Locked In with Ian Bick - Savannah Chrisley: How I Got My Parents Out of Prison

Episode Date: January 26, 2026

Savannah Chrisley opens up to Ian Bick about her upbringing and what it was like navigating her parents’ legal battles while living in the public eye. She walks through the trial process, the emotional toll of visiting her parents in prison, and the pressure of fighting for justice under constant scrutiny. Savannah also breaks down the long, exhausting road to securing a pardon — from advocacy and setbacks to finally getting her parents released — and how the entire experience reshaped her perspective on family, accountability, and resilience. _____________________________________________ #SavannahChrisley #TrueStories #PrisonReform #FamilyJustice #LifeAfterPrison #CelebrityInterview #RealLifeStories #youtubepodcast _____________________________________________ Thank you to WARBY PARKER for sponsoring this episode: Our listeners get 15% off plus free shipping when they buy two or more pairs of prescription glasses at https://warbyparker.com/LOCKEDIN — using our link helps support the show. #WarbyParker #ad _____________________________________________ Connect with Savannah Chrisley: https://www.instagram.com/savannahchrisley/?hl=en _____________________________________________ Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ _____________________________________________ Shop Locked In Merch: http://www.ianbick.com/shop _____________________________________________ Timestamps: 00:00 Parents Facing Prison: Savannah’s Family Crisis Begins 05:05 Childhood, Family Values, and Life Before the Charges 13:00 Reality TV Fame, Public Scrutiny, and Career Shifts 19:46 Thrown Into the Justice System With No Preparation 27:00 Trial, Sentencing, and Claims of Injustice 33:10 Saying Goodbye Before Prison: Visits, Letters, and Pain 37:51 Carrying the Weight: Pressure, Responsibility, and Survival 41:43 Fighting for Freedom: Legal Appeals, Advocacy, and Hope 47:03 Coming Home: Family Reunited and Healing Begins 52:04 Lessons From Prison, Faith, and Moving Forward Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Then when you see your name on a piece of paper, the United States of America versus the Crisleys, you're like, whoa, this may not be what I thought it was. How did you personally feel when you saw the headlines about your parents being under arrest? I learned that they will go to any extent to get the outcome that they want, whether it's the truth or not. When did it start to really sit in in your mind that your parents were going to go to prison?

I just kind of pushed it under the rug, right? Like, why am I going to be consumed about freaking Karen's Instagram comment when I have two parents that I need to get out of prison? Tell us about that journey of actually being able to get them released from prison. In this episode, Savannah Crisley walks through what it was really like going through her parents' arrest, trial, and prison sentences while living in the public eye. She explains the legal process from her perspective, visiting her parents behind bars and the long, difficult road it took to fight for their freedom.

Savannah, Chrisley, welcome to Locked in. So cool that your podcast is unlocked and now we're locked in. I know. That is so awesome. I saw it. And I was like, okay, well, now I have to do this. Yeah, I appreciate you coming on. I got to meet Chase.

I got to meet your dad. The only one I haven't met yet is your mom. But your family's great. I love them. Well, you saved the best for last. So we're good. You know, that's what they all said. They said I had to be the most worried, but the most excited for you because you're the

serious. I'm not even that serious. Like when it comes to obviously our story and all the legal stuff, I like, and I am very serious and I follow everything to a T. But other than that, I mean, I'm really not that serious in life. I love the gym drama going on between you and your dad too. First off, he should be embarrassed. He should be embarrassed. Like, who? No. Like it's, but there was also a thing that came up on social media that said people who, post their workouts constantly are like psychopaths. Like there was like a study done. I was like that's fitting.

He posted that meme, I think last month. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I sent it to him. And but hey, I went and worked out this morning. So I'm going to, I'm getting back on my game. And but you won't see me post. Actually, you probably will. I probably a psychopath too, but it's okay. What was your upbringing like Savannah?

