Locked In with Ian Bick - Professional Car Thief Exposes His SECRET Method to Make MILLIONS Stealing & Selling Cars | Skinny Keem

Episode Date: November 18, 2024

Skinny Keem, a former professional car thief, sits down to reveal the underground world of car theft and the secret methods he used to make millions stealing and selling cars. From the tactics used to break into luxury vehicles to navigating the black market for stolen cars, Skinny Keem shares his journey, the high-stakes risks, and the surprising tricks that made him a master in the trade. #CarTheftSecrets #CrimeStories #SkinnyKeem #MillionDollarHustle #UndergroundMarket #AutoTheft #TrueCrimeExposed #LuxuryCarHeist Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Thank you to our sponsors this week: BetterHelp: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at https://www.betterhelp.com/get-starte... and get on your way to being your best self and get 10% off your first month! Connect with Skinny Keem: https://www.instagram.com/skinny.keem/?hl=en https://www.youtube.com/@Skinnykeem Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Skinny Keem's Unexpected Podcast Success 00:05:17 Dream of Becoming a Musician 00:10:30 Transition from Rap to Street Life 00:16:04 Transitioning from Street Life 00:21:18 Life Inside a Cell: Broken Arms and Heartbreak 00:26:18 The Mechanics of Car Theft and Resale 00:31:26 Navigating the Dealer Plate Trick 00:36:41 The Economics of Car Theft Operations 00:41:46 A Risky Car Business Operation 00:46:56 Investing in the Movie Industry 00:51:54 The World of a Car Thief: Inside Perspectives 00:56:56 Working in Close Community Ties 01:02:03 Escaping Arrest in Atlanta 01:07:14 High-Speed Car Chase to New York 01:12:18 Reflections on a Past Life of Crime 01:17:19 The Power of Compassion in Unlikely Circumstances 01:22:16 Tips for Crafting a Catchy Story Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You live in Florida now, but you're from Philly? Yeah, I'm from Philly. Awesome. Florida, St. Louis. I'll be all over, yeah. And now you're all over the Internet. Yeah. Now, was that the first podcast you did?

Yeah, it was the first podcast I did. Did you expect it to kind of like blow up the way it did? No, not at all. Not at all. The story is so wild that is unbelievable, so I thought people would just write it off. And before I even talk to you, I had like three or four people that were hitting me up saying, you got to get skinny keem on the show, you got to get skinny keem. And then I think that's when I DM'd you or you DM me or however it work.

Yeah, you sent somebody on Instagram your phone number, and I got your phone number that way. That's so cool. Well, you know, I appreciate you making it down here to make this work. Hopefully you got to see some of your fam in Philly. Yeah. Are you staying there now? Yeah, I'm staying over there by the airport, yeah. Awesome.

So what was growing up there like? Hell. It was crazy there. Well, as in the childhood days, you know, I really didn't know what was going on around me like that. So it really didn't bother me. But when I got to like 13 or 14, then I could understand what was going on in the streets and stuff, that's when the hell came in. Did you grow up with your mom, dad, siblings? Yeah, I grew up with my, first it was my mom and my dad. And then I guess, they broke up. Then it was just me, my mom, my two brothers and my sister, and we came up in South Philadelphia. Did you guys have money growing up? Yeah, my mom had, she had some money when we was growing up. But times got hard after a little, after like in the teens when I turned in the teens.

Yeah, times got hard. But the childhood, childhood, yeah, we was fine. How's South Philly that like the neighborhood for people that have never been to Philly before? Well, back then, South Philly, it was like, like we had a lot of block parties and stuff like that. But maybe a couple blocks up or be warm with a couple blocks over. But like I said, we never really knew about that. I can remember this one time I was at a block party on my block. And I forget how old I was. And I thought it was fireworks, but it was somebody shooting off the roof at somebody on the block, on Capitol

the street. So yeah, that was wild. Because I thought it was like little fireworks going up in the air, but kind of find out, and the guy that was out there had a bulletproof vessel on and all the kids was out there. So yeah, it was pretty wild. But like I said, we didn't notice it. We wouldn't notice it. We're all kids. We just running around having fun. Was that like your first time you would say you were exposed to, like, crime at all? Yeah, but still not knowing until later on, yeah. Interesting. How would your siblings describe you when you were a kid? Like, if we had childhood skinny keem here what would they say about you i probably had a temper that's what

they would say but i would always be like to be by myself i would always be by myself and i always would be very observant of everybody around me it's like an energy thing i guess do you think you're still that way today yes very i could i could go months being by myself yeah there is a power and kind of being by yourself and enjoying that alone time. Yeah, I manifest a lot. So I got to be by myself when I manifest. That's awesome. Did you go to a public high school?

Yeah, I went to Strawberry Mansion, and I went to Simon Gratz. Yeah, them in the high schools I went to. But it wasn't even like I was going to school. I would just go to school and rap. That's all. So it was like I dropped out, but I would go back to school

just to battle people in the hallways and stuff. I wouldn't go to no classes. I would be at lunch. Everybody lunch, like, for all four lunches. When did you get into music? I think when Chris Cross came out. Jump, jump, yep. How old were you when that happened?

I had to be like 12. 11 to 12. And my brother wrote my first rap. And then after that, I just learned how to rap. I knew I could rap. And did you know that was, like, the career you wanted to go in too long? term or was it just kind of like a hobby at the time? Then that was the career I wanted to go into.

That's what I thought I was going to be. I thought I was going to be a big, big rapper. Because it was like, it's kind of like it is now. Like I was always a known person, even at a younger age. I would go to school and everybody would know me even at a younger age. It's like, I don't know if I was chasing being known or it just was come naturally. I'm a Leo, so I guess it comes naturally. How did your mom receive?

respond to you kind of, you know, not taking school too seriously in high school. She used to be mad. She used to want me to go to school so bad. And she say, if you graduate, I'm going to get you a limo and she's going to do all the stuff. I had one, my whole life, I had one good report card. And I was so proud of myself. I carried this report card with me every day in a book bag. Every day I was so proud of myself. Did you have dreams to go to college at all? No. No, my dream was to be a musician, was to be on that TV.

That was my dream. Do you think that having that dream is what kind of got you into trouble? I think so, because I thought it wasn't nothing else out there for me. Because I was, I don't know if I was hard-headed, but I just didn't want to learn. I could learn the streets, but I couldn't learn school. And then when I could learn school and I got the good report card, I just was like, I don't want to do it. I don't know why, though. When do you think was your first, you know, experience in the streets?

My first experience, seeing something in the streets, or? Well, you told us about that, the shooting incident. Okay, so it was another one. So the second one was the young man, Marcus Jates, in the corner store. The first one I seen was in South Philly on Capitol Street. So these guys, they, I think they got in a fight or something. And they left, and then they came back. was in this beat-up car and they came down the block and one dude was running the of the car had

came down the block and stopped and one dude came around the corner running with a baseball bat he bust the windows out in the house and then ran back to the car and then somebody ran out the house and started shooting at the car and me i think it was me and my brother or me and my sister was standing in the doorway in between the door and the screen door and we just watched it all just watched it all happen. What were your thoughts of that? Just scared. I think at that age you really don't have the thoughts to comprehend what's going on.

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Now let's get back into it. Do you think if you had, you know, been in a different city maybe or a different environment, you never would have even been exposed to that or would that have happened anywhere? No, because even being in Florida, I don't, if I was in Florida, probably not.

Because being out Florida now, I don't see nothing. I don't, it's like the Simpsons out there. Like you, people come, they leave out for work at six and come home at five, and it's just like that, like the streets is clear. So I wonder if it was like that back in the day out there. Because Philly, it was. Philly was bustling. It was, you know.

Because they do all the white collar stuff in Florida, man. They got all the scam artists. They're doing that from their bedroom. Yeah. So Philly, you got the guns and the drugs and the, well, they got there everywhere, but you know, the inner cities is more where it goes down at. So you don't end up graduating high school? Nope.

I didn't. What happens? I just stopped going, and I had started rapping for this group in South Philly. It was called Off the Hook, so that really made me stop going to school because I thought I made it. They gave me a jacket. I was on the CD, and I'm like, all right, I made it, I'm out of here. And then that fell apart. What happened?

