Locked In with Ian Bick - The Strip Club Fight That Landed Me in a Women’s Maximum-Security Prison | Alysia Smith

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

Alysia Smith tells the story of a strip club fight that escalated beyond control, leading to her being sent to a women’s maximum-security prison. #WomenInPrison #MaximumSecurity #PrisonLife #TrueCrime #SurvivingBehindBars #CriminalJustice #LifeChangingMoments #hardtimes Thank you to LUCY & DRAFT KINGS for sponsoring today’s episode: LUCY: Let’s level up your nicotine routine with Lucy.  Go to HTTP://LUCY.CO/IANBICK and use promo code (IANBICK) to get 20% off your first order. Lucy has a 30-day refund policy if you change your mind.  DRAFT KINGS: New players can get FIVE HUNDRED CASINO SPINS ON A FEATURED GAME! Just sign up with code IANBICK and wager a minimum of five dollars to receive FIVE HUNDRED CASINO SPINS ON A FEATURED GAME. Connect with Alysia Smith: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/15mPHUsiNy/?mibextid=wwXIfr Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/allie.say.what?igsh=MTgwc3BvYzFiYWloYQ%3D%3D&utm_source=qr Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@allie.say.what?_t=ZT-8tnqdDnoOD5&_r=1" Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Presented by Tyson 2.0 & Wooooo Energy: https://tyson20.com/ https://woooooenergy.com/ Buy Merch: https://convictclothing.net/collections/convict-clothing-x-ian-bick Timestamps: 00:00:00 Growing Up in Akron, Ohio 00:05:33 Career in Psychiatry: Challenges and Stories 00:10:52 The Gruesome Discovery: Mother and Son's Unsettling Encounter 00:16:25 Challenges of Managing a Team During Difficult Times 00:21:52 Arrest and Legal Battle Insights 00:27:16 The Unexpected Arrest and Release 00:32:26 Legal Battles and Attorney Issues 00:38:10 The Trial Experience: Self-Defense and Jury Dynamics 00:43:55 Life-Altering Consequences of a Split-Second Decision 00:48:39 Navigating Prison Dynamics: Maintaining Composure and Bluffing 00:53:53 Life in Maximum Security: First Impressions and Challenges 00:59:20 Challenges and Relapses on Probation 01:04:23 Life Inside: Commissary and Entertainment 01:09:31 A Harrowing Journey to County Jail 01:14:42 Journey from Florida to Ohio: A Life Transition 01:20:21 Journey to Sobriety: Overcoming Addiction 01:25:22 Prison Memories and Acceptance Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Results may vary. Allie, welcome to Locked in. You drove here from Ohio to be here today. Yes. Thank you for having me. That's your first ever podcast, right? Yes. Yes, it is.

And you did indeed go to prison. The audience isn't going to believe it. They're going to think you're 60 days in contested, looking at you. But, you know, the criminal justice system does not discriminate. No. So did you grow up in Ohio? Yes, born and raised. Where in Ohio?

Akron. Akron. The, you know, the city of alcoholics. Is that really what they call it? Well, that's where AA was founded. Really? Yeah, normally people are like, oh, you're from the alcoholics. City, you're like where they found that? I'm like, I guess. How did you know about that? Did you

like look into that? So, yeah, they have this annual thing every year in Ohio. Like, it was literally down the road from my childhood home, like the marathons, the bikers, everything. They would come in from different states to honor AA and, you know, this annual festival. It wasn't my thing, but it was interesting later on. Who were you raised by? Dad mainly. Mom left the picture around my teenage years. Would your dad do for work? So he worked in, I don't know an exact title for it, but he worked like second and third shipped in like a manufacturing company as a supervisor.

So, I mean, he did all right, especially for raising my brother and I later on. And how many siblings did you have total? So it was just me and my brother, his children. Then my older sister, she has a different dad. She was raised by my grandparents. And did you have a close relationship with your mom at all before the teenage years? No, no. It was just it wasn't okay.

Like you could never be too close to her because she wasn't that type of person. So it honestly was a relief when she left. And you haven't had any communication with her. since? Not since 2018. Oh, wow. Honest, I'm relieved. Okay. As long as you're happy then.

Yeah. Were you and your brother close growing up? Push came to shove when we had our moments. Like, no one was a lot picking on him. No one was allowed, just me. So, you know, I had his back, but when we were at home, he was kind of, like, resistant. Because our mom wasn't around, so I had to take on the wrong. role to help him.

You know, he's mentally slow. You can tell it's from fetal alcohol syndrome. So he's, I don't want to say borderline handicap, but he is. And he needed that additional help. He moved to Colorado, so I haven't seen him in years. Do you guys still talk? No. His husband doesn't want him communicating with a family.

Really? Oh, that's terrible. Yeah. But, you know, I'm not going to force him to do anything he doesn't want to do. If he wants to reach out, that's on him. Can't force someone to do that. Well, maybe he'll see this, and it'll inspire him to reach out. We'll see.

So how would people describe you as a kid? What were you like back then? I was mischievous. I really was. So funny story. This is a good example of me as a kid. When my brother was little, he wasn't, he wasn't, crawling yet. So I'm about three and a half or four, about four. And my dad was watching us. My mom was at

work. He went upstairs to the bathroom. My brother's sleeping on the floor. So I looked upstairs. I looked back at my brother and shoved him under the couch. He's sleeping. This kid could sleep through anything. So my dad comes back downstairs and I'm like, Daddy, where's Ryan? Like he's freaking out and nothing, nothing coming from me. So he's calling, finding out, not calling my mom, but like my grandma, law enforcement trying to figure out where my brother is. He thought his ex-wife took my brother. So he started stirring under the couch after, I don't know how long, but this just describes his parenting. He started stirring up under the couch and I look up. I was like, there he is. And my dad's like, he knew I did it because my brother wasn't crawling yet. So

That just kind of describes me as a kid that a prankster, you know, rotten to a point because I could do that with my dad. He didn't punish me hard, but when it came to discipline, push comes to the chef, he would. Now, in high school, did you have career aspirations, what you wanted to do in life, college, all of that? So my dad kind of pushed me towards the health care field, but then IT. I went with the health care field. It's what I knew, and I did not like it. So I spent years working in behavioral health. It was very intriguing.

I became like a behavioral specialist doing assessments, care plans, things like that. Because I went to Kent State University for psychology after I decided halfway through nursing school. No, I don't want to do this. Kent State's for nursing, right? No, it has a nursing program. It's a really good nursing program. My cousin went there for nursing. Really? Yeah. They have a really good psychology program too. Okay. And you ended up getting your diploma there and graduating and all that. Yeah, I had two associate degrees as well. And you're not even using them probably now, right? Not anymore.

That's funny. So what happens after college? Where does life take you? So I worked in psychiatry for a while. Never a dull moment. Never. Even the doctor was a headcase himself. So I'm not going to drop names, but yeah, he was. I mean, people like that, they go into behavioral health, you know, have something of their own that they battle. But, you know, one of the cases, one of the patients that really stood out to me, he really didn't have a support system, but he accidentally shot his friend. They had guns laying out on the table. And so he's 12 years old.

Him and his friend, neighborhood friend, they're playing with the guns, not supervised, nothing. Shot and killed his friend. Wow. So he was in his 20s when I met him. He, like, so many times he tried to commit suicide. And then his mom not handling life at all. And she was a patient there too. And she, he had to take care of her.

And I kind of encouraged him. He was looking for jobs. I gave him a list of jobs to where he could start. start and I saw, you know, something's spark where he felt encouraged that made me feel better because the next time I saw him, he was in a better state of mind. I was like, if I could have that influence on people, that's what I want to do. So, and there was other cases, too, ones that I wasn't fortunate enough to help out because we had gained a new patient and mom was a patient too. They were both struggling with dad's abuse, the husband's abuse. And that Friday, he came in

to seek help. Mom came with him, his girlfriend. He had a, you know, a mild support system. And so he wanted to come back in and start, you know, therapy, start being treated for, you know, things that he was facing, like his inner demons. That weekend, it's right before Christmas, he ends up shooting his dad, killing him, and then turning the gun on him. and killing him. It made the news, and that was heartbreaking because we had a chance. He was so close. He was willing to come back in.

