Locked In with Ian Bick - The Feds Busted Me For A Drug Ring — Then Sent Me To Prison For 5 Years | Leo Leonardo

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Starting point is 00:01:38 Give us an example of one of these issues with the CEO is how they treat you. I really actually caught my first charge in sixth grade. Now, when you get to the FCI, who approaches you, who comes up to you that first day? You see other people that don't really look like me, like little scrawny dude that you don't even know. Dude's crazy. He might put a knife in you. What was the worst thing you saw there? By the time he was still a teenager, the cops already knew his name. he dropped out of school, tried to go straight, and then when that failed, he built a drug operation

Starting point is 00:02:05 that caught the attention of the feds. What followed was state prison, federal prison, time and Sagan Max, and even after getting out, more gun charges. This is Leo Leonardo, and this is how one bad turn turned into a life of consequences. Blurge, welcome to Locked In, man. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. Dude, every time someone comes and gives me like one of their rap names to call them by, I always feel weird, you know, saying like splurge, but that's what you go by. You're just telling me the story about that. Yeah. Yeah. So, my name's Splurge, a kid, splurge, I'm saying. Yeah, been through some shit,

Starting point is 00:02:44 I'm saying. Another Rhode Island story. I didn't realize how small the Rhode Island prison system is. Like, everyone that DMs me now that comes for Rhode Island says, oh, I saw so and so on, I knew him in the joint, this and that, you know? Yeah, it's too small. It's crazy. Every time I go back Like I say, I go into a unit and everyone, oh, shit, what are up? What out? What out? Yo, what are out? It's like, oh, shit.

Starting point is 00:03:05 I didn't even know. I knew this many people. Now, do you run into a lot of Rhode Island people when you're in the federal system, too? I actually, like, barely. Like, maybe, like, more like Massachusetts in Connecticut, you know, like, in the feds, you know, they all run together. I'm saying. It's like a northeastern thing. So, because we're really, like, a minority in a lot of federal prisons.

Starting point is 00:03:28 Yeah, I feel like Connecticut's like that too Because it's small I mean, not as small as Rhode Island But it's still small Yeah, for sure You don't run into too many Connecticut people Not yet And I feel like that's definitely one of the things

Starting point is 00:03:40 That made me feel weird About being in the federal prison system It's like, everyone was like Yo, this is my cousin This is my brother We grew up together We from the same projects You from here

Starting point is 00:03:47 And it's like I really didn't know nobody It's just like yeah It's just me from Rhode Island I don't believe when people say They're not actually cousins Like everyone's a cousin When they say it that way We only say that about females.

Starting point is 00:04:00 What, female? You call females a cousin too? Yeah, we say that my cousin's, I'm saying. Really? Yeah. Why? What's the point of that? What?

Starting point is 00:04:07 Girls do it too. Well, I know girls do it too. My girlfriend's always like, oh, she's my cousin. I'm like, okay, so who is she related to? No, but like when they took into this significant other and it's really like their sneaky link or something, but, yo, that's my cousin. Man, you guys are trouble. Did you grow up in Rhode Island? Yeah, born in Rade, actually, in the east of Patucket.

Starting point is 00:04:25 Okay. Is that a nice area? It could be a nice area, I'm saying? Like, my thing is I grew up young, I'm saying? I, like, I was chilling with the street people, like, the street kids. Like, my mom had to go to sleep early to make sure she was taking care of me and my little sister. And we lived on the first floor. I was jumping out of that window, like, the kids my age wasn't, like, doing the things I was doing.

Starting point is 00:04:49 You know, and then so I really hung with the older crowd. And they was getting me drinking smoke at a young age. And, like, they used to think of funny, you invited my bike and just crash it into a tree or saying because I drink too much. Like, I don't know. Like, I lived, like, crazy life, man. Where was your dad? So, my dad, he ended up, like, moving to Georgia sign.

Starting point is 00:05:11 Like, I don't even know. Like, we barely took, I'm saying. He would, like, pop in randomly every once in a while. But, like, it was that, like, I even really focal on for me. So he was never in your life as a kid? Yeah, like, he would come around at one point. point, I think I was being bad, so my mom sent me to his house for a little bit. And I'm saying that he actually lived in Connecticut for a little bit.

Starting point is 00:05:33 And I think he had me for probably like a week. He's like, yeah, I'm not dealing with this. Send me right back. So that's like the extent of it. Like, I don't really focus on like that, what I'm saying? Like, my stepfather, though, he might have cool. He's been there since I was in fourth grade. He really from Bronx.

Starting point is 00:05:49 I'm saying so, like, that's really my father because he was there for a lot. And I'm saying, he held my mom down when I was pretty. I'm her first born, you know what I mean? So he really helped my mom down when I was in prison. She was going through shit. She actually had a panic attack. You know what I'm saying? Like, when she found I was in prison, like, she really was doing that.

Starting point is 00:06:08 Suffered a lot of it. I mean, he was there for that, I'm saying? And he made sure she was straight. What'd your mom do for work while you were growing up? So my mom works in a factory. And, like, she was just bouncing around in factories because my mom don't know no English. I'm saying? My mom, she rather had, like,

Starting point is 00:06:26 us speaking Spanish inside the house because like a lot of like people come from third world countries and they like they want to learn English so bad that their kids don't end up learning and don't end up learning Spanish because they want to speak English in the household so they can learn you know what I mean but my mom have always wondered what was best for me and my little sister so she made sure we spoke Spanish in the house what's your ethnicity what's your background I'm Dominican all right and your mom's fully Dominican yeah was your dad Dominican yeah okay he was first generation in America too Are they from, is she from America or did she come from?

Starting point is 00:06:59 No, like, she came. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. Tell us about your, you know, preteen years, you know, 9, 10, 11, 12 years. So, like, I really actually caught my first charge in sixth grade for trying to stab some kid outside the school. It was some crazy shit, but he ended up on the North and was in front of, like, the teachers, the crossing guards, everybody. So that happened on a Friday. the next Monday I come into school

Starting point is 00:07:27 I don't think my mom knew half the shit I was doing at that point but so Monday I go to school chilling in art class early in the morning they calling me down to the office I was going on I get there I see my mom like two police officers my step down my mom crying he's like yeah we're not going to put them in the cop car

Starting point is 00:07:45 but we're going to need you guys to bring them to the stage just so we could book them oh man why would you want to stab the kid It was just, it was crazy because I actually, I was like a bad, like, I wouldn't say bad because I really wasn't a bully, but I used to do things, you know what I'm saying? Like, to other kids, I was bullies, you know what I'm saying? So there was like this bully in class and everyone like fucked with me, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:08:11 Because, like, I was like, I was just cool, you know what I'm saying? And then I ended up convincing some kid to go punch the bully. Like, yo, like, a nigga talking shit, go hit him. And like, I got your back. Like, if he does anything, because he was, like, kind of bigger than the other kid. So I was like, I got your back if anything happens. So whatever, when dude, we never seen that the kid picked up a rock. So when my boy goes to punch on him, the kid turns around with the rock and just claps him with the rock.

Starting point is 00:08:38 And, well, it was like, it was crazy. Like, you know, that is, you know, like, expect to see shit like that. Dude just hit the floor crazy. Like, van into help him. As soon as he seen that knife in my hand, kid turned around and vans, unfortunately, he was faster than me. And maybe that probably was the best of what, you know what I'm saying? It was what it is. Where do you think that violence element came from?

Starting point is 00:08:59 Honestly, I think being younger growing up, like older cousins and listening to like gangster music and you really think, and you don't know because you're young, they're really just listening to the music, vibing and shit. And I'm saying, they're not really doing none of that. So I look up to my older cousins and shit. So when they're listening to all that gangster music and shit, I'm like, damn, like, I'm saying, that's what I want to do when I grow up. I'm saying, that's where I want to be. And I feel like music probably had a big influence on my decisions. What rapper did you look up to?

Starting point is 00:09:31 I say back then, I was listening to 12th Santana. I'm saying Cam or Lil Wayne, I'm saying? I was talking late elementary school, you know what I mean? They started early. I'm saying it. So you get arrested in sixth grade for that stabbing. Do they release you right away? Yeah, they released me.

Starting point is 00:09:50 stuff. Like, I just had to deal with a whole bunch of probation stuff. But I just kind of like, it kind of like snowballed. You know what I mean? And then they want to give me curfews. I'm not showing enough for curfews. And I put me on probation. I'm like, no I'm saying, still smoking weed. And I'm saying probation is not dealing with it. I'm dipping. They're trying to put me on like house arrest. I'm dipping. I'm saying. It's just like, it all like escalated. I'm saying. So like when I first really had to sit down, probably like, freshman year of high school, they said it was a second degree robbery, but I'm saying, I wouldn't call it a robbery for real. Like, I seen somebody that was disrespect to my little sister. So, I'm saying,

Starting point is 00:10:34 I seen him and I handled a situation that he's trying to say that I took the hat from him, I'm saying, but it was, like, bad. Like, the kid was bleeding bad. He had to, like, go through some shit in the hospital, and, like, the ambulance actually ended up taking him, But, yeah, that's when they, there was like, nah, fuck, they're not getting out of this one. And I had to sit down for, like, probably, like, six months. And what do you mean by sit down and go to? Like, the training school, I'm saying? Ended up doing, like, a few programs, like, like, kind of, like, group home situations and stuff.

