Locked In with Ian Bick - Police Hit & Run Leads To NINE YEARS In Prison | E.I The King

Episode Date: February 6, 2024

Stephen Testa enlightens us about his adventurous past, marked by a penchant for high-speed pursuits and police chases. He'll delve into the circumstances that led to his imprisonment, offering a firsthand account of life behind bars, including his experiences with the infamous "booty bandits" and snipers in prison. Get ready for an eye-opening look into a world few have witnessed from the inside. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Connect with E.I The King: https://youtube.com/@TheIncarcerationPodcast?si=jw_RirFb78o3pj-g https://linktr.ee/3eitheking/ Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Life Behind Bars and High-Speed Chases 00:03:57 - The Incarceration Podcast 00:07:30 - A Kid in Search of Validation 00:10:56 - Finding Purpose in Life 00:14:23 - Spiraling into the Streets 00:17:50 - Going to Jail on My 18th Birthday 00:21:21 - Conducting oneself in prison 00:24:39 - The Nightlife and Altercations 00:28:09 - High-Speed Chases and Facing Prison 00:31:25 - Facing Charges 00:34:47 - Respect in Prison 00:38:15 - Lack of Manners and Disrespect 00:45:20 - Gunnin 00:55:36 - Dealing with Bandits in Prison 01:00:06 - The Rising Cost of Goods in Prison 01:02:29 - A Divine Intervention During a Police Encounter 01:05:42 - The Message of Redemption Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I get out for six months and I go back in and do a nine piece, in which I had to do seven years, eight months. So 12 total. How do you get the nine piece? I accidentally hit a cop with a car during a high-speed chase. Wait, what? Yeah, I accidentally hit a. Shout out to all law enforcement officer.

It wasn't intentional. You got to share this story. On today's episode, I'm excited to have Stephen Testa, better known as E.I. the King as my guest. Stephen will enlighten us about his adventurous past, marked by a pension for high-speed pursuits and police chases. He'll delve into the circumstances that led to his imprisonment, offering a firsthand account of life behind bars,

including his experiences with the infamous booty bandits and snipers in prison. Get ready for an eye-opening look into the world few have witnessed from the inside. If you enjoy the locked-in podcast, remember to leave us a review on Apple or Spotify and subscribe to the Ian Bick YouTube channel. Now let's sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with E.I. the King. How do you get the nickname E.I. It stands for eternal influence.

It's like my rap name. I like that. E.I. The king, but just E.I for short. Yeah, I saw the E. That's what we talked on Instagram, right, first. That's where I connected with you. Yeah, yeah.

Awesome. Yeah, sometimes people, like, fill out the form online and they have to, like, bump it up. I try to go through as, like, many of my Instagram messages as possible. But something, like, there gets to be so many and this and that. I feel bad when I don't respond to people to. Yeah. But I'm working on it. That's real.

But, yeah, I, thank you so much, man, for coming out today. You had a long journey to get here, man. Of course. Where'd you come from? I came from Tampa, Tampa, Florida. Tampa, shout out to Tampa. Yeah, shout out to Florida, man, yes, sir. Did you grow up in Tampa?

No, I'm originally from Houston, man. But, I mean, I was raised in Florida, Sarasota County. So I think my mom divorced my father when I was three, and then took us to Florida. So I grew up in Florida. I went to Houston for the first time, this time last year, and I loved it. But I like Austin more. Yeah. But Houston was fun.

Yeah, Austin's dope, too, but I just love Houston, though. I'm there every month. I record in Houston music, so I'm there all the time. It's a different kind of vibe in Houston. It's not as, like, crazy as awesome, I guess. It's more laid back. Nah, I would say the other way around. Oh, it's crazy.

Yeah, Houston's live. Yeah, Houston's crazy. I guess where I went, it wasn't, like, all, like, compacted, like city-like. I forgot, what's the famous area in Houston? I'm not good about cities or anything. I don't know. We're talking about as far as, like, downtown in Houston? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't even know. Yeah, it was like where all the Airbnbs are, like, kind of like, outside the city a little bit. Oh, I don't know. Yeah, I couldn't tell you. But anyways, man, yeah, thank you for coming, man. It's a pleasure.

I think the audience is going to be excited to see all, like, the knick-knacks you brought on. It's going to be a very special show. Yes, sir. And excited to jump into it. Of course. And I think you had something for us you want to get into. Yeah, I was just telling you, bro, because, of course, you know, I want to share my experience in prison, you know, in all my prison stories.

But it's kind of hard for me to do that unless I, like, tap in or lock in, you know what me from my prison experience. And part of the way that I do that is I got to throw on the uniform, dog. You know, so if you don't mind, you know, we can go ahead and put on our Florida chain game blues real quick. What, do you steal them out of the prison? Man, I can't give you details how I got them, but I got them, bro. What do we got?

Oh, man. Brought the whole outfit here. These are Florida. Florida chain game blues. It's just a one piece, right? Man, I feel like a, what is it? like a dental hygienist or like the scrubs doctor right now.

R.N. or something. Skyler, how do I look out there? Angle's still good? I got my brother working for us today. It's his first day on the job. So hopefully he doesn't screw up and get himself fired, you know? So what's the impact for this for you?

Why these? Yeah, the reason, because I got my own podcast, whatever, and I tell prison stories. You got to plug it. What's the name of it? Yeah, of course, man. It's called the incarceration. podcast and I'll just talk about how prison forever changed my life you know like as far as my experience

you know in the past the present today and then as far as like in the future you know just how throughout all the years of me being incarcerated over 12 years being institutionalized at the young age juvenile programs juvenile detention and then of course adult prison for 12 years how that you know radically transform my life you know so whenever I put these on and I keep my ID my Florida DC card and my wallet at all times and I do it to champions in what I experienced, because ultimately the Lord transformed my life while I was incarcerated. But it's something that I will never forget, and I purposely will never forget. It's my why, and the reason why I do everything that I do.

That's awesome, man. People busting my chops all the time for carrying around that card, because I have the federal inmate one, the red one. I added my wallet for a while. I had it in my car, and then now it's in my office wall. But some people don't understand unless they've been there. It's symbolic. I'm never getting rid of that thing.

Exactly. Even though it says I'm like 6-2 on it, which all my friends are. Friends Doe is the biggest crock of shit. I'm 5-11. You know, you've got to round up. So, yeah, tell us about where you came from, like your early roots. Where, like, what was childhood like for you? Yeah, of course, man.

I think a lot of people, they can look at me, they see me tatted with braids and I'm a rapper and I'm kind of like gangstified, whatever, all the years in prison. People would automatically assume that I come from like poverty, stricken community. I come from the hood and that's not the truth at all. You know, we're lower middle class. but Sarasota County in Florida is one of the richest counties in Florida. And the city that I grew up in, I grew up in Sarasota County is Venice. So this like retirement village, nothing but old white people.

You know, so I was brought up, you know, in the burbs. And I was an athlete, the majority of my childhood. Father wasn't in the home. I found my identity, my purpose, and my belonging on the football field. Long story short, just because my pops wasn't in the home, looking for like affirmation and acceptance from older men. And my homeboy's older brother was a big dope. boy, he'd come to the football games with a mouthful of goals and chains on.

I was the lead to the football team, captain of the team, so I was naturally a leader, but I've seen the leadership that he had in the streets and how everybody looked to him. And it was cool to me. You know what I mean? It was like attractive. And of course, with hip-hop culture. And long story short, around 13, you know, I started smoking weed, drinking, fighting a lot. Shortest kid on the football team, shortest kid in every grade, hit puberty late,

short man complex. I felt like I had to prove my point to everybody. Not only was I fighting a lot, but when I started smoking weed, I realized that I could actually smoke for free if I sold it. Then I realized, not only could I get weed for free, but I could make money. And then I realized I could also be a leader in the streets. And that began to like slowly, well, not slowly, but quickly, lead me to spiral out of control. Fighting a lot, getting expelled from high school to high school, going to juvenile programs,

juvenile detention, and just getting institutionalized at a young age. And, of course, selling marijuana, immediately switched to selling pills and cocaine and crack. and just hanging out with a whole bunch of older OGs in the streets. And I'm super young. But to me, I'm finding and I'm looking and I'm searching for my validation and my fulfillment in the streets. And of course, because I'm ineligible from school, getting expelled, I can't play football. That was my new purpose.

Was a street lifestyle and just spirited out of control. Do you think if you had that feeling of like acceptance and whatnot and maybe even popularity or you got that attention, you wouldn't have traveled down that path? I mean, I was super popular in school. I was captain the team. I was a star like Jock when I was younger. I think, you know, when you're a kid, you're not consciously aware of, like, how you feel inside.

