Locked In with Ian Bick - Rikers Island Prison Guard Reveals What A Girl’s Prison Cell Smells Like | Leroy Ebron

Episode Date: March 5, 2024

Delve into the gripping narrative of Leroy Ebron, a former Rikers Island prison guard who endured 22 years within the depths of solitary confinement. In this episode, Ebron courageously unveils the horrors he witnessed behind the prison walls, shedding light on the psychological toll of isolation, rampant aggression, and systemic neglect. Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:04:47 - Prisoner Saved from Violence 00:09:34 - A Glimpse into Prison Life 00:14:27 - Life in the Jail and Solitary 00:19:13 - Attempted Rescue in the Yard 00:24:25 - Dangers 00:29:04 - Bible Inmate 00:34:09 - Conflict with the Captain at the Clinic 00:38:57 - The Frosted Flakes Incident 00:43:59 - A Genuine Relationship with Inmates 00:48:53 - The Frosted Flake Thief 00:54:10 - The Notorious Bandit 00:59:13 - Life in Prison: Stories and Perspectives 01:04:07 - Attempted Murder in Prison 01:09:34 - Dismissed and Early Retirement in the Criminal Justice System 01:14:35 - Fresh Meat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It was this guy on the COs, the females. She went down there to take account. And she said, oh, you're just going to be off right there. You see me here? And you ain't going to stop. Obviously, he didn't stop. I said, don't worry. I'm going to take care of.

I said, you come off to tear. So I went down there. I'm like, yo, what's you doing? That was a new dude, you know. He said, oh, you must then read my floor card. This is what I do. Yo, you ain't going to do that down here, man. You understand?

Man, f*** you, CO. me? All right. Yo, Rich Bird, crack dirty cell. And so I went in there, I said, now, you want to say that again? You don't see you, oh, man, you know how it is, man. I know how what is. Man, f*** it, man.

I did it. What you want. Once he throw his hands up, you're getting it. Because once you throw your hands up, you are a threat to me. I did the 52 pick up on that boy. When I finished with him, he didn't know what happened. Oh, man. I am so, so excited to share this episode with you.

Leroy Ebron, a former Rikers Island Correctional Officer, is here to share the insanity that was his career over the course of working in the maximum security segregation unit for 22 years in one of this country's most notorious prisons, Rikers Island. Let's not waste any time and jump right into this exciting episode. So sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with Leroy Ebron. Leroy, welcome, man, to Lockton.

It's an absolute pleasure to have you here today. Very grateful we connected. Your friend who's watching us right now, who's going to be coming on the show. Yeah, Duran. Yeah, Duran. He connected us. He's like, hey, I got a friend of mine that was a Rikers Island correctional officer for 22 years. But that's not just the half of it.

You worked in the shoe, right, the solitary? Oh, yes, the solitary. I did my whole time in the solitary, which is called the Bing. The Bing they called it? They call it the Bing. That's the worst area in the jail would nobody want to go. What years were you active there? From 1986 to 2006.

1986. How old were you in 1986? I went in around 1819. 1819 years old. Yeah, yeah. I was in between the age. And I went in there. And I was young when I went in there.

You know what I'm saying? What made you decide to become a CEO at that age? To be honest, I didn't want to be a CEO. At the time, I was running the street, wow, you know, like we do when you're young, you know. You run the screen and I was hanging with some very, very notorious people. And I guess my mother seen that. And one night I came in and she said, Le Roy, she said, I want to be. you off of these streets because I don't want you to wind up in jail or dead.

So she sat there every night when I come in, she'd be at the kitchen table with her Bible. And she had a chief paper. The chief give you jobs. You understand? And she would fill out applications and say, listen, you're going to take the police officer test, sanitation tests, post office tests, post office tests. MTA test, and then it came correction. And every time I come in, it was a different test for me to take.

And if it wasn't for her, well, shall say, there wasn't for God and her, I wouldn't be here right now. Because all the guys that I was hanging with, they all wind up going where I met. They wind up coming in zoo, and I see them. Wow. Where did you grow up? What city?

I grew up in Brownsville in Brooklyn. In Brooklyn. Yeah, Van Dyck Projects on the south side. Do you think if children had a parent, a mother or a father figure, like your mom, was to you, that the world would be a different place? Oh, yes, yes, very, very, very different. You know, thank all my mom's in 99. I'm here to tell her mom, look, I didn't wind up dead, but I did wind up in prison, but I wound up in prison. the good side or a different way.

And I helped out a lot of people. I used to have a composition book, the little black and white book. And I used to write down, jot down how many prisoners I done saved from getting stabbed and rape. And I stopped at like 2,500. And then one morning I said, you know what? I don't know why I'm writing in this book, because I'm always going to do that. So I took the book I threw in the garbage and the rest of history.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. The rest is history. You have a very unique perspective because so much time has passed since you've retired. Yeah. And you're able to talk freely

about kind of the situations that, you know, you encountered over there whereas, like sometimes we'll have a prison guard or a correctional officer come on the show where they're still employed or they're still active in law enforcement and still a part of that. So their perspective might be a little bit different than yours.

Right. And I'm sure, I can't even imagine the things you've seen in Rikers Island, one of the most notorious prisons in the country, if not the world. That's right. You know, it's over 4,000 acres of land there. You got 10 jails up there. Back in the 80s, we had over 25,000 inmates in there. 25,000?

Yes. At one time? At one time. What's a capacity, or is that overcapacity? Well, no, it goes more than that. Like, Wharton Robertson, thank God for Warden Robinson. You know,

that man done so much for me. You know, Warden Robinson, Depp Andrews, you know, debt belly, you know, debt riches. You know, I have to give them a big shout out because I followed them. Wharton Robinson was my mentor. You know, and I watched every step they do.

And that got me to do. corrections. It really did. Because all you got to do is be fair. You know what I'm saying? A lot of people wasn't fair in there, man. You know, I almost lost my

job. Three months on the job. I almost got fired. Three months in. Three months in. What happened? I walked in. The bells is ringing. You see the squad outside the squad. They got their sticks,

the helmets. And they They beat in a hell out of somebody. Beating a bam, bam, bam. And, you know, I'm like, something just told me, look down and see who they're beating like that, man. And when I go over there and I look, I get mad when I think about it. You know who it was?

It was, oh, hmm. It was my milking cookie, peanut butter jelly, Eat in neighbor. We grew up as kids together. And they were beating the shit out. And he looked at, when I looked at him, and he looked up at me, and I said, Donald?

