Locked In with Ian Bick - Prison Showdown: What Happens When You're Tested in a Women's Prison | Nesta Rozay

Episode Date: June 25, 2024

Ever wondered what happens when you're put to the test in a women's prison? In this eye-opening episode, we delve into the intense moments of confrontation, survival tactics, and real-life drama that unfold behind bars. Discover the unwritten rules, the power dynamics, and the strategies inmates use to navigate these high-stakes situations. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Nesta Rozay: Nesta Rozay IG: @_Nestarozay https://www.instagram.com/_nestarozay?igsh=MXI2YW1hY2Z4eG9iNw== Cannabis Website: https://supabace.com Business IG : @officialsupabace https://www.instagram.com/officialsupabace?igsh=eHFtdWI4YmUxbjN4 Entertainment IG: @diversesociety_ent https://www.instagram.com/diversesociety_ent?igsh=MXE2a3lzYmN2cGQ0Yw== Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:52 - Growing up in a Different Lifestyle 00:11:38 - Growing up Fast, Witnessing the Dark Side 00:15:42 - The Influence of Role Models in the Street Life 00:19:39 - Transforming Lives through Personal Change 00:23:38 - Mafia Ties and Jamaican Culture 00:31:25 - The Myth of the Streets 00:35:12 - Facing Challenges in Jail 00:38:53 - A Scuffle with a Correctional Officer and Inmate Relationships 00:42:44 - Life in Jail 00:46:31 - Overcoming Past Mistakes 00:50:38 - Transitioning from Street Life Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Actually, I got to fight a little altercation with a prison guard too as well. What happened there? She just tried to get big with me. All the problems in prison and jail, it comes from the COs. Ain't really the inmates. They start all the back and forth. They don't want to start the rumors. You know what I mean?

Stuff like that. If they don't like you, they're going to pick on you. They ain't like me. They knew who my family was. They tried to pick on me. They try to send an inmate to do it. That won't go work. They saw it won't know my blood.

So then she got bold enough. You know, like boss me around. Like, come here. You know, this, this and that. You know what I mean? That's my attitude. Like, I won't have it in that. Nobody was going to walk.

They thought they were because I was the youngest one there. You know, I look so innocent. You know what I mean? But then, nah, that's, don't let pretty smile and an innocent face fool you, bro. Like, you don't know what I've been through. You don't know what I'm about. You know what I mean? Nesta, welcome to Lockton.

It's a pleasure having you here today. Yeah, it's a pleasure for you having me. Yeah, and you came all the way from Georgia, right? Yeah, I came from Georgia today, y'all. Awesome. I think you are our first Georgia guest. Oh, for real? Yeah, I think so.

So I'm actually originally from White Plains. Okay. But I live in Georgia now. I've been living in Georgia for the last like six years. You might be our first White Plains guest too. Oh, for real? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We get a lot of Connecticut, New Jersey, like upstate New York and whatnot.

But White Plains is literally only 30 minutes away. Yeah, 30 minutes away, yeah. So you grew up in White Plains. Yeah, White Plains and also a little bit in the DMV as well. What's the DMV? Virginia, Maryland, D.C. Well, actually, it's like D. Actually, I've heard of that before.

Really? You never heard of that? No, I think I have. Oh, yeah. What I've heard. Or in movies or in songs and whatnot. Right, right. Yeah, they talk about the DMV.

I share a lot of people in the 90s and, well, in the 80s, too. From the North, they used to go down to the DMV and, you know, travel, get their little packs off and stuff like that. So it used to be popping back in the day, so. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. What time frame did you grow up in White Plains? What, like, time frame was at the 80s? Oh, 90s.

Yeah, yeah. I'm an old hat. I was born in the 90s. What, you was born? So I was born in the 80s. I was raised in the 90s. You was born 95? Yeah, 95.

Okay, that's the same years. So I got half of the 90s. You said half of the 90s? Yeah, half of the 90s. You really are 2,000 babies, really? No, that's the guy. I get a little bit of that. I got five years of it.

What was it like grown up in White Plains? Oh, it was awesome. Well, the 90s, it was awesome because, you know, that's the era of bad boys and when hip hop really took off. So, you know, like, even we're not too far from the Bronx. So, like, the Bronx is city. We used to see like Biggie, Little Kim. And I remember my cousin's getting the phone call. It's like, hey, they posted up in the city go down there.

I remember the first time I met Craig Mack and things like that. So the 90s was pretty cool. And then also my family basically ran the area in the 90s. So it was like I knew everybody, like a little famous kid around the area. So it was dope. Little Kim, what a throwback. Yeah, yeah. Is she still doing anything now?

Yeah, yeah. Actually, she's trending on something in the media right now, but I forget what for her. But yeah, little kids. Does she have a TV show? Is she like a host of something or anything like that? You don't know who little Kim is? No, I've heard of her. That's why I'm like a flash from the past.

She's a rapper from Bad Boy. Basically Biggie kind of put her on or whatever. She was under Biggie. And so she and a lot of like dope music back in the 90s. And she's from Brooklyn. So, yeah. How did you guys grow up? Rich, poor, middle class?

So I grew up more on a middle class. And my dad had money. My dad grew up with money. My mom grew up poor. But by the time I was born, I was like right in the middle. So I would say middle class, I was spoiled, I got anything I wanted. But then, you know, later on I felt, I felt victim of what I saw, which was the streets and things like that. But I never had to go that route, you know what I mean?

I grew up really borderline rich kid, you know what I mean? Go cards, the thousands of dollars being little for birthdays and stuff like that. So, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it takes a lot of, you know, understanding to even describe yourself as that, like, to know you had money compared to, because not everyone has that, you know, so at least you acknowledge that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely know, because looking at my surroundings, not people had what I had.

And we were brought up to not, like, kind of be flashy with it. So on the weekends, I'd be with my cousins who didn't have nothing. You know, we was playing around in a house that didn't have no bathroom. So we had to go to the bathroom outside. So going from, like, a big house and on weekends playing with cousins, and we got to play outside and also got to pee outside, you know what I mean? So I saw humbleness. And then I also saw a good life.

So it kind of put me in the humble zone, if that makes sense, because everybody around me didn't have what I have. So I know more so of their end than my end because it was never flashy for me. How many siblings did you have? I have three. I have a twin and two younger siblings. Oh, a twin. What's it like to have a twin?

Like an actual, is it identical? Yeah, identical. Yeah. Actually, we look identical, but we don't know. My mom didn't know she was having twins until like three days before she had it. Something crazy like that. So, but we look just alike. we never got the test for identical, but

everybody, like, we identical. But it was cool. I mean, high school was cool, but then also it had, like, it's, like, downfall, you know what I mean? Look at just alike, and then both you kind of little badasses, so, you know, she used my identity before got me in trouble, you know what I mean?

Things like that, we have to put up with. But overall, as far as, like, being known, being an athlete, just being a twin or individual in general, it was kind of dope. It was kind of dope. fool people we kind of got get away with stuff get away with stuff oh yeah especially in school

oh we terrorized everybody in school like all the teachers switch classes when we got in college my mom actually gave us the idea she's she knew a set of twins and she was like hey you guys should do this when you get in college take each other class whoever's the best in this subject take that that's so funny so yeah it was cool what about that twin telepathie thing

oh we definitely had it oh yeah how does that work I've always been curious about that it's kind of freaky but like you kind of used to being twins, like, when we was little, we had, like, our own language, or we can kind of like look at each other and, like, we know what we're saying, and nobody knows what else, you know, whoever else that's trying to pay attention, they don't know what we're saying. But as far as that, yes, I remember actually, we was in, I want to say 10th grade, 11th grade, she had to her ACL, Manisas, and she had to have surgery. And I remember sitting at lunch.