I don't really remember what happened. I just know that I wasn't rapping with them no more. And then I tried to go to major figures. I was trying to, I knew this guy named Tudder, and he had major figures, and they used to all be out on 12th Street. So I used to always go down there. I used to be like, yo, let me rap.

I want to rap for y'all. But that never happened, so. Were you making money as, like, a young rapper? Or are you just got the perks of it? No. That's why I got out of rap. The most money I made in rap was $35. At least you're honest.

Yeah, $35 was the most I ever made in rap. The streets is what got me everything I ever wanted. What was the $35 from? Like a CD or something? No, to perform somewhere. I think it was called, it was down there on Sisu B Moore. And it was like a house, but when you go through the, when you go through the alleyway, it was.

There was a club back there and it was a stage and we got $35 to perform. I got $35. That's so funny. That's the most ever made with rap and I'm like, man, this ain't doing it. So I was still rap but I would go on to other things while I was rapping, not making the money. So I would just hide what I was doing and act like I'm getting paid from rap. So how do you transition to street life then at that young age or does that come later on?

I could say about, I had to be about 19 or 20 when I really transformed into the street life. I started selling weed for this guy in Logan. And I liked it how the money was coming. So that's what it turned me into the street life. But I had this one friend that he didn't want me to do nothing. His name was cheating. He didn't want me to be in the streets for nothing. And so he would just come and get me all the time, and I'd be with him.

And whatever he's doing, he would do, but he wouldn't let me do it. But I would be around him, but he would just give me money just to say out of the street because he knew I could rap, and he wanted me to be a rapper. So why do you think you were influenced to get into the streets? Because I feel like your mom kind of grew you, you know, raised you in a good way. Yeah. So the influence in the street was, I think it, I think it, I think it was maybe rap, but like coming up, I did watch all the hustlers and stuff.

And I seen how they was getting money and I seen how girls was coming around them and all that. So I used to always see that. But as for me, I wasn't getting no money what I was doing. So I transferred to the streets fast. But I always kept it low key where you wouldn't know. So ain't nobody really know. Nobody knew I was selling weed at the time. How much money would you say you were making?

With the weed? Yeah. Maybe like $2,000 a week or something. Just for yourself after expenses picking up everything? No, because I was hustling for somebody. I wasn't getting bokes of it. I would hustle for somebody. So we had this block out in Southwest Philly.

And the guy he was giving us, I think, 115 bundles, right? So I got mad. And I'm like, man, don't nobody want to 115.15. bundle man so he took it up to 130 I mean it was only 15 more dollars but I was the only one I wasn't smoking so I was I was saving all my money so I would put my money in a freezer and I would just stack it up and then I just start going buying cars and stuff and then I met this other guy and he was he was bigger on a bigger level and he really he really pipped me on and then that's when I I could say I was, I started moving to crack.

I started moving crack on the block. And then I made this rap. I said, I don't care if this is a weed block. I'm putting rocks out. And I had rocks out on the block. But I was making a lot of money. I was buying cars and stuff like that. Now, throughout this time, did you ever use the drugs yourself?

No. Nope. I never, I never wanted to smoke would be high. Why was that? I think I like my money. too much and I always was paranoid. I was a paranoid person. I always thought somebody was out to get me because of what I was doing, not knowing that ain't nobody know I was doing. So I'd be very closed then. So if we was going out of something, I'd be like, all right, man, I got to go. I got to go.

One time I got caught with a bulletproof vest on at a party. So I'm going over to the party and I'm with all my friends and I get to the door and they pat me down and it comes. And it The cops say, take this motherfucker in and take it to the back and break him the fuck down. I pushed the cop off and I ran. And I ain't come out for like two days because I thought they was looking for me. Did you ever get busted for that or not? No, I got busted with a bulletproof vest on. Yeah, I got busted with a bulletproof vest on.

So was that just out of paranoia or were people hunting you because you were becoming a drug dealer? That you had to wear the vest. It was paranoia, but in the streets, it's still. You never know. So I just all I had a bulletproof hat too. I had a bulletproof vest. I had a bulletproof hat and I had got my windows. I had got this BMW and I had got my windows bulletproof.

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Ain't nobody even really know I was. Everything I do, I'm smooth with it. So I don't, you know, you wouldn't know. But, yeah, I was moving like a brick of wheat. And I'm a sneaky tip. What's a comparison of moving those kind of drugs versus weed? Like, how much more money do you make? A lot more.

Well, back then, now I don't even think nobody did crack no more. I don't know. I haven't seen it in years. But I didn't know what I was doing back then because I wasn't probably getting paid the full amount. I'm not going to say I was a crash dummy, but I was a crash dummy, but people still took care of me.

So say like we'll go and pick up a, we'll go and pick up a bird. They call it a bird. So we'll go and pick up a bird and I be the one holding the money and then I'd be the one holding the paper bag to come back. And yeah. What were your siblings doing at this time?

Did they get into the street? life at all or do they find their own careers? My little brother, he was playing basketball at the time. So I never wanted him to see the street life. So I always wanted him to play basketball. And my older brother, he used to be down Hunting Park. So if you know about Hunting Park, then you know what's going on out there. Actually, I'm not, let me take you back a little bit.

I did hustle in 1997. I was hustling on Sixth and Pike in a little store I was selling weed. And then I stopped though and then I put my brother on it. Because I always, I don't know why. I always would pit somebody else on it and let them get the money and then I fall back. Even if I'm broke, I fall back.

I just love to see other people get money and just stay out the way. So my brother started giving me money. I mean, yeah, he started giving me money as he was making it because I put him on to that. But when we got to Southwest, he stayed down at Hunting Park. He stayed down there for years. So he was doing his thing down there, and I was doing my thing up in Southwest.

So what do you think your motivation was? Did you care about the money? Did you want to be like a kingpin? What did you want to do? What was the long-term goal back then? I think the long-term goal was just to be known just for everybody to come to me when they had to do something. not on no, I'm the king, I'm the, I'm the, I'm not.

It's just, I just was friendly. I just wanted to be everybody's friend. I ain't like no drama or nothing. If I could go around any drama, I would always go around the drama. So how do you transition from drugs to cars? What does that look like? So I got, I got questioned for a murder and they kept me in jail. So while I was in jail, I had to think about another way.

to get money, even though car thing wasn't nothing. So I didn't know what I was going to do when I got out of jail, and that just so happens to stumble upon me. I don't know if I was going to come back out and sell drugs or what, but I knew that that wasn't a life I wanted, not drug dealing, because people would be getting messed up off of that. And my feelings used to be like, dag, man, you got a lady coming down trying to sell stuff for her kids,

trying to sell a video game and all that. So I don't know what I was going to do when I got out, but that just so happens to fall in my lap. How old were you when you got questioned for that murder? I was 26. I had to be 26 when they kept me in jail. Yeah, I was 26. How long were you in jail for? Six months.

And was that your only experience in jail up until that point? No, I did some months in Chester County. I did some months and CF, CF. Yeah, just just little stints here and there. I was like too smooth to go to jail.

Even when I went to jail, you know what I did? I wrote the judge. And the judge let me out of jail. What would you write? I forget what I wrote him, but he let me out of jail. And I was like, well, damn, and I was cussing in the letter and everything.

I just was like, I think I'm a realistic. I think I'm a realistic person. So I'm going to tell you how I feel. And he got the letter and he let me out. He just said, don't let me see you back in here. Then he sent me back in there. And what were those charges for, just drug-related offenses? Drug-related, yeah, drug-related offenses.

So by the time you got hemmed up for the murder investigation, did you have it in your mind that you needed to get out of the drug game? No. You still wanted to sell drugs. Yeah, only, only, when you're in jail, you think a lot. So that's when you get the thinking on what you're going to do when you come out here. You do a lot of praying in there. And a lot of God, please get me out of here, and I ain't going to do it no more.

So that's the dead. Do you end up getting charged with a murder? No. Okay, so you be there or whatever happens. Yeah, no, it wasn't. I ain't had to be nothing. It's just, I just let me out after. I got contempt of court.