Starting point is 00:11:05 Always for behavior, I'm saying. And it was kind of like, that's where it all started, just the in and out. Do you live in that training center? Yeah. So you'll stay there for a second. six months. Yeah. So, yeah, that's like, that's just kind of where it all started, like, with the end and outs. Are they, like, prison cells, or what is that like? Yeah, like, one of the, one of the, yeah, is definitely, um, prison cells, one of them,

Starting point is 00:11:31 one of the spots I stayed at, actually, like, the doors didn't lock or anything, but we had the toilet in there, I'm saying, we didn't have no showers, but, like, intake or training school, that place would be worse than the ACI, like, the ACI, at least you could, And the ACI is, like, for the adults, you know what I mean, the adult intake. But that place would be worse. And, like, the way they be treating them kids is crazy. But them kids be very back fighting the CEOs, everything. They don't get no TV time.

Starting point is 00:11:59 They lock them most of the time, I'm saying? And it's crazy because at the ACI, you lock them most of the time, too. But at least you got your TV in the cell. And I'm saying, you get a commissary and shit. They go train school. I wasn't going to get no commissary. Give us an example of one of these issues with the CEOs, how they treat you. So, one day.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Like, in training school, like the ACI. Training school. Like, training school, one day, some dude, he just kept banging on his door, right? And every time the CEO would go see to who it was, that he wouldn't see who, like, you know what I'm saying, who's doing it. So the CEO, by like the third time, he got tired of it. He goes to stand by a guy's door, right? And the guy thinks he walks away.

Starting point is 00:12:40 He waited a little minute, starts banging the fucking dude. Yank that door open so fucking fast. you literally stripped him took his matches took his blankets took everything and left them in there for the rest of the night he was not coming up like until he had to go to court the next day and left him sleeping on a metal like on just a metal and these kids that are in there what kind of charges do they have i know for you was assault and robbery but for someone else yeah like sometimes you go in there just because your parents say you're acting up i'm saying you're running away and stuff but like there's like a lot of kids probably like stolen cars and

Starting point is 00:13:16 I'm saying. I don't know. I wouldn't even know, like, what to say, I'm saying, because I don't really be asking what they'd be in there for. That first attempted stabbing in sixth grade, did you get expelled for that? Nah. So they let you go back to school, then you go to freshman public high school. Yeah, so, yeah, that's when I caught.

Starting point is 00:13:36 I went to middle school first, obviously. Middle school, I kind of, like, I never got caught, except for, like, stealing my mom's call, maybe a couple times, you know what I'm saying? and then, but that was, like, really the extent of it, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't really going to jail, middle school, but then after high school, that shit just, like, set it off, auto probation. I had my probation for so long. This is a Bose moment.

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Starting point is 00:15:23 Yeah, of course. But the kid didn't even go to our school. It was like, I'm saying. Okay. So you get back after six months, you go right back to school. Is that how that works? Yeah. Well, it's crazy because I ended up going back to school.

Starting point is 00:15:35 And me and the teachers were always getting into it. So my probation officer, Auntie Kerry, was actually the one that convinced me to drop out. Why would she tell you to drop out? Because she knew I was smarter than that. I'm saying I was smarter than the fucking. shit that was going on in that school and really like, like the teachers in that school wasn't, was bad teachers, you know what I mean? Like, they don't want you to learn.

Starting point is 00:15:58 They're not there for that, I'm saying. So what was the alternative to dropping out that would have been better? Now she convinced me to go get my GED and my mom, like her and my mom had a conversation about it. And my mom was like, yo, if you go get your GED and you promise me that after your GED, you're going to at least go to trade school sign, I'll buy you a car. So I'm like, all right, you know what? Yeah, I dropped out, got a car, I was going to the school, and I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:16:22 I was getting my GED and they're up graduating my GED. And it's crazy because, like, in the midst of all that was actually when the charge happens, when I did that robbery, the second degree robbery, right? So, like, I ended up finishing my GED, like, in jail. And then right after that, when I got out, my probation officer helped me get into MTT for building a property trades. What was this robbery? This is another robbery.

Starting point is 00:16:51 No, it was that robbery. Oh, the hat robbery? Yeah. Oh, so you were doing the GED before you got charged then? Yeah, because that was freshman year. So I just said freshman year. So this all happened that same year? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:04 So you could drive that young? Freshman year, you're like 14. Like 14, 15. Yeah, 15. You can get your license at 15 Rhode Island. You start at like 15, 15 and 9 months. Get a permit. But, like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:18 I was driving way before the license, though. Of course you were. Yeah. What month is your birthday day? Were you in like a little? I'm a late. Okay, that makes a little bit more sense. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:17:28 All right. So that happens. A robbery happens. You get out. You finish your GED. Then what happens? Not. So if I finished for GED, I ended up going on MTTI for building the property trades.

Starting point is 00:17:39 What's at a trade school? Yeah. Okay. In Rhode Island. In Cicong, Massachusetts. Okay. I'm the same. But then right after that,

Starting point is 00:17:47 Like, I ended up getting like a good job shit. Well, the dude, I felt like because I was so young when it all, like, when I graduated, that he wasn't really like, he used to try to treat me like, like, I was, I was little, you know what I mean, and try to belittle me and stuff. So that didn't last too long. I ended up quitting my job. Just, I went straight to trapping. And I've been type selling drugs ever since.

Starting point is 00:18:12 I was kind of like my last job. Before that, before you quit, what did you want with your life? Were you going to take the trade school seriously? Honestly, yeah. Like, I wanted to start off, like, like, you know what I'm saying? Fixing houses as, like, a contractor assigned and then, like, work my way up to where I'm buying my own properties and stuff. Because I always, like, I always been smart with that type of stuff. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:18:31 They had an entrepreneurial mentality. So, like, really, like, that was my plan. Like, I had a plan. But I just didn't like how everyone used to treat me, you know what I'm saying? I felt like I was going through a lot of things. Like, honestly, I was putting myself through a lot of things. And I didn't notice because I was at the time. that age, you know what I mean? But yeah, man, like, once I ended up graduating, my mom was so

Starting point is 00:18:53 happy for me and I was doing the right thing, but I just didn't, like, I can't deal with authority, you know what I mean? Like, I have problems done with authority, so it just wasn't for me and I turned around and started selling drugs. Why do you think you didn't just switch to a different job or, you know, find someone else, maybe a mentor figure or even your stepdad and he couldn't help you? Honestly, I believe I tried. I filled out some applications. you know what I mean, but me being so young and not having any work experience, you know what I mean? People, a lot of times when I was going to interviews, people like, oh, you sure you're going to show up? Like, you're not going to be late?

Starting point is 00:19:29 And I'm saying, like, they would ask me questions like that, like, as if I was a little kid, you know what I mean? And unfortunately, I never ended up getting a job and things were in love. This episode is brought to you by prize picks, whether you're starting a new routine or making player picks for the first time. trying something new can be hard. But in life and on prize picks, it always feels good to be right. With high pressure playoff matchups every weekend, an elite hoop action almost every night, the action never stops. And prize picks lets you take control. What I like about prize picks is how simple it is to get started. You're not drafting teams. You're not managing rosters. You're just making lineups based on player projections. I opened the app, picked a couple players I already watch every week,

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Starting point is 00:21:51 And are you living at home? Yeah, I was living at home with my mother. What did she think about you quitting? Where did she not? I mean, as long as you get another job, like, don't try to do no dumb shit. And the first thing I did was I had to go do some dumb shit. Why do you think your mind switched right to selling drugs? because I seen it a lot along me, you know what I'm saying? I seen the lifestyle, and I'm saying. And honestly, like, I wanted that as a kid. Like, I remember watching Scarface when I was really young.

Starting point is 00:22:20 And, like, damn, like, yo, I want that to be me one day. You know what I mean? So it's like, it was easy for me, like, the transition, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, fuck this job. And people think they're going to be my boss? No, I'm a boy. No, I got people waiting for me, you know what I'm saying? I'm treating people.

Starting point is 00:22:35 I want to treat people. But I was never like a mean person, but you know what I mean? It's just like, I'm not going to deal with that shit when I could sit here and probably make the same amount of money for my boss is making. You know what I mean? Just to fucking sit here, I got bitched out. What kind of drugs do you start selling? So really I started off selling crack, but I quickly, I'm saying, I was selling heroin.

Starting point is 00:22:58 And this is all, I'm saying, like, shit I've been locked up for, so what I'm saying? You're not snitching on yourself. Yeah, exactly. This is all. This is all my people. work. I'm saying. My people work great.

Starting point is 00:23:08 Always, I'm saying. So, yeah, man, I started selling heroin. Then, what I'm saying? Like, I was just chilling.

Starting point is 00:23:15 Things were small until, like, 20. Like, I've been invested, like, a few times with, like, little stupid shit, like,

Starting point is 00:23:22 before 2021, but 2020, no, was it, I lied, 2016. 2016, the summer of 2016,

Starting point is 00:23:34 2017, 2017, 2017. summer of 2017 they invaded my house because a dude that I've been serving drugs like for a long time

Starting point is 00:23:46 ended up fucking telling on me man I used to have that dude pull up like to the my house is right here I used to have honeydew like a block away like at the other corner bro that was the only person I trusted to like come close enough to my house

Starting point is 00:24:00 so like I'm saying potentially figure out where I stay at and it's like yo I've been fuck with this dude for a mile long never told me nothing. Now you decided to fucking tell on me. They fucking raided my house and found, that's when they found some guns and a drug. I mean, drugs and a gun.

Starting point is 00:24:17 Who raided your house? So it was Pawtucket, Central Falls, state police. It was like a task force with the FBI, DEA. I had the fucking, the head of the FBI in Rhode Island, fucking head of the fucking raid. of the fucking raid, like this dude's the one that fucking had his fucking rifle in my face and I'm fucking laying down on the floor with a fucking gun two feet away from me. So it's like, yeah, that shit was nuts. Was your mom there when you guys got raided?