I remember looking at the clock, it was at 12 o'clock, and I just got this just so. super sharp pain in my knee. I mean, I was like screaming. I was just in the middle of lunch and stood up screaming because it hurts so bad. And I remember telling my mom, like, afterwards. And I was like, for some reason, I looked at the clock. It was like, 12 o'clock. She was like, that's exactly the time your sister went to surgery.

So that was like kind of freaky. So on that end, yeah, that is really true. That was just a little bit of what we had growing up as far as, like, being able to read each other mind or, you know, just feeling with the other one feeling. It's definitely true. Yeah. Now, what was high school like were you guys, you know, exposed any, like, drugs or violence or criminal aspects or was it just a normal? Oh, we was exposed to that way before high school.

Right. Before high school? Before we was born. First time I ever saw, like, a package was like six snooping around. You know what I mean? This was the life we was brought up in. This was the life we was born in. We didn't know anything by high school, but that and being an athlete.

My mom didn't want us in that area, but we grew up. were, you know, uncles and other people who was in that lifestyle really heavy. By the time I was eight, it was already two drug buses I was around. You know what I mean? So, you know, it was kind of crazy, but it was also kind of dope. Well, in my mind, because like I said, it was all I know, right? So it was kind of dope being around the doperest drug dealers, the kingfins, it's like the highest of the highest, you know. And your family is center around that.

So it was, I like to like kind of like being known, like being that little. But as I got, as a teenager, I kind of shied away from it because I saw like the trouble could really get me into. But by that time, I was addicted. My sister took a little later on in life for her to kind of go that route. I had changed my life around before she went down that route. She was more to like preppy and things like that. But I definitely took the street in. And by the time we had our license, we was chauffeering.

Shofing. Yeah, we were chauffeering things around, you know. No telling us in the trunk type situation. Like unsuspecting drug mules kind of thing? Yeah, I would definitely say that. And that was your family members? That put you in? A family member.

The rest of them, nobody agreed with it. But it's just like one family member who's like John Gotti of our family member. Of our family. And, you know, we lived in the same household with him up until, you know, the drug buses and stuff like that came. And then we kind of moved and things like that. But when he got back out of prison, by that time we was in high school. So we automatically, we jumped off the porch right when he got out and just started hitting the ground running. And it taught us the game, really, taught us the game inside out.

So you didn't have other family members trying to say, hey, don't hang around with him or do anything like that? Yeah, they said it, but we really didn't listen. Nobody like my grandparents didn't like it. And everybody else didn't like it. You know, it was kind of used to it. But definitely my mom, my grandparents didn't like it. But like I said, it was what we knew. You know what I mean?

It was what our family known, you know what I mean, at that time. What did other kids think about your family and you growing up? Oh, they were fair. And a lot of people feared us just because of the antics, like, we can kind of carry out. Like, only if people test us. Like, we're really respected and really good people. We'll break our backs for you in our community. Everybody knows us.

But on the other end, they know not to cross us. They know not to really go there with us. Not saying we big and bad, but we really don't take too much from people because we're big on respect because we respect everybody around us. So we kind of demand that in return as well. Did you get picked on at all? Who me? Yeah. I only got picked on, like, with cousins.

In school, people knew not to pick on me because we were fighting the heartbeat. I'll fight a boy quick. Stay getting suspended, but everybody feared my uncle. You know what I mean? Everybody feared our family because, you know, they get busy. Like, for instance, like, when we was growing up, my uncle got shot at a party and start running after the dude who shot him. Like, they had to tackle him. That we don't really have too much fear in our heart.

You know what I mean? So we want to get to the bottom of the situation rather just let it go, if that makes it. sense. So at what point do you think you realized that looking back on it that your family was involved in like criminal activity? I really didn't. It didn't really, until I changed my life around. I didn't

and got out that life and saw how they really didn't want nothing to do to me because I changed my life around and I start enhancing myself. Because it was a spec for me to do what they do all my life because that's all we knew. You know, that's what we was known for. So like on that end, it's just

it's a wild situation. You know what I mean? Do you feel like you were born into it? Oh, yeah, I definitely was born into it. I definitely was born. Like I said, I witnessed two drug buses by the time I was eight years old. What's that like to be eight years old? And is it like in the news?

Is it in the media or other kids talking about it? Back then it was in 90s. So like it wasn't social media. But the whole town knew because my uncle, you know, moved to that town and took it over. He supplied the whole town. He went down kingpin charges. So, you know, For me, I was kind of used to it.

I was really intelligent as a young child. Like, you know, my twin and I, like, we were, you know, we kind of had to grow up fast. We were kind of forcing a lifestyle around all these people, and we're getting to see a lot of stuff. So we're seeing triple the amount of normal child or even like a teenager at that age would be at that age. So I would definitely say, like, I was born in a lifestyle.

And if I would have stayed in it, I probably would have been really successful for if I wasn't dead, if I didn't die, you know, being killed by being in a lifestyle. What do you think was the, the wildest outrageous thing you witnessed as a kid growing up into that life? There's so much, bro. A lot. Like, besides, like, you know, actually just for myself, being in the streets myself, you know, seeing what, you know, the things that I'd done or the things that I didn't really, for instance,

I was connected to the Greek and also Mexican cartel back then, basically supplying them and they shipping stuff off what I'm giving them over to their country. You know what I mean? Things like that. So being in that lifestyle, you see wild shit. Like, you see dead bodies, bro. You know what I mean? I watched somebody literally take their last breath at my feet.

And I was probably like 20 at that time. You know what I mean? By the time I was 25, I lived my whole entire life. I saw everything. I went to jail. I've escaped death so many times being in the streets, being shot at. Still to this day, people want to kill me being in the streets. Cops want to kill me.

They hate me. They want to see me dead or in jail for the rest of my life because they can't get a hold of me. They can't control me. You know what I mean? And for me, it's like I looked at it like, damn, they're doing all this because I changed my life around because I don't want to do this.

I'd rather actually see me in jail or dead than actually see me. prosper and, you know, be really successful on what I do. So, you know, it opened my eyes to a lot. And like I said, I changed my life. I was fortunate enough to do all that young. I changed my life. By the time I was 25, my whole life had changed around.

You know what I mean? And, like, I didn't do everything but get married and have kids. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I literally seen it all by the time. I would say, like, 19 really is when I saw all. But by the time I was 25, like, in that time, spent 19 to 25. That's when, like, I went to jail, you know. I got to see a little bit more adult stuff, like the consequences of what I did.

Because I always got to escape it, you know, being an athlete in my town, being like a celebrity in my town, especially being in a school. Nobody going to touch me. You know what I mean? I got the county on my back with just being an athlete, you know what I mean? And Hall of Fame at that, by the way. What sport? Basketball and softball. Okay.

