Locked In with Ian Bick - The Brutal Reality of Pennsylvania Prisons | Shaun Duguay

Episode Date: June 24, 2025

Ex Inmate Shaun Duguay shares his powerful story of growing up with childhood trauma, battling severe mental health issues, and falling into a cycle of addiction and crime that led to multiple felonies and time in Pennsylvania state prison. In this interview, Shaun talks about the emotional struggles that came before prison, the shocking violence he witnessed behind bars, and the wild stories from the years he spent incarcerated. He also opens up about the moment everything changed — and how he rebuilt his life from the ground up. A must-watch for anyone interested in true crime, addiction recovery, mental health, and second chances. #PrisonStories #AddictionRecovery #MentalHealthAwareness #TrueCrimePodcast #LifeAfterPrison #ChildhoodTrauma #SecondChances #LockedInPodcast Thank you to SHADY RAYS for sponsoring today's episode: Get 35% off polarized glasses at https://shadyrays.com/ - code LOCKEDIN Connect with Shaun Duguay: https://popl.co/card/qXmyHx1J/1/s Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://convictclothing.net/collections/convict-clothing-x-ian-bick Timestamps: 00:00:00 Shawn Doogie: From Trauma to Transformation 00:07:30 Childhood Fear and Trauma 00:16:52 Confronting Childhood Trauma 00:25:45 Reflecting on 17 Years: Family and Friendship 00:34:46 The Tragic Accident of Tim Skipper 00:44:47 First Time Experience in Jail 00:53:51 Confrontations and Consequences in Prison 01:04:52 Escaping Domestic Violence 01:13:41 Early Life and Incarceration 01:22:40 Sentenced to Prison at 24 01:32:17 A Journey Through Solitary Confinement 01:41:29 Life as an OG Productive Felon 01:51:15 Identity Theft While Incarcerated 02:00:33 A Violent Encounter in Prison 02:09:49 Unexpected News: Pregnant at Sixteen 02:20:28 Addressing School Accountability Issues 02:28:27 Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors with Sean Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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whose life spiraled from childhood trauma and mental illness into addiction violence and a string of felonies. In this episode, Sean takes us inside the chaos, wild prison stories, mental breakdowns, and near-death moments before revealing how he finally turned it all around. Sit back, relax, and get ready to be locked in. Sean, welcome to Lockton, man. It's a pleasure. You are my first guest that I'm interviewing in four months. The pressure is on. I think the pressure's on me. We've got to make sure I still got the interview skills. A lot of our audience probably doesn't even realize that I've been gone for four months unless they were looking at my social media where I did a post the other day.

But I had about 70 episodes banked up before I left. And for people wondering, I did a really cool project that will be coming out on YouTube in August. And I'll tell you guys all about it once it comes out. But just wanted everyone to know I was away for the last few months. Thank you to my team for running things. And this is the first interview. And I also just want to let everyone know that episodes will be coming out back to five days a week now that I'm back. I just had to stretch them out now since I was gone to make everything last, but there'll be five episodes a week.

And they will be coming out quicker. So we're recording this episode right now. It'll come out next week. So it'll be a quick turnaround time because sometimes I realized I was recording episodes months in advance. I was backed up. and we would be talking about, say, Christmas, and it would come out in July, you know, or June. Christmas in July? Yeah, so this episode will come out next week, so it's about a week in between new episodes just to give the audience some clarity on that.

But yeah, I'm excited to get, be back in the studio. I'm excited you're my first guest, and thanks for being understanding for rescheduling, because so many people were on my schedule that we had to push and get it all figured out. But I promise you guys, this project that's coming out is going to be massive. and I can't wait to share it. But yeah, let's make this less about me and give you the floor. It's good to see you here, man.

You have an incredible story, and I'm glad you could be my first interview. Thanks, thanks for having me. I mean, Connecticut is a beautiful state. I mean... You've been exploring it the last couple days, right? Yeah, I come in Saturday. Actually, I hit your assistant up for best place to go for pizza,

and I ended up at Stanziados. Yes, dude. Listen, please. Listen. I've got a, we've got a pizza shop in Ambridge that is, that's fairly new in their woodfire pizza. I've got to see if they have a vodka sauce with pepperoni. And the hot honey, that's not something I've ever had with pizza. And it just, my server was Owen.

Oh, and did you tell them you were coming on the show? I did not. Oh, okay. I kind of tend to stay low-key, you know. It was just I explored and just getting the vibe to see how the area was, and I like it. I actually, yesterday I drove down through Washington Depot. I went out to, I'm going to butcher it. It's a state park, Lakeau, Wasamog.

I couldn't tell you, but I can't tell you. I could tell you. I went out there and I walked around the lake and up into the woods and stuff. And I ended up, a black bear came down and ran across the road. And it just, it hurtled the guardrails. And I was just like, I don't know, I don't know if there was a ledge there or not, but he was trucking. Yeah. That's awesome.

I'm glad you can make a few days out of it. It's always cool to hear about the guest experience. There's a lot of guests that come out this way. They'll go to New York City for a few days if they're coming from West Coast or Central. And then it's where a short drive away. So we have a good location. You know, I was thinking about moving to a different state with the studio. I was like, but then you miss out on the good New York, PA, New Jersey, Massachusetts stories.

So I feel like this is home base for a while. And we put so much effort into the studio. We're really making it like, you know, nice for when our guests come, like, you know, just with snacks, refreshments. You got it loaded out there, man. Yeah, we got it loaded. It's loaded. Yeah, we definitely got it loaded. Woo energy?

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We will talk more about them later in this episode. So, Sean, did you grow up in Pennsylvania? I did. Well, I grew up in Central PA. I grew up in a small town called Mill Creek, and that's in Huntington County. It's about a half hour south of Penn State main campus. And I went to school in Huntington, and then when I was a teenager, we ended up moving to Lycombein County, Williamsported home in the Little League World Series.

And I lived there until I was 17 and kind of ran away from home and moved back with my grandma and my uncle. and I finished my last two years of school and ended up not graduating. I ended up in a car accident. I died March 19th of 2000. I got T-boom by a minivan. Told my family to come say goodbye, man. And I collapsed my right lung.

My insides was filling up. And whenever I come to, A couple days later, my uncle was beside me. And my mom was on the other side. And I hadn't talked to my mom in a couple of years prior to that. And I'd take care of my mom now. Let me back up a little bit. Just get right to the meat of this.

So I am a huge mental health advocate. and it starts with addressing childhood trauma. And believe it or not, until I was 15 years old, I was terrified of people that had Down syndrome. When I was six years old, my babysitter told me if I didn't perform oral on her, she was going to feed me to the Mongloids. And I asked what that went. what's that and it was a fellow that was in our area his name was uh i'm not going to say his name

but he had down syndrome and she said that they were like trolls and they lived under the bridge and they ate kids and she had him chase me around this parking lot and eventually i gave in And ever since then, until I was like 15 years old, I was terrified to death of people that had Down syndrome. I was, I didn't spend a lot of time with friends. I got, I would sneak out and go play with my friends. I was the kid that would wet his pants rather than go home and go to the bathroom because I knew I wasn't going to be able to come back out. I just, I just went while I was playing. And just looking back at it, it's like I really tried to fit in, but I knew I was different.

And not a lot of people saw the, well, a lot of people did see the behind the scenes. But it was tough because I had a stutter when I was a little dyslexic. dyslexia is actually more than just reading and seeing numbers and words backwards. It's actually communication in the way you communicate. I just resurfaced on that a couple of a little over a year ago going through therapy talking with my therapist and I got to talking with my mom about my speech therapy and every day. when I was a kid from the dyslexia. And I would get frustrated. I would get frustrated.

I'd get angry because the way I'm trying to communicate, it's kind of like talking with somebody that has autism. They kind of can't control. They have ticks. And I say things that I'm trying to explain, but somebody takes it and they flip it to, they think that I'm trying to say something else and I can't find the words to correct it. I get angry.

I get frustrated. And I would blow up and just be angry and aggressive. And that's the way I was my whole life up until a couple years ago and able to address, you know, hey, communication, constructive communication, calm communication. Because when you're yelling and screaming, all, it's the one that's hyping everybody else up. and it's making the situation worse. But it, uh, I had some friends that I got close with, you know, and, uh, some family, my cousin Matt.

We, uh, my friend Joe, two of my friends, both Joe's, and, uh, my cousin Matt, my cousin Joe had made a raft. This is going to get, uh, for Boy Scouts. And we were taking it down to the creek to see if it would float. It was him, my cousin Matt and myself, and then our other friend Joe had rode his bike up. And we were carrying this raft down to the creek. And my cousins and her parents were coming home from getting cleats.

My cousin Michelle was a softball superstar. She was a freshman. Getting ready to start softball season. It was good Friday, April 1st, 1994. And they stopped and asked what we were doing and told them what we were going. We were going down to the creek, and Michelle had asked if she could go.

Her dad and mom said to go ahead, and they were going to get down to the fire hall and signed a book. And before they pulled away, they told us to stay away from the train tracks. We went down, we went under the underpass, went back through the woods. We got to the creek right there at the Juniata River, and they put the raft in the water. And my cousin Michelle, she's like, that thing is going to sink.

And we were all, it's not going to sink. Joe God won it, and it went lopsided, and it ended up sinking. And we heard a train coming. And rather than going back out through my cousin Matt and our friend Joe that was on the raft, they ended up going up the side and they ran along the other side of the tracks and down around the other side of the underpass and the other friend Joe, he went up in front of me and he crossed the tracks. And Michelle come up and she was in front of me and I was behind her and we got to the top.