Oh my gosh. My upbringing, uh, it was definitely. different. Like I like to say I don't ever remember a time when my parents didn't have money, right? Now, when I was much younger, they didn't. But I didn't remember it. And then I would say probably like six, seven, eight years old. I really, that's when it kind of picked up. Dad was super successful in his business, had the largest asset management company in the country. So he had government contracts with Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and he just excelled. He was like that top 1% that didn't. He barely finished high school. He got his GED, never went to college. And he was just

hell bent on, I'm going to be better than what I came from. I want more than what I came from. Granted, my grandparents are phenomenal, right? So it wasn't in that aspect. It was just more of, I want the nicer things out of life. So I saw my parents, work really, really hard. But there was definitely a lot of pressure. My dad has, he's always been so much easier on the boys, like so much easier. They could screw up or do whatever. It was just, there was definitely a double standard when it came to the girls and the boys. But now where I'm at in my life, I'm grateful for it. Because having that pressure on me and it taught me what I know today. and it gave me all the strength that I needed to get through the past few years.

So I really wouldn't trade it for the world. Who are you closer to your mom or your dad? I think it like ebbs and flows, right? There was a really long period of time for like my dad and I inseparable, which were still extremely, extremely close. But I think the older you get, especially as a woman, like you start to see your mother in a different light. So you start to see her and just real woman struggles and what women go through.

through. And now I think I'm a little bit closer to my mom. But again, it ebbs and flows, right, on the day. What was your favorite childhood memory? Oh, gosh, my favorite childhood memory. Oh, I don't know. There was always so, like, it was such a, when it comes to how we were raised, like, I never remember a time towards like, my dad wasn't at home for dinner, right? Or my dad, wasn't going on these guys trips. Mom wasn't going on girls trips. Like they were very devoted parents. So they were there for everything. I grew up riding horses. They were at every single horse show. They were every single school award. And I think when you look back at your childhood, it's easy to say like, oh, that trip was great or this was great. But the older I get, I also see how

everyone had, has such different upbringings. And a lot of parents aren't involved in their kids' lives. So to be able to look back on my life and be like, I don't ever remember my parents not being present, I think is the best memory to be able to have as now an adult. How would your best friend in high school describe you back then? Gosh, honestly, I don't, again, like our upbringing was definitely different. So I was homeschooled for all of high school because I was working. I was filming a TV show, you know, 10, 11 months out of the year. And it was a full-time job. So I didn't really have a lot of friends. You definitely lose a lot of people along the way. But some of the friends that I had then, I still have now. And like I just saw one of my best

girlfriends, Emily, in San Francisco. We've been friends since I was 15 years old. And for her, she said, like, it's so awesome to like see you grow and finally come into yourself. And because I think back then there was a lot of pressure on me of from the world, from parents, expectations and my own expectations. So I think it's just cool for friends that I did have back then to now see where I'm at today because I was definitely more timid. Shocker, not now. Definitely more timid back then.

And now I've just finally come into myself and I'm confident in who I am. Was there ever a part of you that wanted that normal life? Like going to say a public high school is such a big part, I feel like of someone's life. Yeah. So I actually had talked to my parents into letting me go to a public high school out in California when we were living out there for a short period of time. And I went for like maybe a semester. And I was like, this is terrible. This is terrible.

Like going from the South in a private Christian school to then California in a public school, I had seen things I'd never seen before in my entire life. and I got a good dose of it and that was all that I needed. And I love the life that I've lived. I mean, I've met so many cool people. And it's allowed me to live the life that I live, right? I mean, I've been working since I was 15 years old. So I was 17, 18 years old worried about, all right, how am I going to pay my car insurance, my health insurance, my rent, all these things.

Most 17, 18 year olds aren't worried about that. Do you feel like your career path was chosen for you or did you have a say in it? I definitely, I remember the show came about. My dad talked to us about it. And at that time, we all thought it was super cool, right? Like Kardashians were at their peak. And you're like, oh, that would be such an awesome fun life. You don't know what comes along with it.

So we all definitely agreed as a family to do the show. And then everything else just kind of fell into our lap when it came to the TV world. And now I think finally at 28, like I'm just now choosing my own career path, right? I've started up my health and female focused health and wellness company, Good Girl, RX. And that's been like my number one focus. I do that. I do real estate.

I do my podcast. So I'm kind of creating my own life finally at 28, which is crazy. And I feel like you have a niche for the criminal justice side too after this past year. Yeah, that's. So I'm doing some consulting work on that side. just helping individuals who I feel were wrongfully convicted or maybe have, you know, were over-sentenced because you see that all too often. Sure, they may be guilty of what you say they were guilty of, but a 20, 30-year sentence on a

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versus basically the Crisleys, you're like, whoa, this may not be what I thought it was. And then when you get involved and you see how corrupt things are and can be, you start to question everything that maybe you thought, you know, especially being raised in the South. Like you live, breathe, die our country. You love our law enforcement. You have no reason to question it. But then once you're in the thick of it, you realize how you had so many things that were off. How did you personally feel when you saw the headlines about your parents being under arrest?

