Locked In with Ian Bick - Parking Lot Brawl Lands Teenager In Prison | Jerry Ormond

Episode Date: February 25, 2024

Fellow Connecticut resident Jerry Ormond is on the show today to share how a fight landed him in the criminal justice system as a teenager in which he had to learn how to survive youth prisons. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Connect with Jerry Ormond: https://www.instagram.com/universalartsfitness?igsh=MWl3dnFsdjZiNGJ4ZQ== Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:05:21 - Childhood 00:10:25 - Growing Up in Different Neighborhoods 00:15:47 - Pressure to Make Money 00:21:03 - A Confrontation in the Cafeteria 00:26:10 - Street Fight 00:31:36 - A Chaotic Encounter 00:36:59 - Life of Parties and Trouble 00:42:11 - Joy Riding Adventures with Friends 00:47:22 - Going to Jail for the First Time 01:02:37 - Handling confrontations 01:12:40 - Standing up for myself in prison 01:17:44 - Lessons Learned Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In jail, you probably know this. You're not supposed to sit on top of the table, right? You sit on the chair part, right? And so he sat on top of his feet on the stool. Big mistake. So the one dude, the other dude's on the phone. He's not really on the phone, though. He's just pretending.

So then the dude goes up to him to stock him. He's like, you say he's going to smack me, white boy. He turns, boom, cracks him. He goes flat on the table. The dude drops the phone, comes running up. They swing him sideways on the table. So now he's on flat on the table like this. They're beating him out of his pants.

They're grounding him by his ankle, one got him by his face. They're whooping him. He's red in the face. They drag him off the tape on the ground. The ones who are just standing over him just wailing on him. He's sitting their pants down here and running the face just like this looking stupid. So I'm like, first lesson learned.

Fellow Connecticut resident Jerry Ormond is on the show today to share how a fight landed him in the criminal justice system as a teenager in which he had to learn how to survive the horrible reality of youth prisons. I want to give a big thanks to everyone, the listeners, the viewers on YouTube, who leave a comment on our YouTube podcast episodes or a review on our episodes on Spotify and Apple. It helps us tremendously get the show out there to more people. And remember, you could stay up to date on all the exciting things we have coming to Locked In podcast

by following me on Instagram at Ian underscore Bick. Now sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with Jerry Ormond. Jerry, welcome to Locked In, man, a fellow Connecticut resident coming from Stanford. I think you're probably our first Stanford. guest on the show ever. I got more for you too. Oh, really awesome.

I love the Connecticut guys when they come on the show because then they recommend all their friends and their friends start texting me. They're like, yo, can I come on? And it works out because the stories are great. And you reminded me a 1090 Jake. We were just talking about. You said you're Irish, right?

Yep. You've watched some of 1090s content. Of course. How could you not? A lot of Connecticut people actually watch his stuff. I never watched prison. content before until I started making my own prison content. Yeah, I saw some, but it wasn't, didn't hold my touching too long.

I'll watch an episode or two, but this, this one's, you know, I'm waiting for everyone, you know, and now you said three a week, so. Yeah, we're excited. We're hustling, man, we're hustling. You know, I just figure, like, you got to leave no stone unturned. So I think three is, like, the max I would ever go to. So it's like, let's push it to the max and try to pull it off. I mean, you don't know unless you try.

It's going to be a lot of work on my end But like you can see I'm a one-man team now I'm pretty much doing everything Yeah But it's fun you know I'm passionate about it But Jerry man You reached out to me on Instagram

And you have a interesting story Because it relates kind of to hockey And we know the AJ Galante story And that caught my attention He's a good guy Yeah he's a really good guy And he was literally just here before you walked in Have you ever met him before?

We've spoken on Instagram. I had showed love. When he put out the first podcast, I had just kind of just briefly, you know, I could relate to the stuff that you guys are putting out. And, you know, just showed love. And he was super down to earth and appreciated the love.

And, you know, he just showed a little bit of love, leave it alone. It's not, you know, I'm not a fan club or anything. But probably a couple weeks later when they posted the Rough and Rowdy, when, what's it, Diamond Hands, right? That's his name? He was just here, too.

Oh, my God. How did I miss that? So I guess when he knocked the kid out and the kid was like You know glassy eye talking about they stopped it too quick So I had shared it and then he had hit me back And was just like you know appreciate the love whatever So then when I tried to get on your podcast I think I didn't hear for like a week so I was like

Let me fish a little bit just in case I was like just in case I missed your Your site or whatever and I had hit him up or I tagged him And then he had hit me back and was like I got you I'm 11 know right away And I'll just say, you did hit me back within an hour. So I guess it's good to, you know, tap in with certain people, right? Yeah, I think you had messaged me twice. And, like, I always try to go through my message requests. But, like, I'll look at one.

And then if I don't respond, like, I mean to respond. But it's just something else is happening. And you said, I don't think I – I was like, I don't think I pitched my story. I figured it would work. It wasn't it worked, right? So that's, you know, it was just a little strategy. That's all. I love that, man.

And I love that you're ready to share your story. because that's those are the best interviews like you called me the other day wanting to prep it and um i think a lot of people are caught off guard that i'm so chill about it because i just like the guest to i was like man this dude probably thinks i'm nuts but i like i like to prepare you'll learn from the story preparation is a big part of my success in the past so yeah this means a lot to me i'll tell you about some of the things i want to want to come from this and some of the things i try to do now to kind to write the wrongs and, you know, this could just be part of that whole journey and just something that from the heart, you know.

It's therapeutic. Yeah, yeah. Our kids now and stuff like we talked about. So just trying to be a good example. And I want to be able to give people the opportunity to share in their own words, in their own eyes without the host interrupting and bringing them down a side track or something like that. So without further ado, Jerry, take us from the top, man.

Like, where you, let's start with where you were from, where you're born and we'll work our way through there. So from Stanford, middle class Irish family, father was a fireman, mother was a social worker. You know, as far as opportunities, I only child also, as far as opportunities, I never, you know, really was told no. With hockey, you know, it's very expensive. You know, my parents would find a way to make it happen. But, you know, it's not like I materialistically was like getting spoiled or anything like that. But I had a solid upbringing, good family, you know, where Irish or some alcohol in the house. You know, you have some rough nights sometimes,

but nothing, you know, people have it so much worse in the world. There's nothing I could, you know, really thrive, like worry about too much or blame, you know, anything that I ever did on that. But, you know, you learn to be tough. My dad always, he passed away, and that'll be part of the story, too. He passed away in 2018, but he always,

he told me, you know, don't take crap. Not to be a goon or a bully or a jerk, but, you know, staying on your own, too. If I came home and said somebody was bothering, me when I was younger in school. First thing you'd say, what happened? You kick his ass? And not, you know, not that I'd be in trouble if I didn't or anything, but basically, you know, did you handle that? And, you know, a lot of times it would be the beginning of me telling him I got suspended conversation or something like that. But, you know, just a blue-collar upbringing.

So at a young age, I started playing hockey, as I was saying. And so I kind of got into this life for like, okay, hockey, something I really love, something I want to do for a long time. So let me pursue this. And school was always. a part of that package, right? Because if you want to play in college, you want to go pro, you got to have your grades too. So I was always kind of good on that end. Hockey always kept me at bay, and that's kind of what kept me on the good side of things when it came to life.

Because Stanford, it's not the worst place in the world, but it's got its stuff. And if you're not focused on something or you have your own goals, it's very easy to fall into nonsense. Another part of my younger years is I lived in North Stanford, which is actually like the nice part until I was 12. So across the street we had this neighbor He was like my big brother figure They were actually from down south

He was four years older But his thing was he ran with these These guys They were Albanian guys And in Stanford that's Shout out to my Albanians That's, you know You know what that means if you live at Stanford

You know those guys, they don't play around So I grew up He was older too as I said So I grew up kind of under the shadow Of the older guys, him his friends So kind of These hockey's going on I'm focused during that time of the year

But then when it's not hockey He's not go out a little bit Go to parties, drink, stuff like that So one night I'm out And I run into the younger Albany It's like a year or two younger than mid Through some mutual friends It's like early high school

And they're cool We're getting along We're explaining our connections So we know I know your older cousin Your older brother or whatever They end up getting into a problem Later that night

And I'm based off my upbringing And I kind of look up to this guy He's always telling me crazy stories they're getting into stuff whatever so i'm like this is my chance i'm about to go off so i helped them out and um you know kind of i don't know why that was important to me um i think also a part i missed too like in early elementary school i was bullied a lot i actually stayed back to kind because i was a little young for my grade or whatever it was i stayed back so that it would be a better age group for me socially so i think maybe i had that chip on my shoulder

since I was young, young, because just getting kind of picked on. Don't get me wrong, I helped my own, but it led to, like, temper, anger issues and things like that. So my parents got me the proper help. I go to classes and things to kind of work on my anger and, you know, hockey, you know, and doing karate when I was a kid, too. It's all discipline-related things. So I think by the time I was in high school, I had a pretty good control over my anger.