That's one of those cases that breaks my heart because you could see that he wanted him and his mom were like wanting more help. It was too late. So in that line of work, did you work with a lot of people involved in the criminal justice system, like guys getting out of prison or a woman or just even going through that? Not as much. We had a lot. but a lot of them were drug cases.

We had one. He tested positive for everything. So the doctor I had worked for specialized in, you know, addiction, things like that. So the one guy came and tested positive for everything. And I was like, okay, let's get your, you know, drug test done and all this other stuff. And he's like at the window, hey, like eyes about pop out of his head. And I'm like, oh, my God, what do I do? And I was like, calm down.

He goes, you don't tell me to calm down. I'm like, all right, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. He goes, I'm going to snap your neck. I'm like, I'm just like, do it. I'm like, I'm going to have to ask you to leave. His girlfriend, like, pushes him out the door, but his face was like, well, this girl ain't playing around. This was like his fourth time coming back.

He had served three, he has three prison numbers. And he ended up coming back. And I said, hey, how are you doing? good. I was like, you remember me? He's like, so I told the doctor, I was like, he's no longer mad at me. He goes, well, yeah, he went blue a couple times. His memory shot. I'm like, got it. So I faced a couple where they're like trying to tower over me. And I'm, I wasn't a black belt yet. Yeah, tell the audience about your little karate career. So I'm a second degree black belt. And that's how I caught a felonious assault charge. Which we'll get to later in the episode.

So what was your opinion on like the criminal justice system, people that were in the prison system? Like did you have one growing up? Before? Yeah, before. You know, and even in your role, I think that's what makes it even more interesting that you were in that psychology field before. So before school, before the psychology, putting it all aside, I'm like, well, people in prison are dangerous. They need to stay there. That, you know, my naive mind, my simple mind, none of them should leave, blah, blah, blah.

And so I had just finished up school for psychology. A lady I used to work with in the medical field back in like 2007, 2008. She would come into work bruised, purple, yellow. Like, you could see new bruises, old bruises. She was miserable. Her husband was beating her. And about 2017, if I remember correctly, she ends up killing her husband. and I'm like in shock, but not in shock, but it's the fact she dismembered his body, kept it inside.

So her son, I mean, there's audio recordings from 911 where the son came home from a university, left his keys back at the university, which is like a couple hours away, climbs in through the window, smells, it's in that particular room from what the article and everything says. And it smelled bad. He goes, mom, what is that smell? That's your father. I'm not kidding. It's all there. And I was like, and I hate to say this, good riddance to him. Like, I wish she could have afforded, you know, to divorce him.

And it came to that. But I don't feel bad for him. Like, she was relieved and I end up running into her in prison. She was at the prison you were at. Yeah, we're in the same housing. And who called the cops? Do you know? The kid? Your son. The son called the cops. And what did she end up getting life or something? I don't remember. I didn't want to ask her, but I remember reading about it, but that was

years before my experience. It's always interesting, like going into prison and running into someone that you read about, like Joe Judeyce from the housewives I was in prison with. Oh. Yeah, he was on my side. So on the visiting room, you would see like Teresa and his family and stuff and I would stand in front of him on that lunch line sometimes like I had the Us Weekly news or magazine so you'd see him on the headlines of it and he's literally there it's pretty crazy there's a lot of a lot of cases that I saw I was like oh my gosh that's her that's her you don't want to say like celebrity but it's the media it's like oh my gosh I remember but like when she did a psychological evaluation the lady that you know I used to work with and

I feel like when I saw her behind bars, she was relieved. And I did not feel bad that, you know, he was killed. I mean, for the kids' sake, yeah, I felt bad that they're without a dad. But there is nothing she... I mean, there's things she could have done. But she was at her wits end and took care of it herself. Controversy to that. How long were you in the psychology field for?

Oh, technically, since... to that, well, before I even graduated high school since 2005, 2006. And then did you stop because of your case, or did you stop because you wanted to do something different? Once I got a conviction, I stopped. I was still working in the field, even though I had that pending. I was working for a department of children and families. Never once have I been in trouble for violence or anything. I probably got written up for being late or calling off.

That was it. So to put it into perspective, you were never in trouble, you never had problems with addiction or anything like that up until what happens to you happens? So I had my break in my, when I decided to pick up and move to Florida is where I fell off being a good role model. I was just the custody battle, things like that. I fell off at that point in 2019. So I was taking benzos and drinking. So that's where I was like, I like this feeling. I did.

And I didn't admit it for a while. But I was like, it's a quick way to like, you know, be drunk. And the amount of medication I was on, like, they prescribed it for panic attacks. My, the psychiatrist had me on 90 milligrams of Adderall day too. Wow. So mixed that with the benzos. That's like fire and ice. How were you first exposed to Benzos?

Why did you choose to go to that? My son's father has a history of... He doesn't have, like, a record or anything, but he's put his hands on me. And so when we were switching my son out, you know, back and forth, facing him was terrifying. I didn't want to. It was like I would stay still, like didn't want to face him.

So they're like, we're going to give you Benzos over top of the Trasadone. You're already on. and a whole different feeling. And you were still actively working in your field as well while on that? So I didn't take them while I was in the field. After, during COVID, during COVID where I was working around the clock, where I was living at work with my dogs. That's when I started taking them more. Most people had gained weight during COVID.

I dropped almost 20 pounds. I went from like 128 down to like 103. 104. I was miserable. I didn't get to see my son, nothing. And no one around you was taking notice to that to say, are you okay? Do you need me out?

No. Oh, and I imagine all the calls because this is COVID or over Zoom and stuff. You were doing virtual? No, I was, so the people I, so working in the field I was, so it was the Department of Children and Families and agents. persons with disabilities too. So we worked together. So I was doing assessments for, you know, people's activities of daily living, what they could do to live on their own, their limitations, like if they're wheelchair bound, if they're, you know, going to need additional help, quarterly

meetings. I end up having to be more hands-on during COVID. And that was, I have four people that I'm in charge of. All are different cases. I have to be exposed to them. I'm putting them, I feel like, in danger. Not being able to see my son over top of that, you know, your boss would call, you know, checking up. Not coming to visit, obviously.

I had to keep it together for all these people. But it's like once they would go to bed, like I would, you know, have a benzo here and there and, you know, alcohol and then pass out and then I'd wake up and do it all over again. No, this is the quickest way to pass out. This was in Florida. How long did that go on for before you said, you know,

I'm packing up and leaving? Well, I had no choice to pack up and leave. Well, so 2022, when I came back to Ohio for trial, that's when I had to come back unwillingly. Permanently. Well, yes, but then I had permission after I got out to return. because I was doing good. And then I got down there and I'm like, just things came back.

I was like, I thought I was going to make it down there again. And I was like, this is the reason I got worse. I wasn't around my support system. So I got approved after getting approved to go back to Florida, transfer probation back to Ohio. Okay. So end of September when the hurricane hit, Haleen, we ended up moving up back to Ohio. Ohio. The hurricane hit when we made it to Tennessee. So we've been back up here since like end of September. So did you catch your case in Florida? No, Ohio. Ohio. All right. Do you want a cleaner,

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I did not handle it well, but I made down there trying, putting out of front. I really was. And it just if people down there are different, it's definitely like the Bible belt. Like you could do, like if you're married,

you can't say you're getting divorced. If you're on the verge of divorce, you couldn't be gay. You know, that was frowned upon. So just seeing like, oh, you're not married and you have a kid, things like that, I'm like, you know, you know, thanks. Thanks for like labeling me. But I, you know, kept it together. Made a lot of friends. I started drinking more because they went out.

And then I came back to Ohio for my dad's birthday in April. So I stay like, you know, about a week or so at a time. I went to a club, you know, about a couple days after his birthday. And it's somewhere where I used to work. And one of the exotic dancers introduced me to this girl she became friends with. And she got fired from this girl who's only been there a week. I found out rolling back got fired from the other club for doing illegal stuff. This girl came after me.