It was tough because at the beginning, they definitely tried to shield us from a lot of it, right? As any parent would. And then we all talked about it. And I think the most infuriating part was, I'm fine. with you putting a headline out here, even if it hurts me, if it's the truth. But what I'm not okay with is these maybe taken three to five percent of the truth and then creating this whole narrative around it that isn't even factual. That's what really pissed me off.

And that's what I had two younger kids at the time, Grayson and Chloe, were 10 and 16 when mom and dad went away. and I'm like, I'm not, I'm going to correct these wrongs because I have two kids that have to suffer the consequences of all of this. And I started setting the record straight, putting the proof out there. I mean, talking about, you know, headlines, $36 million worth of fraud. I would have, let's face it, 36 million, my life would have looked a hell of a lot different, okay? Like, granted, we lived a nice life, but not $36 million fraud scheme kind of life. and that was just what the that's what people love to write about that's what prosecutors love to use as a tagline

but what these prosecutors didn't tell people was all right these were like business loans these for one of the largest asset management companies in the country um they were there was homes held as collateral there was artwork held us collateral there was so if a loan wasn't met they took a home to make the loan whole, right? So there's a whole difference on intended loss versus actual loss. And a lot of people don't understand that because the government likes to go off of intended loss. And as of last year, the courts were split.

I'm not quite sure where it's at now, but the courts were split because half wanting to go off of actual loss, which was money that was actually lost versus intended. and intended is, hey, if a bank approves you for a $2 million loan and you don't pull a single dime from it, you're still going down for a $2 million, you know, fraud, basically. So it's just definitely, I educated myself more than I could have ever imagined. And I like to say people come at me all the time, oh, college this, college that, you don't have a degree in this. And I'm like, and? Because there's nothing more dangerous than someone who has educated.

themselves, in my opinion. When the headlines were coming out, was it hard to navigate social media, seeing those comments, seeing the slander, seeing that, you know, the memes when social media is such a big part of your business? Um, I would say maybe a little bit, but I think I'd already pass that threshold. Because when you're in the public eye and media is your business, you start to learn. Good, bad, and different. Media is still media.

So people are still talking about you. And when they talk about you, your business has still come up. So your businesses still make money. So at that point in time, I was like, I really don't care. Now, I know it was definitely a lot harder for my dad to take all the criticism. He likes to say he doesn't care. But during that time, he really cared. And he and I would, he was in prison and he and I would get into it because I went full force.

I put all of our business out there, right? Like, I didn't care because I knew we had to stay in the public eye in order to get the attention of the individuals that could help us. Yeah, there's no such thing as bad press. No, no, not at all. All right, quick sidebar, because this is something I deal with every single year. Every year I walk into a regular eyeglasses store thinking, okay, I've got insurance, this shouldn't be that bad.

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It was tough. The trial was the most nerve-wracking thing in the entire world. I mean, you're sitting there and it's, you know, I watch Law and Order SVU growing up, right? Like, one of my favorite shows. I don't watch it anymore because it's so traumatic. and like when a jury stands up and they're like on count such and such guilty this count guilty and it's like such PTSD because I will never forget sitting in that courtroom and all 12 counts I think it was guilty and I'm like this this is crazy like this is my life now but the the moment

they start reading off the guilty verdicts I knew they were all going to be guilty I got up left the courtroom, rush back to our hotel, got all of our stuff up. And then on my drive back to Nashville was when I called a few people in town. And I had a sitting judge that said if my life was on the line, this is who I would call. And that's what led me to Alex Little, who was our appellate lawyer. And I called Alex. He was at my parents' house the next day. And that's who we hired. And from that point forward. It was kind of like I just took the reins of fighting for their freedom. As a family member, do you feel like you're under trial at the same time? Oh, without a doubt. I mean, people coming at me all the time about must be nice to live a life

off of stolen money. First off, since I was 17, 18 years old, I've lived off of money that I have made. like my life has been funded by my money. Granted, my parents have done things for me here and there, but it was never out of, hey, I need this or can you do this for me? If they did something for me, it was because they wanted to. But the majority of my life was funded on my own. And so having that false narrative out there was kind of tough for me. But I just kind of pushed it under the rug, right?