Starting point is 00:24:48 Thankfully she wasn't, but my grandmother and my little sister were, and I just remember coming down the stairs and handcuffs and my grandma was looking at me, like, what's going on? What's going on? Because my grandma don't speak English. She's just asking, like, what's going on? And I'm just, I can't even say nothing. I didn't even know what to say.

Starting point is 00:25:06 I was just shaking my head and looked all the way. And I see my little sister sitting on the couch and handcuffs. I'm like, damn, but what the fuck? And little do I know, they've been fucking my friend's house up the street for me too. You know what I mean? So it's like, damn, you're going down. It's crazy because at first it was only us too. Then they want to fucking go ahead and pick up three more people on my case and four more people on my case.

Starting point is 00:25:29 Like, after a month of me already being in, you know what I mean? So that shit was nuts. And that's when the whole thing went federal. I'm saying saying that I was the leader of a drug ring. And I'm saying, and pretty much, like, they was trying to hit me with distribution. But my lawyer said we could fight it because none of my code or my codey stayed in the state. So I signed in the state first. Right?

Starting point is 00:25:53 And then as soon as I signed in the state, the feds want to take that as a mission of guilt. I'm saying to pick up my case too. So now I'm looking at the 924C, mandatory mandatory. minimum five. And then I got all these people with, but none of them come into the feds with me. You know what I mean? And so, like, my lawyer tells me they can't be a conspiracy if you don't have co-conspirators. And we could try to fight it, but you have codees in the state.

Starting point is 00:26:19 So they might just try to pick up all their shit, too. Fuck, there's no point of doing all that. Like, I'm going to just take my time. It is what it is. And then that's when I got the five years in the feds. How old were the other people on your case? Your age or older? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:26:32 It was all about the same age. I think the youngest was probably, like, 19. I was 21. My cousin was probably, like, 22. So I think he was the oldest. So it was all between 19 and 22. How did you become to be the guy in charge? Because it was my play.

Starting point is 00:26:50 And, like. And play, I mean your work? No, like, like, it was my fiend, I'm saying, like, my custody. So, like, he's the one that was telling him on us, I'm saying? So it was like, like, At that time, I don't even know if I could say too much. Well, I mean, it's a case that's already over.

Starting point is 00:27:09 Oh, because you're the one selling to him and they caught you on tape? Yeah, but then we was like all serving them. You know what I mean? Because it was my place. It was like, I had a runner, right? Let's say I have a runner. Hypothetically speaking, actually, you know what I'm saying? Let's say I had a runner.

Starting point is 00:27:25 And then now you have a runner too, right? And then we just like be chilling with people and shit. So like me and you were like really close. So it's like I'll go bang or play whatever. Like let's say I'm somewhere in Adderboro. My runner's in Adderboro. And then you got to play that's in Adderboro and I need somebody seen in Prov. It's like, yo, go see my person.

Starting point is 00:27:46 I'll go see your person for you. Yo, where's your player? Like, no I'm saying? Like we used to do shit like that. I'm saying, I'll help each other out to get to the money, you know what I'm saying? We was a team. But because it was my person, you know what I'm saying? that got a sense of the mess, they pretty much just labeled me as the head.

Starting point is 00:28:03 And so what's the final charge they slap you with? Just the 924C. Which is conspiracy? It's like, oh, actually, no, they charged me with the drugs. The one you pled out to. So, like, yeah, I put out to a 924C, but they only gave me a day for the drugs and then the five years for the thing. They gave me the minimum, I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:28:25 So they gave me... When they gave me the five years, I ended up doing, like, damn near the whole thing. But they counted the time that I was doing in the state, too. So they ran it all in together. I ended up, I got locked up in 2017, and I got out in 2021. So the state charged you, too? Yeah. So, yeah, remember I told you when I signed in the state, I gave the feds admission of guilt, so they went off that.

Starting point is 00:28:59 Oh, I didn't know if they just compressed it to one charge and let you just... Two separate things. I'm on two separate probation right now. Oh, that sucks. Yeah. Okay, so you plead out to that and you're in the state no bail or you were on bail? Yeah, no, they wasn't giving me bail. It was old and me, I'm saying prior charges and shit.

Starting point is 00:29:19 So, that was my first gun charge, I'm saying. It wasn't my first drug charge, but it was my first gun charge. And that was the longest I did. The longest I did before, that was probably like two months on a bail violation. And the group of you guys, is this gang related or are you just individuals? Nah, man. It wasn't like, I don't know gang shit, I'm saying? We just, we kids that grew up together, and I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:29:42 We want to see each other do well. How do your mom react to your arrest, this big arrest? Because I know you've been arrested before. Nah, I mean, I kept trying to, like, downplay it at first, honestly, so she wouldn't be too worried. Like, oh, I should be straight. Should be out of hand, like, yeah, maybe two. Like, everything's going to be fine. But she didn't know what was going on in the back end with the whole Fed situation.

Starting point is 00:30:02 You know what I mean? And I'm not trying to tell her too much because I know how she is. You know what I mean? My mother's always going to worry crazy, you know what I'm saying? So I didn't want to tell her. And then honestly, she didn't really, like, know the extent of it until my federal, like, sentencing. So my federal sentencing, when she had, like, given her five years, she kind of, like, she doesn't speak English really well.

Starting point is 00:30:26 So she looks over at my step down. And he's like, wait. So is he getting out? He's like, no. They gave him five years. Like, oh, shit. Your poor mother, you put her through the ring. Yeah, that shit.

Starting point is 00:30:39 It was bad. You know what I'm saying? I feel like all that had to happen, I'm saying, to make me where I am today. You know what I mean? Tell us about the time in the state while you're waiting to do the plea deal and get sentenced.

Starting point is 00:30:51 What was that like in the county? That state time is different, man, because them CEOs really try to treat you in your way. It's not like the feds where, like, the inmates run the prisoners. I'm saying over there, the guards run the prison. So you're doing what they say when they say, you know what I'm saying? And they try to talk to all types of crazy. But that's why there's been more like CEOs getting punched on and shit.

Starting point is 00:31:12 They're more assaults on CEOs because now the niggas is getting tired of that. I know what I mean? But Rhode Island prison system is different from other prisons. You know what I mean? Because Rhode Island, really, a lot of those dudes is in there for sex charges. in domestic violence. You know what I mean? I call it an oversized rehab.

Starting point is 00:31:29 A whole bunch of things. I've been there. I've been there. Like, when I'm doing my times, I'm saying, because I just came home from there not too long ago. I did two years. I just got home in August.

Starting point is 00:31:41 Fucking, when I was in there, damn, I lost my train of thought. About your time in county jail. Fuck. And you were talking about how the guards are worse to the inmates? But I was going to get to a story. Sorry, I forgot.

Starting point is 00:32:01 All right, why don't you tell us about how the guards are treating you? Give us an example in this county jail. So, like, they just, they be calling you all types of dickhead, I'm saying? But, like, they only treat certain people like that, people that they know they're going to get away with it. You know what I mean? So it's, like, someone like me, like, maybe a rookie aside might try it, but they don't know.

Starting point is 00:32:29 They know all for it. I'm saying, like, by a person's presence, like, my presence in there was, like, I'm saying, like, they knew not to try to even fuck with me, you know what I'm saying, but, like, you see other people that don't really look like me, like, little scrawny dude that you don't even know. Dude's crazy. You might put a knife in you, I'm saying? And then, like, there's been situations like that where, like, dudes be tired of that

Starting point is 00:32:51 shit, you know what I mean? There was a CO that got stabbed in Max when I was in there at one point. I'm saying, I seen CEOs get put on their head beat up. I'm saying. It just, it gets crazy in it. I'm saying, then they, they, like, when it comes to, like, feeding times, you get burnt food, little portions. They don't give a fuck, what I'm saying? And then they try to act like Rhode Island is such a, like, a good prison system.

Starting point is 00:33:16 They have such a good judicial system when it really is corrupt. You know what I mean? Like, there's a, there's a Rhode Island judge that says he's not even trying to retire. He's already past the age of retirement, and he's a, I'm not going to retire until I give out, like, fucking 5,000, 100 years, some crazy shit, you know what I mean? And he mean it, I'm saying? That's someone like, you would hear a lot about in Rhode Island. You take the plea deal, then what happens? Where do they send you?

Starting point is 00:33:44 So, that's when I go to Wyatt. I'm sure you was at Wyatt too. I was at Wyatt, yeah. So, you know, Wyatt's different. Why, like, why? It was like, I, the only bad things, like, obviously, you don't, like, walk through the holes enough and everything is in the block. But Wyatt was smooth, I'm saying, like, you get a little more respect for my CEOs in there and shit. Like, they're not going to try you.

Starting point is 00:34:02 They're not doing wild crazy shit, I'm saying? It's over there. They really get beat up, I'm saying? I don't know. I feel like I can't front. I feel like Wyatt just be hiring anybody. That shit is nuts. So as soon as you sign, they transfer you right to Wyatt?

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Starting point is 00:35:56 I had to go through the rest of my time over there. But they count that time towards your Fed time. Yeah, they counted it. Yeah, they counted out to do another five years. I just remember what I was going to ask you. Do they click up in the state? How do you guys organize amongst themselves? It's nothing like the feds.

Starting point is 00:36:12 Everyone's just with everyone, I'm saying? Like, if you cool, like, obviously you got your people's from the street and shit, but they'll really stick you in a block with just like, like scattered. You know what I'm saying? Like the blocks are scattered. You're not white-sling with the whites, black saying with the black thing with the black. Everyone won't fuck with each other. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:36:29 It's nothing like the federal prison system, you know what I mean? It's just a whole mix of bullshit. So where do they send you first in the feds? Where do you go? So I go to Wyatt. After Wyatt, yeah. Wyatt. And then usually, I guess you're supposed to go to Brooklyn before I ship you anywhere else,

Starting point is 00:36:46 but because I ended up going to designated it to New Hampshire, they just put me straight on the bus straight up to New Hampshire. So that was my first FCI right there. That's Berlin. right? Yeah, FCI Berlin. Yeah, I knew that. So I think it goes Berlin, then Wyatt, then MDC or something like that.