You're just like a broke hurt kid. You don't know why you're acting out. You don't know what you're really looking for. Looking back now as a mature man, healing and, like, progressing past it, I can look back and analyze it correctly. But then as a kid, I didn't know. I was just a hurt kid. And I think it was really just, you know,

just me looking for, you know, validation from probably like older men because I was looking for, like, a father figure. So I look up to like the dope boys and I didn't have to, you know what I mean? I put myself in that. I thought it was cool because it was glorified from hip hop culture. And I thought my cousin, like my homie's cousins and my dog's older brother. I thought they were the coolest people I knew because they were older and they were getting money and it looked flashly. You know what I mean?

So I think I was just attracted to it. And I willfully, you know, chose that route. And I think that's totally normal too because a lot of adults don't even know how they were feeling as a kid. And they don't even face that until they're older. Yeah. Because when they act a certain way and their relationships or their friendships or their friendships, now and they're like, oh, that's triggered by something from my childhood. That's when we're diving into it.

Yeah. That's what you kind of see all the time. That's what like when you go see a therapist or whatnot, they're trying to dig out what affected you in your childhood. Yeah. And I think that's important element to the stories that we share on this because you were, for the most part, a normal kid. Like however people came to judge you later on, that wasn't you in the beginning. That's like ground zero. That's your starting point. Yeah. If we had like your best friend with you today here at the studio, what would he say about you? What are like three traits or four traits he would say about you? Number one, he would say I'm crazy. I'm a lunatic, man. Even now, I still do a good outside of the

streets. I'm still crazy. I'm a goofball. But especially back then, I was wild. And it didn't care. But ultimately, it's because I didn't care about myself. You know what I mean? I realized that again now. I didn't care then because I didn't care about myself. I was just throwing everything away. So he would say, I was crazy. He would say that I'm a visionary. I'm a go-getter. I'm a hustler. I was a dope boy then. And now, even though I don't hustle illegally, now I still hustle. legally. So I'm a go-getter. I'm a visionary. I chase. I run down what God bursts in me for vision. I don't stop. I'm consistent. I think I'm the hardest work I personally know. And I think my best friend would say that about me too. Also, too, as far as most importantly, you know, the faith

aspect of my life, that I'm a Jesus freak. You know what I mean? I'm obsessed with Jesus. God transform my life. And not only do I radically pursue Jesus, but God uses me to now reach the streets with the gospel. So I'm missional. You know what I mean? I'm a preacher. I'm a pastor. but street pastor, you know, so, and then maybe lastly, um, weird, I'm a weirdo. We're all weird. We're all weird. You're in our own ways. So, yeah. Do you think if you had that passion for your faith back then, it would be different?

Like, it seems like maybe before you were chasing something different now, you have something good to chase, which I relate to in a lot of ways because I believe in what I believe in and I'm very, like, spiritual and, like, I believe everything happens for a reason and whatnot, and I chase after that, and I live by that. So is that something similar to you? Yeah, I would definitely say it would probably prevent it me. But I tell people all the time, like, because I go into prisons now. I go to prisons throughout the nation and I speak.

I preach and teach and perform and all of that. So one thing that we always champion in our ministry block us when we go back into prisons, we tell the dope boys, like, yo, that's a God-given gift. We just perverted in the streets. So I think likewise with myself, like the hustle ambition, the being wild and crazy, robbing people, kicking indoors, whatever. Those are like courageous gifts that God gives us naturally, but we just perverted in the street. So yeah, definitely when God began to transform my life and I discovered my purpose, that became my driving force in life.

So I think before that, there was like a driving force based upon the God giving gifts, but there was no like end aim. I didn't know what I was chasing. I was chasing street fantasies and it did nothing but lead to destruction. I was chasing the wrong thing. The driving force was towards the wrong direction. What do you think would have been like a great program that could have had to offer you at school that could have like kept you on track? Because we have a lot of, like, teachers and therapists and professionals that watch a show probation officers. Yeah.

And that's what they're curious about. They want to know what they could do to change someone's life. Of course, a principal in ministry is called native on native. That's the best, like, effective ministry. And what they mean by that is like, for instance, prison ministry. The best prison ministry hands down is convict on convict. And not a convict from the outside, but inmate-led ministry. Because they live together.

That's the most impactful ministry is like the inmate organization. organic led church inside prison. But also the ministries coming in, the most effective normally are the fellow convicts when we come in. So I feel like the best programs that schools or prisons or jails could offer is to find these youth, these young boys or girls who are starting to get like distracted with street lifestyle, whatever it would be, is to find men and women who they can look up to that they can identify with who's been there.

They're not going to listen to some teacher and he ain't ever been where they've been at. They know what I mean? They need to look up to people who look like them who've gone through. what they've been through and people who they can actually look up to and kind of idolize and they'll be able to walk alongside them in my life and mentor them. I think that's the biggest thing man is mentorship, actually investing time with people pouring into them. I agree. And it's the lived experience aspect, which is why I think I find myself in such a unique position because it's not every day you have a podcaster that is able to build a platform where the host is someone

that has been to prison. And I'm sure you can relate to that because you have your own podcast too. but there's very few of us in the world that are like that, that have these platforms that are setting a positive message. I'm not talking about the platforms where it's like you go on it. It's just like glorifying. Yeah, great stuff. I mean, we've been talking, you know, like almost 20 minutes in it. We haven't even gotten into the prison stuff.

Yeah. So I think there's a power in that. And as I get older and as I continue this journey, I'm kind of learning how to harness that and realize like that there's a voice to be used here for a lot of good. And I think that's what keeps me going to. For sure. bro. Shout out to all the convicts out there who're doing right with their platform, man.

I love that. That's the brand. Forever Convick, bro. We champion where we came from. Oh, that's your T-shirt? Yes, sir. That's a brand. You gotta get me one of those. I'll rock it on the show. Forever Convict, man. We champion where God delivers and transformed. I like that. Cool. And we'll plug you at the end of the episode too. But for people listening, you know, we'll have like your link in the description and everything and whatnot to your podcast, your website, your social media, all that. So where do things start to take a turn for the worst? Because it's not the end of the world to sell some weed. It doesn't sound like you were like a kingpin at that age either, right? Yeah, you were just a typical person. Yeah. Well, how, I mean, first of all, how normal was it to sell weed back then?

What time period are we talking about? Yeah, so I was probably 13, 14, so that I'm 23, so that I had to be like 0, 0, 3, 04. It was really like the summer break between like 9th grade to high school, excuse me, eighth grade to ninth grade, you know, middle school to high school, is really when things started spiraling. So, I mean, of course it was common, you know what I mean? But I, but I, I think that I immediately started selling like pills, like Adderall, Xanax, and then cocaine, especially crack at a young age. You know what I mean? I remember taking the bus to the hood in my city and I'm like at the trap or on the block

with these older dope boys who are in the late 20s, you know, young 30s or some of these guys were 40 years old. And I'm a little white boy from the suburbs, you know what I mean? Who's forcing myself into this environment? And I already knew like everybody my age like from the hood. So people already knew who I was. but I was intentionally like positioning myself in like the worst possible circumstance in life.

You know what I mean? Because I wanted to be a dope boy. Scarface became my favorite movie. Whatever like I think a lot of comics, we have like a no, we have like a balance problem. We don't understand moderation. We either all the way in or all the way out. You know, so I was all the way in the streets.

You know, I wanted to be, you know, Scarface. I wanted to get as much cocaine and crack I could. So I'm selling dope. You got a young age on the corner in the hood, you know, serving cars coming through. and trying to buy large amounts of cocaine and figure out how to cook it. You know what I mean?

So anyways, I was never the big kingpin, never, you know what I mean? That was always the dream. You know what I mean? Around like 16, 17, I buy like ounces of cocaine and things like that and get it cooked up and, you know, sell crack. And once again, too, Sarasota's one of the richest counties in Florida. So we didn't like petty hustle. You know what I mean?

Everyone's chasing money, like money, money, money. You know, most of the clientele, they spend a lot of money. You know, they're business owners or, you know, they're addicts, but most of these, like, clientele that we had, they're functioning addicts and they're spending a lot of money. But I would say things really started spiraling. Lots of places can expose you to identity theft. Oh, no.