Softball. Yeah, I'm the greatest softball, but not the two-monghorn. People will vouch for me. they consider me like the greatest softball player that ever went to school. So what happened? Why didn't you go down that path? I wanted to be a gangster, bro. But why?

Like, why would you want to give up sports to be a gangster? I don't know. I guess it was just in my blood. You know what I mean? It was in my blood. And then also back then, especially for a female, back in, WMBA won't make, they ain't making that now. They were sending people overseas for like 1,500 a month.

I mean, now you look at the Caitlin Clark thing. That was when she got 85,000. Yeah, I make that in a year. She's getting something four years. I'm making it in a year, bro. You know what I mean? So I was interested in money. I remember being little, asked my mom,

what career make the most money? And when she told me, I was like, she told me some crazy answer, like a lawyer and a preacher. I was like, I'm going to be that. Not because I wanted to be it for a passion because of the money. And then when I, by the time I was like, like I said, I've seen all this stuff my whole life, But by the time I was like 13, I really knew what was going on.

Because I had to grow up fast. I had younger siblings to look after. I had younger siblings basically to raise, you know, all on me, just being in the household. You know, I was ahead of my household at 13, bro. You know what I mean? So it made me grow up just super fast. So everything that I saw and everything that I knew was kind of developed me into being like a gazelda. No, real talk.

You know what I mean? That was my goal, bro. That was my goal, you know? John Gotti was my hero. You know, people looking at athletes being in a hero at that time, maybe like LeBron James, A la Ares. Nah, man, it's John Gotti, bro. Now, knowing what you know now,

if your kid wanted to go down that route, what would you say to them? Oh, no, not at all. I would not let that even be a thought, you know what I mean? I wouldn't even tell my kids no stories about me, you know, being in that lifestyle or anything like that. Because honestly, what kind of, you know, spark my interest.

was in the beginning was stories before I got to see really understand what was going on was, you know, stories being told about what this one did, this one did, and I wanted to be better than them. You know, oh yeah, you ran the city and you, my uncle, I'm gonna be better than you.

I'm gonna run the whole state. You know what I mean? That was my mentality, 16, 17, 18 years old, you know what I mean? How did they treat a female figure in that environment? Well, what I was, like I said, people, I've been a tomboy my whole life, so a lot of people don't even really look at gender when they come to me, if that makes sense?

Yeah, how do you feel about that? Like, is it insulting if someone calls you a tomboy back then? Because I know in high school that was kind of like an insult when they or I grew up, no one wanted to be called like a tomboy or... I don't care for labels. So really, any labels somebody pulled in me, I really don't care for. Like, if you call me a lesbian, I don't like it, you know, even though, you know, you look at me. But I just really don't like labels just in general. But if somebody say whatever, it's whatever, go ahead.

I'll answer to anything, though. You know what I mean? It's not going to, I'm a lot of people have problems with that when they're insecure. I'm super secure. Some people might think I'm cocky. I'm not. But some people might think I am because I'm super secure. You know what I mean?

I'm really confidence. I really have a lot of confidence about myself. Yeah, I mean, it's good to have confidence. Yeah, absolutely, right? That's what, honestly, if I didn't have the confidence, bro, I wouldn't even made it this far in life. So do you think if you didn't give off that Tom Boy vibe, you would have had a harder time in the street life?

No, just because my family had already set the grounds for me. I literally had it made, bro. I literally had it made. Like, I ain't had nothing. It was set for me, bro. Even, like, when my uncle was locked up all those years for the kingpin charges, it was drug dealers looking after me and my sister. Because he was what we had.

And my mom, she was, like, you know, going to nursing school, so she won't really there. Our grandparents was just older. our grandmother was fighting cancer her whole life so she was sick. So it was people, they were strict on us, but we were sneaky as hell. You know what I mean?

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In a shorter way, if I did have to play sports or shorter route, not the route I had to really work for it because I was naturally athletic. But yeah, if I wasn't born, like, in this lifestyle or anything like that, I would have been some little kid who graduated college. Probably would have been in the WMBA or USA softball team, you know, somewhere, for sure, somewhere in any, I could went to any school in the country, bro. Any school in the country. Do you wish you did looking back on it? No. Okay. Only thing that I regret is I had so many kids looking up to me. You know, my community I had in my back. You know, everybody was depending on us. But then when I looked at it and said, I want to live life from me, my mistakes are my mistakes. It made me who I am now.

What am I going to regret? You know what I mean? What am I regretting? You know what I mean? But like I said, only for the little kids who looked up to me. I showed them the wrong. wrong way. But what I did was when I changed my, that's why I changed my life around. I made it a point to show people you could be this, but you also could be this. You know what I mean? So I'm proud of being, you know, being a person who once did this, but now also here and able to save a lot of lives. You know, bro, I tour colleges, you know, just telling my story, you know, changing people lives, helping people, you know, preventing people from suicide and things like that. You know what of me. So if I didn't go that route, if I didn't go, you know, being a badass, like through

school, just everything, I wouldn't have the experience to help people enhance their life or make their life better in a situation where they're just looking at me being inspired, you know, somebody did that for me. His name's Carl Hicks. He was my mentor. He came, visited jail when I was locked up. And he used to just tell other stories how he used to do crack, but it also be a drug dealer and then how he, but he made a point to always show us how he changed his life around. Every story, every time he come and it tells the story, but at the end of that story was how it was a better outcome

or how he made a point to change it up, you know, to a better outcome or change his life. And, you know, just for him doing that for me, it showed me you can change your life around. You can be a better person, you know what I mean? And deep down, I knew that one me. I was always a

really good kid. It's just that I was addicted to the lifestyle. You know what I mean? I always tell people, power embody my life. You know, know, Tyreek, he had a twin. His dad was in the streets. You know what I mean? Just everything around, Tommy's uncle, my uncle,

it's just really, really, but more realistic, more heavy, if I would say. You know what I mean? Yeah. How much control did the Jamaicans have over the drug game back then? Because we had, like, Unique, who was a Jamaican kingpin, former kingpin, on the show in that time period, too. Let's just say, with questions like that, I'm going to answer, but sometimes I don't like to answer

because like I said, remember I mentioned, like, the police, they hate us, the fans, they hate us. So they look at any little thing to be like, oh, that person's still doing this back in the 90s. But I'm going to answer your question. I just have to put a disclaimer. Everybody changed their life around. Nobody is now currently doing this.

But yeah, my pop taught my uncle everything he knew and he took damn near over the whole state. So yes, Jamaicans, like rude boys, you know what I mean? Rostas, but people don't know this about Jamaica. Like, for instance, my dad, he's the youngest out of like 15 kids or something like that his dad had. And all of them like doctors and nurses. He's the only one.

And, you know, he's still got a good job stuff. But he was the only one that kind of like took a different route. You know what I mean? So really most of the population of Jamaica, they're really good people. They're Christian people. They want to do the right things. They don't like us rosters. They don't like the Roo Boys.

But, you know, just like anywhere, you know, you have that. But Jamaica is actually really a good country. But the Roo Boys and the Rostas back in the next. 90s least when I was growing up. Yeah, they was taking over everything, bro. You know, I mean, hundreds of hundreds of stuff getting shipped over here on the boat. And these TV shows, they always depict, like, the Jamaicans as the hit people and, like, the gang members, like, in power. The Jamaicans play a big part in the show in the original series.