Starting point is 00:37:02 It's like Berlin, Devons, then Wyatt. Okay. Devin's is like in Boston, but Devin's like a medical facility, you know what I'm saying, where, like, old people go and shit like that. Yeah, yeah. I actually just interviewed a guy the other day that was at Devons. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:15 He said that place was terrible. Yeah, I mean, I only been over there for holdover, and that's like overnight in the box real quick. Yeah. All right. So tell us about this New Hampshire prison, Berlin. Oh, New Hampshire was different. Oh, from when I got there, you know, a lot of people, like, to do their drugs and shit, fucking shit.

Starting point is 00:37:35 As soon as I got there, the same day, a dude, I got off the busing off the subs over here, like falling against the wall, has to walk by a group of CEOs. And I literally watch him almost bump into CIO. The COs is looking at him laughing. Like, yo, this kid looks crazy. And they really just sit there laughing at him just, you better not bump him. into me or you're going to the box and the dude just, oh, I walked the other way and they really just sat there laughing. Like, they did not give a fuck.

Starting point is 00:38:03 I was like, yeah, this is going to be a whole different experience. And subs as in Suboxone, the drug? Yeah, Suboxone. That was common in that prison? Yeah, I feel like it's common type in every prison. Did you use drugs yourself? Nah, I don't know. Smoked some weed, drinks or a hooch.

Starting point is 00:38:18 I like to get lit. But, nah, not no crazy shit. Now, when you get to the FCI, who approaches you, who comes up to you at that first day? So, I see, they already know who's coming in. You know how that works. I'm saying. So, I guess they, they was waiting on, like, 07O to come in. 07O as in Rhode Island, I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:38:37 Everyone has their last three numbers, I'm saying. So they knew I was coming in. Boston do come up to me because we run tri-state and they're, like, New England, yeah, New England. So Boston do come up to me. Oh, like, who you're running with? What are you mean who I'm running with? They like, you fuck on niggas?

Starting point is 00:38:57 Or you gonna get on Spanish time? You fuck on, like, who you fuck on? I was like, shit, I don't know. He said, fuck that, you're on nigger time. You're with us. I was like, I bet. They gave you smooth, people work right. Yeah, my people work great.

Starting point is 00:39:10 You better make sure your people work great. That's when they come with the bags, I give them you all the shit, whatever, sweats, shoes, everything, food, I'm saying. You gotta make sure your people work work great. You don't pick up that bag. Your paperwork ain't right. Just get up out of there, man.

Starting point is 00:39:24 But yeah, man. everything was smooth and until it wasn't honestly the new hampshire was crazy like it was a crazy experience for me for sure why what happened what became not smooth it's so like I was running with niggas but like I was the only one from Rhode Island in my block and there was probably like four Rhode Island dudes there you know what I mean and we was all in different blocks so now I'm surrounded by all these it was mostly like mask guys and I'm saying masks and CT whatever you know we all run together New Hampshire everything but it was most of the same thing but it was most see mass guys, I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:39:56 So now, a lot of dudes from Boston, I'm saying. And Boston dudes always want to try to, like, I'm not going to say always because I don't know for real, but in my experience, like, they try to act like they better than people. You know what I mean? Like, I was the only Rhode Island dude there. Oh, Rhode Island niggas is going to, like, throwing a little jobs. We was all cool at first, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:40:16 And then niggas want to throw like little jobs as well, Rhode Island who do, like, I'm saying, like on some weird shit, like, as if, like, they didn't respect me as much as they respected everyone else. I'm saying, just because I was, like, pretty much the minority. You know what I mean? No one knew me from nowhere. No I'm saying? Like, it was weird.

Starting point is 00:40:30 Like, I was getting weird vibes from people that I'm supposed to be killing weird. You know what I'm saying? Dying with, like, if situation ever goes left, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, well, like, I don't know. I don't like weird shit, you know what I'm saying? I don't be on them weird vibes. So, like, pretty much. I was, like, doing my own thing.

Starting point is 00:40:48 Like, I had my own sell, everything. I'm saying. Like, I was getting my own money so it didn't matter. But, like, people, people seeing, I was fucking with a lot of other niggas that was outside on my car. I was fucking with the Kings. I was fucking with, I'm saying? Like, certain niggas, Midwest niggas, I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:41:03 Like, Lord's and shit, but. So, like, I was showing everyone love. So everyone showed me love, I'm saying? And it's, like, a couple times I'm getting out the box. And it was, like, everyone else getting out the box. Niggas is having these big-ass meals for them and shit, I'm saying. It's like, I get out the box. It's like, oh, what else, man?

Starting point is 00:41:17 And then, and I'm saying, like, I didn't need nothing for nobody. But it was just, like, principal, like, all right, what we doing? tonight like yo let's celebrate me getting out the box and like know what i'm saying i wasn't getting that love but then i'm going to fucking abt dudes and saying what up to me like yo i know you just got out the box you need some coffee what you need you yeah like nah bro thank you i appreciate i i don't need nothing but it's like damn my own people ain't even show me to love like that so at one point i ended up going to the box and my sely ended up being a big dude uh will just say it was a big Mac, I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:41:53 I'm saying? And I told him my situation. So he was like, like, he had sympathy for me, you know what I'm saying? Like, damn, you're doing all this alone, like, I'm saying? And they know I'd be on timing and shit because, like, there's been a few times. They watched me. The dude was in my block before he went to the box. He was like, they watched me press shit.

Starting point is 00:42:15 I'm saying? They watch me get active. Like, they see when I get angry. Now I'm saying, they know what's up. They know what happens. So it's like, damn. He's like, damn, the niggas is acting treating you like that. Like, yo, that's fucked up, what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:42:25 So he didn't have to say too much. And I'm saying, like, we were sellies. So we were selling for, like, a good, like, probably like a month. So, like, when you're locked in with somebody that much, you build a type of bomb with somebody, you know what I'm saying? So I come out the box. He sends me out with a kite. Now, I don't know what this kite says.

Starting point is 00:42:44 But he sends me out with a kite getting to his people's and shit. Bro, I had nowhere. Those feeding me. Like, you know what I'm saying? His homies and shit. They feed him, they take care of me and shit, I'm saying? She was like, yeah, they show me mad love, you know what I'm saying? And I didn't ask for nine.

Starting point is 00:42:59 They wouldn't even ask me to throw down nothing. Like, yo, you eating today? You already got a bull, man? Nah. They cook and just giving me bull. Yo, come here, pull up, Spurs. Hey, boom. So, no I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:43:11 I start fucking with them. And shit just, you know what I'm saying? It was a crazy experience, but, you know what I'm saying? Like, I found my home taste shit that and I started fucking my mom. people just. So your other crew that you were riding with, did they get upset about that? Yeah, like, they just didn't like how I was, how I was being treated knowing the type of person that I am, for me. But the people that first approached you, oh, yeah, no, the, the, yeah, Boston dudes was a little mad about that. So was there some tension or? It was like, it was a little

Starting point is 00:43:42 tension, but it never, I never went away, you know what I mean? Because it's like, and I was like, there's really nothing you guys could do about it because it's like, well, I'm not alone anymore. You know what I'm saying? And dudes ain't going to try to press me. They already know they're not pressing me. Now, what would be some reasons why you would go to the show? Like, they find that knife. They find any type of contraband, I'm saying, in the cell.

Starting point is 00:44:08 Anyway, you know, they'd be doing the random searches and shit. I'm saying, you might get too drunk, you know what I'm saying, punch on sign. Well, like, I don't know, but a lot of times when you get drunk and shit, Like, them C.O. Even when you're high, them COs won't even care. So it's like, it's got to be like they found sign. Or like the dick has, we call them blue gloves. What was it, S-I-U, S-I-S-I-S-A-S-R whatever.

Starting point is 00:44:32 They come in, they want to fucking start tearing shit up, acting crazy, you know what I'm saying? So, I'm saying, it's stupid shit. What was the deal with the hooch in there? You said you were drinking a lot of that. Yeah, nah, I was smooth. It was chilling, I'm saying, you know, make the wine and shit, and then, like, turn it into moonshine. I should be

Starting point is 00:44:50 I can't find something else It's probably not healthy But it's definitely something else How would you guys make the wine So like I don't know the whole recipe and everything But I know you get some potatoes Some bread

Starting point is 00:45:02 Some like tomato paste Fucking sugar Cetchup Mix it all together And just let it sit You let it sit You be burping it You got to take care of it

Starting point is 00:45:12 Let it cook I'm saying Something so you throw it in the hot shower I'm saying let that shit cook down And then once it turns Like, when it's sweet, you know you don't want to drink it, I'm saying? Now, I always say it's always best when it tastes like gym socks. I don't know why.

Starting point is 00:45:28 Like, I take a sip and I got that, like, gym sock taste. I like that. And I'm saying, that's how you know you're going to have a good night. But, yeah, so once it turns into, like, that gym sock tease, you throw that. We used to throw it in the mop bucket. Put the bags over the mop bucket with a stinger, which is like a hand. handmade like, like heater to like cook stuff. Like it's crazy.

Starting point is 00:45:51 Like my first thing I ever seen was, uh, was the, uh, what's them things called to iron? Oh, it was an iron where all the plastics ripped off. The wires attached to it just thrown in the bucket. Yeah. Like, niggas used to do, make things out of crazy shit. Well, yeah, I was the first thing I saw and yo, you used to just throw that iron in that bitch, throw the fucking bag over the top, let that shit cook, get a bottle of cold water. So like when the heat steaming up to the bag, you see you see it.