And let me out of there. Do you get any money for that? for being held for that long? No, so what happened was I broke both my arms in jail. And I kept telling them, I'm not supposed to be here. I'm not supposed to be here anyway. So I was in my cell,

and the guy in my cell had a Colossity bag. So, you know, they cut our lights out because we had a four-man cell. So they cut the lights out in the cell, and he had the Colossity bag on the floor. And you know, you ain't supposed to have that shit in the cell. and I slips and I falls on it

and I break my arm. That was the first arm? No, that was the second time. The first time I fell out and the steps. There was some water at the top tear and shit. So I broke both my arms and I was like, fucked up for like months. And then when they let me out of there,

I went over to Chester County jail and the motherfucker died next to me in the jail. His name was Samuel. He died from a heart attack. They wouldn't come and save him. He kept telling him his heart, his chest was hurt, and his chest was hurting.

And I'm in the affirmory because I got the two broken arms. So they bring them in there and I'm just laying there and he just died. Dave was all in there like, Samuel, Samuel, Samuel, say you. Wake up, wake up, wake up.

And he just died in there. So what's going through your mind? Do you like, get me out of here? I can't do this anymore. I'm never coming back or? No, but that shit hurting me, though, because I used to see him on the block all the time. And when you ask in a CO to come help you

and they don't, that'd be the crazy thing. So what they did was, I was trying to sue him, though, for that, though, but I didn't go through it. What they did was they pulled the curtain back, so I couldn't see what was going over there. They know they let him die. They just let him die. Then they snuck him out of jail.

How old was he? I don't know. He had to be like 23 or something. Oh, he was young. Yeah, he was young. Wow. Yeah, he was young. And you couldn't report it or anything?

I tried, but they don't care. And then once they let you out of jail, you don't care about nothing no more. I'm out. I don't care. Well, not saying that I don't care that he died, but, you know, your life goes on when you get out of jail. When you're in there, you're thinking about how you're going to get out and shit. When you get out is off. You're like, all right.

So how does the car thing fall into your lap that you were just telling us about? So I came home from jail, and I went to the mall one day. and I ran into one of my friends at the mall and he wanted me to promote his music on my MySpace page because I had like a million, I had like a million views on MySpace back then because I always was popping. So he wanted me to promote a song on his MySpace.

So I knew he took cars. So I'm like, yo, all right, I'm going to promote your music on my MySpace. Just give me an Audi TT. I wanted an Audi TT, a drop-top Audi-T-T-T, Wintertime. I ain't give a fuck. So he's like, all right, I'm going to come get you tomorrow and we're going to go get the Audi TT. So he comes to my mom house the next day and we go out. But he didn't, we didn't go for an Audi TT.

He bought these Chrysler 300 keys. So it was 2006, Chrysler 300 key and it was 2006 or 2007 keys. I know everything he used to get used to be like a year ahead. So we go and he parks across the street from the lot. and he's like, all right, come on. I didn't know I was taking nothing. I didn't know. So he's like, all right, come on.

I'm like, all right, come on. He's like, all right, come on. I'm going to go to him. So we go over the lot and I'm walking around. He gets in his car and what he told me, he said, when I get in, you got to get in yours and ride off too. So he gets in his car and he rides off. And I'm stuck at the car.

I get stuck because I ain't ever do this before. And I'm like, fuck that. I'm not doing it. I run back across the highway to the car and I go back and he just meet me back around the way. And he goes sales that, he goes sells the Chrysler. So he like, all right, I'm going to take you out to Mark the next day. So he took me out the next day and he got me at F-150.

So that was the payment for promoting him on my MySpace. Wait, did you know that he was going to steal a car to give it to you? Yeah, I knew it. You knew what that he was a car. Yeah, that's what we was going for. Yeah, yeah, I knew. Because he was doing it back in, In the 90s, he was doing it.

But I don't think they was getting that much money for it back then. Back in the 90s, he was doing it. He was taking the cars and shit. And I knew he was taking them then, but I ain't know how to drive, so I ain't give a fuck about it. I used to just be like, oh, shit, he got the new car and shit. All right, so I have some questions. The first one is, where do the keys come from? How do you have the keys?

The keys come from either the key room in the car lot or back then they was real careless. So it could be keys sitting on the counter. It could be keys sitting behind a desk. But if you go in there, you just see a key. It don't matter what key it is, you just take the key. Either you come back the next day or you take it right then. They'd be so oblivious to stuff. They wouldn't even, they ain't even know.

So when he picked you up, he already had the keys. He already had the keys. He already went out. So the second time, we were supposed to get a motorhome, a RV, a motorhome. But we just ended up getting the F-150. He got me to F-150. and I was cool. I drove that motherfucker for like six months

and they didn't get caught. So back then, are there beepers on it, like for the alarm? Some of them had beeps, but then some of them just, you just key it. You know,

you just open it with the key. But, like, the Chrysler 300s had the key five. But how do you know which car that goes to that key? You're kind of shooting blind, right? So sometimes he would go on a manifest on the computer.

and look and see what cars is coming into the dealer. I don't know how the fuck he was getting the keys to that, though. But, yeah, it, man, they used to just take them. And then if the key didn't have the chirp-churp on it, it always has a tag on it to show you what car it is. And no one sees you guys just driving off with these cars that first time. No. And why did you get stuck?

Were you in the wrong car? No, I got scared. I got scared. I was like, because I ain't ever do it before. I got scared. and I got the hell out of there. And no one's chasing. No one sees like the car leaving.

Nope. And when we was leaving, it was a cop on the side of the expressway. And this dude knew how to drive. So he ain't even care. He fly right past the cop. What kind of time of day is it? Is it nighttime dayday? Early in the morning.

So is the shop open? Yeah, the shop open. It'd be like eight or nine in the morning. They'd be over. Wow. So you're doing this blatantly? Blatently. Okay.

And so how much does a stolen car sell for back then? Back then? Like if a car say 15 grand, how much do you get if it's stolen with no papers? I would get like 5,000 and then break, but and then break down whoever, you know, got it. So if somebody got it, maybe I'd give them $1,000 because I really needed luxury cars. So if you bought me something like a charger, I'm not going to give you, you're not going to get that much money. Because most of the time, they like, they'd be like bait. They'd be like the bait cars.

Like, they would put that in the container. So, all right, they took the charger, but we got the Bentley's over here. So that's what I would do. And then I would just buy random cars and just park them around. I ain't like nobody else having no cars parked around. But if it was mine, I knew that they was mine parked around. So when I'm ready to sell them. Now, the people that are buying the cars, are they using them for pleasure?

Or are they trying to resell them or break them down for parts? No, they're going straight overseas for resale. Ah, okay. Yeah. country in Africa anywhere. And they get a higher rate. Higher rate.

I had a friend in L.A. who just got his car stolen and that shit was in like a different country by the next day. Like one day it's parks. Well, it ain't going to be there by the next day. It takes three weeks. Now unless they put that motherfucker on a plane,

but I doubt if anybody are going to do that. So it takes about three weeks. So the whole process would take about four weeks because you got to you know, ask for the car. Then you got to get the container.

then it got to be on the water for at least three weeks before it get overseas. And how do you find people to buy these cars? Like Craigslist? No, I got a gift. I just think I got a gift. Even now, people, I don't know if people can do it or they may, I don't know, but the way that people come to me is, hey, I heard about what you was doing. how could I do this too?

And I'd be like, well, damn, it's just, it's simple. It's simple, but I think I got a gift. I just know how to talk and I know what people want. I could fill your energy on what you want. So if I'm out, say if I'm in D.C., I would be in stadium, the strip club. And if it's an African guy in there and he throwing money, I would get close to him.

And I would start partying with them and shit. And I'd be like, man, you look like you probably drive a bins or something. And he probably actually drive a bins. He would like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I'd be like, oh, I could get you. I could get you a Benz. And then he'd be like, well, what's the deal with it?

And I'd be like, I ain't got no paperwork. He'd be like, all right, take my number. Take my number. And then I just, I had like 20 buyers, man. Wow. And no one cares no paperwork at all. No papers. Is there a way to fabricate paperwork?

I don't even care. No papers at all. No papers at all. I ain't never deal with papers or nothing. All right, so here's a question. When you go and get the car, are you bringing fake plates or something? So you're just riding out that with no plates? Oh, there were plates?