And they're so slick with it, too, bro. They're so slick with it. Like, for instance, Axelmae, when they locked up in a fez of jail, it's, it might be some Jamaicans locked up, but they ain't that many. Yeah. They're so slick with it, bro. You don't see that many Jamaicans in there. You see what I'm saying? Slick with it.

Because you know why? Jamaicans are so spread out everywhere. Canada, England. You know what I mean? It's just spread out all over in this like little closing area that can transport from all ends really kind of on from the United States. Like they got a big, big, big, big area to play with when it comes to, you know, illegal activities. You know what I mean? And we stick together too.

Yeah. Loyalty is big. I mean, that's kind of like the mafia and whatnot, even though everyone ends up snitching on each other in the end. But is that like that in the Jamaican culture? Yeah, actually, I have mafia ties and Jamaica ties, like I said. I mentioned my uncle, you know. What it said is, you know, his biological father is actually somebody from John Gotti's mafia,

or whatever, mafia cartel. So, you know, growing up with that, you know, having that kind of connection and then also having that Jamaican connection, but then also just being in the U.S. and the 90s, just being a black person, everybody getting money. And it was a little after the kind of, you know, died down a little bit, you know, after the Alpo and all of them got busted in New York. But, you know, on our end, Westchester, we were slick with it. You know, it was going down south. You know, the DMV, just, oh, yeah, y'all want to bust us in this area.

We're so close. Y'all going to bust Alpo and all them. All right, we're going to take it down south. We're going to take over. I mean, everybody was going down south with it. but I haven't heard anybody take it over like we took it over bro was there a big market for nightlife

and whatnot in Westchester and White Plains back then I know now there is but back then what was it like growing up I guess because I was so little I didn't really see the night left like like I said we were more in the like my parents were the parents to like get up and go and travel so we were more like in the city and you know things like that but as far as having

older cousin and older brother the nightlife and the girl I don't really remember anything it was just like dope I just remember being just hip-hoppy. You know what I mean? Just being like really hip-hop, if that makes sense. Like, you know what I mean? Fly clothes, you know, just the still people doing the graffiti.

You know what I mean? Like I said, you know, you see bad boy posted up in the city. You know what I'm? Just things like that. That culture was really starting to take all. So as far as looking back on how White Plains was, I just remember that type of culture. Now, was there mob ties back then in White Plains too and Westchester? because in TV shows they always depict Westchester,

like Sopranos and whatnot. Where my pops live right down the street. Like literally come out of his house, walk straight down at the end of the street. It might be a meet up there. It might be a mob meet up there. You know what I mean? You see what I'm saying?

Yeah, everybody think the mob died. They ain't die. Yeah, they... Oh, so you're saying even to this day. Yeah? Bro, yes. They just lessen a little more. You know what I mean?

Well, they're more like celebrity figures. Yeah, exactly. Some of these mafia. Because of John Gotti. Because of John Gotti. But they won't like that before John Gotti. But they said they're not, I've read articles and stuff of these guys that are snitching and are doing interviews that the mob's not killing people anymore. It's not violent.

You know, it's a totally different mafia than what it was. Because people snitching. That's why. If they were snitching, like they were like back in the day, you know, people were snitching, but it was so easy to still like kill everybody off and get off on it. You can't really do that now. Now there's tracing and there's phones and digital. You can't commit it. I don't know.

know why people are killing people even to this day. It seems kind of silly because you're going to get caught. Facts. Now, you said you were a supplier for cartel members. How does that even work? Like, doesn't the cartel normally supply individuals? Right. That's crazy, right? That's crazy, right? That seems very reversed. So, no, I actually got connected. Like, I said, I was just a badass. And it's just being a badass. Like, people start to know me, like, a, minding out. I never did anything. I wasn't stupid to do some dumb shit where I laid, where I laid my head at. So basically, I never got my hands dirty where I was from. I went to the outskirts.

I went to different cities and got known and popping out there and did all my dirty work out there. So, but anyways, being the streets out there and kind of being so young and being like the only female out there doing what I was doing, everybody started to know what I was doing. Everybody started to look for me, wanting me to get whatever they needed to get. So basically, I was a plug. You know, for instance, I got hooked up with them.

It wasn't for any drugs or anything like that. It's just that back then they just needed a lot of, like, So they got a lot of their electronics through me. But through that connect, it kind of opened a way up to some more drug things, not directly through them, but through other people. What kind of drugs? Like marijuana? I always been, yeah, I always been heavy on selling wheat. Even before I got legal, it always been weed.

And then when I was younger, I dibble and dabble trying to sell Coke. But I really didn't like that. I always was weed. I always love selling weed. Why not Coke? Because isn't it more profitable in the Coke business? It makes me paranoid. It is profitable, fast money.

I ain't going to lie. Like, you know what I mean? Why I was paranoid? Yeah. Why I was paranoid? It's just decided. I saw the stuff my uncle had to go through, you know, dealing with coke and crap. You know what I mean?

And, you know, with the kingpin charges. And the amount that I had them, they were going to be kingpin charges. You know what I mean? I knew it would be easier if I got caught to get off on weed. Now, you said you had eventually gone to jail yourself. What was that about? Yeah, man, getting caught up wrong crowd, wrong people, end up doing. some, actually, when I went to jail, I went to jail for something I didn't even do.

But I knew it was God saving my life. You see what I'm saying? Because I did so much shit. I mean, bro, I mean getting arrested right and left, but I had the best lawyer in the state. He's like, Johnny Cox, shout out to Scott Gutman, by the way. Shout out to Scott Gutman. He gave me off everything. But this one particular time, it was like they, I was with somebody, right?

And they basically ended up getting off. But I was still in that surrounding area. And of course, they're going to come in me. They know who I am or whatever. They automatically attach me to the shit. So basically they set me in jail just waiting to get evidence. They never got evidence. And my lawyer got me off on it.

But basically, that whole thing I knew it was like weird. It was like, how the fuck I'm going to do all this stuff? Like they even tried to say I even robbed the cop. Did you? Yeah, before I got locked up. I ain't going to say, I don't know what they're talking about. You know what I mean? They was putting stuff like that on me, and I would get off on because they would have no proof.

And there's something I actually didn't do. I get locked up for. But I wasn't pissed. I wasn't nothing. I knew I needed it because I was trying to get out the streets at that time. It was God. I knew it was God. But he did it in different circumstances.

You know what I mean? But he did it. In hindsight, he did it in the circumstance where I could learn my lesson, but also have a second chance. I explained in a minute. But it was God, bro, because I just remember, you know, making my first phone call. It was to my ex. And my mom, she was so used to me getting locked up. She hung the phone up when she was like, oh, she'll get out.

Boom. I'll bell out later or tomorrow. Spin her ass in jail. But I knew it was serious this time because they denied my bell. Like, you know what I mean? They was like right off the back. They was like, nah, uh-uh. You're a terrorist.

I'm like, whoa. So I called my ex. And I was like, yo, you got to get in contact with my mom. This is really serious. So I think I'm going to be in here for a minute. So anyways, a couple days later, you know, my mind and put money on the books. But I knew it was serious. And when I told them on the phone, I was just like, let me sit.