Starting point is 00:46:18 you're collecting on the top of the bag. You spray the bag with the cold water and it collects even more steam. It will start falling over. And I'm saying then everything that comes down at the bottom of the bag, you know, that's the gas. Now, how does it get converted into moonshine? From the vapors. So you're pretty much cooking the alcohol out of the wine. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:46:38 And then because the alcohol turns into vapors. So then the vapors will stay stuck at the top of the bag. So then I'll all just start collecting. And it turns clear? Yeah. I've seen like, the Spanish guys do that in prison. Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:50 And then they would fill in the little honey bottles. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, fucking a honey bear for a hundred dollars. Honey bear, yeah. Oh, it was 100 bucks? A hundred bucks. Depending on with prison giving, obviously, like, places vary. But, yeah, that shit.

Starting point is 00:47:02 When I was in the USP, those was doing honey bears for 200 at one point, you know what I mean? So why do you get kicked out of Berlin? So I actually signed up for the RDAP program. Okay. And then it's crazy because everywhere, the East Coast had a waiting list. So they ended up sending me to,

Starting point is 00:47:22 um, to Wisconsin, to Oxford, Wisconsin. Bro, I was at Oxford. Yeah. Yeah,

Starting point is 00:47:29 you were at the camp? No, at the, or medium. Okay. So, oh, so,

Starting point is 00:47:33 you know, all the dude from the camp's going to go with them phones going over there. Yeah, was, was the medium at, um,

Starting point is 00:47:39 the, uh, I mean, Berlin was a medium. Yeah, Berlin was a medium. Okay, so you went from medium to medium.

Starting point is 00:47:45 So you went on Conner. Yeah. Tell us about that. Kahnage Kays. So what, they take you to Stewart Air Force Base up here? Like, I don't, not because I left from Brooklyn. Yeah, so you went to Brooklyn and then to the Air Force Base. I went to Devin's for a night.

Starting point is 00:47:59 I was in Brooklyn for two. Brooklyn was fucking nuts. Okay, tell us about your Brooklyn experience. Honestly, I talked too much about Brooklyn. Give us one good story. Give us a good story. Man, I was in there with some big names, man. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:48:16 with like big names in like the street world, you know what I'm saying? I was in there, a lot of brim, la bang up, I'm saying, I was there with some people's, man.

Starting point is 00:48:28 Like, shit, I don't even know. I don't want to say nothing, man. Tell the story without saying their name. Not like, all right,

Starting point is 00:48:37 so one time we ended up going into lockdown, trying to figure out what happened. Fucking turns out, uh, in me, fucking smashed on a CEO with his own walkie-talkie for like calling him a bitch or something we got locked down for like two weeks for that but I guess he was beating him so hard with the walkie-talkie he was hitting the button and what was going on and then another time when I

Starting point is 00:49:01 first got there that's just nuts fucking I hear like this like we find out we're all going to different bus you know first you go to the intake unit whatever so I'm coming on my cell and I hear crong, cron, cron, cron, cron, cron, cron, cron. And I'm like, yo, what the fuck is it? Like, it's nonstop. It's just going. Like, what the fuck is?

Starting point is 00:49:23 And it's coming, like, from the front of the block. My cell all the way in the back. Like, someone could have just did me there. He left me over there, you know what I'm saying? So I'm like, yo, what the fuck's happening in front of the block? And I see the CEO, he's just sitting on his desk. And the noises, like, coming from over there. So I'm like, yo, let me, like, I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:49:38 Like, I'm trying to be too nosy. But, bro, what the fuck is that? I walk over there. has his door all the way opened, sharpening a fucking tooth brush against the end of the bunk while he's watching the CO. And the CO's acting like nothing happened. Like the CEO can easily look like this and see,

Starting point is 00:49:58 obviously he looked over there because you fucking hear all that noise. And dude's just looking at the CO like this. I'm like, oh shit, man, that's just nuts. I don't know if I want to be here. So you go from Brooklyn to the airport. Yeah. Go on Conair. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:16 And then go to Oklahoma. Yeah, I was an alcohol for a little bit. I'm saying? She was smooth. Yeah, Oklahoma sucks, though. Yeah, definitely. Because you don't have to, you can't order commissary. I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:50:29 Then you want to buy coffee off one of the orderlies? It's like a hundred bucks a bag of coffee. So, yeah, I don't know that shit. But I wasn't there for too long. I think I was there for like two weeks. And what do you go from there to Chicago? Yeah. Oh, Chicago is live.

Starting point is 00:50:44 Chicago's late. I fuck in Chicago. Niggas is Chicago, man. I'm a funny and fuck. Were you in the open dorm or cells? I was in the cells. Okay. Because I have a bottom bunk pass

Starting point is 00:50:55 because my leg I got hit by a truck when I was on the dirt bike one time. Yeah, man. And you've really been through it in your short years on this world. Oh, yeah. All right. So you go from Chicago,

Starting point is 00:51:04 then they take you on the bus to Wisconsin. Yup. You get to Oxford Medium. What was that like? I mean, it was smooth at first. Till it wasn't. Until it wasn't. Yo, not because.

Starting point is 00:51:18 Yeah, I was so curious, like, what was Oxford Medium? Like, because I was right across. It was up the camp. It was great. Honestly, if I would have stayed there. But, so, yeah, because they have a culinary class in there. The food was amazing. Like, you got the red velvet cakes and big cookies and, like, crazy shit.

Starting point is 00:51:36 So, like, that's your smooth. The food always tasted up to par. Man, you got ice cream and you get all the type of. different tastes of ice cream, what I'm saying, their flavors from the commissary because, you know, like, they'd be making all the ice cream over there. And it was smooth, what I'm saying? And I was in the R-Dat program, so it was like, we had the microwaves in there. I could leave myself whenever I want because there's no toilets in the cell, so you could just

Starting point is 00:51:59 walk out, go up the block, what I'm saying? Go chill with your boys. I'll be in my boys cell, chilling, I'm saying, we were smooth. But there was someone in there that, what I'm saying, couldn't stay there. And unfortunately, I had to be the one of getting them out. out of there. Like a tromo or a snitch? Nah, like, somebody that I didn't get along with, like, me and my people didn't get along

Starting point is 00:52:21 with, I'm saying? You knew him from back home? No, I actually had a picture of him before we left Berlin, and I knew his name, everything, and I went there to get him. At Wisconsin? At Wisconsin. He used to be at Berlin. He jumped one of my peoples.

Starting point is 00:52:40 In Berlin? No, and where was he at? He was in Pennsylvania and Allenwood. So how do you know about him? Because, you know, everyone knows everything in the feds, I'm saying? So, yeah, like, people, you know what I'm saying? We got our phone or whatever, I'm saying. Like, however, however it happens, but people know.

Starting point is 00:53:00 Why is this your problem to deal with then? Because it wasn't really my problem. You know what? I had the choice. And because the people was, that was helping me out before I left Berlin. Because they were so, you know what I'm saying, they're so there for me.

Starting point is 00:53:19 And I'm saying they made sure nothing happened to me. I got asked, yo, you don't have to do this if you don't want to. But if you want to, there's this kid that's over here. I'm saying? And I'm saying, he's got to be dealt with. And shit, I would say, oh, honestly, I love you, niggies, and I'm doing this shit. And, like, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:53:39 I felt good about it. You know what I mean? It's got to suck for the guy, though, because he was there before you, and then you come along and do your shit on. He should never do what he did. So what do you do to him? So whatever. I'll explain how it went down.

Starting point is 00:53:52 So, like, I got asked. I was like, oh, so how are you going to do it? I say, shit, I'm just going to see him when I'm going to, you know what I'm saying? Like, do what I got to do. Like, nah, I don't do it like that. Wait, watch him. See what he does. See what fuck someone who doesn't.

Starting point is 00:54:07 Because we can't let something happen to you. You got to be smarter. You know what? You're right. All right. I gave myself two weeks. And it's crazy because at the end of the second week, it was December 23rd. It was two days before Christmas.

Starting point is 00:54:25 My mom don't know what's going on. Nobody knows what's going on. I'm calling every day. Like, hey, yeah, no, everything's great. Knowing damn what I knew way ahead of time what was going to happen. But obviously, you can't talk about it. I can't tell nobody. Nothing.

Starting point is 00:54:41 It was, you know what I'm saying? It was crazy. But, yeah, I'm that day. Summer 23rd. Said, fuck it. I got ready to go to Chow. It was a Friday. I knew the people that I walked to Chowell with, they all go to the gym for dinner child.

Starting point is 00:54:57 So I knew there was going to be, like, less people in the Chow Hall. Because we wasn't in the same block, I would have to go to the Chah Hall to get him. So whatever we go, I go to the Chowall Hall. And it's crazy because, like, in Oxford. the East Coast was such a minority that we had to share one little table. You know what I mean? Like everyone has their own tables in the feds.

Starting point is 00:55:19 You know, we had like this little part of a table. We didn't even have a full table. So whatever, I see the dude sitting there and then the only open seat, there's only one more open seat now and it's right across from them. So me, knowing there's other dudes coming behind, we was running with Philly.

Starting point is 00:55:38 We was running with Mappie. A Philly dudes are some big dudes, I'm saying, they always going to the gym too. I'm going to the gym every day too. So I know, like, what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, fuck. Like, whatever. At least it's going to be less people than if I would have did it at another time.

Starting point is 00:55:50 So I'm like, fuck it. Let's just see how this goes. Because I already gave myself this day. It's got to happen right now. So I pull a fucking thick head movement. I just fucking put my tray on the table and walk away. When I'm walking back to go get a cup of juice. So whatever, everyone, I hear everyone behind me.