She was like, you owe me $5 when we get home because she bet me five, I better $5. I was like, I said, I'll give you monopoly money. She said, bullshit. She said, you're going to give me that $5 or I'm going to break your nose, and she would have done it. And I asked her if she was going to go with Matt and Joe, or she was going to go with me and Joe. And she said she was going to go with Matt and Joe.

And I crossed the tracks. and I turned and I saw her start and she went like this and I went I went like this pointed to the other side of the underpass to where Matt and Joe went I don't know if she thought that I meant they crossed or what but she started running parallel and she tripped and she fell and when she went to get out of the way the train hit her and it was like the whole world stopped man i just i turned and i ran with everything i had i ran down the side of the embankment i ran up main street it was probably it was a little over a quarter mile to to our nans house where my Aunt Candy and my Uncle Jeff were,

and I walked in the doors, the tones started going off on the scanner, and it was Company 20's tones, and I said Matt, Joe, and Michelle got caught on the tracks, and then it came over the scanner, pedestrian-verse train. My uncle Jeff ended up being the one to identify my cousin Michelle, The things that people said to me for six months after that, I blamed myself for a lot of years and the bullying.

When I got home that night when that happened, that was possibly the worst ass-wopin I ever got in my entire life. my mom wore my ass out and we've talked about it the last couple of years we've talked about a lot of stuff you know so i kind of you know i forgive her i understand you know she shared with me what it was like growing up with my grandfather come to find out my great grandfather did life in Maine for homicide love triangle you know my grandfather had a Some tissues right there for you. Oh, yeah.

There we go. Thank you. Of course. And the ass weapon. I didn't miss a day of school, though. I didn't need an ass. I needed a hug. You know, childhood trauma, you know, seeing stuff like that.

In our community, I mean, we got kids out there, you know. Two years ago when I went on a mission trip to California, right before we come home, there was a 15-year-old kid executed in the middle of the street by two other kids. What's our country coming to? You know, mental health,

you know, getting the, you know, getting out of the streets, getting out of the system. And on my mom's birthday, 1994, October, 23rd, I hung myself in her closet and the rope broke. I used yarn and I laid there. It was a, I can't, I can't even describe it. I mean, I can, but I don't want to because it's, it's, you know, it's graphic. And as a survivor,

I'm grateful that the method failed. And then when people saw the marks, actually, I accused my uncle, false accusation. CYS come in. I was afraid. And there was no mental health help in the 90s. in counseling, there was nothing like that. And honestly, if there would have been, just to say things might have not have turned out.

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A little differently. Do you think if your mom responded to that death differently instead of reprimanding you and, you know, giving you love, things could have turned out differently as well? Maybe. I don't know, though. You know, those are things that I struggled with for a lot of years, you know. I grew up, I didn't, I didn't know my biological father growing up. Him and my mom went separate ways when I was about five months old. I actually found my biological dad nine days before I got out of jail in 2004, or 2002,

when I saw as obituary in a newspaper. my cellmate was my nephew didn't know it he actually did this tattoo we'll get to that later on what did your mom tell you about your dad growing up was she honest with you about I didn't know until I was 15

and then I started asking questions and then growing up I actually I knew my aunt, my dad's sister. I knew her because we would see her at the laundromat. When we would go to the laundromat, I would see her. I'd see my aunt Mary. She actually just passed away May 27th. And her husband, my uncle Bill, but I had a cousin, their son. I'd never met him until my grandma passed away right before I went back to prison. She passed in December of 2004, and I went to her funeral.

And, yeah, it was 2004 when my dad passed. January 2nd of 2004, and my grandma passed in December the same year. And I was able to attend her funeral service, and that was when the first time I met my brother Matt. He's a couple years older than me. He's got a birthday coming up. He's going to be 47. And it was like there was a lot of questions that they had.

I come to find out I was one of a lot of siblings. And growing up, I only knew my younger sister. So that was a, it was a whole adventure. You know, I got to meet my oldest brother Bobby one time. He actually, he passed in February of 2017. He got hit by a car working. working for PennDOT and Altoona during an ice storm. He was actually honored by Governor Wolf at the time.

So, but sorry, I squirled there. No, no, you're good. Now, as a teenager going through these traumatic events, did you have goals, dreams? Did you think about your future at all? I wanted to play baseball, man. I wanted to play baseball. I wanted to play baseball.

That was my passion. Baseball and wrestling. I started 1987 watching Starcade, watching the Legion of Doom in the scaffold match with the Midnight Express. That was pretty awesome. And I always had just a thing for wrestling and baseball. That was, but I really, that was what I wanted to do when I was ordered. I wanted to play ball.

I wanted to be a firefighter. I wanted to help people. But then I took a turn. You know, I always love hearing about what the person wanted to do before they did the thing or became addicted or went to prison or anything because it shines light that we're all human. And even before those bad decisions or bad experiences, we all think alike in a way. We all have dreams and goals and aspirations. even before there's a rock bottom or you're even thinking a rock bottom, you know?

And you also don't know at the time that, say, the incident with your babysitter triggers everything and can lead to everything and it led, you know, to the train incident and then going further along into the story, it makes you realize how those dreams can disappear very quickly and life can turn on you.

And I think we all have to remember that more before we judge someone else. It is, you know, because you don't know what somebody else is going through at home. You know, you see somebody acting out. There's something going on. And it's a, all it is is communication, you know, using real AI, attention and intention. You know, that's what I've been focusing on this past year and a half using real AI.

You know, I'm really focusing on addressing mental health with not only with myself, but, you know, helping other people. You know, Saturday on my drive out, I actually got a little bit of a late start. And as I was coming across 80, I have a tattoo on my leg for somebody who was my best, was one of my best friends through my early teenage years. Robbie Prentice. His little brother, the last time I saw his little brother on his birthday, he was 12 years old. So on June 13th of 2008, I returned to SCI Rockview. And that was where I was going to spend the next four and a half years. Well, that was the start of my next four and a half years. But driving out, his brother hit me up and he's like, hey, you know, we're having my you know, my birthday was yesterday, we're having a little party down in Danville.

Send me the address. It was literally round trip. It was a 22-minute detour off of my path to here. So I was like, you know what? I pulled up. I got there 15 minutes before he did. And I stayed until 3.30. And I spent three and a half hours, you know, just getting to visit and catch up with, you know,

extended family that is not blood, but they've, they've been there. You know, we've been through a lot together. You know, Robbie actually, he passed in March of 2009, 26 years old, asthma attack. So I just went back to prison, so I wasn't able to be there. So it's been, it's been 17 years since I, uh, since I went back to prison and it was just like, dang, you know, to see,

to really reflect over the last 17 years in 2017, I actually married CJ, my little brother, I married him and his wife. And to see them, you know, yesterday, it was like, all right, this is, this is awesome. You know, so him and I are actually, we're getting a matching tattoo. We're getting, uh,

Or his brother Robbie, his name was Weebbs. It was his nickname. And they've got a little logo for him. We're going to get a matching tattoo with that logo whenever, probably towards the end of the summer here. When did your life start to turn away from the life you had envisioned as a kid? When I was nine, man. When everything that I wanted, I was already on that path of destruction. You know, it's just, it just continued that hard, that hard angle through the rough, you know, it was like, so I, it really, I never was really on track until after I come home from prison in 2012.

And then I knew then that I needed to make a change. I knew I needed to change the people. I needed to change the places. I needed to change the things. And I did that. And I ended up in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. And that's where I've been since February 15, 2013. And more so since COVID did I really get direction,

but I've really locked in the last couple of years on identifying who I am and I am a human being. You know, I tell my wife all the time, you know, I feel like John Sina. You know, the whole, you can't see me, but right now, everybody sees John Sina. Because John Sina is doing something that he's never done. John Sina is a heel. everybody sees them but everyone's still let's go seeina Sina sucks you're gonna have that

some people I understand I'm not everybody's cup of tea some people I might be a cup of coffee some people I might be Mountain Dew yeah not everyone's gonna love you you know exactly I read a quote in a book I was reading about how you know, 50 million, 100 million people vote for the president of the United States. And out of that, half of the population that voted doesn't like the candidate that got elected. So when you look at that, that's the most powerful, you know, position to say in the world.

And 50 million people don't like you or hate you or despise you or don't agree with you. I hate politics. Just even, I mean, you have literally every aspect of life you have politics. And just like being locked up, you have politics, you know. Little League, there's politics there. Politics, it starts, you know, really look back. Politics start when you're a kid. You're a coach.

You coach because you want your kid to play. And that was one thing I didn't have. I didn't have that. I had talent. I was fast as a kid. My first, I'll never forget, my first two years, playing a little league, I couldn't hit for nothing. My hand-eye coordination was trash.

But what I could do, I had hustle. During tryouts at nine years old, I tried out for the outfield. Every ball they threw up in the air, I tracked it. I'd slide to make the catch. I never played Farm League. I got drafted to Little League at nine years old, and I played for the Expos. First year it was either

strike out, walk, or get hit by pitch. And it was my second year when I got my first hit. My very first hit was actually a double. I'll never forget it. And I still on second base and I jumped. I was, yeah.

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What was happening in your life after high school? Well, I didn't graduate high school. I actually, my senior year, I was in my car accident, March 19. to 2000, I was enlisted in the Army, actually. I went to the late entry program. And I just, I wasn't going to school. And I knew I wasn't going to graduate. I had no respect for authority.

I skipped class. I'd just walk around the school. I'd leave. and then I was in my car accident. I wasn't able to participate in sports. So, and I played baseball or senior year, actually. I ended up not playing baseball my senior year, and our team ended up winning the first ever team state championship

in our school history. And those were all guys I grew up with playing in Little League. but I was in my car accident March 19th of 2000, which was my senior year. Our football coach, Coach Zalzig, his son, Tyler, actually passed away in a car accident a year prior to my accident. So it was still pretty fresh of losing Tyler Zalzig. And he was on his way to the school.