I needed it. I was already begging them at that point, like, help me get out the streets. I actually went to my mom and dad. The day I got locked up, I was supposed to move in with my dad for him to, like, kind of keep an eye on me, put me on the right path, you know, try out for basketball team and stuff like that. It was going, you know, he got the hook up. So, you know, I was going to try out for the liberty, all that stuff. And, but I needed something more powerful. I needed something that I can learn my lesson on.

If I didn't get locked, I would never learn my lesson. I probably would be dead right now. You know what I mean? So, you know, spending that time at jail, it really, I took that time to focus on myself, understanding that the streets was a myth. I knew the streets was a myth. It was grown men snitching on me.

It was grown men when I found out getting locked up snitching on me. You know what I mean? Grown-ass men, bro. grown women too, but I was more shocked that grown men. And then while I was in jail, I took a bunch of other charges for other niggas. Excuse my language, but let's say what it is.

It is what it is. I took charges for other people who never even wrote me in jail. So sitting in there all that time and seeing all this, like damn, I'm taking charges for people. They ain't even writing me. They talking shit. You know what I mean? I got grown men snitching on me. I'm not going

to snitch. I got the best lawyer in the state. Only thing I know I had to do is weighted out, wait to trial, all that other good stuff. So, but the thing, the bottom line is, I told them don't rush because I knew if I would, plus they was denying my bond and stuff anyways, you know what I mean? But I told them, like, don't even really fight it. Just hire my lord and let him do what he do, because I need to change my life. You know what I mean?

I want to be a better person. You know what I mean? I was begging for help at that point to change my life around and to become who I have become today, you know what I mean? I've seen this for me. Who I am today. I've seen it from me even when I was in the streets. It's just that I had to see what the street life was about, bro.

And I'm glad I did it young instead of waiting until I was an adult and, like, jump into it. You know what I mean? Why then did you decide that you wanted a different life? Because you could have decided that years earlier. I didn't see enough yet. Years earlier, I didn't even see enough to decide, like, that was enough. Like I told you, I lived my life for life by the time it was 25, really 20. You know what I mean?

So all those years before there, I didn't really see it yet until I got hands on. And then, like I said, really the turning point is seeing the streets is a fucking myth. Excuse me my language, the streets is a fucking myth, bro. I concur. The streets is a fucking myth. Let's be real. What laws? Who are making these laws up?

You know what I mean? All this other stuff that is going by. And then, like I said, even being seeing people who cinching on me or even people not writing me in jail, it just kind of opened my eyes up. This is a fairytale life. who was lawyer to who Who? Who really? Everybody's going to get car eventually Or you're going to die So many people I know like

Die bro doing the same people I used to run with Die bro Person like I'm saying I'm taking charges Where he dead bro Doing the same shit You still follow those rules though By not snitching you wanted to wait it out So you're saying you know one thing

But you did respect the rules That's morals, it's different My morals won't allow me to do that Where do you think those morals came from your family? My pride. My pride. I have an ego. I would say that's my pride and ego.

But eventually, when I get 60, 70 years old, that I'll drop too. I like to say I don't have pride of ego, but from that aspect, my pride and my ego. Because I consider myself stand up. You know what I mean? And really, for nobody else. This ain't for nobody else. I ain't doing it for Joe Blow and all these other people. I'm doing it for me, so I could sleep at night.

You know what I mean? But what's the difference? You could be standing up. they still going to put a law on you saying you a snitch or stuff like that. The streets is a myth, bro. You see what I'm saying? Damn if you do, damn if you don't. Shit, snitch.

You know what I mean? If you want to snitch, snitch, I wouldn't snitch. But what I'm saying is, the streets is a myth. They're going to put it on you anyways. How long were you in jail for? I'm going to say like a year and a half two years, something like that. And how were you treated in there? As a woman, did you have some respect because of your family?

No, like shit, boss stayed in the hole. You stayed in the hole? Yeah, I treated like shit. Why do you go in the hole? Because I would fight my way out, you know, being, you know, all the girls kind of wanted to force their stuff on me. A lot of them was older. Give us a scenario, yeah. How'd they do that?

What do you react and what happened after? You know, like, you know how they say, like, dudes probably get, like, raped in jail? I ain't going to say they tried to rape me, but they was, like, forcing. I'm, like, the only masculine woman there. They ain't around dudes, even a straight woman want me. You know what I mean? So a lot of them, like, forcing stuff on me, but I'm not that type of person. I'm not really to put myself up there or just, like, sleep with anybody's stuff.

That's something that can really, like, tick me off. So, like, stuff like that would kind of caught me in, like, little fights here and there. So a woman comes up to you. Yeah, but, like, aggressive, though. They don't. With the RAM Declaration of Deals, we're pledging our allegiance to the American people. With great deals on the RAM-1500. Back with the legendary Hemi V8 and the RAM Heavy Duty.

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Like, you know what I mean? Basically want me to fuck them. And I'm like, nah. Like, what do you? No, hell no. First of all, look at you. You ain't got shit. You're going to be in here for a minute.

I'd rather let my shit come to dust. You know what I mean? Like, that was my whole attitude. But that's just, like, between them trying to, like, force their self on me and me, like, because I got a temper. Well, I did back then until I worked on myself. And literally, you know, my temper wouldn't allow that. So it kind of caused complications.

And then people from the streets just trying to fuck with me, you know, coming up in there, you know, trying to fuck with me. And I got to set them straight. So what do you do when a woman comes onto you? And she doesn't listen to you when you say no. Well, honestly, jail, that only happened in jail. Like, for the most part, on the streets, women are, like, really respectful. But on the streets, it's kind of, like, different because I kind of more so, like, I'll flirt with them, go along with it.

But in jail, I'm stressed out. The fuck you come to me for that for it. I'm stressed out. I don't want none of that energy on me. And then I go for good women, you know, a woman that got a career, something going for it. I don't want nobody like me. That's a fuck out. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? So it's kind of two different scenarios. So does it automatically turn into a fight then in there? No. Well, in my situation, it's just like them keep agony. Like, you know, once I be like, you know, back off, you know, we're good. They get their feelings hurt, you know what I mean?

Or they just, they pride or whatever. And then it just kind of, it turns to like a little back and forth. I'm not going to go back and forth with you. I'm going to swing on you. So they want to argue and I want to swing. It's going to be. You know what I mean? So you just swing, popping right in the face?

Oh yeah. Yeah. When I was locked up, I was in a hole like six, seven times. Like I call home and be like, yo, I'm in a hole. I only got like 10 minutes to speak. You know what I mean? Things like that. So like for weeks, they would leave me in there for weeks, bro.

So you would just straight up hit them in the face when they came up to you? Yeah, fight or somebody would break it up. It would be like a loud, you know, altercation or once I got an, actually I got a fight, a little altercation with a prison guard to as well. What happened there? She just tried to get big with me. You know, you know how they, you know how they, you know. be uppity on you and they start so much shit.

All the problems in prison and jail, it comes from the COs. Ain't really the inmates. They start all the shit, you know, the back and forth. They don't want to start the rumors, you know what I mean? Stuff like that. If they don't like you, they're going to pick on you. They ain't like me. They know who my family was.

They tried to pick on me. They tried to send an inmate to do it. That won't go work. They saw it won't know bitch in my blood. So then she got bold enough trying to, you know, like boss me around. Like, come here, you know, this, this and that. Fuck you're talking to her. You know what I mean?