Starting point is 00:56:07 Who the fuck just left there, played on the table? Oh, whoa. Where the fuck the nick? I'm like, I'm taking my time to walk in, go for my cup of juice. I'm saying, as I'm walking back to the table, I'm walking on the whole opposite side of the table now. So, like, and I'm sitting there drinking my juice and the cop, he's like, the CEO's a few tables away, and I think he, like, kind of peeped because he just looked at me.

Starting point is 00:56:33 Like, we shared eye contact, and I just looked away. Like, I'm saying, like, I think he knew, like, what the fuck's this kid doing? But by the time I got the kid right next to me I just fucking turn around with the fucking cup from my hand and just started hitting him with the cups out of wailing on him and the dude wasn't moving like he just, it was sitting there taking the hits

Starting point is 00:56:50 the whole fucking table gets up right so now and mind you there's people already standing up waiting for me so whatever as soon as I see everyone get up I grabbed the kid by the back of his jacket and my kid's already like twice my size too so I grabbed the kid by the back of his jack

Starting point is 00:57:05 and I hold him up like I pull him up onto his feet he's still not with his leg his body was limp He wasn't moving, but I like, try to use him as a shield. So when, no, I don't feel like anyone trying to jump me or anything. I'm like, what the fuck? I look over, and everyone's looking at me surprised that it's me, because, you know, I'm at cool and shit. Like, they wasn't expecting me to do some crazy shit like that.

Starting point is 00:57:26 And, like, everyone really fucked with me, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, like, yo, what the fuck's going on? And I just kept hitting him. I just started hitting him again. So when I start hitting him again, that's when they're like, oh, shit. And they all, like, try to, like, surround me. So I push him into one of the guys. And I start backpedaling.

Starting point is 00:57:41 As soon as I backpedal, the fucking CO comes and tackles me from the side. Just fucking cleans me out. Boom. And then that's when everyone else wants to fucking come, try to get around the CO. That's when the kid comes back to life. And he's trying to act crazy talking about his shit. But, yeah, that shit was nuts. And then it's crazy because they was going to let me back out in the compound.

Starting point is 00:57:59 They asked you, you want to go back out to the compound. I was like, hell yeah, they go. You're not going to fight, right? We're going to give you one more chance. You're going to get back in the R-Dye program. We got you. I'm like, hell yeah. But I'm thinking in my head.

Starting point is 00:58:09 Like, you let me back on a compound. This is lit. And I already got everyone else hates me too. You know what I mean? So it was like, because of what I did. So I was like, yeah, I go on that compound. It's late. We're going.

Starting point is 00:58:20 Like, you know what I'm saying? I was like, I don't know. That's crazy because like the feds really change your mind. Like, like, well, I was just like, I was excited. Like, like, yeah, like, let's do it. And to say, it's crazy. It's crazy. Well, fucking, um, unfortunately, I didn't get to fucking go.

Starting point is 00:58:39 make that movie because they ended up moving in the kid to the same range as me. And over there in Berlin in the box, it's bars. So they ended up moving them into the same range as me. And I guess obviously he was there before me, so you knew people and shit. And then there was like some other kid from Chicago that he ain't had nothing to doing nothing. But they were just saying they're talking mad shit about me. I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:59:05 And then like, you know, in the feds, you knickers is talking shit. You can't let that slide. So, but I say nothing. I don't do all that cell banging. I'm saying I'm not going to yell out the door, nothing. Just so happens that the Chicago nigger and then me, we both, both our cellies is getting out the box in the same day. So now I wake up in the morning because I had one of my homies in the cell next thing.

Starting point is 00:59:29 He's banging on my wall. For me to wake up and he was a, he passes me a note. He doesn't even say that. He just passes a note. He's holding a note out so I could grab it. I'm saying I'd be seeing it. because it's bars, whatever. So he's like, yo, don't say nothing, just listen.

Starting point is 00:59:44 I'm listening. The dude from Chicago was talking about. She's like, oh, that nigga's a bitch. Fuck that nigga. I'm not moving in there. I don't know him. He's probably a ride. He probably, ah, ooh, ooh.

Starting point is 00:59:53 I was like, I bet. I won't even say nothing. So when the cop comes walking around and he gets to me, I was like, I was like, yo, what was that about? He was like, no, we're trying to move someone in here, but he don't want to move in here, so I don't know. We've got to figure something else out. I was like, wait.

Starting point is 01:00:09 Ask him if I can move over there. Yo, I swear to God, the cop knew, because he looked at me, his eyes started sucking. Like, he was so mad that he didn't want to move in there. He was like, oh, y'all, this kid's going to do it, too. He's like, you know what? Yeah, I'm going to ask him right now. So you ask him, I'm sitting there listening. He said, oh, yeah, if he's moving in here, that's all.

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Starting point is 01:01:59 So I don't know if you ever went to the box over there. You know, if you're already in the cell, you've got to cuff up behind your back and then sit in the back of the cell while the other dude comes in. So whatever I go to go in the cell And he's sitting at the back of the cell I get my cussar up first As soon as he goes to walk by Oh my God I just set it on him

Starting point is 01:02:23 I swear to God I just started to punch his whole shit And so like the cop I hear the cop saying stop my spray Stop my spray you know they give you the three warnings I ended up grabbing he had a sheet That was going over the fucking bottom bunk to like block the lake Because you know you can't turn off the late and say I fucking grab the sheet

Starting point is 01:02:39 rapped from all my head and I just keep going. They had to fucking come in and get us to fuck up out of there. But that shit was crazy. And you know what the kid said to me after? What? Said no bullshit, swears you ever last nigga because no one else would have did that shit. These niggas are just scared.

Starting point is 01:02:53 And me and the kid ended up being becoming cool. Why would the guy even let you in his cell if he even? I have no idea. I know some people on the shoe are like they don't want to leave certain cells. So he wanted to stay there, but he was cool with you going in there. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what he thought. Maybe he thought we was going to talk about it. Because, you know, a lot of niggas be on that time of where they act in, like, super tough.

Starting point is 01:03:13 And then you get them in the cell and it's like, yo, bro, you know what I'm saying? But, nah, we're going to do all that. So that guy you kicked up to the penitentiary? Yep. That's when they said, hey, you know, you getting out of here. Was there any campers in the shoe with you at that point? Yeah, of course. I ended up becoming really close to one of the campers that he got caught with himself.

Starting point is 01:03:33 You know the name? Or? You know the name or? No, it's crazy because me and him after I left. just lost contact. It was crazy how that shit happens. You know what I mean? You'd be mad cool with somebody one day and then get shipped away and never hear from him again.

Starting point is 01:03:45 You don't remember his name, though? Nah. He was a dude from Puerto Rico. His wife ended up moving over to Wisconsin just to be closer to him and be able to see him and shit. Oh, shit. Yeah. Did you see what he looked like? Yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:03:59 Short dude was going kind of bored. He was got that Puerto Rican Caesar Cup. You know what I mean? Short tattoos. He's a little stocky. He didn't really speak English. Did he say how long he was there for? No, I wouldn't remember right now.

Starting point is 01:04:14 Oh, okay. Yeah, he probably was with the- What year was it? That was like- That was during COVID. So 2020? Like, yeah, the 2020, like the 2020, December of 2019, that would be now.

Starting point is 01:04:27 It would have been 19? Yeah, because when did COVID start? Because I remember COVID- No, 2020. All right, so, but I went to the box in December. Of 2020? No, the year before COVID-Stine. Oh, right when it was-

Starting point is 01:04:38 Starting. Yeah. Okay. So, like, I didn't even hear about COVID. COVID put me through some shit, too. Yeah, I probably knew the guy because I left that January before. Yeah. I think they called him, like, menor.

Starting point is 01:04:50 I don't know. Yeah. But, fucking, yeah, I stayed over there from December to March. I stayed in the box. And then they shipped the penitentiary. Yeah. Nah, so obviously I had to go through transit. Then the craziest shit happened to me.

Starting point is 01:05:04 Fucking, when I'm in the middle of transit, um, they take me to terror hut. Indiana. That's the death facility, right? Yeah, where they're killing everybody. Yeah, fucking doing the, what's that shit called? Where they kill the people's? Death row, like the gas chamber or lethal injection.

Starting point is 01:05:22 So, executions. Executions, yeah. Yeah, so when I went over there, it's crazy because I was supposed to be on the first plane out of there. And you know, like, you're lucky if you're on that first plane out of there. And, like, the first plane was like, the same. weekend that I got there. Like, I probably got there, like, on a Thursday by, like, Monday I was supposed to be out of there.

Starting point is 01:05:43 The CEO was walking on telling everyone who's on the list. But when he comes back around, he's selling everyone, nah, you're not, you ain't getting on the plane anymore. So we're thinking he's joking with us. You know, the CEOs like to play a lot of games and shit. So we're thinking he's joking. He's like, nah, this is a virus out there. My job, I've been in the box since December, so I have no idea about people getting sick,

Starting point is 01:06:05 nothing. And I had my phone taken away, so I couldn't call nobody. The most I could do is letters. And I'm not hearing nothing about nobody getting sick. So this dude talking about there's a virus going around. Everyone's dying and all this crazy. Their government's shutting down and there's no more airplanes and all this crazy shit. I'm like, bro, what the fuck this is this dude talking about?

Starting point is 01:06:24 Like, the way he was talking about it was like, yo, there's like a zombie apocalypse going out out there. Now, everyone's talking about martial law and they're going to kill us and they're going to kill all of us, especially because of gas chambers right there. You know, everyone's just panicking going crazy. Bro, that was nuts. I was in there from March to like October. In the shoe? In the beginning of October, yeah, without knowing what I was getting out. And mind you already did the shoe time before that in December.