They had a basketball game. He was driving to the school when he lost control of his car. And that was in February of 2009. And then March of 2000 was my accident. Me and my friend Tim Skipper, he was like my childhood best friend, one of my childhood best friends. Like we grew up together. and he ended up in a he got killed a couple years ago.

I actually just got a notification yesterday. The guy appealed his sentence and they upheld it for involuntary manslaughter. I forget what they gave in the game. They gave him like 13 to 40 years or something like that. But he, I think he staged it to do that intentionally. he set in a during the trial he set an a or up by the door

and when they started talking he pulled the gun and Tim grabbed the barrel and he shot him in the leg and then shot he shot him three times and all Tim did was he was trying

to get the guy to slow down he was speeding up the lane they got younger kids small kids you know he come a long way too. You know, he was like myself in and out of prison, got it together.

He was working in the oil field. He was drilling and taking care of his family. And then that happened. So we did, you're getting, you're getting something right here. Because this is something that I've really never talked about. And this was right after getting in with the, you know, this stuff. was right after high school, you know, when I was, I got my first charge at 18. I was charged with 43 felonies.

The first time you went out swinging. So, as I said, I was a big wrestling fan, and my uncle was more like my dad growing up. And when I took off at 17 and I come back to Huntington, I wanted to go to Monday Night Raw with him at the Bryce Jordan Center. It was like the second time they were there. This was in 99. And so I used his bank card and ordered tickets for us to go. The mail come and he ended up getting them and he was pissed.

Looking back now, I understand. But at the time, I was, my mindset was, I want to spend time with you. He was a truck driver. So he took the tickets, said we wouldn't go. And, well, I ended up finding the tickets. I took the tickets. And I ended up taking one of my friends from school. And we went to Monday Night, we all together.

And then I, I was, I just, I was so angry that I wanted that time with him. I used his bank card 42 more times. I just wiped out 2,000, just little stuff, stupid stuff, you know, wiped out a little over 2 grand. And then when the bills went to come out and the money wasn't there, he reported it. And they come and they asked and I took accountability. and they charged me with

43 felony three access device fraud I pled guilty to one count and they null Pross the other 42 and I got three years of probation lo and behold

that three years of probation was about to turn into it's almost 15 over 15 years because I I didn't understand understand. I'd never been, at this point, I'd still never been to jail. And then, uh, I had fines.

I got, uh, I took a, a friend of mine to go get taillights for his sister's car. We went to the salvage yard. He paid the guy $40. He told us to go down to the garage, down along Route 22, and take the taillights off of the Corsica that was in the back. We go, down. We take, we're back here taking the taillights off and there's a restaurant, pizza shop, OIP, right next door. And then the guy, that guy, the owner, he comes over and next thing you know, the state cops are there. And the guy come down and he's like, well, dude, you just told us to come down here and get these. We just gave you the $40. We ended up getting charged with theft. And they charged me with corruption of minors because they got,

My friend Brandon I went with was 17. I was 20. And it's like, hold up. But I ended up putting me on probation there. I got a year of probation. So now it's four years total? So, no, they ran that concurrent with the three. And then I had fines, but I didn't pay the fines.

So eventually the constable showed up at my uncle's house. Mark E. Wald comes out years later. that he's dirty and I kind of figured as much because he came at me, he came to my uncle's house for my fines and they were taking me to jail in Mifflin County and or I could make a buy for them. And what do you mean? My uncle was like, you need to do it. And he said that he wanted my friend Tim.

And I was like, okay, so I called Tim. And we ended up having me come over to meet up with him at his cousin's house and his uncles. And lined everything up. and then a couple of days later, I'd come through, and when we met, I met with E.Wald and the task force. I'm listening to them. They wanted me to go in. I was making a buy for an ounce of weed and a gram of Coke.

That Grandma Coke wasn't going to the evidence room. So when I went in and I made the buy, I had them pinch that bag. So they, they wasn't getting that Coke. They had to submit that for evidence. And when it come time to go to court and everything, there was, he told me when I got on the stand, not to say anything about the Coke, guess what I did? I said about the Coke. And that was something I never had a chance to talk with Tim's cousin about Tim and I.

I mean, after that, after I made that buy, they knew. They all knew because it was, I ended up, we all ended up drinking the one night. I drank almost a half gallon of vodka. I think it was I put my hand through a window and I actually cut my it just wouldn't quit bleeding Tim's cousin Jeff

drove me up to the hospital dropped me off I remember being all drunk and I ran into the hospital blood just gushing out of my hand they ended up calling the Huntington PD I was on probation and here I am.

I'm underage. I'm smashed. I'm bleeding. Judge. He's a judge now, but at the time he was an officer, it was Rufus Brennaman and Officer Buckley. I remember coming to, they had me detained.

I was cuffed to the bed. I said I was going to throw up. I remember leaning over. I puked all over Rufus. his shoes. I woke up the next afternoon, like 6 o'clock in jail. This was my first time ever in jail. So you still end up in jail even though you testified against?

I hadn't testified at this point. This was, I had just, the buy was a month prior. Okay. So there wasn't even an arrest yet. So I find my. myself in jail. I'm on probation. I have no idea what's going on. I wake up in the afternoon and I'm on the floor on a mat or his jumpsuit in the holding cell. And there's another guy in there, Cosmo Kramer, great dude. That was the first time I ever met him and ended up. He was one

of those guys. I haven't talked to in years. Actually, I think he might have passed away. but he was another drunk guy. Well, they got me up at some point, and my wrist was all bandaged up. I had three stitches, and they put me out on the main cell block. They opened the gate, and there was a guy. He's home now, but he was getting ready to go to prison for murder.

He was, at the time, he was a friend of a lot of my family, and he saw me. He was like, Sean Dugay. They put me in cell 10 with a dude that I went to school with. He died a few years ago. I ended up when I first went upstate, this dude ended up going upstate with me. But he was a sex offender. He died a few years ago.

He actually drowned in like six inches of water, car accident. Wow. And they put you in the cell with him. They put me in the cell with him. with him and I had been sewed up with him throughout my duration a few times I mean it came to a point where he slept on the floor by the gate by your doing or at one point you know I kind of felt bad because he was he was he was mentally retarded and looking back there was there was a lot of things that was done to him when he was a kid that you know

makes me wonder, you know, is that something that, you know, it's something I, it's something I, I, I, I despise sex offenders and pedophiles, but at the same time as somebody who was a victim of sexual assault as a child, I want to know what makes them. What makes you tick? You know, what a lot of people don't want to talk to those kind of guys. In 2011, right before I come home, the Department of Corrections in Pennsylvania instituted a new program that focused on mental health. And it was the peer support specialist. One of the other guys, he actually, he just come home last year, maybe a little over a year ago. He was a juvenile lifer. When the laws changed, he was able to come home.

He's got a successful business. He actually just found out they're having another daughter. Congratulations to Carl Lee. And he was another guy who went through that. And him and I more so worked the special needs unit where a lot of the sex offenders were. I'm trying to understand. and what makes these guys think the way they do. You know, what happened to you as a child?

You know, I see JD delay. I see, you know, I get it. A lot of those guys are sick, twisted individuals. But sometimes you got to think, was that sick stuff done to them? Is this what they think is right? you know what I mean Yeah I mean I think

I mean there's that way to look at it And then there's the also issue of so many people Like yourself have had you know sick things done to them But don't become the monster themselves Don't become that monster So you know we want to feel in a way You know when you when you break it down the way you're doing You you do feel some type of feelings for these individuals

Where it happens to and then they become that monster, but also at the same time, there are people that don't become that monster. So why should you feel bad for the people that do when they have the opportunity? So it's kind of like that line, you know? Yeah. And I see so much hate in the world on sex offenders. And I get that 100%. I mean, hey, that hate is warranted.

But a lot of times you got to look a little deeper. Yeah. Yeah. And really dig down into the route, you know, in a lot of those cases. Some of those guys had some stuff done to, like, Byers, man, Bobby Byers, man, he had, he had it rough in there. And there was a dude he was in the cell with, he'd come out to one night for Chow. He was wearing his shower shoes. The lieutenant, and he was a C.E.

I don't even know what his rank is now, but this corrections officer was in a hole. And I kind of get it. If you're from Huntington, you'll know who he is because his parents and his family were actually held hostage by an escaped inmate from SCI Huntington when he was a kid. so he became a CEO and he just he treats guys like he treated guys like crap when I was in there

but we were going through the chow line and he told Byers he's like Byers where's your boots? He said someone's shit in my boot to see him Rhone goes over goes right into the cell comes back out he says

someone's shitting Byers's boot somebody took a dump in the dude's boot we know who did it but he never got in trouble it was it that's funny oh man but back to

the when my first night in jail so I sat nobody notified I don't think they notified probation so I only sat I sat 10 days and if you get put in jail on a probation detainer. They have 10 days to have you in front of a judge or they have to release you.

Nobody notified them. I was there. They had to release me after 10 days. That was the sign. They knew something was up and I refused to make another transaction. So they ended up using a family member of my relative. We called them Uncle Elvis. He ended up, got a hold of me. And they made two transactions on me with them. So being that I now refuse because you just did what you did, now I got two buys on me. And were you actively using at the time?

I was smoking weed. Very little. This was like when I very, like, I was just dabbling with weed at the time. And I drank, you know, I partied with, you know. And after the 10 days, and I got out. And then my buddy Justin, my boy Tim, his cousin, and two other guys, we ended up going out to this school. It was on a Sunday. We all got out.

I still playing ball. It was a little rough. I heard he had a feeling, you know, and then they all circled me. And they called me the snitch. And they told him Tim had to take care of it. He just started throwing. I took it. I took it.