Yeah, if it's a plate on it, but if it is no plate on it, I have a tell car. A tow, someone to tow it? No, no, a tell car that's telling the car that's behind it, driving behind it. So if I'm going to D.C., I got a car behind it. So no one can see that that's plateless? Yeah. Wouldn't it have been better to just slap another plate on it or something? Sometimes, but sometimes the cops get behind it and want to run the plate.

So even if they're in another land or something, they want to run the plate. We used to drive them with no plates from Maryland. Yeah, we used to drive them. Or somebody that had a dealer plate, so when the cops see dealer, they won't mess with it. Yeah. But everybody that I really messed with was sophisticated drivers. So they knew the ins and outs of everything that we was doing. Now, this system could it work today with all the time?

technology of like the trackers and everything if I was running it but in general do you think it would even work I feel like people would get caught quick no I don't I don't know you don't want to ruin the game for yeah all right so how do you transition that first time you know you get the truck after that and then the Chrysler's how do you create your own business with it so I have the truck and I always go to southwest Philly every day like no matter I'm in Southwest Philly every day and I'm riding. So I go to my block in Southwest Philly and I run into one of my homies. And he asked me, did I want to sell a truck?

And I'm like, who are going to buy this truck with no papers and all that? Because I had a truck tag on it that didn't go to that. So, because they don't mess with you. If you got a truck tag on your, on your truck, it don't even matter what the number to say. Long as to say truck on there, the cops going to see truck and just keep it going. So my friend, he came up to him. me, he rolled up on me and he was like,

you want to sell that truck? And I'm like, I didn't want to because I didn't have nothing to drive, but I'm like, all right, how much can I get? So he calls his plug and he says, he told me $1,500. I'm like, all right, fuck it. I just

came home from jail six months ago, so I need the $1,500. So I'm like, all right, give me the $1,500. So I sells the truck and he lets me meet the plug. So I'm talking to the guy and I'm like, well, like, what's the operation? What's going on? Like, what do you need? And he tells me he needs range rovers. So I'm like, shit, I'm saying this to myself. I know

who can get the range rovers. I know who got him. So I shake his hand, leave. And I tell my homie, I said, all right, I'm going to call you in a few days. So I go home and I start mastermind and how can I do this? So I call a guy that took me to get the Chrysler. and all that. I call him and say, hey, I got $2,500 for every range rover you bring me, but I'm going to take the $500. Right? So I would pay him $2,500. He would give me five, and then I would ask for an extra two. So I was walking away with seven on each join. So we got about six range rovers. The first range rovers we got, I think it was a cop. I think it was a police officer range rover. We went up to, I think it was Allentown.

It had to be Islandtown to a service station. And it was a police station. And it was a cop. There was a white range rover sitting in there. And we parked in the customer parking lot. I got in the driver's seat. He went over, got in the range rover, and he just casually drove off. And then when we got back to Southwest, I would take over. I would take the range rover now. And I would make him sit and just wait for me to come back.

So when I get in the range rover, I see like a, it was either a flashlight or one of them things that they hit you with. A batons. Yeah, so I knew it was a cop one. but that didn't matter. I went and sold the Range Rover, and then I just started selling more range rovers. And then one time after that, they wanted a specific car.

They wanted a Z, a Z, it was a Nissan, but it was the Z one. It was a two-door one. The convertible sports car. But it was a copse, and they wanted it bad, and we got it. Wait, so you stole a cop's car? Where was it?

We got it. I don't, they bought it to me. They took it and they bought it to me and I sold it. Oh, so you were becoming now the seller rather than the actual stealer. Yeah. At that point in time. Yeah, at that point in time. And it was probably less risk for you to just be the seller.

But in the end, I knew if I was still the seller that I was in deep, more deep shit than the takers. Well, I'm saying from a risk perspective. Yeah, oh, yeah, from a risk. But I had the risk of getting killed, so. Oh, because you're the. the one that actually has a stolen car on you? No, because I never knew who I was

dealing with in the shadows. Like, I knew that I had a buyer, but I never knew if somebody was... Because one time I was sitting in the car and they tried to take my car. They was about to come take my car. And they looked in there. They said, oh, no, that's Ace.

That's Ace. I was in a Chrysler 300. I was sitting with a girl. And two African young boys was about to try to take the car. And then they looked in there. And they said, oh, no, that's Ace. because they used to call me Ace.

Wait, so how does the cop get the car back? I don't think he got the car back. Oh, okay. So how do you know the cops? Because it had the police. Oh, just that. Okay. So you never got it back.

Yeah, we. So on a range rover, how much are you paying when you were the dealer? How much are you paying for that? And then how much are you selling it for? So the range rovers in the beginning, I was doing $2,500. To buy it from the car thief? Yeah, to buy it from the car thief. But I would make him give me five and then I would make them give me two.

So I would walk away with seven, he would walk away with 18. 1800. Yeah. Okay. That was like the beginning stages. But when I started getting 10 for them, I started letting them keep the whole 25. So the actual car thief himself barely makes any money. But you got to think that was in the beginning.

Yeah. We just started. So I wasn't making no money. All I was making was $700 in the beginning. But you think if $25,000. If you keep adding that up because they bring in cars, they bring in cars so much. If you add 2,500 up a day, or even if you bring in two a day, or it depends on what it was, it depends on what it was. Because sometimes I would be more generous.

I would give people $4,000 and stuff like that if I was on a day where I just made, because I had 20 people bringing me cars. I had literally like 20 buyers. Now, how often are you going out to do the thieving of the cars? That didn't come until 2010. So all from the end of 2006 until 2010, I had people. But I would go with them and I would be a tail car. I would just tell them in the car to make sure that we get the car back to where it got to go. And are you having them do the key situation too, scoping that out?

Yeah, they would go get the keys the day before. and then they'll call me and say, hey, I got the keys. And then they'll tell me what it is. And then I get on this phone and I'd be like, hey, I got this for you. And then I would get a driver because sometimes I had to go to D.C. Well, a lot of times I had to go to D.C. So I had to drive the car up to D.C. So I would get a driver and I had rules in place.

Don't be on your phone. Don't do this. Don't do that. So I would make everybody follow the rules so we wouldn't get caught. That's how we last so long because everybody followed the rules. Wow. That's incredible that you had. that long of a run with that many people working underneath you or working with you?

Because you would think one is bound to get caught and flip on the whole operation. I think even for the ones that, because people was getting locked up, but they would never flip, though, because they know that the money was so good. And they know that it wasn't no jail time because we wasn't hurt nobody. I made sure nobody would hurt nobody. If anybody, if I watched the news and it says that somebody got hurt doing one of these cars, I would shut it down. And then I would have people looking for me

to start making money again. So the rules that I put in place, everybody followed them. And it wasn't like I was trying to be like a boss or nothing, but I just wanted everybody to eat and I just wanted it to be smooth. The crime rate in the city was down too.

They don't talk about that. I had the crime rate in the city down. From that time that I was doing it until the time I stopped. You're literally a car thief kingpin. It was. But I don't know. They don't want to look at that.

I'm like, yeah. That is wild. And then as soon as I stopped, crime rate went back up because there wasn't no more rules in place. So do you hit the same car shop twice and ever? It's only one and done. No. The whole week, if we could. From the same shop?

From the same shop? They didn't know. How far out? Back then, I don't think it was as much sophisticated as now that you would know now that a car is missing. right now because all the cameras and all that you would know now but back then it wasn't really that many cameras i mean they had cameras but it wasn't that and then we would go for the big car lots so when you get that key that car could be stashed all the way in the middle they wouldn't know about that shit for weeks yeah and i bet you're like if a car salesman realizes the car's gone he probably thinks one of his associates sold that car already and then what they would do is and i know they would do it because i would do it too if I was smart. I mean, you know, because I'm smart enough, is a tax right off. So they get in their money. And insurance, they claim the, they probably want their... I mean, insurance. Yeah, I'm sorry, not tax right off. Insurance claim. It's insurance. You're going to get your money

back. So wasn't nobody, wasn't nobody mad until whoever it was flipped on me. That's when it came out that all the car lots was mad. I think the car lots was mad because they broke the operation down. Yeah, if you think about it, they want the car, they get the insurance money. Wow. Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. So why do you transition from, you know, being the middleman to now being the actual thief himself? Because my friend went to jail.