She tried to steal my purse from me. And I'm like, back off. Back off. Didn't do anything. I reported it to the manager. I'm like, hey, this new girl, she's an issue. So, then she's running her mouth on, like, give me these dirty looks. And this is the first time I mixed benzos and alcohol, 2019.

And I'm just running my mouth. I was like, don't get dances from her. She's going to rob you. And we get in an argument. We were like, I'm just going off. And I'm like, blah, blah, blah. And she comes around the corner with a stiletto in her hand coming at me. and I block her with my right leg

and then I just throw a punch and broke her nose and then we go down the ground people separate us and her nose is bloody and she's like you stupid you broke my nose

and I remember saying I was like I hope you have a warranty on it because she said it was her new nose and sober me would not have said that nor would I've started to fight or according to the courts that's what I did But technically she started the fight by that story.

Oh, they didn't care. They saw second-degree black belt game over. So what happens in the moments after you guys get split up? Do you leave? Do you stay? Do the cops come? I told the manager, go check the video. She came after me.

Then I'm standing there for like 45 minutes. And then he put the blame on me. The manager. I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm like, are you kidding me? Police come. I get arrested. I got to watch the videos like this.

You could tell I'm drunk and it was bad. Were you talking smack to the police? Like were you acting out at all? No. No. And they didn't arrest her. They just arrest you? So when you watch the video, they asked her to go to the hospital if she wanted to go because of that.

27 times they asked her. She said no. That didn't raise a red flag until the civil case. Federal civil case. Wait, why federal? Because I lived in Florida. The club corporation. in Las Vegas, Nevada, and she lives in Ohio.

So for it to be fair game, it became a federal case. 27 times she denied wanting to go to the hospital. They're like, well, then we can't arrest her. Then she went to the hospital, left against medical advice. She gave a Jane Doe ID. Oh, so they didn't even actually have her name? Did they find her name during the trial and stuff? Well, she has six different identities.

But there had to be a witness, right, a victim? Well, when, so going to the, just jumping over to the federal case for a minute, when she filed, she filed as a Jane Doe. This is a year and a half later she files. So we already knew her name because they pulled, you know, the contract, they show everything like what her name was at the time. And I'm not going to say it. So she, you know, I'm actually writing a book on this because it's a nightmare. So when the civil case did a, when we were doing background checks, you could hire a private investigator. And, you know, it's when you look her up for this case, it was, it was fair game at this point.

Six different identities, six. She's never filed text. She never went to school, which contradicts her story on trial. But I'm like, I'm in shock. I'm, this is where I told you, I started drinking. This is where I'm starting to drink more. I got stressed between work, you know, and I, you know, can't see my kid because of COVID. Then I get served with papers for the civil case, and I'm working on that.

And I was like, are you kidding me? We don't even know who she really is. And, like, her, she has three different addresses. And I'm like, this is insane. I'm like, this is a nightmare. We don't even know who this girl really is. So. So you get arrested that night.

What happens after you get arrested? I don't really remember much except trying to procrastinate by going behind bars where, like, I just, I drop. I'm crying. And the officer that's carrying me, he goes, girl, you got to help me. I can't carry you. He goes, come on, you need to help me. It took me to the hospital. They took you the hospital?

Yeah. Why? Because you were sick? I don't remember. Like, I don't remember why. They drew my blood. I was like, well, at least I have a hospital bed. Something worked in my head where I'm like, well, at least I have a hospital bed before I go to jail.

I go, it's game over. Who was your first phone call to? So I had my dad's number memorized, but he didn't answer because he didn't know the number. So they didn't let me crap any numbers when I went to county. So a girl in county, or this is the city side at this point, she had someone, she was looking up someone on Facebook on the other end. So someone on the outside looking. I said, hey, can you look up this person, guaranteed to answer? So she does. Because I have no numbers besides my dad. My dad's not answering. So before she leaves, she goes, I got to give this to her. This is the number she was looking for. that she was like my saving grace there so I got a hold of him he called my dad letting him know then my dad started answering and then we connected with a friend of mine to get them and then they bailed me out and how long after did this all happen like when did you get bail the next day

or the same day oh no because it was the weekend oh you were there all weekend it was till Tuesday because I forget, like, courts weren't open on a Monday for some reason. Mother's Day, I think. I don't remember. But, uh... Well, if it was April, maybe Easter? No, no, this was beginning of May. Okay.

So... Cinco to my own now. That wouldn't have been a... No, no. They went to close the first. But, um, it definitely felt like forever. And my, so my friend who did the, you know, the bond for me, he said it took forever. And it ended up, because my...

arraignment, it was a $5,000 bond. It wasn't a flight risk, whatever. So they paid the $500 some dollars to get me out. So I think it was like the next day or later that night. I don't know. There's no windows. I don't know what time of day it is. And that's really, that's really a struggle. Oh, excuse me. And so I get out. I'm glad I had a little bit of a charge on my phone because I had a call, hey, you know, I'm out, blah, blah, blah, because you don't know when you're getting out so you can't coordinate what's going on. I was like, don't embarrass me by showing up in one of your BMWs. Sure enough, he shows up in his BMW I-8. And I was like, girl, I want to ride. I'm like, no, let's pack this stuff up and let's go. He goes, you didn't

tell me. I was like, yeah, I did. Don't bring one of your cars. Like, but I was just glad to get out of there. What do you end up being charged with that arraignment? Phelonious assault. Just one charge, one single charge? Yeah. And what was like kind of your mental, what was going through your head during that arraignment and even just spend that weekend in jail? What did you think of the whole situation?

Did you feel bad or did you think it was, you know, kind of blown out of proportion? I didn't know. I didn't know how to feel except I got, you know, my hopes up that, okay, by time I get this out and that I got a bond, that's all I looked forward to. But I see other people in there, like, there's one guy wearing red was in there for murder. And you heard it when he got a whole list of charges. He's not shackled up.

He only has handcuffs in the front. But a guy with a DUI, 6'7, shackled up for just a DUI. And I was like, but the guy that committed murder only has handcuffs in the front, not shackled up. What about you? Did they have you shackled up? No, I wasn't even in handcuffs. So I'm like, okay.

Were there a lot of other women in the holding center that weekend? If you mean a lot, like more than like 10, yeah. Were you getting to know them or are you kind of keeping yourself? Well, I was going through withdrawal. So I barely came out unless it was to make a phone call. So I woke up screaming one night because I just felt this pressure. So the CEO, like this is like the only CEO that gave a shit. So they took me to medical.

The doctor did give me benzos back in 2019. They didn't when I went back when I went to county after my conviction or my verdict. And they gave me medication, you know, benzos. They're like, this is the only time we'll be able to because you are prescribed that. So I was sitting down there for a while in pain while they went through my medical records. And I don't remember too much of it. I just know he had permission to give those to me because I was prescribed that. And I get back, pass out.

Not even an hour later, the detective comes and interviews me. And I'm like, this is insane. It is like 3 o'clock in the morning. When the CEO comes and gets me out, I'm like, what time is it? And he said 3 something. I'm like, this is insane. So the detective decides to interview me in the middle of the night while I'm medicated. and I was like, you can't use anything.

My mouth just, I was like, you can't, you know, hold this against me. I was like, I don't know, remember exactly what I was saying, but I saw the video and it was embarrassing. You could tell I was high. And so I get up and I was like, I'm done with this interview. He goes, you better sit down. I'm not done with you. I was like, I'm done with you. And I was like, I'm ready to go back to my cell.

I remember that, seeing that video. Oh, they had this all on tape. This all came up. Wow. Oh, yeah. I was like, you can't interview someone under the influence like that, a detective from my understanding. So now, did the article about you get released right after you got out, or would that come later on? It happened, like, shortly after I got out.