Like, why am I going to be consistent? consumed about freaking Karen's Instagram comment when I have two parents that I need to get out at prison that got sentenced to a combined what dad got 12 months 19 years so a combined 19 years I mean dad got 12 mom got seven so at that point I didn't care what other people said do you think the world sometimes forgets that they're humans too and that you as a person's a human they do and I always like to say I would love for all their skeletons to be put out like on the front page for everyone to see, right? Because everyone has things in their life that they may not be proud of or things that have

happened to them that were out of their control. And they would be mortified for it to be out there for the world. And what was really tough for me was the fact that there was a 10 and 16 year old. Like, okay, you don't care about my parents, whatever. But like have some grace for two minor children. that are already, first off, those ages are terrible to begin with in school and other kids and then put on top of it a very public trial to where both of their parents go to prison at the same time. So I think what was hard was seeing just the lack of empathy for children.

And that really caused me to question humanity as a whole. Going through the legal process before sentencing, going through the trial, the pretrial proceedings. What did you learn about the criminal justice system? I learned that you have these federal prosecutors who are making close to nothing. And they want to make a name for themselves, right? So they want to go, they want to have one or two really successful, huge headline trials. So then they can go off into private practice and make millions.

And they're willing to do whatever it takes to get there. So in our case, there were huge Fourth Amendment violations, illegal search and seizures. Their prosecutors lied. We have audio recordings of government officials talking about wiping government devices clean of anything that had to do with the Crisley case. They had a photo of my father's face on a dartboard in their office. I mean, I learned that they will go to any extent to get their. outcome that they want, whether it's the truth or not, which is very scary and which is why I have said prosecutors should not have full immunity because who's going to hold their feet to the fire,

right? They have no repercussions for doing anything that is illegal. Did it make you rethink how you might have previously thought about other high-profile individuals who have went through similar situations. Without a doubt, 100%. And even very controversial cases that are out there today, I look at things from a very legal perspective. I can take out, all right, this person may be a piece of shit. They may be a horrible individual. But if the government broke the law in order to get a conviction, I'm sorry, just because the person's a shitty person doesn't mean they belong in prison for X amount of years. And I've always said if the government wants a clean conviction, then have a clean case, have a clean trial. When did it start to really sit in in your mind that

your parents were going to go to prison? Gosh, honestly, we had spent a fortune on trial lawyers. We felt super confident. And it wasn't until the guilty verdict came down. And even when the guilty verdict came down, my dad definitely was feeling very hopeful about the appellate process and them not having to go to prison. But then the judge that we had, she was not during the trial, she did not rule in our favor 95% of the time, right? So she allowed illegal evidence to come in. I mean, when the government, you know, illegally sees their so-called evidence, she, a magistrate judge, ruled it wasn't allowed in because it was illegally obtained trial judge allows it all in at trial right so when you start seeing key moments like that happen you start to know you're screwed um so that

that that's really when it hit home and then once they were found guilty i was like this is going to happen and then when we went to the sentencing hearing that was probably the most traumatic thing because I will never forget sitting there and watching prosecutors ask for life for my father. Literally ask for life. For what you say, first they said it was 36 million and, you know, fraud. Then they went down, they got it down to 17 million, right? So they dropped it by almost half at the sentencing hearing. And we asked for a hearing to verify the loss amount.

Judge wouldn't give it to us because we're like, hey, if you're, going to say this much money was lost, show us where it was lost. Judge wouldn't have it. So she just was not, she was not a fan of the Chrissley family by any means. Did you speak at sentencing? No, I didn't. I don't, I can't remember why. I just think the judge, she just wasn't having anything, right? Like the minor children were going to speak. She wouldn't close the courtroom for that. She said, this is, and we asked for the court. courtroom to be closed because obviously there's just very personal information when it comes to these minor children and their medical records and they're not adults and the judge said this

is a very public trial so the public deserves to hear it all and I'm like this like the lack of empathy to as a judge who is a mother to not she just I mean she she she wasn't having it now granted, after everything happened, and I became very outspoken during this last election, we had to go for our mom's resentencing hearing because the 11th Circuit ruled they couldn't find the evidence used to convict her in the bank fraud. So she had to be resentenced. The judge put her through transit for a month, which is God-awful, as you may know. And what she could have done via Zoom, right? Like the judge, like everything was set up at the prison for her to do it via Zoom and the judge was like, no, she'll be here in person. Just for the judge to sentence her to the same amount of

