Locked In with Ian Bick - RICO Charges as a Teenager: My 10-Year Sentence in Federal Prison | Porschetruckruk

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

PorscheTruckRuk shares his story of being charged with RICO as a teenager and sentenced to 10 years in federal prison. In this interview, he talks about the events that led to his arrest, the challenges of navigating the federal justice system at a young age, and what life was like behind bars. PorscheTruckRuk also reflects on the lessons he learned during his time in prison and how it shaped his future after release. #RICOCharges #TeenIncarceration #FederalPrisonStory #PrisonSurvival #JusticeSystem #TrueCrimeJourney #LifeBehindBars #RICOActInsights Connect with Porschetruckruk: IG: https://www.instagram.com/porschetruckruk/?hl=en Listen to his music: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/porsche-truck-ruk/1723561808 Thank you to LUCY for sponsoring this episode: Go to http://lucy.co/ianbick and use promo code IANBICK to get 20% off your first order. Lucy has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.  Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://www.ianbick.com/shop Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction with Porsche Truck Rock 00:04:11 Growing Up in Upstate New York 00:08:56 Lessons from My Father 00:13:24 Smuggling from New York to Vermont 00:18:23 Teenage Earnings: Making $50,000 a Month 00:22:58 The Day They Came for Me: A Personal Account of Arrest 00:27:20 Arrest and Court Proceedings 00:31:36 Navigating Prison Sentences and RICO Charges 00:35:50 First Time Experiences in Prison 00:40:35 Smuggling Phones and Battery Packs in Prison 00:44:36 Benefits of Being Closer to Home at Fort Dicks 00:49:04 Transition to Danbury and Prison Challenges 00:54:02 The Missing Water Jug Incident 00:59:02 Life After Prison: A New Beginning 01:02:21 Return to Fighting: Transition from Prison to the Ring 01:07:15 Live Freestyle Performance Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Definitely, definitely, definitely what's going on, big dog. We were just hitting it off out there talking about the Danbury stories, which I'm looking forward to getting to later in this episode. Yeah, facts, definitely. And thank you to Chickie, Chickadelli, for connecting us. Definitely. Shout out to Chick, shout out to Tommy. You got home recently?

You got out of the Fed recently? I did. I got home I got home recently because I just came home off the violation that I had but before that I came home in 2018

off a 10-year bid um yeah 10 years I got charged with the RICO I was the head of my indictment and um I've been

been to a bunch of spots throughout the federal penitative throughout the federal BOP how long was a violation for the violation was for 10 months I saw the dude that told on me in the casino I forgot what it was

some event the casino I saw a dude that told on me you know beat them up my guys jumped them and you know it was in the casino so it was on camera and got back to my probation officer when I got

they told me And so, like, probably like four or five days later they was like, I got a call from probation you need a report. I already knew what it was about

when I got there. They were like, is there anything you want to tell us? I was like, no. I mean, you got shit to tell you? And they were like, you sure? And I'm like, yo, listen, man, you guys know what happened.

There ain't nothing for me to tell y'all. Whatever you saw on the camera, that's what happened. I'm like, what's going on? And then they were like, well, we called you in, because we heard that you're riding around with a gun. So we need the keys to your car,

and we're going to go through your car. And if you ain't got no gun, then you're good. I ain't riding around with no guns, so I wasn't worried about it. I gave him the keys. They went through my own car. They didn't find no gun. They found two cell phones.

When they found two cell phones, they wanted me to open them. wasn't opening them and that's how I called my violation Oh for like disobeying a direct order or something? They really wanted to put me in jail for being up the rat But they really couldn't because

The way the altercation arose was like He was playing with me and I fight at the casino I'm my MMA fighter so the casino knows me They fuck with me. They like Now I mean we make money together so They saw the situation and told him to leave. When they told him to leave, he somehow snuck back in

and seen him and we just beat him up. And they sent you back for 10 months and the feds for that? Crazy. What was it just like a detention center? They sent you back? No, they sent me to Berlin. Oh, you actually landed at a spot. Yeah, I went to their spot.

They had me in the fucking county. Then they had me in Berlin, man. That shit was crazy. So now, literally, I've been home for like a year Off the violation, I've been home for like a year and three, four months. And you're still on probation, supervised release? All done. Oh, so the judge at least wrapped it all up in there.

At least that's a benefit. Yeah, yeah, definitely, definitely. I would do 10 months instead of three-year supervised release. Yeah, but it didn't really make no sense because all I had was a year left. So after I did the 10 months, I had to come home and do a year on probation and they let me go. It sucks, like once you get your life back in order and then the violation, they jam you back up. That's bullshit.

That shit hurt. I just opened up my juice bar too. I opened up my juice bar July. That happened two weeks after I opened up my juice bar. She went right back to jail. Well, you know, my sister held my juice bar down. Shout to my sister.

So did you grow up in New York? Yeah. Where in New York? Upstate. Upstate? Yeah. So away from like city life and all of that? Yeah, definitely.

Well, not. My city's a city. It ain't no, we ain't got no cows or nothing, that shit in there. So, I mean, it's definitely a city. Well, when you hear upstate people think, like, cows and country and stuff. Yeah, they definitely do. They definitely do. But not where I'm from.

Ain't no cows. Ain't no farms. Ain't none of that. So what was that like growing up? No, typical regular. Typical regular. I grew up, I grew up with my mom, my dad, my brothers, my sister. my grandmother.

It really wasn't. I didn't have one of them fucked up childhoods, but as far as, like, yeah, I had a good, I had an all-right childhood. I ain't going to say it was good. My dad died when I was 14. That's when my life went ape shit. My shit went haywire from everything I was doing.

How would you describe yourself as a kid growing up? Would you say you were a good kid or were you getting into trouble before your dad? passing. I was a kid with a lot of energy. I was a bad kid. Some people might say I was a badass. Some people might say I was good.

It all depends on who's talking about me at that time. It all depends, man. But overall, I wasn't like no... I wasn't one of the kids that would, like, throw rocks at houses and shit like that. More of my trouble as a kid came from, like, fighting. I always, I fought my whole life. So that's really, as far as all the trouble came, my trouble came from as a kid. I would be grounded and shit like that for fighting at school,

fighting at the daycare, like, shit like that. Where do you think that anger and wanting to fight came from? Um, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't really know. I, um, I would think it, because my dad used to discipline me, I used to get whipped. Like, I, might be, I'd be mad after I get my ass whoops. So like, maybe it comes from that, like, getting whooped and it's your dad, you can't do nothing about it. Like, you know, so getting beat and having to deal with it and not be able to like, like, I'm the type of person. Like, I want to get my get back.