But, so now back, kind of fast forward to that other story. Now, I'm just kind of looking for that brotherhood people to kind of. kind of have my back. You know, it's cool when you got boys and they have your back. And Stanford, you're always, there's always stuff you're running into. Like, in middle school, I remember being downtown with my cousins, my Irish cousins, and we go to like the movies by the mall. And we get shook down by, it was actually a classmate from my middle school that we saw

him talking to this older guy that he knew and they were rough guys from rough part of town. They shook us down. I think it took like 20 bucks from me or something. So I've always been kind of calculated. So when that happened, I remember looking to my cousin. cousins and being like leave it alone right now these dudes are older they'll do us dirty you know so I'm like we'll catch him at school so we wait till Monday morning this is the weekend it's whoever catches them first there's three of us me and my cousins are all pretty good size we're not you know we're not

push over so I'm sitting in French class and my buddy comes to the door my buddy kev he opens the door he goes they got him I need to go to the bathroom I'll be right back run down the hall but he slumped down the hall and my cousin called him so I was like that was kind of that first feeling of like revenge, right? Like somebody did something to you and we can get them back, you know? And that was probably seventh grade or something like that. So it's kind of how it starts. Like it's not like I'm, you know, from the hood or anything like that, but I went to a magnet school. So in that same school, there's kids from every side of town because it's a lottery. There's no district. So literally, which is sad because when I move forward in the story later, kids go different directions when you get

older. Next thing, they're doing things to each other because they're from opposite places. So we're all friends, you know, teammates. So I'm getting, you know, now I got my Albania friends. I got my, you know, friends from every neighborhood in town. Um, so, you know, you're getting older. I guess you get older. Now we're going to high school. I got all these, you know, people I know. And then, you know, I met some Dominican friends in high school as well. They were from New York. It moved out here. One of them was just from out here. So now you're kind of moving to high school. Hockey's progressing. Um, you know, getting better. We actually moved to Dary Ann because, uh, I played there since I was young, like nine years old.

So my dad, when he retired from the fire department, he had flipped our house and tried to, you know, he put work into it and tried to sell it for more money. So his plan was kind of to do that during retirement for fun. So it just worked out. We were moving at the same time. As I said, I was lucky, I had a lot of opportunity. So my whole thing was, all right, can we move to Darian? And he figured it would be a good investment.

And then I could go to school there with the kids I played with since I was nine. obviously I knew it was going to be different you know Dary Ann is a very For those who don't know it's a very wealthy town Right over the border but completely different It's not very diverse So I go there You know I know what I'm getting myself into

I know I'm there for a reason But now we're getting older high school right I stand for friends You know kids are selling weed Things like that So now I'm You know I make varsity freshman year Um

Obviously at some point These worlds are going to, right? I'm at Daryan High. There's a lot of money there, right? So eventually that's going to come into play. But the main focus is hockey, first and foremost, at that time. So make varsity one of, at that time, high school hockey is a lot more, like, competitive. Nowadays, it's, there's other options these days for kids 16 to 21.

So high school is kind of not as good as it used to be back then. It was really, really good. Wait, the school actually had a league, a hockey league? Yeah, Daryan. We didn't have hockey? We didn't have hockey? What high school? Danbury?

Then we have a, I don't think. I think we had our own hockey team. Immaculate? I don't think Danbury did. Or the surrounding towns? There might have been a co-op. Bethel Brookfield sounds familiar. Because I think Norwalk did that.

There was other co-ops too. So I forget who, but that may have been a co-op. I think we were not to like most, but I think they were probably like Division III. So we didn't really play them. The only teams in Division III we would play were like the county teams. And what year was this? 05. I was a freshman.

graduated 0-9. So you're in like early 13. now? 33. 33, okay. Yeah. So you make varsity freshman year? So make varsity freshman year.

One of two freshmen to make that team, that's how deep we were. And just to give you an idea of the talent level, the other freshmen played on Union, which college, and won a national championship and went to play pro in Europe. And me and him were the only freshman on that team. He was third line his freshman year. So we were very, very good. So we won a couple of FCAC championships. We had a state semis appearance.

but I didn't start the first two years. It was actually my buddy. He was a starter since he was a freshman. So I got a lot more games than somebody in my situation would have got. But I kind of knew I started going to this camp in Minnesota as like the best camp. Literally one of the best camps in the world ran by Ann Clark. The guy's a legend. Goalie coach legend.

I was a goalie, by the way. I don't know if I said that. I was a goaltender. So this guy got me on another level. I knew when my time came to start, it was going to be. I needed one year, that's it. So junior year was my time. I'll give the numbers, because I'm sure AJ's probably going to watch it.

Just for him, I'll give the numbers. You watch his every episode. 22 games played my junior year, six shutouts, 93.7, say, percentage, and 1.3 goals against average. So not to brag, but it's just stats. The camp that I had had a website with, you enter the information every game, so that's how I know the numbers. So you enter the stats, and then it all adds up.

So obviously, you know, perhaps, schools, things like that I'm talking to. I end up going to, well, let me rewind to the side activity now at Dary Ann. So that's the hockey side, right? Then there's two of my good friends are, they got Stanford High with the weed and they got West Hill with the weed. I might as well try to get a couple hours of Daryant. Now, I'm not trying to go crazy because, you know, kids obviously talk and stuff like that

and I'm playing sports, but I got my network, my, you know, 10 guys that were good and, you know, I would do it differently. those guys are in the bathrooms with their backpacks open. I'm in the, we're in the cafeteria, security guards are surrounded. I'm passing under the table. We're right there in front of them. So just going, doing it differently. And then on top of that, my cousin, like my younger cousins, they were like a year or two younger.

They were now in high school. I was hanging out with them one day, and I kind of met some guys through them. My buddy, DA, he'll come up later in the story too. So where I lived in Dary Ann was literally a baseball's throw from Stanford. Like there's a river in between. It's basically Stanford. side. So my boy Dan lived on, D.A. lived on the east side. He would walk across the bridge with him and his boy's money. They'd come see me. Then I'm going to, you know, I got my dearie and friends. I got my own

little flow. I'm not affecting anybody else what they got going on. So I'm not anybody else's way. It was a nice lane. I was quiet about it. It was nice. So the reason why I was doing that, obviously, like, I'm seeing what these guys around me are doing. And I didn't have to do that, but I didn't really have time to work either. You got to remember, I'm real busy. I'm training. I'm hockey's every day damn near So like I don't really have a way To get my own money This is easy

Probably didn't have to But at the same time I'm trying to dress the same way I'm trying to be able to do the same things When I'm out having fun Can you have just asked your parents For the money then? No no see that's what I'm saying

It wasn't that good Okay And then those years We hit a brick wall Because that investment went bad So I see I didn't meant Steve Thank you I didn't mention

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at Lifelock.com slash podcast. Terms apply. When they tried to sell the house, they had to give it to the bank because it wasn't selling. So they lost everything. So do you feel like you were pressured to try and go and make money for yourself?

Can I be honest? I think just seeing, like when you go to a friend's house you see you got a shoebox full of money, it's your friends, right? Tell me who you hang out with that. So you are, right? I think I just wanted to have that type of money.

It's almost like you want to keep up. Does that make sense? You kind of want to fit in, though, too? But it was, but I really, it wasn't to be cool, though, for me. I didn't even want people to know like that. Because back then, you get in trouble for a dime bag. Like, you literally get, you go bonding everything. Like, I'm not trying to deal with that.

I'm an athlete. That's going to mess everything up, right? I don't even want my parents to know. So it's like, definitely not trying to, like, at least no, right? And that was the thing. I always got made fun of for that, but I hung it up with that stuff a few years ago,

and 15 years, I never had any issues with that type of stuff as far as the law. So they could say what they want. They made fun to me then, but I obviously, you know, made my couple dollars for a long time, almost 15 years. So back to then, you know, just kind of, so I got my network. So now I'm moving on. Now I'm going to private school. So I get recruited South Kent.

They're number one ranked. New England, six NHL prospects on that team. I know I got a battle for my job. They kind of give me a rundown who I'm up against. Like I said, I learned from the best. Like, Mayweather, right, you've got to be confident. Like, it's not cocky. It's you put in the work, you know you got it.

So without the details of who was who, because it's kind of, you know, it's not really a hockey podcast, right? But it was a situation I was very confident. So I walk in and I see the guy that's supposed to start. He's the assistant coach's brother. and I'm like, I'm sizing him up. He's overweight. I'm like, there's no way.

I just know, there's no way he's better than me. There's no way. So we go through the whole process, tryout start. First trial, it's straight scrimmage. I shut him down for like 20 minutes street. They get me out of there. I'm thinking, okay, he's good. Let's look at somebody else.

The other guy's getting smoked. Five, ten goals of pop getting lit up. So I'm like, oh, I got it. First day is great, right? We go through the rest of trials. I did fine. No worse than anybody else. You know, maybe not a great day every single day,

but we're also not skating as much because we're living at private school. So, like, when you're home, there's a preseason, like, a fall team. There's a fall team, but, like, you're there, like, once a week on the weekends. You just play a game. You go back to school.

It's hard to get on the ice when you're at private school. They do, like, a skate once a week. So, tryouts go good. The results come out. I don't make the team. And mind you, they gave me $25,000. It's a $40,000 tuition at the time. My father had a home equity loan, as I was saying, to do all the work on the house.

So that's the only reason they even had the other 15 laying around. They never had it like that. You know, 15's a lot. So I'm saving them 25 grand. Like, I was proud of that, you know? That comes from the hockey team's budget. So why would they give me that unless they were, that's a pretty big amount to give away, you know? There was some nonsense behind the scenes.

I found out later. The headmaster had a deal with the kid that graduated the year before his two brothers. they were coming for full tuition 40 grand each that's 80 grand for the school so I guess they bumped me

they thought I wasn't gonna I knew I was gonna surpass the other two but I needed to prove it I didn't get my shot because they didn't even pick me because they had to slide the other kid he was a goalie so they slid a man halfway through the season

they're gonna smoke they're losing games 10-9 anybody knows hockey that's unheard of these guys lending 10 goals and 22 shots two of them the six prospects, they go, we want to redo goalie trials. Why is Jerry not on our team? They offer me to redo trials mid-season.

I tell them, go, screw themselves. Because at this point, I was playing player on the second team for fun. I sold my gear. I'm like, I'm done. I'm just going to graduate. I was better. I was.

