Locked In with Ian Bick - Robbery Inmate Busted in Prison: How a Bold Contraband Smuggling Scheme Backfired | Donald Pinel

Episode Date: August 22, 2024

An inmate already serving time for first-degree robbery made a daring move that cost him dearly. Watch as we dive into the shocking story of how his attempt to smuggle contraband behind bars led to a whole new arrest and added years to his sentence. This is a cautionary tale of how one bad decision in prison can change everything! Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Donald Pinel: Tiktok: @don.p6 YT:  @Donaldpinel  IG: Donald Pinel Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Growing Up in New Jersey 00:04:07 - A Late-Night Encounter with the State Trooper 00:07:54 - Troubles with the law at a young age 00:11:35 - Balancing Restriction and Exposure 00:15:32 - An Unfortunate Fight at School 00:19:17 - A Joyride in Dad's Corvette 00:23:28 - Reflection and Change 00:27:28 - Life in Prison: My Experience in Reception Center and Boarding Town 00:31:13 - Selling Weed in Prison 00:35:07 - Failed Escape Attempt 00:38:54 - From Lockup to Trenton 00:42:32 - Dealing with the aftermath of a bad year 00:46:35 - Rebuilding Relationships after Prison 00:50:17 - Building for the Future 00:54:16 - Frustrations with Airbnb and halfway houses 00:58:12 - The Reality of Prison Life 01:02:04 - Freedom from Prison Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I grew up in Jersey, born in Somerville, New Jersey, pretty much all over that county. Throughout my life, all the surrounding town, Somerville, Bridgewater Hillsboro. What's the area like there growing up? So the area is nice. I grew up basically two experience in both sides because I grew up going back and forth between my mother and my father. both middle class my dad a little more well off than my mom you know what i mean so at first i grew up living with my mom uh and my older brother so good i loved it there that's where you know i mean i was i felt like it was home uh good relationship with my mom good relationship with my brother

but my brother was exposed he's five years old and then to me so he was you know a little ahead of me involved in some stuff growing up. So I was exposed to things at a very young age. Even on my dad's side. My dad, you know, it was a little more well-lawful. But back then when I grew up, even marijuana, like it wasn't as acceptable as it as now. It was a crime. It was a felony.

You know what I mean? So it was something that was hidden, but everybody in my family smoked. So like just growing up, I was exposed to it. At my mom's house, it was a little more. open at my dad's house. My dad smoked my stepmom. So it was a little more like hidden. Not everybody knew, but wasn't talked about.

And I think the first time I ever smoked weed, I was probably nine years old. You know what I mean? Yeah, so I was young. And it was kind of like the older kid, oh, let's get the little kid. You know what I mean? Kind of like that. And they didn't know any better. You know what I mean?

A couple years younger than me exposed to stuff going through it. So I did. I was exposed to a lot of stuff as a young age. But I had a good family. Like my mom was there. She, you know, she might have not had everything, but, you know, we never always had a meal or she was always there for us. My mom was the greatest person, the greatest mom ever, you know what I mean?

Probably an abler too, but you know what I mean? That's just because she loves it shit out of me. I feel like all parents are enablers in some way, you know, whether it's like fast food or something. It doesn't have to be extreme. Yeah. So on my dad, he was a little stricter. He was on the stricter side of the disciplinary.

But he was always there, but in like an authoritative way. So as a young kid who could basically do what I want over here and then come there and deal with certain stuff, I was like rebellious. And I was a bad kid. I really, I was like I got, it was like preschool, not even first grade. I got, I stole this kid's toy. Right. And they were looking for it and they searched my stuff and they found a knife in my pocket that I stole it from my brother. So it was like, you know what I mean?

Yeah, it was a bad kid, man. I got a lot of trouble. And I was kind of like, I don't want to say raised to be a bad kid. But when you're exposed to that and it's okay and like on my dad's side, I used to have my step-sister like, oh, go in this room all he's sleep and grab me $20 off his thing. I'm a kid, you know what I mean? So I would, but that's all stuff that I'm taking in that I don't realize at that age that I can look back. And I don't fault nobody. I'm a grown man who has made my own decisions. Everybody, you know, has their own faults, flaws, good traits, whatever.

So I don't, I'm not trying to put anybody down. But, yeah, I was just exposed to a lot of stuff. To give you an example, sixth grade was probably my, like, crazy. I got arrested three times in sixth grade. One, I took my dad's car out and went to go pick up my friend, right? And this was before cell phones and stuff, so we were going to go pick up two girls. So my boy left his cordless phone outside of the house. And I get there, I pick him up, and we drive back to where his house is because I picked him up down the street.

and he sees that his dad's light on. So now he's nervous. He doesn't want to pick up the phone because if a dad's on the phone, you know you could hear when somebody clicks in. So we're sitting there, and I remember sitting there and I said a prayer to God. I said, please let me make it home safe tonight.

So we go back to the truck, and we're sitting in it. And we were smoking some weed. My dad, roaches and the ashtray. Do you know what I mean? So we rolled them up. We're on this back road thinking, yeah, nobody's going to call it the only car, no house is on the road. If, you know, there's one house there that if they see somebody, probably would call the cops.

Like, what is this guy doing out here at 12 o'clock at night? You know what I mean? So a car turns down the street and I, like, go to, like, duck down. And I forget what I was trying to do, but I ended up high beam in him. So it rolls up as a fucking state trooper. And I'm down like this because I'm like, I'm in sixth grade, bro. As soon as he sees me, I'm fucking. you know what I mean?

So he's like, what's up? He doesn't even get out of the car because he doesn't see me yet and I'm like reaching down like no I'm good so he's like yo so as soon as he sees me

gets out of the car you know and it's over after that he's going through the car then he sees the weed he pulls me out the car and I'm so nervous that I keep calling him

yo so he's like call me yo one more time I'm not fucking yo yo so I'm like I'm like all right blah blah so we get through a little

thing. He's like, the fuck is that? He pulled something out of my pocket or whatever. And I'm like, I'm sorry, yo, sir. Yo, and he smacks the shit out of me. He smacked? Yes. A state trooper? I was in sixth grade. Bro, I shit you not. He smacks the shit out of me. His partner is over there searching my boy. He ends up putting us in the cuffing us and putting us in the back of the car. And I'm like, I'm not even worried about him who smacked. Honestly, like, I'm worried about my dad. Like, he is going to fucking kill me. You know what I mean? It's over.