Like, I just don't want you doing something to me and then getting away with it. So it's like maybe, maybe that was making my anger. But as far as, like, after. being 14, like my dad leaving my life, that was this stuff. That was the destruction of how my whole life changed. Like him dying was like, that's when I became, that's when I was like heavy in the streets, heavy just doing a whole bunch of stupid shit.

Do you think that was because the discipline figure was kind of gone? Yes, definitely. Definitely. Because if he wasn't, if he wasn't alive, if he was alive, I wouldn't. I wouldn't went to the streets. I would have did something else. So when you made that transition to the streets,

are you still in school? Are you going to school? Um, I was going to school for a little second after he died, but shortly after he died, I stopped going to school. I stopped going to school, started selling drugs and busing guns.

Just in your neighborhood, or were you associating with anyone? Yeah, just within my neighborhood. and all that. I would say I sold drugs. I sold drugs in my neighborhood and all that, but I stopped selling drugs in my neighborhood and went to Vermont. That's where my case, part of my fake case was from

because I was interstate trafficking and bringing drugs from New York to Vermont. So I stopped selling drugs where I was probably like 16, 17. What kind of drugs? Coke, heroin, weed. Crack. Did you ever use them or were you just a hustler? No, never.

I was just a hustler. I never did a drug in my life. I never smoked weed. I never did nothing ever. Why do you think that was? Because some people can't, you know, refrain and they end up doing it. I think because my dad always told me not to do drugs. My dad always like, I try to live my life the way when my dad died.

Like I try to live my life from everything he taught me as a kid and growing up. Like he used to always tell me don't smoke weed, don't do drugs. Drugs is for stupid people. Like, he used to tell me that shit. So I think that's the reason why. And, you know, when you're growing up, you get peer pressure. Your friends smoke and all that. They all done try to get me to smoke weed at least a million times.

They got to the point where they didn't even try. They know Rock ain't going to smoke. He ain't going to do nothing. But definitely my dad, definitely. Was your dad in the life at all? Yeah. Yeah, my dad was a street legend too. He was on he caught a fed case in 99 and um all my uncles were in the streets too

my uncles my pops they were all selling drugs so do you think that was the life your dad wanted for you or did he want something different no he definitely wanted something different for me definitely but he wasn't here to he wasn't here to guide me no more so I had to find my own direction. I had to take my own. I had to take, I had to find a way, y'all. I had to make a way. And that was the only way I so fit. Have you tried Lucy breakers yet? These nicotine pouches are a game changer. Each one has a little capsule inside that you can pop to release a burst of flavor and hydration.

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Warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Don't wait, check out Lucy today. Can't wait to share it with some of the guests we have coming on locked in. Now let's get back into today's episode. Do you feel like you were kind of stepping into his shoes and his path when you got into the street life? The thing is, when my dad died, I never really knew, he kept that far from us. Like, I never really knew my dad was in the streets.

I didn't know he was, I didn't know he was who he was until later, until I got old, until I came in the streets. And I was getting love from all the OGs where I'm from and because of who he was. So I'm not going to say I stepped in his shoes Because I just didn't know that's what he was doing But when it's all setting done I did take his place as far as Taking care of the family Making sure everybody, my brothers and my sisters

Making sure everybody good and all that So was it kind of like a little empire you were building? What I say empire? See, when you give it a name it's like it wasn't like that it was just you know I'm from Hamilton Hill

it's connected in New York and we're a neighborhood we're not like we're not a gang but they try to make it seem like we're a gang like there was all this order and there wasn't

we were just a group of Ducene we were just a group of kids from a certain area and we named ourselves age block and that made us a gang, but there was no, like, there was no like, you're a sergeant, you're the lieutenant, you're the boss, like there was none of that. We was all doing our own thing. We all represented

the same thing, but we all did our own thing, I mean. So why interstate, you know, moving product, why couldn't you just keep it in New York? Because I was making way more money. I was making way more money in Vermont. I was making $6,000 off an ounce of crack. Wow. And how would you get it over to Vermont? I would bring it. I would, you know, I would, I would, I would put the crack in the speakers. I would put the, um, Coke or the dope inside peanut butter jars,

put it at the bottom, put it on the top. Like, you know, like the middle. I would do whatever I thought at the time. Not even whatever I thought, whatever it was convenient at the time. I mean,

what was the risk level going from New York to Vermont with drugs in the car? As long as you were speed, not speeding and all that. you know, and I had tents on all my car, so that was a stupid thing I was doing as young. Like, I'm driving all the way to another state with work. And, I mean, when I think about now, I was like dumb because they pulled me over for my tents. So it was just like, dumb shit, young kid, dumb shit, dumb shit. Did you ever have a regular job at all back then?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. I worked for the YMCA, the downtown YMCA. I worked for a pizza spot. I worked for Schenectady, Muni, golf course. One thing about me, it wasn't just, I wasn't, I was just a hustler. I was, I'm going to make money at any way I can. I was never, I wasn't just like a drug dealer. Like, any way, any way I could make money or find a way I would use it.

Did your mom know you had stepped into the drug business? Yeah, when I started buying cars and shit, she knew, like, I ain't working. She knew I wasn't working when I, you know. No, I bought, I think I had a Chrysler 300. I had a BMW. I had a Benz. I think it's when I bought my bends, you know. Like I was doing something.

Now, isn't that kind of like the Cardinal rule, don't be flashy? Like, that's how you could get taken down? Yeah, no, it definitely is. But at that, at that time, that's all I wanted to do. All I wanted to do was, all I wanted to do is get money. And I say, I say, like, expensive things because my dad took care of us. Like, I was, you know, when you're a kid having a PlayStation, the Sega Dreamcast, or the latest wrestlers or the wrestling ring, the Titan trying, like,

I had all that stuff growing up. Like, shit. So I was really just trying to maintain what I'm already used to. So, like, he dies when I'm 14. So I'm trying to, at 14, now we're talking about we're in high school, we're clothes, going to certain events, you need money. So it was like, I was just trying to maintain the same lifestyle that I was already used to. You didn't want to lose it.

Yeah, I didn't want to lose. I didn't want to be like, yo, he had it and now he don't got it no more. Did you envision yourself being a drug dealer forever? Or did you have like a career path or? Kind of like your dreams and goals at the time. No, not at the time. It was just fully streets. I didn't really, I was just making money.

I didn't have no end game. I didn't have no what I was going to do. It was just fully in the streets. Yeah, fully in the streets. I didn't have no endgame. Did you ever think you would, you know, find yourself in prison? Of course. I always, I always knew I was going to jail.