Starting point is 01:06:53 Because they stopped transits and everything. Yeah, and not knowing when you're getting out. Not knowing. My mom's asking me, why can't, she's writing me letters. Why can't I visit you? Like, whoa, because they're not letting nobody in. Like, I don't know. Like, I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:07:06 I guess by then they already started letting people fly a little bit, whatever, but nobody really wanted to get on plane. She's over here trying to figure out how she could come see me. I'm like, though, they're not going to let you. I'm in the middle of transit. Like, I'm in the box. Like, they don't have visit for us. And she's not understanding this. I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:07:23 Like, that shit's weird, but there wasn't much I could do about it. You know what I mean? My mom suffered that shit a lot. So, and I was damn there going crazy because the dudes is yelling all night, keeping dudes awake. And then the dudes that are mad about that are yelling all day to keep the other guys awake. You know what I mean? We tried to make our own air plugs, but it wasn't working. A whole inside of the air getting cut up from toilet people.

Starting point is 01:07:50 It was bad, you know what I'm saying? We were sleep deprived. It wasn't trying to give us books, puzzles, nothing. It was just like every time they would come through once a week, the administration would just come through whatever. And literally, anytime we complained was, welcome to our help. Like, no ketchup for the burgers, no nothing. Like, the portions is crazy. Like, yo, they really treated us nuts in there.

Starting point is 01:08:14 Do you think that all that time in solitary messed you up mentally? It definitely did something for sure. But it could have been worse because I know a lot of people that went crazy for less. You know what I mean? And if you're not strong-minded, it'll definitely take over, you know? And honestly, what got me through a lot was just praying. I prayed a lot. I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:08:36 I paid a lot for myself, pay a lot for my family. And shit. We threw it. So where do they send you? What penitentiary? So I got designated to Beaumont first. But in the middle of transit,

Starting point is 01:08:50 by the time I got to Oklahoma, they told me I was going to Canaan. And how much time do you have left? Not that much, right? By this point? Yeah, at that point, I probably had, like, a year and a half left. Yeah, because by the time I got to Canaan, it was already my birthday.

Starting point is 01:09:10 My birthday is November. It was a couple weeks before my birthday. And then I ended up getting out the August after that. So it wasn't even like a full year that I spent her Canaan. What was Canaan like? Canaan was cool. Canaan was gangster. Canaan was nuts.

Starting point is 01:09:25 Until it wasn't. Nah, honestly, I left there, swoo. I didn't go to the box and I once. Wow. That was a blessing. Isn't that ironic? On Mac security, you have no problem. It was locked down most of the time, but yeah, shit definitely got crazy in there too.

Starting point is 01:09:40 She got real crazy in there at one point. What are the politics, like, who approaches you when you got there? No, you're running with. Tell them who I'm running with and I sit and I'm saying. I see everyone got their own cells so I couldn't stay in the cell. I think one of the cells I was in was like a black hand cell. So I had to get up out of there, you know what I'm saying? Moving with my people.

Starting point is 01:09:59 I'm saying. It was smooth, I'm saying. We was locked down a lot. Like when I got there, it was still locked down because of COVID. So, like, I was locked down. We was locked down to, like, probably, like, January. Then they started doing split-tier wreck. Like, it was a lot of lockdown.

Starting point is 01:10:12 But I had my own cell for a long time in there. I had a TV cell where I'm looking at probably, like, I have four different views. I'm saying, I had a senior TV. I had my homie's TVs. And then we had another two TVs over there. I think it was, like, the whites and the Midwest. So I had, you know what I'm saying? Best of, like, all worlds right there.

Starting point is 01:10:32 So just right there, that was my world. that little window, sit on my chairs, watching my TV when my radio in. And who are you running with? I was running with some guys, man. I don't want to say too much. Okay, so you go without issues because most of it's locked down that year. Yeah, but it's great because I still got into some issues. But, like, it never got to that point.

Starting point is 01:10:58 You know what I mean? Because, you know, the politics, they always try to, like, most, like, half the time. They try to, I'm saying, like, defuse the situation, find a way to the fused the situation before we get there. Because, you know, once it gets there, it's like, there's no stopping it. And I'm saying, like, it's not just, oh, we're just going to go in this out one-on-one-one-law. They know, like, those just get stabbed. Like, I'm saying, I don't see some shit. Nikes just getting hit with them locks.

Starting point is 01:11:21 Nogues is going to stab. Their face cut open, I'm saying. Like, they don't see some shit. What was the worst thing you saw there? Probably, probably, damn. Probably stabbing, man. dude got stabbed up in his neck in his face. I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:41 That was this last time. Over what? What happened? Over a fucking... Over a miscommunication. A lot of things be over a miscommunication. And it's crazy because you could really lose your life over that miscommunication. I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:11:58 And really like, like, let's say me and you were in the same car, I'm saying? but we both have two different sides to a story and dudes fuck with you more fuck around the other dude you could really be like telling a story that's not true and I'm saying the other dude who got taken out just, you know what I'm saying for that

Starting point is 01:12:18 for me? So it's crazy and like I seen a lot of it I was there for a lot of it I participated in a lot of shit and it's like I had a participate in shit that I really didn't even believe in sometimes

Starting point is 01:12:34 I'm saying, because it's like, damn, I don't think this dude deserves all this for that. But it's like, shit. If we're going, we're going. I'm saying? We're out of here. I'm saying? And then we'll sit down in the box and laugh about it. Looking back on that now, do you find it all silly?

Starting point is 01:12:50 Like the rules in prison, how you behaved in prison, what you did there? Honestly, I feel like a lot of decisions people made were silly. But it's like, there's a lot of good people in there, too, you know what I'm saying? I run into a lot of, like, big-name street people that they're great people. And I'm saying? Like, they're in there for crazy shit, but they care about their people. You know what I'm saying? And anybody trying to cause harm to their people is going down whether they just met you today or not.

Starting point is 01:13:22 And I'm saying? And I seen, like, a lot of gangs was like that. You say you're my gang and you pulling up. I'm going to make sure that, like, I don't know you from a hole in the wall. But I'm going to make sure I see that nigga running out you with a knife. I'm going to stab him in his face before he could get to you. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, like, there's a lot of love.

Starting point is 01:13:39 When you, when you're spending your birthdays and holidays and, like, people are going through shit in there. And I'm saying, and the only niggas you have to turn to is your homies. It's like, you build a different type of bond. Like, yo, if I have to die in here over my homie, I'm a die in here over my homie. So do you find yourself prioritizing those people over your own family? Because if you're willing to die over someone in prison. I think I would put them in the same category as my family. You know what I mean? Because I would do the same for my family.

Starting point is 01:14:10 And then I wouldn't be there for them. I'm saying. It's like, bro, you guys are pretty much my family now. Or the holidays, everything we've been through. Like, when my boy had his son born, he couldn't be there for him. I'm saying. He had no one else to talk to. He's talking to me, you know what I'm saying? And like, we never grew up together, nothing.

Starting point is 01:14:29 He can't call his people. You know what I'm saying? You can't even use it for him. I'm saying, you got to say here to vent to me. I'm saying, your girl doing you dirty. I'm the one listening to you. You know what I'm saying? Give me you advice, trying to tell you what to do.

Starting point is 01:14:39 You know what I'm saying? It's like you just go a different bond with people. These people that you're saying that you would die for, if we have them here today, would they say the same for you? Hell yeah. You think? Hell yeah. We've been through it.

Starting point is 01:14:51 I've been through. I've seen it. I'm saying. People volunteer to do shit. Like, yo, all right, that nigger got to get out of here. I'm going to go ahead and stab them. I'm saying. I'm going to make sure shit.

Starting point is 01:15:02 If anything happens, I'm going to do life in prison because I'm saying just for the friend of my people's. I'm saying? So it's like, I've seen it. I've been there. So how much time do you do on the five years altogether? Because you probably lost a lot of good time. Yeah, no. I think they let me keep the good time that I earned the two and a half years I was in there,

Starting point is 01:15:21 but I still ended up getting out. I got locked up July of, of, it wasn't a fourth of July. But it was July, it was like two days after Fourth of July of 2017. And then I didn't get out until August of, 2021. Okay. I was out for five months. I went right back in.

Starting point is 01:15:45 What did you go back for? Well, I did my six months halfway house, was in the street for five months. And then, I caught another pistol charge. Why? What propels you to go back onto the streets when you get out after that much time?

Starting point is 01:16:00 Do you think you just didn't learn your lesson? It's a little bit of that, I'm saying? But it's like, I'm always, going to be a part of my environment. I'm saying, like, if you take me out of that environment, I don't think I would be in the same situations, what I'm saying? But it's like, the fact of who I am in these streets and people don't like that, I'm

Starting point is 01:16:21 saying, especially, like, the younger people that they hear my name, I'm saying, they always heard of me in the streets, and it's like, like, the ops is talking about me like, yo, we gotta kill that, nigger, like, well, now these little kids is, like, coming up, like, shit, we gotta kill them now, like, no I'm saying, like, facts, like, and shit, I'm saying, shit got a little dangerous, and I'm saying, having a name that I have. So, you know what I'm saying? I got to protect myself.

Starting point is 01:16:46 What is your name? What's your reputation? I don't say too much about that either. Okay. So, but now you're saying product of your environment, you're old enough to remove yourself from that environment, right? Couldn't you move to a different? No, really.

Starting point is 01:17:01 Like, I'm on probation. I'm on two different probation. And I've tried this before, where I've had a great job opportunity in New Jersey. that a friend's hooking me up doing solar panels and shit. And I'm talking to my probation officer. My probation officer is like, well, that's going to take some time. Like, these people need me like ASAP.