So he drives to, he asked me where my boy lives. We go to his house, which was literally like right there, block and a half. So they go knock on his door, his dad comes out, you know what I mean? Police talk to his father. I'm sitting in the back of the car, like, just nervous as hell. He ended up letting him go in. So, but in my mind, like, we're charged, we're, you know what I mean? We're whatever.

I don't know. He let him go, but we're not. getting away with this, you know what I mean? So he ends up, where do you live? So I show him where I live. He's driving, he's like, you drove all this way? And I'm like, yeah, he's like, oh, so when I asked you before, was this your first time? This definitely isn't your first time.

He's like, ain't no way your young ass driving this waiting for your first time. So whatever, we get to my house. My stepmom was on vacation. This is why I did this. The police start banging on the door, banging on the door. And my dad's out. Nobody's answering. Nobody's answering.

So he's like, you sure you ain't do something to your parents before you leave? I'm like, what? I'm like, absolutely not. Like, you know what I mean? I'm just trying to go for a little joy ride. Finally, my dad comes to the door and I'm behind the two cops, so he doesn't even see me. So he's like, what the hell? He just woke up in the middle of the night.

He's like, what the hell is going on? He sees me. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? So then they proceed to tell him that he's got to go get his truck. That's about, you know, a seven-minute drive. ride, but, you know, how's he going to get there if his fucking truck is there? So what does he got to do? He's got to ride a bike. Bro, I was net. Oh, yeah, I was, yeah.

They wouldn't give him a ride? The cops? Yeah, they wouldn't do, no. No. You'd think they'd offer him a ride. No, I mean, I guess they thought they were doing us enough favor because they didn't charge us. They just bought us home. I literally told them they could cuff me to the pole and just leave me there. Please don't take me home. Why was a state trooper even on in that road?

So this is an area that is patrolled by no cops ever. Yeah. So I think somebody called them. Okay. But a state trooper would show up? Because this town is so little that there's no cops. Okay. They don't have like a, it was millstone.

So it was like, no, you know what I mean? Wow, that's great. What did your dad do to you? Yeah, it was, you know. Not pleasant. Yeah, no, no. So my dad's a great guy, but, you know, sometimes, I pushed them a little too far.

What happened to your friend? Did he get in trouble? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. He got in trouble, yeah. Probably not as bad as that. Did the cops bring him to his parents' house? Yeah, first. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

First, dropped him off first and then me home. So you were just sitting in the back. Yeah, yep. That's so wild. At sixth grade, yeah, yeah. That was your first run with the law, like officially. Like I said, my sixth grade year was a bad year. So I also got caught with weed in school.

Separate time, liquor in school, and a B&E. Breaking in that. Yeah, with the weapon. Isn't it kind of crazy how... So, like, I was a... I don't know. I was a bad kid at the time. Yeah, now weed, like, people are bringing it to school, like, it's just tobacco because it's not the same as it was.

Especially because of the vapes, the edibles, everything. They make it so easy and accessible. Yeah. Now, do you think if you didn't have an older brother at the time to kind of influence you, your life would have turned out a little bit differently? or do you think you would have been exposed to it regardless? I think I would have been exposed to it regardless because, you know, as I said,

both my parents smoked at that time. So I feel like under a different set of circumstances, if I grew up, not being exposed to that, I think my life would have been very different. I would hope it would be. But I don't fault anybody because what was, how were they brought up? You know what I mean?

It's not like they were perfect and just exposed it to me. You know, sometimes you don't know no better or you try to hide it as best you can. You know, so. Do you feel like that once you started going through the prison system, anyone ever took the time to understand

where you came from and what your childhood was like and how you were exposed to things and have this conversation with you? In the prison system? Yeah, counselors, anyone. No, absolutely not. It's like, it's work. It's paperwork.

It's okay. you answer these questions and it's check a box yes or no, and that's pretty much the truth of it. Do you think that, do you ever think about what would have happened if someone did have this type of conversation with you when you got to prison eventually? I mean, so I did like, when I was, before I even went to prison, like I did like a juvenile program, like a group home type stuff

where it's like a behavior modification. And some of those people were all right, but also I was just hard-headed young. You know what I mean? You couldn't tell me nothing. Like, I had to figure it out. You know what I was doing? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't have a fucking clue.

How do you break through to someone that's hard-headed? Like, if you were to have a kid now and he was like how you were. So you at an extremely young age and you have that balance, you can't keep him totally restricted because then he's not exposed to nothing. And you have to have talks with him. You have to have that relationship. To trust them, you have to have other support at that, somebody they can relate to who's doing positive things. So, like, growing up, I didn't have the social media and stuff like that

where there's a lot of positive stuff going on. There's a lot of stuff like this where you're hearing these stories like, well, I don't want to, wait, I know this is what's around me, but I don't, that's not what I want to, I'm here in the long haul now, You know what I mean? These people are getting years, whether they deserve it or they, you know, sometimes they get over sentence or whatever. So I think what you're doing is shedding light on that where people could tell their

story and listen to it. So I didn't have that. I think it could have made a difference. You know what I mean? But at a young age, a very young age, you got to, you know, know, know, and play the tape through of everything that's going to happen. later the consequences of it. And a lot of the times it's just speculation you don't know.

Yeah. Like you reflect back on it now when you're older. Like the story that we were just talking about before, Chris. He was young and the guy's telling him, oh, you're just a driver. You're not even part of it. You know what I mean? No, you might as well have been robbing a place. It didn't make it different.

You got 19 years. That's crazy. And they wanted to give him more time, too. Yeah. And we're talking about Chris Willard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that episode, by the time this comes out, well, I've already been out on our show.

But it's just these stories, like, that I listen to it, and I hear people tell it's just. And you're willing to take that risk? You know what I mean? Just so if you're fully aware and educated on how the system is, they're not going to sit you down and ask you how your own life was before they said, you know what I mean? Yeah, they have mitigating factors.

Yeah, if you have enough money to pay for a good lawyer, they might take the time to sit there and listen. But otherwise, you're fucked. I think they should take the time to listen to that. They should, but it's, it is, when you look at it, it's paperwork. Next, next, next, next. You go here, you go here, especially if it's like a populated city. Well, it is, you are nothing but a, you know what I mean?