What did you think when you're looking at that article, looking at your mugshot, or people talking about it in your like dad circle? So it didn't come out until this is where I thought there was something weird about this. this guy reached out to me on Facebook before the article came out, talking about this girl that I got in a fight with. She's trying to extort me for $20,000 going through him to extort me for $20,000. She'd drop the charges. I was like, the state took it. There's no way, you know, whatever. So she was trying to extort me for $20,000 before the article was released.

They did that. I don't want to say her particularly. That article came out right after she tried to extort me for $20,000. thousand dollars you think like they reported with what happened and then they looked at every because not every uh arrest makes the news oh yeah this it was embarrassing like i was sick to my stomach when i saw that it like i didn't know what to say did your job find out about it right away no i mean this is florida this is ohio news they didn't know anything well sometimes things like this go viral you know especially during that time period yeah didn't make it down to florida

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Are you guys trying to figure out a game plan? Yeah, we get an attorney. And he's supposed to be really good. No, he's not. dragged the case out for a while. I ended up getting him suspended. So I didn't know I had a plea deal. He turned it down for me saying we're taking it to trial.

I would have taken the deal. Like I thought, you know, looking at all aspects of it, I'm not going to get out without a felony. That's what I was told. So I would have taken it. He goes, this video shows you, you know, she came at you, blah, blah, blah. So this is everything we have together to go to. trial. But because of COVID, it kept getting pushed aside. And it was frustrating. So frustrating.

So found out that he forged my signature, forged what I said about the plea deal, that I turned it down and I didn't. Because that came out during my verdict. Well, you should have taken the plea deal. What do you mean? Then I saw my dad and I went through it and he sent me the document. during lockup that apparently I agreed and I never knew about it. What was the plea deal for after finding out? It was like an F4 or an F5 for assault? Jail time or no? Even with this, if I didn't take it to trial, it would have been like three years probation or something.

Yeah, because jail time seems a little bit extreme for this. So can't you get the verdict tossed out now on appeal? It's an appeal. Oh, it is an appeal. Yeah, I just got a follow up. Oh, so you got a pretty good chance of maybe turning it around for it. effective counsel. Yeah, yeah, because when I got this attorney off my case, I had 48 hours to prepare for trial with a new

attorney that the judge assigned. Oh, so this came out, the plea deal thing came out that when you kicked them off right before trial started? So the plea deal came with the first attorney. Okay. But, you know, I didn't know about it. The second attorney that was assigned to me didn't bring it up either. I don't know.

Like, he was kind of thrown on the case, so he didn't know. And as one of my friends who works in the courts, he goes, you got a dinosaur attorney. Like, this guy's so old. And I was like, yeah, yeah, you're right. So we had like 48 hours to prepare for trial. He gives me the stack of paperwork that's for console only. And I saw her obsession of her stalking my Facebook page, my Instagram, my TikTok, everything. And I was made me more sick to my stomach knowing she invested that much time into me.

And I'm like, I was like, this is insane. So we didn't like, the civil case was already closed at this point. So it shows she lost. Like, it was it 2021? Like, they closed that up real quick. She didn't get any money. She tried to sue us for like half a million. Didn't get anything.

Like she had no valid proof, nothing. That should have been brought. up in court that she didn't have a case. She lost. That wasn't brought up. Nothing. Oh, so even with your conviction, she still lost a civil case because normally when they get a criminal conviction, it kind of carries over. But the conviction didn't happen until after. Ah, so she kind of jumped the gun for all the lawsuits and everything. Yeah, filing as a Jane Doe. Yeah, she should have just kind of waited it out. So how much time passed between your arrest and the actual trial? Three and a half years. Wow. And they still gave you jail type after all.

this. So you're living in Florida these three and a half years? Yeah. So from the time of the arrest, yeah, over three years before I came back up for trial. And you're just doing court appearances over Zoom? No, I had to come up. Every single time over those three years? But I thought COVID's going on. Why didn't? They didn't care. I even asked to do Zoom. My attorney, before I wanted to dismiss him before I found out what he did, he came to file a motion for continuance to just shove it a little more, you know, a little more each time. And he wasn't prepared for this. And the judge even said, I hope when you come to trial, you're better prepared than you are now to him. I was like, I'm screwed. I simply said, I'm screwed. I need to figure out what's going on and either, you know,

speed up this process, put a fire under his ass, or get a new attorney, and just keep delaying this. I didn't feel like I was going to win at all. So trial happens is the defense that it's self-defense? Is that what you guys are looking at? Yeah. That's your guy's argument. Yeah. How long does this trial go for it?

And is there a jury or is it a judge trial? There's a jury with only one guy on the jury. Only one man on the jury. Why do you think more men would have helped you? I have no idea. I have no idea. I just didn't care at this point because, you know, having a new attorney and nothing to prepare for, I was like, I'm screwed. I knew.

So trying to calm my anxiety, I was taking more than I should for, you know, benzos to calm my nerves. And that didn't help me when I went to the stand. I'm just like, I didn't care. You testified while you were high? Yes, I did. I just, I was so miserable at that point. just everything. Just felt like my life was on Stanhold.

But I'll tell you what, when I went to prison and then got out, felt like, well, when I was locked up, I actually felt safer behind bars, so no one was bothering me on, you know, the outside because this girl was still harassing me, sending people to me to harass me. I got threats from people that she's connected with. So you better plead guilty.

You better plead guilty. You know you're guilty. I'm like, what are you going to do virtually? you're just, you know, you're threatening me. You're just an internet bully. I wouldn't respond, but it's people she was connected with. You guys didn't bring this up a trial? Yeah, tried to.

It was dismissed. Like, it was pushed to the side. So how long did the trial last? Like, not even a whole day. Wait, the whole trial was not even a whole day? Yeah. The jury comes back with a verdict right away. Yes.

So, like, with the way, like, with the way... You got hosed. I did. But with the way, like, it went, you can tell that. it wasn't going to take long to say guilty. So I walked my happy butt across the street to this taco place, had a drink too, and came back. I was like, I know I'm going. I was like, I might as well go while I'm drunk. And you knew that there was no bail after you were convicted. Yeah, they literally took me to county as soon as it was, you know, they said guilty. Wow. And then how long was

sentencing after that? I had to wait like three, four weeks, three weeks before sentencing. Okay. I got sentencing. twice. What do you mean twice? So mind you, I'm in withdrawal at this point. Like the medication, like, they like took me off everything. I was on a lot because of other medical issues that I needed surgery before this and the judge kept saying no. I had to go to a neurologist for something that I have. I needed taken care of because I could lose my vision because of it. He said no. So there's a lot of pain management for this. So I was withdrawing and they were minimizing, you know, other ones because they wouldn't allow certain medications, you know, in the jails. They gave you the bare minimum.

So I went to county. I didn't have my medication yet either. So they took me or they took me to the courts and I'm sitting in the bullpen and I'm hungry. I didn't get to eat nothing. They didn't bring food and I get taken up all the way to like the 17th floor and um they bring me in and he's going over stuff and he's telling me this that and the other and I'm like I'm like okay whatever like that wasn't really like paying attention and he he says something he goes well do you have anything to say and I'm like what he goes aren't you going to apologize I'm like no I was like I have nothing to apologize for at that time. He goes, well, something. He said something else. And I said this was unfair, blah, blah, blah. He goes, I don't want to hear it. You shouldn't have moved to Florida.

Something brought up to where you shouldn't have moved to Florida before this. I'm like, well, if you would have read the docket and, you know, looked into this before you came to court, if you were prepared, we wouldn't be in the situation right now. So we went off. The next day they bring me back because I got four years at that point. He brought me back the next day to add two years to that. So he gives you four years in prison. Four to six years. I got the tail end of it too. Four to six years. Yeah. Because of my mouth. It was because of my mouth. How much time do you think you would have gotten if you didn't, if that spat didn't happen? You think you would have just got probation even afterwards? I don't know. I honestly don't know. Sometimes it doesn't pay to be sassy.

I know. Like I was at that. I don't care anymore. I just felt defeated and that's what they want you to feel like. How did your job find out? Did you ever, like, did so... I told them. At during trial or... Yeah, I told them. They're like, let us know.