So at this point, I haven't taken a shot in a month and a half. You want me to come save the day? That's not fair to me. Because I know I'm not going to be 100%. It's not even fair. So I blow that opportunity. Next thing you know,

We get into it Well, I didn't say my right-hand man from Norwalk He was there with me at the time He was kind of a street guy too, low-key, nobody really knew Not street street, but we have connections, people we knew We get into it with the all-New England defensive end On the football team, which is basically all-state We get into it with him

It was really my boy that got into it with him But we're a lot smaller than the dude, so like I had his back The way we came up, you always jump in Like unless you just are thrashing them by yourself, you always jump in. There's never, Stanford is kind of like there's no fair ones. Like if there's five of you, two of us, we all fight. It's just how it always was. So this dude's big. There's no

way I'm letting him beat my boy up in front of all these people at school. There's no way. So we get into it with the dude. We're basically in the middle of the cafeteria. We stand up. Like, what's up? And this is kind of now where things converge, right? Because hockey ship is sealed. Now I'm just here. I don't really care

anymore. To be honest, I'm mad. My whole plans are ruined. You know what I'm saying? So it's like I'm now, now, I'm more of the temper is kind of shorter now. Like, I'm not as happy. So this situation happens. I'm like, let's fuck this dude up. Excuse my language.

So teachers come, break it up, everybody go back to their dorms. The problem is he's in my dorm. Two doors down. So, and it's single dorm. So, like, it's smaller than this room. It's like, smaller than the jail cell, the single room, really, really small. So I get to knock the door. It's him.

I'm by myself. He's huge. So he's like, what's all that shit? You were talking? I don't know what to do. I see a pencil on the table. But I pick it up. And I'm like, take a step towards my...

I remember my Albanians. I dare you swing. I dare you. I dare you. I see crazy shit they do. I'm bluffing. I don't want no smoke with this dude. He's got strangle me in this room.

I won't come out. This will be the last room I go in. So I jab at him. Like, I faint out. I'm like, I'm going to stand. I slam the door in his face. Lock him. Pussy.

I don't know if I can say that. So I call my boy. He comes running over. fuck that going back to your dorms, all that. He comes over, dude left. I'm like, damn. Now I got real beef at private school with the dude two doors down.

That weekend we go home. We find out he's going home too. Somebody calls him from a pay phone and tells him that to link up at a commuter parking lot. I think what those people were going to do was watch from the car and have somebody else come there too

and just whop his ass. That way he can't go back to school and tell. He doesn't want to meet up. So they tell him where he lives in his mother's name and tell him that he better cut the shit, basically. We come back to school Monday. He's not even looking at me anymore. Your friends called him and did this. Somebody called, yeah, it was my friend.

I might have been listening. Was this even a serious thing? Like, what was this even over? I don't know who we thought we were, to be honest. I can admit that. I know it sounds ridiculous. I kind of thought you guys were a bunch of little mobsters. Like, I'll be a idiot bobsters rolling out.

I'm not going to say that because it's clown shit compared to that. but I guess But yeah Like You don't want to be It's like I'm not stupid enough To be like on some

Full Fledged gun busts and hood shit Right? I'm not I don't need Like there would be no reason for me to do that But I see how these guys are Getting their financial aid around town From where I'm from and stuff And

Stanford's like a mafia town too Like there was a big McGalley presence My buddy's daddy They kicked in the dorm middle school Took him away for five years When they wrapped all them up So I was like I think my uncle was like

Best one of them was in the best man with Tony McGailly himself. I think maybe, I think he might have been best man of my uncle. Something like that. But, so we grew up with these people. So it's like, their kids, they're, you know, I didn't want to bring that up too much, but you get what I'm saying. Did your parents see you going down a different path once your hockey dreams were over?

So I'm happy you brought that up because I was about to forget this. The first time my dad knew I was on some different, like, crazy stuff was the same friend from South Kent. We were meeting up at the train station and Stanford. we're going to go to the Ranger game. As we're driving, there's like, if anybody knows downtown Stanford, there's like a four-lane road next to the highway,

it's like a wall right there. Some dude, older, like, so an older guy in his truck with his son, it just so happened to be Hispanic. Not that it matters. He almost ran us off the road. So I'm like, oh shit, I'm in the car with my dad.

The guy flips us off, and then we go to turn under to go into the train station. He starts following us. This is when I'm 16. I'm kind of running with the Albanians a little bit. running around, you know, scrapping here or there. I'm feeling the type of way now because the way they were, it's like pop quick, like

pants up, what's up? Like, you know what I mean? That type of, you know, obviously I know it's not okay now, but at the time, right? So, I told my dad, stop. He gets scared, like what? Stop. I'll get out the car and I run up on a dude. I go to trying to open his door, he locks it. So my dad, he was kind of tough too, but he's old and broken down.

Like fireman, body shot. He, like, I feel like he didn't know what to do, and he runs up behind me, so he kind of like had my back. I see the guy's son in the car. Please, please. I'm with my son. You know, I'm like talking shit. Stop being a tough guy with your son in the car, whatever.

We leave. But that was the first time I doubt. I know he was like, yo, this dude, what the hell is wrong with him? Like, I don't know. I don't know. But like I said, there's that temper and that chip on my shoulder from when I was little. Now we're private school. Beef with this kid.

That settles down. Now we got kids that like their parents have money. You know, drug addicts, whatever. So the dude's on like, like basically he wanted exit pills, right? I'm getting him in town for $10. He paid $30, $40 a pill. You want $10, $20 of them. Why wouldn't I grab those and bring him back on Monday or Sunday?

So that's kind of how things kind of were combining. Long story short, I get to a point where now I'm home one weekend. While all this is going on, there's an ongoing feud at home with my boys and these other kids, my younger guys. They got this ongoing few. There's multiple incidents, fights, tried to rob. Somebody tried to rob this one dude. that was from the other group, whatever. I'm home on weekend.

We find out this dude is saying he wants to kill our boys' brother that try to set him up. He's online with ARs. He wants to do what? But he goes to Stanford High. So we find out that the kid's brother. So let me give you the rundown with the friend group that's going to get this guy, that guy, right,

so he gets confusing. My two-go defendants end up being these guys, Austin and AT. My cousin, Cody, he'll be in the story a lot too. so Austin my co-de is brothers with this kid that he threatened so Austin goes to Stanford High he doesn't go to Stanford High I hear he's there by himself look for the do so me and my Cody AT we speak on the phone I'm in Norwalk in my hair kid we speak on the phone oh he's at Stanford High

so we're like oh crap we got to go help him so we go we get there as we're pulling up we see the dude that we don't really like mind you I don't know how old these kids are but the one dude huge he looks like the rock not that big but like if the rock didn't work out and was like two inches shorter he looked like the rock he's big so we see him in like a group of six I see my boys come up one of my boy and my cousins coming across the stew kind of give each other eyes like mind you there's a bunch of random brawes and fights that go on over the years like I said to you on the phone I'm not gonna go through every war story

because there's a bigger message to this story but um that you know this is the one of the biggest things that happened that led to my prison sentence So we go in this parking lot, Stanford High. They're in the middle of parking lot. There's cameras everywhere. Like I said, strategic. So I'm like, all right,

we're not going to park right here. Obviously, go around the corner. I got a distinct red car to Tudor, which didn't help. Because, you have to leave after. You're trying to get, you know. It was not the best, but we made it work. We walked in the parking lot.

As I said, we already kind of saw each other. Like, all right? Like, everybody, my cousin, even my boys aren't fighters. Like, oh, shit. They see us, they know. Like, we're not supposed to even be there. We come in the parking lot.

I see my boy from middle schools. I dab him up. Strategic, right? We're not just going to walk up. They go up to the side. I come over here to the other side. They don't even know I'm going to get involved, but I'm like, if anything goes left,

these are my guys younger brothers. I got to handle that. Like, I can't. How do I look going back to them? Oh, I watched them get their asses. Because they were a lot smaller than this dude. Those are my boys. They were tough, but this dude is big.

Like, it's not a pushover. So, mind you, they were more tie fighters, too. I never brought the boxing back into it. I was training. two around this time again. Once I came home, because I had came home from school, well, I'll get there, I'll get there. So these guys are multi-fighters.

So he goes to square up to the big dude, the kid's brother, Austin. He throws a one, two, and a kick. This big ass dude catches his kick, dumps him on his head, like a freaking power bomb, bleeding from his head. So AT jumps in, they kind of get him down to the ground. When I run up,

AT's kind of wrestling. Now, I don't know if I remember exactly, but this is the story I went with, all right, because I heard's lawsuits, involved. So anyway, to me it looked like they're wrestling over the waistband. Because usually if somebody's on top, somebody trying to hit him,

you'd be covering up, right? They're down here with it. His face is wide. So I just start kicking. Mind you, like, D1 hockey legs here. Like, I don't even realize how hard I'm kicking this dude. After the third kick it, I'm in the heat of the moment. At the same time, my dude's going to the trunk to grab a bar or lacrosse there or something. My cousin sees it, clocks him on the camera. You see the Duke go flying.

My other boy to one of the Dominicans. He's holding, I don't know what he did, but he had three or four of them kind of held up. Like, yo, don't try it type shit. For some reason, they listen. He had a reputation, so they listened. So then we kind of on the other dude. I kick him once, twice, three times, and I didn't mean to because I'm going to hit in a moment. But now looking back, he went out.

Then I kicked him again. And that was not, I just lost, like, I told you that Albanian, that's turned up, that mentality. Where do you think all this anger came from? I was just riding out, bro. At this point, I don't even think I was angry when the situation happened. It was just like, oh, we got, like, you're like kind of like, not a gang, but it's like we, like I said, there's a lot of things that happened before too. And this is like sophomore year of high school? At this point, I'm, I've repeated my junior year.

Okay. So you're like 17? Yes. Almost 18. I'm sorry, just turned 18. Of course. That's another key detail. Just turn 18, like 20.

