Locked In with Ian Bick - Why Inmates Check Paperwork In Prison | Big Bootsie

Episode Date: June 4, 2024

A former inmate reveals why checking paperwork in prison is absolutely crucial. Gain valuable insights into prison life, understand the importance of documentation, and learn how this often-overlooked detail can make a significant difference in a correctional facility. Whether you're curious about the prison system, preparing for a potential incarceration, or simply interested in true inmate stories, this video provides essential knowledge straight from someone who's been on the inside Hosted, Executive Produced & Edited By Ian Bick: https://www.instagram.com/ian_bick/?hl=en https://ianbick.com/ Connect with Big Bootsie: ​⁠ https://www.instagram.com/therealbigbootsie/ Powered by: Just Media House : https://www.justmediahouse.com/ Creative direction, design, assets, support by FWRD: https://www.fwrd.co Buy Merch: https://lockedinbrand.com Use code lockedin at checkout to get 20% off your order Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Introduction to Big Bootsy and his Extraordinary Life 00:04:23 - Unjust Searches and Unjust Convictions 00:08:41 - Growing Up in Harlem and Making Money 00:12:58 - Meeting Unique and Getting Involved in the Streets 00:17:17 - The Game Back Then and Now 00:21:32 - Changes in Street Behavior 00:25:46 - Life Choices and Career Paths 00:30:20 - Running Parties to Make Money 00:34:43 - Prison Attacks 00:39:11 - The Importance of Self-Protection and Standing Up for Others 00:43:37 - The Lucrative Business of Party Promotion 00:48:05 - Working on the Film in Canada 00:52:50 - Memorable Scene from the Movie 00:57:30 - The Catch and Lockup Stories 01:02:25 - "Apollo" and "17 Days" Movie Recommendations 01:06:58 - Transitioning to Other Ventures and Building Relationships 01:11:20 - Live Set and Project Posters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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That means you're hiding something. And nobody want to be around no snitches and no rats. Welcome back to the Lockton with Ian Bick's podcast. On today's episode, we have the one and only big bootsie here to share his extraordinary life story, including the principles of the street he's learned along the way, the trouble and subsequent jail time he got into as a young adult, and how he was able to turn it all into an acting career. I want to give a big shout out to Unique Mecca Audio for connecting me to Big Bootsie. Unique was a former Kingpin who came onto the show a few months back. Make sure you check out that

episode if you haven't already. Him and Big Bootsie are. are not only friends but grew up in that same time period together. Now, without further ado, sit back, relax, and get ready to lock in with Big Bootsie. Big Bootsie, welcome to locked in, man. Pleasure to have you. Shout out to Unique Mecca Audio for connecting us. You know, when he calls and says he's got a guest, you can't say no to the man. Yes, sir, man.

Thanks for having me, brother. I appreciate it. Yeah, big shout out to my brother, Unique, man. Big shout, shout, man. Yeah, awesome. How do you get the name Big Booty? What does that mean? All right.

Well, Bootsy comes from my grandfather. I was his firstborn grandson. And they say used to carry me and take me everywhere. And he named me Bootsie. It's not a street name. So, you know, when I meet people, I let them know that. It's not a street name. It's a given name for my grandfather.

So as I was growing up, I started doing a lot of things as far as making some money and making doing a lot of parties. So I earned a name big in front of Boots. seat because I'm known to do big things. Okay. So it's not a street name. That's interesting. I'm sure you definitely get that mixed up a lot that people would think that it's a street name. Yes, sir. It's not a street name. Unique's name is a street name, right?

Yeah, I guess. I don't know where he got it from, so I can't say that it's a street name. So somebody might have gave it to him from his family, you know? Did you guys grow up together? Well, we didn't grow up together. I met Unique in my teen years. I was a teenager. and I used to see him flying by, ride by, and I knew a few guys that knew him, and I see him riding in different cars. And I'm like, yo, who is this new guy running around through Harlem like this?

So I asked one of my homeboys, and they was like, you know, his name unique. I said, I need to meet him, man. And he was like, all right, come down the hill. And that's how me and him met. And, you know, we never looked back after that. We was together all the time, man. So, yeah, he's one of my big brothers that I learned a lot from. So you were with him when he was serving his prison sentence, like there for him.