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I was going to get my parents on. What was the night before you brought your parents to prison like? We, there wasn't much sleep. Mom and I did a puzzle till like super late and we all had dinner and we tried to have one last, you know, get together. But it was, it was really tough. Mom made us, she went to build a bear and made us these bears that you click on the heart of it and it's a voice recording of her. and each of us had our own different voice recording. And I literally, yes, it 26 years old, I slept with it like every night of my life when she was gone.

And it just gave us some comfort, you know, just having a little piece of her. And they left us videos before they left. And it was tough. Definitely dropping my dad off at prison. and driving away without him was something just I will never forget. Was that the first time you ever saw an outside of a prison that close? Yes, yes, very much so. And it was interesting.

He was at a camp, luckily, which was still terrible. But I learned very quickly to take the little wins, right? Like the first time I went into the prison visitation room, I literally like got goosebumps and started crying. And I hugged my dad for the first time. And I was so grateful that he was placed in a facility where I could hug him. Because there's so many facilities you can't touch. You may be behind glass. You may.

It's just not. I got to visit him from eight to three. Right. So on the weekends. So I would be there at eight. leave it three. And I learned to be appreciative for that. But I like to say I never felt the presence of Jesus more than I did in that prison

visitation room. You see spouses reconnecting. You see fathers meeting their grandchild for the first time. You, it's just, it's, it's just the craziest experience. Did you make new friends visiting him? Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah.

So one of my good friends who I'm still friends with. today, his name's Philip and his dad was in with my dad and he is a top-notch lawyer in D.C. He was with the arguably the largest firm in D.C. And then when it off, he went off and started up his own firm in the past year or two. And he and I, every time I go to D.C., we get together. And he was a saving grace during that time for me because, we would visit and then we just lived very like similar lives, right? I mean, granted, prison's there for a reason, okay? Like, I believe in law and order.

Some people need a time out for a little while. There, you have some big time drug dealers that have made their way down from these higher security prisons. You got people from all walks of life. and when I met Philip, it's like, all right, clean cut guy, like live similar lives, and we would schedule our visits. I mean, I would go every other weekend. Philip could only go like probably once a month just due to his work, schedule, and all

that, and we would schedule it to where we'd be there at the same time. We'd visit, then we'd leave. We'd always stay at like this same hotel. Then we'd go get dinner and just like have some normalcy, right? because even though they're in prison doesn't mean it has to all be bad. So I've made some lifelong friends from them being in and just getting to see the real world because I was so sheltered as a kid. So now getting to see how and I think learning to have more empathy for people who just

have a different life than you and have made a mistake but doesn't mean they have to suffer for it for the rest of their life. What shocked you the most specifically about your dad's prison sentence? Because after talking to him, he lived totally different than I lived. He lived like a king. Yeah. So for dad, I think at first it was tough for him. But then it would be hilarious because I would be in like visiting him.

And these guys would come up like gold grills, like big time drug dealers. God only knows what all these people have done in their life, right? And they'd be like, they'd use some choice words and be like, he's my whatever. And then they would all call him the mayor. Like they would all call him the mayor. I'm like, what has happened here? So like now you're just in here like running the prison. Like this is crazy.

And he had people doing everything for him. And I'd like told him, I was like, you do realize this is prison, right? Like not the four seasons. Like two totally different places, okay? Now, granted, it was still, we joke about it all the time, but he did have it. I mean, I don't ever want to say he had it hard, right? Because I know people who have been at really rough places, whether it be Terminal Island or MCC Brooklyn, Manhattan, all these horrible places.

But when it came to how staff treated him, he had one or two that were in his back pocket, right? But the rest were like out to get him. I mean, the warden wanted to have him shipped to a higher security place. She would take anything that I said and use it against him. So it, on that side of things, it was definitely tougher. And there was a lot of scary moments where he's like, I think I'm going to get shipped. They're talking about sending me to North Dakota, South Dakota, Yankton, where I was like, just shut up for a minute.