A number. That's it. They assign you a number and a piece of paper. And a last name. And how much are you going to, how much can we get out of you? Time wise, money was. It's a business. It really is.

So do you go to high school after middle school? Yeah. And do you graduate high school? No, I don't. I actually got expelled for, they called it gay bashing. What did they call it? They called it gay bashing. With the RAM Declaration of Deals, we're pledging our allegiance to the American people.

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Cummage is a registered trademark of Cummins Inc. Ram and Hemmy are registered trademarks of FCAUS LLC. What's that? We, I ended up fighting this kid or doing assaulting this kid who did something to a friend of mine. He was gay. I never said nothing about him being gay. afterwards the kids that I was with who was involved ended up going taking it further and saying stuff you know what I mean and at that time it was like you know this was 2001 so you know it was

they didn't have the LGBT all that so long story short the kid him and my man was arguing I walk into the lunchroom he ends up calling my man the end word and where my man was half black and half white my nephews are half black and half white he ends up throwing a cup of pudding on him calling him to N word and my man like my man big as hell but he just stuck

like did this kid really do this to me and I just ran up and smacked the shit out of him he jumped up on the table I pulled his feet out from under him he smacked the table my man hit him once my man hit him and the teacher came the teacher got hit people other people got hit his friend got

so there was like four of my friends and two of them and the teacher so it turned into but as soon as my man hit him I spun off and tried to act like I had nothing to do with it and went and ate lunch and the cop ended up coming getting me from the table after that

yeah they arrested I went to the youth house yep okay and brought right to the youth house um no I think I actually got no I didn't go I got arrested brought to the you know charged released and then How'd your dad take that when that happened?

So this one he figured, he knew they just kind of blew it out of proportion because it was like ended up turning to this big thing. You know what I mean? Like we beat him because I didn't. I did it because he disrespected my man. You know what I mean? But my dad was all right with that one because he was like, it's a little fight and you're going to try to blow this up and charge him with this.

And, you know, so that one he wasn't bad about. Where do you think that comes from in your mind that you had to beat someone up because they disrespected your friend? Where does that come from? Like growing up, like, you know, I had two other older brothers. My older brother, he used to take karate lessons, taekwondo and stuff, you know what I mean? And he's a lot bigger than me. I'm the smallest. Both my brother's over six foot.

I'm five, eight and a half. So, you know what I mean? So I used to be the one like Oh let's try this out on them You know what I mean So I guess that toughened me up And maybe like I knew I could never beat them But I felt like fighting them

I could beat anybody else my age So I always had like a little chip on my shoulder So what grade were you when you got expelled? Freshman or softball Oh that was quick into your I think it was sophomore yeah I think it was sophomore And do you ever go back to high school? Yeah I go to alternative school

and then I end up going to the group home that I told you about, and I got my GED there. At the same time, I would have graduated. Okay, and do you end up going off to college? I end up going to, like, an electrical school at night for a little bit. End up getting locked up again, so I don't continue that. Was the electrical school something you were passionate about, something you want to get into?

So, yeah, that's what I did in Votech. That's what I did in Votech, yeah. Yeah, those types of programs are great. for individuals that, you know, are down a different path. It really was. And if I had a clearer head, that would have been the best thing for me. So that's the path that I would have chosen to do the electrical. So what goes wrong?

What derails you from that path? A fucked up attitude. Not knowing any better. Drugs. You know, I was just, yeah, I was a bad kid. Like, I could, so this was a story that I, I wanted to tell. And since you brought Votech up, it reminded me of it.

Because I did have notes and I didn't bring them. Oh, that's okay. You don't need notes. No, because sometimes I'm scattered. You know what I mean? So I try to stay. I wanted to stay on path. Oh, you're killing it, man.

You're doing great. That's my job to keep you on path. Good. And you're doing a good job too. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. My boy drives me from the high school to Votech. rather than having to take the bus

in the middle of the day because one school is in hills but other schools in Somerville or Bridgewater. So we always stop in my house since we have time because you know the bus is a lot slow where we're driving

and we will you know smoke a joint or something chill out get something to eat and go so this was Friday and we were like let's um my dad had this fully restored 65

stingray carvette and we're like yo let's take it for a spin. I was like, I'm going to take it first. And mind you, my boy's like 16, but he's got like his farmer's license or some shit. So, oh man, so I take the car out and I drove before, obviously, if I was driving in sixth grade, this was in high school, but it doesn't have power steering or nothing like that. So I'm whipping and it's an S turn and I'm coming around this S turn flying and the shit gets loose and spins and I'm like, boom, but I like get out. I didn't

hit nothing. I think I just like hit the curb. So I was like, oh, I didn't. everything's good. So we was so nervous, like he was going to go next. We were like, yo, let's just park this thing in the garage and be out. So after school, I have a job. I worked at A&P. So it was a Friday. There was a party after.

So I was going to work, then going home, going to this party. And I was the man, I was selling everything at that time, plus working. So I go to school. I go to work. My dad picks me up. I'm already, I think, what did I think? I took something, smoke, so I was already a little lit for the night. I get in the car and I'm like looking ahead and I feel him just like looking at me.

And I'm like, but I don't want to look because I don't want him like, you know, know something. So he's just burning a hole in me and it's silent. And he's like, did you take my car? And I'm like, my heart just fucking drops. And I always lie. I like, back then anyway, but I would deny it. He could catch me with it in my hand. Like, no, I wasn't doing it for you.

You know what I mean? So I'm like, yes. And he's like, he starts driving home. He starts to proceed to tell me that the neighbor comes to him. When I hit the curb, it has like a cap that, I'm sorry, it has a cap that says Carvette on it, you know what I mean, that rolled like to the neighbor's porch that I didn't see. So the neighbor kindly went and returned it to my father.

Then, as he's walking a dog, another neighbor stops him and tell him that he shouldn't be driving the car like that around the neighborhood. I was like, I ain't drive that car in two weeks. So then when we pull up into the development, he stops right before the skid marks. And he's like, this you? And I don't even say nothing. You know what I mean? Because you fucking know it is. So I go in and he's like, you're not.

fucking going anywhere and I got a car waiting for me like all I'm doing is changing and they're on the other side of the street so he doesn't know that so I'm like fuck so I go upstairs and they never he never comes and checks my own me in my room or nothing maybe in the morning you will or something but I jump out the window right I go to the party I leave my TV on windows open second story mind you so it's a little jump in the car go to the party have a good time I'm coming back 4 o'clock in the morning. I look, my TV's off and my window shut. And I'm like, fuck, bro.