That's my attitude. Like, I won't have that. Nobody was going to walk. They thought they were because I was the youngest one there. You know, I look so innocent. You know what I mean? But then, nah, that's, don't let a pretty smile and an innocent face fool you, bro. Like, you don't know what I've been through.

You don't know what I mean? And, you know, just a lot of judgment. And then that was my first time there. The rest of them did, like, stints. So, you know, they just want to do all that shit, bully you and see how far they can take it with you. Would you do the correctional officer that was coming on to you in that sense? Oh, we got in the scuffle. You got a scuffle.

You fought a correctional officer? Like punches? Y'all, y'all. It got the scuff. She, like, actually sprung my, I think it was this wrist or whatever. Like, doing our scuffle. Yeah, there that had. It was a little scuffle.

Can you get charged with that? Yeah, but they didn't because she started and she sprung my wrist. And my lawyer happened to pop up that day to visit me to, like, you know, because we're about to go to court. and stuff. So he's just, like, going over. So, you know, for a lawyer visit, he happened to pop out right after that happened. He raised hell. So they ended up, like, kind of covering that shit up.

How long was the fight until they broke it up? She was, like, 20, 30 seconds. I don't know. Like, other guards had to, because she couldn't handle me because she tried to get big and, like, you know, try to, like, tack me and all this shit. And I won't have any, bro. I won't have in it. And then, you know, it was like a scuffle.

And then the scuffle went on until, like, other guards came in. They tackled me, got me on the ground, and all that shit. We hear from male correctional officers that have been on the show and inmates where they'll go into a cell and fight with a male inmate to sort authority and gain respect. Or the woman CEO is doing that to women? Hell no. It's not like that. No, I ain't like that. Well, in prison, it would be more like that in prison just in all areas.

In jail, you're like that. And jail is just like, people just want to fuck what you can or they probably know somebody from the street, you know what I mean? Just a lot of petty shit, more so like respect. You know what I mean? What about female guards hooking up with female inmates? Is that a thing? Oh, yeah, yeah. I have a little thing in jail.

Yeah, you had a little sweet thing. Hey, yo, shout out to you, yo. And that was an officer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't blow her up, though. No, but how does that dynamic even form? You want to know it was crazy? I actually knew her a little bit.

This guy, actually, you know, I was connected to not just the Greek and the Mexican mafia. You know, dealt with a lot of Chinese people. too in that lifestyle and things like that. So this actually is Chinese dude I knew in the streets. She entered, she was kind of doing some illegal shit with him or whatever. And I had met her in the streets before I got locked up, like a year before I got locked up. I get locked up. I'm getting locked out. I'm sitting there like three months.

She pop up and get a job there. So I'm like, oh, shit. First of all, I know what you do. So I know what you're about to do in here. But then also we kind of just like kind of kicked it off. Okay. And then do you like approach her? How does that work?

Yeah. But what if she's not about it? You could get into, that's exposure for you. Nah. What they're going to do to me? They're going to lock me off a flirting water? Now, like, if I cross the boundaries, try to, like, touch her and stuff like that on one.

And then they probably do something. But flurring, hell no. Man, there's other guards who, you know, we flirt with it, you know what I mean? How could you get away with it, though, with all the inmates watching and being jealous? Well, everybody know everybody. Like, when we was locked up, county jet,

everybody know everybody anyways. Like, I went to school with one of the guards that was there. So she's telling me everything that's going on in the streets. I knew everything. You know what I mean? So like, you know, they put out, you know, saying this and that. Like they said, the jail know it first. Dead ass.

I knew it first because of that situation. But as far as like, you know, hooking up with her, like I said, before, fast forward, I didn't even tell you this part. But we kind of was kind of kicking it off before I got locked up. So based when I got locked up, she saw me there and kind of like open the door of me kind of getting my way when she worked. You know what I mean? Things like that. And then when I got trustee, you know, walk me down to the trustee at night.

You know what I'm like, you know, kind of filled and whatever. You know what I mean? They let us do whatever. When I made it to trustee, you know, at night, that's when we work. So, but then also that's when the dudes work. So what we were locked up at, it was a men's and women's. But we kind of have to go through passing at night. So it was like five other trustees, they let them go freak off on dudes.

And me and her go right there in that little corner. little Phil, you know, a little kiss. They didn't really get to, like, the sex part really didn't have, but, you know, I got, I got off. What was your nickname in there? Roseette. Roseette, okay. They knew me as Roseette on the streets, but when I got there, they named me actually Little Baby.

Little Baby? You were a little baby? Yeah, because I was the youngest one there, and they said I looked innocent. But when I got locked out, locked up, I was all over the new, like, everybody knew it. You know what I mean? But they was like, yo, you look so innocent. Why are you here? And then they just nicknamed me a little baby, and it's crazy because you had.

later the rapper little baby came out. Oh, he wasn't even around when you were locked? I know, right? Oh, okay. So you were there for a year and a half and then what, you went to trial or you beat the case? Yeah, I got it on trial. Okay. Yep, I got on trial.

So where we found, everybody going to stay there for a year, year and a half because they're so backed up. So you don't get a trial date into a year, you know, being locked up. If you're getting denied bond, you went there that whole year into trial. So that was the situation for me. You know, and I had to go through so many lawyers because people were snitching on me, so it was a conflict of interest. So as soon as I got in there, my bontmate snitched on me. Tried to snitch on me. But we end up having the same lawyer.

So next thing I know, I get a letter in the mail, the lawyer saying it's a conflict of interest. The same day I get the letter, they escorting her out. She's leaving and gone. But we already put two and two together, everybody in our little block that she was doing that because somebody had sort of kite she was writing, and they read it and they had like my name

and they told her she knew information on me, shit like that. So I knew what to expect But I was just waiting for it to play out Because it was my first time I was just I already knew what to expect You know hearing stories People gonna be in the ear Don't say people shit

And all this other stuff So I'm playing everybody for who they are But yeah she It was just wild bro Just wild So she was the first one And it was grown ass man You know what I mean

Things like that So It like prolong my case Because I went through three different lawyers Because the lawyer that I usually get Which I say Scott Gubman shout to Scott he was working on a high-profile murder case.

It was like the UVA player had, like, some UVA player had killed somebody, sports player, I killed his girlfriend something. And he was working on that case. And then so he was working on that case. And then I had to literally wait six months in jail before I ever had, like a lawyer. So I was sitting there six months with no lawyer

because I ain't want no public defender, bro. I got money. My family got money. I'm not getting no public defender, bro. What I look like? You know what I mean? But I knew. I knew eventually I need a public defender

try to get me a bond. But once they deny my bond three times saying I was a terrorist and all this other shit and I'm not going to snitch, they didn't not let me out. So I waited six months for my lawyer. Once he got in, it took him a little extra couple months to kind of get me a date and all that other stuff and work it out.

But where we're from, that's kind of normal. You're going to sit in jail for like a, not unless you are a rat and you're going to get right out. Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that people could be not proven guilty yet or taking a guilty plea and they could be sitting in prison or jail for years. Yep. Just fighting their case.