I wasn't stupid. The shit we were doing, we wasn't going to get away with it. But it was, you know, when that time comes, it comes. But I definitely always knew I was going to jail. That's why I didn't have kids. I didn't have kids because I knew the life I was living. It was either I was going to die or go to jail. So I ain't want nobody raising my kids, so I ain't have kids.

You got to respect that because there's so many people that end up in prison that don't have that same mindset. Facts. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, not facts. And you stuck to that and never had kids. Do you have kids now? No, not right now.

Wow. And that's because I'm chasing my dreams and all that. They really don't got time. And it's not even not got time. I meet the right girl, you know what I mean? And everything works out. Then I'm more for it. I want kids.

I want that lifestyle. But it has to be the right woman. It has to be a right woman. How much would you say you were making at that age in your teenage years? It's really hard to say because I would say, I say I was doing like $50,000 a month. That's great money, all cash. That's profit.

Yeah, profit. Profit. I was definitely, I was doing like $50,000 a month. And you were just spending it however you could. However I could. Clubs, jewelry, cars. I was in the cars. I was a car person.

I was always, I didn't have a car longer than eight months. Almost every eight months I probably bought a new car. And you didn't want to save for a rainy day. at all knowing that you would eventually end up in prison? No, I never saved for a rainy day. I didn't, but as right before I started getting locked up, my uncle came up with an idea that I should give him $400 every week just to start saving my money.

And I did it because $400 wasn't shit at the time. It was just, all right, whatever. But, no, I wasn't. I was making it and spending it. I wasn't stacking no money at that time. I'm sure it came in handy that $400 when you were in prison. Yeah, when I went to prison, it definitely did.

It definitely did. So how long was your run for? My run was for, from 2000, I want to say four years. I would say from, no, I'm going to say three. From 2008 to 2011. And how old were you when the run came to a close? I was 18. Wow, so it didn't last long at all.

No, no, didn't last long. I don't fuck, no. What do you think were your top mistakes you made that led to, you know, ending it early? My top mistakes. Talking on my phone, that's the number one mistake. In my head, I was getting money and all that. But I didn't think I was getting that much money where the feds would come after me. I didn't think, I knew we were going to jail.

I didn't know it was going to be a fat case. I didn't think I was like, when you hear feds, when you're in, kid and all that you hear about like hundreds of bricks and all that type of shit so I'm not I'm not thinking that this is what's going to happen I'm not nowhere in there thinking so I'll talk on a phone say stupid shit and unbeknownst to me my phones tap I mean they're hearing every fucking thing I'm talking about everything is your phone tapped because of you or because they're they had a bigger fish that you got mixed up in no no no my phone got tapped because my connect

my connect connect connect toad on him so when my connect connect connect told on him

his phone got tapped and then after his phone got tapped my phone got tapped and after my phone got tapped that's how I caught the RICO because now they got my phone tap and they hear all my co-dies oh my guys from my hood,

they hear what they're doing through my phone. So they're hearing everybody that I got a conversation with or I'm doing something with, they know I'm doing it. So that's how that comes out. But then there was like a side thing that was going on that they just wrapped certain dudes of that. There was dudes in my case that should never even call the Fed case,

wasn't even doing that. When you got the court documents, did you find out how long that they had the taps on you for? Yeah, they did. And this is the crazy shit about it. You can't go to jail in the feds until you're 18. So they waited until I was 18. They were watching me when I was 15 years old.

So it's kind of crazy when I really think about it. When I really, really think about it. They were watching me at a very young age. And they couldn't do nothing to me. The only thing they could nine times out of ten do if at 15 you can send them to family court but they had a bigger grand scheme they seen what I was doing so they let me keep

making all these mistakes, keep breaking all these laws and then when it's time to get me hit me with every law that I broke for the past three, four years. Yeah, the feds bide their time and they don't crack on you until they're ready to get you. Until they're ready to get you. They'll keep you on a leash to do your thing. Terrible. Wow. So

what? What? What's the day like when they actually come and grab you? When they come and grab me. And did you know what was coming? Yeah, I knew they were coming. And this is how I knew they were coming. My connect, my connect couple of my coldies, we're outside and a black suburban drives by.

And one of my men's is like, yo, do you see that shit? I'm like, and we all see it. We're like, yeah, like, what the fuck? and then the next day this is how I knew they was on me. I'm driving in my hood and the same suburban

is following me. It's like behind me. I pull over because I got beef at this time too so I don't know who it is behind me. So I pull over and when I pull over they keep going but you could tell

You could tell through the tents. They were dark, but as they're driving by and I'm looking, I can see, like, glasses, ball head, do glasses and ballhead. I'm like I said, in my hood, I'm thinking that was one of my ops or something at the time. I'm thinking, like, okay, black truck behind me, what's up, it's about to go down right now, whatever.

And come to find out, the same cop that was in that car is the same guy that got me. When they came to get us all, I was on my way to, I was on my way to Miami. Jada Kiss had a Memorial Day party, and I was going to that boat party Memorial Day weekend in Miami. They caught me at Terminal 7, and this is how even more crazy how they caught me, right? They would have never caught me when in 2011, the iPhone, I don't know what iPhone it was, but I had it. And the whole time I'm on, while I'm in the car going to, going to the JFK, I'm on the phone with my girl. When I'm on the phone with my girl, this is, and I'm on the phone with my girl and driving all the way there.

When we talk and whatever, State Trooper pulls us over. They're like regular speeding or whatever. But they're taking forever to like, to give us our ticket so we can go. They're taking like dumb long. We were sitting in the car for like 30 minutes. Then out of nowhere, an Acura pulls up, black Acura. The same dude with the ball head that I seen,

yes, the day before was coming to give me. They opened my door, and they were like, yo, you're Ricardo Henderson? And I was like, yeah, he snatched me out the car, put me on the floor, put his guns behind me. It was like, it's Ricardo Henderson. I just crawled a head and said, I fucking got him. I fucking got him.

And I'm like, the fuck, I'm like, the way they're acting is like, like, like I body something. Like I killed son. I'm like, the fuck is going on. Like, you got me, got me for what? Like, the fuck. And then when he, he picks me, after he cuffs me, he puts me in cuffs, picks me up, he shows me his badge. And he goes, you see what this badge says? I'm like, no, I don't get it.

And he goes, this is federal. You're in deep shit. I was like, whatever. I'm like, all right, whatever. He was like, oh, you're going to learn. Don't worry. You're going to find that real soon. Whatever.