And then what really made me flip out with this officer, came over there and took his foot and was getting ready to take his foot, put his on his forehead, and scrape it. Now when they do that, your skin peel right off your face. And when I saw him doing that, I blanked out. I forgot who I was.

All I know was that's my, you know, my neighbor, my best friend. I grabbed the officer and I threw him against the wall. And everybody was like, hey, what's going on? What's going on? And I'm like, what the hell you are doing? He's handcuffed. He can't do none of you. And you can't wait to take the skin off his forehead?

Then everybody backed up. And I never forget, Depp Richards. Oh, big, we used to call him Chrome Dome. He was boyhead. But he remained big, you jolly green giant looking. He never smiled, never smiled. He looked at me, he said, officer, what's wrong with you? And I said, look, they get ready, you know, pill his skin off his head.

So he said, what? And I told him, he said, listen, you go in my office. So there was a little room on the side. I went in there. And he said, what's going on? And I said, listen, that officer was getting made peel a skin off his face, off his forehead. He was like, what? He said, you know what?

I was wondering who was doing that. He said, you stay in here. I got to go out there and call me officers down because they want to know why a new jack flipped him on them for an inmate. So he went out there Said whatever he had to say to them guys He came back in there to me He said listen He said okay I understand what you did

Why you know you did what you did He said but one thing you got to remember He said We got a cold you go by And the cold is color blue And I looked at him and I said listen If that's the cold you go by you all live by it, I don't want him.

Because I'm not cold blue yet. I'm not there with y'all yet. I'm fresh. I'm only three months on the job. And he said, all right, don't worry about it. I'm going to take care of it. He papped me on my back. He told me, go ahead, you know.

And I walked out, Ian. I walked out. But, you know, and that's something I can never forget. How many times do you think that you've seen situations like that? And you've thought about, wow, if my mom didn't put me on the straight and arrow, that could have been me. Definitely, definitely. A lot of times, you know, I was with my man, you know, Tutt, you know.

Tut was a big part of my life. We ran together, you know, and let Tutt out of jail, you're a T-Black. Come on home. Majesty, let them go. They did their time. now I'm coming home you know my thing is I've seen so much

damaging stuff in there that you wouldn't believe you know what I'm saying but I'm glad I'm here today to talk about it because that's how we make changes because that's how you make changes you know what I'm saying

and it's not censored I was reading I was watching 60 minutes I don't know if you saw that I saw the clips they went into the federal prison and they were

They did an interview with one of the wardens. And it's just not accurate because they make you see what you want to see. These new sites that go in there, it's all staged. It's not real. It's not real. Me and you talking isn't staged. We don't have a script. We don't have a script.

We're talking freely. You get comfortable with me and you talk about what needs, what the system's really like. Yeah. You know, what really goes on. Yeah. Not the news who covers it up, puts one side of the story out there and doesn't give a real perspective. Listen, I've lived this. There's nothing.

They got a new saying that, you know, when on YouTube you see a guy lying or something, they say, oh, he's capping. You know? See, me, they could never say that about me because I worked in there 22 years in the vein. I lived this shit. I saved their lives.

If you read the comments on YouTube, you'll see how many lives I saved. I save people from getting raped in everything. And not only raped by inmates, raped by captains. Back in the 80s, shit like that was going on. It still goes on today. We had a captain back in the day. He had a baby, a black baby on his muscle hanging from a loop.

That's right. And he was proud of it. But when he'd be around me, he put that sleeve down. Because I look at him. He put that sleeve down. I don't play that. I don't play that. You know?

I save a captain from getting severely injured or killed. His name was Captain Singh, Chinese Captain. I love you, Captain Singh. Inmate, Fu Kuan. I'm going to get a shout out to Fu Kuan. I'm going to give a shout out to Shaquo. Shai. You know, people like that, Brandon, you know what I'm saying?

Feed abandoned. Reason why I'm calling these people out? Because these people, they was notorious in certain neighbors what they did. And I saved them, and they saved me. What you do I say? Because when it's on his own, when it's on, it's on, you got to remember, rack of saline was one of the worst jails in the country. And don't take that lightly when they say worse.

Oh, no, it was the worst. Anytime you got to hold your own or have something on you because you never know when it's coming at you, it's on, brother. What kind of inmates were housed there during this time? Just in the jail in general, what kind of charges in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s? We had everything. We had everything, man. Rapists, killers, kingpins.

You know, we had everything. And like I said, the area I worked, I had all the notorious people you could think of. Why did you get the job in solitary? How did that happen? Honestly, it's funny you say that. Because about five months on the job, they asked everybody who,

Who want to work the second guest area? Who won't work the thing? Raise your hand. We was at road call. We got about a good 200 officers at road call. Nobody raised their hand. I raised my hand. And they looked over me.

He had new jacks. They ain't paying me no mind. But after a week, they noticed every time I raised my hand and nobody else wanted it. They said, why you wanted so much? I said, because I can have. because the reason why, I told you, I was on the street before I got on the job. The guys that I knew was in the bin.

I knew I could run that sucker. You got to be a different person to be in that bin. You got to turn into a beast to be in that bin. Because if you don't, you're going to get shitted down. They're going to don't piss on you. Kool-Aid, fist, anything you could think of, They're going to throw it on you. Describe what the shoe the Bing is like,

like a physical description and kind of some of the inmates at our house there. All right. The Bing, like I told you, the Bing is when they violate an officer or they stab or they cut another inmate or whatever. That's when you're going to the Bing. You could call it the Bing, the Box, the segregation unit.

You know, them are the words for the Bing. But they locked in 23. hours a day. They only come out for wreck for one hour, but they go to the law library and stuff like that. But everything is enclosed. You know what I'm saying?

They get no carmissary or nothing. Nothing at all. Is there a shower in their cell? They get a shower. You let them out one at a time to the shower. And they're handcuffed. And they're handcuffed. And there's two people to a cell?

You take one person. Oh, one person. When you get up to a shower, you take the handcuffs off, going in the shower. You know? When they tell them from to come out, we got a little slot they put their hand in. You put the handcuffs back on them. You come on back out. But see, the problem with that is a lot of people that didn't want to work the thing is because they was lazy. They didn't want to do their job.

If anybody want to shower, let them get a shower. If you got to go to law library, let me go to law library. You know what I'm saying? You know, social service. Let me go search. The problem comes when you don't give them what they're supposed to have. And I learned that from Deppwood Andrews and what I was saying. Like you said, give them what they're supposed to have.