So when he went to jail, he went out, I was going to Florida one time. And I say, yo, we make it so much money. I say, yo, but it's like an adrenaline rush now. Because I was doing a shit for adrenaline and a rush, too. It's like an adrenaline rush for everybody now. Even if you get a car and you just park it, you just wanted to go do it, I think. Because I told my friend, I said, hey, I'm going to Florida for a week. Don't do nothing until I come back because he didn't have the connect.

I did. I say, don't do nothing until I come back. And he already had keys. So I guess he wanted to go move the cars for when I come back, I could sell him. So he goes up to the lot and he takes the car with his baby mom, him and his baby mom. and the cops up there and watch them and get them. Hey, honey, are you awake? I am now.

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He was a pro. Yeah, he was a pro. He had, this how I met him. This how I met him, he had this Audi 8-8. This before, this right when, when, when my operation started. So I was trying to recruit people. I would go around to each part of the city now.

Now I'm in the recruiting stage. I would go around each part of the city. I don't care if it was a gas station. I would pull up to the gas station. If it was a homeless person out there, I'd be like, hey, yo, you don't got to be homeless no more. Take this number, call me later. They'd take the number, they'll call me,

and they'll start working for me. And I would go to each part of the city that I lived in and I would pull up on the corner. And I would be like, yo, I got this operation. I got this thing going on. And if anybody want to get down, let me know. Y'all ain't got to sell drugs or do nothing no more, you know what I mean? And people start buying houses.

People start doing a lot. If you ain't had no money to go nowhere, you're calling me with a car. You're like, damn, all right, now I ain't got it. All right, we want to go out of town? All right, call, call Keem. He's going to sell us a car for us. So my friend, he had this Audi 8-8. He would not let this Audi-88 go.

I was trying to sell it for $5,000. But I was trying to pay him $800 for it. Which is crazy for an Audi R8. Yeah, Audi 8. Oh, Audi 8. Yeah. So this was 2007. So it was the new Audi 88.

So he would not sell that shit, man. Everything I could do, he wouldn't sell that shit. And then he came on my team and then we started working together. He quit his job and everything. And we started making money together. You know, there's an under. underlying theme here that, you know, you took care everyone. You didn't get greedy.

You paid everyone very well. And you looked for people to hire that didn't have money. Yeah. So that probably kept loyalty too. That went a long way. Yeah, because ain't nobody really backdoor me or nothing, except for the time I got robbed. I don't know who did that, but. How did you get robbed?

The car got robbed or the money? No, the money. My apartment got robbed. How much cash were you keeping on you at a time? I had a million dollars in there. From the cars. Yeah, from the cars. cars. So the first time I had

$600,000, right? So this was right when the recession came. Remember the recession 2007 or 8 or whatever it was? So the recession came and a boat had got caught up with cars on it. So they had shut the ports. I mean, they had

shut a couple of guys down that was doing it. So I thought that I was in that investigation. So I had seen it. Somebody had called me and I had went in the bar and I seen it on the news and I'm like, oh shit. So this one, it was still a couple pay phones out.

So I go outside to the pay phone. I'm like, hey, I just seen this on the news. And they're like, yeah, the operation is shut down for now. And I'm like, damn, they're like, I don't know who they know right now. So we shutting it down. So I had $600,000. So what I did was I took the $600,000 because everybody was trying to move their money out of America right now because of the recession and shit was slowing down.

So what I did was I called my, one of my plugs, and I was going to get into this construction business. So I just gave them all the money. And the only reason why I gave them all the money is because I had a lawsuit with the city of Philadelphia. And I just got the papers in the mail, and the shit said a million dollars. So I was like, all right, I'm going to be cool.

I'm going to just send this over here because I didn't want the cops to come and find the money and shit. So the paper says a million dollars And I'm about to go to court I got to go to federal court for this So I go to federal court After I send the money I goes to federal court And as I'm sitting in the chair

I can hear these people in the other room They say I swear to God My right hand of God They said we're not giving him All that money because he never paid taxes In his life So they didn't want to be to give me no money because I never paid taxes.

So they came out and offered me $10,000. So I called my Godfather. I'm like, I'm damn near about to cry because I just sent all the money. So I'm about to cry. I'm like, what should I do? Should I take it? And so they gave me a couple days to think about it. So when I went home, it was, all right, my cousin Bates, he had somebody out in New York.

Cool Breeze. He had his man out in New York. Cool Breeze. And so they had, um, they was working on a movie and they needed investors. And I'm thinking like, shit, I got the money. I'm going to invest the money. So he set it up. I forget what company it was, but they set it up.

They bring us out there. I bring the paperwork. Like I got a million dollars coming and all that. Man, I never got that million dollars. You know how much money they gave me? $18,000. I had to take it because I didn't have no more. I didn't have no more money here.

And, and this around the time when I, um, so. I got a call from a federal prison and he says my homie he says I don't know how they know you but they know he even said they know who you are or they know your name

but they don't have nothing on you it's just like talk like people just talking because what I did was I never really was getting out the cars I always were being a tented up car so it had to be somebody that knew me I told them who I was, but they never seen me. Even when I got set up, they never seen me.

Never. That's crazy. So you got robbed for $600,000 and a million, or that was just total? Yeah, but, no, no, $600,000 went to the construction company. I never seen that again. And the guy that did that is dead today, rest of peace to him. And then the million dollars, you call that stolen because that was the loss. No, I got robbed for that.

That was the second time. Yeah, that was the second time. That had to been 2011, around almost 2011. What happened there? They actually, like, physically robbed you? No, but it had to be somebody I know that was watching me because anybody else would have killed me and just went in the house. So what happened was I had went and got this safe from Walmart.

And I'm doing everything. Everything I did was out in the open because nobody believes shit. So I could pull up in the Lamborghini and wouldn't nobody believe is mine or nothing. So everything I did was out in the open, so wouldn't nobody be on my back? So I goes and get this big ass safe and I bring it in on the truck. I got a Dodge Ram truck, a white Dodge Ram truck at that. So it's riding down the street with a big ass safe on the back. So I had my girlfriend at the time, she had got me this apartment.

And I like nice things. So I wanted to get the biggest apartment they had there. So I guess the biggest apartment. and I get this fucking deck. Not thinking that the deck is right where the big-ass street at. So when I come out in the morning, everybody can see me if they ride and pass. It's in Ridley.

Everybody's seeing me if they ride past. So I go get the safe, and we're struggling to get the shit in the house and everything, so I don't know nobody's seen it. So one night I went out to this, somebody from up 60th Street was having this soul food. It was even Sunday or Wednesday. I think it was Wednesday.

Sofu Wednesday. I still got the picture where I'm looking dumb as shit too because I was mad. I knew something was happening. So I stay in there and something kept nodging me like, go home. Go home because I got like a good intuition. And I'm just looking around. It felt like a movie because everything in the bar was just getting quiet.

And it was like, go home, go home. Man, I goes home and my door open. But mind you, before I left to go to the party, I was in a picture taking, I was in the car taking pictures and stuff. because I had this watch and I'm in there. So the whole time I think they was watching me. And when I left, they went in there. So I had cameras in there, though, but I didn't have them to record.

They was just monitor ones and shit. It was like the dummy thing. So they goes in there. They take the safe. And I had two duffel bags, two duffel bags of money. And they took a TV. I'm like, y'all got a safe in the money. Why you take a TV?

But I had all these clothes. I had just bought my kids all these clothes because I went to New York, probably like two days before that, and I had all these clothes, and I was going to Vegas, and I was going to Miami. So I just bought all this stuff, and they didn't take that.

So I caused the cops. I caused the cops. It's like I called the cops for myself, because I'm just like, everything in my mind just went blank. I forgot everything that I was doing at that time. I thought I was a civilian. So the cops come,

and they like, how much was it? And I'm like a million dollars, but I'm telling them I'm a rapper the whole time. I'm like, I'm a rapper. I'm a rapper. man they weren't trying to hit it. So I go back down there. They call us down there the next day

because they got to take me and my girlfriend fingerprints. So this, I think this is what got me hot, but they still didn't know what I was doing. So I go in there this time, I'm like, no, it was $50,000. Because I knew they was on me at that. When they asked for the fingerprint, I'm like, why do you need our fingerprints

and it's my house? So, yeah. Bro, you rat it out yourself. On myself, man. And you gave them the fingerprints? Yeah. You know, it's so funny hearing this perspective from the car thief, because you hear drug dealers who call the cops when their drugs get stolen

or their money gets stolen. Yeah. So that's like your first instinct to do that. Because I think even though you in the game, for somebody to take something from you, you just like, oh, shit. You just, I mean, you go blank. You go blank. You just go blank.