Drizes drive me all the way back to Albany. And when I get there, none but my colleagues in the building. And they told me they would have never, I would have made it to J. I would have made it in Miami if I wasn't on the phone with my girlfriend. how they knew where I was exactly what I was on the phone with my girlfriend.

So if I didn't call my girl, I would have made it to Miami. But then, and then if you made it to Miami, would you flee the country if you found out everyone was jammed up? I wouldn't even went back home. Yeah, they could have got you in Miami. I don't know what I would have did, but I would have definitely wasn't going back home. I would have had to think about it. I would have to try to figure out what the fuck is going on.

Okay. So they bust you. Where did they bring you first? Did you go to like Brooklyn or something? No, they brought me to Albany. Albany Fed Courthouse. Okay. And then you were, did you get Bond?

No, they didn't get me fucking bond. Like I said, I had the case. They wasn't letting me fucking go nowhere. Oh, they put you as the head. Yeah, yeah, I was the head of the day, man. Even with the Connects, they don't make the Connect as the head? See, my case was a, um, my case was a RICO. The Connect case was a conspiracy, a drug conspiracy.

They were, they had, they were my calls. My connect was my co-conspirator. He didn't get charged in my indictment because they had their own diamond. They had a straight drug indictment. My, my, my, my, my, I got, I had a RICO. And I had, I had, um, and my RICO consisted of interstate trafficking, murder, um, And I say traffic, murder, shootings

and money laundering. It was money laundering, too. I don't think is that everything. Yeah, that's everything. Now, even if you didn't directly participate in it, you're still tied to it because if other, you know, members of what they're saying as an organization did, then it all falls back to you.

It felt everything fell back on me. I was the one that had to eat the bullet. It didn't matter if he, sold that drug over there, it didn't matter. If he shot that gun over there, they try to make me wear everything. They try to, they made, even though I beat the gun enhancement,

I beat the criminal act of violence. And this is, this is, like, they had me at level 32. I was at a brick of crack, level 32, 280 grand to 840. Then they gave me four point for the leader enhancement. Then they gave me two point

for the gun enhancement. then they gave me two points for a criminal act of violence. The gun enhancement I beat because my lawyer told me that pulled up my driver. My lawyer pulled up my driver actually and showed I got pulled over 93 times in the month of May, June, and July. In three, four months, I got pulled over 93 times. He wanted me to, like, sue them because that was harassment to my lawyer. But I'm like, I'm not suing them. They got a fucking case against me right now.

What do you mean? I'd assume I'm trying to get the least time they can get. I'm not fucking bothering them. He was like, yo, you could sue them. They weren't supposed to be pulling you over at all them times. That's harassment all day in America. But it worked out to my favor that they pulled me over at all those times because it showed that I didn't further rinse my drug activity with a firearm.

So the gun enhancement that they tried to get me, I beat it because it shows I don't, you guys pulled me over 91 times and never caught a gun. Obviously, I don't use guns. I don't have a gun. So I beat that and then I had a shooting that they had me involved in And it came back one of my co-D told them it was his shooting It wasn't mine so that got off of me and the only thing I couldn't beat was the leader enhancement Because I had some of my co-s some of my co-dees told on me

And they were saying I was the boss They were saying I did this I did this I I had them do this. So the only way I could fight that, if I fight that, if I say, no, I ain't the boss, you're the boss. I ain't going to say that. Like, all I did when I went to court is, listen, I sold my own drugs. I didn't make nobody sell drugs. I did my own thing.

But they're not trying to hear that. They want you to say who's the boss. And I ain't the right. So we ain't going to have that conversation. So I had to eat that shit and wear that shit. And you just took a plea deal? Yeah. You didn't want to go to trial.

Fuck, no. Everybody was telling on me. Everybody was telling on me, my phone was tapped. I would have did 30 years. I went to trial. Ten years is a pretty good plea deal for a RICO, too. Definitely, definitely. Because I met guys and the feds that were low-level on the RICO that got five.

Facts. And that was just baseline, like, caught on the wire, sold some drugs. Facts. Wow. So what were some of the other guys getting? Like literally no jail time? Literally, three years. Everybody was getting three.

Me and my other COD, I got the most time. My COD that's up north right now, he got time, but he got time for a state charge. Something that he did in the state. But as far as my Fed case, I got the most time. How do your family react to those charges when you got busted? That shit hurt. That shit hurt them because, like,

I was all we had. As far as, like, taking care of the family, making sure everybody's life, I was all we had. So, like, that shit was devastating. Did you feel like you let them down? Definitely, definitely, definitely, definitely. So you take the 10. Where did they send you first?

10. Allenwood pin. Oh, they sent you right to a penitentiary? Yeah. Why so high? Because I was young. I was the boss. So my points got up because of that.

Yeah, that's why I went to a low first. Copy. That sucks that you went to a pen. Yeah. And because my crime is high severity, too. I get seven points just for my crime. Seven points. And then my criminal history category.

Seven points for my crime. And then it was like, I think I got eight because I was 18 and between 18 and 25. You know, that's like the high points. But I was in there. I wasn't in there for longer. I was only in there for like six months. I wasn't supposed to... Really, I wasn't supposed to be there.

They fucked my points up when it was all set and done. I had a wait to go to team. I left there, went to McKean. Then after McKean, I went to Fort Dix, crashed in Fort Dix, went to Berlin.

And then after Berlin, I went to Danbury. And you left from Danbury? And I left from Danbury. And then went back to Berlin? And then went back to Berlin. I'm surprised. I thought they normally have to send you back to your home jail, which is Danbury.

So check this shit out. So they said I can't even go to a loan no more because I'm an MMA fighter. They sent me to Berlin because they say I'm an MMA. I'm thinking I'm going, when I caught my violation, I'm thinking I'm going back to, I'm thinking I'm going back to Danbury. Sweet spot, yeah. Sweet spot. I'm like, I'm going back to the spot. All right, whatever. When I get to Brooklyn and they're like, yo, you're going to fucking Berlin.

I said, how? How the fuck am I going to Berlin? But, you know, it's just the bullshit in the game. I didn't open my phone for them. They made sure I got sent to Berlin. They do it on purpose. Yeah, they do this shit on purpose. You don't help them.

They're not helping you. And you're going to get, when you don't help them at the end day, that's just the reality. You get fucked around. Diesel therapy. That's what they do. Diesel fucking therapy. So you were like 18 or 19 when you went to that penitentiary?