You know what I mean? So I get into the one downstairs window. I go upstairs, I go, and I'm like, I'm just waiting for it. You know why my dad came to my room? He said, since I was honest with him for the first time, that he was going to tell me I could go out. Oh, man. Yeah, so that was a...

That's probably a huge... Life lesson you learned in that moment, though, looking back on it now. I guess I still proceeded to get in trouble and do dumb shit. Sometimes the lessons you don't learn right away. Yeah, but looking back in hindsight, yeah. It took me a lot, man. It took me a lot to go through. Yeah, that's what I always think about, like the what ifs, like what if you do something differently, how it would have turned out.

So that's why I always, I'm more calculated now than ever to think about things. Oh, 100%. Oh, 100%. And something, like, I used to, like, when I'd have a decision in my mind, I'd make it right away without thinking about what would happen. Now, if I'm stuck on making a decision, I'll think about other decisions I can make. Yeah, rather than be impulsive. Exactly. Trust me, I know.

Patience is the key. Patience. So I've become a very patient person. Well, actually, it's something that I'm working on because I read this thing, actually, at the place that I told you about before. it says patience isn't the ability to wait but to keep a good attitude while waiting so when you really think about that

it's like sometimes okay if I'm waiting in line I can sit there and say something you're like oh you're patient but if I'm in my head like motherfucker what is taking so long like hurry you know what I mean am I really being patient no I'm just waiting frustratedly you know what I mean so there's a difference

and I had to learn that you know So how much time do you think overall you did in prison in and out? Probably like 15 years. 15 years. But it was never one consecutive. I did like nine, a little over nine years. I was home for 54 days, violated parole and went back for the other three.

So take us through the nine year one. What do you do to get us get you into there? So it was a first degree robbery with a firearm, which they didn't find, but it didn't even matter. They still charged me. You know, even the threat of that alone, which I learned later on is enough for a first-degree armed robbery. How old were you? 23. 23.

You had been done with the school, the vocational school by then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had already finished school. I was out of school for a little while. I was working sometimes, but just selling drugs trying to get by. So I had, yeah, I was just out there doing whatever I could to get money. robbing, selling drugs. So I ended up getting caught for a robbery.

And I ended up getting sentenced to an 8 with 85, but I also had a violation of parole force, which they gave me a 3 flat for, which they ran together, but due to the time of sentencing, it's like it didn't fully run together. I ended up doing some time on one and some time on the other before it coincided, if that makes sense.

Yeah. And then I also caught another three years while I was in there. While you're in prison. Yeah, for a cell phone. You know those are very rare to get charged with? Oh, so you want to hear the story behind that one? Yeah, take us through that. So, yeah, it is rare unless you're just an asshole and you disrespect the cops and tell them, you know.

So let's set the scene. You're in prison now. You do the armed robbery. You get sentenced to prison. Walk us through the cell phone. So, well, you want me to say. start you and get to the cell phone. Yeah, start us.

Take us from the top. So when I first go down, I go down. I'm in the county in Mercer County in New Jersey, which is not where I'm from. That shit is three bunks high dorm. Just a bunch of gang members where that shit is the tier I was on, that shit was off the hook. Like I felt like I walked into a foreign land. Even the way they talk is different. Like they call everybody

Oh what's up bitch What's, yo Neff Hey hey They got a bitch fucked up Like I'm like The way that they talk is like So I'm like taking back I'm the only white dude

Um But like you got people doing tattoos over here You got somebody on the cell phone here You got somebody smoking here You got somebody getting beat up right there It was like I'm like You know what I mean? Like this is what I meant for

So I was there for six months Before I went to prison Go to the you know craft which was the reception center at the time, which is a whole experience. You know, you walk in, they strip your ass naked, you're standing there with your box. If you move wrong, they're beating the shit out of you.

You know what I mean? And this is back. Things that have changed a little bit. I've gotten a little more laid back as far as that goes. But I got emergency ship from the county because I was into a little bit of stuff. You know what I mean? And I had some bug.

And when I got to Kraft, I was, they wanted to send me to Annandale, but I still had to open robbery before I went down. Like, I'm going down on the violation of probation. So I'm still fighting the robbery case. So Bordentown was like right next to where I had to go. I already know about the van trips, so I'm not trying to drive that hour and stuff to court. And that was like a month and a half wait. So I'm like, send me to Borden town. And they're looking at me like, you sure you want to go to Bordentown?

I'm like, yeah. You know, everybody gets on here and says, like, oh, that's gladiator school. So I guess that's Jersey's gladiator school. You know what I mean? So they're like, bro, I don't know if you want to go down. And I'm like, bro, that's, you're out in three days. You know what I mean? So I'm like, yes, send me to go to boarding town.

And I don't move, crate, like I stayed in myself. One thing I didn't say, like, growing up, I did get involved in gangs. We had our little clicks all for one growing up. Everybody branched off into something else. that, whether it was blood, whatever, you know, whatever. So I held myself in a certain way, you know what I mean? So when I got down there, I didn't really have any problems. And I knew somebody when I got down there, somebody knew me.

So I ended up fucking with some people. I didn't have no problems. But I always was busting moves when I was down prison. You know, you always asked everybody what they hustle was. At first, it was always like selling bug. And with that comes, you know, people might, oh, this white boy over here, especially, you know, I'm not from Newark, I'm not from Patterson, one of the big cities.

So, you know, you have people that some people are all right, they fuck with you because you fly, and then you have other people with ulterior motives. So it's something that you always got to be aware of. And so, yeah, somebody that I didn't fuck with and wouldn't fuck with ended up dropping a slip on me, got me moved. And I had got a dirty urine for, for the bud, you know what I mean?

They hit these 10 bunks over here and mine. You know what I mean? So I went to Az Sague for 90 days, they sent me to Bayside. Bayside is like the worst place as far as cops go. It was like it's known you could look it up. They will beat this shit out of you bad. Like people getting helicopter lifted out of there on a regular basis.

So I really did not want to go there. But you don't have a choice unless you refuse and go back to SAC. I end up going down there. And one day, they call me for legal mail. They hand me the legal mail. I get it. It's not even open. So I'm like, I was thinking about popping somebody.