I didn't throw not one punch. I took the ass whoopping. I earned that. and then after that everybody they just they disconnected you know over the years uh after that I ended up in jail with Tim and we ended up on the block together and at one point we ended up in solitary confinement together because we were just whaling out on the block you know it was crazy throwing spit balls at the bubble you know you know it was crazy throwing spit balls at the bubble you know you know just acting like assholes, car crashes, you know, that late night, rar, bam, slam the steel bunk, you know, just acting like young, dumb kids. And then we ended up in the holding the tank together and solitary. And that was when we actually got a chance to talk about it.

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anymore, but it's like when it come down to that, it was like, man, I'm all for doing the right thing, but I'll never do anything like that. That's, you know, hey, that I ruined a lot of friendships in the ripple effect of that, you know, because I was scared. I was afraid to go to jail. I was afraid to take accountability for my mess-ups. Now I stand on that. I stand on Jack. Justice, accountability, change, and knowledge. And that's why I'm doing what I'm doing right now.

And I shared with you a little bit about what I'm doing in PA right now. I don't want money. I want change. That's what we need. We need change because what's it's not. And what's being pushed isn't working. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's continuing. And I think the biggest epidemic and pandemic in our country isn't COVID.

I think it's mental health and suicide. That's the biggest problem in our country right now. The, the lack of addressing mental health. and especially when it comes to our youth, you know, the bullying is it's on a whole other level, you know. Everybody thinks social media is keyboard warriors. And if you're going to talk about it, be about it. Otherwise, just chill. Keep it moving.

Was your mom tough on you for getting arrested? just like she was tough on you for your cousin's death? I was worthless, man. Nobody wanted anything to do with me. Everybody, every time I'd go to jail, I'm done with you. I'm done with you. I don't want nothing to do with you. Through all of my incarcerations, my best friend, Brian,

was more so the one that was there. That was, he wrote faithfully. He was the one who come to visit. my brother Matt he come to visit a few times actually my first time when I made parole I actually attempted to go to Lancaster

and live with my brother and I didn't do it the proper way and state parole told me it back to Williamsport now or you're going back so I ended up back in Williamsport but my

my It takes me back, you know, to Memory Road, you know, just up right now I'm just like, I'm speechless because in my mind, I'm viewing the things from the past and it's like, I'm just walking right through it, you know, the storms of everything. But my first, yeah, I got my GD in jail. I'm all over the place, man. Your mom's reaction. My, yeah.

She actually, my stepdad was part of my problem that when I left at 17, you know, beat me up pretty bad. and it was all over getting a piece of wrong wire. I was 17. It was in July of 98. I was working my first job at McDonald's, and I worked the morning shift. Our dog, Jade, we had Rotweilers,

and Jade had just had a litter of pups, and they were putting them outside. We lived in the mountains, bro. When I say I Have you ever had anybody on that didn't have indoor plumbing? Maybe a couple of guys that had cabins but yeah, I know that live there consistent for a year. I'm not talking like a hunting cabin. I'm talking lived.

Yeah, I don't think so. Two years, a little over two years, we lived with my stepdad in the mountain. we had a outhouse about 30 yards from the house. We had no indoor plumbing. Our shower room was a 10-gallon pot. We got water from the creek. The water we drank, we got from about a half mile down the dirt road. I was terrified of the dark.

I grew up in town. And then I'm put into the mountains two years after my, you know, two years after my cousin. got killed and I was just I was afraid my punishment and my stepdad would drive me down the dirt road like a half mile and I would have to get two five gallon jugs water and I would have to walk home I run I get there he too I got there too quick he'd drive me a little further and I was a I was terrified. When I went out to go to the outhouse and there was a bear on our burning pile,

the motion light come on, and I saw it, I turned, I ran inside. I said there's a bear out there. And my stepdad come out. We had an old granada. It was like a rust brown color. They pulled it down, put the headlights on. My little sister was in the car crying. My mom's standing there.

My stepdad chased these two bear cubs up the tree. The mom is standing just to the right of the outhouse up on her hind legs. And I'm just like, I got to go to the bathroom. I didn't have to go after that. But to go outside at 1 o'clock in the morning and three feet of snow to take a pee, that was what it was like. You know, I went to school. I was known as the kid that showered in a crick.

And that was when my freshman year was when I met my best friend Brian, And actually, at first, he really didn't care for me. We didn't care for each other. And then he ended up out of school for several months. He had to have some surgeries, his gallbladder and stuff. And when he come back to school, he had jaundice. So his skin was, I mean, he was yellow. People made fun of him.

His friends made fun of him. And the one day I went up to him, And he thought I was going to say something slick and I didn't. And we just started talking and we struck up a friendship. He lived about a mile and a half away. About a mile down the road. It was about two miles because it was a mile down the main road and then a mile down another dirt road to get to the trailer court where he lived.

So I was able to go hang out with him. And the day when my stepdad got me for the last time. I actually called Brian and he ended up coming to pick me up up. I had blood running down my face when he picked me up. I walked. I finished my chores. I said I was going for a walk. I act like

I walked through the woods like I was going to go down the dirt road and I walked up across and I walked down the main road and I got picked up Brian picked me up about a mile and a half away and he's like, oh my God. We went back to his girlfriend's house and I called my I went to call my grandma.

and my uncle Dave ended up answering and he had my uncle Steve call me and we talked and he told me that he was going to have my aunt Lisa come get me and Brian was going to take me over to meet them at the truck stop. So my mom, I ended up, my mom ended up calling where we were, I called my mom and I told her I wasn't coming home. And then we hung up and then Rick called back and said he was on his way to come get me. And he hung up. I started freaking out.

So we left, me, Brian, and his girlfriend. We got in his car and we ended up going to Bloomsburg. And I went to a pay phone. And I called back out to my uncles and let them know that we moved on. And then late that night, my aunt and her friend come out and pick me up and drove me back to her place. And I stayed there. and then the next morning we went out to my uncles where him and my grandma lived and my grandma was at church at the time she didn't know I was there so I kind of hid and after she got in the house and she was sitting in her chair I went in and she was just like oh she was so happy to see and she turned the light on and she said what the hell happened to you so

we talked and she, uh, she gave me a choice. She said she was going to give me a week. And I could stay there with her and Uncle Steve, but I had to go back. I had to go to school. I had to finish school. Or I could go back with my mom up in the mountains. And it was probably three, four days,

the phone rang and I saw the number come up on the caller ID and I started panicking and my grandma answered the phone and it was my mom and she said she asked if my grandma had heard from me and she said no why

and I could hear my mom and she told her that Rick and I had had a little Tiff and I took off and nobody's been able to get a hold on me. And my grandma said, Kathy, I think that was a little bit more than a tiff. The bruises on my face, my shoulder, my back, and it was all over a piece of chicken wire. To set up a pen for our dogs. me to get the piece that wasn't rusty. I got the piece. There was two that weren't rusty. I didn't get the bigger one. I went back and I come up. I set it outside the house. I went in.

I was in, I was, I just climbed up into the loft. We had, uh, it was literally, it was a cab in the bedroom. My, my stepbrother had the bedroom. Uh, my mom and my stepdad, he built a bed in the living room that him and my mom slept on and then there was a loft over top in a living room my sister had one side i had the other side and i had just climbed up into the loft and i was changing out of my work clothes i still had my macdonald's uniform on and i heard him screaming for me so i climbed back down i go outside and he was walking up through the yard with his uh dragging the other piece of uh chicken wire. And when he got to the side of the house where I was standing, he let it go. He flicked a cigarette in my face and he said it was go time. He grabbed a hold on me, threw me into the house,

punched me in my face, grabbed a hold on me, threw me into the Plymouth Horizon. At that point, my mom come out and she come around the corner. And I looked as he grabbed me and she turned and went back inside. It took everything I had not to go inside and grab my 22. But I was afraid. I was afraid to fight back. Did you blame your mom for that?

For walking away? Sometimes I did. It was more so... It's more so not that I blamed her. It's just... I was wondering... I always wondered why. and, you know, talking with her over the years, you know, even though that's not something that

my grandfather did with my grandmother, it was something that he did with his children. And I don't know if, you know, if that was just the fear of her standing up and being afraid that it would happen to her. I don't know if he ever put his hands on my mom. I don't. But I know he put his hands on me. He knocked me out in the elevator at the hospital the day my mom got out of the psych ward. My sister and I, well, I'm not going to say he knocked me out, but he definitely rung my bell when I saw stars.

My sister pushed me back towards the elevator, and I pushed her, and he saw him. and when he saw it he turned and my mom my mom saw it and i think i think that was the only time that she ever said anything because she said knock it off and that was in williamsport you know and uh july of 2000 and uh that was in 98 july in 1998 in 1998 and then 2000 was my car accident and and then I didn't talk to my mom from July of 98 until my car accident. And that two years there was like there was nothing there. She didn't, my mom didn't know that I enlisted into the army. You know, there was no communication there.

I was, I always wondered why growing up without my dad, that's something that I never wanted for my kids. my uh my oldest daughter just turned 24 on june 1st and i got my my charge for the weed for for those sales were a week before my daughter was born i was in the huntington county jail they took me out that was when everybody got all their charges so when i went to my preliminary and uh we were all there so it was like it took the

man we got man I got way off topic because that's where we were at yeah so you're in your early 20s you're in and out of jail how many times were you in and out of jail for and what were kind of some of the offenses always probation violations

retail theft I was a I was a thief man I just I wanted what I wanted and I didn't care a lot of It was more so gassing and going. You know, part of this, everybody having to prepay for their gas, I'm sorry that I'm part of the reason for the prepaying.

So tell us about gassing and going. It was actually a week before my car accident. Me and my cousin met, we actually road trip to Brattleboro, Vermont. We gassing go the whole way. So I would pull in. We would fill up. we'd pull out gone. I got pulled over.