Facts. Were you surprised by the atmosphere there? Definitely. Definitely. It was a life-it-it-was a life-learning experience. That whole situation was a life-learning experience. Were there cars at the penitentiary? Is it operate, like what it does at Fort Dix?

Or is it more gangs? It's gangs, cars. Yeah, it's mostly, you know, gangs be with dumb, but then you got the cards. So I don't never, when I talk about it, I don't ever act like the car is a gang because the car is not a gang to me. Yeah, I don't think it's a gang either. It's just a group of individuals from the same place trying to get home.

So I don't call that a gang. And you stayed with those kind of individuals? Yeah, I was from New York, so I was with the New York people. Yeah, New York is like the biggest car on the East Coast. Definitely. Did you feel safe at that penitentiary or were you scared? What was kind of like your vibe when you got there? I'm saying it's my first prison.

I don't know nothing about prison. All I know is the county that I was in. So what I say, I was definitely not scared, but I was definitely curious on how life was getting ready to be while I was at this spot. So it was definitely, like I said, it was a learning experience. Was it what you expected it to be? I really didn't have no expectations on it.

Like I knew I was going to press. prison. I knew I had to hold myself down. So it was just like when I get there, whatever happens happens. Like, I'll figure it out. I'm going to figure it out. And I mean, that's what I did. I figured it out. Was it weird going from a penitentiary to a place like Fort Dix? If you want to be serious, like, Four Dix is sweet and all that, but shit happens in four Dix. Four Dix is dangerous, too. Like, I've seen, I've seen a bunch of shit happening for Dix. I've seen a bunch of shit.

So as far as, like, the Chomos and shit like that, like, that was crazy. Like, that's, that, I'm going to have to say, every, everything that was crazy to me about going to a low facility is like, you know, the Chomos. That was like, what I didn't even know what a chomo was until I got the Four Dix. And I'm like, yeah, that's a chomo. And I'm like, yo, what's a chomo? Like a child molester. And I'm like, huh?

I'm like, because coming from the hide, like, you don't see that. You're not going to see a child molester. And you're not even going to see that in the media. Like, you're not going to see that. So just seeing one of them and being on the same yard with them, like, it was crazy to me. That might have been the nutty as shit from Penn, medium, low. was just like the ever chumelma shit. I think that's what makes Fort Dix dangerous, though, too,

is because you have guys that are from a pen or a medium that are able to work their way down, guys that have been in prison for murders or violence, and then they get to the low. Those are the guys carrying around the steel blades and the shanks and all that. Facts. Because it's hard to adapt to that.

It's super hard to adapt to that. Especially if you got a whole bunch of time in the pen. I could only imagine. I wasn't there for a long time. But my men's... mentality came from that because that was the first jail I went to. So my mental, you, I got to go, okay, so this is how all jails and the feds is. This is what it's hitting for.

But it's not like, you know, and a pen is very dangerous, very dangerous, you know. Even in the mediums is dangerous. It's not, it's not as dangerous as the pen, but it's dangerous. How do you end up getting popped with a phone at Fortix? um lazy being fucking lazy um i was so happy to get the four decks and finally get the phone that i was on the phone i was falling asleep on the phone i'm talking talking to my girl we falling asleep and all that it was one night i put the phone up but i had the battery pack on it i didn't put the battery pack up i got so lately i just put the battery pack under the shoe

under my shoe under the bunk. So, you know, they came in, did they think. And, um, boom. Found it. Ran it. They found a battery pack, which made them go to my locker. And I had my phone hidden in a, um, in a deodorant. I had the pinky phone.

So they found that shit. And, um, Four Dix was over for me. How much did you pay for the pinky phone? I've seen guys. with that? I think it was like 1300, 1400. Holy cow, and it's literally just like the screen and the key patterns on that one thing. Yeah, you would

see guys just like casually talking and you're like, what is he talking on? Exactly, exactly. I used to have my own skellion and have my hat on and have it in my air. You wouldn't even know it's so small. You would think I would probably listen to music or some shit. Does that pick up on the wand

or no? Nope. It don't pick up the wand. The one I had Dan pick up on the wand. Really? So that's why you're Because normally guys wouldn't keep it on them, like, in their locker and personal property. Yeah, no, no, I kept it. So how'd they find that? I feel like they knew a phone was in the area because of the battery packs, they're the phone somewhere close. Now, when you say battery pack, you mean the charger or the actual battery?

No, I had somebody, I had somebody make a battery pack because I was tired of keep charging the shit for 20 minutes. So I had a battery pack on it that once I charged a battery pack, That shit lasts me for like two, three days. So I don't have to, you know, when you charge your phone, you got to, first you got to charge it. And then now you're on the lookout to, while it's charging, making sure they did not come running in your spot looking for the phone or whatever. So I had to make a battery pack. So if I charge it, I watch it get charged for 45 minutes an hour. Now I'm good for the whole three days instead of every other couple hours charging a phone.

That shit was ludicrous. Now back then, did guys have smartphones or was it mostly just those? No, dudes had the big phones, the smartphones, the galaxies and shit. But for me, it didn't make any sense for me to, like, have that phone because number one is too big. Number two, I didn't have social media, so all I wanted to do was talk. I didn't want to go on the internet. And if I did, I just wrench your phone real quick. Look for some, but me, I just wanted to talk, so I ain't want no big ass phone.

If I could do it all again, I would just stick to renting, and I wouldn't have owned a phone. Why not? Because, well, me as a white guy that looks like a chomo at Fort Dix did not last long with a phone. Guys were trying to extort me left and right. But also the risk level at Fort Dix moving around, and it's so annoying to charge it. You got to keep the battery separate. You got to do this. You got to do that.

You got to have two spots, one for the battery, one for the phone. Facts. Just a lot. I mean, at the camp, it's cool. because the phones were only, you know, $150. So I'd rather chuck that shit, you know, out the window. Yeah. And let it get busted.

And you live to fight another day. But at four dicks, you can't, you throw it away $2,000. Exactly. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Yeah. And it's just hard. I did rent it from one of the Mexican guys for a little bit.

Those guys hustle over there. Super hustlers. Yeah. They got the guy on watch, everything. Everything. And they run in as soon as a cop comes, pick it up, and they run down the hall. Facts.

So they catch you with the phone, they bring you in the shoe, and then they ship you out of there. Yep. How long are you in the shoe for? That's the worst part, man. I was in that shit for like six months. Yeah, they do that on purpose.