You didn't like, call them from prison and say, hey. Oh, no, I told them before. I talked to them before and I was like, you go to trial and they're like, oh my gosh, like, you know, let us know. And, they were, they were very supportive about it. And they knew, like, after I told them, they're like, they're like, we're going to, it's sad to see you go. You know, I just, it's... It was, uh, you know, it was a, you know, it was a, you know, it was a, you know, wasn't fired, but, you know, it was a mutual agreement.

It's just so crazy that your whole life can be upended over one incident, like one like little split second decision. Everything changes forever. Yeah, it does. So now you get sent to county jail. Tell us, you know, your whole jail experience. Oh, my gosh. So after getting medically cleared, after being I called the county morgue,

because if nothing, it was so cool. cold in there. And you have single cells, you know, things like that. I get to the trustee pod. Lo and behold, I'm apparently 60 days in. I'm like, what's that? I hadn't seen the TV show yet. And they're like, you're a confidential informant. You're a plant. I'm like, what do you mean? Even the CEOs are saying this. And like, they'd pull me, you know, to do the fingerprints, the how do we get blood drawn, things like that. They're like, oh, yeah, you're 60 days in. I know, I know. And you're like, you know we know, like, things like that. I'm like, what do you mean? They're like, don't play stupid. So, like, I'm getting hounded, hounded that I'm 60 days in.

I was like, what makes you think I'm 60 days in? You're white. You got all your teeth. And so there's no way you can prove. that you're not. I was like, if I was, I would have left already. But it's because I got pulled out for sentencing twice. So they thought I was going back for an interview. So I had watched an episode. They're like, 60, 60, you got to watch this. This is what they called me. 60 days in, you got to watch this. And I'm like, so. So did they ever figure out that you weren't on 60 days in? Oh, no. They still think I am. There's some of them that friend requested me on Facebook. They're like, So when's it going to air?

That's funny. So I finally watched an episode, and this one tall, big guy was going. You can tell he was white, but he had a nice tan. Like, it looked good on him. Like, he looked like he did not belong behind bars. He was not going to blend in. And they're like, yeah, they might figure you out real quick. And they're like, why is that?

You're white with all your teeth. I'm like, there we go. So I get it. Were they still being nice to you? Did anyone, like, mistreat you during that time period? You were in county? So they were giving me a hard time. They were bullying me.

I was keeping my cool. And then this girl stood up for me. She, like, went off on them. Like, don't be jealous, you know, leave her alone. Like, she was going off. They all shut up. They all shut up. They're like, do not mess with her.

Blah, blah, blah. Well, they still were to a point. But when I got sentenced again, I came back and I punched the brick wall by the phones and I shattered my left knuckle. And everyone shut up at that point because they're asking how your sentencing went and things like that. They're like, oh, she ain't kidding. But rewind before that, they looked up my case on LexisNexis, saw the civil case. This is where I realize some of them are really dumb because they thought,

They're like, your case closed in 2021. And I look, I was like, that is a civil case. They didn't get what civil and criminal met. And I'm like, how do you not know when you're a repeat offender and you're bragging in the trustee pod? You're a repeat offender. So then when they saw me punch the wall and saw that, you know, I had blood coming from my hand. They took me down, you know, to get it fixed up. They just wrapped it up, things like that.

And then the CO's like, it's not someone you want to mess with because they're unhinged. And I'm like, I'm like, how dare you say that? Like, you know, I get it now why she said it. She kept picking on me saying it was 60 days in. So she'd fall asleep at the desk. And it's all on camera. They're not doing anything about it. Well, there's this girl that's having frequent seizures.

She fell, busted her head. Next day she fell and bust her head. And the CO was sleeping. I kicked the chair out from when I read the CO. I was like 60 days in my ass, that's what I said. And they're like, oh shit. They're like 60 has some, you know, gut center. And I'm like, I'm going to start calling you 60.

No. I'm changing your contact in my phone to 60. Yep, it's getting changed. Wait, so in your mind, like when you're watching all these people, because there's a lot of characters, you know, a lot of characters. And coming from your, like, you know, psychology background, are you kind of like diagnosing each individual in your head in a way? I just generalized it.

I'm not, you know, professional to do that. I'm like, you know, you're just addict, addict. There's nothing I can do, but try and not let it bother you. Because when you react, they're going to react. They're getting a rise out of you. Prisons where really, who, the amount of bluffing I did in prison. It, like, me being able to read body language. and being able to keep my cool, but underneath I'm sweating bullets for some of the things I've said and done to get people to, like, not bother me or tempt me.

Where they, like, a couple of them, because they'll look you up. You mean, you know, they look you up on the outs. And they found out as a felonious assault, some people want to challenge you. And, oh, there's a couple times I've been challenged. Yeah, tell us that first time you got challenged, tried, and prison. So I'm in general pop after admissions. And so I'm sitting next to a girl that was in county with me for killing a police officer. Casually.

Yeah. And we both had the same judge. I'm like, oh, great. So she's telling me about her story and everything. So we're just sitting there. And she's like, ooh, you're cute and all this other stuff. I'm like, oh, no. She's 19.

I'm in my, you know, 30s. And I'm like, oh, no. No, you're closer to my kid's age. So I sit in there talking to her, and this girl comes up. She has this big gap between her teeth. And the reason I say this is because my smart-ass comment after this, she goes, why are you hitting on my girl? Like, things like that.

I'm like, and then the girl, like the girl that she's talking about, she's like, what the? Like, I'm not your girl. And she goes, ooh, she goes, what are you going to do about your little white girl? Like, you know, try. And she goes, just trying to egg me on, she goes, I wonder if I beat your ass, you know, things like that. I was like, honey, you can't hurt a masochist. I said that.

She's like, oh, shit. And she goes, you're psycho. And I'm like, I'm profusely sweating at this point. I have a white t-shirt on, even though you're not allowed wearing those yet. You have to be in your States. Like, I got sweat all over because I'm bluffing. I was like, you can't hurt a masochist. And she said something.

I was like, don't let me forget to make that gap bigger between your teeth. She walked away and everyone's like, oh shit. A little white girl means business. Did you ever get into any fights? No. You never had to fight? No, but I stopped my bunk. After I filed my judicial, I stopped my bunkie for coming out of the room after all the crap she put me through.

Why? What would she do? So she wanted to, she wasn't bullying me around. Like, people were like, oh my gosh. I'm going to call her pee-wee. That's going to be her nickname. pee we she tried to bully me

she has 12 years for the amount of drugs she had on her it was a drug case and I mean they pulled over $250 some thousand dollars out of her house

and in drugs like long story short so she thought she could run our cell I got moved to max security because of my

being a violent offender technically where I was was max security so I'm in this it's a two person and sell. And she was, you know, trying to bully me around. And I'm just like, hmm, she was just getting on my nerves. And my smart ass mouth was, I was very humble at this point because

there's people that could kick my ass where I'm like, oh, I'm not going to do anything. I'm trying not to you. I want to get out of here. So it's like, her moods were like all over the place. And I was like, you know, it's getting crowded in here. You and your 14 personalities. And she's running her. mouth. And she's on the phone with her boyfriend. She goes, do you know that apparently I have 14 personalities? And he goes, well, I know seven of them. Fuck you. Like two of them. And I was like, see, someone else agrees with me that you have multiple personalities. So she wanted to switch bunkies. And I'm like, I would love to, but like, whatever. You know, I'm not, I'm not trying to

press for this. So she goes to the sergeant and tells him I'm racist. Mind you, this girl is is white as well. It says I'm racist. And so he pulls me down to the office and he's like, he's like, so, uh, you have something against us? You mean a CEO? Or like, you know, in general, he goes, you know, my color. And I was like, no, my fiance is black. I didn't know what to say because he's trying to think going off what my bunkies said. He goes, she's saying I'm racist. I was like, no, my fiance is black. Ooh, they lying on you then. They lying on you. And I'm like, another bluff moment. I'm not racist, but how do you say that?