You forget everything at that point. And I just seen, they had, whoever came in, they had a fireman X. They used the fireman X to get in the door, big-ass fireman X. Wow. So how much money would you say you made in total from this enterprise? In total? In total and lost, probably six. Six million?

Yeah. All cash. They would always bring hundreds. And you never made investments or anything. You just spent the money? This was back in the day. I didn't know about none of that. And it's crazy.

I wasn't really even, I wasn't really even, spending the money and if it was a and if it was an investment we always would get burnt for the investment like we would always get burnt everybody was getting burnt for the investment so i would send cars myself i would send i would put a couple cars in myself and we'd get burnt but you're not going to stop the game just because you got burnt you're going to keep on going what was the nicest car you ever stole uh rose royce i sold uh that you physically stole you stole that one no i ain't still that one You just sold it. Yeah, sold it.

Ferrari, a Lambo. They wanted a yacht, a two-foot yacht. Did you steal the yacht? I can't see. Yeah, damn it. That person knows who it is. They called me about it. What's the weirdest request you've ever gotten?

Have you gotten a weird request? An excavator. And that was for diamonds. I had my hands in everything Diamonds, gold, anything you can name I was in. If you wanted an airplane, I could broker a deal for an airplane.

You brokered one for an airplane? I could broker a deal for an airplane. I stole it airplane. Insurance, but, you know, you make it disappear. Yeah, I make it disappear. So would you have people that found out about you that own these things that want them gone for insurance?

That's why they would come from all around the world. Wow. And I would charge $1,000. Every time somebody came to America, I would charge them $1,000 to sit down and talk with me. We would sit down in a bar in Southwest Philly right on the edge of Derby. It's called The Happy End. Wow. And how do you make sure they're not wearing a wire, they're not an undercover, do you have precautions?

I honestly say I didn't care. I didn't care about nothing. You're just very chill. This is just like a good luck. Yeah, it was good luck. because even when they would bring people in, these people didn't know English. So they would have translators with them.

They would bring $1,000 just to talk to me, and then I would want $100,000 for the list. You give me the list and give me $100,000. But what I was doing was I was only using maybe $10,000 of the $100,000 in keeping it. So say like if it's young boys, out there that just needed money and they was taking cars, I would give them the $1,000.

But my bigger level car thieves, they were the ones that would get all the money. But if somebody would come up to me like, Kim, I got to do this, or my girlfriend on my ass, and the baby needs this or baby needs this. And they were like, yo, I got this car. Can you get rid of it for me? And I would do it that way. Was there other car thieves in the area that you were like stepping on their toes at all or no? You were the only one?

Nope. I was running. I was running the whole thing. What about the original guy that you stole that car with? Was he out of the game? He kept going to jail. He kept going to jail. But eventually, I think he plugged in with somebody,

but it didn't work out because they always came back to me. Because I wasn't greedy, I wasn't stingy, and I knew the game, and I had rules. Other people didn't have rules. They just, you know, do whatever. So they'd be like, so when the people come in and they talk to me, they'd be like, I don't want to talk to nobody but ace. I don't want to talk to nobody but ace. They wouldn't go to nobody else.

Yeah, I think that's probably one of the biggest things when you make rules for yourself and you don't follow them or people on the team don't follow them and you let them go. That's how a lot of these operations fail. Yep, but everybody followed the rules for the first seven years. Everybody followed the rules. Did you ever have a close call with you stealing a car?

No. It was always smooth every time. It was always smooth, yeah. Wow. What about a dog? I used to have my son with me sometimes. You brought your son to steal a car? Yep.

What would you do? He would come with you into the lot? No, he would sit with the connect. Do you feel bad about that now? Yeah, I do. But it wasn't like he was in harm's way because they used to call him their little brother and stuff. Like it was like, it was like family.

I used to go to their house and eat and stuff like that. It was like family. But I just was working for him. I just was, yeah, I just was working for him. If they had a problem, they'd come to me. there like ace this or that and yeah and now your mom your family they see you getting all this money I'm sure you're taking care of them what do they say no nobody didn't know she had no idea you're sitting on a million dollars nobody didn't know so what do they think because I act like I didn't have

nothing nobody didn't know but I always had a car when I came and then I started getting my sister to rent me cars but she still didn't know nobody knew that I had so much money that I had so much money that my cousin out there now, he'd tell you, they thought I was making it in the basement. They said he had a counterfeit. They said I was making counterfeit money in the basement. I had a lot of money. You're probably smart enough to do that. No, not the counterfeit.

You don't think so? No, but that black money shit was around, though. What's that black money? So the black money is a scam that they do. And what they do is they make you bring a million dollars. They need some money. The ones that I best were, they needed some money. So they bring you, so my homie, my homie poop, rest in peace and poop, rest in peace, ride.

I set him up with the black money thing, right? So they goes to the hotel. I tell him, I said, yo, they want a million dollars. He said, I'm not bringing no million dollars. So what he did was he bought $50,000. Him and his home and his home he came. I don't want to say his homie name, but him and his home he came. And we all went up to the airport.

They showed us what was going on in the hotel room, and then they took us out to eat over at the Ruby Tuesdays at the airport, Philadelphia Airport. So we come back and we see that it is more money in the aluminum foil and shit. So they like, all right, cool, cool. So my homie puk, he goes the next day without me. And they get in some shit. And they had to beat the dudes up. They threw the guy out the window, took his passport,

and did all this because they had this chemical and they was trying to knock them out. So they would get them in the bathroom and they would have a whole tub and shit and they would tell them that, all right, we got to put the money in here to wash it off and then they got to pit it in the aluminum for you

and sprinkle this stuff on. I seen it done. So I was shocked because they did it for me in the back of a car and then I called him like, yo, this shit is real. You got to come down here and see this.

So he did that and he took their passport. So they calls me the next day like, excuse me. They called me the next day like, hey, can you get our passports back? Your friends took our passport. They took our jewelry. They took everything. And I called him. I'm like, yo, what happened?

And he said, man, they was trying to rob her. They was trying to scam us. I'm like, all right, well, there's nothing I can do to help them on that one. So I don't even know if they ever got their passports back. Great things come in pairs. Dr. Matthew Nykel brings you breast by design. custom natural looking results from breast augmentation tailored just for you. This summer, love the way you look in a bikini.

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I've never heard of this before. This is wild. Yeah. Now, do you have, like, fake IDs or passports with you in case you get pulled over so no one knows or you never thought that far? I always used my real name. I don't know why, but I always used it because I thought they would just be like, all right, he uses his real name. And what's crazy was all the time I was doing this, I never got pulled over. It is incredible.

I was driving all through the, all through the, all through the, well, I got pulled over one time. I was on my way to Dorney Park. We was about to go to Dorney Park. and the cops pulls us over and I got a lot of money on me but I had a warrant I don't know if I was under investigation now or not but I had a warrant

and he said and the cop says he said you want us to take the car and take you to jail or take the money and take you to jail I was like take the car take the car because I was going to get into money because I knew I was going to get out of jail

so I went I went to jail and my lawyer came and got me out And what did you have the warrant for? The warrant was because I was on, oh, not to mention, I was on house arrest doing all this. Wait, you were on house arrest while you were doing this whole... I was on house arrest. For how long were you on house arrest for? 2006, 7, 8, 9, 10.