But I went, I got knocked in October. You know, October, you got Thanksgiving, you got Christmas, you got New Year's. So I'm stuck in the box that whole, that whole shit. That whole shit. You still get the good meals, the holiday meals or no? Do you? I think I don't even think we do

I think we You get they stuffed the tray But man fuck all that that shit Do you get a Christmas bag still? No You don't get a Christmas bag I was shocked about that in the feds My first Christmas of the feds

I got a Christmas bag and a Cornish Hen Yeah Cornishan Those are good And they give you the eggnog Oh yes we did get the little egg dog Definitely get the eggnog That was what I would look for So eventually you go to Berlin

And then you may get the damn Yep. Describe the Danbury, you know, male federal prison in your experience there. It's just like four dicks. Danbury is just like four dicks. You got cell phones, you got everything, anything that you want.

Like, I mean, it's the same shit. Anything you want, anything you get in four dicks, you can get in Danbury. For me, I love Danbury. I'm going to say Danbury, personally, my opinion is better than four dicks because I'm closer to home.

So not only do I get the perks of Fort Dix, I'm closer to home. And it don't really matter anyway. I was in Berlin. I got visits every week. Everywhere I went, I got visits every week. So it didn't really, the visits didn't really matter. But I loved the fact that I didn't have to put the strain on my family. Like, they're coming.

My sister, we used to drive five hours to Berlin, five hours back, five hours to Berlin, five hours back. That's a lot. And she did that shit every week. I mean, so to keep me seeing, to keep my spirits up. So, like, once I got closer to home, I loved it. And I have a cell phone here, too? Fuck it. Was it harder to get a cell phone there?

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people know me from different different spots from different things i don't did so i always got the i always got the the love of i always got the love that i was supposed to get when i hit a spot yeah when you go from spot to spot do you always have to show your paperwork or are you good because people knew you no you you always got to show your paperwork even if no paperwork even if no paper You always got to show your paperwork even if you got to a new spot and somebody knew you you show it but you show it

period anyway because it don't matter what anybody say like you and me could be in the spot and your man can come and you could tell me he's good I'm not trying to hear that like I want to see his shit that's cool that you'll meet shit but I want to see his shit if he's going to be around us I want to see him and me

like I was known for sending rats up top like that's what I did that's how I got my name in the fed. I was sending shit up top. And what do you mean by sending a rat up top? What does that mean? Getting them off the compound. They had to go.

So give us a scenario. You find out someone's a rat. Somebody's a rat. Beat them up. You know what? I'm just going to say this. I had one situation where a dude told on another dude. A dude told on another dude from my city.

So not only is the dude of rat He's from my city And he told him the dude from my city So what I did was Once I found out he was there I was going to try to I was going to cut his ass He got to the

Um This is in Fort Decks too I did this He was in um What's that shit Is it 57 56 He was in one either what unit I forgot what unit was

But I found out he was there And I knew he told him my God So I told somebody else that I knew from Ohio That yo tell that dude There's new dudes coming A new dude came in and he said come outside When he came out When he came outside

He met me at the home You know where they play softball at He met me over there And when he met me I was like I was like yo bro you got your paperwork and he was like, he was like,

nah, I ain't got my paperwork. And I was like, where you from? But I know who he is. He just don't know who I am. So he says, he tells me, um,

he goes, um, I'm from Schenect. I know he's not from Schenek. I know he's part of the Schenet case, but I know he's not from Schenek. You know, I was like,

you're from Schenek where, uh, and I'm like, yo, you're a rat. Why we're talking, why you're talking, we're a rat.

Pull up my night. When I pull out my knife, he run. I chase him across the whole compound. Chase him across the whole compound. He runs into the lieutenant. You know where the way pile is, across the street. Where the way power is, the lieutenant, check, shit. Yeah.

He ran right in there. And, you know, I didn't get to get him. But that was the type of time I was on. Never came back. Yeah, he never came back. Never came back. And I didn't get in trouble for it. For some reason, he didn't tell.

But like I said, I chased them across the whole compound with the shit. Was it a hard adjustment being in a place like Danbury where there's just like Chomos kind of like protected and everywhere? Yeah, for me it was fucked up, but at the end of the day it was just like, by the time I got the Danbury, I was trying to get the fuck home anyway. Like my bid, I had a year and a half, 20 months left. I don't already did all that silly shit. I was on to come home.

I was trying to come home. But from. storing my bid and then ending it the shit. The end of my bed was probably the most worst part of my bed if I had to say because I had to deal with rats. I had to deal with Chomones. I had to deal with shit

that I don't agree with. I had to deal with shit that I'm not wet for a long period of time. I had to deal with it. So it's like yo damn I could fuck this dude around right now but I got

18 months left. I got 20 months left. Like, but I wouldn't be in this situation if I wasn't in a low. And then you got the, then you got the thing like, if you don't like your head so much, go back to the medium. So you understand what I'm saying? And nobody wants to live like that, pulling your shoes on in the shower and just like, oh, wearing boots in the shower, this stupid shit. Like, you know, you get to the low because you want to have a peaceful, the best bid you want. But when you're in the low, you got to deal with, you got to deal with shit that you don't respect that you're not with. Is it hard going from two-man cells to open dorm?

Like in Danbury, that's even worse in Fort Dix because it's huge rooms with bunk beds everywhere. At least Fort Dix is like, you know, a little... The worst. That dorm shit was the worst. Like, you sleeping in 50 people walking by your head going to get water or, like, the end of my bid was like, it was a bittersweet.

I was glad that my bid was done, but it was just like I had to deal with a whole bunch of fuck shit. It was just shit, like I said, just life shit that I don't respect. Yeah, and we were talking out there. We figured out that we were pretty much in Danbury at the same time, but only I was in the shoe. Yeah, facts. Because of the super cop.

And you were telling me the story about how he became a super cop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, my ex-girlfriend's cousin. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, the Danbury, and the shoe there is crazy because it's like three tears. and it's like Alcatraz, like with the bars. It's definitely like Alcatraz with the bars. Yeah, I had never seen anything like it. They called me McLevin over there.

They called you McLevin? Yeah, that was my nickname over there. Yeah, McLevin. I was running that shoe over there. It was running that shit. I wish I stayed on the yard, though, because I was literally five minutes away from my parents. That's the best thing. So I would have to do the, like, I was doing the once-a-week visits with the shoe and the orange jumpsuit on Mondays where there's only like a two-hour period.

too hard. Yeah, it was the worst. I was in the box. I was in the box one time in Danbury. And it's funny that, it's funny. This shit is fucking hilarious. This story right here. I'm about to tell you.

I'm in the gym. They're doing a sweep in the unit. Somehow, some way they do a sweep by my cell. They find K2 in a sneaker. I don't do drugs. I'm not selling K2. they find it in a sneaker, they tell me I got to go to the box. Whatever.