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Terms apply. Like I said, I got expert from school for fighting. And then whenever I was ineligible from football and I lost my purpose, I forfeited it because of me being in the streets and not having good grades is I didn't have an outlet anymore. I didn't have a purpose. I didn't have an identity. So, you know, my full new identity was, you know, the streets. And that's when I just start caring, you know. And I remember, like, being in my first juvenile program.

and it was like a six-month program based upon points. I kept failing every week just because I'm being crazy, cussing out the police and fighting and getting in trouble. And we had to go to counseling every week. And I remember the counselor sat down with me

at one session. I never talked. I'm a hot-headed jit, not friendly. I'd sit there with a little etch-a-sketched and want to say nothing because you mandatory have to do it once a week. And I remember I had to start over

this six-month program and I'm already at my fifth month because I kept fighting. He told me I had to start it over. And he was like, Stephen. He's like, why? do you keep fighting? I never forget. And I remember looking at him with tears of my eyes. I'm like, bro,

I don't care. I don't give an F about anything. And I genuinely meant that. He knew I played football. He said, well, listen, the football, you give football your A game. Why are you giving life your F game? And I didn't say anything, but I remember going back to my room in that program and something began to turn, like, that I think I really began to, like, become aware

that I didn't care about myself. And I was throwing my life away. And, of course, I didn't change routes. I just kept spiraling, you know. Do you think that if you were given a second chance at football, it would have been different for you? Could you have avoided prison? Or were you destined to go down that path regardless?

Honestly, I probably, even if they'd let me play football, it probably would have helped maybe detour the intensity of how fast I spiraled. Because, you know, I went to prison at 18. My graduating class was walking, getting their high school diplomas. I'm walking down in prison hallways. You know what I mean? Getting in my GED. I think it probably would have slowed it down,

but I was going to prison, bro. I wanted the streets. I wanted that lifestyle. That was inevitable for me. My mom called me my 18th birthday. She said, just so you know, I'm not going to bond you out. I'm like, dang, ma'am, that's my birthday. She's like, I'm just letting you know.

You're going to go to jail. You're not a kid anymore. You're going to go to the adult county jail, and I'm not going to bond you out. 18th birthday. Shout out, mom. She's been riding with me forever. Let you, ma'am.

What a phone call. You use the word Jit Camp, and that's something 1090 Jake said all the time. on it and that's a I'm guessing a Florida thing Florida thing yeah what's a Jit camp I never got to ask him about it but I'm sitting here like what the fuck he keeps saying Jit like a thousand times shout out the 1090 man but not for the convicts and especially the Florida prison system so in Florida they have what is called Jit camp it stands it's just no jit's like a Florida slang but in the Florida criminal justice system they have a youthful offender program where when people go to prison

for their first time and I think if they're under the age of 25 rather than going to an adult prison they can go to a youthful offender prison, which is still adult prison, but it's 25 and under. And they do that to protect the youth from like the booty bandits. You know what I mean? Like these old school convicts

who've been taking booty, their whole bid, you know? So they do that to protect them, but in all actuality, Jit camps are way worse. You know, it's Gladiator School. That's the nickname for it. So you can either get sentenced

to a youthful offender prison from the judge, which normally you can get like, I think you can get a lesser sentence. That's normally like, route to kind of take a plea and kind of get spared from the court. Or even if you don't get sentenced as youthful offender, like, I didn't get sentence as youthful offender.

I took an adult plea. I'm like, I don't want to go to Jit Camp. You know what I mean? I want to go to the adult side. But even though I didn't get sentenced as a youthful offender, the state, Florida Department of Corrections classified me as a while because I was 18. So right when you go to Orlando, they say, here go. He's a red hat.

Jit. Go to Jit camp. Did you experience any booty bandit scenarios? Oh, not at Jit Camp, nah. I had maybe some, some, like, awkward moments. I was a confinement orally. Normally, like in prison,

especially in Florida Department of Corrections, whenever you start doing things on your jacket, they have you keep doing that. So I was always a confinement orderly. So I went to prison three times. First time, 18, third time, by the time I was 23. So every time I go to prison, because they always seen on my jacket,

I was a confinement orderly. So I think I just remember one time. obviously whenever you grow up in the prison system you know there's booty bandit so being a young white boy you got to have like a unit on your face you know what i mean you got it because if you look scared and if you look weak i mean people are going to pray on that you're shark bait you know so i think you know above all you being a young but once again too i live the street lifestyle so i was of course internally yeah i'm terrified scared you know what i mean but you just got a you know kind of put the mask on but like i said the confinement story i think the one moment i can really remember being tried i'm passing out

You know, because the confinement orally, you go to their cell, you know, in confinement, and you put the trays in their flap. And I forget what he said. He said something. He's like, ooh, you know, some old school black dude, you know, he's like, ooh, white boy, why, you know, saying something crazy. So I kind of ignore that first when I hand him the tray, but while I'm walking down the hallway, I still hear him saying something about, like, how fine I am and those red lips or something. So I remember after I'm not passing out trays and I made sure the officer went at the officer station, I pulled back up on the door. and I banged on a glass of come here bro. I said, don't ever disrespect me like that again in life, bro.

Don't ever. He said, all right, my bad respect, respect. And because you got to do that. You know what I mean? Because if you don't say anything, even though he's in confinement, he's behind a door, still you gotta have that, you gotta operate like that in prison.

You know what I mean? Even if I wasn't on that in prison, God transformed my life in the chain and I was doing ministry work, but still you gotta conduct yourself like in an assertive way you can't let nobody disrespect you. So a confinement orderly, doesn't they have a lot of position of power because you're like that middleman, middleman to get notes to people. Of course they're shooting kites. Yeah, they're shooting kites.

And for anyone that doesn't know a kite is like a message, contraband, I guess, if you have to. What are some situations you've been in as that? Yeah, honestly too, bro, I used to face conflict for not shooting kites. You know what I mean? Because once again, like I was sharing with you before, while I was incarcerated, and I counted Jesus for real and he completely transformed my life. So I'm trying to do right in the side of the Lord. So the best thing that I would do for the guys locked Because, of course, you feel for them boys. I've been in confinement.

I've done three months before, behind the wall. You already know how it is. It sucks. So what I would do, I try to look out for everybody by passing out extra trades for free. You know what I mean? Because I'd be blessed. I have money on my books.

That's a hustle as a confinement orderly. You sell trades. You know what I mean? For stamps or for hygiene or whatever. So I'm just blessing them boys. I'd take, like, one day I'd switch each cell door. And I'd just give just random trades. And I try to keep it even because I go to each door the next day.

But yeah, some guys would get upset with me because I wouldn't take kites back there. But for the most part, whatever pound I was on, like I had a reputation. Everybody knew who I was. I wasn't, you know, like I said, I wasn't wild and out, gang banging, living some savage lifestyle. I was authentically following Jesus, and it was real. And people knew that. And if anything, I ministered more to the gangbangers.

And I had relationships more with the guys who were the violent ones on the compound. So everybody knew how I was living. But there were times, especially when I was younger to where people get pissed at one, bring back kites or whatever. But the worst position than that, I was a butcher, man. A butcher in prison? Yeah, well, they not really don't give you knives. They just call up the butcher man in food service because you're in the freezer and you have like all the hamburgers, all the chicken and all that. So that was a more conflicting situation than anything because.

You're probably making bank. Well, that's where everybody wants to steal at. You know what I mean? So if anything, while like I said, I was trying to do righteous in the side of God. I didn't want to steal. I didn't want to like, you know what I mean? Help people by stealing. So I had to stand in the pain as far as like standing on righteousness and doing right.

that's where I actually learned to become assertive for doing good. You know what I mean? I mean, I've always wondered, is it technically stealing if you're taking that food that's in like the prison kitchen that you're literally getting paid, sent to work at? Like being in prison is one thing, but they're not even paying you a fair wage. Not even in Florida. You don't get paid at all. You don't get paid at all?

Unless you're a canteen man or a shoe shine guy. Yeah. So I don't know if that's technically, I guess it goes on both ends. I feel like maybe it's stealing if you're taking away from another inmate. But a lot of the times they're just giving tiny-ass portions. And it's not like you're taking food out of the mouth of another inmate at all. Of course. Yeah, but what I meant by those, they're trying to take, like, cases upon cases.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, I eat as much as I want everybody does back there, you know, but they're just trying to, like, they're trying to steal the whole freezer. I remember guys walking out with raw meat, like a brick of raw hamburger meat or something. Guys would throw that in the microwave. Yeah. So 18, you go in, and then you go in again between 18 and 23. Yeah.

These are just like short sentences, right? Yeah, the first bid I did two and a half years from 18 to 20, two and a half years. I get out. I was only out for eight months. I went back in, did another two years. I get out for six months and I go back in and do a nine piece, which I had to do seven years and eight months. So 12 total.