Yes. The whole 26 years. Well, I went in before him. I got locked up. So I was upstate New York, Kingston, and I left from Kingston, New York, and started going to Virginia. And when I was going to Virginia, I got caught up on the highway, me and a few guys, two other my co-defendants. We got pulled over on the highway, illegally. searched long story short was facing 60 years and I went and took it to trial and as I'm in there

my bail was a million dollars unique so I got in touch with him I had him come to my mother house and tell her I mean to let him know what was going on with me and you know see if he could bail me out he said yeah he was going to bail me out no problem just sit back and wait so I was sitting back waiting no unique I sit back waiting, no unique. Call my mother, he ain't called. She's like, no, baby, I ain't heard from him. I'm like, wow.

So I'm like, damn, what's going on? I just said, that's where I'm going to be at for right now. So they was pulling people over. Before you pass and come across the Maryland line to go to Virginia, they'll pull you over search your car. It was just a sting that they was doing. It wasn't even a sting. It was just illegal searching all the way,

all the whole procedure. They're just illegal searching people. So anyway, another guy that I knew from New York came through and got caught. And me and him was talking. And he was like, yo, that's messed up. What happened to your boy Unique, too, man? I said, what happened? He said, the feds jumped down to him crazy.

Locked him up. I'm like, no wonder he ain't come. Oh, wow. So he got locked up right after I did. So I did my time. I come home and he was in there doing the Life Plus 26. And that's when I stepped in to do my duty. diligence for my brother and held them down the rest of the way until he came home to this day.

Wow. So was yours a Fed case or was it just a... No, mine was just a regular case. They was just sitting on the side of the highway and any car that go by, if you look like you black or Spanish, they're pulling the car over and they're searching it. And, you know, I'm going to do a movie about this called Route 13. And that was like one of the safest routes to go going that way. So we was taking that way and I guess the police caught on to it and came up with how to pull people over and search their cars. So one of the cops actually got killed. They pulled over a guy that was on the run. He killed him, jumped out, ran. Another guy was a lawyer. They wrote him his ticket and then they asked him, can he search? And he said, no, you gave me my ticket. I'm leaving. He walked off to

go to his car and they bum rushed him to him. He was searching anyway, put the cups on. They didn't know he was a lawyer. So they was just doing the legal sting in Salisbury, Maryland. So the attorneys couldn't throw that out at all because it was race-based? Back then, I paid a lawyer. Her name is Sheila Brooks and never heard from her. She just robbed me for my money. Never heard of him.

She just disappeared. Then I got another lawyer, and his name was David Moore, which was supposed to be a good lawyer. You know, I was new in that area, so I didn't know anybody. in that area, but inside of the jail, I was hearing who was good lawyer. So, yeah, I hired a good lawyer, but they didn't fight it on illegal search. For one, they tricked you to sign that paper for the actual search. And the guy that was driving, the car wasn't even his name. So if you go by the law, he didn't have permission to say that they could search the car,

but they said he could because he was in control of the vehicle. So I don't know. So we went, we got off the time and we didn't take it. We went to trial. We went to trial. We blew trial. I took a judge trial because I would figure that the judge would actually uphold the law, being that it was a legal search.

Nobody claimed nothing. But they gave us all time anyway. So the judge knew he was going to be, he was finding us guilty, when we were sitting in there. My mother said that she came to the trial and everything. She said, that judge knew he was finding y'all guilty. All that was a waste of time. That's risky business doing a judge trial.

Yeah, it is. It is. And we did that. And, you know, I did law library the whole time I was in there. I studied the law. I basically was learning law in there. I actually liked it. If I went to school, I probably could have been a lawyer or something.

So, but it wasn't enough to help us. And I didn't have enough money at the time either, Because my money and ran out, you know, when you get locked up, people that owe you money, they disappear on you. And that's what happened. How old are you when you got locked up for that? I want to say 22. And Unique got locked up in his 20s, too? Yeah, I want to say, yeah.

His 20s. Yep. And he did 26. So, yeah, it had to be like right after because he's a little older than I am. So, yeah, that's the fact. How much time did they give you? Five. I did it out five years.

Oh, so you blew trial and they still only gave you five years. It could have been a lot worse. Yes. Not that I wasn't bad to begin with, but it could have been. It could have been a lot worse. And I thank God for that. You know, you got to pray mother and father, man. You know, that helps as well, you know.