Yep. I've known somebody that was up in there, like, I want to say, like, five years. It was a woman in there five years. Yeah, I mean, I know there's, like, certain situations where the person could legitimately be a danger of the community or a flight risk. But in a lot of scenarios, they're not either or, and they can't just afford it to get out and they're sitting there. You know it was crazy? When it was denying my bond, I was so hurt. Like, I'm not going to hurt nobody. But then I sat there and thought about it.

And I'm like, okay, this is why I'm here. Actually, this is actually saved my life. If I get out, because mine now, I got locked out. I was already out on two different bonds. It was like light shit, though. But it was like on two. They just kept trying to throw everything on me up at that point and to actually get something that stick

where I could sit in jail the cops and stuff. So that one thing, because they caught me there on the scene. They're like, oh, yeah, she got something to do with it. But really, I'm just like, I was just doing some shit I wasn't supposed to do, but I won't doing that shit that y'all got me for. I just haven't been there, and then some wild shit went down because it was a disagreement,

and then that ended up happening, and it ended up getting blowed up out of proportion. They made up some fake story in the media, the cops and shit, called the, what is it called, the news, made up a whole fucking story that won't even true, and that helped me get off and all that other stuff, too. But, yeah, for the most part, like, you know, that's my past.

And I look at it as my past and it helped me move towards my future and actually become my future. So, you know, it is what it is. So did you win at trial? Is that what ended up happening? You won? Yeah, because the guy come there and, you know, everybody that's a witness, they said it won't. I ain't have shit to do with it. But the thing is I was already, but the thing is in order not to, like, throw anybody on the bus.

Because like I said, I was already, I already was on bond for taking. charges, well, not snitch on other people who was doing some shit. And, I mean, I was involved in that, but they only pinpoint me, but they really wanted other people. So when I got locked up, I was actually on bond. So when I went to trial, I was still out on bond for two other cases. So when I went to trial, my lawyer was able to get all that knocked out and won. So I beat the case for what I actually got locked up for. And so the other charges that I was out on bond with because I didn't want to snitch, I just played guilt.

to them shits. And those are just misdemeanor? Yeah, they're misdemeanor. So right now you have no criminal record, like a felony. I do got a felony. What are we going to say is that. Okay. Well, yeah, I caught a felony pretty early and young, but that one was too serious.

But that was when you were a kid. Yeah. So doesn't that eventually come off your record? Yeah, yeah. They don't even look at that. Plus, I'm on my own business. Who really cares? So when you left jail, your life changed after that?

Immediately. I remember walking through the gates. My mom, when I, that day at court, shout out Mika, one of my close friends, my ex-pool, my mom, my dad. They was at my court date. And I remember when I stood up, the lawyer was like basically, you know, reading it and say, not guilty. I remember looking at my mom, said, I'm coming home. I remember her mouth and that shit. Come home.

My dad's in there crying like a little bitch. Like, you know, like, you know, he known as black Superman, you know, in the Westchester County. You know, he's a man. He's sitting there crying like a little bitch And my mom looking at him like, man, up But I knew it was his tears like my child Get a second chance And my mom, she's just so cocky and confident

She's just like, I knew you get a second chance But when I looked at them And I actually saw in the eyes the hurt and the let down How I let them down And I knew I had to go home Answer to my younger siblings and my grandparents Bro, I had no choice but to change my life around, bro. I had no choice but to change my life around

besides wanting it for me. And my grandma died shortly after I got out of jail. She was hanging on for me, bro. I did it for her. You know what I mean? I changed my life for her. Really, that's my main reason, besides for me, for the kids that looked up for me.

It's for my grandmother. I wanted my grandparents to see a different side of me than they saw who I become from teenager to that early 20 age. As a kid, I was lovable. I was, you know, shit. But I kind of took a turn from like 13 to like early 20s. But then I was able, my grandma, like I said, she didn't see me change my life around,

but she saw me be able to get out and start that process. My grandfather, he saw me change my life around. And that means the world of me. And it's like once, you know, he saw me in good standings, you know, he passed. But he really passed. We're almost halfway through the year, and a lot of people are running on empty without fully realizing it. Grow therapy helps you find care

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You know, brokenhearted from my grandmother. So what do you get into after getting out because your life was used to the street life? Was it a hard adjustment going back to the normal life? No, absolutely not because the way how I ran in the streets, it wasn't like a hustle. I treated it as a business. So when I got out, before I got out, I was already working on a custom apparel. Like, you know how people doing a custom t-shirt?

I was doing that 15 years ago. I was doing that as a young kid. And so I had wanted to turn into a business. That's what I was going to do to get out the streets. That's why I was going to move my dad and just focus on that. So when I, the whole time I was in job, I mapped out my business plan. I learned how to, I read the Bible.

I never even thought, you know what I mean? me, I got sharper. I got wiser. You know what I mean? I was able also just to connect with other people who kept coming in and out the judges picked their brain and got stories from them just wanted to see their mistakes and so I wouldn't repeat them. You know what I mean? You know things like that. But I, bro, everything, you know what I mean? Were there ever instances where you felt like getting gravitating back towards street life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, when I, um, when I first got out, the only job I ever had in my life, I actually go back to how I got into business too as well.

I kind of went off subject. But my first only job, it was three weeks after, that's how I knew I was going to change my life. Got out of jail. Three weeks after I got a job, got a job. I was like, oh, I'm on this. People, nobody that I knew got locked up did that. Get out of jail, like once you got.

I said, oh, I'm on this something. and then I got that job I was that Dick's sporting good but anyways you know I'm still fresh from jail and you know anyways I had a cousin and this guy who worked with me at Dix

he was selling weed but he was being really flashy about being cocky with it he would bring like the bookback full of jars full of weed and I don't like that I'm still trying to adjust from being from the streets and getting just from being just let out from jail and

still being fresh from the streets Like the street mentality, like, I'm going to rob this nigga. Like, you know what I mean? I'm just saying like he being too flacc. I don't like that. Don't be flashy around me. You're asking to get robbed. You're asking to get robbed.

You know what I mean? He being flashy. Being flashed. I didn't like it. He did something to me one day. I didn't like it. I called my cousin and was like, yeah, we got a lick. I set his ass up.

We robbed his ass, took him for everything he had. And that was the last time. Once that happened, immediately when that happened, I looked at my cousin's like, yo, you could have all that shit, bro. This shit ain't for me. I felt bad. I felt guilt.

Like, you know what I mean? I just felt because really, up into that point, I really never robbed anybody personally. You know, I knew people was going to plot, you know, people and stuff like that. I never actually, I think I was so angry about going to jail

for something I didn't do. I just wanted, like, I don't know. I just had to get something out my system, bro. And that was an easy lick. Anybody saw that as an easy lick. But anyways, his situation. That was the last time. I was like, nah, bro.

This ain't for me. Plus, it was so cheesy and corny. Like, who robs? That's some broke shit. You know what I mean? Who does stuff like that? And I looked at it at that point of view, too, and I was like, no, I'm a boss. Why am I doing this?

Like, I'm pissed off at him for something somebody else did to me, and I'm taking out on him because he being flashy like that person because I got in trouble because of them. You see what I'm saying? So it was my PTSD triggering, and he got the. after-bas, basically. And then, but once I tackled that and noticed that was corny, I didn't want any parts of that. And then

going to therapy kind of helped me also change all that up immediately. How did therapy help you? It took a while. It took a while the right people, and it helped me, you know what I mean? It helped me a lot. Like, I never would have thought I would be so at peace. If that

makes sense, like so much shit I saw growing up, so much stuff I've been through growing up and so much karma I had on me for the things I did in the streets. I ain't even, you know how like you breathe and it feels so heavy on your chest? That's how I would breathe. But like going to therapy and also wanting myself, just changing myself just in general, out there help, I can breathe. I'm at peace, you know, I'll be doing yoga.