30 days before. So he's now I mean I didn't see it because and it's crazy because if you watch me on the video it's like a movie I just walked off Oh this is all on video. Yeah right right on the damn camera Oh like what are we doing right

So but you don't plan it You know sometimes it's not what you plan so So you kick him He's so we run so every one dude's Broke if well I'll get there Got hit hard He's laid out the other dudes backed off we all slide out You see me on camera it's like a movie

kick kick I'm looking around people are running towards I'm walking like through like so I'm not trying to attract attention excuse me attention so we get to the car we find out he's seizure and foaming out the mouth like they're talking about he might die like somebody fuck we we're we're we're leaving the cops are zipping by us literally we're like I'm just the side streets right there super tactical got up out of there drop them off the the Austin Austin AT by Japan jump on the highway back to Norwalk Alibaba. Because this is a 30, 40 minute period.

20, 30 minute, but it wasn't, it was quick. From the time I got Stanford from my haircut, in Norwalk, I was there quick. It happened quick. I'm back on the highway, going to my friend in Norwalks.

I'm in Newark the whole time. Because I don't know a lot of these Stanford High kids. I don't go there. So I can probably pull this off. The only people that know me are the people that were with me. So I'm like,

try to go that route, right? I get called from everybody, like, changing my clothes. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm knowing I got to come home later. Getting calls like, what do you do? Would you girls guys? Yo, they're looking for you.

Da-da-da-da. So I got to call my dad, right? I'm like, oh, man. I call him. I'm like, look. Schen, I already obviously knows I'm getting into stuff. I said, I got a call. They said I did something.

Something happened at school. A kid got hurt. It wasn't me, but they think it's me. I'm just letting you know if you're anything. He called me like an hour later. Like, yeah, come on. Because fireman, right? He knows all the cops.

Somebody called him personally. Like, damn. gotta do it right because I can't make them look bad gotta go stand on what I did right I go down there as I'm walking in my cousin's walking out so like I'm you know you're not gonna show much

you just kind of like all right like go in trying to be good whatever I go in so they you know interrogation room time right here we go this will be trained for our whole lives right so mind you what did I say before I don't even want my parents to know you're done for having my parents in here

because that's not about to help. I'm not about to admit what I just did to this dude in front of my parents. It's like not even 24 hours later. I'm shook. I'm thinking he's about to die. So they're playing a good cop back all. Everything you see on TV. Shout out to those guys because I'm older now and they know my family.

Kennedy's a good guy. Sergeant Ray has son playing the NFL Silas. They're legends. They're all right. They're not bad. Now that I'm older, I can say that. They were good to me. But at the time, you know, they're trying to help this family out.

The kids in the hospital, critical condition. side, big sigh, slamming on the table. He's like, you know, you got to be honest with yourself and your family. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I was in Norwalking, my hair cut, about my friends. We could call the family right now. You can ask the mom when she saw me. Stick it on my story.

I'm not budging. They try to leave the room. I'm going to give you a minute to talk to your parents. I don't know what they're talking about. I'm not saying nothing because I also know like this is serious. Because Taylor, the older neighbor, his name was Taylor. He had been to jail and stuff too at this point. So I know what time it is.

Like they had beat somebody with a bottle crazy. Those dudes are crazy too. But, you know what I mean? Not that it's a good thing. But at the time, that's what was glorified. So I just know what time it is. So I'm like, I'm not saying shit. So they go to bring us into the room to call the family to clarify the story.

They messed up because as, I mean, not that I was going to say anything anyway, but they bring me by the juvenile cells. My co-dies were 16. I see AT through the window. He's like this. I didn't say shit I didn't say shit So I'm like

Alright he wouldn't have said that He's saying that for a reason So I'm like we good I'm not saying nothing I mean I wasn't gonna say anything anyway But I get this like gratification Like we good I'm sticking on my story

They call So the mom she couldn't lie right But she was like yeah I could say I saw him at this time I was upstairs Because they kind of their family was cool too She tried

But it was wrong for me to involve them But I was doing my best You know to try to get out of it I knew they were kind of down A little bit So like I knew you know, they didn't give me any problems about it. I felt bad, though. I felt bad involving them.

So, long story short, you get booked. $100,000 bond. I know they'll be able to get it, but I know it's going to be a little while. So. What are your parents saying to you? Home equity loan, by the way, again, right? They're just like, you know, my dad was like, you fucking didn't you? Like your son.

You know, I think we had one of those moments. I'm like, shut the fuck. Like, my mom was like, shut up. Like, whatever. So I feel so bad. What were the actual charges? So first, you know, like the cushion e-b-s charges, like criminal trespass. The dude, okay, I did feel stupid about this, but like I said, dude was huge. He was 16 as well. I didn't know him.

I see my man get power bomb. You know, dude was bigger than me. So I look kind of, if you read the article, it's like, yo, like this crowd beating up little kids. But dude, there's no push-over. Dude was a big boy. So, where was I? So, oh, yeah, interrogation room. Now, time to go to cell.

I got nothing else to talk about. I'm in the cell. I hear the door open. My cousin Cody come back in. I guess they found out he broke his face in like two places. I'm like, fuck, y'all. Like, they got us like, and he's trying to, I don't know. Like, I forget if he tried to talk to me or not, but I was, I'm not.

I know this shit is bug me here. I'm not saying shit. They're talking about he might die. So that's the part. This is the part where I wanted my credit because you should never fucking. If you engage in stuff, you don't do nothing. You're not ready to. And that lesson time, a quick side lesson.

You don't do nothing. I'm not ready to take the consequence for it. If you don't know the consequence for it, you definitely shouldn't be doing it. These kids these days are crazy. But I wasn't planning on killing nobody. So, now's the time to talk because this manslaughter is not looking too good. You know what I mean? And I held it down.

And it was tough. It was very tough. But I found out like a day or two later he was good. I ain't a lie. I went home that night. I was because once I got out, like, I don't even know how long it was. probably five hours or something. They had the money from the loan,

but they couldn't get to the bank. I forget what it was, but they had it worked out with the bondsmen. They came and got me. So I go home that night. I smoked a lot of party. I didn't smoke nothing. I just went to bed.

I woke up the next day. I'm like, shit was a bad dream. Like, that's how I felt. Like, it was this airy pit in my stomach. Like, damn. I really, because my boy Taylor, right, I always following his foot. I'm like, I had to follow him this for, right?

I had to. I'm like, I'm an idiot. not that I'm blaming him but it was my I shouldn't know better but it was just like damn I really had to find out for myself I'm definitely going to jail

I know what time it is so we're fighting the case um they try to say one to five fucking excuse my language they were like uh you know the PSI which was

flawless it was beautiful you know so I think it put out to one year eventually but um in that year that we were out fighting the case my young boys is going absolutely crazy and I can't even we don't have time to go through it all right now

they stole like 15 luxury cars oh wait I'm sorry quick backtrack so I went back to South Camp one night a teacher comes in he tries to say they basically say close your laptop lights out rule they haven't enforced this rule

September is January I sit up and this is after my case, I go back to school, after I catch the case. While you're fighting your case. Yeah, so I got out, I go to school like the next Monday or whatever. I sit up. I look at him, I go, and he knew what happened. Like, you haven't enforced this school all year. Everything going on me, now you're going to bother me.

I said, if you come take this laptop from me, I close it. I said, if you're not going to come take it from me, close my door. So I didn't threaten him, but it was a little tense. So the next morning, the forum dean came up to me, and he was like, look, you're not getting kicked out of school. We love you. We know you're a good kid. We're going to transition your credits so that you're a senior.

We're going to send you work from home. This is why it's good to be good to people and show them the best version of you because they'll look out for you. We'll send you math and English from home. We finished a couple packets. We'll send you prep school diploma in the mail. I'm shocked they didn't kick you expel you for getting arrested for this fight. They're like it has nothing to do with school.

But it's got to be all over the news and whatnot, right? But at Stanford upstate a little bit. They don't really, I mean, they knew. They kind of turned a blind eye. Yeah, yeah. So, um, back home now, right? Because this is how I got, now I'm home every day. Mm-hmm.

Got, so now I got a whole spring, summer, and fall before I'm going away. Imagine the parties, you know girls love this shit. It's pathetic, but they love this shit. We're all getting in trouble. The parties, we're lit. These dudes are stealing cars. And you're a part of that? Which part?

You're a part of stealing cars? So this is the thing. I'm not directly involved in a lot of these things I'm about to say, but I just want to give you idea of like we weren't just some like Mallebus most wanted shit bro like this is like we were really trying to get financial gain um they they were they had stolen guns from a home couple home invasions a lot of this stuff was already settled so it's not like i'm telling things people don't know or anything um home invasions get kidnapped dudes for drugs even on a smaller scale high school i remember they leave a dude in his boxes at the bus stop because he thought he was going to sell

weed a west hill like these are high school kids do it dude's his cruel man dude's high school kids do with Our team was pretty cold, bro. But like I said, we're not thugged out killers, but we're pretty cold, bro. Like, but we had friends from the hook because everybody went to school together and party. You go to a party up north in the woods. Everybody's going to beat it from everywhere. There was parties with guns got pulled out up north. Like, you never hear of something like that.

That was, you know, not to be discussed further, but like, just to give you an idea of landscape. Like, it's not just a bunch of, you know, rich kids thinking they're badass. Like, it's everybody's hanging out together. everybody benefits, right? Because it's like, and not to say that I wasn't genuinely friends with these people, but everybody benefits. The dudes from the hood would love to ride around the kids' BMW

and go to the mansion party. And we would love to have kids from the hood when these dudes try to mess with us when we go to a party out of town and we're washing them up. So it's like everybody's benefiting. It's fun. We're having good times, great times.