No, I'm not racist. I'm not, but I was like, no, my fiance is black. So I told my best friend, I was like, hey, I'm using your husband, a picture of your husband say he's my husband. They're like, all right, we got your back. Now, how are the guards trading you? They didn't really bother. There was one, but he was never in our unit.

it. But when I first got to a Mac security, this like heavy-set guy. Like, we're getting ready to get interviewed by the white shirts, the sergeants, things like that to make sure we're not gang-affiliated. They want to know what tattoos we have, all that. So I come out of myself, and he's already looked me up at this point. And he's already labeled me 60 days in. And I'm like, not again. I've gone through part of my sentence without, and once I got to prison without being called 60 days in. So, tubby little white guys calling me 60 days in. I'm like, oh, we're not doing this again. I'm like shaking. I was like, no, this can't happen again. This can't. So he knew I was, he, he did a thorough search of me, which I kind of figured COs do that, but he saw that I was a, you know, second-degree

black belt. My profile's not public to where you could easily see you. You know, easily see. something like that. And I don't have a profile picture of me with my belt on. So he found out. And so he would, hey, 60. Hey. And I'm like, oh, no. No, we're not doing this. But he, he was cool. I mean, after a while, he didn't bother me. Anytime he was on our unit, he goes, hey, 60. And I'm like, this episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever find yourself playing the budgeting game? Well, with the name your price tool from Progressive, you can find options that fit your budget and potentially lower your bills. Try it at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Price and

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Yes. What was going through your mind when you got that sentence and then made it to the prisoner, you're like, wow, I have to spend four to six. years here. Obviously, you got out sooner, but when you first heard of that, that sentence, what's your mindset? I was like, my life is over. That's exactly what I thought. I was like, my life is over. I go, I'm not going to say goodbye to my, you know, my kid, my dogs, my dad, my friends. I was like, it's over. Did your dad come visit you? He couldn't. He was in Florida,

because I had just moved him down there with me after he got divorced. I was like, you can come live with me, moved him all the way across the country to come back because they said you're only going to get probation. That's what they said. They didn't say anything else. So I expected just to get probation. Until you pissed the judge off. Yes.

Yeah, I'm not proud of it now. If I would have thought about, you know, that I wouldn't have done it, but I wasn't thinking. So how long were you in this maximum security prison for? So I spent a total of eight months in prison. Well, four weeks in county, seven months in prison. Why so short of a time when you got a four to six year sentence? Judicial. If I, you know, I could file for early release within six months or six months after I've served my time.

Really? Mm-hmm. And so you got released that it's not like pending appeal or anything like that. It's just you get out early. Yeah, so you go in front of the judge and not parole. So. And he was okay with letting you out? Yeah.

So what was the purpose of giving you the four to six years sentence anyways? Exactly. Now I was very apologetic then. Do you think you made a change, like, in yourself and your behavior? Yeah. Where I, um, so, um, I was always, like, concerned myself one of the guys. Like, my mentality, my work ethic, uh, my hobbies would be, like, not normal for a girl. So when I was spending time behind bars, watching football, when we had this, you know, TV on, And I would tell my, I'm like, shh, shh, until commercial. And they're like, she's such a guy.

Like, something about not considering their feelings, things like that. I'm like, oh, my gosh, I didn't realize, you know, I was a little more self-centered than I thought, you know, being sober and having to mingle with people and listen to their stories. I was like, I became more open-minded. And I realized a lot of people didn't have a, I don't want to say a fair trial, but they weren't educated to understand things. A lot of them didn't finish high school. Like, there was a waiting list for GED. There's a lot of people in there for, you know, killing kids, their husbands. And there's some that, oh, yeah, the one that covered up, her son was murdered by her boyfriend, and she took the heat.

And there's how people lose everything. like their home, their family, their support system. And when they get out, they go home to nothing if they don't have that. I was fortunate enough to have that when I got out. But like one of the girls I became close to, she still has like three years or something like that. She's a repeat offender. But she helped me a lot to understand. And I had a whole other nickname in prison.

So it goes from 60 to something else, which I'll get to that in a minute. And she lost her trailer, her family, her support system, because she admitted. She used them, took their money, things like that. So there's a lot of them that said when they were under the influence, they didn't care. They were just getting their next fix. And them being sober behind bars, you know, they say that behind bars that they're going to, you know, have it together. but they admit what they've done. But it's what you're going to do moving forward.

You can admit it all you want, but actions speak louder than words. But you made the first step admitting what you did. What are you going to do? I said I wasn't going to drink because that was part of my probation violation, you know, that would put me on house arrest or, you know, send me back to finish my sentence. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. First thing I did when I got out, I started drinking.

and I tested positive for alcohol when I went to my first probation meeting. How did they test you for that? Urine analysis. Okay. And did you get violated or? They gave me a warning because this was my first time. Next time wouldn't. Wow.

So I got lucky my first time. Wait, so do women, I said you said you were watching sports, but is that a big in women's prison? Do they watch sports like the kind of the men do? And do they sports gamble too? Yeah, they do. So this is when Kansas City and the Eagles They went to the Super Bowl the first time

I got to watch that Yeah I was sitting I was sitting behind bars watching this game So they actually allowed us Because some of us were on good behavior Where we could have a trivia You know to do football stats And things like that

We were able to As long as we were supervised We were able to play a trivia game about football and when my nickname was boobles behind there. Boobles? Boobles. Why boobles? Because of my chest.

Yeah. Boobles. Yeah. So they're like, hey, boobles, like they didn't realize how smart I was. Like, and, you know, I liked football. And so I started naming things off. They're like, oh, she needs to be a part of this. She needs to be a part of this.

You know, she's going to do this trivia stuff with us. Sure enough, I was part of that whole group that did all the, you know, sporting stuff. But it was, you know, we played trivia. We talked a lot. I learned to play spades. So we would talk football. You play spades? Yes.

Oh, my God. I hated that game. I love spades. I'm over that. You still know how to play? I don't know. I haven't had a chance to play, nor did I really care to play after I got out. That's so funny.

You're up on all the prison lingo. Yeah. I feel like I got to marry someone that went to prison just so, like, they can relate to all of that, that they know all about the prison. stuff. But I don't want someone that's like, I guess not really ambitious that went to prison, like someone that's like still on drugs or something. I don't know. But it would be funny. Like, or you know what 6-5 is, right? No, what's 6-5? 6-5 is be on the lookout. That's what, we called it Bihondo. Bihondo? Yeah, like the Spanish guys would yell

Bihando when a cop was coming. So we called it 6-5. So I'd watch people watching out for others. and like you can't like when you see like typical behavior you have like one CEO per like 100 girls but like you know how like being around them all the time especially when it's your unit as a CEO like you know when certain ones are out of character

and you're not supposed to close your cell door and or put the curtain up even though you're not supposed to like I watched some of the people that were 6'5 and like they're looking like this I'm like yeah that's not suspicious or anything they're like hey can you six five for me can you six five that's what they would say and now most of the time is that just i'm like hooking up with it someone oh yeah that's all it is

right now what what would you say it's like the number one tv show women like to watch in prison if you had to narrow it down to like one show what's the most popular one true crime because we had tablets a lot of them would look each other off because uh on court TV and things like that and true crime there's a couple people that we were locked up with that are on those, like FBI files. 48 hours or first 48? Yes, and court TV. And then there was like big ones that it's crazy.

Or the monsters inside me were like the bacteria or bugs that are in people's bodies. That was another one. And then sports. Surprisingly, a lot of people watch sports. Yeah, so that is reoccurring against men and women's at people, people incarcerated like to watch other crime shows. Like they would be watching Love After Lockup or or just any type of prison show.