How do you get the nine piece? I accidentally hit a cop with a car during a high-speed chase. Wait, what? Yeah, I accidentally hit a shout out to all law enforcement officer. It wasn't intentional. You got to share this story. Yeah. Remind me to tell you too

How I got handcuffed out here this time And I felt like it was a redemptive moment for me To be able to like show love to the police So for the first time of my life I get out of prison the second time And bro I'm genuinely trying to follow Jesus and do right So I'm not in the streets I refuse to sell drugs

I'm trying to be a father than my kids and do right So I'm actually for the first time I'm life Working a job I'm roofing And I'm going to church I'm not really involved in ministry But I think something I missed out on because I grew up in prison in juvenile programs. I never really experienced the nightlife.

I've been to a club and strip clubs a few times, but I was more trapping and getting money than anything while I was out. So I never really experienced the nightlife. So a lot of my homies who I grew up playing football with, they went to college and they came back to the city and they're like ex-frat boys. So they go out all the time and drink.

So rather than hanging out with my homies who are in streets, I try to switch my peer group again and start hanging out with my dogs who play football with because they're not in the street selling drugs. So now because I'm hanging out with them, Now I start going out with them on the weekend. So now I'm going to clubs and bars all the time. So long story short, you know, just me being a fighter and being aggressive naturally,

even though I wasn't living that lifestyle anymore while drinking, it would be common to where sometimes I get in fights or altercations at bars and clubs. So this particular night, I get in a fight in the club. I get kicked out of the club. And then keep in mind now, to this day, I have no memory of this night. This is just what I know from my paperwork and from what people told me. Only brief flashes. So I get in a fight in the parking lot

and knock out a guy he's left unconscious. While I'm leaving the scene, this is where my paperwork says. While I'm leaving the scene in my vehicle, the police officer standing in the road screaming for me to get out of my vehicle, I won't move. He says I rev the engine.

He draws out his firearm and then I floor it and then I hit him. He rolls on top of the car. It's supposedly trying to aim his firearm within the windshield and then I throw him off the vehicle by turning the wheel. I try to hit another police officer and then put him on a high speed chase.

and in Sarasota, Florida, there's what there's called Royal Palms. They're like two stories high and they're like palm trees. Then they're like this thick. So I derruded two of them because I was going like 90-100 something and then Nissan Ultima 2009. Derut two of them. My seatbelt snaps

airbag doesn't deploy, ejecting from the windshield, however many yards. Femar snaps through my thigh and I get a bayflatter to the hospital. You got ejected through the windshield? Yeah. Holy shit. So because of the car accident, I don't remember anything. I wake up in the hospital.

By the way, none of that happened. I barely nipped the officer's leg with the vehicle. That's what from people who were there that night on the strip scene, and like, that's what I heard. You know, but to this day, I have no recollection of that entire night. I have brief flashes.

Throughout the years of incarceration, I would have dreams of brief flashes of like the accident and things like that because I guess I lost my memory from the accident. So you're saying the report is different from eyewitness accounts? Yeah, of course. What do you believe?

I don't believe. I would never gun them down intentionally. I believe that he walked in front of the vehicle and I didn't see him and accidentally hit him. He didn't even get hurt. He had minor abrasions to his leg. Even under the use of substances, you don't think you would have done that?

Nah. I've always been crazy, but I had no reason to, bro. I mean, it would be different. I went to prison the second time for a high-speed chase. And I know I'd do that because I had a whole bunch of dope in the car. You know what I mean?

So I had to get rid of the dope. Well, allegedly. You know what I'm your second high-speed chase? Yeah, I've been in, I've probably been in three or four. You're the high-speed chase guy. I was known for that. I had a car full of dope.

They wouldn't get the dope, but they eventually catch me, you know. In Florida, are they allowed to continue the chase? Like, I know up here, they have to stop after, I think, they can't pursue you. I've never had them stop chasing me. So they continued to chase you? Yeah. Where they throw a spike strip? Well, no, because remember, I hit the palm trees.

No, I'm saying the first time. The second time went to prison. No, I totaled the vehicle. I had a 99 Cadillac DeVille, and I totaled it in 41. And I had them, like, on a foot chase for like three or four hours. They had dogs, helicopters. And they finally found me like four hours later and sprawled out on the ground.

Oh, man. And then just with masks and the dogs. So what's the logic behind getting into a chase like that? Are you just trying to save yourself at all costs? Well, yeah, and because like I said, I had dope in the car. You know what I mean? If I get car with the dope or allegedly what could have been in the vehicle, you know, then that would have been a lot more time.

You threw it out the window? Allegedly. But listen, back to the last time I wanted to prison where they hidden the cop. Yeah, so they're hitting the cop. Bro, I wake up in the hospital and the ICU. bro, three days later with two officers in the room, cuffed to the bed, I wake up, remember now, femurs shattered, all messed up, I'm banged up. I wake up and I see two cops in the room and I'm

like, what happened? What happened? And they're like, you about to get life. So I'm like, what happened. And they refused to tell me what happened. So the nurse is coming in. I'm like, you got in a car accident. So I'm thinking about my homies who I was with that night. I'm like, are they all right? Are they all right? She's like, who are you talking about? You're about yourself. I'm like, what about the person I hit? Are they okay? She's like, you didn't hit anybody. You hit a tree.

So now I don't, I'm clueless, bro. You know what I mean? I'm cuffed. I'm scared. I know I'm going back to prison. So then the detective comes in a room, I think, like, the next day. So right when he walks in, I said, bro, I ain't got nothing to say good. I already know he's trying to, like, give me to say something.

So he stays in the room and he's talking to the officers. I think he was telling them the story trying to tell me, hopefully. Like, I would, like, interject or say something. But I'm just playing possum listening to him while he's talking to the cops. and he tell, and for the first time is when I hear everything, and he says that story. So I remember just laying in the hospital bed, like, dog, I'm in the face like 25 years of life.

Because in Florida, they got PR, you know, prison release act to where if you commit one of those crimes, you're getting 15 out the gate, you know? So I knew I was facing a lot of time that time. And where was your, what about your mom? Is she coming to visit you? Is she getting you a lawyer while you're sitting in the hospital at all? Yeah, I talked to my mom.

She's just happy I was alive. I mean, shout out my mom. I love your mom. She's a real one. She helped me down forever. So yeah, she got me a lawyer while I was in the county jail. And, you know, of course, I think I had some money put up from like roofing or whatever. And I had one and only plea deal.

And it was the, and this is how I know my case was Boeh-R-Dog. That's how I know I didn't do what they accused me of. Because there was one and only plea deal, which was nine years. And if I didn't take it, the threat was they would HVO me, habitual a violent offender act to me or PR me, which enhances the points. And I'm facing, like I said, at least a minimum 15. My charges was aggravated battery with like on a law enforcement officer, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon,

a law enforcement officer, aggravated battery on the civilian, whatever. So I'm facing 66 years just with these charges. So they had me on my lowest permissible points, which was nine years. So that's how I knew out the gate that, man, I didn't gun him down and he didn't hit the hood, like they said. He just got nipped in the leg, bro. Was there any part of you that wanted to fight the case to get the trial? No, no, no way.

I know there's nothing to win. You know what I mean? Like there's nothing to win with the body cams and the footage. The lawyer told me out the gate, you know how it is. It's politics, bro. It's all politics. Lord told me out the gate, bro, we're not going to deposition any witnesses or any of the cops. He's like, I'm telling you now you need to take this.

Your lowest permissible or they're going to hang you. What do you want to do? It's not if you face time. I couldn't beat anything. Even though I don't remember it, I know I got in a high-speed chase and I still hit the cop in his leg. There's nothing to take the trial because if I lose that, I'm dead. So the lowest permissible, it sounded good to me better than obviously. I woke up thinking I'm facing 25, you know, or at least.

You know, so a nine piece, of course, that's a stretch, but it's better than getting your whole life taken from me. Yeah. So you got the nine years, you signed up for nine years. Yeah. Where do you end up going? We're not going to go. I went to Swanee the first time.

I went to Swanee. What's it called Swanee? Yeah, Swanee, see, yeah, man, the police run that. Swanee sucked. What do you mean the police run that? Well, I got a crazy story about Swanee actually, too. By the way, police, Swanee, super strict. Like every institution in Florida

I think probably in every prison in America You know every prison has their own culture You know and even like sometimes even A dorm can have his own culture You can go to the worst pound in the state And this is the worst most violent prison But if you go to a good dorm like all right You're all right you know what I mean

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But normally those type of pounds are ran by the inmates. So normally when that's like the culture, It's normally better to do time because respect levels high. So as long as respect levels high, it's a good place to do time. But whenever you're at one of these sweet cupcake camps, whenever the police run it, the respect levels low And then like, you know what I mean? It's not good time like that.

So Swanee, the police ran it. but it's crazy a story about Swanee, right? So extortion is huge, you know, of course, you know, in any prison, I'm sure in every state, but especially Florida and especially sex offenders, you know. So at Swanee, I'm trying to leave out the names of their prisons because I go into all these prisons now. So I'm sure it's not ran like that anymore. You know, shout out to all the administration and staff. But you know, that's how you make change by telling these kinds of stories too.