I'm still young at this age. It's the beginning of my bid. You know what I mean? I'm not even sentenced to my robbery. I don't know what I'm getting for that. They talking, I think the first thing was like 2015. You know what I mean? 2015.

So in my head, it's just like, fuck it. I'm young. I'm going to have to prove. with myself, you know, so I was just thinking about doing something to get out of there. But when I got that letter, I'm like, damn, I wonder if I could,

if I could, you know, get it in through the legal mail, like some bud or something to have a little hustle going, you know? So I ended up getting it through the spine of the hardcover books in the legal mail. And I'm like, all right, fuck it, I'm just kicked back now. So I was there for

months doing this, like, you know, once, twice a week. and I didn't tell anybody because of what happened to me down boarding town so I'm not the only person who knows is my bunky who's a poppy who doesn't even he might take two pools here and there but I would always smoke after 9 o'clock count

just as you know smoke a little stick so one day my neighbor comes to me and he's like yo wish up bro you got something and I'm like I'm like nah wow he's like you don't be smelling that I'm like oh you're talking about at night sometimes, right? I'm like, yeah, bro, who got it?

So he's like, it must be them dudes upstairs. He's like, I'm gonna holl at my boy. I'm like, yeah, let me know if you hear something, you know what I mean? So, you know, time goes by, time goes by. And this is like, I'm smoking like every night, you know what I mean? So he's like, yo, yeah, you ain't here nothing? I'm like, nah, bro.

So like another week go by. And the dude fly, but I just, I'm not messing with nobody. And one day he's like, yo, de I can holl at you. I'm like, yeah, what's up? He come in my room and he pull out, you can still smoke at this time. He pull out a couple packs of cigarettes, like a book of stamps and some other stuff

and he threw it on my bed. And he's like, bro, please let me buy some. And he's like, please. I'm like, I'm like, I forget his name, but I'm, I forget, but I'm like, give me a minute. Because at this point, this shit been going on for months. You know what I mean? Like, he knows what it is.

So I end up selling something. And no fault of him But I end up getting Like a couple weeks later I call my people And they're like Yo such and such stop buying You know drop something more

Like ah you know what to do And they're like yeah but I'm like I'm like I have but nothing You know what to do You know what to do Because I'm not trying to talk on the phone They was trying to tell me that it was some sour which is super loud

So the cops end up smelling the shit They're like But it has Amazon on it You know what I mean So they end up locking me up but they thinking oh this guy

they're walking me across the compound this guy's getting weed straight from Amazon.com shit you know what I mean so yeah it was it was I went to ASSEG

they gave me a year for that I had another one in rotation so when I get to as SEG one comes through the next one SID Special Division

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Yeah, so I'm in boarding town at Segg at this point. And then I have too much time. They ship a bunch of us out to Northern As Seg. While I'm in Northern As Seg, there's a dude, he fly. He ain't with the police. He's a little loud, whatever. The cop wants to, he wants the bus to move and give him the phones. But the cop don't trust his bunk.

He end up moving the dude, end up moving me because I'm quiet. I've been there for a minute and I don't cause no problems. I ended up moving me in the room. So he'd give him the phones. I ended up buying one of the phones from Now we both got phones. How much? I think it was 700.

So he was going to charge the other dude at thousand. Mind you, this is 2013 in Northern. If it was 2009, you could have probably got one for $150 by the end of the night. You know what I mean? But this is after the crackdowns. They fired a lot of police. A lot of people don't have phones.

So the price was a little higher. I mean, that's still pretty cheap to get a phone because when I was in, that price went up to $1,500, $2,000. Yeah, you were. We're also in the feds, so you know you're dealing with a different, sometimes different bracket of people. But, yeah, so that's what it was. I got it.

I did not want to be in the room with this dude. He's loud. I'm from Newark, Stratford. I shoot you, blah, blah. You know, that type of, like, loud, blah, blah, shit. And he's selling tobacco on top of it. But the way he's doing it, he yelling out the port, Western Union, this. He's telling the dude, the runner, he got the phone.

He's doing too much. but in my head I'm thinking I got more at S-Agg time than him he about to leave in it was like not right when we got the phones but like he was supposed to leave in November

and I wasn't leaving until February so my mom once he leave the police know I'm fly I got the plug now you know what I mean because we started talking I'm gonna be good I just gotta wait this dude out we don't make it that far two like two three months later Friday to

13th. Mind you, one of my robberies Friday the 13th. I woke up in the morning said I wasn't leaving the house. Ended up whole shit by the end of the night. I woke up in the morning and I'm like, damn, bro, you know this is the day that this happened. He's like, man, ain't nothing going to happen, bro. Go back to sleep. Bro, not. Mind you, now, we're in Northern. We have the door jammed

shut. The police can't open it with the buzzer. We got the brush locked in there with the nail clippers. So if you go buzzed 218, I think it it might have been room 218 on 3, 4 wing

in northern S.A. So you bus 218, it's not gonna, the door's not gonna open. It's just gonna, mm-hmm.

So they come, look, they got the camera at the door with hella police and sergeants. And I'm like, fuck, bro,

we got the curtain over the door. Now, mind you, we've talked about this if something happens. This is why we have the door

jam shut. You know what I mean? We know, we know what it is. We was gonna not open that door until we broke the phones up. If they cut the water, we're going to sit here until they

either mace this shit and we get, we're going to try to break because it didn't have a SIM card these phones. They was like the Verizon ones and break it in the pieces and put it in the vent. Right? Bro, I'm trying to, I don't have my shoes or socks on, neither does he. My thing is we,

you don't know, they're going to come in and fuck it. I'm trying to put my sneakers on. I got one shoe, one sock on. He flushed it. I grabbed my phone. He flush his phone. You know them toilet strong. I break mine in half. Because this is what we talked about. He flushed his whole phone. I break mine in half.

Oh no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I break mine in half. Throw it in the toilet. Turn around. I grabbed the cigarettes in the lighter. Grab my other shoe. Bro, as I turned around and the phone went down the toilet, he took the shit out the door and lay down. I'm like, what the fuck are you? I got the cigarettes and the lighter in my hand. They blitz me.

I got one shoe with sock in my hands, cigarettes, and I'm like, blitz me, tackle me. He was already laying down. They cuff us up. Bring us out strip searches. We in the cages underneath the stairwell. And I'm like, bro, what the fuck? And he's like, I panic.