And you'll be all right most of the time, you know what I mean? That's what I realized when I was in solitary in the shoe in the Fed system, the officers that were lazy, the inmates would get pissed off. because in the shoe, they got to work. They have to make rounds. They got to put the trays for the food. There you go. They got a handcuffed showers on showered is. That's right.

The officers are miserable because they have to physically do the work. And, you know, listen, man, I'll tell you, I love the job. I loved it. They ran me out. They said I had too much power. Honestly. Do you think you had too much power? No.

I think I had a lot of respect. I don't call it power because with power, comes respect. And they don't look at it like that. You know what I'm saying? They don't look at it like that. I intervene in places where another officer just standing in look.

Now I jump right in the middle. Now, you're not doing that to him. You're not doing that to him. Come on, man. And going back to where I told you about Captain Singh and the inmate Fuquan, it was a riot in the yard. And I could see through the window.

They stabbing, they cut in, they're cutting. It's a bloody mess. And they're like, Ebroin, your being, they're going off. Can you come out here and help us? So they sent another officer down to relieve me. And I ran out there in the yard. Thank God.

I ran out there in the yard just in time. Because Captain's saying, somehow he fell. And when he fell, Foucawn came over him with a banger and a razor. And he was going to raise him. stab him and cut him.

And I just dove over his body. And I looked at Fouquan. I said Fukwan, nah. Not him, man. He's a good one, man. Not him. And Fouquan looked down at me. And he was on fire.

And he looked at the captain. He said, if it was for Ibron, you'll be dead right now. And he moved away and ran off and stabbed him and cut somebody else. I picked Captain Seng up off the floor. and I carried him out. But what I didn't know

while Fouquan was after him, he said Captain Singh slapped the shit out of him before they got in that yard. I didn't know that. If you did, would you have still saved him? Yeah, I would still save him. I would still save them. Because Foucun would have got more time.

Captain Singh, he'd been in the hospital. When you work under my watch, I want you to go home the same way you came in. That was my rule. That was my rule. Back in the 80s, they was cutting, dicing, and slicing in a heartbeat. What were some crazy acts of violence you heard of why someone was put in the shoe? Because a lot of times when you're working the unit, you don't witness it firsthand. You just find out what the guy did, right?

Right, yeah, yeah. But sometimes I couldn't even go out to child. I couldn't go out to child because they was after one of them. And like I say, officers, some officers just don't think. And I was scared to go out to child because, like I said, all right, you stabbed him, but he cut you. So now both of y'all are in the bean. So still, they want, they still want each other.

It's not over. But the officer were making a mistake like they did. I was trying to save this in me. And they just wanted to cut him because they said he was a pretty motherfucker. For no reason at all. We're going to get him. We're going to get him.

I'm like, yo, y'all not touching him. They say, E.Bron, you can't sleep here, kid. When you hear, you got it. But when you ain't here, he's getting it. And I told a dude, I said, listen, don't come out to yourself when I'm not here. you know, wait until maybe their time will be up and you'll be out of here, but they want you.

You fresh meat to them. And I didn't go to child for about good, well, three weeks. And the one time, personnel called me. I had to go to personnel office. They sent another officer down there to relieve me. about time I get up the stairs the bells was ringing and I'm like

where's the alarm at that's the E-Bron that's your house my house I said oh shit and I sprint around to run back downstairs when I got downstairs you know the inmate that I told you about they got them

now how did they get them why did I ask the officer, why did you let him out his cell? If you're going to let him out his cell, you got to make sure nobody else is out with him. Uh, uh, they're going to look at me.

Ebroon, it's okay. It's okay. They finally got me. And when he said that, his tongue came out the side of his motherfucking face. It was wiggling like this. And he grabbed it and stuck it back in his mouth. That's why I tell you

Rockets Island was Rockett's Island. It was real. Was it dangerous for you as a correctional officer to work the shoe? Even though everyone's locked up and handcuffed to travel, does it get dangerous? Oh, yes, it gets dangerous

because sometimes they can rip that cell open. How do they rip a cell open? They grab it by the end. Like if the officer goes to close it, sometimes they do something in between the cell, like some tissue or something where they don't close all the way, and the officer ain't paying it in no mind.

And they'd be halfway open. So then when another officer come down, they warn them, they rip it open, and they jump out on them with a bangor. You know what I'm saying? Well, a razor, you know, and it's on. In the shoe. In the shoe, it's on.

How do they get a razor? They got visitors to bring them in. But they still get a visit while they're in the shoe? Yeah, they still get a visit while they're in the shoe. but most of the time they was getting on visits and stuff like that they could get it in the mail you know stuff like that's a different time period yeah they could get it in the mail you know you gotta watch when they can't they girlfriend sometimes they girlfriend is good like them and they're

and slide it to them a razor in their mouth a raise in their mouth and they're just gunning for the COs they're gunning for no they're gunning for anybody just because they want to get into something yeah because they want to get into something you know So because you was a CO, you wasn't safe. Did anyone try to attack you violently during your early years before you gained the respect on the compound? No, not really, because they knew who I was on the street before I got the job. So most of my use of forces was saving their life from hanging up or cutting another person. You know, if you asked me 22 years, how many fighters?

How many altercations did you get into? I could say about 10. I could count them on my hand. Because I had a reputation before I got in the jail. Now, I was one of the few officers that could wear a jury in the jail. You know, it was one time I'm walking through the hall, and this inmate just blowed it out. Yo, how, yo, he called me by my government name.

Yo, Lee, well, you, how you get this job, Nick? And the captain was walking by You see, man, that nigga, you know what that happened? And the captain said, hey, you go grab that inmate And tell him whatever you used to do, you don't do that no more. Say him straight. Captain Boone.

Thank you, Captain Boone. I went and grab that inmate. Do I know from the street? Tell him your son. What are you thinking? You can't talk like that, man. Oh, yo, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I just don't know how you got that job, man.

I talked to you later. Don't worry about it. You know what I'm saying? I said, but this is me now. They didn't have a conflict of interest or anything. Like, I got put in solitary because a guard reported that I dated his cousin. So they didn't have that back then? Because they didn't put you in your case solitary because you dated.

Well, they did that to me. They had to get me off the compound. They wouldn't allow the two of us on the yard together. Isn't that why? Wow. Yeah, that is wild. So I sat in solitary, the Bing, you I guess you would call it in the feds for six months because of that almost. Wow.