Like let it calm down and then we'll do what we need to do. But he definitely lived life a little bit. Was it interesting to see the vast difference between your mom's prison sentence and his? Yes. I think, unfortunately, just women have it way worse. There are way fewer facilities that house women than there are men. And her facility, I mean, his was bad, right? his had asbestos, lead-based paint, mold, all the things.

Unclean drinking water, Pensacola, right now. They're at the naval base. I've read multiple reports over the past few years of huge lawsuits because the drinking water isn't clean. It has led to an insane amount of cancer diagnosis and just autoimmune disorders. It's crazy. Just the conditions and the type of food. lack of food that these people are living in but my mom I mean her facility was on an old poppy

field and it was the building that she was in they actually used like I want to say in like 18 1900s to like test out uh psychiatric drugs on people and there was also drugs being grown on the grounds and so it actually pulls I had a correct officer tell me that he brought a testing strip, a drug testing strip to work and tested the water and drugs popped on the water because of just the building itself and the plumbing. And when you think about that, it's honestly sad and disheartening and to see like the MAP programs in these prisons and how they just drug the hell out of these individuals. You're not making them better.

You're not teaching them a better way of life. You're just putting them in a state of psychosis, so maybe it makes your job a little easier. And mom's facility, I mean, there was, it was awful. I mean, you had sewage in the kitchen, right? Like, crazy. But she made it out. She made the best of it. She was like your model inmate, as they like to call it.

And I'm so proud of her for how she went in and served her time and got the hell out of there. But it definitely, that's where the prison reform work comes in because I've seen it, right? And to see my mother living in conditions such as that. I'm like, no one should ever have to live in these conditions. and being a conservative, being a Republican, criminal justice reform has never been a hot topic for this party until Trump in 2016 implemented the First Step Act. He was like the first president in arguably decades that really did anything reformative for people in the federal prison system.

And I like to say, hey, if you're going to sit and say your pro-life, you can't pick and choose when you're pro-life, right? And that's, it's kind of been my biggest argument as of recently. Now, your dad and Chase told me that all the pressure to run the businesses, the family affairs, even your siblings was put onto you when they went to prison. What was that like emotionally and physically? I, honestly, I think I'm like suffering the physical effects from it now, honestly, because I was running on such adrenaline and I knew I had a goal that I had to meet and that was to get my

parents home and I was going to stop at nothing to get them home. And so I just, I mean, I was going. I think I was getting maybe three hours to sleep a night if I was lucky. And I was getting kids to doctor's appointments, schools, extracurricular activities, trying to make sure their life didn't change at all while still running my podcast, real estate, company, starting a new business, trying to do anything I possibly could to put food on the table, pay for a private school education. Like, it was not easy. At the very beginning, I was like, I don't know how I'm going to pay the bills this month.

Like, it was always a stretch for me because I was also paying for criminal defense lawyers to fight this combined 19 year prison sentence. So it was really tough, but now I think my body is finally like coming down off of all of it because it was a very traumatic experience and no one knows until you're in it. I like to tell my parents when they were in, I would get so frustrated with them because I'm like, I know it's tough in here, but all you have to worry about is what's in the walls of this prison, right? Like, you're not having to deal with kids getting in trouble, sicknesses, putting food on the table, making sure bills are paid, keeping a roof over the head. Like,

you're not having to worry about any of that. So with all due respect, I know it's tough in here, but you have no idea the pressure that's on the outside world. Tell us about that journey of actually being able to get them released from prison from the time they went into prison to the evolution that, you know, the public saw. I remember watching your social media evolve and just from that outsider's perspective, but it was obviously very different from your lens.