Yeah. So, yeah. So you grew up in Harlem your whole life? Yes. Okay. What was that like? Man. I want to say it was the year of the golden years, man.

We had a great time. But it was the era where if you wasn't thorough, you would get ate up and swallowed up out there. But overall, we had good times. It was the era of a lot of money being made, a lot of people. Even, you know, little young boys was making money. At that time, our mental was way ahead of our time. When you were 15 and 16 right around,

and $100,000 cars and things of that nature, it's unbelievable because if you see the average 15-year-old now, you wouldn't believe that they would be riding that unless they went to the league or something early. So that's what we was doing early. So it was good times, and then it was bad times. But, you know, like me and my friend was talking last night in our area where I live from 146 St. Nicholas, we grew up wanting to get money, have fun, play basketball. messing with the ladies, you know, and that's it.

We ain't got time for no trouble and none of that stuff. And that's what we was, you know, that's how we rode. That's what we abide by, that type of stuff. We ain't looked for no trouble, but it was easy out there. If you wasn't, like we said, if you wasn't thorough, then them green goblin is going to come and try to come and dig in your pockets. Were your parents influential on keeping yourself out of trouble? Very big.

My mom's and pops didn't really play that. Like, when the lights get, it's about to get the dog when a young age, it's time for me and my brother to come upstairs. Our friends and some of them got to stay out late and stuff like that. But we used to sneak out the house when we wanted to go to the clubs to keep up with the Joneses, me and my middle brother. We used to sneak out the house, and we just leave the door open. You know, now when I think about that, it's like, man,

that's dangerous to do that and leave your parents in their sleep. You're sneaking outside just to. to go have some fun. Anybody could have walked in the house and did something to them. So they didn't play that. And, you know, a lot of butt-whoopings when you do wrong at school and all that.

But we used to sneak and do things behind their back. She would just never know what we was doing outside. But she'll find stuff in the house, around the house, if, you know, mother's intuition. So, yeah, she didn't play about us being out there in the mean streets like that. And, you know, it kind of saved us Because me catching my time at a late age, a lot of my friends,

even some of them got killed 15, 16, or some of them been in and out of jail early because they got to do whatever they wanted to do. And some of them was on drugs real bad. So that kind of saved, you know, me and my brother with them being how they was on a strict level. Yep. Were you a hustler early on? Did you, like, making money doing things yourself? Or were you, like, work a regular job type of person?

No, well, my mother used to work at a bank, chemical bank. and then she moved to Indesville Weads to sell money. She used to take us to work with her some time, and I used to see what she'd do. So I guess in my bloodline, I wanted to make some money. So, you know, it started early at 10 years old, me trying to think of ways to make some money. I'm outside hanging out.

And, you know, I tell the story all the time. And my friend A. Z., which from the Pade and Full movie, he was in the cleaners. If you ever seen the movie inside of the cleaners, work and he really did that in real life. And, you know, he was a guy who used to sit on a stoop, quiet, laid back. And if you don't see him on the stoop, laid back, he was at work. So I used to hang around him in the cleaners.

And I used to tell him, I want to make some money. Excuse me. So he was delivering the clothes himself. So he was such a good guy. He used to look out for me and he'll let me deliver the clothes and pay me money to deliver the clothes. So I started doing that type of situation with him until I started noticing other things after that. Now, weren't you in paid in full, too?

Yes, yes indeed. Okay. Was that after prison or before prison? That was after prison. That was after. Okay, so we'll get to that later on then about your acting career. Yeah, that's a fact. So do you think that if you were hanging around different individuals,

your life could have maybe ended up like Uniques going down that path? far as no well meaning catching 26 the life or something like that like getting caught up in like a kingpin statue

or anything like that I definitely was already in that world because back then I used to I had my own team hustling that's how I met unique so

I was working with AZ on the streets I want to be getting it because you know when I got old He was, A. Z would never let me touch no drugs or nothing. So as I got older, once I got into like high school, middle school, rather, I used to do little things for him. And then he would let me actually work at his store.