So it's a positive thing because you're not throwing like a specific name under the bus. Yeah, of course, of course. That's what creates a change. Of course, the reform. So anyways, whenever these inmates, like a new bus would come full of like new cocks. You know what I mean? Like new prisoners coming in. They call them new cocks.

I've never heard of that one. Yeah, like, you know, like fish or whatever, some spots like in Florida, like a new inmate is a new cock. So like a rooster or like a deck? I don't know what it stands for. I just call them new cocks. So they're green, you know, they don't know anything is their first time, their first day in prison or whatever.

So whenever the bus comes, the administration will go ahead and let like the inmates know like who the sex offenders were. You know, so they already got a list. All these boys who got sex offenses and what their charges were in details of them. So these guys who would get the list and they would work on their housing, it would be like laundry guys normally or whatever.

These guys were affiliated, gang-affiliated, of course. So they would go ahead and they had like some type of agreement with other sets on the pound, whatever, as far as like, they would share the extortion. You know what I mean? I'm sure it was favored one way or the other based upon who runs the pound. But they would somewhat,

try to keep it fair with extortion. So the moment that these guys, these sex offenders, get to their prison, well get to their bunk in their dorm, they already got somebody pulling up on them within the first five minutes. What's good? I mean, howl at you?

Sit them down. You know what I mean, however they choose to do it with the knife game or a couple guys with them and they let them know out the gate, like because that wasn't one prison, that was like the culture, extortion.

You know, so they let them know out the gate, like right when they got there, like you got to pay the lift here, bro. Like, we know your charges and they even let them know the details. Like so you'll be safe, you know what I mean? But, you know, we expect this, this, this, this and this, you know, weekly, monthly, whatever, you know. So that's one thing about Swanee, man.

They had extortion on lock. As someone that had done time before going into this situation, do you have the upper hand, like in regards to politics, anything like because you're an experience in me, I guess you could say. Yeah, I would say just like, man, I tell people all the time, everybody's prison experience different. It's based upon who you are and how you conduct yourself and how you do. time. If you go to prison, if you gang affiliated, and if you want to like bang out, you're going have some conflict. You know what I mean? There's a lot of chaos going on. So you'll be in the midst of it. Or if you're a guy and you just want to like focus on you, get your education, stay out the way, you can do that too. Sometimes trouble can come towards you. But as long as you

stand your ground and know how to conduct yourself like a man. And I think for the most part, like you're hitting on the head, I'd already done two prison bids. And I tell people all the time, you approach a long bid differently than you would a short bid. Because you're you, you're your short bid is like, I'm just going to stay out the way. You know what I mean? Let me make a home safe. Stay out of the way. You know what I mean?

Stay focused and make it home. But whenever you have a long bid, it's like you're not even thinking about going home. You're worried about when the menu's changing or like how come they ain't calling a yard, you know, or, you know, the next pen pile you can get, the next female to write you or whatever. So whenever you're doing like a longer bid, you're more concerned with like reputation or how you conduct yourself. You can't let stuff slide per se, you know, because that stuff follows you. bro. And once again, you don't have to be the most gangstified, you know, crazy person in the world,

but the ultimate law of prison is respect. So you just can't let anybody disrespect you and you have to be assertive. What are some things that on the street we wouldn't find disrespectful, but in prison, an inmate would find disrespectful. Bro, I tell people all the time. When people ask me, like, what's maybe some of the most difficult things coming home to transition, it's respect, bro.

Because when you do so long in prison, we are like subconsciously institutions. lines because we're used to living to a hostile environment to where the repercussions of disrespect is violence. That's not normal and that's not cool. But when you live in prison for so long, that's what it's like. So out here, I remember when I first came home, I'm like, dog, people are so disrespectful out here, like crazy disrespectful because I started driving Uber and like people.

So, yeah, former convict driving Uber and I still drive to every once in a while. So I remember like, you know, people getting an Uber ride and they can be disrespectful as hell. You know what I mean? It's like, dang. And like, I'm learning how to like buy my tongue and not be assertive or not confront it. But I would just say, man, attitude. People got a unit on their face out here, bro. Like in prison, like the most gangstified violent people are normally super respectful

because they know what happens when they're disrespected. They're going to kill you, bro. You know what I mean? Or they're going to let it be known. You can never try them like that. So they're super respectful, you know? So, yeah, I would say out here, bro, like maybe it's like units. people like sizing people or like interjecting in conversations or being rude or just not being

polite, not having manners. Thank you holding up the door. This little stuff. I don't know. It may be hard to pinpoint. But like in the moment, like you could feel it or you could be like, dang, that was rude as hell. Yeah.

I did the Uber too, so I know what you feel like. And there's a big misconception that felons can't drive Uber. A felon can drive Uber. I think it absolutely depends on the charges, which I'm shocked you're able to do it. No offense. Speaking of the high speed chasing. Hopefully the Uber isn't. looking, don't cancel me, dog.

But that is pretty crazy, you know? The other big one is like Tinder that it says in the bylaws, I guess, like, and felons can't be on it. But I think it also applies to, like, what type of crime you have. That's super discriminative. Yeah. That's can't be on Tinder. Something like that.

Like, if you had a felony conviction. I would understand, like, a sex offense or something. Exactly. And people are rude as fuck driving an Uber. Like, and I don't get the people that tip. Yeah. I'm that don't tip. Yeah.

I'm going to take you the airport And you're not going to tip And you got the corporate fucking car I pick up these business guys And nothing Not a penny It's not even your fucking money bro And you can't even send a tip

It's wild And then even general Like I'm in my apartment building sometimes You hold the door open for someone Nothing Yeah What even look at you You're in the elevator

You're supposed to hold it Yeah Not even a hello Peasant Yeah like at prison You're one walking out, you give a nod, you say hello, you know, unless you don't fuck with the person, but it's just the manners. But then when you go down south, everyone's so nice. You walk in, hey, hello,

how are you, a conversation at the drive-through. Here you go to fucking dug a donut and you say hello, and they're like, what's you want, bro? Yeah, what could I get for you? Hi, how you do it? Like, nothing. So you leave a tip. Nothing sometimes. It's just, man, I get worked up about the manners and stuff because I try to be as nice. You don't know what someone's going through at the other end of the spectrum. So, you know, you just be nice. Cairns, that's where the term Cairns come from. You got all these Cairns of the world.

Crazy Cairns. So when you got this nine-year sentence, do you know how much time you actually had to do on it going into that? Or are you thinking, like, I got to do nine years? Well, in the state of Florida, I already knew you get. I think it's like 10 days a month of gang time. That's all you can get, you know? So I actually remember being so frustrated.

I kind of outside charge and confinement. Well, excuse me, in the county jail. because I was just hurt, bro. You know what I mean? I was suicidal. I was really, like, honestly thinking about killing myself in the county jail. I remember I got in a fight over the phone. I've got a broken leg in the county jail.

I'm in the wheelchair. I can barely walk. I got to learn how to rewalk again and all that. And the guy in the medical cell, like, double-backed on the phone. And, like, you know I got next. And I'm trying to talk to my daughter or, like, my son or sometimes I'm not to my kids. So I snap and I just beat the brakes off the guy in the cell. And he, like, tells on me when he goes to visitation a couple of days.

later and it hit me with outside charge battery of a detainee so i'm in while i'm in confinement i end up taking my plea you know i already knew i was getting it and taking it but i actually get sentenced and that's when it hit and i remember being in the confinement cell like staring at the sprinkler knowing how people kill themselves and confinement cells you know with a bed sheet you know wrapping around their neck doing the tight noose and doing over the sprinkler killing themselves and i remember it's my third time in prison bro i'm 23 you know what i mean and uh i couldn't get it right dog and i was so ashamed i was so disdain i so dissoned discussed it with myself. I was going to miss the entirety of my children's lives,

childhood. And I just felt like I was bringing everybody's shame and I was doing nothing but hurting people. Like people who love me. So I'm like, what's the point? You know what I mean? I'm going to end it. And I remember like honestly thinking about killing myself, bro. But during that time, you know, praise me to God I didn't. You know, it's when like I counted out all my time and how much I do. And that's when I figured out, you know, just from counting my gang time. If I get all my gang time, I'll do seven years and eight months. All right. So I have two questions for you about this. One. Did you beat the brakes on this guy in a wheelchair?

Were you in a wheelchair? No, I got out the chair. I was like hopping around. What on crutches or something? And he could walk fine. He had a broken arm. Well, it says like handicapped people fighting. He could have me with his cast on if he was thinking about it.