Like you said, you know, different rules change and stuff like that, but that's crazy. The virtual in there? Would you have looked out for an inmate like me if you saw someone like me? I looked out for everybody, and I think that's why they calling me one of the Rockets Island legends. Because I didn't care who you were. I didn't care who you were Like I said My mother was a Christian

And she said Leroy You are in a good place To talk to guys In there About God And then my mind They don't hear

About no God You know what I'm saying But It came to a point When I see an inmate banging his head On the wall Or slicing his wrists

We're eating feces They eat feces? Eating feces Did you got to tell us How would that happen? Because they can't take it. The walls are closing in it on me, he brought. Don't worry.

When it's like that, I open their cell. Come on out, man. Come on out, man. Walk him in the day room, sit down, talk to him. Now I'll get something to eat, something to drink, too on the TV for a little bit, until he calmed down. Other officers don't do that. they didn't do that

you gotta be a different breed like that you know what I'm saying they don't do that but I did it it was one they made I tried to talk to him about God and stuff I say hey man

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who available at this famous. PH71529, PH7159. Ph.1.4659. Smoking a page of a Bible. You see, God is inside me every day, bro. I'm like, you're going to hell, boy. And we just start laughing, you know what I mean? Were there female CEOs working in the shoe?

They have female CEOs, but my team, we didn't want them, like Nelson, Martin, Richburg. Patterson, Wilson, Rudder, you know, we did not want them with us because it was a problem. You know, even Richford, that's my other problem. It's a problem because when they see them, they haven't seen a female in a long time. They ain't been. So when they, you know what's going to happen, they're going to get on the gate and start beating. Yeah, they called sniping, gunning.

Sniping, we call it Beacon. They beat off. Like that record, how we beat off, how we beat off. That's how they are doing. Or they'd be like, I got it. Did you get that? What? They just busts on the field.

How do you respond to these inmates that do that? Now, I didn't allow it. And that's why we always, when it's female SEALs came down, we're always like, no, don't worry, we got it. Because we already know what it's going to cause. It's going to cause habit. So we sent them out, telecaptons. We got it.

Don't worry about it. You know? But when it did happen, it was a female that I know. I was close to her brother, you know, once again, God bless her heart, Ms. Johnson. And at the time, I had the adult being, that's when they brought the H-CN. him to C-74, you know, and it was this guy. She was, he was popping so much shit on the COs, the females. She went down there to take account.

And she said, oh, you're just going to beat off right there, and you see me here, and you ain't going to stop? Obviously, he didn't stop. She said, Ebron, you got this disrespectful image. made over here, beating off right in front of me. I said, don't worry, I'm going to take care of it. I said, you come off the tear. So she came off the tear.

Like I said, it's not, of course, he was a friend of someone I knew or somebody's sister. It's just, you don't do that shit. You don't do that shit. When I'm working, so I went down there, I'm like, yo, what's you doing? That was a new dude, you know. He said, oh, you must then read my floor. This is what I do. Yo, you ain't going to do that down here, man.

You understand? Man, fuck you, C.O. Fuck me? Now, everybody here. This is my housing area. When you talk to everybody in the cell, tell you, you're going to say, fuck me? All right.

Yo, Rich Bird, crack dirty cell. And so I'm wearing there? I said, now, you want to say that again? You don't see your own man, you know how it is, man. I know how it is. Man, fuck it, man. I did it. What you want, once he throw his hands up, you're getting it.

Because once you throw your hands up, you are a threat to me. I did the 52 pickup on that boy. When I finished with him, he didn't know what happened. What do you do? What's a 52 pickup? If I tell you, I got a kid. You know what I said? I did the 52 pickup order

Walked out the cell I said, close dirty cell No, no, don't close my cell Don't close my cell Let me out, let me out I say, yo, let him out of cell, man, let him out cell. He came out of his cell He's looking like

Edward Scissor hanged him got to that nigger because I tell you I wear my wings Boop, boop, bye he looks like Edward Scissor hands on that night Right He'll, oh, I want to go to the clinic I want to go to the clinic Oh wait, you was a gangster

Now you want to go to the clinic You know, call a captain, call a debt Now in the hotel They're flipping You ain't going No clinic Snitches get snitches, boy. You come from ACM?

Now you're calling for a captain. You want to go to the clinic? But you want to be gangster? First you was beating off? What? So the captain come down. So even when what's up? The same thing that captain's had to tighten somebody up for being disrespectful.

He wanted to see you. So he comes down. He's looking like Edward Cisor-Hanner. Don't ask me where he got the back. Band-a-Band-a-la, it looks like a goddamn checkerball set on his face. You know what I'm saying? Yo, you're kidding. Look what he did you mean.

I want to go to clinic, Captain said, boy, you ain't going to go on no damn planet. I heard what you did. Go in there and wash your face, lick your wounds. He was like, all right, man. Yo, E-man, you know, that's broke up. It's woke up. Yo, you disrespect you, son. Don't come down here.

We don't play that down here. So he wind up going to a cell. And I had no more problems with that, too. I had no problem, no more problems with that, do? None. So do the captains, the higher-ups, do they turn the blind eye to stuff like this when they know the inmate acted out of pocket? It depends who the captain is.

You know, he was a known troublemaker. You know, he was a known troublemaker all the way. You know, hey. If you want an infraction, I give you infraction. But you still going to be, you want to stay with me more? You want to stay longer? Nah. Get me the fuck out of here.

All right, but you're good. So would that ever happen to an innocent inmate, someone that wasn't causing trouble where the CEO's just, you know, go in on them, beat the crap out of them? Like in the movies, kind of. You know, listen, things happen, you know. I've seen shit. It happens, you know. It's not proud to say it, boy, it happens, man.

You know, it's not a good thing. You know, but when I was there, shit gonna be right. You know, I saved a lot of lives, man. Like I tell you, you know, I had one time my been go out to the yard. 20 of them go out. 19 come back. Yo, whiz, what's his name at? Well, he brought him, what's the name got him in the basement?

He pulled him off the line. Now, remember I told you about that captain with Luce. he pulled him off the line. He pulled him off the line. I'm gone. Shooting the basement. But, Ian, when I went in the basement, I slammed the door because I'm rushing now.