And it's like you're literally in prison. Why are you watching this? Well, my thing, like my bunkey before we had a, you know, falling out. Well, one of the last bunkies I had because they moved me around. I was like, I liked the one monkey I had. Like her and I were cool. Like she had my back. And she like, oh, people loved her and she would hustle them.

hey Bunky you want you know snacks I'm like yeah sure she goes I got you I'll be back and to bring me snacks like getting him from like another Inmate that had a crush on her or like you know wanted her something and I was like I loved having her because I didn't have to get anything from commissary because she just bring it to me she goes I got you So um oh what was it so uh between tv like we had our tablets I watched um was it was it Something about shooting where, like, marksman, like about marksmen and how good people are, like, you know, obstacles. And I also watched catfishing, like, or like, I don't know what it was called, but it's about catching these big catfish with your bare hands. And then a big shrimping. Like, I watched all these things about hunting, fishing, you know, things that I enjoyed doing when I lived down south. And my buggy's like, you're going to be ready to go hunting, shooting, fishing.

When you get out of here, you redneck. I was like, I didn't think of it that way. But it's, you know, between documentaries and that, I don't want to watch brain rotting stuff. I'm already sitting in here. What else am I supposed to do? Did you have a job? I worked in the kitchen. Oh, you were?

I worked in the kitchen, too. I hated it. I hated it. What did you do? Like, were you like a cook or a baker? Oh, no, I got to wash dishes. Oh, that's all you did? Yeah.

Did you smuggle out stuff at all? No, I did it. They search you before you leave. You get the pat down everything. You can't sneak anything out. You have to snap your bra to make sure nothing's in there. And some of the girls that had bigger rolls and everything, they would tuck it under like the side boob,

and they'd get away with it. And I was like, it's nice to have those extra rules, huh? How are the bras in prison? Oh, they're like sports bras. Like, they're nothing. Like, if you don't have the hygiene box, it's just your basic sports bra. Okay.

Very uncomfortable. And tampons are they like of a better grade or not at all. Not at all. So they just give you like, what are? No, they were like dynamite stick. Like they were huge. Like I was like, mm-mm. So what can you buy different brands?

No. So you can only use those? Yes. Oh, that shit. Yeah, you can buy underwear. You can buy underwear on commissary. But you can't buy different tampons. They should have different tampons like in the men's prison, like with different razors.

You could get a nicer razor. They should have that. You had two different brands of razors you could get. Yeah, we had that too. And then the state issued one. And toilet paper, you get a nicer brand one on commissary. Yeah, and wash claws and things like that. But they won't do Tampa.

Wow. We got ice cream on commissary. Yeah, we had ice cream too. We had Ben and Jerry's. Yes. Yeah, every commissary. You can order one Ben and Jerry's. I had commissary on my birthday.

So I got ice cream like eight o'clock in the morning, sitting in anger management, eating ice cream. Yeah, because if you do the morning one, it sucks. The morning commasers. Sarah Day. If you do a night when you got that in the afternoon. So I had a, you know, I was sitting through anger management eating ice cream and one of my friends that was in anger management with me. I was like, you want some? I was on a sugar high. I had that much sugar on so long. I passed out. Most of my birthday, I was going to go outside

and play kickball, all this other stuff. I slept through all that. How do women work out in prison? They actually had the biggest loser. They had this fitness program, the biggest loser. So they had equipment, they would bring out, like, medicine balls, things like that. So you can only use them, besides using the track. They had equipment in the gym that you could use when you had free time, but they had, you know, the instructors, other inmates that would coordinate these workouts for the biggest loser and whoever lost the most weight won a prize, who showed most improvements, who showed up the most, what team? There were teams. So,

which team lost the most weight, things like that. I didn't need to lose weight. I just wanted to get out of the unit. So I was, well, I didn't know that I needed to lose weight. But so I did the workouts. And it was either cold or very hot. There was no in between. Now, were you surprised you got out as early as you did?

I was relieved. I was like, why couldn't have been sooner? It wasn't like when they called me. So I had just finished an evaluation to drop down to a level one from a level two. And I would have gone to minimal security prison, go from max straight to minimal security, where I could leave and go to work, things like that. So the day before, when I got that evaluation, I was waiting to find out if I got approval so I could leave.

Then I get called to receiving. So I was like, so am I going to another prison? No, I was going to court for my judicial. I was like, either way, I'm going to the same city. So I, oh, spend 10 days in county. And I was like, the drive to Cleveland from Dayton, the way they drove. And then they stopped and got like Popeye's chicken. And we had to smell that.

That's what they do in the feds too. I'm like, this is insane. I was like, I felt my life flashed before my eyes with the way they were driving. And there was the lady that had me was like, like a linebacker. She was huge, but she was actually really nice. But like we stopped for gas and I was like,

who I'm glad I'm sitting back here. She goes, you don't have to sit up here with him. Like, his driving was just reckless. I was like, I'm never going to commit a crime after this because his driving was reckless.

And then the food, like I'm starving in the back. And you guys are eating. And then we had to get to a rest stop. It's three hours into the drive. and normally they won't let you, but they let us because the guy in the back that came from another prison, we're both going to county. So they let us, we're at a rest stop. We're in purple pants, shackled, ankles, waist, wrist.

And being escorted to the bathroom, people are looking at us. And I was like, I'm really not going to commit a crime after this. This is embarrassing. So then made it to county and had to wait 10 days before I could leave. I was like, send me back to prison if I'm going to have to wait. I go, it is way better than county jail. So when I got back to county, they're like 60s back. I was like, not again, not again.

So now you get out what's that first day like of freedom? What did you eat? What did you do? I had ice cream for dinner. I did. It was awesome. So my friend who I was staying with him when I came up for trial. We've been friends since, got almost like about 15 years now.

So, you know, I called him to come pick me up and everything. And it was like, I was in tears. I just like, I jumped at his arms. Like, I'm like, thank you so much for picking me up. I was like, I probably smell, but let's go. So we get on the highway. That's actually how my book starts, you know, my exit out of county and seeing him and him handing me his phone to call my dad.

And I'm like, I'm so-and-so. am a convicted felon. That's how the first chapter goes. And so he goes, what do you want to eat? It's the time I got the day before is when they approved me to leave. Nothing's happening that day. I was like, why haven't I left yet? Why haven't I left? Come on, let's go. So I forgot my friend works for probation. So I called my friend who I stayed with that picked me up. I said, go on my phone, find this number, call him, tell him to rush my paperwork. And he did. So the next day, they said I was leaving. I didn't leave for another eight hours. It's like nine o'clock at night by the time I got out. And then the ice cream placed near his house was open until 10. It's about an hour

drive. So we went and got ice cream. He goes, you sure you don't want anything else? I'm like large ice cream. I was like, that's all I want. And so made it back to his house. I jumped in the shower. I passed down on the couch. It was a relief. But hearing a loud TV made me jump with all the echoing and everything that I had to deal with and all the screaming. Like hearing the TV when it got loud, like I'm reacting because of that. I didn't realize how much of an effect it would have on me after I got out.

Now, what were your plans for work for everything? Did you plan to go back to your old job? Or what did you want to do? I still had a job in Florida. So I had a second job while I worked for department children and families. I got to work at a university in the events department. So I had texted them, my boss, when I got out, like, hey, they knew what was going on. I was like, do I still have a job?

They're like, yeah, you're still here. So I had a guaranteed job when I returned. Even though it was part-time, I still had a job. So that was, I was like, whew, at least I had something. And I ended up working for a security company after I got out of prison. In Ohio or Florida? Yeah, in Ohio. Did you decide not to go back to Florida?

No, I had to get a job while I was, you know, in Ohio. You had to be a productive member of society. So what were you doing for the security company? Unarmed security. Like a mall cop type of security or like where? No. So there was a couple. I did events where you checked bags and everything like for those beer fest.

There was a bunch of events. events, concerts, the Jason L. Dean concert. There was a couple concerts. Another university football game. This factory job, like this IT company, where you had to scam people coming in and out because they weren't allowed bringing their phones or other things in the back. So, you know, I got to, you know, rotate of what I was doing. Working nights, checking buildings, their security systems, things like that. So there's a. There was some interesting modes. It wasn't all boring.

So we got to go into a school that were getting ready to tear down for squatters and things like that. Well, we chased a couple squatters out. My partner that was with me, who carries big guy. So I'm the one running after them so I could get their information,

things like that, and get the police to come. So, yeah, he was all the way behind. And if it wasn't, you know, for me, we wouldn't have been able to identify these people. How long did you end up doing this for? Um, so from July, so literally a couple days, weeks after I got out. So from July until November, when I turned in my notice, when I got the approval to go back to Florida.