That was when you first got out for that first time. Yeah, I was on house arrest until 2010. For four years? Yeah. For what? The drugs? For the drugs? I just kept on.

on violating. Okay. And what kind of monitor is it? It wasn't GPS. It was just like... It was GPS. I was all the way at the Sosa Wars in Atlanta. No, no, no, the hip-hop wars in Atlanta. How did you get out? I just, I don't, I just left it on. I'm like, all right, I told my cousin, Bates. I'm like, yo, we're going to, we out there with Jermaine DePree artists. They're driving in my car and shit. So it's crazy because the day that I was going, I could have went to jail that day because I'm out renting the car, right? And my girlfriend, we get into a fight at the car rental place. And she holding on to the side of my car while I'm driving,

and she falls off and rolls up the street. And I keep going straight to Atlanta. I'm like, I just keep going straight to Atlanta. And I'm telling him, like, all right, we got to stay. I already can stay. This when Tiah got locked up. We was there when Tiah got locked up. So I'm like, all right, we're going to stay there for one day.

I got the bracelet on. I stayed there for one day. Went to the award. We stayed there for one day. Were you allowed to leave the house during the day? This is what I told him. I told him I was a rapper, right? God honest truth.

And I got, my friend had this, he had this record label. It was called Takeover. It was called Takeover Records. And I got them to write me up a little, not a proposal, but write me up something for my PO. So I took it to the PO. And the PO was letting me stay out until two in the morning, two or three in the morning. So I'm like, I would come out at six. six in the morning and I would have to be in at two or three in the morning.

So I just start taking advantage of that shit. I just never would go to the fuck in. Dude, you must be one of the luckiest guys I've ever met. I was out in parties and everything, man. I would haul ass hair and go do that. And then I'd be on the lot with the monitor on. The cop one time me and my girlfriend got into something and I had to leave the house. The cops packed me down and they didn't even fill the monitor.

So, all right. The whole time I'm driving and everything. How long after the fingerprinting, after your money got stolen, do you get taken down? So that happened when it was cool. It had to be less than a year later. So you think they were investigating you right off of the bat there? No, because they kept trying to pay people. Well, yeah, I guess they was because somebody that just flew into town, they came and they met me.

And they gave me $8,000. and they said, hey, they wanted somebody to tell on you for $10,000, right? So what I think they did was I had let somebody hold my car and I had took their car. What I think they did was I think they bugged my car because like two days later, because I kept the car for like two days, they pulled me over and they took the car. And then they came to the house. And I was like, and he was like, you know what we heard? here for? I was like, yeah, y'all took my car.

He was like, no, it's bigger than that. He was like, you want to come down and talk? I'm like, no. He gave me the car, and they left. And who was it? FBI, local police? State police. State detectives, I'm guessing? Yeah, state detectives, yeah. Because this would, don't nobody,

this where everybody felt to realize, I was doing it for seven years, but they only they only had me on the investigation for like six months. So they didn't get me for the, you know, you know, for the beginning. They didn't know how big it was.

Yeah, they didn't know how big it was. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So when they got me, they came, I was riding home one night. This is how I knew it was over. I was riding home one night. But before that, I'm going to tell you about I was in Sheltonham Mall,

because this all leads up to it. I goes to Sheltonham Mall. Cheedy said, don't go to the mall, Kimi. Don't go to the mall. It's the mall. Everybody's in this one. So he said, they set people up here. I said, man, no they don't.

So I got like $35,000 because I was collecting money all day. I got cargoes on. I got the shit everywhere. So I get a call for a Q7, an Audi, right? So I go up to the mall and me and my friend, we arguing in the mall, but the cops got it all on camera. They recording us. They know we coming because we got set up.

So when, When we walking back and forth in a lot, it's two separate buses going on at night. It's a drug bus and it's our bus. Well, I don't even know if they wanted to bust us. They wanted to get our addresses and our names and stuff because I had all the money on me. So as we arguing going back and forth on a lot and shit,

and I'm putting more money in my pocket, and I'm about to give him his cut, man, it was like, I don't know, yo. It had to be like 50 cops because they didn't know what was going. They started arguing and everything because this section of cops messed up, this section of cops bus because there was a drug bus going on.

So ain't nobody know what to do. So I'm in the lot and I'm running around. I'm running and all the cars is just going around. And so I just was like, all right, fuck it. I opened my, matter of fact, I opened my homie door and I tried to jump in the back of his car because he was pulling off and I couldn't get in. And they got me and they came in and they closed him.

And they just patted us down and asked for the ID. But they had a plane because they was trying to see where this car was going. So they didn't use a helicopter. They was going to use a plane to follow this car to New York because somehow they knew it was going to New York. So they was going to follow it to see where the load in place was at. So I got to keep all the money. I got to keep all the money. And I got my friend car.

And I went home after they got our IDs and stuff. And I cut Cheaty. I gave him some money. And then I was like, fuck. But I knew they was coming at. after that, though. I knew they was coming. So when did they, what happens when they come?

All right, so they start, they start following me around my neighborhood. So I would follow them back. I would go to the police station. They had, um, they had, um, a grand pricks, a tinted up blue grand pricks. I know they remember that one. And they used to use pickup trucks. So what they would do is they would come down my little block. And even sometimes the head cop, he would use his personal car.

and I knew what his personal car was. I ain't going to say what his personal car was. But I used to see him come down the block because it was tenant. So they would come down the block and their Grand Prix or whatever it was would come down the block

and the pickup truck would come down the block. So I knew what cars it was. So the next day I would just go to the lot and I would be in something else. They followed me down 30th Street one time I was going to rent a car. This is how they knew where I was at all the time.

So what I did was, excuse me, I let them, I play, like cat and mouse with them. I let them chase me around Southwest Philly. And I would be running though. I wouldn't be in the car.

I would be running from block to block. And I would just be looking and I see them ride by and then they ride back by so I knew it was over. And then they was trying to get somebody else to set me up because they still really didn't. They never really had nothing on me. They didn't have nothing.

They just gave me 57 cars. They didn't know that them 57 cars was mine. They just like, hunt, take them. And I never read the paperwork. So I really don't know what I was charged for. I just know I got locked up, so I didn't care. So anyway, they would chase me around the neighborhood, and then I was going home one night, and the state troopers pulled me over.

And when they pulled me over, I was like, yeah, I'm done. They lift up the trunk, they lift up the hood, and they told me to have a nice day. I went home, went to sleep, and they was all at the house in the morning. Oh, man. They had the key. They opened my door with the key. They knocked on the door and then they came in there. They opened the door with the key. And this is all state police, not feds. Yeah, this was all state police. Wow. This was all the state police. The feds, the feds at Homeland Security, they was, they was in on it, but it was like they were silent for some reason. They probably didn't realize the full extent of this business. Right. But in the end, I told them who I was and, you know, because I was trying to get other people off. So I'm telling them like, this is me. I've been,

I've been him for a long time. And if anybody else's done, they didn't have nothing to do with it. I just used to be always like, they ain't had nothing to do with it. I don't care. They ain't had nothing to do with it. It was all my brains. It was all my scheme. It was all.

Everything was me. You know, if they were more patient, that's the problem with the state investigations. They kind of rush into it. The feds will wait. They'll wait for years. But I think, yeah, they would. But I think they just got so, yeah, like you said, so impatient because they couldn't catch me. Yeah.

If they had waited, they could have built up a huge thing federally for this. brought down a lot of key players. Yeah. So how much time do you get? Do you get a plea deal to go to trial? What happens? I plead. I played guilty.

I just was like, I'm guilty. I'm guilty. I got four years per probation. I did maybe 31 days in jail. It didn't carry nothing. I didn't hurt nobody. I didn't do nothing. That's what people don't understand.

It was only five months of shit. I didn't get no carjackings, no robberies or nothing. It was just receiving stolen property. Because that's all they caught you were. Yeah, that's all they caught. caught me what was receiving stolen the property. What about restitution? I ain't, I ain't get on that.

Dude, do you go to the casino? Do you play scratch-offs? No, man. I'm just a bad motherfucker. You're lucky as shit, man. No, you got to be smart, man. I think people mess up when they hurt people. Once you start hurting people, they want to throw you under the jail.

And I never hurt nobody. I never, you know, I never hurt nobody. I just, I mean, I probably emotionally hurt people, but I never heard nobody. How do you think the, like, the cops feel about you doing these interviews? I know they can't do anything about it now, but they must be like, damn. No, the FBI told me, he said, he said, what he said was, I said, do you know who I am? He laughed and said, he said something like, we been knew who you was. Right? And I said, I made millions of dollars. He said, I know. And then he said, I'm going to write a book. He said, yeah, I think you can. But after all this is over. And then the state trooper, he was like, because I think somebody wanted to interview me before. But I made sure I waited until I was off parole and all that.