If he wasn't willing to hurt his arm again. That's got to be a seed. You've got to get that video. They should have gave me that video. What's it like to be handicapped in prison? Well, I was in the county jail and they had they put you in the medical. It sucked. that way it was terrible because they didn't have canteen

because everyone in there had like people either had broken limbs or they had diabetes and they didn't want them on GP to get whatever canteen so it sucked for me like I said I was on the wheelchair for five months that's a long time yeah and I was isolated in the medical thing it sucked bro but for me

I had physical therapy like twice a day I was able to walk the hallways so that was my freedom I was just out there flirting with nurses and trying to hang out and talk and try to get extra bag lunches you know the nurses are still like little insurers for me. Everyone loved me, you know, because they knew how much time I had.

And I'm out there just trying to laugh and Kiki and hang out and get out to sell, you know. Yeah, you're very personable. But you're also the guy that they got to watch out for in prison because you're always schoozing, you know, work at an angle, relaxing with all the guards and stuff. You got a good way with words. So I bet it's a good way to you. But the guards got to look out for you. Yeah. When you got that nine years and you were in the mentality, you said like you were, you know,

trying to find yourself and figure things out and you want to be on the straight and arrow. Did that make you feel like, you know, fuck this? I'm going back to how I was before. Yeah, yeah. What's the point? I'm trying to do good and it's not working. Yeah, of course, bro. Because what happened was when I was 18 years old, I authentically gave my life to Jesus in the county jail.

I got saved for real. My life has forever been changed. But the very next morning, I got in a fight in the county jail. And I say that all the time because I believe that was a snapshot of how my spiritual journey would be. super chaotic, super sporadic all over the place. And I'll be authentically following Jesus in prison being on fire for the Lord. And I come home and I go right back to the streets within a couple weeks in the month, selling dope, robbing, toting fire, you know what I mean, tripping.

But meanwhile, I feel like it was fake because that wasn't who I was anymore. So of course, especially that third bid, it's like, dog, I felt so fake. I felt so flawed. I felt so hypocritical. And I was mad at myself and that guy. So I'm going to thug this one out. And like, so when I went back into prison the beginning of that, that last bid, smoking weed all the time, smoking K2.

My main aim was, like you said, was women officers. You know what I mean? Any attractive women officer, I'm at the flap, trying to talk to them, trying to get food, trying to get sexual with them. So that was my intent at the beginning of my bid. But that didn't last for maybe about five months until the Lord just kept dealing with me and eventually led me again to repentance and surrender.

Were you ever successful getting with the card? No. You tried? Yeah, yeah. I think in Florida it's called gunning. I don't know what they call another stage. It's like... That's a jerking off in front of the car.

Don't tell me you're a gutter, but... Not a secretive gunner. What do you get a secretive? The secretive gunners are the ones that, like, hide and do it. You know what I mean? So we're like... Are you open gutter? You know?

No, no. You got to explain yourself, but... It's just so embarrassing, but I can't believe I'm talking about this. I'm going to keep with a buck. But, like, in the Florida prison system, they'll call them, like, eaters. You know, as far as, like, the women officers who are, like, they, they want to see it. You know what I mean?

She's known for eating or whatever. So sometimes, like, whenever I was in talking to certain female officers, you know, you don't have the opportunity or the access to bust off and have sex with them or whatever. But, like, they'll, like, want to see you by jack off. You know what I mean? So what they poke their head into the cellar, like, look through the window? Or they'll do it to where, like, they are looking because, like, in the open bays, they can look into the bathroom, you know what I mean, from, like, the officer's station.

So, yeah. So you were one of those guys that was just whacking off in front of these. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not all the time. Definitely not. Occasionally. Did you ask me, did it happen? Yes, it happened.

But I wasn't one of them crazy gunners. Definitely not. You're saying there's two types of gunners. There's the ones that do it to the woman and the woman don't want it. And then now there's this. Bro, it's a sickness. There's this new thing. This is the first time I heard of it where the woman actually want.

It's not new. Where you do it, you whack off at the woman want it. Oh man That sounds so terrible You're saying can a woman give consent To seeing another man whack off? I don't know Yeah listen I'm talking about

Literally the girl that I'm speaking about Like that's like in conversation Let me see you Yeah Unless you want to see it Dude this might be the craziest thing I've heard all year The years just forgetting But listen look about gunning bro

Do there's this bro listen It's a sickness in the chain gang I'm talking you got some perverts bro like they master gunning to like the 10th degree listen so i didn't heard stories now of guys like because you got the coats you got the jackets so some police they're on beat like they won't like if they see of a woman officer sees a guy like with his jacket on with the clothes and his hands down or like in his popping out she already know that he's gunning so she's gonna get on them but this this bro there's this guy and he's known for this he would take like a piece of string

or whatever and somehow he would have this thing to where like the string would go down like his shirt and like I guess he would tie something around like his dick you know and to where he could just be pulling on the string and he would just be standing at the officer station bro listen crazy stories dude this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever sick though but some guys get handled for doing this like they'll get they'll get jumped or beat up they're doing like yeah like some guys they're whaling out they'll go like in the day room

the non-consent gunners yeah they'll just stand on top of a bench and they'll just pull out in front of the lady you know what are the men doing? Are the men like get the fuck out of you? Yeah, some guys will snap on them. Some guys they'll do it like secretly, you know, but some guys who wild out like that. Yeah, normally they'll get like the dorm, the guys would get him from around there. Like, because that's disrespectful. That's crazy. You know, what's trying to bend the corner while you're getting some hot water for your soup and you see some guy on the table with his dick out, you know, beating off to the lady. So when you're doing it, are you like, as the other woman

like making gestures? Like, is she like giving you something back or she just stared there with her mouth open? The specific situation that I'm speaking about is, You gotta break it down for the viewers, man. Yeah, yeah, okay. You gotta explain to yourself. So take it from the top, like, of how the interaction goes down to the end. Yeah, it's just, you know, a continual conversation

with the officer, you know what I mean, as far as, and then, like, you letting her know, like, of course, like, well, I'm trying to, what's up, can we slide to the bathroom, you know? And she's like, you know, it's can, it's hot. They're watching me, do, blah. So they have, like, the showers in the open bay. And, like I said, they can see into the showers

in the open bay from the officer station. So that's normally, like, a classic move. if the officer, you know, is an eater with the guy say, you know. So, you know, that's me asking like, what's up? Can I get the shower? And, you know, she's like, yeah, well, I think she had told me she wanted to see my dick. She wanted to see it. So it's that, you know, can I get the shower?

Of course. And then when I'm in the first shower, she's looking, watching. Listen, now it sounds, I apologize to everybody. I'm not a pervert, man. All right, please. It sounds better because you pretext it with. You guys had an initial conversation. Of course, yeah.

Now explain that these other gunners, the non-consent gunners, there's no pre-conversation. They're just pulled it down and whacking it. Yeah, and they're just shooting. They're just mad gunners. And like I said, it's a sickness, bro, and it's disgusting. But you would still label yourself as a gunner, or do you have a different type of thing? No, definitely not.

I hope not. Do you think I fit that category as a gunner? No, because you just, you explain, this is a little bit different. This is like sexting without the texting part. Yeah. This is like in-person sexting. It's like in live sex cam. Yeah, live sex.

I don't know how you would call it. Yeah, sex cam. Something like that. Yeah. Interesting, man. Crazy. All right. Hold on.

I did think of another story that while we were talking. Yeah, especially because you're asking about booty band is right. So growing up in prison, like I remember I was jit. You know what I mean?

When I started off in prison, not only at Jit camp, but then even going to adult camp, you know, I'm young, 19 years old, so I'm jit. So I remember like the old heads that called me, yo, Jit. But then, you know,

growing up in prison now, like I'm a mature man, so you called other guys, Jit. And then just like being in prison for so long, learning the ropes, understanding how prison works and the politics and all that. Like I said, I was never gang-affiliated. I never wanted to be. I had no opportunities to be. I was genuinely following Jesus,

and my prison journey was a missionary experience able to share the gospel, apart from me falling and gunning or consensually gunning. You know, just genuinely seeing, you know, God impact people's lives and trying to help guys get out this street lifestyle on that thought narrative and help them find their purpose through faith in Jesus. But also too, like you see like a young buck come in. You can tell he's green. You know what I mean? So you kind of want to look out for bro, like telling him like the laws of land and like what to do and what not to do. But there's also a balance of like kind of staying in your own lane and not like treading

on all of people's turf, especially when they're already marked. So this story, I'll never forget. I think it's my second bit. And I was actually about to go home. So I really didn't even want to say nothing. So this jit, they wouldn't right next to me. He's in the bunk next to me. young white dude and he's super cool I can just tell with his personality I'm not really friendly I'm not really talking so I can tell he's a cool dude anyways I see immediately his first day in the dorm

this old booty bandit is a no booty bandit and immediately pulls up on him sitting on his bunk being friendly gives him a couple of cigarettes you know what I mean so you already know he's making his move any convict knows this or anybody in the dorm he doesn't know you know like I said I'm going home I'm trying to stay out of everybody's lane

I'm just trying to do me so I see this I'm like I want to say something to him, you know, but I don't. But I'm going to see how he conducts himself. I'm going to see how he maneuvers. So time goes on, and now I see the jig going to his bunk. I'm like, damn, real, don't do that. You know, so I'm thinking this in my head.