But sometime when you slam my door too hard, what happens? It pops back open. But not knowing that's what happened. I slammed the door, it popped back open. Now, I run up on the captain. he's with these two other officers that I don't know and they're trying to handcuff him and bring him down

so I'm like your cap why he did tell me you back up you get out of here go back to your post what no that's my inmate what do tell me no you get out of here we got this remember what I told you baby on his arm hanging

I ain't going no fucking way Listen Let them go Then all of a sudden I hear a louder voice You better let them go And I turn around You know even

Remember I told you that door Pop back open All the inmates was right behind me All 19 of them They said you better let them go Captain looked at me He let him go He said

That's all right After I'm coming I'm making my tour And I'm gonna come see you I said Well you come on You know where he's at Come on

Captain never came back Ian I call it Depp Depp Andrews Told him what happened Depp Andrews said don't worry He'd be going

I'm going to take care Whatever he did He took kid I never saw that captain again Wow I never saw them again. Now, some of the higher-up guards that have been there have a lot of pull and power

over some of these newcomers that become captains or lieutenants or whatever. Right, right. There's a lot of power in that, right? Yeah, it's a lot of power in that, you know what I'm saying? And you got to give respect where respect is due. But don't let them play you. You know what I'm saying?

Don't let them play you. I mean, I learned from the best just by watching people like Officer Ball, you know. You know, he was a big part of my learning experience. You got Robocop and Thatcher and Dalwish, you know, is people, you know, Frank, you know, I can't name him more because I'll be here all day, you know, vickers and it's people that I admire and I watch. And I took a piece of them and I took a piece of him.

I took a piece of him. You know, my man Pickering, you know, Rodriguez and Gonzalez. I'm taking pieces from every officer. And I'm putting them in me and that's how I built my ass up. Like, now I'm motherfucking Voltron. What were some principles you had as an officer that you followed throughout your whole career that you would never go back on? Like I told you.

Whether you're an officer, an inmate, I want you to go home. The same way you came in. You know what I'm saying? And in racquet selling, that is hard. Because like I told you, they were slicing and dicing like a mall. And one thing I did not stand for is cutting. I didn't want nobody get cut, man. Because I'm from here to here, all around there, down your back, your neck.

I don't see it at all. That's why this is not going to be my only episode with you. because I got the lot to give. You know what I'm saying? You have to come like once a quarter or something. You know what I'm going to tell you, man, you know, I don't even know where to begin for you. You know, the littlest thing that we take for granted,

like chicken. Chicken is like filet mignon in jail back in the 80s. I think it still is in prison. It's still like a filetian. It's like for Les Mignon, man. You see something? I had inmates almost get murdered over a small box of frosted flakes. You had to be somebody to get a box of frosted flakes.

Show it to that camera right there. You had to be somebody to get a box of forcet flakes. You understand me? You had to be somebody. A regular person? they're not getting a frosted flake. They eat in, like, that shredded wheat. They ain't getting shredded wheat or something.

The frosted shredded wheat tired, bad. No. I ain't told my fourths. I know, but you got the right. I'm talking about the more that dry. You be like, you got some milk? You got some milk? Nah.

This right here, back in the 80s, everybody know what I'm talking about. You get murdered over a little box of frost. this little box. I've done seen people get cut from here to ear for this. Straight up. So tell the story about the Frosted Flakes incident. I like the Frosted Flakes.

I come in one morning and all the inmates are saying, I'm hungry. I mean, what do you mean you're hungry? Now, I come in at 7. They had breakfast around 5 o'clock in the morning. So by then, they were eight. But I come in and at seven and my whole thing is like, yo, we hungry.

Yo, we ain't eat. What you mean you ain't eat? Well, what you had? They gave us some butter, some bread and some jelly. That's all? Oh, no, they gave us some Kool-Aid. Nah, you're supposed to have more than that. You got milked?

No cereal or nothing? Someone don't want to say nothing. Do you hear your? Yeah, they have serious, but we ain't get none. What do you mean you ain't getting them? We ain't get none. Only certain one who's got some. So when you hear that, now I know what they had.

They had the old reliable forced their flight. Yeah, you're going to hit that. Sorry about that. Oh, you're good. Look, an inmate. An inmate's calling you right now. An inmate calling me. You want to add?

Why don't you answer? Say hello. All right. Take the call. Say you're on locked in. Hello, Brandon. Yo, what's up, bro? I'm on lock. Listen, I'm on TV right now, and you are on locked in with Aaron Bick.

Say hello. All right. You know, you happen to call and they video with me. And he said, go ahead. Pick up. I say, all right. And so you are on live TV. You're going to be, you'll be seeing and hearing this in about a week of

to her whenever they hear it. Okay, okay. Okay. I got to put public consumption. He wanted to ask you, what you want to ask him something, what was different about me or something? Ask him what you want him to hear you. All right, Aaron.

I mean, what was different about me that you could let the people know? I don't know. I don't, oppressing somebody. Form of empathy for the brothers. I guess he didn't know, though, that you had to do the, Edward Cissor's hand, the old one, too. I told him about the guy. Tutt's sister was working with me

one day, and one of the doubts from H-T.M, he was a beating off. Yeah, I ain't want to mention those days. That's not. Not, not, but, you know, he was beating off, and when you do something like that, if you violate, what you get? Well, that's right.

You don't try to rate no shit. So I, you know, I know what it's worth. That's right. And I told him, I did the Edward Cissor hand on. You wouldn't believe it. Yo, this is another inmate calling me. All right, let's get back in the interview. Okay, let me go.

That's awesome. You have those relationships because that shows who you are as a prison guard and a man. Yeah, just because I retired don't mean I lose contact. I try to get these guys' jobs. That's good, man. You know, I try to get you guys' jobs, you know. A guy, a job working in McDonald's. And I sat there with them and I said, listen, they're the eating.

I don't want to wait no damn McDonald's. I said, listen, when you go home, don't get a job in McDonald's in your neighborhood. Go somewhere else and get a job where people don't know you. Change the scenery. Yeah. I said the reason why I'm telling you it is McDonald's back then in the 80s, it had a turnover like this, turnaround.

Because everybody had that same mentality, oh, I don't want to work at McDonald's. But in four weeks, you're moving up. you know you get promotions you'll be a manager within a year yeah

and I was driving down Atlanta Caval do one day pulling the drive-thew Calvin Big Mac six pieces and some fries E. Braun is that you I wanted to cry

somebody listened to me Ebron look I'm a manager what you say work That's awesome You know what I mean? So it wasn't in vain You know It wasn't in vain

Now you got to tell us the rest of the Frosted Flake story Before we got to interrupt About the guy that I was going to get cut Or something over the Frosted Flakes Yeah over Frosted Now this is about everybody You know the notorious Born Son

I mean he up to you on YouTube Born Sun took over Brownsville Born Sun did this He was a terror in his day But now he's a changed man You know, thank God he's a changed man now And but back then Born son

I'm thinking of a picture of you with this And born son you remember this Born son was the frosted flake thief I had born son working for me in the Bing That morning like I said they didn't eat So I said who was working? And they said, Born son.