I got caught a few times. They charged you with retail theft. But that was what I did. I would pull up to a gas station. And the one time I ended up, my buddy Jesse at the time, he knew what I was doing. He didn't want to be in the truck, though. So he went to AutoZone.

I drove down the road. I got gas. I pulled out. They must have car. called and I saw the the cops and they turned around so I tried to lose the cops and ended up getting pulled over and while we're at the PSP we're going over this he calls us trucking stolen I said oh no and he ended up he ended up admitting it he come out I took I ended up beaten the charge. You know, I'm the one who went and did what I did, but bro, I didn't steal

your truck. So, but I did, uh, I did steal a car once. I stole it from in front of the county jail. A cop car? No. Uh, actually, I just talked to the guy the other day. Uh, he, uh, his name's Brian. Uh, I was there on work release and I was going to work. And I was going to one day and I was walking and he was on work release. He's like bro, he's like, you want to ride? And I'm like, we get in the car and I'm like, and I'm thinking I'm like, they didn't give you keys whenever we were leaving. And I'm like, yo, how? He's like, mind your business. No problem. Drop me off and I ended up getting out of jail and it's probably about four months later. this was in May.

Actually, we talked about this. I was out with some friends in State College, and we just partying, and we got back to Huntington to this girl's house. And I just wasn't feeling the vibe. So I left, and I was walking. I was walking home. It was like a nine-mile walk. And in order to get there, I had to walk past the county jail. and it was starting to rain.

I'm like, man. So I went to where Brian parked his car. I got in the passenger side. I'm feeling around. I'm looking for keys. I found the key. I start the car. I put it in reverse.

I back up. I pull out. I pull it out onto the street. And then I look in the mirror as a CO comes out in the middle of the street. And they're looking down. I'm like, Damn. I'm hit.

Because that my plan? So my thought was, all right, I'm going to drive home. I'm going to be home tonight. I'll bring the car back tomorrow morning. Park it. Be good to go. Nobody knows nothing. Then I see Officer Morgan outside and I'm like, there's no way I'm going back.

There's no way. So I drove. out to Williamsport, Pennsylvania from Huntington. I went and visited my... I just started driving everywhere. I'm driving a stolen car everywhere. And Morgan went down and he woke Brian up. He's like, hey, you know, somebody just left in the car.

He's like, oh, it was probably my brother. Didn't think nothing of it. Well, that was on the weekend. Monday morning. He goes to leave for work. The car's still not there. They reported it as stolen. I was at my friend Dave's house.

and his mom was reading the newspaper and she comes in and she's like, you stole that car. I said, no, I didn't. Right there it wasn't a police long. Not my name. They didn't know it was me, but the car was listed as stolen. And she's like, she's like, I'm calling the state police. You're not.

I said, I'm out of here. She's like, you're not leaving. I got out of there. I'm driving. I'm like, what? So I ended up pulling off on Harris Valley Road in Mapleton. I just pulled the car off of the road onto a pull off. I'm wiping down to stuff.

I'm wiping everything down. I'm already hit, but, you know, I'm trying to wipe everything off. I leave the key in the ignition. I took the key out. I wiped the key off. I put it back in the ignition. Let the car off. And I started walking.

And some guys picked me up in a pickup truck. we're driving down the hill there goes four state cops up the road I had them drop me off at the bar at the time I was I was only 20 I'm at the bar I'm getting served so I'm sitting in the bar and my phone rings

and it's like where you at they ended up getting me I got six to 23 months for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and then when I went back to jail, Brian wanted to kill me. I mean, he's big debo. He reminds you a debo.

He worked out. He was big. He was buff. And he just, he wanted to kill me. I understand. You know, they kept us, they ended up keeping us separated. But over the years, you know, I actually, we, a couple years ago, I reached out to him. them on Facebook, you know, because that's part of what I've been working through with a lot of

stuff. I've actually reached out to talk with, you know, Jeff and everybody as well, too, you know, because I understand the ripple effect of how my lack of accountability affected somebody else. And I stand on that now. I take accountability when I mess. up and we have to hold those in power to that same standard just because you're a police officer, just because you're a school teacher that doesn't mean you can use your position to be a bully. You took that position to help. You're not helping. You're hindering.

You're helping hinder growth when you have an opportunity. to help somebody, lift them up. And that's what you signed up to do as an educator, to teach, to help. As a police officer, you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. Fun fact, my wife's seventh-grade grandfather was the tie-breaking vote that gave not only the United States but the state of Pennsylvania, You know, their declaration of independence, John Morton. Really? Yeah.

We actually spent Memorial Day in Chester, PA at a cemetery rededication to the Revolutionary War in honor of John Morton, who signed, who was the tie-breaking vote. Just imagine that pressure. That man had death threats. He went against the grain to. give the United States of America their independence. And here we are. We're in Connecticut right now. The Constitution State.

A. How old were you when you got sentenced to actual prison? Actual prison? I was 24. I got the OG, man. You got the memento? This is the very first one. Inmate.

Look at that. 6-2-2005. That was the day I was introduced to the Department of Corrections of Pennsylvania, SCI Campo. What happened? How did you get incarcerated? Probation was tired of dealing with me. So they resentenced me after four years of in and out of county. They resentenced me a one and a half to three. What was that?

And yeah. That was for essentially the leading charge at the time was burglary. I actually, one of my childhood best friends actually enlisted into the Air Force. He was at basic training. And growing up, I didn't have the video game systems. I was that kid that didn't have the video games. All my friends are playing Nintendo, Sega. I didn't have those.

We didn't have computer. I wore voids. My friends wore Nike, Reebok. I wore Voight. I wore the cheap chucks. That was what we could afford. And when he was deployed, I actually, when he went to basics, I asked him if I could use his Xbox while he was gone

just so I could play video games. He said no. After he left, I actually, one day I went down to his house and I took his Xbox and I went back to my, that's what I did. I was playing video games. And then I got myself into, I don't remember what it was, but I got myself into a spot and ended up taking it to the pawn shop. And then when he come home from basics around Christmas, he already knew. and they ended up at the pawn shop and they found it and they charged me with burglary. I ended up pleading guilty to burglary.

They gave me five and a half to 23 months in the county and my tale of probation at this point was like five years. So I initially started out with three years of probation. Now I'm four years in and I've been. in and out of jail more than three dozen times and it's like okay so they got tired of dealing with me and they sent me upstate I got resentenced in May of 2005 and I remember seeing them in the courtroom you know the the look of disgust and the look of anger on his face you know we've talked a couple of times, you know, over Messenger over the years, you know, I've paid that debt, you know, I'm, those fines, costs and everything have been paid back in full now. And, but it still beats me up,

you know, inside sometimes because those were my friends, at least in my eye, they were my friends, you know, and some of those guys that I wasn't a friend, you know, I was, I was somebody that was just tolerated. And I get it. I'm a lot for some people, but for some people, it's like, dang. Yeah, so,

my first day, I got to Camp Hill, June 2nd, and then I got transferred to the block. I went to A block on the old side, June 8th, and then the next day, June 9th, I actually, we were at afternoon yard, and I got called back to the block to go to the chapel. And when I got over to the chapel, they told me I was going to be calling my mom.

My son was born, and they were giving him a less than 10% chance to survive. So I went, we found out my fiancé at the time was pregnant on New Year's Eve, 2005. And then on January 16th, I went back to jail. I got pulled over. So I was able to be there for like two baby appointments before I went back. My son was born 13 weeks premature. He was due September 6th. He was born June 7th of 2005. He was 11.5 inches long. He weighed one pound, four ounces. So my son weighed as much as a 20-ounce pot bottle. And he was the size of a Barbie doll.

And they told me that he wasn't, that he wasn't going to make it. And talking with my mom on the phone, you know, he ended up surviving. I actually two years, he just turned 20 this past Saturday, last Saturday. And I got to watch him graduate. 18 years to the day that I walked into prison, I watched my son Walker across the stage. I had sole legal custody of my son. I got custody of my son when he was 12, 2017.

So five years after I come over, from prison. I got sole custody of my son. And then my oldest daughter, she now, she blessed me with an opportunity that I was told would never happen, and that was witnessing life. You know, I was, she blessed me with the opportunity to be in the delivery room from my granddaughter. So in my finger, something nobody can ever take from me. My granddaughter, my finger was the first finger she held. And that was just, that was an amazing feeling. Yeah. And then when I went back to prison, I had just found out that I had another daughter. Well, she was actually, I went back to prison May 19th.

Actually, when I come home from prison, my first time coming home. So I went in June 2nd of 2005. I ended up finding out about my son with his birth in July. It was around the time of the London. bombing. I was on A block and we were in the yard. It was the night, the finals had just ended. Detroit and San Antonio were banging.

And the next morning we were at breakfast. It was me, this Hispanic dude from Lebanon and two dues from Philly. and in PA when when it can't pool when you're filling in you're quiet you know they're strict so you fill in you sit where the open seats are and these guys were talking about how I was just just trash this dude on the basketball court and they gassed it up and I started I started talking that shit and I know where this dude just reaches back and just hits me. My ears start ringing. I start tapping my spork.

I said, we get back to the block A9. And then I feel the blood. And then he stands up and he swings again. At this point, the chow hall went quiet. The guards were all on the other side of the chow hall and he swings and I duck it. I grab him, I throw them into the wall and we just start tearing into it. Next thing you hear, stop fighting. We're going and then this little dude couldn't have been more than 5, 2, 5, 5, 3.

Puerto Rican CEO grabbed me by my shirt, pick me up, and slam me on the table. A cup of hot cocoa right down the crack of my ass. They got me up. They got me cuffed. They got him cuffed. They took us out. They took us speedballed us down the hall to medical. He's sitting in the hallway.