Just on and so forth with all the, there were so many more things. So a couple weeks after I left school, I got a call from I'll stop playing stupid we did this situation it was mainly my other right hand that was still at school

the one I was telling you about he orchestrated for them to basically get the school van that followed like the hockey bus they bring like the equipment they had this like $30,000 van

like a Chrysla van or something they figured out how to get the keys overnight we had this young kid that loved us we definitely corrupted and we did I'll say it

we corrupted and it was bad dude stole the car I'm home though so I'm out of picture They can't say it was me. My boy, D.A., they convinced D.A. Because D.A. knew his way. He was a Bronx guy, so he knew, like, he always went to Yankee Stadium stuff.

So he knew the area out there well. We were going to go to Jerome Ave and chop it. You're going to get, like, 15 racks for it. So I get a call from days like, yo, I need you to drive my car to the city. What risk is this for me? I take his car out there. I just need you to follow me, pick me up, bring me back. Got a couple racks for you.

Three-hour trip for a couple thousand. We out. we go up there we bring the car I never step foot in that car if anybody from my school sees I got love for them never stepped foot in that car but I did follow

the kid who stole it was driving my boy was in Shottie giving them directions we go to the chop shop we found a chop shop through somebody or whatever we go to the chop shop they negotiate 15 grand they park it you know away just in case they're on some like police stuff whatever

they park it down the street they go to bring it but like New York so loopy with the turns and the no turn this way, left on left, whatever, they take a wrong turn and get pulled over on the way to chop shop after negotiating. I'm like, damn. Not answering, I'm like, what the hell is going on? I'm sitting in like the middle of the, I think that's the Bronx, I believe, yeah, Jerome Ave. I'm in the Bronx, I don't know what's going on.

Come to find out they get booked. I hear a cop answer. I know it's a cop. You know, older Caucasian male, I'm like, oh, shit, I hang up. I'm like, we out, we leave. Find out they get booked for Joyriding. They don't know that there. we were going to chop it.

So the chop shop guy was good, but just made a stupid turn. But just to give you a sense and I thought it was funny, you leave Prescott and you're trying to freaking take the van and stuff. We're just little assholes, but there was financial gain

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selling bud because when I came home now I'm like I don't got no money I'm home we're partying all the time and I racked a couple thousand up like it wasn't like I was just blowing everything but you know you you get a couple ounces. They called it Piff back in the day. So this is where I was telling you where, again, we'll bring back to the Dominicans. My God,

I love my Dominican. So much, I really do. I haven't heard the word Piff in a while. That was a thing in high school. So you know about the Piff. Okay. So my right, basically,

I would consider my right-hand man at the time, and I'm pretty sure he would consider me one of his aces, you know, the wreck plug, Washington Heights. So I knew him for a little while at this point, but he was known, too,

that, like, if he didn't like you like that, He'll go out there with you. Yeah, you want to get some Biff. All right, let's go. Go on the building, never come back. See you in Stanford. See me when you see me.

It is what it is. Why get your hands dirty if you don't have to, right? Like, so he could back it up. And he, you know, he had the resource for sure. But it's just like smooth. He's a smooth cat. So smooth cat, same way. Like when we used to ride out there, we'd be like 17, 18.

They had like a 35-year-old, like somebody's wife driving us. Like, so he was smooth. You know, it's my guy at his day. He's a smooth, dude. He actually did 10 years. He came home now. he's doing his thing. He drives cranes in New York City. He's doing his thing. I'm proud of him. But yeah, he did 10. He was a wild boy.

So yeah, once I went two or three times, I'm like, all right, like, just send you with the bread, bro. Because I'm like, I'm not about that Rikers Island life, right? Like being accountable, knowing what you can stand, what you can handle. Don't get yourself in too deep. So after two or three times, knowing my money was safe, I'm like, all right, bro, I'll just send you. So you to bring my stuff back. I wasn't any, like, big time. I'm selling dubs, ace. but you were stretching it because it was such fine you know you're selling 0.80s for 20 like you were you were killing them it was good you're probably get 35 bags out of an ounce probably doing like

probably like four ounces a week you know like make a couple thousand spend some money you got free weed like you know whatever trying to kind of stack up so I have someone I get home to like whatever so all that crazy stuff going on they start catching cases basically it's going to happen we're all going to jail at the same time um

what I think that's pretty much it and then so now it's sentencing um Did you, there was no plea deal for you? So it came to, the final deal was one year. So they wanted jail time from you? Yeah, you know, they make it sound like it's, but you know the lawyers, maybe, because my wife, my wife works in the courts now. This is your first offense, though? Yeah.

Is it because it's a violent act that they want a jail time for me? Violence on school property, he was younger. I guess I get it. And I got double time, too, because I got a year, my Cody's got six months. They were 16, like I said. But I was fine. Like, I understood. I was going to give me nine or something.

I'm like, damn, double. Like, that's crazy. But it is what it is. You know, you try for like a T.S. or something once you get in there nine months. But they weren't having that because of it was violent. You weren't scared at all? Um, I knew my older brother figure got through it.

You know, he was tough, but he wasn't the toughest guy in the world. So it's like, all right. I knew I was going to know some people. So I'm like, you got to play your cards right too. I was taught that. So, um, we, we, well, this. another reason this is funny part too. We get sentenced. My Cody's went in the month before.

I have my Christmas, my birthday, New Year's, I'm away. I go January 6th. I'm not, they're crazy for going before Christmas. They want to get out the way. Six months will be home by summer. So they were already in custody, but we had the same date. They bring me in it. My cousin Cody got sentenced to the same day. He took three for one punch. He's a mean punch. He comes in later to us. My brother. It's like my little brother. We get sent the same day

You know mad support Good friends Coor Room Packed It was like a movie It was crazy We get taken away And it was cool Because we got to hang out early

It didn't really take me into like two I was hanging out from like 7 to 2 We were getting lit It was fun I went in I mean you know Try to be fun right It's freaking crazy to say

But I get brought in the back Now here's the thing I'm 18 Am I going to county Or am I going to MMI Gladiator school Right That's the same I'm in

That's what every single person says. Yeah, so I'm like, but this is the thing. Everybody else is going to gladiator school. So do I want to go share a cell with somebody in my dad's age and county? Or do I want to go with my guys to gladiator school? So I was kind of like, all right, whatever happens, happens. I kind of wanted to go with my friends, I'm going to be honest. So they put me in a grown man cell in the court, like when they took me in the back.

I'm like, fuck, they're about to take me to county. Damn, all right, well, whatever. I heard it's chill over there. Whatever. I weigh a couple little while, whatever, they take me out. You know, it was like eight guys on the chain or whatever, the thing, whatever, the multiple cuffs. They put me first, but I'm by myself. They take me out by myself.

I'm all right. And I see my guys in a cell on the way and that were in custody. They already been down for like a month. They're smaller than me. They're not like, not that size is everything, but I'm more ready. I'm older. I'm stronger. I've been training for like nine months since I called my case.

I got back and trained heavy. He wasn't training me for no 12-round fight. He's trained. Calazines in Noroc. He's a legend. My bones is all. shins, I was doing Moitai at the time too. 30 seconds trying to get you out of there.

It's not no playing around that. That shit had me in killer mode. I was ready to go. I'm like 19 and a 21 facility. I'm a big fishing in a small pond. Let's go. I know I got 80% of them. There's going to be 20% still monsters.

There's nothing you can do about it. But I'm like, I feel confident going in. So they put me on the chain. My boy, Banger, he was from one of the projects. I grew up with these kids. That was the first hood I used to go to when I got my license. Like I'm going to the hood and show my boys. I'm from Kahn F, but it's sad because later I got cool with these guys in the village,

and those guys ended up gone out and gunking along. So I don't want to say one side and not the other. You know, I love all you guys. It's not. I don't never pick sides. I always stay neutral. But my buddy Banga, I haven't seen him in 18 months. He comes walking up like, yo, hair all along.

And I'm like, yo, this is crazy because I know he's an MRI. I'm happy to see him, but I'm going to jail. I shouldn't be happy, but I was happy to see him. They chain them up next to me. Then they take my Cody's out. They chain. So it's like eight, nine people on there. and like six in them is my boys.

And they're in between me and anybody else. So how much more comfortable could you be on a ride to jail? So we're all talking shit. Like we're fucked. And then a dude on the other side is like, like, because they had the double side of the ice cream truck. Some dude we couldn't see, we didn't know. Like they figured out my name was Jerry like,

don't cry, Jerry. You're going to be all right? Like they're just fucking with me. And so I'm like, man, I got my gods of me right now. I know I'm good right now. So it's real when you get there. The guys in custody is your sandwiches back to your seat. cell, it's just me and my cousin

now. And they just brought in like 10 dudes from Hartford that just beat the dog shit out of somebody and they are turned the fuck up. And they put us in the cell with these dudes. Me and my cousin back to the back on the wall, they're looking at us, they're fucking with us. Oh shit. And the guards must have peeped it because they switched us out of there.

We didn't say nothing. We were ready to do it if we had to, but I mean, ready. We got washed up. But, you know, you would have had to do it because if you don't fight back, it's only going to be worse. But they put us in the cell like over there. Did you say they called you Harry Potter when you went to jail? Yeah, they were called me Harry Potter, dude, we don't all fucking fuck Harry Potter, right?

They figured they started that shit once they put me another. And I had all types of friends. By they, I mean those 10 individuals. Respect to all backgrounds. I had every type of friend you could imagine growing up. So by they I mean those 10 individuals. So, you know, the Harry Potter bullshit. And now I'm in others telling me, all right.

I wasn't saying shit when we were over there. I'm not even going to lie to you, but it was funny because I was like, you know, look, you know, just like, oh man, this shit is crazy. So they give us our stuff. They will, so NYU is there's a main building and then there's cottages. So you got to go outside to get to your unit. People out the window, fresh meat, all that. You know, it's a kid's facility.