Once they said his name, I was like, I said, okay, I'll be right back. I told him officer. I said, listen, what house born son then?

They told me a house. I go to Born Son area where he had. I'm banging on the door. The officer let me in. I say, yo, we're born son at, man. We're in selling at. They said,

Evon, what's wrong? What's wrong? Don't worry, I got it. Where he at? I go there, born son on his bed big bowl of frosting flake

milk dripping down the side of his face what's up he what's up he what's going on yo born son man you bugging what up he

you did the feed in and you didn't give him a frosted flake yo he what they snitch they snitch nah son but they you Where the frost and flakes at, born? Where that?

Oh, man, them need to give them snitch on me. You're open itself. Open itself, look under the bed. The whole box of frost and flakes. He got the whole cakes under his bed. He's not fed them guys jelly butterbread. Kool-Aid, but they did not get no frosties. He said he's born

They don't rock no Fawke Fleeks I'm like Oh come on man Give me the box man Come on You know So

We caught up P born son On the burn Took his job For about Two weeks See the learning his lesson Because it was hard

To get somebody To work in the Bing Anybody can't work The Bing They will cut him I'm telling you Yo Your son

bring me a razor. If you don't bring me a razor, I'm going to split your wig, nigger. Don't come in here tomorrow without no razor. I'm telling you. That you know, they're bringing him a razor. And if he don't bring him a razor, he's going to get cut.

And that'll mean he's going to get cut by him. The word is down to tear. Yo, he didn't bring what we asked him. And they'll tear their ass up. They'll tear their ass up. You know what I'm saying? So it was one day I couldn't get nobody

that worked for me. I'm like, what I'm going to do now? Who comes through the jail? Big Roe. Big Roe is a booty bandit. Big Roe knocked niggins out with his dead on. Big Roe

with his pants all the way to his stomach. And he walked through the hall like this. And he walked through the hall. And I see inmates in the huddle one day. I said, what these guys are in the hudu? We don't do this in jail.

It was by the gym. So I go over there. I'm like, yo, yo, what's going on? So I walk between them and look, Big Roar on his knees like this. And he turned around and looked at me. He said, yo, hey. I said, Big Role, what you're doing? He said, you know, I'm schooling the little homies, you know.

I'm schooling in little homies. I said, man, you'll get up and get out of here, y'all. And I was like, okay, you know, so I look at Roe and Roe say, Yo, what's my, Papa? What's up? I said, came in my, like a light light up in your head? Bing! Yo, you big row.

You need a job? Yo, you want to give me a job? You need a job? Yeah, I give you a job. He's nobody want to give me a job. You got a job. Come with me. I bring Big Roe down in the Bing with me, right?

He comes down on in the Bing. I said, now, Roe, you know how this goes. You know, you bring them the trades, you know, when the food come and stuff. You say, I got this, right? Now, he got a repetition all over Browns are all over Brooklyn. Manhattan everywhere. Big Runners know he's a notorious booty abandoned. And this is an inmate or a guard?

This is an inmate. An inmate that you are. allowed to just have him work with you and help you? Huh? He was allowed to just help you? Yeah, listen, I'm the being officer. Nobody can't work down there. We need

somebody. Okay, so you get the booty bandit to help you. I got the booty bandit. So what happens next? So now, Big Roe comes down there. And he's sitting at the table by the bubble. The captain comes in.

Captain come in. And he, hey, what up? Hey, how you doing? He walked by and he looked down. And he'd see Big Row, and he kept walking. Then he stopped. Matter of fact, the captain was Captain Kelly, big black captain, my man. He turned around and looked.

He didn't finish walking down the tear. He came back to me, he said, he's going to come in for me? I said, yo, cat, what's up, man? He said, you know who that is? I said, yeah, that's Big Row. He said, yo, that's the booty bandit. I said, I know I got him. He said, he's wrong.

You better be careful. You don't let him run up on the morning. The kid, there be boys up down here and get up in him. I said, don't worry, but I got this. I said, Ro, go ahead and give out the food. I'm watching them. Go down there with the wagon. On your gate!

When they see his row, the first inmates say, You! Everybody play your gate! They get on the gate. They said, oh hell fucking no. Roe said, who's on the Kool-A? Get on the gate. Everybody got on the gate.

And when they saw it was Roe, when he gave him the Kulei, they got the little green cup, the hair came out like this. The Kool-lays spilling all over the fucking head. Right? They're spilling out of these Kool-Lay. Right?

They say, yo, he's born out of these big road, man. Yo. All right, now they got their food. Now, he's going to kick up. Okay. All right. Who want to take a shower? Ain't nobody coming out.

No, that's all right. We don't want no shower. No way to come up with a motherfucker. They don't want the booty band. They're coming out for no shower. But y'all was bad. Y'all was cutting, slicing and dicing, you know, dweeting everybody.

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We're going down here with me. They don't want to come out for no shower. So it was normal to have an inmate working with the prison guard? Oh, yeah. You got a house game. You got suicides. Okay. Born's son was a suicide aide, but he worked, you know, a different tour than mine.

But I had Roe, you know. And even when Roe went back to regular apartheid's, I had to walk him back to his house because he was that notorious. When the inmates see him walk, people go the other way. And that's some real talk. They was going the other way.

You know what I'm saying? Like I tell you, he walked through the hall like this, his belt all the way to his stomach, like he was from Beverly Hillbillies. So he looked different, you know. Big do, he looked different. But he walked with a slimp, their arm pulled him in dead. They said he knocked out a horse with that own.

You know what I'm saying? And that's how he was knocking everybody out with that dead on. I mean, when I went to his housing area to get him, the officer looked at Mr. Eblon, thank you for taking him. Because he was in the day room. Now, you know what day room. He was in the day room with a TV all by himself. And these are Adelts.

instead of them being a day room with them they was in the corridor where they not supposed to be hanging out nobody went in that day room with him nobody so they was relieved when I went down there to get him what shocked me was when I went down to get him I said well come on with me

because he was writing the letter he wasn't even scared of nothing because you're not never supposed to turn your back in jail you're always supposed to keep your eyes open everywhere always be aware be a wig because shit pop off just like that.