He's leaking from here. His nose is bleeding. I'm bleeding from my eye. They get me into medical. And they butterfly me. And then they clear me. They take me over to the RHU. And there's this lieutenant.

He's uh he's Korean I don't remember his name But when we went in there's they got me into the the bullpen It's like a it's kind of like a just like a four foot by four foot cage There's a spot for your feet spot for your hands You strip out you turn You get the position He comes into the cage he says don't move

he pats me down and when he comes up in the middle forearm lifts me bro he said I told you not to move wham right into the wall

they all come in they got the john they just stripped me out and just put me in a jumpsuit what did I put on what else am I holding you know the pat search I didn't understand what it was for but when they come in and he didn't they cuffed me and then they arms up speedballed down the hall put me in the cell and then they come by and they put a piece of

plexiglass over the door i got 180 days for fighting that's six months in solitary in the hole I was still in blues. I was in classification still. And it came, that was around, that was right after breakfast. Lunchtime comes around. They're coming around with the trays. The one CO, it looked like Popeye the Sailor, man. Dude was all jacked.

He was a bodybuilder. He had to spray tan. It just looked like a total douche. He was like, He don't work for your lock. Try it getting to night. 68 consecutive meals. I didn't see a tray.

I see you didn't eat for... That's just over 21 days. So three weeks you didn't eat at all. So what did you do? They'd turn the water on for five minutes a day. I'd have water for five minutes a day. I literally asked Bro, did you know cockroaches flu?

I do now. Listen, I've never seen a cockroach before I went to prison and it can't poo. It come up in my cell that thing was this long and I'm like

I took my slide off and I threw it and this thing jumped If sheet over my head This thing landed on the sheet Flung it off I started freaking out bro I'd never seen anything like that I didn't I didn't know they

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And that was, that was brutal. No showers. Nothing. Didn't come out of the cell, man. For the first three weeks, 20. It was at dinner time. On the 22nd day when I got my first tray. I forget the sergeant's name.

But the dude looked like Chuck Norris, bro. The sergeant that gave me a tray. He come in and he's like, he's like, you're going to eat the day to do gay. Open the tray slot and he gave me a tray. I don't remember what was on it. But I know I got sick because I hadn't eaten. When I first went to prison, I weighed 327 pounds. When I come home in July 2005 and 2007, I was 205.

And I credited a lot of that, you know, to being active. Being in prison, I was very active. Sports ran around the yard. That's all I did. I really wasn't in the weight pit kind of guy. the sports guy, played handball, basketball, soccer, softball, floor hockey. It didn't matter. Who do you associate yourself with?

I associated with everybody. It was like I played handball to Puerto Ricans and the Spanish dudes. And I played softball with everybody played softball. I played basketball with everybody. you know, more, you know, it was, most of my family, a lot of people don't know, but a lot of my family's mixed. So I, my mom was, you know, growing up, it was, you know, that mindset of date your own color. I can't, I, I don't look at life like that. I don't see color.

I see character. You know, I, I don't care. who you are or what you are. I care about how you present yourself and how you carry yourself. You know, I, I, I, I don't judge anybody off of what somebody else says. I, I meet you, I will meet you, I will talk to you myself, and I will gauge my, my own opinion. You know, now I'll take, you know, because I've had some people that I, I've trusted, feed me a line to make me feel a certain way about, somebody but after talking with that part that was what really made me change that mindset of actually

talking to somebody you know okay well i i'm not going to tell them well this is what i heard you know it's like well you know i bring it up in topic you know just in discussion and it's like well okay they're wrong about this person and and then i try to meet you that like calling in chucky initially uh in 2022 march of 2022 uh initially i actually forged a phone call between them two to try and squash whatever the beef was in 98% of it's the the windy city you know the hot air coming out of Chicago And that's what it was because in 2021, Colin come out, we actually did a Stop the Violence summer jam. It was a basketball event that we did locally.

We put together last minute. My friend Don Wayne, he has a semi-pro basketball team. They were known as the Beaver County Indians. But they were having trouble getting any kind of assistance in the community out. there. They just wanted to help our youth. And we partnered up and I reached out to Colin and he come out and played in this basketball tournament, him and his boy Fatty. They come out and we played in this basketball tournament. He got in the dunk tank. He engaged with the community. And then that was actually in August of 2021. And he was going to come out for our golf outing,

but he had to see parole. And so the audience knows you're referring to Colin Ray, who was one of the guests on our show. Friendly felon. Yeah, friendly felon. The friendly felon. One of the original prison TikTokers. Yeah.

He's the OG prison TikToker. I'm the OG productive felon. OG productive felon. I say that. I say that because honestly looking at hearing a lot of your guys' stories, a lot of you guys have been doing this since 2015 and on. I've been doing the productive

felon thing since 2012. I like the words O.G. felon. O.G. Feline. O.G. productive felon. O.G. productive felon. Because I do the things I do because they're the right things to do. And that's one thing that a lot of people

lose focus of. You know, a lot of people see the dollar and they let that become a distraction where doing the right thing sometimes it makes a lot of people look at you differently and that's kind of what I'm going through now you know I've got people that are very close to me that have uh they wanted me to just plead guilty

and make this go away for uh this ongoing case. I'm actually, I'm in trial right now. We're on recess. My trial began last Monday, the 9th. And the leading charge is driving without an ignition interlock for DUI. You know when the DUI was? Valentine's Day of 2008. It's a long time ago. Why am I still being prosecuted for this? Because the Department of Corrections failed to send the paperwork when I completed therapeutic community, they never sent notification to the courts. So they released me from prison October 8 to 2012, but they never sent the paperwork. They held my driver's license up for 12 years.

Wow. And now I have an opportunity to have it looked at. it's too late to have anything fixed now you know i'm not it's it's done i the the sentence has been completed and it took 17 years plus but back to the prison first part of prison uh they ended up letting me out of the hole after five months and they uh they put me on uh d block which was ad seg from my transfer they were transferring me to my home jail and when they sent me over there Cassidy was actually on that block

the rapper yeah he was there for his eval because that was when he had that shooting of the young bucks down in Philly and uh they transferred me out I ended up going to SIA Malinois and that was my home jail I got out there December 18th of 2005.

What was the biggest differences between county jail because you were in and out of county jail and then going to the actual state prisons? Oh, wow. Besides the old side, the cleanliness was, I mean, the roaches. But it was more so it was the way the guards, the staff were. I mean, I get it. There was a major riot there in 1989. And they tell you that it's only going to get worse.

And then when I got off the bus at SCI, Maunaway, it was like, well, we walk out onto the compound. It's like, this is like college campus. You know, and they sent me to I Block. I was on, so at Maunaway, I Block and J Block, that was referred to as the jungle. That was where the custody level fours were. Threes and fours were on those pods.

Level five is RHU. Level four is max being in Genpop. So that's where I spent my first two and a half years was on eye block and played softball. That was where I started playing ball. I mean, first time I ever seen somebody get hit with a, whack was in the yard. We were walking. It was a guy from our block. He's like, he said, dude was over on the card table. He had like a $400 debt and he was still sitting at the card

table. And this guy walked up behind him, pulled his head back, just kept it walking. Dude sat there, took his shirt, tied it around his neck and continued to play car. cards until he fell over. Everybody down in the compound. Everyone out. Dude played till he went out. I don't know if he died. I don't know. I don't know because he didn't come back on the compound. Nobody ever said one way or the other. Actually, uh, I worked in the kitchen. That's where I got my nickname Pac-Man. Pac-Man. How did you get the nickname? I got caught with a 22-pound cheese belt out of the kitchen. Swiss cheese in the middle.

This side, the strap, was American. This side was provolone. I had it rolled out. It was 22 pounds total. Saran wrapped. It looked like a WW championship belt. I put it around my waist. I saran wrapped it.

The one blue shirt that I would normally go through lets us, you know, go with me. He's already hip to the game. Somebody else went past me through the metal detector and went to him, so I ended up having to go to a guy named Big Papa. Dude weighed 650 pounds. And he passed me down. He's like, what's that? I start unwrapping it.

He says, put it on it. Holy shit. I put it on the table I'm going to jail I left I went back to the block they put me on cell restriction I got 14 days

cell restriction I lost my job I only had like five months four months till I went home and almost blew it they gave me four months they gave me 14 days cell restriction they took my job

and they charged me for the cheese it was like 90 some dollars They actually charged you They charged me They took my next two months of pay And the money I had sent in And

The one CEO Messaged me He follows me on TikTok Hit my inbox He's like He's like You remember He says you remember

Montoy I said I do He's like He said about the cheese belt And he said about Ramadan He said about the Ramadan meal because there was only certain cooks that were able to prepare for Ramadan that helped the to get that ready and I was one of those cooks. So when almost 20 pounds of lamb went missing, Pac-Man ate it.

That was very expensive. of, you know, peppers and onions. There wasn't a day that we didn't get at least 30 pounds of contraband out of the kitchen. We had different ways. We had table workers. We had guys that would come through the window when you put your trays in. We'd have stuff there. Just dip it in the coat.

I mean, one night I took out, I took a sock. I took a dozen raw eggs out of the kitchen. back to the block. It looked like I was riding a horse, but I got the eggs back without breaking them. That dozen eggs, that's some money in there. It's a good hustle. It's a good hustle.

And then when I went to Greensburg on my last stint, that was, I pretty much helped run the kitchen down there. We had carts every block. We was getting stuff to the RHU. I was supposed to come home April 26th to 2008 for I got paroled.