So, you know, growing, you wouldn't play that shit and growing. I feel like dudes would probably take it really serious. So even though you were 18, they still put you at a kids facility? I had, so I took the year to fight the case. I turned 19 in December. So I just turned 19 when I went in. It's a 21 and under. Okay.

And only had a year. So figured I'd probably be there the whole time. You never really know. They can move you any day. That's the thing about jail. It's weird. They could pick you up and move you whenever they want. So we go to intake.

Nothing too crazy. You know, I had a pretty wild sell. He was my boy. My boy, Casey from New Haven, if he ever sees his shout out to him. But he was wild. The first, like, almost problem I got in there was this tall dude from Waterbury. He was probably like seven feet tall. This dude was huge.

But he was like a skinny as hell. But like, a Caucasian kid but tat it up looked like he was probably like in the bloods or something. He was definitely a gang kid. So my boy. Casey's little, he's at the door. The other dude's like peering down. He's huge. And my boy goes, it says, yeah, my boy said like, you know,

you look like a Q-tip or some shit. I didn't say it, though. I'm like, come on. Like, why are you doing this to me? So I'm like, I'm like, can you please tell him? I didn't say that. I'm not trying to go to segregation. But I heard that shit is crucial that when they put you in the box,

I'm like, that's the one thing I was scared of in jail was the box. I'm not scared of another guy. But I'm like, yo, I'm not going to the box because you just told this dude I called him a Q-tip. Can you please tell him? So he let the dude run his mouth What, what did he say? Dda-da-da-da-da.

So then, Kesey goes, Matter of fact, he didn't say that? I said that, what's up? So it was funny. You know, stuff like that, Bully or whatever. So the kids run in his mouth. This is the first crazy thing I saw.

The kids run his mouth, some other kids. He's just, this tall kid is out of control. So he gets into it with the kids from Bridgeport, from PT. They're young boys, like 15. He says, like, word to my mother. I'm going to smack the shit out. And in there, you say, word of your mother. It's like, if you don't do it, you're soft,

basically, once you say that. so we can hear them through the vents because we're on the other side and like oh breakfast he's always because there's two of them dudes from PT he's like they're done for so it just so happened they switch them over to our side before a wreck

because it's intake so this shuffling dude's left and right so excuse me so they switch them to our side right before a wreck so we don't gotta wait till breakfast now we're about to see us go down right now and you know like I said we came up charged up again and fights and I'm down to see a little scrap let's see it

so the dude tries to come out And the one dude is like stocky. He's like a short, heavy stocky kid. And another kid was a little, little, they're both like kind of short fat kids. But the one dude was stocky. So when the tall dude comes out of the cell, the little dude runs up,

what's up? What's up? He goes back in his cell and he closes the door. He got him to go back and cell. He goes up to sale like, yo, you forgot to pop his door. So they pop it. And they're like, oh, what's wrong?

Why didn't you come out? He was shook. He was like, oh, I was sitting on my bed. He didn't know what to say. So he comes out slow. In jail, you probably notice. you're not supposed to sit on top of the table, right? You sit on the chair part, right?

And so he sat on top of his feet on the stool. Big mistake. I guess they didn't see him, so they didn't tell him to stop. So the one dude, the other dude's on the phone. He's not really on the phone, though. He's just pretending. So then the dude goes up to him to stocking away. He's like, you say he's going to smack me, white boy.

He turns, boom, cracks him. He goes flat on the table. The dude drops the phone, comes running up. They swing him sideways on the table. So now he's on flat on the table like this. They're beating him out of his pants. They ground him by his ankle, one got him by his face. They're whooping him.

He's red in the face. They drag him off the tape on the ground. The ones who are just standing over him just wailing on him. He's sitting there pants down here running in the face just like this looking stupid. So I'm like, first lesson learned. Not that I'm usually a doer or not. I don't like to really be like front line shit talker. But, you know, in jail, I know there's certain situations you could bluff to de-escalate it.

I'm like, I've got to be very careful with this because these young boys just washed this tall dude up and made him look like a fool. So that was the first lesson, right? Like, that was the eye open. You got really be careful how you handle things. And if you handle too soft, vice versa, right?

So they move me up the hill, which is out of the 12 units, you could say SRG gang unit and it was like the worst, but those dudes don't even come out the room barely, right? So it's like the active compounds units, it's top four. Yeah, top,

I'd say three or four. So I go up there and I walk in there and it was, like I said, I have all type friends so it doesn't matter but there was these hudd ass dudes

from New Haven Harford um just so happen to all be African American dudes dudes in a unit and our wing I'm the only

Caucasian and my boy Poppy was Puerto Rican dude and it was it was turned up like I walked in there they off to slamming the cards yelling one dude's in the shower

throwing combos rapping I'm like yo this shit is wild like it's just a lot going on I'm like it should be but it was cool nobody like really did anything I met my cellie my boy Nick from Hartford

Jamaican dude cool as hell Real recognized Real he knew I wasn't trying to be anything I wasn't I got a slapbox with him a little bit wrestle you know earn my respect and then my boy shout out to Randy from Stanford he actually him and my boy Banga Beat up Body recently

so shout out to them God bless them their families I know the victim's families too God bless everybody involved but Randy was in my wing so Randy comes up to my window He used to see me when I would be in the village. So he didn't know me well, but he knew like,

all right, I got to have this dude's back. He used to hang out with us. So I always had Randy, and then my celly and me got mad, cool. And then he had three dudes from his hood in our wing. So off the strength of me being cool with him, they were solid. So I had like five, six guys that were tough-ass dudes that were rocking with me. So one of the dudes, quick story, he had half a thumb and a glass eye. he's like yeah you see that dude right there

yeah somebody stood over him with a shot this is my boy's best friend my sally somebody stood over him with a shoddy try to blow his head off that was the result he said yeah remember when max b was in hartford and his DJ Messiah got robbed he's like yeah he's the one who did it so I'm like okay this is this okay so this is now where I'm in real compound right

I'm seeing well first I mean I see my my sally one day he pulls out of Pem he goes look at this shit pose the pen open as a fucking needle sticking out of it it's a one hitter you can't really you could get one good shot with it

because you gotta like use like wet tissue to kind of mesh it together and keep it so it's sturdy for one good one but he had a little one hitter in the cell so I'm like alright I'm here a month I'm already seeing pokers now the thing that I liked about those though I didn't have one personally

but I'm missed it I don't want to get cold no contraband to go to the box guy I didn't show it but like my boys that I trusted a little bit like yo even if we got to, can we handle this in the cell? We got to fight, whatever. I'm trying to watch my TV, eat my food,

because my time is flying like that. I'm pretty sure it's not going to go as fast in a room with nothing for a week, staring at the wall talking to myself, right? So I knew with those little pokers, the vents, you could dump it in the vent. It fit, because it's from the, you know, the battery needle thing, right?

That trick, you never heard of that? You could use the stool because we had stools attached to the table in the cell. You could pry open the battery and there's a little needle inside. So then they take the pen out the pen, it'd be like the outer structure of the pen, and you tuck the needle with the top,

and they take, like, wet tissue and kind of, like, bind it. So it'll be good for one shot, like, I guess, whatever. I wasn't planning on poking anybody, but it was while I seen it. I'm like, damn, I hope you don't put it under my bed or some shit, line me up. But I was like, fuck it is what it is. Not long later, a couple, probably within, like I said, this first couple months, then he coming down to the table at a chat.

I'm sitting next to my cellar. He opened his bun, his weed on his truck. So now I'm seeing drugs I'm like oh shit this is crazy I find out the kitchen dude was doing his thing He was there for like three or four years He was getting contact visits He was getting it in

Were you getting picked on it all Because I feel like if you were this jittery And excited over it at this time Yeah they would have had like a target on you I think I will say this When I first went to I I'm really excited right now

So I might be a little more excited than usual To be honest with you But they definitely remember I said it was kind of wild when I walked in. Our side didn't have Rex, I went right in the cell with my cell, and they were out, and they could see in my shit, and he could see him my shit. And one dude, I remember he came to the day, like, he looked nervous.

I was. I mean, it's my first time on Compi. It's like, how much buildup to get to this moment? And it's like, but at the same time, like, I know I just couldn't, like, you can't cower. Like, if something happened, you've got to go back out of it, and that's the only way you're going to get, that's the best way to get through it in these situations.

I basically said I got to revert back. I know I can't be this way anymore. I got to change. Like, that part already entered my mind. Like, I don't, I shouldn't be in the situation. That, I'm better than this. That, that had been hit my mind. I'm not an idiot.

I'm a smart kid. But you also got to get through what you got to do. So, like, I knew I had to keep it edgy for sure to get through this, this stuff. So, you know, they, they knew, but I settled in pretty quick. And once I got cool with the right people, you good at that point. So my Selle, the Jamaican one, he, there was this other. dude, his name was Angelie, he used to wear the green jumpsuit. The green jumpsuit is high

bond. So that means you did some shit. Or you either tried to escape or you did some shit. I found out that he had beat a dude to death with a two by four. So, my cellie's funny because he was really like that. My son, he's like, man, you know, F him. I don't know if a lot of curse, but I was like, he's like, F him. Like, man, I used to fucking sister. You know, like, he ain't hard. Like, you know, he's not like that, basically. But I'm like, all right.

So me and my boys from home, we would, so we could go see each other on Sundays we go to church. So this is relevant. So we sit down at church. I'm sitting next to my cousin Cody. And who comes walking up to sit next to Cody? Angel, the murderer, the, the, the, the, he got manslaughter. I think he got 25.

So the murderer comes up. There's mad seats. Like, it wasn't like there wasn't a lot of places to sit. So I'm like, oh, shit, I already know what I'm, I already know what's happening. He goes up to my cousin. He goes, oh, what's up, man? What's your name? We went here for it.