My bunkie, me and my bunkey, he was from Connecticut. We go to the box, my bunkie gets out. Like two days later. He leaves. I'm still in this bitch. I'm like, what the fuck is? What the fuck? In my mind, I'm like, yo, did he tell on me?

And then, you know, when you're in a box in Danbury, you got people that can see you from the box from that unit. with that unit is they can see you from outside when you go outside. Commissary. No, no. What's the, you know, like when you go out for a wreck, and they can look that

whatever unit that is that can see you in the, when you're going to wreck. Yeah, I think the commissary yard is right exactly across from the shoe. Like you can look. There's the female compound and the male commissary. Whatever unit was, there was somebody,

a couple of bros was like, yo, your codey's out here, did he tell on you? And I'm like, yo, I don't know. I ain't going to say he told because I don't fucking know. But I'm, no, everyone knows that K2 wasn't mine and everybody knows I don't do K2. So come to find out whatever. They let me out.

I mean, but this is where the shit gets crazy. So when you go to the shoe, you know, they pack all your shit up and all that. Now, mind you, I had a cell phone. I had a cell phone in Denberry. Now, this is shit is super funny I'm looking for my water jug

I'm not worried about nothing After I get out of the shoe, now I'm looking for I'm worried about my phone I go through my property, my water jug is not there So I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, did they find it? I'm like, but they would have charged me

They wouldn't even let me out the shoe. Like, did they find it? So I go back to the unit I tell, I go back to the unit And, you know, it's a dorm. Everybody, here's what I'm saying. So I tell, I'm like, yo, whoever the fuck got my water jug, give me my water jug right now.

I'm going to give niggas 10 minutes to give me my water jug. If I see anybody with my water jug after 10 minutes, I'm being the shit out of you. No water jug. Nobody brings me to water jug. So now I'm going ape shit. I'm going ape shit. I'm in the TV room looking at, I went through everybody's dorm.

I went through the whole dorm and there's two, there's two 10 men. You had the Italian 10 men with the mob guys, and then you had a 10 men, you know, there was another 10 men, they were all real dudes in there. That's how the 10 men were. I knocked on the door to the 10 men of the real dudes. I was like, yo, anybody seen my own jug?

Nah, you know, we ain't see it, Rock. Asked the mob guys. Yo, anybody see my jug over there? Now, I'm cool with Bruno. I was cool with Bruno. I was cool with Bobby. This is, this is crazy. They said they didn't see my water jug.

Two days later, Bobby and Bruno hand me my water jug. Rob, Rob, Robert Leon, I think his name, Bobby, and Bruno Etacotta. They gave me my water jug. They were like, yo, here's your water jug. This is it.

And I was like, yeah, where'd you get that from, though? Like, who gave it to you? They didn't, they wanted to keep the peace. They didn't want, they didn't want to tell me who it was because whoever, if they told me who it was, I was going to crush them for stealing my shit. but I was so happy that I got it I said alright fuck it you ain't got to tell me

they were like yo just take the water jug don't leave it alone but I had so much respect for them for the mob dudes and like I had a report but I was cool with them I showed them why I was going crazy for this water jug I had my phone inside the water jug

there was a secret compartment they had it and they didn't even know so when I get when I'm in the room I'm showing them why I go. I'm like, yo, this is why I was going crazy. I'm showing the secret compartment. I'm getting ready to go home, so I don't even care in that at this time. I don't even care about even showing them this shit.

I'm like, yo, look, this is why I was going crazy. They were like, you had a fucking phone in there? We had a phone in this room this whole time? Oh, my God. Like, they were going, they were like, wow. You were like, damn, if we got caught with that shit, like, but I was like, yeah, that's why I was going fucking crazy. My fucking phone was in the water jug.

Holy cat. It was a little thumb phone, too. You love those. Thumb tones. I love them. Those were the ones. How much did you pay at, I mean, at Danbury for that one? I got that for my man.

He gave it to me for a stack. So you just cared about talking on the phone. You didn't care about text and none of that. None of that shit matters. As long as a talk and, yeah, that's it. Wow. How many numbers can you save on that? Is it hard to coordinate with those?

No, no, you can save as much as you want. But, you know, I had eight years in at that time. So, you know, the people I'm calling is, I might have three, four regular numbers I'm calling. I ain't calling nobody special. I ain't calling a bunch of people. Wow. Yeah.

That's crazy. And they're not able to catch that, that phone. Not at all. Dude, those are the way to go. Yeah, no, definitely. I recommend the small phones. Like, you can't get warned with it because, like, I got warned with the small phone in Fort Dix, and I had it on me, and it didn't go through. And it didn't ring.

So that's how I know it works. I got warned with it before. So how many years do you do on 10 in the feds? Eight years and six months. Did you lose any good time? I lost a bunch of good time. I lost, like, I want to say, I think I lost, like, 150 days. And so you still got out and eight and a half, even with losing that time?

I don't think I did. I think I did, like, eight years and ten months. Okay. Yeah, I think I did eight years. And you went to a halfway house? Yeah. In New York? Yep, in the opening.

Okay. And what was that like for you? Was that a hard adjustment after that period of time? No, I was happy as fuck. I was in a habit. When I got to that halfway house, I was like, I was beyond happy. That shit was home to me. That shit felt like after doing all that time, that shit felt like everything.

Now, going to the halfway house after my violation, that's when I was pissed about being in a halfway house. I wanted to get the fuck out of there. But I was grateful for the halfway house when I got home. Wait, you can get halfway house on a 10-month sentence. I thought you have to have a year and a day. Nope. Really? Wow.

So you did 10 months plus halfway or 10 months was including a halfway? No, I did eight months and then two months in the halfway house. And then you were done, no paper, no. No, no. When I did the eight months in Berlin, I had to do two months in the halfway house. I had to do 12 months after that on probation. So I did that and that shit all done with. So what do you do for work after you get out that first time?

All I do for work. What was your mindset? My mind was really whatever, however I could make some money. And not illegally. That illegal shit was, I was off that shit when I turned like 25, 26. I was coming up with business ideas when I came home, what I was going to do. I was working like 80 hours a week at a redemption. center.

Then I opened up a foreign rental spa. I was running out foreign rentals, Beamer. I had a Beamer, had an infinity. I had an Audi. I had a couple of other cars, regular cars. I was renting those out. Then after that, I started doing the Metacab thing too, picking up, you know, people that had drug problems, senior citizens to get back and forth today,

doctors' appointments. So I was doing that for a little while, too. And then I was an MMA fighter. I was doing MMA fighting, so that was really my schedule, MMA fighting and working. How did you get into MMA? Well, I've been being dudes up my whole life. I've been fighting my whole life. I've been being dudes of my whole life.