And you were dealing in cash. There really wasn't too much evidence, nothing. Yeah, it was all cash, all hundreds. Every time. All hundred. Well, sometimes it was 20s. But I didn't know how to count when I first started. it. I didn't know how to count. So it was always all these 20s. And then my friend, he, um, he was like, yo, you got to do it this way. Do, dude, dude, do the, um, 2520s. Do the 2520s, 2520s. So what's your mindset now? Do you ever have like an itch to get into some type of crime ring or anything? No, I don't, I mean, I see it on a TV and stuff like that. I think anybody that ever been in this always going to have an itch. As long as you don't scratch that itch, you cool. But if you scratch that, motherfucker?

And I was really sophisticated with it, man. I was, there's a lot more to this shit that that's really, I was sophisticated. It was sophisticated, man. It was,

but they got to pay me some money to really hear the rest of the story. It's, it's way deeper than what people think. So what do you do now? I feel like you can't work a normal job. So what I do now is I'm trying to start a consultant company, right? To how to steal cars? No, no.

It's to how to run a business. Like I ran my business so smooth. So I was working at this, I don't know if I should say the corporation name, but I was working at this corporation. So what I wanted to do is I wanted to go in there and see if I can change the corporation around. And I actually went in there and I did that. I made the shit work better. So that's what I kind of wanted to do.

do. I want to go into businesses and give them the mindset of how to make things run smooth because I can make things, I think I can, well, I know I can make things run smooth. So I just want to consult for companies because I did, in this company I was there for six months. I got three promotions. I used to write memos for the managers, for the bosses, and they used to listen to my memos. And they used to change things around. And then I met this, I was in St. Louis. And I was in St. Louis. And I met this guy named Mike. So anybody that was on my team, I would train them because I know I'm not going to be there long. So Mike, he was from the street.

He's from St. Louis. He was from the street. And when he first came to the job, he didn't know what he was doing. So I trained him because I know I wasn't going to be there long. So I trained him to take over when I leave. So that's what I want to do. I want to do like a consulting company. When we get off in here, I'm going to show you my awards.

because I really changed a major, a major company way of doing business. And it ran so smooth from the time that I was there. And I made everybody come together as a team. I didn't want to be a boss. I wanted to be a leader. And I wanted to show everybody else how to be a leader. Even in that game that I was in, if I could show people how to be a leader, then I don't think nobody would ever go to jail.

I wouldn't have never went to jail. I would never got caught. You know what I could see you doing? is like, you know, there's movies on this of, like, the guys, like, you know, Sylvester Stallone's guy who breaks in the prisons, like the escape plan. I could see you doing that for, like, companies. Companies of where their weak points are for theft,

because I'm sure you could come up with that, and that kind of, like, gives you that edge. I did that, too. I did that too for the company, so I'm getting a little deep now, but, yeah, I had, yeah, it was. Another thing I could see you doing is, like, those magic mind classes where you actually record, like everything you want to do this consulting thing, you sit down, record it professionally, sell it like an e-book but like with video.

Right. This is a huge thing. And because you're so viral and you have a good social media following and people are familiar with your story, you could sit there and sell this as like a masterclass of what to do for your business. I feel like that's a no-brainer to get that off the ground. You sell it for, you know, $4, $6.99, like $100. Right.

And people will buy that on how to create these things. Yeah, I want to, it's crazy because one day I'm, I'm going to get, I'm going to get the guy to the mic to get an interview to show how I came in there. And I changed. It was a, it was, it wasn't a little warehouse job or nothing like that. It was an actual something big that I changed. I changed the whole way of they thinking and everything. I used to write memos every morning. And I was just an underlink.

I was getting paid $12.50. But I became the assistant to the boss. That's how good I was doing the job. That's so cool. Is it hard for you to work for someone else, though? Like mentally? No, no. Because like you said, I'm going there and I'm going to find the weak points.

And then it'd be like after that I'd be feeling like my job is done. It's like an undercover worker or something. I'm just coming in there to figure out what y'all need to do to make the job better, make your customers better, because that's how I was. Even though I was doing something illegal, my customers love me. Everybody love me. You're likable, man. Yeah, everybody loves me because I don't go behind nobody back or nothing.

I make sure everybody is cool. And I saved a lot of people from going to jail, a lot of people. People relate to you, like you're compassionate, like people, they like you. And you know what? I compare it to is, you know, the Somali pirate that, like, was technically a bad person when he, with the Captain Phillips, about he was compassionate. Right. And people liked him throughout that because he didn't really want to hurt anyone.

He was just, like, caught up in that. And in prison, you see him, like, people take pictures with him in the feds when he, I don't know if he's still in prison or not. But he just has that likeability. And you could be a really bad person, like, doing a bad crime. but you still like there's that compassionate aspect of it. And that's crazy that you say that because when I was selling my story, I was telling, I was telling the writers that I think you should write it like that.

I'm a villain, but it's passionate at the end of the thing. Because that's what kept you going for so long. Yeah. Because it's a scumbags that get caught really quickly. Man, they cut off, they cut off one of my friends gas or water one time, right? And the water or the gas man was out there. I can't remember which one. I went over to the truck.

I said, yo, how much is it to never come back around here again? And he said, just put the money in the truck. And he said, he can't physically take the money. Just throw it in the truck. And I threw him a lot of money in the truck. And he never came back around here and cut nobody's stuff off. Wow. That's incredible, man.

Kindness goes a long way, even in the criminal world. Yeah. And you got to have people. people that have your back because these people out here would kill you. I had somebody standing on my step. And like you say, I'm so compassionate. One time I was walking home and two guys were standing on my step with M-16s. And I'm walking, but I got my head down the whole time.

And when I picked my head up, he's standing right there. And then I just looked at him and I just kept walking. I'm like, man, there ain't nothing I could do. This shit going to chop through every car out here. And then the other guy looked at the guy. guy that was closer to me, and he was like, let him go. And I walked right past them and went right in my house. Another time, somebody was about to get me.

And before he could get me, I walked right over and shook his hand. Before he could pull a gun out, I walked right over and shook his hand. And then you know what happened? In 2006, that same person seen me in jail. And you know what they did? Kim, you need to use the phone? You need to use the phone? It gave me the phone.

It's like I could change people's mind from thinking that I'm a bad person because I'm not a bad person. So when you think you want to do something to me and then you really get to know me, you wouldn't know. I don't back by, I don't even talk about nobody. I don't bring nothing negative to the massive. I try not to do that. I don't go on nobody's comments and hate on them.

I don't do none of that. If I got some way that you can get on or plugged in, I would do it. It's a good way to live. Yeah. Now, speaking about plugins, I know you wanted to shout out your friend's tow truck company. Yeah. Big boys over there in Philly and Rell Dow over there in Philly. If y'all ever need a toe, get with one of them.

No stolen cars. No stolen cars, die. Well, Skinny Keem. They got the best ones in North Philly. Thank you so much, man, for making the trip out today to sit with me. Dude, you're great, man. You know, good energy and a great story. I hope it gets to the level that you want it to be at and, you know, keep doing your thing.

I wish you all the success. Thanks. And let them know, man. If y'all pay me some money, I tell you all the rest. I tell you all the rest. It gets deeper. I'm sure you're going to go have Vlad pay you, right? Doesn't he do, he pays people for interviews?

Yeah, but I don't be worried about it. When people reach out, they reach out. I don't try to hang nobody for it. I think if you make your own channel, it would blow up sharing those key secrets, too. Yeah. Something to think about. Like a consultant channel type thing. Well, just your story and your own, break it down into parts.

Right. Because you have that likeability. I'd be trying to do that with the YouTube. Think about it, man. Man, I get like, 800 views. I'm like, I don't want to do this shit, no, but. It takes time. You got to grow.

But if you sit down and you do it professionally and come up with a plan, man, personality is everything for YouTube, you know? Right. Instead of giving other people interviews, do break your story into parts and do it. Come up with something catchy, flashy, and run with it. Right. And then you give them the job. gems.

Yeah. Awesome, man. Well, you know, safe travels back and keep a touch. All right. Thanks, man.