He doesn't like a salt. But he knows he's getting checked, but my cousin's not a smooth talker. Like, I'm the one who would do a talk in a situation like that. My cousin's just going to pop when it's time to go. Like, he's not a good talker. So my cousin's kind of, yeah, like, yeah, I got six months. He's lying. So him we really got three.

Just like trying. I'm like, I see where this is going. So he goes, he goes, you know what I'm here for? My cousin's like, what? It's like, murder. It's like, see that watch? He's like, you should let me get that. Because I'm going to be here a lot longer than you.

I'm going to need it more than you. I know my cousin's gonna... Not that he was scared, but it's like, he's not gonna know what to say. So I'm sitting right there. My cousin's here, he's there. I kind of just lean forward and I'm like, bro.

I was like, just so you know, bro. And I was mad, respectful. I'm not even gonna sit here and act like I got a gangster with the dude. I just let him know, basically like... I basically don't talk to him like he was dumb, but letting him know that I understand how the shit works.

And I basically said to him, look, man, there's a problem with that because that's my little cousin. And I can't let him give that to you because if he gives that to you and somebody sees it and then he goes back to his unit, they might try to get him to give him something else. Man, I can't have my

cousin in that situation because I'm not in the wing with him. We're in the same college, but he's in the other wing. I'm getting word to him and stuff, but I'm not directly next to him. I can't protect him personally. So I'm like, so I can't allow him to give that to you because then he's going to be in some shit when he goes back to his unit.

Like, you know, we don't want any problems or anything like that. But I'm just letting you know that he's not by himself, so we can't let you take it. And I think, and we were jeered up about it, like, quiet. Like, not making a scene, not, you know, trying to just handle it. And I think he respected that we didn't make a big deal out of it. And he kind of realized, all right, this dude's looking me dead in my eyes. He's dead ass not scared of me.

And I knew, I had the drop on him, and I knew about him a little bit already. And I think he probably thought to him, so I'm going to look awfully stupid. If I get the ever-living shit kicked out of me by these two white kids in the middle of church in front of everybody. Like, right? Because they're not backing down. and he was honorable and he just he moved on it wasn't like a big deal I'm not gonna say I punked him I definitely didn't but we just held our ground and it worked out in our favor so eventually I find out these kids from New Haven because

now commies coming right things like that I get a CD player I can see dudes at the door looking oh man here we go my cellie's like we good you don't got to worry about none of that but I did hear that when I go to court the New Haven dudes might try you but his court wasn't for like a little while so I'm like oh man now I'm stressed I'm like damn I don't go to Fox, oh, here we go. You know, like, if it happens, it happens, but I'm not trying to, but whatever. So, like, I think the next day he was supposed to go, they, like, changed his date. He didn't go.

I'm like, oh, thank God, right? Because there's definitely luck and hands that you're dealt in these situations that get somebody that really, I don't even want to say like me. Even people that, because I'll say I was more built than a lot of other people, too. People, if you play your car, you can get through it. You know what I mean? And, or even with some lucky, lucky circumstances. So by the time his next court day came,

they just so happened to move me. And this is on my father's grave. I didn't snitch nothing. They're like, oh, they're going to get me. Nothing like that. They just so happen to move me. And that was it. So now I'm in a different unit.

And I'm not going to create a whole new network. You kind of got to start over. It's kind of annoying. But, you know, I was solid. I think I had my young boy, Brooklyn from Stanford. He was over there. So he was already kind of tapped in. So, you know, the same thing.

You know somebody. It kind of helps you get your feet wet. Over there was more wild Like young boys running in cell, snatch and stuff But they were only doing Like picking on like the weak ones and stuff I think when I first got to that unit The craziest thing I saw

It was not craziest but it was pretty disrespectful Dude from Wilton Another wealthy town He got caught for selling some coat So he's sitting there talking like Oh yeah I got six months Yada yada yeah What's sitting there like six months

Like does he not realize that that's like I'm thinking six months for coat You definitely told on somebody You should not be saying that So these dudes from Bristol They were Caucasian dudes But these are my boys They were roughest out

They were from the same hood as Aaron Hernandez They're wild My boy Randy So they're playing nice nice with the kid Meanwhile they're making a concoction cup With everything in there There's the semen and piss And they call them to the door

When they're yo mihole at you I gotta tell you son Yo come here Splat right through the door Seamen piss all over his face and he was, I think the day before he got the argument, somebody behind the door, he's like, I'm like that, he was making a whole scene,

they splattered him right if he didn't do shit. So, like, it was just stuff like that where it's like, it's sick, it's disgusting, but it's kind of funny because he was running his mouth crazy. So eventually I'm there for a long time in that unit. I get moved to the A wing, which is like, well, workers wing. So I get a job. And so a lot more came with that.

And another sign of, too, there was a pedophile because I didn't want to get by this part because I know people want to hear what happened to pedophiles in jail. There was a pedophile dude. He was there for a while, the same unit. Because there was one wing, it was kind of like, I was on Kalanapin.

So, like, it was like a medication unit, but there was, like, the shit on the wall wing with the child molesters and stuff. Then there was just, like, the wild, like, my mother's need their pills wing. And then there was, like, the worker wing, which was, like, the most normal wing. And there was actually some pretty,

Tough dudes I met over there too. Like, I think, I think that wing, that unit was slept down a little bit. But my boy Ace was, he was like the head of the whole unit. I'll get to him. Well, he's part of the pedophile story, actually, so it's perfect. My boy, Ace, he was like the first man in the kitchen, top job in the cottage, biggest, baddest dude, been there the longest. You don't play with Ace.

I'll tell another story why you don't play with him in a minute. But one day they run in there. Ace's thing he'll wrestle with people like jokingly. So the kid had a game voice that they were plotting on him. It was like a $3, $400 item. He running, Aces, wrestling him. The other dude ran in, snatched it off his bed. They took his, right?

So, oh, ha, ha, we're joking. Next thing, the kid come out snitching, big freaking rat, freaking sicko. Whatever. They got back for that. Not Ace, but the other dude got back for it, whatever, whatever. But to tell you a quick story about A. Just to let you know how tough this dude was, because he had beat a couple people up.

We had, you know, the copper wire from the converter box. You guys had the converter boxes for your TVs and feds. So, you know, the thick wire from the tremors that gets you, like, all the channels. I don't think the dude knew it was our cell, but I'm sleeping when the Aces is out of work because I was afternoon shift, and I hear somebody at the window,

I look, and I see the dude leaving the window. I knew it was, but I'm like, this is probably funny. Why would I say something? When I know if I tell Ace, that's his wire anyway, I know A's going to handle it easily, no problem. So instead of me being like, hey, motherfucker, give my wire back, all right, I saw you.

I tell Ace, Ace comes back. Where the wire go? Corey and C-Wing took that shit. Boom. he walks off. He goes over there. He starts pressing him at the window. I heard what happened. I didn't see it. I heard he was pressing at the window. They're denying it. They don't know. They don't know.

Corey Selly was our other boy who was a worker too. So he comes up later in the story too. So Ace comes back to the cell. He's tight. The dude's cousin comes over, talks to them. They slide the wire back. So we're in the cell. Ace is tight. And then the dude's cousin come over with him. He goes, easy.

Ace, it slides it under. But this is how wild this dude was because when he left the cell, he said, he said, You don't give my wire back? When I see you outside, I can punch you your shit. Where to my daughter? Walked away.

They didn't even wait for a response. That wire came back so quick. So this was my celly. This was my road dog. So that's kind of how I got held down to A-wing. Same thing, slapbox. This dude used to pick me up, throw me on the top bunk. Beast.

I was probably like two. I was putting on weight too. I was too 50 when I left. So he was a big boy. So, yeah, so that guy. And then there was, okay, so now my Albanians come to the unit. A couple of those guys got,

locked up too. This is when it gets crazy. So they got my one boy in the city with my mother boy 50. He'll be in the story later. He rest of peace, 50 he passed away. And I'll get to that too where a bunch of guys where I was in that unit with for six months. They're all, like a lot of them are dead now. So we'll get to that in a

minute. But 50 comes in. So now we're kind of awesome. All right, we're back. Like we're wilding. One day when I'm working, I get called to go up top. I probably had to meet with like the the medicine person of the reason I was in the medicine

was for court it looked good oh he's never been through anything like this before I think I was actually selling him but then when I was in jail I was taking him because I was like

I'm gonna be fucked up for a little bit this shit sucks right so I'm probably getting called up for like a med visit or something dude comes in my cell and tries to sneak me he was one of the other workers

I guess he was trying to take some of my commie whatever so we kind of like engage you know details of the details we kind of scuffling he actually tripped me on a bed I do the good old classic spineromically

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redeemable with $20 rewards dollars in your loyalty account at participating locations, terms and conditions apply. Like the other workers. The big dude, the dude's cousin worker, he's a loud amount out, he watched, Ace Watch. They saw me, they heard the commotion

and saw me wash him up. So they're like, oh shit. Like, he could hold his own. But this dude was from the south in Hartfordo, Puerto Rican dude. So his other boy was in our wing too. So he was also a worker. Yeah, they both had jobs.