Yeah. So I definitely spoke a lot on my parents' communication. the wrongdoings, the illegal actions taken by the government in order to obtain the convictions. But I also pivoted to prison conditions as well because my eyes were open to it. And I 110% cared about, cared and still do care about the individuals who are behind those prison walls who are being mistreated, sexually assaulted, not consuming proper food, not getting proper medical treatment, mental health treatment. But I also selfishly knew that I had to pivot and not just speak on the wrongdoings

to my parents, but I had to speak about a mass group of people, which are the hundreds of thousands of people who are incarcerated. And that's what landed me, my first interview on Fox. And it was like a five-minute interview. And I mean, went viral, I think 100 million views. It was crazy. And I knew in that moment that that was going to get me to the end goal because it gave me enough exposing the corruption gave me more airtime to then tag on what had happened to

my parents, what I was looking for. And speaking about the prison conditions, being a huge advocate for the first. step act, second chance act. It got me noticed, I believe, by the president and his team. And they reached out and asked me to speak at the Republican National Convention. And in that moment, I knew I was on the right track. But also, they didn't get out. When I love, it's laughable because people will be like, oh, it's because she donated

to the Trump campaign or she slept with him. That's like the two things. It's the only reason mom and dad got pardoned, right? I guess for a woman to pay or sleep for it. I didn't have to do either, which is great. Now, granted, I would have. Like, I'm sorry, but when you're looking at a combined 19 years of federal prison and my life's being taken by fighting for them, raising kids, all these things,

trust me, if all that is what it took, I would have done it day one. And they would have been out day one of his presidency. But that wasn't how it happened. I had to work my ass off. I had to show up in D.C. when I was not invited. I showed up to the right place, the right time. I knew where politicians dined. I knew where they drank.

I knew what hotels they stayed at. And I showed up and I made myself known. I forced myself into rooms I was not invited into. And it took a while. I mean, they got pardoned in May of 25. So it was what a year? nine months after the president took office. Like it,

I mean, it took a while to make it happen. And I definitely felt like I had lost steam. I was told that it was going to happen. And then they got pulled from the list. And once they got pulled from the list, I was like, all right, I've done everything I can.

And then by the grace of God, Alice Johnson, President Trump, it happened in May. And I was just like eternally grateful. I honestly thought I was getting punked. And then I was like, wait, no, this is the president actually speaking to me.

Like, I'm good. Yeah, what was it like to get that phone call? It was so surreal. I've always said any interaction I've had with the president, I've met him three, four different times. And every time, it was like having a conversation with your dad. Like, it was someone who cared and wanted to know more and wanted to know injustices and wanted to know how correct it, but wanted to know, you know, you know,

all the details so that he could potentially correct it. And that just gave me so much hope. That's when I knew it was the right thing to do to come out and support him during the last campaign because it was like talking to a human, right? Like it wasn't like you were talking to the president. It's like you were talking to a friend. And I felt just how genuine he was when I met him at Mar-Lago. And it was just insane.

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to relay that message to your parents? Oh, it was, well, they found out about it. before I could even relay it to him because it hit the media immediately. The White House tweeted Trump knows best and with the video and photos of him signing the pardon paperwork and it spread like wildfire. I mean, my mom's call, like my phone's blowing up, obviously. Like literally my phone stopped working. I missed calls from my parents because everyone in the world was calling me. And then just to hear the excitement.

in their voice and just like the renewed hope and energy and like my mom hung up on me. She was so excited. She's like, she's like crying. She's like, okay, okay. I got to go. I got to go pack my stuff up. And I'm like, it just hangs up on me. It was like, what the hell?

Like, you just hang up on me? But it was, it was definitely all the hard work was worth it. I would do it 10 times over again. It's put me in the right rooms with the right people. I've created such lifelong friendships with people, you know, Lynn Patton, who's worked for the president for 17 years, I think it is, before he ever ran for president. One of my dearest friends. And I just, I'm just so grateful for everything that it has brought my way. Even though it was tough, you, I have learned that you find some of your biggest blessings and the toughest moments of

life. You know, we always talk about what the, what a mom and dad will do for their child. And it's so interesting to see a perspective of what a child would do for their mom or dad. Yes, without a doubt. I mean, I, I am a loyalist, like, die hard loyalist. So I will fight to the end. And I think that's maybe why it's hard for me to connect with and like have really close intentional friendships. Because there's a lot of people out here that would not do what I did. And it's hard for me to not have, like, those die-hard, loyal as people in my life. What was that first conversation like with your parents when they finally got freed? You guys are all home as a family.

Chase gets sober, all of that. So that's the thing. It's like, God knew what he was doing when he did it. I mean, even from the first time I heard pardons were happening to it getting. and then it being a month or two later, there was so much that happened in that month or two that, like, I met with the director of the Bureau of Prisons who reached out to me and was like,

I want to know what this information is that you have. I don't care if it gets out, let it get out to the public, but I want to correct it. Would you be willing to work with me? I would have never gotten that call to meet with him if the pardons happened the first time I was told they were going to happen. So I'm just so grateful that it didn't happen the first time and that it happened when it did. But getting my parents, I mean, I picked up dad and it was just so surreal.