I'm like, what do you mean you panic? We don't talk about this. How many, why would you open the... So now they, in the room with the snake, they got maintenance there, and they got the pipe open and they just flooding this shit, letting it come trying to get the phone. Because they know what they came there for. bro, you know what they get out of the two phones?

Just yours? Just the bottom half of mine. And they were that had the like the port or whatever where they were able to get the data. So listen, my man's telling me through the thing. He don't know I had a phone, but later we told.

He's like, damn, bro, you ain't even let me know. But he's like, bro, they didn't find it. They didn't find it. So in my mind, they didn't get shit. So they send us to lock up. We in lockup. And they, like, um, they called me in there. Where the phone come from?

What phone? Bro. Send me back to myself. He's like, everybody stays in here for the same time. I said, listen, I don't got shit to tell you. So he's like, I'm like, bro, send me back to myself. He's like, um, like I said, everybody stayed in here for the same time. So I'm like, how much is that?

He's like, like, like, five minutes. So I'm like, all right, so I've been here for about 30 seconds. So I start counting backwards. He's like, oh, you want to be a smart ass? He's like, you do. just to earn yourself another, whatever amount of minutes he said. So he's like, I said, what do you want me to do? Stare at the wall for that amount of time?

I said, bro, I don't got shit to tell you. He's like, or we could talk. I said, you seen the game last night? He's like, take this motherfucker back to himself. So he's like, does Baysaw I have an assay? I'm like, no, no, they fucking don't. And I walk out, right? Probably some other choice words.

I talked to my man, the dude I was in the cell with, send me a kite, right? He's like, listen. Tell him it was yours. We don't know what they found, but they're charging us with a phone. We don't know that they found the bottom half of my phone. We don't know what they found. He said, but they say, and they found the phone, and that's what they're charging us with.

So he sends me a kite. Yo, tell them it was your phone. They're going to send you back to one wing. They're going to send me back to four wing. I still had to plug. I get you another phone. And he had owed me like 12 packs of buglers, which I never got. And at that time, they had took cigarettes off the thing.

So this is like $100 a pack. You know what I mean? So I do that. I tell him it was my phone. He had nothing to do with it. Bro, they ship him the next morning, bro. They ship him to one prison, me to Southwood's ad segg.

Southwest's ad seg is like a room. You can't have nothing, not even a walkman, bro. You're supposed to be there no more than 30 days. They keep me there for six fucking months, bro. It was so bad you couldn't get an extra slice of bread. I'm talking about, so I was reading like, working out twice a day. I'm ordering books.

That's all I got. The lady comes, the limit was 10 books, right? She comes. She hadn't come for like two and a half weeks. So when she comes, that's exactly how many books I had 10 books. So she's like, all right, you have 10 books here. I'm like, yeah, I know. She's like, that's the limit.

I said, I know. She's like, yeah, but I've brought new books before. You still have them? I said, you want me to, like, mind you, some of them are around the tier, letting other people read them, but I got 10 books in there. I said, I'll give you 10 books. She said, no, I'll be back in two weeks.

Have the proper paperwork that you discarded of those or donated them. And wouldn't give me my books, bro. Like, this is the type of, they bled me. Then after that, they sent me to Trenton. Trenton is like, it's different. You know what I mean? You got to have, like, pretty much 25 or better to be there. But they ask, and you walk in and you just feel it is different.

You want to sell where they don't need, it's not a toilet, bro. it's a hole in the wall literally you're shitting in a hole in the wall bro it's like a circle thing with a cone that you turn the spick it

and the water runs down one side so you got it but that shit was so bad you don't see no window there's no AC it's that was that was a that was a rough year that was a rough year

did you ever find out how they found out you guys had a phone um somebody told, I think somebody that, because he was doing too much, he was baby mama, girlfriend, this, you know what I mean? Anybody could have called, anybody could have hate because people knew what was going on with him. I was just called, I was, the whole, you know what the whole discovery was? I was never mentioned. I was in like two sentences of the discovery.

It was all him. Is it because you ratted on yourself, too? Would you, like, you told them it was your phone, too? Yeah, but they already found it. They already knew that it was, well, why it was coming. and they already knew why they was raiding the cell. What would have happened if they didn't, if you didn't say it was your phone? Would you guys both, do you think they would have dropped?

Oh, they still charged both of us. Oh, it made no difference. Okay. They had a picture of him in the phone. They got everything. They got everything, bro. Yeah, they got everything. But these were actual criminal charges.

It wasn't just like a prison charge. No, so, and here's the kicker, right? They didn't charge me right there. They waited 31 months to indict me by saying, since I ain't telling where the phone came from, it was an active investigation. So 31 months, now I'm under two years short. So now when they charge me, it affects me.

Because they know they're going to run a concurrent. So that's what they did, yeah. Oh, you got fucked. Oh, yeah, I did. Dude, it's so unfair with the phone thing because they pick, like, even in the feds, like they pick one out of like 20 that they actually take and they prosecute.

So later on, when I was in a half of house, bless you. Thank you. Later on, I was in a halfway house, and they're doing some raid or something, and they're like, it was an SID got there. And he's like, I'm looking at your thing. And it says that you got charged with a phone. And I'm like, yeah, he's like, it says that we charged you. I'm like, yeah, he's like, we don't do that. I'm like, well, obviously you do.

He's like, yeah, who did you piss off? And I was like, I was an asshole, but I really was. You broke your own rule, too, going into. business or like being involved with that guy in the cell after learning what you learned in the first prison? I did. I did. I knew I was trying to wait it out.

And I thought I could do it. I thought the later benefits was going to outweigh the thing. Yeah. So when did you finally get out of prison for everything? What year? So, um, 2022. And at this point, are you still having drug issues or did you beat that while you were through prison?

So I beat that through prison. I had maybe like a couple week period, almost two years ago at this point. But yeah. What kind of drugs were you addicted to? Growing up, first weed, then it progressed, eat pills, you know what I mean? I did and sold everything like growing up.

growing up I was always against heroin I hated it with a passion and then I got my wisdom teeth pulled and got perks and the first time I took it I was like oh that's all right you know what I mean kind of like damn I was a little groovy

and you know you know the story as a thousand's others it progressed from there and yeah just made me a little harder and colder and crimes progress. Do you think that was one of the positives that came out of prison

being able to overcome addiction? But while I was in prison, I was still selling drugs and doing all this other stuff. It didn't happen. So remember I told you I was home 54D? I went back. That was like the breaking point for me because I fucked up shit with my pops again.