But Roe, he was like this. Writing a letter. I said, yo, Roe. He like this. Hey, E. I said, yo, you all right? He said, I'm just righting my grandmother. I said, all right, well, you go ahead and make your

grandmother and I come back for you. No, no, no, I want to go with you, E. All right, come on. So he'd get up. All the inmates like I. I told you it's in the corridor. Grown men. Now, I know he had a lesson.

They're grown men. He walked to one of the men and said, stand by myself until I get back. And don't let nobody touch nothing. Dude said, all right. When I walked him out that gate, I seen everybody going in the day when I look at TV. Tell me that ain't something, man.

Yeah. Officer told me when I brought him back later that afternoon, that inmate that he told to stand by himself was still there when I got back. And there's guys that gain that much respect and power in prison, you know? Yeah. They know how to do it. Yeah.

Now, Leroy, you got to give us an honest perspective on this. How do correctional officers really treat sex offenders, rapists, pedophiles, tromas? What is that relationship? How are they actually treated? They don't like them, man. They don't like them, you know. Are they doing stuff that's illegal, though, to these individuals? Well, like I said, around me, no, but I, it could happen.

Because once you hear he's a rapist or a pedifier or whatever, his career, his jail time, ain't going to be nice. But do you think, though, as a society, that they should be protected in prison? They got to be, or they're going to get done. They have to be, no matter how heinous their crime is, they need to be protected. Yeah, because you don't. They can wind up dead if you don't. Yeah. I'm telling you, you know, I know they say, I'll lay it for them, just don't them to the wolves.

If you do them to the wolves, they're going to get eaten. I mean, look what happened to Dahmer. I was watching that Netflix documentary about Dahmer. The COs let that happen. See what I'm saying? Was that the right thing for the COs to do, though, or no? No, no, because everything could always come back and bite you in your hands. Yeah.

You know, like the Central Park 5, I was there for that. I had them. Oh, you had the Central? Wow. I saw that documentary, too. And, you know, it hurted me because they looked at me, and they said, Eblon, we didn't do it. And I looked at them, and they looked at, you know, you can't go by looks, but I felt it.

They said, we didn't do it, man. And then, look, 25 years later, look, a zone of it, they didn't do it. Do you stay in touch with them to this day? No, you know, I wish they hope they see this. And I, you know, and I know they got railroaded because at the time, they didn't have no good lawyers, you know. I don't know the financial situation, but they told me they didn't have no money to really fight this case. You know what I'm saying? So my heart go out to them then.

but when I can't remember his name the one that was a zonnerated in court they showed him on news and he started crying to the judge I asked to you to shut a tear because I felt like I was with him he told me he didn't do it

but I couldn't do nothing I couldn't help him and look how many years he was in jail so I just shed a tear with him when he started crying And I couldn't, you know, I felt that. Because they told me from the beginning that they didn't do it. Wow.

You know? You know, so it's crazy, man, you know. It's crazy, man. That's why when I tell you these things, I go back to this, you know, exact day and time. It happened. You know what I mean? you know, because Ian, I would have did over 22 years,

but I was railroaded. Well, they tried to railroad me, and I made him look stupid. What happened, the inmate was hanging up. Me and this inmate majesty, reason why I could say his name, because I'm still talking to him and following today, he got over 25 years in jail now.

Okay? I heard he just went to Odersville right now. He was in Sing Sing. so he in Otisville were a couple of my other boys. That's a fat joint. Yeah. Okay.

And they tried to say me and him try to kill an inmate. In reality, the inmate was hanging up. E-point, we got to hang up. Fire cell! Go down. Oh, God, this is still hanging up.

I go in there. He's hanging so tight that I can't cut him down because they gave us these bullshit. shit 9-11s. The knife that curl like that. Ain't worth for but enough shit. I can't cut them down.

I'm trying. But look, I'm off balance. I got one foot on the window, another foot on the top of the sink. And I'm holding him with my left hand. So I'm calling for help. Majesty, with my suicide aid, he comes to help me.

We go in there. I never forget the inmate name. Bishopie Hopkins. Love you, wherever you were at, I hope you're all right. Cut him down. This step tried to say that we

tried to kill him in that cell. He went so far as I had to go down the oath. He was pushing it. Ebro and the man that did he try to kill us inmate. So, all right, you doing that? I'm going to do my homework. I went and got papers notarized from every inmate in that area

got it notarized stamp I went to the clinic because when the dude was in the clinic he told the doctor Doc, he was going to save my life he told the doctor that the doctor came and told me that I said doc could you put that on paper

he put it on paper I said okay now they want me go down the oath because this debt trying to set me up we go down the off table 20 people at table I'm looking at them

I'm all suited up got the union man there C. Brook, the president and the first thing they said to me is you want to sign guilty now? Because we got you. You got who? We got you.

So you might as well sign on the dotted line so I'm not signing nothing I said I got something for y'all I had my folder like that don't ask me how I had the right of mine had 20 folders in my hand I ain't know how many people are gonna be in there they're sitting at the desk and I take my folder

like I'm a CEO right in front of them they're like what they get me to open it now don't open it they look at me like yeah don't open it I'll tell you when I open it and I pass it around me and why the president Seabrook and everybody looking like

in all all so I said all you said you got me that the right show me what you got they said we got you on video now I've been hearing about this video

shit for a minute I said now if they got me on video I'm good in while I'm in the oath just like what just happened with me and you my phone rang

they look Looking at me, I hope you're not to pull the pick it up because you're, oh, fuck it. Hello? It was the deputy of security, Depp Angels. Ebron, they're trying to set you up. What? Yeah, they're trying to set you up. When they show the film, the film don't have hours, minutes, and seconds on it.

That's how you're going to beat them. check the film. And I'm in the Oaf right now. And they're looking at me like you looking at me. And I'm like in, oh, I'm like, oh shit, I ain't even, you know, think of that. I said, okay, thank you. And now I'm feeling like, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Another notch. So I'm like, they want to talk. No, I don't want to talk. Show me that video you got on me. Show me the video. They say, okay, he's so persistent. All right, you want a sign line? All right.

Show the video. Ian, they show the video. No hours, no minutes, no seconds. And they look at it like, damn, I said, listen, this tape is document. They said, what do you mean talking? I said, I work in a Bing. With the hour, minutes and seconds on this tape? you should have saw their face when they look to each other

and it was like and all of a sudden they start closing the flat okay this case is dismissed I'm like what y'all was ready to never meet to the cross take my job no I want some vindication you know what I'm saying

yeah I try to get a lawyer and all they were saying was don't worry you're gonna beat it you're nobody Now, I hate to say this, y'all. But I think if I was a different color, honestly, a lawyer would say, come on, I got you. So what, they pushed you into an early retirement? No.