So time goes on maybe like a week or so. And he's like athletic like myself. I'm a workout, you know, buff. So he's working out as well. And he's always like talking to me. So then one day he's like, bro, can I holler at you on the yard? I think he started working out with me in the dorm because I always keep like a big, like a whole bunch of books.

you know, weight bags. So then he started working out with me. We started talking a little bit more. And he said, bro, I gotta holl at you. He said, I'm gonna tell you on the yard. So when we hit the yard, he said, bro, he's like, you know that older guy who always pulls up on me? So I'm like, yeah.

And he's like, bro, I think he's got like some funny intention. I said, yeah, bro, I've been like waiting for you to identify that. He's a booty bander, bro. He's coming for your butt. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you got to see that. He's like, I know it's weird. Like I can tell, da-da-da-da-la.

So he's like, so what do I do? You know, he's asking me what do I do? I said, listen, bro, you just got to freaking be direct. Like, yo, I'm not friendly. You know what I mean? Like, don't be disrespectful because he's going to, this is a booty bandit who's also a convict to where if you disrespect him, you might have with a knife in you. You know what I mean?

Or he might, because he's a young white guy. And he doesn't look that intimidating. He kind of looks a little passive and a little weak. So I'm just got to be asserted, bro. But I'm just not friendly, bro. I'm not looking for friends. Yeah, I'm just focused on me doing time. So I tell him what to say and what to do.

So he's like, all right, all right, all right. You know, so, and we're going to lunch, I think, as like later on that day, or maybe it was dinner. Yeah, it's probably dinner because we had a wreck after yard at lunch. So we're going to dinner. And I'm thinking he's going to do it by himself. You know what I mean? Like, you should, you know, not bring me into it.

I'm about to go home. I'm trying to get no conflict with his old head behind nothing. Not that he's like a threat or nothing, but still handle that yourself. So he's like, starts walking with me. He's waiting for me to come to the door. And apparently the booty band it was waiting on him, too, to try to walk with him to like, chawaw. So while I'm bending in the,

door, right when I'm walking out the door, he's standing at the door, and the old, the old booty band is, like, kind of walking up on the side of me, like trying to pull up on him. And out of nowhere, the booty band is said something to him. And the guy goes, get out of my face, bro. You know, he kind of like, snaps. Like, I ain't friendly. I don't want no friends. And he did everything I told him not to do.

He just took it to 10. So, and then the freaking booty bandit, now, he nuts up. He's like, what? He's like, I'm trying to hand you the right hand of fellowship. You're going to disrespect me. Talk about getting his knife. And anyways. But the whole point I was getting at as far as like the booty bandit story.

Bro, like booty bandit is definitely a thing, you know, in any prison system in any state. But that was just a crazy story that I remember of seeing it happen with somebody else. And just trying to like help bro like navigate through it. So what ended up happening to the guy? Did you get the booty taken? No, no, he was good. He left him alone. He didn't, he didn't run him down.

Actually, no, right then. No, right then I told him because he was nothing up. The booty banner was trying to fight him right there in that moment. So then that's why I interjected because I think he knew what he was doing. He waited for me to kind of be there, which I didn't want. So I was like, man, oh, he had chill, bro. Just respect him, man. He said he didn't want no friends, bro.

Leave him alone. You got to respect that, dog. And he's like, man, no, bro, do. And I said, bro, chill. And he just left him alone. So follow your advice to stay away from the booty bandits in prison, basically, is what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. So that started some random story.

So since we're the prison topic, you got a very interactive episode for us. You got all these prisons. You want to see this stuff? Yeah, you got some prison nicknacks. For sure, for sure. I came down to grab you. You're like, here, grab the back. All right, so look, man, one thing, I'm a writer.

And we can't, I also got to do the full story about what I do now at prisons, right? Of course. We'll get to that. But, man, I'm a writer. I'm a rapper. But I think before I started rapping, rapping, rapping, I learned how to, like, I did poetry. But anyways, I journaled.

My whole 12 years, bro, listen, this is just one. This is just one example. I literally took this from a box this big at my apartment. that I sent home. I journal every single day. Look at this. And look how small the wording is. Oh, wow.

I wish I had handwriting like that. You know what I mean? I wrote that small to save paper. That's crazy. You know, so I would journal every day. And this was really like a place for me to vent and to deal with things and really to process things. Number one, I'm sharing how, like,

guys dealing with me and, like, kind of changing my thought process and my lifestyle. But I also like sharing document what God was doing and other people around me and how God was using me to serve other people. But it was a place for me every night to process my days. And I think this is super helpful for me how to deal with my time and how to like navigate mentally through my journey and process things properly.

What I could have done better? What could I have done different? You know what I mean? And anything. So I'm probably going to publish this one day. I got a whole freaking huge lockerful of like prison memoirs. You know what I mean? That's great, man.

And of course you got the, all the pitch, the classic Chang Gang Pitcher books. And actually this right here is the, that's the mug shot and that's actually the newspaper that's the newspaper article of whenever I accidentally hit the police officer with the car

so you know you got all the picture books you know so these are the classic all this is classic chain gang you could buy the books on commissary right and you put your own pictures in it of course and then of course

I keep all this man I'm super sentimental and just like what does it mean what does it mean to you to keep everything I keep everything just because Because, bro, it's like my experience. Because in there it's gold. You know what I mean? So, like, why would I get rid of it now?

I hold on to it. And it's like, like I said, kind of like, it's symbolic for me of what I experienced or what I went through and how that was a pivotal moment in my life and which God used to transform my life. And of course, you know, once again, it's all mail. Got boxes upon boxes of mail. You know what I mean? And then lastly, those are all letters that people sent you.

Yeah. Yeah. And I would send them home. I didn't keep them all the years. I would send them all home because I didn't want to get rid of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to send. I actually still have, I threw out a lot, but I still have a lot of the writings that I wrote in prison when I was in the shoe and stuff. Yeah. Send those all home, and I got in the little binder. It's in my office right now. Okay, there you go. And then the classic canteen bag, you know, you got the rhyming in there. That's probably one the smaller net bags I've seen. Normally they're a little bit bigger. Yeah, this is an old, old, old one.

Old school, okay. Yeah, yeah, this is an old one. I see you got the prison mud. Oh, yeah. My coffee cup. They issued that to you? They don't sell it. This is gold in the chain gang. But was that for free?

Because I know like we would, everyone would get a mug. They would sell these. This is gold and they don't sell them no more. Look at it's like stained with coffee. Look at that, see? That's how a lot of guys coffee cups were though. They would get stand. You purposely don't clean them.

Yeah. Let the oil sit, bro. Yeah, exactly. That's the yack. That's the yak. That's the yak, man. You know what's funny too? See how it's cracked on the size?

It got cracked from getting transferred so much. It would be at my bag. You know what I mean? to crush from the weight of stuff, but I would still drink out of it. Even in there, I would just make like little coffee shots, straight oil, yak, you know what mean, and just sip on it and just keep refilling it. So a commissary bag like that filled with all that stuff, how much does that run you at the store?

Bro, listen, nowadays, can you believe one soup goes for $1.6? Oh, shit. Now. I remember it was 30 cents, 35 cents, 40 cents, actually, I think. Yeah, now, bro, they're skyrocketing on the prices, though. So it's like a macro cost because those are a dollar. Probably like a couple dollars. It's crazy.

Yeah. prices are going up, man. Yeah, man. Hopefully they up the spending limit. Oh, it's insane, bro. Because it's like, you used to be able to fill up a whole bag and survive. You know what I mean? If you spent $25 a store, you would survive for like a week depending upon how you ate.

But now, bro, you get $25. That's just your hygiene. You even got no money for food. So what year did you end up getting out of prison? I got out in 2021. So that was a couple years ago. Yeah, I've been out two years. A little bit over two years.