Like, just wrapping my arms around and been, no, like, all right, you're going with me. Like, you're, the last time I was here, I dropped you off. Now I'm picking you up. And it was a full circle moment. We went to Pizza Hut and drove home. And literally, I was throwing up on the way home. because my adrenaline, I had just been, because the part of paperwork got signed the day before, the prison was giving me a hard time about letting him out.

I went outside in front of the prison, did a full-on press conference with all the media that was sitting there. I got on the phone with the White House because the order clearly stated they must be released immediately. And I fought like hell. And so I think my adrenaline was just like so high that I was finally all the years worth of work and anger and frustration, anxiety was like all coming down. And I was so sick the entire car ride home. How will you recover emotionally and physically from this ordeal that took up so many

years of your life? Prime years, you know, the middle of your 20s. I know, right? When you're supposed to be like living, living your life, looking the best you've ever looked. Um, no, I, I definitely, I've done a lot of therapy. I'm a huge believer and it's okay to not be okay. go, it takes a really strong person to say, like, hey, I need some help. And so definitely a lot of therapy, but also now, like I said, I started back today working out. I'm working out five days a week, eight o'clock every morning, cutting out drinking out of my life. I've never had an issue with drinking, but I just, it makes me feel gross. I don't feel productive. I've gained like some for me, I've gained some weight.

And it's just living a healthier life, just being more intentional now, because now I don't have the excuse of, oh, well, I'm fighting for my parents and I'm doing this and I'm doing that and I don't have time. I don't have that excuse anymore. So now it's time to like hold myself accountable and be the absolute best that I can be.

And I'm now just, it's weird, like not caring for people. So I now have time to actually scale my business, good girl RX and it's doing phenomenal. I mean, I have not had to get any funding for it. It's running itself and it's like, it's just such a blessing just to see where my life's at now. And I feel so happy and so whole and so fulfilled. And I like give God all the glory. And when it comes to Chase, I've never been so proud.

he and I went through a very, very rough few years. And it was so hard for me as his sister to see him in the state that he was in. And then also me have all the pressure that I had on me and not getting the help from him that I could have used. But he had to go what he had to go through at that time. And now he is as healthy as he's ever been. He is so funny. He's like such a joy to be around. We've literally spent all day together.

yesterday. He like helped me take Christmas stuff to my storage. He went to the grocery store with me and he'll like blow off friends now if he had plans with them and he's like, oh no, I'm hanging with my sister. And like that's his favorite line. It's like dad'll take him. Dad'll be like, hey, like you want to go to this? And he goes, hold on. I got to call you back. And then he'll call me and be like, hey, are you wanting to hang out today or no? And then he calls dad back and he's like, oh, sorry, I can't hang on with my sister. And it's hilarious. Like, I'm just so grateful for our relationship and how close we are now and to see just how he's had a, he's just evolved into the person that I always knew he was. And it's just, I'm forever grateful mom and dad came home

when they did because that snapped him back into gear. What do you think is the biggest life lesson this whole experience has taught you? Gosh, don't ever think it can't happen to you. right like i grew up so privileged i was very toned up to the system um and i didn't think it could happen to us and it did so don't ever think you're too good for something bad to happen to you and also fight for what you believe in it would have been very easy for me to take a step back and just bury my head in the sand and escape from the world but i didn't because i knew that that I had to stand up for what I believed in. I didn't care who I lost along the way.

I lost what I thought were lifelong friends. And I'm fine with that because I stood for what I believed in. Well, Savannah, I appreciate you coming on the show today. Thank you. You're awesome. Thank you. Yeah, you're awesome too. Definitely, I think I'm going to go with my favorite out of the Crisleys.

Yes, see, I knew it. I knew it. Todd will be second. Okay. Chase is third. Okay, it's okay. Only because Chase took a little bit to open up. Yeah.

He's not used to it. Chase is a little shy. Yeah, but now me and him are cool. He rips me all the time now. Shocker. But it's good to get to know him, you know. He's awesome. Yeah, definitely.

And you're awesome too. Thank you.