And everybody, myself, like, y'all just did all that time and came right back. There was this dude he was like one of my first monkeys when I was in at SEG. I did four and a half years total three of it straight

because I got the other year for the phone so that made three years. When I got out of ASSEG, I went back to Bayside and I ran into him and I'm like, damn, bro, you still locked up? He's like, no, I mean, I just came back in. He's like, you still like?

I said, yeah, I just got out of ASSEG. He's like from when we was in there, He's like, bro, that was like, what year was that? He's like, bro, I went home. I had a kid. I did this. I did that. And I'm like, damn.

And I'm like, then you came back. And I like did the same thing. But to touch on that, I was focused while I was in prison. And they sent me to the halfway house. And the halfway house is a fucking trap house. Bro, like, I had a schedule, bro. I go to sleep by 10 o'clock. up in the morning.

I'm working out. Bro, these motherfuckers don't go to sleep until 4 o'clock in the morning, bro. It really is a trap. I can't sleep, bro. I sleep light. You move, I'm up.

So it's like, I can't. These motherfuckers get, so. And it was like five weeks before I went home and I think it just kind of like put me in like everybody hustling this and it was like, I don't know, it kind of like brought it. So it wasn't good.

But going back through that, you know, I fucked up the relationship that I built with my dad again. because we've always been rocky. Like he's always been there, been supportive, you know what I mean? But we've had a rocky relationship mostly. You know, he could be stern or hard, whatever, but mostly due to my actions and my decisions. And you were able to rebuild that relationship now with him?

Yeah, bro. It's been a blessing, actually. So he lives in Michigan. But he came out the week before Father's Day. And we went to this restaurant, nice-ass restaurant. He was taking me out. You know what I mean? But his wife was there too.

And he's ordering. Order whatever you want. I got it. You know what I mean? Blah, blah. So he's getting dessert, drinks, whatever. You know what I mean? We're having a good time.

A appetizes. But the whole time in my mind, I'm paying for this shit. You know what I mean? He don't know that, but I know that. So I get up to the, to use the bathroom, whatever, give the weight of my car. So when the check came, the waiter gave it to me. Because all I got to do is sign.

You know what I mean? I mean. So he's like, nah, give me that. Give me that. I got ass to that. You know, it's paid for it. So he was like, nah, let me give you some money like that

because he knew it was, so he's like, I'm like, you know, I can lead a tip or whatever. So he's like, well, I'm like, don't worry about it. He's like,

well, I got to know if I'll leave the tip. So, you know, it was a little over 200, but it felt good to be able to do that for. You know what I mean? Like it was,

fuck the $200 is a blessing of doing when he wasn't expecting it. You know what I mean? So it was a good feeling. That's awesome. Absolutely. Life really comes full circle. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so we're working on things. We definitely are, hopefully might try to go out there next month. They got some kayak races that's, like, right on the outside of his property. Do you think he'll watch and listen to this? It's not his thing, but if I told them about it, yeah, you'd probably check it out. That's awesome. So you're in your late 30s now. Yeah.

You lost a lot of, like, those prime main years in prison. How does that make you feel? So I think when I came home after the nine years and three months, that was the thing. Like I wanted to see everybody. I wanted to do everything. I was still in Jersey. I just wanted to have a good time. Like, bro, you just went through all that.

Like, it's, and it led back to the same bullshit fast. But going back through it and, like, you know, getting locked up. You know who your friends are. You know, who's not, you know. But coming home, when I came home this time, I mean, you can never get those years back. All you could do is try to, at this, I know that now, you know, All you could just try to do is build for the future. This time, like, I prepared myself to come home and try, like, I had a job interview

sit up for the next day, the next day. It was a Thursday or a Friday and a Monday or a Tuesday. You know what I mean? So, like, I planned it out. I knew I knew I can't get that time back, you know? It sucks. Those are the best prime years of your life from 23 to 35. You know what I mean?

That's like those are your years. that you should be building your foundation. But I'm blessed. Some people can't come home to nothing. When I came home, I went with my mom. Unfortunately, my grandmother had passed from COVID. My mom ended up getting to moving to the PA because it's a little cheaper out there

and getting like a spot. And I came home and went out there and it's in a poke nose. I don't know nobody out there. Shit, a little remote. You know what I mean? You have your areas where it's like Strasbourg right there, whatever, but I got a job within the first week,

well, I think I started eight days in. And it was just a blessing. I didn't really maintain, like, relationship with many people, maybe one or two. I didn't talk to people. So I just worked with my, I talked to my girl, my mom, my brother. That was like it. Nobody else.

So I've been grinding for about, like, the last two and a half. half years at that same job. That's awesome. 10 hours a day, 12 hours a day, no less than nine and a half. I show up early every day. Most days I stay late. Do they know about your past? Yeah, yeah, because I was still on parole, so my parole officer was still popping up.

And it's a layback spot, you know what I mean? I was working here before I even filled that application. I literally sent them a message on the website. They called me. They came in and he was like, you want your job, all right, you start tomorrow. You know what I mean? He's like, after your break, come fill out the application. You know what I mean?

So it was cool. It was laid back. You know, felons, ex-inmates, ex-cons, whatever, the ones that are ready to make a change in their life, those are the hardest workers. Bro, I bust my ass at that job every day. Yeah, you were telling me before that you get there a half hour early and you stay late. I mean, I only go a half hour early now because before, like, when I worked a late shift until 10 and I didn't go in until. like 10, I would. Sometimes I'd be there, an hour and a half.

You know what I mean? Like, if I get to overtime, I ain't had nothing else to do, let's get it. Yeah, that's why it's like, so I think that should be a prerequisite for a lot of these, like, blue-collar type jobs, you know? Like, did you go to prison? Because then you know that person's ready, you know? And I've been told by multiple people, like, bro, you're the hardest working person here. You know what I mean? And I do.

I work. for me, but the thing is, even if, like, there's nothing to do, I'll sit down and I'll sit down for, like, a minute. And it's like, I'm back up. Like, all, let me just sweep up or let me do something. I don't know. I just, I got to, you know, keep going. Do people still judge you for your past? It's not at that job, but.