Okay. They were sad to see me go. So you moved back to Florida. Yes. I thought I would be excited to go back, but I wasn't. But you're not in Florida now, right? Nope, I'm up here from, well, in Ohio for good. So you must only last in Florida than a few months going by this timeline. Yeah, so before Thanksgiving. Of last year? Of. Or 2023? 2020, through like September of 2024.

You moved to Ohio. What were you doing out there? Did you go back for the college? No, I was still doing a, I was still working at events at the university. And I still had my cleaning company, so I brought it down there. I had it in my dad's name. So I was a vendor through apartment complexes and things like that. So I still had that.

But when it's so hot out, it makes it miserable to work, especially when they don't have the air on in these apartments. And you can tell how people live. Like, it's absolutely disgusting because they don't care. It's not their home. They're just renting. So I'll never rent an apartment again after seeing that. Really?

That bad? That bad. Like, there was more roaches in a house than there were people. that bad. Jeez. So then you make it back to Ohio. What's life kind of look like for you now? So I still have the cleaning company.

Originally it started up here years ago. In Connecticut? No, in Ohio. Sorry. Sorry. Keep forgetting that. You know, I drove the seven hours here. So I still have it.

I have people that do annual or monthly cleanings. And then I have big jobs that, But actually, I still have a couple in Columbus, like big jobs. I'm talking over $1,000. I'll make that two-hour drive from Akron to Columbus to collect that money. And it's people I know. Like, these are condos, you know, in Columbus that I, you know, I clean for. But I do that like maybe once or twice a year because that's a lot of driving.

So I don't have my SUV anymore. I sold that while I was locked up. That's how I was able to afford commissary and everything. So I was living good. But I reconnected with a lot of people that I used to clean for. I still have some of them. So can't complain. I have new people, too.

Also working in construction, things like that, which I, you know, started last week. I mean, can't complain. Has a felony affected you at all? Greatly. It's hard. You're a violent offender. sorry we can't. That's that's hard. You just, you feel defeated. You know, you're a violent offender. Do you rent an apartment now? A house, actually. Did that? Was there issues getting that?

No. No. I feel like it kind of, the system discriminates who it affects and who it doesn't. Like, I've never been personally affected by it, except for when I rent private, if I were to rent privately, like on Facebook marketplace, then if you say you have a felony because they're not doing the background checks or whatever, um, but on, on the corporate ones, I always get approved. Really? Yeah, it's never been an issue when I mark felony. So with this place, originally it was an Airbnb.

So, like me and my roommate, we were looking for a place. I was like, well, before I make the move, let's find a place. So we were adamant. We were looking in Cleveland, Ohio. And, you know, that's where she's from. And so I was like, well, let's look in Akron. It's cheaper. You get more for your money.

So we rented this Airbnb in Akron. It has a fenced-in backyard, has a garage, a long driveway for all the vehicles we have. Well, she has. And the backyard, I got a dog that's very energetic. So it was perfect. And it's fully furnished. So we asked if we could rent it. So I didn't have to bring half the stuff back.

Yeah, I have friends that do that, too. That's good. And we're both on the lease. We got to prove. She gave us an opportunity. That's awesome. So I was like, wow. I'm like, you know, we've been blessed. So what do you think is like the learning lesson you take away from all of this?

Like do you think you needed to go through this in hindsight looking at this? Like, did it change you for the better? Did it change you for the worse? That's like your summary on it. It definitely changed me for the better. It did. There was a lot of things I took for granted. A lot of things. And I was court ordered to go to AA. and I was so resistant to go. I was like, you know, I have to.

But hearing other people's stories, I was like, wow, I'm not alone with, you know, some of the things I've done because I felt isolated being a felon for what I was, you know, convicted of. Other people have that same journey and they're still working through things. And they know it's a daily, it's a daily thing. One step at a time is what, you know, they say. And they keep doing it. when I hear stories about sobriety, I went to a lead over on Saturday, someone that has 16 years and they kept messing up, messing up. And I forget how old they are now, but 16 years they've been

sober. So it's kind of like an inspiration hearing that, that whether you drink or not, or if you mean that you want to do good, you're going to do it. You're going to find a way. And people do it through sobriety, of course, but you realize you're not alone. And some of those people do inspire you. Yeah, go on. Especially when, what was it, that they have very similar stories. Like they, some have multiple prison numbers, but they haven't stopped and they're successful. So the construction company, a lot of people are in recovery and have a record.

They haven't given up. That has inspired me that I can keep going instead of giving up because I've wanted to. And then you came across the show. Yes. which is all of those stories. It was so funny when I got out and my old TikTok before it got hacked. And it was good. I had funny stuff on there.

And you could see where I was an asshole on some of my content. I was like, but it was funny. And I started a whole new one. And you came up. And I was like, oh, this is funny. Like I just got out. And now I see this stuff. And I'm looking through.

And I was like, okay, you know. I thought you were a lot younger than you were. And I was like, dang, I'm like, oh, he's bad too. Like, you know, but he made something out of this, you know, going from Whole Foods to this. Look how well he's done. I was like, that's, you know, admirable right there and making it to something big. I was like, so when I saw that and I saw the sheet to fill it out, I was like, you know, what's it going to hurt and heard from you like months later?

And I was like, I'm going to go for it. So that's what I did. That's so cool. And for everyone listening, I'm not as young as I look or as short as I look. Everyone's ripping me for that. Yeah, I can, you know, I know I'm short, but he's definitely taller than me. Well, thank you for that. Thanks for proving everyone wrong.

So do you still suffer with addiction issues now, or have you overcame that and are in recovery? What does that look like? So I haven't had a drop of alcohol. On the 25th will be a year. Oh, congratulations. So I haven't had anything to drink. I had, like, what else? So everything, I'm thinking of everything that I've done between smoking weed.

You know, it's, you know, edibles, things like that. I haven't touched it in almost a year. And I was skiing not too long ago. I was all the way out in Denver. I got to the top of the mountain. I've already fallen a ton of times. I'm ready to give up. And they have alcohol.

They have mimosas and everything. And those were my weakness. And I got there, I was like, oh my gosh, I want one so bad. I go, I'm in so much pain from all this falling. I was like, no, no, you can make it down the hill. You can make it down. And I didn't. But I didn't touch any of it.

Like the mimoses were my weakness. Looking at certain liquors, I'm just like, yeah, I did that. I know what I did on that. You know, certain, I got aggressive on certain alcohols. it's but I you know I realize what I you know I did and I know if I do certain things again

it'll all be like all this hard work would be for nothing what do you think is the learning lesson you want others to take away from your story oh you know if you're going to go out drinking

or if you're going to go out do not go out with a like a I'm trying to, how would I say this? With a certain thought process, you know, your ego, like keeping that in check. Like, you know, when some people are like, oh, I look good, I'm going to go out, I got this, I'm going to strut my stuff, no one's going to turn me down. Like, they just have that mindset overconfidence. And then someone reigns on your parade.

It doesn't matter if they're under the influence or not. Your senses are heightened. Take it down a notch. You know, go without expectations. think before you act, and that is very hard because some people like me are quick at the mouth and very witty. So it's like, you know, if you're going to go out and drink, just pick and choose who you're going to be around. If they're going to be, you know, a good time or they're more on the sketchy side, just be careful or just don't go do it. You know, it's, it takes a lot.

Everyone's different. So there's different perspectives. on everyone and what they view. Well, Allie, thanks so much for coming on the show and making the drive to sit with me today. Thank you for having me. Yeah, you did great. And hopefully it was therapeutic to kind of talk about it for the first time. Yeah. And with someone else's, you know, been to prison.

Yeah, see, we don't judge over here, you know. So and brought back some memory seeing the prison cell and all that. So like, she bangs chips, baby. Oh, my gosh, yes. Well, you know, thanks again. Safe Travels back. And if you ever need anything, please let us know. Thank you.