Starting point is 01:17:19 I'm saying you're talking about it's going to take like about 30 days for us. And then you got to deal with the state too. The state's going to take a little longer. We got to talk to the courts and you haven't been working. You know what I'm saying? Like they're telling me all this shit I haven't been doing. I was like, shit, I haven't been working. I can't even fucking get a job.

Starting point is 01:17:34 The record I got, I'm saying. No prior experience. The only thing I got is that MTTI education, but it's like, all right, they look at when I graduated and then I haven't had no job experience since. It's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, people look at me as a liability, especially like right now, even like, I'm saying. I try to apply to a few places and people would literally hire me and then call me right back, like, you know, we looked into your record and I'm sorry, but just don't come in tomorrow.

Starting point is 01:18:06 I'm saying where like I've been to the point where it's like, yo, like, I know you see my record. Like, I'm saying trying to convince these people to give me a job because it's like, I don't want to keep doing this shit, but it's like you guys is giving me no choice at this point. And it's like, I'm trying to leave and probation is making it hard for me. And it's like I'm finally about to get a job. Like I could get this job. I've been doing good. Like, you know what I'm saying?

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Starting point is 01:20:28 But it was on body cam. They illegally searched my car and then fucking, yeah. ended up getting the seven months for that, but I ended up getting out another, I lasted another five months, I went back for another gun. What's with you on guns? My theory is, I'd rather my mom be able to come see me in prison, you know what I mean, and talk to me and be able to hug me and get them phone calls from me, then for my mom to have to go visit me at a grave where she can't talk to me, she can't hold them.

Starting point is 01:21:04 She can't hold me no more. She can't hug me. She can't call me. What I'm saying? No, she's doing it. She's looking at a rock. I'm saying, like in the ground, bro. Like, so I'd rather you than me, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:21:16 Like, if someone got to die, like, I'm not playing that, bro. My family loves me too much, you know what I'm saying? And you got these combos that don't even got, like, family that cares about them out here. Fucking trying to make a name for myself from the streets, fucking around. Like, I'm saying, I ain't going to die over no combo-ass, boy. Do you consider yourself? a violent person at this point. Honestly, I'm very friendly to a certain extent.

Starting point is 01:21:40 Like, I'll sit there and vibe. I'm saying, like, I go out and I'm a vibe. Like, I'm cool with you. You introduce me to somebody. I show love, I'm saying? Because I'm saying, because I'm people's people. I'm saying? You show me love.

Starting point is 01:21:52 Like, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, sometimes I walk into somewhere dudes be standing at me. And it's like, I really be on my time and like, oh, shit, like, where are you standing at me for? And really, they'll come up to me. Like, yo, I know you, I know you see. me staring at you. Like, I just like your tattoos. I was wondering who you go to. Like, what I'm saying? It's like, I don't, it doesn't always have to be like that.

Starting point is 01:22:10 I hate people that try to be super tough all the time. I'm saying. Like, I don't like negative energy. Because when you put that negative energy out there, that shit comes back to for me. Like, I'm a strong believer in that. So I don't fuck around, I'm saying. But when it gets to that point, it's like, you'll see me switch real fast. I'm saying. Like, I don't play around. I'm saying. I've been like that before my favorite shit. But, like, I feel like, even my mom says it, like, me. me going to the feds, like, she made me worse. Like, she don't, like, see me as, like, that person I was anymore.

Starting point is 01:22:40 Like, I changed. I'm saying, it's like, I'm just, like, I'm more aware of the bullshit, I'm saying, and I'm less tolerant. I'm saying, I don't pay that shit. So what's your plan? How do you avoid this cycle, this pattern, you know? Like, here you are, you just got done with another bid? So I feel like all my bids have taught me something.

Starting point is 01:23:01 You know what I mean? It might have not been my time. to the first bid or the second bid. I'm saying, but I used my time well, especially, like, my time's in the box and all that when I was able to have books. You know what I mean? I've educated myself. Instead of being there, like, trying to be all about banging and all that hood shit and

Starting point is 01:23:24 doing drugs and all that shit, and I'm saying, I sat there and I educated myself, I'm saying, how things that I want to do. I told you I graduated from MTTI for building the property trades, and that's really was the avenue I wanted to get into. So I got me a lot of books on property management, property investment, on how to start a business, like investing,

Starting point is 01:23:45 just like rich, that poor dad, thinking grow rich, even 50s, hustle harder, hustle smarter, fucking Rick Ross's perfect day to boss up. Like, I really, like, what I'm saying? Like, I was working out for me. Like, I was really just trying to take that

Starting point is 01:24:03 time for myself because I didn't want to come home and, like, just had nothing to show for the time that I wasn't there. You know what I mean? Come home sounding stupid. Like, not knowing nothing. And I'm saying just, I felt like I was preparing myself to not come back and really do what I want to do. And I feel like, let's say I didn't go down the path I went through. I might have ended up like my parents. Like, now my parents, they're great. They go on two big trips every year for like a couple weeks. Last trip I think they took was like for a half a month that go out to D, R, Cancun. They, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:24:36 But they work at a factory. My step that works 12 hours a day. He's not happy. All you're doing complaining about work, I'm saying? They both got nice cars. They both own their own houses. Like, my stepdad owns his rental property. My mom owns her crib and rents out of the upstairs.

Starting point is 01:24:50 You know what I'm saying? Like, they're doing well, but they're not happy, you know what I'm saying? And I just, that never was me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't trying to be that person. Like, I'm trying to, if I'm working, I'm going to use that money to invest in society. know. So try to make more money, you know what I'm saying? Just get my money off, no I'm saying. Just get to that point where I get to financial freedom.

Starting point is 01:25:10 I won't have to worry about working, so I don't have to complain. And I feel the earlier I started the better, and I wouldn't have learned all of this if I didn't go to prison. So do you think you can successfully stay away from the streets now? Of course. Like, right now I'm doing all right, I'm saying. So I'm not sound judge no more, what I'm saying? And I actually got me a job. recently finally got hired and I'm working on saying I'm saying I'm putting my money together and I'm going to invest I'm a dude I'm not going to let that learning go to waste I still have all my prison books at the house so I can use them for references like folded corners I've

Starting point is 01:25:48 underlined things you know what I mean I got no books filled with stuff I'm saying I'm starting my own brand my name splurge and I'm saying that's SPLRRRG I'm saying it's acronym for spend profit like rich guys like I got some clothing thing going on like I got my lower I got my music, you know what I'm saying? It's like, I'm just investing into myself, I'm saying, well, it's best for me, I'm saying? The show other people that you could do it, I'm saying? Because I sit here and I try to preach it, like, to, like, my mom and stuff,

Starting point is 01:26:14 and it's like, she's so skeptical, like, because she just worked all her life for everything she got, and I'm saying, it's like, she doesn't want to lose money, and it's, like, the best way I could help my people is by showing them instead of telling them, you know what I mean? So it's like, that's what I'm working on right now. Now what about the tattoos? I know the audience is very,

Starting point is 01:26:33 curious about that. Do you have regrets, you know, especially like the face tattoos? Do you feel like that holds you back at all? What's your plan? I do feel like it holds me back, like, maybe like in like the job situation. But, and like maybe like me and people like networking, you know what I I mean? Because obviously I'm not, you know, no professors and lawyers is going to want to give me no knowledge thinking like, I'm saying, oh, nah, he's just a little hoodl him and shit. But I really like, I still get loved. I'm saying, I don't regret nothing. I'm saying, like, this is what I want to since I was a kid. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:27:04 I wanted to be tattooed. I got my first tattoo when I was 14. She's my little sister up. She tatted up just like me, you know what I'm saying? My brother was out there, tattered up just like me, you know what I'm saying? So that's just who I am, you know what I'm saying? So it was like to take the tattoos away from me. It's like, then that's not me no more.

Starting point is 01:27:19 What about the face tattoos? What are they? Man, I got my grandmother's initials on my eyebrow and my crosses. And my cross is represent my journey and finding God. Like, everything means sign. You know what I mean? I don't got no bullshit. How do you think you can, you know, make amends with your mom for all that you've put her through?

Starting point is 01:27:37 Doing what I'm doing right now, man. Like, staying on a street path, staying out of trouble. You know what I mean? Just working on my goals because if I'm good, she's going to be good. You know what I mean? And, like, just me staying out of trouble makes her happy. You know what I mean? And I'm glad I could do that for her.

Starting point is 01:27:52 You know what I mean? And, like, I'm past, like, I just turned 30 in November. I look a lot younger, but it's like, I'm not a little kid no more. And I'm saying, it's time for me to get my. shit together because honestly, where I'd be seeing a prison is a whole lot of people coming in and out. That's crazy because that's why I lost my train of thought. I'm in there for years and dudes is getting two months at a time to get out for two weeks and come right back, well, like, that shit's just nuts. So it's like, I ain't one on a pair. I ain't no bozo-ass

Starting point is 01:28:22 niggas, like, I'm too smooth-ahed-ass shit. Like, I'm saying. I touched way too much paper over here. Like, I do too much. Like, I'm really, like, I'm saying? Like, I'm locked in. You know what I'm saying? I just got to do better for myself because at the end of the day, that's no life to live. That's just crazy. I'm saying dealing with all that shit.

Starting point is 01:28:40 I'm saying I'm lucky to be out here. What's something you know now that you wish you knew as a kid before you ever went to the streets? Save your money. Save your fucking money. It's kid because people used to tell me all the time, man.

Starting point is 01:28:52 My name is Splurge. I appreciate you because save it then Splurge. Well, I appreciate you coming on the show today, man. Thank you. Yeah, wish you and your family happy and healthy New Year and stay out of trouble do what you're supposed to do. Thank you. Thank you. I, I appreciate you.

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