This is the first bid at present. You get out. How old are you? Probably like 20... I was... I was 20, 2007. I just turned 26. Okay, 26. You're out? What happens? I was... I blew my knee out a week before I got out. I was supposed April 19th I blew my knee out

I was supposed to come home April 26th I was medic they wouldn't medically clear me they held me up until July which ended up becoming a blessing my identity was stolen while I was at SCI Monoy somebody using my name Social Security number date of birth was

arrested for grape in Louisiana dude's darker than your track suit and I didn't find this out until after I violated parole when I went back and my counselors

like you need to they called me back from yard to pack up they were moving me to BB I'm like why am I going to B block you have to do the SOP sex offender pro for what I don't have any crimes like that

where you're right here she would not listen to me bro it came to the point where they called the search team security to take me to the hole I'm like they're trying to make me go to be, I don't have, when she's saying this happened, I was at SCI Monoy. The captain ended up looking it up to verify it.

The charge was July 8th of 2007. I didn't get paroled until July 25th. So now I get a little four-digit pin every year from the IRS to file my taxes. And that saved me from having to go through. A lot of stuff. Because there's dudes on that block that had, they were going through the estrogen and it's just like, what in the world? And, but I come home, July 25th, they didn't do anything about my knee.

So I come home, August 2nd, I went out and got my son. First time I got to meet my son. he had just turned two we went and got him i had him for a whole week it was it was an amazing week yeah and uh i ended up half and a half knee surgery i went and had my knee looked at come to find out i completely obliterated my aco my lcl my pcio my mcel my mcule my meniscus was flipped over and torn so essentially uh at the end of all August I had an arthroscopic surgery. October, they did another arthroscopic surgery.

And then March 10th of 2008, they did to reconstruction. And they put me on Percocet 15th. I relapsed. I started eating pills. A friend of mine ended up getting into a fight at a bar with another friend, and he ended up dying. And there was donation, containers set up in different bars and whatnot in the area for him, for the family and whatnot.

In the one night, the one bartender had called me and asked me about picking up one of the cans and taking it to the family. Full-blown addiction, I took the can, and rather than take it, I took the $26 and change that was in there, and I went and bought a couple of pills because my prescription was out. and essentially I ended up going back to that bar. I shot pool for them for their pull league. And they knew and they knew that I took the can and didn't turn it in. They were all on their way there and the adrenaline kicked in.

I went outside. Limping away. I'm four weeks, five, six weeks clear of major knee surgery. I'm running down the alley without my crutches, and I just tucked into this little carport in my head. And they were all just circling. There was a lot of them in front, you know, and essentially they found me,

and the cops got me, and they charged me with, with theft of movable property, and they said that there was $500 in a can. I couldn't dispute it, because then if I say no, there wasn't, then I'm admitting my guilt. I'm admitting that I took that.

I'm not going to do that. So I maintained, and then they took me to the Lycombe County Jail. they set my bail at $2,500 with a state parole detainer. And I'm like, I'm not sitting in the county jail. I called a bail bondsman. I posted, I gave up my last $250 to the bail bondsman for him to post my bail. And then that was on May 19th, May 20th of 2008.

June 13th, Friday the 13th, state parole picked me up and transported me back to state prison. And how much time? I was home for 299 days. So I did two and a half. I went from, I did two and a half years my first, from January 16th to July 25th, July 16th of 05 to July 25th to 2007. I was home 299 days, one day shy. 10 months. So that brings you to 2008? Yeah. And then from on this violation, how long do you have to stay there for? State parole, well, with the violation, I had that charge, the theft charge,

and my DUI. So the DUI, they gave me, it was my second DUI, they gave me 72 hours to six months, ran concurrent and for the theft they gave me two to four years. For $26? Wow. Yep. When you were in prison that second time, how did you feel being away from your kids after already coming out, you know, seeing your kids for the first time? And I'm sure you had some, you know, it was challenging the first time you were in prison.

because your kids were being born, but now actually coming out and seeing them. My oldest daughter, actually, I wasn't able to be a part of her life for a long time. Her mom actually had another man sign the birth certificate, and she thought that he was the father, but you look at my oldest, you can tell we're twins. My girls look just like me. But I wasn't very active with my daughter in her life. you know part of it was because of my actions of being in and out of jail i get them not wanting me to be around and have that but at the same time you know that was all i ever wanted to do because

i know what it was like to grow up without my dad you know i didn't have my dad and my stepdad was abusive but my stepdad's one neglected me one one one beat the brakes off on me you know So it was like I really never had that father figure. I spent my childhood on the road with my grandfather and my uncles. They were truck drivers. So I would spend my summers on the road with them until my grandfather passed away. And he passed in 1996 two days before my birthday. Right before I turned 15, he was cussing out in the old Donald, throwing no.

was pick sixes against the Cowboys in the Super Bowl. He was in the VA. He had a heart attack. And Cousin out in the O'Donno, he had a massive heart attack and ended up not making it. So I had a big hate for the Pittsburgh Steelers for a lot of years. But over the last several years, I go to a lot of Steeler games now. So share with us an eventful story from that second prison bid, your last prison bid. I don't know if this dude died or not, but it was the, so it was in May of 2009, 2010.

We was going out for night yard. We had just got done doing, we was playing, we was playing cards, we was getting ready to go out. and you see this Jamaican dude from Philly go down towards the showers at the end of the tier. And he pulled back the shit. He said, watch this. He pulled back the shower curtain and he hit this dude with an X on his back with a toothbrush and it had a couple of blades in it. And he turned and beeline. The bell rang to go to yard.

and we're sitting there and dude's like yo, cause cause he got me and we're like shh blocks about to get locked down we're going to yard

we get up we peel outside we get out to the yard and go around I come up around I go to the one urinal to take a piss and dude's bangers

in the urinal I was just like it I peed, I flushed, I hit the little flusher, I kept it moving. When yard ended, half time, half the yard went in. Then night at the end of the yard, we were going in, and I don't even remember who I was walking with. We were coming up on the gate to the grill door to go into the block, and the dude that got hit in the shower

and another dude were waiting. I seen him. So dude goes through the door and then there's like six of them. They all got stuff and they all just start sticking this dude and he turns and he runs back out through the grill door. He runs into us and pushes us out of the way. They come out behind him

and he's running and dude benzo, because his pants fall down. So he bends over to pull his pants up. And I'm going to show you the boots that they were wearing. And he kicked this dude, the one, the dude who was, he had multiple life senses. He kicked this dude in his mouth.

Straight back. And they just started sticking him. Dude's got a chunk of chain link fence this long. It's straightened out to a point. The whole team, everybody had it. bro you could see it going in the front and it was coming out the back i don't know how many times they got him but they're kicking him in his face and they're stomping on his face with these boots and it's like and then all the guards come in and they finally stop and dude's like don't fuck touch me

and he took his thing and he tried to he tried to throw it tried to throw it up on the roof rolled right off the tissue the sad thing is the dude did got hit in the shower and was part of that. He had five months left on a two-year sentence. Maxed out. I don't know if he ended up catch. I'm sure he probably caught charges for that. That was one of those street beefs that, man, I saw that and it's like, my adrenaline is rushing.

And it's like, is this dude dead? I never saw him again. I don't know if they transferred him out. I don't know watching what happened. I don't know how anybody could have survived that. How old were you when you got out of prison? I was 26 the first time. And then when I come home in 2012, I was 31.

I was just getting ready to turn 32. And you haven't been back since? Not the state. I've been out of state prison since October 18th, 2012. I spent, I actually requested to go to a halfway house and they ended up sending me to Warner'sville CCC down in Redding, PA, and I was there for 60 days. They made me do a violence prevention program while I was there. So when I got to the halfway house, day one, my first day out, I got there, day one, the 18th,

the 19th, I went out and I got a job, day one. I got a job doing roofing. And I ended up working for that roofing company until December 18th. It's crazy because December 18th of 2005 was when I got the SCI Maunoy, December 18th, 2012. I'm going home. So it was like, dang. December of this past year? No.

December 18th of 2005 was when I went to SCI Maunaway from Campo. No, for the job. Oh, for the job there? No, that was December 18th of 2012. And you finished a job when? I left the job. When I left the halfway house because I ended up, that was my 60 days. So I left at midnight and I ended up getting a job in the oil field. Why this time around did it finally click for you to turn your life around after all those years? After spending your 20s in and out of jail in prison, what was it about this time, this

moment in your life that put you on a different trajectory. Understanding the ripple effect. And that would be more so looking back at all the stuff that I missed during my incarcerations. I blamed everybody else for not being there for me. It was my mom's fault. It was a judge's fault. It was my uncle's fault.

It was my fault. Nobody can make my choice for me. I made the choice to break the law. I made the decision to break the law. Did I know that there were consequences? I didn't care. But when I went back and I started to come out of the state, of addiction because I was in full-blown addiction.

I was eating 90 Percocet 15s in two weeks. And the script's supposed to last me 30 days. When you're in addict mode, everybody around you can see it. And no matter how much you try and hide it, it's very plain and clear because you're not thinking clear. Your mind is altered.

And that really made me sit down and think about that. You know, I got back to prison on June 13th of 2008. June 7th of 2008 was not only my son's third birthday that I was missing. I just missed his second birthday. I come home two months after his birthday. Here I am. I'm going back to prison two and a half weeks before his third birthday. What kind of dad is that?

And then my youngest daughter, her mom was pregnant with her at that time when I went back to prison. And that was a wild thing. When I found out she was pregnant in December, we had met. over the in like September we met when uh it was before Facebook uh my space we was on my space and this girl messaged me uh she lived down that she lived up by williamsport and we got to talk and I'm 26 she's 18 we meet up we hit it off we start seeing each other. We physically meet in November

and we hit it off and come December I get a phone call and it was from her and she was crying and I could hear her mom in the background and she says tell him and my mom's standing there and I got her on a speaker phone and she tells me she's pregnant.

