. I haven't seen my daughter.

I've found her like, I know what school she went to. pictures along her childhood. And my father-in-law because he's in public office. So, but no, I've had no contact with my wife at court that day that I tried to cross-examine her. Like I started asking her questions and breaking her down like, like I knew I could. She like started to hyperventilate, walked over to the to the window. And the judge said that that's what the point where the judge. judge said you're not coming to court anymore. And I, so they, they took me out in handcuffs.

And I said, I love you as I was going out in handcuffs. So it's the last thing I've said to her. How old would your daughter be now? 19. So have you been actively searching on social media? Like I know, I know where she has an Instagram account. She has a Facebook account. But, but, like, she's, she's the same as her mother. She's, she's, it's a Stockholm syndrome situation where, like, she, she, she does hate me just as her mother does. And she will, she will, um, defend her captor just as, just as her mother does. Like, uh, do, have you heard of Patty Hurst?

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, that's, she was taken at age 19, held in a closet. And by the time they were done torturing her, she, decided to join them and believe that was her choice. So this is done with children in families attachments manipulated. Everything's manipulated to where my daughter, I'm sure, loves her captor and would absolutely destroy me. And that may be one of their tactics is to try to have my daughter speak out. Because at this point, I started making YouTube videos and calling out my father-in-law and the

president of the city. Um, and it's, it's creating havoc over there. Like there, there's, there's other people in this city that are writing to me and saying that they were also abused by these people and that this is going to stop and they're filing reports for me right now in Poland. Um, so like I, I, I believe it's, um, like, it's going to crumble. I, I, if, if I didn't believe that it was going to crumble, if I didn't believe good does win over evil, I would be back in prison. You know, at this point, I could go to Poland, I could get a gun in Poland, I could take out a couple of these abusers. But I don't do that because, one, I don't believe it's what I'm supposed to do.

It's not in any way what I want to do. But I don't believe it's what I should do either. I think it's a spiritual battle. Like these are people liking the Epstein files who are, you know, Satanists. They're, they're abusing kids. They're sacrificing. They're doing these crazy things that most of the world still can't understand happens. And I'm just going to, I'm going to do my thing and I believe that we will shut them down.

And I don't know, I don't know how that works exactly or when it works. But like, I just, I just believe that there's, there's more going on here than what we can see. And like, my man, my mind says, go back to Poland and try to get your daughter. my experience and like hopefully some wisdom mind that I've gained from this experience tells me that just hold the line hold the line and that there's there's good people in this world that when they know your story they're also going to fight for you and with you which is happening now and this this evil when it's exposed can't survive and I'm just and I see it happening I see I see it like being exposed I see um

Like, well, when this happened, and I started reaching out for help, I couldn't find anything about this, like, online or anything. Nowadays, like, there are so many survivors who have written books, who are speaking on podcasts, who are just, it's out in the open now, more and more. And so, like, I just, I believe that my daughter will, will be back under my roof. She's 19, so maybe not literally under my roof. but she'll be free and safe from this at some point. Are you afraid to leave the country again?

No, I went to Poland a couple years ago. You went to Poland? Oh, man, you got balls. I would not do that. I was scared about that. It was a church missions trip that was going to a Ukrainian refugee camp. And like, so a group from our church was going over there. And I'm like, well, they're going to Poland.

Like, I speak Polish. I should go. And the missions pastor put me as the group leader. And like I, I didn't know like what was going to happen when I got to Poland. Like I thought there's a possibility. They picked me up in the airport and throw me back in prison because my book probably breaks some kind of law in Poland. But no, I flew into Warsaw. No problems.

Went to the, went to the camp. No problems. Back to the airport. No problems. And, and then I went to Europe again the next year to the next year to the next year to the Netherlands. I don't think the Netherlands is going to extradate me to Poland, but going to Poland was scary. I can imagine. But because I just know how corrupt it is and how like it doesn't make, it doesn't matter if you're right. They will screw you in court if they want to. Now going through

this whole experience as negative as it is, do you think it led to you having some purpose in life? For sure. That's like it. So the thing that I would have wanted the least in my life happened to me. And like we don't have any choice in that matter, right? Like no matter, no matter how much we plan or think we have like a 10 year plan in our lives, it's never going to be what we plan. And so in my case, like, it's, it's a weird situation because I'm thankful for it in a certain way.

Like I was my, my whole life, like I told you I wanted to go. to law school. I wanted to help people. Like I, I believe that I married my first wife because, like, something subconscious pulled me to her, right? Like, I married into, like, the most crazy situation I could have married into. And I don't believe in random anymore. I think it all happened for a reason. Um, I don't regret it. I still love her. I'm going to, I fight for her. Um, like, and it's for sure. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't wonder what I'm doing here. I don't wonder what my purpose is. And I did. I used to wonder what, what's my fight? What, what is, what's real in this life? You know, what are we really doing? Now I, I, I don't have that

question in my mind. So like that, that is amazing. Like, to, to, to, to, to know, like, who you are, what you're doing, what your purpose is. And that it, it's real is amazing. I think at the same time, I'm still dealing with my daughter being in that horrible situation and having to do that every day, which doesn't get easier. You know, it's still the same as it was day one. But through the process, I also have a hope that I believe it's a real hope, but like good wins, period. If not, then this, none of this would make sense and we might as well just go out and do whatever, you know, like there is a reason, there is a purpose. And so I believe that it can be flipped around for good. I believe that it can help more people.

You know, my daughter will be free, but so will others because of this. And who knows what kind of voice she's going to be. Like, get her on these podcasts. I want to just be sitting in my chair reading a fiction. I don't like, I don't like being a public person, you know, like, so that's, I, I think just like the process has made me sure that the victory is, is somewhere. victory meaning this is exposed and shut down and my daughter's free and so like i'm okay with the process and being patient and not knowing exactly how that works well ian i appreciate you coming on the show today and sharing your story with us yeah thank you ian it's been a pleasure to be here

and honor to be here with you sir