And one day I was in TV room in jail and I was watching UFC and the dude was fighting and I told dudes I was like, yo, I'll beat that dude's ass the dude that's in the ring. I forgot who was fighting. And everybody was like, you can't go in the fucking ring. These guys are trained, ah, whatever.

So I made it a thing in my head that I wanted to fight in the ring when I came home. So when I came home, my uncle knew Tommy's partner, Slim, and they was like, you know, my uncle just, my nephew just came home from doing 10 years. He wants to fight. They gave me a shot.

I went in there. I didn't get beat up. So I was just like, let me, let me keep going with this shit. And that was my thing. I said, if I got beat up, I wasn't going to fuck around in the ring no more. But I didn't. It was easy. That shit was like.

So I kept fighting. And I end up after my second fight, after my first fight, I ended up getting up with Tommy. And he had me with, he had me situated with Henzo Gracie. I was doing Henzo Gracie from my Jizitsu. And then he hooked me up with, then Tommy hooked me up with Kyle Provisano, shots boxing, shot at the shots boxing.

That's where my boxing skills came in from him. It was murder she wrote. We've been chasing fights after that. Do you wish you found MMA and boxing when you were a kid to kind of channel that anger into? Yes. Do you think that would have kept you out of trouble? It would have kept me out of trouble. And I'd be way even more of a monster than I am now.

If I had all that, if I knew, like, because I was beating dudes up just off natural talent, just off of I was a good fighter. But if I knew all the shit that I knew now, as a kid and I keep progressing and progressing I'd probably be a fucking who know I'd be like a two-time champion in the UFC if I knew this shit as a kid if I knew it. Do you regret losing all of your 20s

to prison? Fuck yeah. No, I don't regret it because it made me who I it made me who I am. It's sad that I had to go through what I went through at the end of the day like everybody has their own story

everybody has their own trials and tribulations and experiences that they got to go through to become who they are now so that was my that was my um if I didn't go to jail I wouldn't be who I am today and I'm proud of who I am

so I definitely don't regret shit I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't change nothing I did in my life ever nothing I ever did do I regret how did you transition into music after getting out the second time?

I always, me and my friends, we always wrapped when we were kids and shit. We just never took a series because we was in the streets. Like, we might go to the studio when I was getting money and when we were in the streets probably every four or five months

go record a song or something, shit like that, but it was never, it was, we just never took it serious. Like, a lot of people liked it our music when we were kids. So it really just it was just a dream to be a rapper when we were kids.

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I did a song, I did a song with Corey Guns, Get the Money, it went viral on World Star. It was trending for seven days on World Star. And then I just I did a song with 40 Cal from Dipset Shout out to 40 Cal

shout to Corey Guns Um That shit got like 40, 50,000 views in the month or some shit So that shit's doing good And just recently I'm doing a song right now

I just did a song In video with Davies and Vado Shout out to Davies, shout out to Vado So I'm probably going to drop that in the next 10 days or some shit. So that will be on the lookout. I just dropped the mixtape, feed up. Feed up mixtape. If you're watching this, go check it out.

Port Shuck Rock, feed up. It's out right now. Streaming it's on all platforms. Go get that. Shout out my man Ferris for making all this shit happen, you know. Other than that, that's all I really got for the music right now. I think you have a freestyle for us, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, I do, I do.

You can't hold that one on us, right? Yeah, yeah, my phone, I definitely say I got you. Hold on, man. Oh, you got three phones now. Yeah. Can't, um, one for fighting, one for... Wait, so what about the two watches? I've never seen someone with two watches on.

I just In case one doesn't work You use the other No not in case one don't work I just I just like putting that shit on man I like feeling good There was times where

I had to wear great sweats Every day So you know I'm living minds to the fullest I get it I'm living minds to the fullest That's fair What was that like the iPhone 10 right there

This shit might be the Or the 8 That thing's a brick right there Holy cow Wow No trade didn't need it It's feet up Tommy what up

Add field in my fury Niggas just be gassing you Passing you broke is a joke Niggas are laughing at you Niggas ain't a worry I ain't even looking back for you No match for you Nigger right here

Sweet in an apple juice I clap at you I'm hitting something Leave you niggas bitch and running If you think my clip ain't dumping Nigger must be sniffing something 30 30 40 40 40 I'm equipped for hunting I'll throw a hollow let it follow

Straight kiss your onion First you hard then you soft like a dick Or something man I know we pussy So that means you getting addicted something i'll throw a clipin clip out buck out the ride get the fuck of the dodge dip in the dip out see there's always a hater on if not later on i inspect for all the insects i keep my spray on if i see you i'm gonna spray the john leave you niggins lane calm see you not a ginkster boy now move it on

i'm something like madden 30 30 40 40 with my 2020 leave you where you standing blamming call me a pirate house and cannons niggas i bisoned a peanut butter they be jamming hugh i like the hook it was cool yeah i like that So that was a complete freestyle? Complete freestyle. So you just come up with that on the top of your head? Man, a couple, that was written, but before it was written, but it was freestyle out there and because I'm not recording it or not, so you would call that a freestyle.

Who does, like, The Hook? Is that you guys? Do you produce that, or? What, the hut? Or the song? Oh, the beat. Now, that's Fat Joe beat right there. That's Fat Joe beat.

That's a legendary song. Shout out to Fat Joe. Rich play, man. That's awesome, man. Well, thank you for sharing with us. Definitely. I appreciate you. And we'll have the links to your music and everything in the description.

Yeah, yeah. Post Chuck Rock on everything on Apple, on YouTube, on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, post Chuck Rock on everything. So what do you think was the biggest takeaway in life lesson you want people to hear from your story that are listening? The biggest lesson is never fold. Never fold. stand on what you believe in.

Don't, don't, never fall, basically, man. That's never, never, never, when, when adversary comes, go through it with your head, high and chest out, like, shit always gets greater later. So, like, when problems come to you, always, always have integrity, always have dignity, and just handle your business. Like, at the end of the day, I'm at where I'm at in life because I do the right. thing when nobody's looking so as long as you do that you're going to get your blessings from god like just do the do the right thing when nobody's looking that's really what I can say and never

fold well said thank you man for coming on the show today it was great to chat with you and keep in touch and definitely yeah if you ever have any friends or anything you want to send our away I got you don't worry about I definitely got you