Anywhere in life. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Y'all tried to plan a trip before my mother passed at an Airbnb, right? So I booked it. It was going to be me, my lady, her mother, and my mother. No party, no bullshit. You know what I mean? I'm on some grown man shit.

I book it. Pay for it. Then they hit me back. And they're like, not only can you not book it, you can't use our platform. Here's your money back. Thanks. I heard about, I've had guests on the show. Oh, like, are you kidding me?

Yo, and I can't even talk about it because it's, you know, No, but. Airbnb is vicious. I couldn't even do that vacation, bro. And yeah, so that was a rough one. But, yeah. So I'm judged. Even before, like, some of the jobs, they were like, oh, yeah, you're hired.

Come in at this time. So I would. And it's like, oh, wait, you would like to, what? Well, sorry, we're going to have to take that back. You know, so that was regular. I'd rather go to a hotel than support Airbnb if they're going to be like that. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that was the thing.

My mom was like, oh, we could do it under my car. I don't even want to fuck Airbnb, you know what I mean? Yeah, fuck them. Yeah, you don't... That's crazy

that they do that. There should be more of in-depth, like, prerequisites, like checking. I mean, and don't get me wrong. I got a fucked up record.

That's not why I am today. No. By any means, bro. By any means, you know? Do you think that your mom living in where she did when you were ready

to make that change helped, like being in that secluded area, being in that change of scenery? I think it was a huge help. Huge. Huge. Huge. Would you give that advice

to someone that's just getting out to go to somewhere? I mean, yeah, of course, people, places and things if you're able to, some people aren't able to. Some people are going sent to these halfway houses

or like whatever after and don't get me wrong, you might get like an Oxford house or somewhere shit is good or a three-quarter house. But if you go into like a halfway house or you know what I mean, there's more drugs in there

than it's on the street. Halfway houses are a joke. Those are just money-making you know That shit was shocking I'm talking about the whole The toilet seat is just burnt Bro like I'm talking

Just cigarette burns Smell burns Like I'd rather stay in prison Then go back to halfway house I wouldn't go No And that's supposed to be Rehabilitation

I wouldn't do it I wouldn't do it bro It's crazy What's something you know now That you wish you knew When you're a teenager Um I wish I would know that

It's So much bigger than taking like that moment you know there's so much more to life there's so much more to life right and getting high like all right say you take these drugs or whatever it's I feel like it's all an agenda against us like through the pharmaceuticals and like it's it would go Some of that answer would go into like another thing, but I feel like if I would have known for me, like, yo, this is not beneficial for you.

This is not just for you to have a good time tonight, or this is not just for you to make a couple dollars. Like there's so much more to life that you could be set for and just exposed to different things. And I was told this by my father. I was told some of this stuff by my father, and it went one ear and out the other. But if I was told by somebody like, you know how we're having this conversation

or somebody else that you had this contact, the stuff that we could relate to that we sit in it. If I was told by somebody like that on a constant basis or like surrounded by that, I think, you know, it would have made a difference to just know that like what is going to lead to the prison, what you're subjected to, what you're taken away from. So I know you talk about the prison tattoos. You see, it says, do not forget, I did this myself. Pick and poke? Yeah, I did that.

I got prison tattoos. Do not forget, do not forget standing at the door after a workout, waiting for a shower that you're not getting. Because they said, fuck you. You know what I mean? Don't forget them, bro, just beating people for no reason. Knocking people's teeth. I've seen Bayside was bad, man. They got cameras and it calmed down.

But there was before I was there when it happened The cop was chaining this dude up And beating him in the kitchen SID had to put a camera in the outlet And catch him on camera They discharged them But that's just one of how many

Things that happened on a daily basis Bro Wow Like you want to subject yourself to that And some people are being subjected to that Who like Chris he was a driver Bro he's a military dude

Good kid You know know what I mean? So it's like, bro, you got to be real careful about your decisions, who you hang out with, what you're doing. And there's so much more positive shit, man. Like, I want to go skydiving. I want to go quadriding. I want to, I want to do some things, bro. Like, I want to, and also, like, yeah, I know you ask everybody what their message is. Like, but this shit follows you. You ask me, does that, aren't you? Does that stop you from doing things? Yeah, like, I know a lot of the people, you have big, big people on.

here, and this is why I respect you so much because you got me on here. I'm working at a lumberyard, but a regular dude who just did 12 years at a prison. But I appreciate that. And it's a change. It's amazing. I never thought I could do that. My mother just passed two months ago, right? Them same perks that I was taking, I would have to give her, put him in her mouth.

I never took one. I never wanted to take one. Fetanoil, patched everything that she was on. When she passed, I ain't, I ain't take nothing. That was my biggest fear in life Her passing Because I thought that was my That was my time to be like

Fuck it Handling everything So What are You just mentioned That you have things you want to do What are like five Things on your bucket list

That you want to accomplish In the next couple years That you want to do So you know I know like you have A lot of people on here Who do the YouTube and stuff Like yeah I have social media

I'm not big on it I don't know if I want to be like no No contact I don't want to be famous. I don't want to be rich. I just want to be comfortable, bro. Honestly, I'd like to have my own business, whether it was with the truck. And I would like to do a CDL and have like a transport or ship and get my own truck.

I'd like to do something like that eventually where I'm not driving at all. But I like to do something where I'm comfortable. I mean, I'm all right. I was just, I just paid for my mother funeral. You know what I mean? off my card, bro. Everything to by myself. Like, that's a blessing to be able to do.

So it's like, I'm not in a grapeage. Like I said, I'm working. But I just want to be comfortable. I don't want my people to want nothing. I don't, you know, just be in a better place, bro. Absolutely. Well, Donald, well, thank you so much for coming on the show today, man. It was a pleasure that we got to sit down and be able to do this.

Absolutely. You have an incredible story. And you killed it, man. You did really good. Appreciate it, bro. Yeah, I appreciate you, man. It's hard talking about my mom. That's the only thing.

No, there's nothing wrong with that, man. It's good to show emotions, you know? Sometimes. Yeah, because, you know, like, people get to see that side of you that the rest of the world never really got to see. Yeah, but sometimes you got to hold that back, too, as you know. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we're not in prison anymore.

Yeah, you're right. Never again. Thank you, bro.