Are you still on probation? No, thank God. I was on parole. they don't have parole, they got CRD, which is like controlled release or whatever. You get out on your gang time. So you're pretty much doing your full 100%, but now it's on supervision with your good time. So I got out and I was on CRD, I think, for a year and eight months. No issues?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's what I wanted to bring up. I was a guy was in cuffs, dog. I was doing Uber. Check this out. I was doing Uber one night and I had a 10 o'clock curfew. You're not allowed to leave the county or the state and you got a 10 o'clock curfew. So while I'm driving Uber, it's not even 10.

But I had permission from my CRD officer to be out for business purposes. So I'm doing Uber. I got a driver. I got a rider in the back now. And somehow like a police officer gets behind me was undercover gang task force. I don't know that. They pulled me immediately. I already knew something that was funny because right when he pulled me, I blew my window down, he said, Mr.

Testa, he already knew my name. It was, of course, the plate. He's like, you step out of the car real quick. I already knew. Like, dang. And I'm scared because I'm on freaking parole, CRD. So I step out the car. He walks me to the back of the vehicle, grabs my wrist.

wrist, what's me in cuffs? He said, what you're doing out past 10, bro? You know what I mean? You know, you're on parole, bro. Like, this is a violation. You know, I got to take you and I'm like, sir, listen. My parole officer gave me permission. I'm allowed to be outside past 10 for business purposes. He's like, well, do you got that written? Do you got, like, something to show that? I'm like, no. You know what I mean? I got his number. Can you call him? So they get my phone. I tell him his name, and they're calling them. So one law officer takes my phone and they go back to the other squad car. But there's like four cop cars now. And it's like some, I think, they're doing something with some like gang busts because they're all like gang task force. So now they're sitting there and I had the opportunity to now I'm like trying to save myself, like save face. I'm like, listen, but it's also a great opportunity for me to share my story and how God transformed my life. I'm like, listen, bro, I'm doing great now because they're looking at my charges. And especially when I got violent charges against law enforcement officers, they can tend to

take that personal. I'm like, dog, God transformed my life in the Chang Gang. Now I'll go back to the streets with the gospel. We're impacting the streets and we're impacting the community to help guys get the street lifestyle. So anyways, they're calling him a parole officer. He's not picking up. Thank God they get a hold on my supervised, released like head office, like person in the office. And they let him go, have them checking in the morning and we'll double check with this parole officer. He's allowed to be out. So thank God they take me for the first time in my life, bro. The police let me out of cuffs.

And the police are actually thanking me and commending me from my service in the community. And they shake my hand. You know what I mean? So I believe in that moment, God was like showing me because I'm doing great. You know what I mean? Like walking for you. I'm doing. faithful unto the Lord and walking in God's purpose for my life, God was showing me, like, despite whatever opposition that I face, like, I got you. Why do you think they pulled you over? They probably just ran my place, honestly.

See, that's, like, the issue I have with, like, probation and whatnot, because it's all about trying to get a fresh start. Yeah. But in your instant, you got, instant, you got pulled over. You got a passenger in the car. That could have been the end of your Uber career right there. What happened to the passenger? Oh, you know, it's funny, too, while they had me in cuff.

So one of the officers went to my car and just tapping on the window and she opened the door. She's like, lady, I'm sorry, but you can just go ahead and cancel the ride. We're going to have him, you know, for a second. We don't know what's going on. But he even told the lady, give him five stars. He didn't do anything and just misunderstanding. So I was kind of cool on his end. Yeah, but you get the wrong person.

They're putting no Uber driver got arrested, this and that. That's not good. Yeah, not at all, bro. Listen, I've been pulled. No exaggeration. I was telling somebody, I just got pulled the other day. I get pulled all the time, bro. It's a beard, man.

I always get pulled. You kind of look like a skinnier DJ Cal. And did you see that? I know you said you don't really watch the episodes, but the clips we had that guy Chip Williamson with the beard. He had like the really died. The Spanish guy? Yeah.

Yeah. He's a little bit bigger than you. Same look. Dude, the beards go. I'm telling you. It's all about the beards. Yes, sir. That's awesome.

Yeah, I always get pulled, bro. And I think honestly, they just want to look in the vehicle. They just like want to get a visual. Really? Just make sure no one's kidnapped. I don't know. I get pulled all the time and I never got one ticket. Wow.

I've probably been pulled, no exaggeration. about eight, nine times within a two-year period. So what's life like for you now? Yeah, man. So while I was incarcerated, man, not only did God transform my life, but God gave me a vision for my release. I've always been a rapper.

It was just like a way for me to vent about my life and things I was going through. I've always been very expressive. I've always been a communicator. So I just put it in music. So while I was incarcerated, the guy began to transform my life. You know, in prison, like all the jitterbugs,

they'd be in there freestyle and beating on the locker, beating on the wall. So God would stir me up to go in the midst of it. And plus, these are my homies, too. and I would freestyle, but I'll rap about, like, the gospel, but I'll put it in a way to where I'm still rapping about the streets, but how God delivered me out the streets, you know, and, like, I seen how I really affect people and people like, dang,

and plus two guys using me while I was in prison. I planted four different inmate-led churches at four different prisons while I was incarcerated. I was preacher, man, you know what I mean? That's who I was while I was incarcerated. For me, my prison journey was full-time missionary journey, and it was for real, you know what I mean? It was authentic.

It was genuine. So not only was I walking to my purpose while I was incarcerated, but God showed me upon release that guy, and it was through one of my best friends' death, he was shot and killed. That morning, the following morning after I found out, I was mad at God, I was upset. God laid on my heart this vision

that he was going to use music as a platform to reach the streets with the gospel. And the ministry's called Block Hustle, and the music is Black Hustle Entertainment. So my first release, whenever, my first song that I released when I came home, like my third month out, got me signed by the second biggest Christian hip-hip-hop label

in the nation. And I went viral. actually at work release before I was even released. Because at work release, you go, they release you from like a minimum security prison to go to work and come back with like an ankle monitor. They give you phones, but not smartphones, but I had an iPhone put in in my locker at work. And I'm doing social media. And I'm killing the game.

I'm like documenting. Bro, listen, I've been documenting my entire prison journey while I was incarcerated. Having my homie record prison phone calls, recording videos off Jacks or off like the prison kiosk. Smart. Yeah. So I'm filming my documentary right now. The day of my release, I had a camera crew at the gate. That's awesome.

So we've been documenting my entire journey and transition home. If I could go back and change anything, that would be it. Like to document the whole legal process, cameras in the courtroom, prison, more documented about that. But I never thought that prison would be the thing that I would be focused on and turn into something. I always thought it was the nightclub stuff because it's cool. Yeah. Kid owns a nightclub, this and that.

But it's not relatable to the average person. Yeah. Prison, this experience that not everyone gets to go through is very relatable to a lot of people because so many people are affected by it. Of course. What do you think would be your message to the viewers, the listeners, maybe even to your old self, to your teenage self? What do you want the kids that were your age that grew up the way you did and made those wrong decisions? What do you want that message to get to them to be about? Yeah, I would just say to everybody, number one, that like, yo, God doesn't create trash.

You know, God creates royalty. He creates us as good. And not even to sound like cornball, kumbaya, cheesy Christian, but that's real, bro. You know, like, despite whatever chaos or chaotic or traumatic experiences that we face as a child or coming up or no matter what cars we've been dealt, God has a huge calling and purpose upon our life. And when we discover that, and from my perspective, I believe it's only through faith in Jesus and the sacrifice.

And when we walk a lifestyle surrendered to him, God has a purpose for us. And when we commit all that under him, bro, we'll live out our dreams. In the midst of a prison bid, when I'm on my lowest low, I had the ultimate peace for filming and contentment, and it's because of my faith in Christ. So my encouragement to anybody out there in the streets or the youth or whoever is we never truly identify who we are as people and our purpose for our life until we tap into the one who created us. So that would be my ultimate, you know, call to action, encouragement for everybody. And like now how it's all full circle, you said with the whole prison thing, I never thought about

getting out and going back into a prison. I'm sure I would with ministry, but I'm not. think it's going to be a thing. So when I come home, bro, like, I'm just thinking it's cool that my music is being heard in the prison system on the tablets. But now because like a podcast in prison that I'm featured on, shout out to Mama Eve and Real Vita Nation, like I'm viral in the prison system to where I can go to a prison in Nebraska or a prison in Cali or in Florida or in New York or wherever and they know who I am and I know my story because of the music and because of the podcast, right? And it's crazy that God will use our stories as redemptive stories to give inspiration and use us as a template to anybody doing time.

We're convicts, bro. We're all the same. No one's better than nobody. God's doing it in us. He can do the same thing in you and more 10 times. So to me it's beautiful to be able to go back in there and speak life to them boys and encourage them that that place of incarceration, that place of brokenness, that can be a breeding ground where God can transform our life radically. give us vision and purpose and not only in there, but upon release as well, you know?