After I beat that, the President Seabrook started clapping his hand. That's my man. That's my man. That's my man in the old place. That's my man. But on the way out, he said, E. He said, you made them looks through. He said, you got more than that.

enough your time. You pulled the Vizalya and 20? You had 22. Get the fuck out of there. Get the fuck out of his seat. Take your buddy before they try to take your punch. That's what he said. Just that.

Smart bad. She said it and that's what I did, man. What do you think is the biggest thing that needs to get fixed in the criminal justice system? From someone that lived the horrors of it, went to the, you know, the end of the earth and saw, you know, the reality of how scary it can being dangerous. What do you think?

Let the people, let the people know that's in the training academy what it really is. Don't sugar, don't sugar cold shit. Because the stuff they're telling you in the academy is bullshit. They should show a video like this. It's bullshit. Because when I walked in the jail the first time, you know what I smell of you? And not even where I smell. Going over that Rockets Island bridge is scary by itself.

that's a long motherfucking bridge what happens if that bridge claps how are you gonna get back home you damn thing shit like that but when I walked in that jail for the first time

you know what I smelled I smell I smell butt ass butt ass it was so bad I mean the funk hit you like boom I couldn't breathe

I was like, oh shit and every day I come in that butt ass hit you bam and now you're talking to another officer now all you got the butt-ass breath how you're doing

how you doing you don't smell that shit and I asked one of the old time of the vets yo what's up with that smell he said don't worry new jack you get used to it it took me about

no bullshit, about six months before me to get used to that butt ass, son I mean, yo, I used to feel like I'm playing double dutch before I walk in the jail. And then I hold my breath and I walk in that motherfucker and I hold my breath.

I'm like, oh God. I don't know how I made it do that. The smell was so bad, man. yo, I was that the receiver room is worse. Because the receiver room, that's what you script them. Now you go from butt ass to just ass. Ass.

Oh, you're smelling the ass. Straight up. The shit, I tell you, you can't make this shit up. We're right. I love you, bad. No, no, listen, I'm just keeping it real. they started me off OJT in the

woman's house I went to the woman's house you know what you smell in the woman house Badoosi I call it Badoosie It's butt and booty

Boudousi that's what you smell that's keeping it real that's what you smell and I feel like working in the woman's house was working in where I was working at.

For me, because when I went in there, they was like, oh, he's a pretty motherfucker. I'm not used to girls coming on to you like that, you know what I'm saying? They so, you know, a lot of guys, hey, cutie, they're doing that shit to me. Hey, cutie. Oh, I'm going to get him, girl.

And I'm like, I got the sky blue shirt on. I'm a new jack. You looking good. Yeah, you know. And they're like, fresh me. They're calling me fresh meat. Wow, I've never heard that from a woman's point of view. Fresh meat.

And I'm like, God, damn. You know, now they want to put me in a mess hole, and they got me on the line. They say, listen, you let eight of them at a time go to the window and get their tray. So I said, okay. But meanwhile, it's nothing but females. No males, nothing but females in. and you hear Oh, do you see that pretty motherfucker?

I mean, it's like you hear whispers in your ear and shit and you can't shake it. I'm a kid him, girl. I'm a kid him. Oh, God, I hope you come to this jail. Meanwhile, I'd say, okay, any of y'all go up.

I'm trying to act professional and I'm scared to death. I'm in jail. I don't even fuck as a female. Some of these females look like men. You know, you know what I'm saying? For him. Some of female

bigger than me and shit, you know. I'm like, God, damn, you know. And they're talking all rough and they're cursing at each other, you know. They're going to each other, but I'm just trying to stay focused. And I'm like, y'all ain't going to line. All of a sudden, I feel like,

you feel like 20 hands is on my ass. I'm like, oh. And I turn the way of them. Now I'm saying, yo, stop that. You're not supposed to be doing that. And I look, decide, I see the captains over there laughing. They set them up to do it? They did laughing.

Yeah, they're laughing. Right? So now I'm like, yo, what the fuck? So I'm freaking, you, the captain's going to tell them to stop. So I ain't worried about it. So I turn around again. Next eight go. Once again, Ian, feel like 20 hands on my ass.

You, yo, y'all got to cut that out, man. And I'm looking at the captains because I'm looking for help. You know, and they're over there crying. They hit each other laughing like, girl. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to turn sideways. I'm not going to turn my back to them. Turn sideways. Now they can't do nothing.

So then after I got comfortable, I turned back. I like, they didn't know what time they're going to busts with me no more. Ian, I felt somebody breathing on my neck. Ian, I said, I know nobody breathing on my neck. I turned around, Ian, it's the prettiest Puerto Rican girl

with green eyes you ever saw. I'm stuck. I'm like, and all you hear, the girl said, oh, you got them, girl. You got them. You got them. And that's when the captain and them come, come on.

We got to take you out of here. And they took your ear. I went home with a headache that day. I went home with a headache that day. And I was like, God, I prayed, please don't send me back there. Please don't send me back. But what they did was they took me out of there and they put me in their dorm area to show me how they live in. You got a good experience.

Yo, English, no. This is crazy, man. You go in the housing area where they are. it's worse than the men. When I told you butt-ass, this is Badoosie, this is worse than the Badoci. I can't even make up a name for this because they got their bloody pads hanging up on lines.

That's going to be a whole other episode, Leroy. Leroy, thank you so much for coming on the show today, Ben. I really appreciate this conversation. You're definitely a new friend of the show. Yeah, yeah. We're going to have to have you multiple times. That's right. Give your takes.

I told you. I said you on fire. Yeah. Absolutely, man. But safe travels back. Thank you. I know it took you guys a while to get here. I appreciate you guys coming out.

And I'll see you soon for when he does our show. Definitely, definitely. Yeah. And you got to come back. Oh, definitely. Yeah, you've got to come with him when he does his. So then maybe we'll do a part two to years when you're here. No problem.

Definitely. Yeah. You want to say any shoutouts to anyone? Shoutouts to all the five barrel. y'all know who you are I love all of y'all shout out just to my mom's mom I love you

like I said I'm so glad I was he gave me the opportunity to do this so you see this is nothing negative this is something positive that we're doing so hopefully

we can reach out to somebody for them not to go to prison because jail is not the place to be at all at all okay Absolutely. Well said. Yeah, take care.