I'm like, okay we can do this I'm not gonna I'm not going nowhere I'm here and then your mom tell them the rest I'm 16 I'm 10 years older than this girl she told me this entire time she's 18 and now she's 16 and it's like her dad's piss she says

my dad's calling the cops all right looks like I'm about to be going back with a tough one. So we talk and we end up off the phone and I went outside and I sat down on the porch and I just waited for the cops to show up. They never showed up. We stayed in touch over the next couple of months

and at this point I was starting to use pills more frequently because I had just had my surgery. I found out she was pregnant in December, March, I had my surgery. We were talking. I was doing what I needed to do as soon-to-be father. And then her mom completely cut contact. They were moving to Tennessee. And we still stayed in touch.

I was making arrangements to go down for, when our daughter was born. She was born on August 6th. So I was making arrangements. You know, we were talking. I was still going to be dad even if we weren't able to be together. You know, this is a unique situation here. So I end up going to jail May 19th. She knows nothing. No contact. I go back. I get up still. I get up still. my brother Robbie, the one that passed away in March of 09, he got married on June 7th. I was supposed to be at his wedding. I wasn't able to be there. So I'm looking at the ripple effect of my decisions and how they're affecting everybody else.

And then looking back on the decisions I made in my first time in prison, you know, my younger sister. I missed her graduation. I missed the birth of my niece. You know, I missed my sister's prom. You know, I missed everything. And because of my actions, something that was important to her

that she wanted me at, I wasn't able to be at because I was selfish. and I lacked accountability. And here we are, you know, all these years later, realizing that change is possible. The impossible is possible. I live now on the motto of hope, help other people elevate. Tell us about what you do now. I am currently for another very short period of time yet will be a union laborer.

For the last year and a half, I've worked in the Steelworkers Union in Pittsburgh. And my passion, though, and my main goal is the Donny Donut Project, which is my 501C3 organization that I started in May of 10. 2020 during COVID with at the time you know with all the the uncertainty that was going on in the country with COVID and just all of the the separation that was around the time you know the stuff happened in Minnesota with George Floyd and it's like looking at all of the hate it's like, I've got to do something. You know, I was part of the problem.

I helped create that divide between law enforcement and community because I led a bad example. So it's up to to myself and to others to get back on track. it's up to myself and others to help our youth. It takes a village to raise a family. And some villages, there's not very many adults to teach life skills. I remember growing up in school, they taught the Constitution. They taught ethics. They taught you how to write cursive.

We started every morning with, the Pledge of Allegiance and we sang my country tis of thee. We don't have that anymore. And it's like, what are we teaching our kids? Our kids spend their days focused on their phones. I mean, I get it. Times are changing. It's 2025, but not everything is about technology. because technology, that's not here. Technology's artificial intelligence. We have attention with intention as humans. We need to invest in each other.

We need to invest in ourselves. And that's my goal is to create opportunities for, our youth, four guys coming back out into society. I shared with you a couple of month and a half ago. I was able to meet with, briefly met with Jimmy McGill and Blake Martin at the West Virginia Goes Purple Gala. And what Jimmy does with recovery in Arkansas is a loud and clear state. of hope and what we want to do in our area in Pennsylvania is something similar,

but we want to focus more on our young adults and get them back on track before the system gets them. So we have a, this, actually this week, this coming Saturday, we have a, a fundraiser that we're doing where we've partnered with another organization in our area called Suicide Prevention and Awareness. It was founded for the brother of my friend Anthony. He committed suicide in September of 2004. He was an Ohio State University alumni. So, and a lot of it had to do with mental health. So in our area, this school year in Beaver County, I believe there was at least five students that took their lives. And the lack of accountability on the schools, you know, the whole zero tolerance on bullying.

But there's so much gray area, just like when it comes. of the law. You know, as a parent, as a suicide survivor, it hits a little different when you have a child that openly admits that they attempted to take their life on multiple occasions. And then they go to school and they admit that they just overdosed in the school. they admit to shoplifting, shoplifting alcohol. It's a cry for help. The school's answer, 45 days in class academy,

which is an alternative school for bad kids. When our son went to a hospital, they deemed a program for him that was offered at a school in our area that the school has a transportation that goes to this building. The hospital deemed this in his best interest for his mental health, his safety, his well-being. We've had an advocate go to bat for us, but the only person that anybody has been able to talk to is the school principal and she refuses to provide transportation. Now, as a parent, what do you do?

They call CYS and they tell CYS all this and, you know, everybody comes in and they tell us that we're doing everything we can. You know, we're doing what we can for our children. Everything we're doing, we're doing the right things. We're sorry that the school is failing. Where's that accountability? Because if we were the ones neglecting our child, best believe they're taking our kids from us, And I've got a criminal record. They're going to put me under the jail.

And when I went to the PD, you know, it's like the chief just sits back. He thinks it's a joke. And I told him, I'm like, you got kids taking their lives. You know, there was, I told you about the shabangs out there recently. there's a place in our area called Mo's Market. They're a nuisance convenience store. They're known for selling vapes in THC carts and stuff to kids. Well, May 23rd, they got robbed at Gump Point.

The school resource officer positively identified my minor son as one of those suspects. My wife and I got home from the attorney's office, and the one officer come out, and he's like, what's up, Donnie? He's like, so, Moses was robbed at gunpoint, and one of the officers positively identified your son. We have video. He pulls out his phone, and he starts showing me this video. The suspect's in a brown sweatshirt, gray shorts. Suspect number two is wearing a red hoodie.

in a shiasty mask and suspect three is wearing a gray hoodie. Well, they identified my son as the kid in a brown sweatshirt and we're looking at it and again, I'm looking at the sweatshirt. The sweatshirt's wrong. And then I look down at the kid's legs. There's not a tattoo on this kid's legs. My son's legs are covered in tattoos. He's 17.

And I'm like, then he looks at the camera. I'm like, can you back that up? He backs it up and he pauses it. I'm, that's not my son. Look, nothing like my son. Then the other cop was like, well, there's another suspect. And that was the suspect in the gray hoodie. He comes out there.

That's not my son. Well, then it went to the suspect in the red hoodie was potentially my son. Well, you can clearly see the suspect's left hand. So I asked if there was a tattoo on his finger on his hand. Guess what there's not? A tattoo of the finger. So we review the security camera from my wife's house I actually posted a clip of it

The cop who identified them stepped in dog shit in my backyard And it just so happens to be that same cop Is the cop that I was supposed to box in 2020 at the Bridger Brawl That's funny Anthony fan Now Sean before we wrap I know you want to show off some of the gear you brought Some prison material Yeah

You want to show the audience that. All right. So these are authentic Department of Corrections. I brought a little something for you. What is this? A stinger? That's funny. You've got your own stinger. Ah, I need to use this for videos. This is cool. Awesome.

I appreciate this. What's the shoe you wear? How about 12? You might be able to fit these. You don't want to keep them anymore? Oh, I'm definitely keep them. I mean, I'm definitely keep them. I mean. this toe right here. You imagine.

Check that out. Wow, they actually, they steal toe? No. That's hard rubber. This is hard as shit. There's a tag in there. Where were these made?

These were made by the inmates at SCI Phoenix just outside of Philadelphia. Wow. The Department of Corrections of Pennsylvania. Yeah, I remember those types of shirts. We had a little bit of a darker one. Yeah, the feds make all theirs, too.

It's crazy. Slave labor. Did you listen to the episode I had with the Philly Prison Guard, Smitty? I'm not sure if I have or not. You got to definitely listen to that. Good ride on the way home. He was at Phoenix and a couple others. Okay.

Yeah, he's good. Oh, look at that. Wow. DOC. SCI Huntington. And then we got the brown pants. But this is my motivation. This was my...

Do you want to just pull the mic closer? this is my motivation. This was my board action for my last stint, February 13th, 2012. The Board of Probation and Parole rendered the following decision in your case. Following an interview with you and review of your file and having considered all matters required, you are denied parole at this time, The reason for the board's decision, your need to participate in complete additional institutional programming. This is four years in.

I had already done all my programming. You know what the program was? T.C. Had to do T.C. Your institutional behavior, including reported misconducts. Your risk and needs assessment indicate your level of risk to the community. your prior unsatisfactory parole supervision history. Reports evaluations and assessments indicate you're a risk to the community.

Your failure to demonstrate motivation for success. Minimization of the nature, circumstances of the offense committed, your refusal to accept responsibility. That was the big one, lacking the accountability, and lack of remorse. Yeah. They reviewed me again in July, and they paroled me upon completion,

and that's what sent me home in October 2012. And now here you are. And here we are. July 20th in Ambridge, we're actually hosting a free concert with Rare of Breed, Just Nate Music, and DJ Win. I reached out,

to them about doing a show here in our area. And when the management team called, we got to talking about tickets. And he told me that at the end of Rob's show, he does an altar call. And I was like, man, you know, an altar call. I can't see charging somebody to hear somebody's testimony. Can we do this for free? So we were able to discuss that in July 20. we're going to host a free concert

in All Day Music Festival. We have Jam Master Jay from Run DMC, his nephew, Bo Skaggs, is going to be performing early in the day. And we've got a couple guys that are going to share a testimony of hope, you know, guys that have been through the system that are trying to help other people elevate

and then that concert. And then on July 26th, we're having a pro boxing event in Ambridge at the same location and we're currently looking for some exhibition matches. That's awesome. I want to thank you for having me on, man.

And I'll keep you posted on the outcome of this trial because when this is all said and done, Beaver County is going to meet Jack, justice, accountability, change, and knowledge. Sean, I really appreciate you sitting down with me today. Man, I'm glad we got to do this. It was a pleasure to meet and chat with you. And I wish you the best with everything you got going on.

We'll have the links to everything, your socials, your organization in the description in this episode. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Thank you, man. Safe Travel's back.