So the other dude came into myself later that day And was like, yo, and I was cool with dude Like we had no problem He comes to me, he's like, yo, cell clean up next week We gotta catch the fade because He's from my hood, I don't like that You did all that extra shit at the end Like you didn't have to embarrass him like that

Like you're trying to play my hood or some shit He's like, we're good but like we definitely got to catch that So I'm like this is weird Because now I'm cool with dude But like I know we got to fight I'm seeing him every meal It's a little weird But he wasn't like

You gotta remember I was doing this shit I'm my athlete bro Like you've been riding in here for like three years. You don't even work out like that. Like there's no way he's fucking with me. There's no way. Absolutely no way. So it's not even a situation. It was more dangerous to the other situation because I didn't expect it. With him, it's like, how do I want to do it to him? Like, I'm not even trying to be cocky. He just wasn't that tough. How am I going to do it to him? But I think he thought

like Caucasian kid, oh, he's a target. He didn't see the fight either. So I don't, I think, whatever. So he comes in, but I find out the day before, remember, I don't want to go to the box. I find out the day before. Last time he did a lockup with somebody and got washed up. He told him. So I'm like, damn, the whole point of locking up is to avoid going to the box. If I'm not clear, locking up is when two inmates come to cell

and you just fight and somebody kind of keeps a lookout and you get it on. You kind of push the door to. Tight little space, you get it rocking. So the dude comes in, he got this mean look on his face. And when he's seen my real stance

because, you know, I'm training for years, but I was a second-degree brown belt before I played hockey. So I've been fighting my whole life. Like, he walked, he's seen my little box. boxing stands, bro. I've seen his face shift from trying to look tough walking into like, oh, fuck. And I three-piece him so fast. But my plan was, don't put him out or hurt him or like, I wasn't

really trying to bruise him. Just touch his face as much as I felt like it. Just show him I could have, I could do what, not that I'm like this, but I could do whatever I wanted to him. Put it that way. Could be his daddy if I wanted. And just to prove a point so I don't get bothered again. That's really, as I'm saying, you got to get into kind of a sick space, right? So I I piece him up. We're kind of just tussling whatever. See, he ducks out. He acts like he's just sitting there talking because the door was blocking.

So you duck out. See all walking by. Came back in. I literally did the same three pieces, opposite hands. Caught him again. Boop, bo,

he did push me up on a desk at one point and kind of catch me in my forehead because I was kind of backing up. And then the desk was low, so I kind of like went on top of it. That's when he caught me because I hit the desk. But then after that, same thing. Spenorama works like a charm in a cell. I'm telling you.

Hit him with Spinarama. I hit him I like push his hands up hit him in his stomach Then he drops his hand I go to go high And I literally stop the hook Right in front of his face

I didn't want to do it to him I know dude We're cool I was like You've been done bro Get the fuck out of myself Turn around He rabbit punches me

Like four times In the back of the head I turn around laughing They're laughing at him But me You got your shit off You good Left it at that down

Then it's Sally The big dude The worker dude He came up to me out I seen what you did That was some real shit That me up I'm good

Right You gotta be smart bro You can't be a fucking idiot. I'm trying to get through this shit and get the fuck home and move on. You really do remind me a 1090, Jake, when you're sharing these present stores. Really? That's so crazy. We live in all this shit.

So yeah, at that point, I was pretty much situated. They rotate the COs. So now the CO that came to arguing and knew me from I up the hill. So he's like, I mean, I was always respectful. Like, I'm not going to be an asshole that copprennery person. Like, how if I'm going to get my door open? I got to be nice to this guy. You know what I mean?

So not nice, but like, respectful, not like ass kiss and snitching or anything like that, but just cordial. So he knew, all right, I'm cool. My last name is Ormond. So he's like, I'm cool with Ormond. Let me get control of the unit through him because he seems pretty situated. So he would use me and he'd say, I'm fair. Just don't mess with me, whatever.

Ask Ormond, I'm straight. But, you know, just, when I ask you to do something, do it, you know, that type of thing. So he would come in at three. So as he came in at three. my door opens handles and windows my mom you do not need to clean

handles and windows every day but he'll pop for me every day that's my guy so I'm starting to get that juice now like and we're rolling up we're being fat asses

I gain 50 pounds I'm working now we got a nice little regimen I'm rolling up mungos we're fat asses we're working now we're just blowing up

so like you run out of materials sometimes so I got the juice where I could be like yo Lopez can I go the S's the CO can I go to B wing

I need to grab a bag of chips I'm sure I need you know comedy comes Monday I gotta roll up tonight bet he'll pop for me I could literally go in there and fight I didn't but like I had it like that one day 50 had a problem with somebody I got the door open 50 went in there got it in

so we were doing our thing we were holding it down for Stanford we made us look good my other buddy mirrors that he's over there sea wing he almost gets into it the dudes I get into it too it was a whole thing we we got through it it was fun um some of the other stuff that happened when I was there rest in peace 40s from norwalks I got a lot of from my boy from private school. I know a lot of people from some wild places in Norwalk, too.

So that's why I say it like I don't know 40 directly, but I know people close to him. So rest in peace, 40. He was in there in MII, and he didn't take his gunshot medication. So he died, I guess, gangrene, right? Whatever they call it. He died from gangrene in prison?

That's when you don't take your medicine that gets infected, right? Yeah, I mean, I think gang green can, yeah, it can form from infections. Something like that. Whatever it was he wasn't taking hit. He got shot before he went to jail. He had medication. He wasn't going to medcore.

And he died from not taking the medication. So, and I actually ended up getting cool with his cellul later to him. My boy, Javanna, he was, that's he found him. So, like, imagine you locked up. You was 16 years old. And it's what I'm saying, man. Like, people think being gangster is cool. Imagine being 16 years old you locked in a room to do.

And you shake him to get up for dinner and he's dead. Like, this shit is whack, bro. Like, this shit is crazy. But that was one of the wilder things. they locked us down. At one point, everybody's worried about me because SRG made the news at home.

They popped the door one day and wanted to, when SRG do stabbed the CO, locked us down again. So, like, that was a big thing. Like, oh, my God, I heard COS get stabbed. Like, we're nowhere near that,

the gang unit at all. But, I mean, there's definitely gang members, but it's not like, you know, I guess Cali, like, they, like, proclaim it, right? They'll make it known. You want to kind of keep it quiet unless you want to be in freaking...

SRG is basically the box. You might be able to get, like, commie and stuff, but you ain't going nowhere. So it's like you're better off. There's a lot of dudes who's blood and stuff and they just kind of, you don't really talk about it too much.

We know who's who, like especially if you're from the town or New Haven, Hartford, they know who's who is like, doesn't really need to be like reped necessarily. But what else? I mean, there's so many for your stories. You got any questions about the youth facility?

I kind of, I like your questions. No, I mean, you covered all, you shot off all the stories. I'm not going to lie. I went through it, man, I was giving you your space to just to name them off. It's better that one when you share complete stories like that. Yeah.

Because you get everything that was on your mind and whatnot. Yep. But it's interesting hearing like your perspective from the youth facilities because we've had had people on the show to kind of give us insight from like this youth facility that you're explaining the, what is it, NYI, right? So Manson Youth Institution. It's basically if. That's like Cheshire.

So Cheshire's the adult facility and it's across the street. Okay, got you. Yeah, it's got quite the reputation. Yeah, I mean, I just, I have, I'm, I don't like, these generations not as tough as us, man. That's just my opinion, but. So you had quite the wild year. Back then it was wild. Yeah, and I mean, there's so much more stuff. It's like, even with the job, next thing I'm like, I'm taking out the garbage.

I'm sending radios over to my code deed because his guy from his guy just coming out. I'm sending, you know, so it's like, you're moving things around comp. I wasn't like a drug dealer or anything like that. So you end up getting out after a year? Yeah, so, which was funny, I got served with the papers for the lawsuit on my birthday, December 20th. Oh, they hit you with a lawsuit? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm getting these gangsters, man, I don't know what's going on. They sued you for the fight.

Yeah, you already got, freaking dude, thankfully, because my life was in jeopardy, because of the prior gun threats and them wrestling over the waistband, my life was at risk. So my homeowners, parents' homeowners insurance paid $60,000. Oh, really? Thank God. He got 160 racks, a new Audi, trying to flex it. a drug dealer around town. Do you ever think your life would be different and you would have saved yourself a lot of pain had you been able to continue your hockey career?

Absolutely. Absolutely. But I'll say about this, I would have never met my wife. Because like the time I was home and I met her, I would have probably been away that weekend or something. So now I got my kids. I wouldn't. Yeah, sometimes our greatest pain brings us to our thought sometimes it's all the time, but our pain brings us to where we're supposed to be.

What's something you want? your kids when they eventually watch us one day to take away from your story. And just do the right thing the first time. Save yourself the trouble. Yeah, I mean, and, you know, even my daughter now, I'll see little temper moments, stuff like that, and I'm all in it.

Because I'm the kid that was in those little classes. I know what they're going to tell you to do. And I'll work every day. I'm never going to give up on my kids, my family. If I got to do it every day for the rest of my life, sit there and pull my daughter aside and have talks and be there for her and, you know, calm her down. If she's feeling upset, we're going to figure it out.

It's just that's where my head's at. And even the other day, my cousin Cody, his like best friend, OD. I'm on the phone with him for three, four hours, FaceTime hanging out. He's in the freaking house. The guy's dad is his gun license. They got like 20 guns in the house.

But he's so cool with my cousin. He's just letting him in, whatever. So my cousin's at the kid's house by himself, drunk as a skunk. My cousin has, you know, we're Irish, we drink. drunk as a skunk with the on the camera

I said Cuzz Put that shit back Get in the car And get the hell out of there now Because I didn't trust Where his head was that Because my cousin

Can be bugged out too You know we all go through things Right Get out of there cuss Because you don't need to be around that Get out of there now And he went and chill with his brother So it's like who knows

You know what I mean Maybe it sounds a little dramatic He's probably fine But you never know bro My cousin's been through a lot too So like And you've been through a lot too so like And you've been through

a lot. Yeah, so it's like, but this is what I'm trying. Just anyway, I can help. I do what I can, but at the same time I got my own stuff to do it, so people understand that. But that's what I'm on now. Well, Jerry, thank you for coming on the show and sharing your story and your journey and your growth. You've definitely come a long way. It's an honor to be here, bro. It's a pleasure to meet you. It's a good time.