I don't even think I would have ever thought of doing it, you know what I mean? I'm so at peace and so content. It's like sometimes I can't even believe it. I'm here, you know what I mean? So. But I want to touch. answer you a question by like kind of how like I got into like the business right after

being locked up. So basically like the T-shirt business I had before I got locked up. So that helped me change my life around. So when I got back out, I had the designs. I already knew the everything that I wanted for the business. I knew that I had everything locked up and loaded as far as a blueprint because I did the whole time I was in jail. That was all I focused on. And my dad, you know, he got money, you know what I mean?

A little bit of money. So that kind of opened up the door to me starting that business, me starting that T-shirt business, my haters was wearing my shirts, bro. I had people come here doing, you know, custom T-shirts. That was mainly where I focused on. I had my own clothes on, but custom T-shirts. And again, I'm known in the streets. Me and my 20 were known.

Everybody knows. So this girl, her brother died. He was really popping in the streets. Everybody knew him, too. and she wanted some shirts made it was like coming up a year his anniversary she wanted some shirts made because it was going to make it like a every year thing

and I think the first year was like a hundred shirts we ended up I made a hundred shirts you know she it was pre-ordered then we made like a hundred shirts something kind of small and it sold out within like five minutes like you know what I mean along with pre-order we made extra but everybody came got their shirts within like five minutes

she put it up on Facebook Facebook popping next year around I made 500 shirts and it sold out within 15 minutes, bro. 15 minutes, I'm not lying. Everybody knew. But nobody knew who was making these shirts. Nobody knew.

People knew because I had my sister promoted for me. So I was the business person behind my business. But my sister would market for me. So she would take my business card and pass it out to people. Actually, I think that's how she, the girl that I did the shirts for found out. My sister gave business cards. So we kind of tagged him. But she ain't a good partner.

So she a hater. It didn't last long. But anyways, that's how it started. So the next year, after selling out 500 shirts, a company that was moving into town, they heard of me. It was a big T-shirt. I'm not going to mention it now. I'm not going to give them free views.

But it was a big T-shirt company, the biggest actually in the country. And they heard about me. They opened up a T-shirt company. They need help with the marketing and community outreach. And, you know, kind of want to know the area and how I did it. They was hearing what I was doing, just doing something off my mom.

porch or my mom kitchen you know what I mean these shirts and so they contract me into helping starting and creating their business and showing the blueprint how I was doing the shirts kind of how um also how like even down to like my method of of like printing the shirts and things like that and that lasts a couple years um and they end up being making a million dollars a day like you know meet with my help and you know start for like eight people they end up having like 500 people people working within that time span of me getting out of jail until my contract was up. So within that like five to six years time span, that all happened. And once my contract was up with them, I said, oh, shit, I'm on to something.

I could take businesses and blow them up off learning what I knew off the streets. So anyways, bottom line, it was an easy transition. That was your question. It was an easy transition because I told you, I thought everything business-wise when I was in the streets. Everything I did, like people look at it. Oh, it was a hustle, it was a ground. No, it was business. Like, every time I got money was business.

Because I never need to be in the streets for money. You know what I mean? I had everything growing up. It was more so, it was my own, yeah, being in the streets, my own money, but I was a spoiled kid growing up, so I really didn't need to go that route. So it was more like, you know, respect and, you know, and then, yeah, money and things like that. But anyways, it helped me, knowing that knowledge,

helped me, you know, blow up what I was doing. And companies started hiring me to start their brands and market their brands and help them expand their brands. And that's what I do to this day. But I kind of focused that more so on the cannabis business now. So I took all those methods and focused on helping people grow their cannabis brand. That's awesome. What advice would you give to someone that has left the life and has kind of temptations to get back into the life? Because there's a lot of listeners on our show that, you know, they were involved in criminal action.

activities or battled with addiction or anything like that. And they're trying their best to overcome that. And sometimes, you know, temptations like that, if that's the only thing you're successful and in your life and you're struggling now, you might be tempted to get back into that because that's the easy, fast money. Yeah. So what would you tell people? You got to want it.

You got to want it. The first thing to admit you have addiction to is the first thing to identify you have addiction is to admit. Same thing in the streets. to admit that you got a problem, bro. You got a problem. Being addicted to the street life, that's a problem. You need help for that.

So you got to want it. You can't just get out because it's still going to be in you. You know, once a person with addiction, you're going to always have those craving. Same thing with the streets. You're going to always have those craving, but you got to want it. So, for instance, like my grandfather, he used to smoke, a pack of cigarettes, a couple of day. Alcoholics, the reason why some of my family are alcoholists. day, you know, because it tripled down from him.

But anyways, he changed his life around and never, from 50 years from that point on, when they told me he was going to die, he cold turkey quit everything. 50 years didn't touch nothing, something that he was addicted to. So you got to want it, bro. You got to warn it. The only thing you can get out of anything, the only thing you're going to make it out of anything, you've got to want it. You have to have a strong mentality.

And a lot of people can't do it because they don't have a storm mentality. Yeah, it takes a lot. It takes a lot to overcome those challenges. And tribulations, but when you are able to get through it, life is so much different and better in a good way. And you bring people that are meant to be in your life to you. Yeah, they're just drawn to you. Yeah. That's good energy.

Yeah, yeah. Well, Nesta, thank you so much for coming on the show today. It was a pleasure talking to you and safe travels. You're driving to Colorado now, right? Yeah, yeah, Colorado and I got a couple other states on my head up to it. Oh, wow. A very exciting road trip you got. Yeah, yeah, it is, it is.

It's going to be long, but it's going to be cool. Awesome. Do you listen to, like, music or podcasts or anything? I do. I listen to a lot of things. I like the Breakfast Club. You know, definitely podcasts, a lot of music, hip-hop. I love Dave East.

That's my favorite, one of my favorite artists, Jada Kiss. Oh, yeah, I just love hip-hop, girl. Do you have a favorite episode of this podcast? It's going to be mine now. Well, before that. My favorite one was definitely, I think you had a prison guard on. The Rikers Island one. The Big guy.

Yeah, we just had Part 2 come out the other day. Oh, did you? I got to check it out. I've been so busy. With the butt-ass. Yeah. That was it, the Badoosy, he was saying, the big guy? Yeah.

Or was it the corrupt one? It was the student. Yeah, it is. It really, really is. You know, make them feel comfortable. Yeah. Do you think you'll listen to your own? Oh yeah, yeah, I'll definitely listen to it for sure. Yeah, I always wonder if, like, guests listen to their own episode or if they don't, because I hate hearing myself talk.

See, usually I did another YouTube situation, and I didn't look at that one. Like, my family was like, oh my God, you did so good, you know. Well, you killed it on this one, you slayed it. You think so? Yeah, you did really good. You're really well-spoken, good energy, you know, and that's what you need on an episode. I appreciate that. I appreciate you, and safe travels back.