It was called the jukebox. So I was inside the store. I still wasn't selling drugs. I'd probably go in and, you know, grab some of the work, put the work in the games, take the money, put the money, and grab the work, take it back next door, put the money in the juice box and wait for him to come and get the money. So as I got older, I started selling my own drugs. And after I started selling my own drugs, I started saving my money, saving my money, and then I actually got my own team and gave them something to do. So I started creating my own lane,

my own moves, my own money, A-Z. And I'm going through the story kind of fast because, you know, as we got old, A-Z, left the game alone. Unfortunately, he got shot up and almost lost his in the game, which everybody know about that. So I started graduating to Big Boy level. I had two and three spots of my own with my crew on 146 St. Nicholas, 142nd between Broadway and Hamilton, and I wanted to go to the next level. So when I seen this guy riding by, which was unique in these cars, I knew what it was about.

I just needed to know how to get in. And my home boy took me to meet with him. When I went and met with him, I told him what I could do. And he trusted me. He gave me something with no money down. I leave, go come right back. And he was like, oh, okay, you're about your business. You're about your business.

And I started turning up and me and him hung out all the time. Clubs, riding motorcycles, dirt bikes. He'll go buy dirt bikes, buy you a brand new dirt bikes, what kind of guy he was. And we used to wake up. He'd come early in the morning waking me up to ride the four-wheelers and anything. But, yeah, I've been in the main streets making my own moves for a long time. So I could have, to answer your question, I could have got caught up in that world catching time like Unique did very easily. Because we was doing the same thing.

I just wasn't on a unique level. But I was on that level that could lend you a lot of time. Did you want to be on that unique level? Did you have aspirations? Yes. Everybody wanted to be on that level. That was the goal of being out there in the streets. What was it about the money or was it the power or was it a mixture of both?

It was a mixture of everything, man. When you get money, you feel good. All the women want you. And mainly us men, we do a lot of them things to impress women, you know, and, you know, stunting your boys a little bit. But overall, it's all about the women. And then when you're getting that kind of money and it's coming fast, you want to go to the next level.

And that's what it's all about. Elevation. And if you're in it to be playing around, you're in it for the wrong reason. There's no lowballing anything because when they come, they're coming. But we don't think about them coming. And especially at that time, people, you know, wasn't used to the police coming like that. Back in the 80s, it was kind of easy to sell drugs.

The police wasn't on to you like that until they started learning the game. And then they started running up in everybody's spots that had, you know, little crack houses and stuff like that. A little waste. A lot of money. Wow. This summer, turn your shape into your statement. Dr. Matthew Nichols' butts by design is about sculpting a little waste, enhancing your curves,

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Because that filled the economy back then. Yeah, that's a fact. And the more you do all the killings, the more attention you're bringing to yourself now, they know you are problems. So if they hear about you and your crew being, you know, these terror rises out there, they know they got to get rid of you and pull you in and take you off them streets, man. But overall, yeah, you pay them taxes and you stay under the radar.

They'll let you float for a little while. There's a few guys that's been out there that's had a long track record that I still see to this day. That's like big brothers to me that never even went through it. But they was big dogs on a unique level, I can say. And they never went through it. Knock on wood, thank God. And now they are successful businessmen. How do you compare the drug game back then to what you see the drug game now is with gangs and shootings and silly stuff?

Was that happening back then? No, not at all. Not to say that it was good, but the majority of time, if people got killed back then, they was getting killed because somebody owes some money, somebody stole some money, or people, you know, trying to rob you. They're doing that now anyway, but back then everybody was really making real money. Now, you can't really make no money like that no more because the snitch game is on this all-time high. It's a, you wonder what make people hustle.

knowing that they're going to tell. That's why you can't sell drugs no more. It's a rap for that. So back then, nobody didn't play nothing about no snitching. You can't come hang around if you went and told on somebody. And I don't even really remember too many people that we used to say, oh, so-and-so is home. You know he told we never even really had those conversations back then.

Now somebody go to jail? You want to check their resume, ASAP. So it's totally different. And, you know, the stuff with the, as far as the, you know, the guys, they call it moving on demon time that these young boys is doing, it's like they wake up knowing they're either going to kill or be killed. And, you know, that's sad that that's even happening because the mind is a terrible thing to waste. If we was thinking what we know now back then, we would all be powerful really right now, self. and I explain it a lot like how guys from New York used to go to Washington, D.C., and make money down there and end up either getting killed or killing somebody down there, going to jail.

And, you know, at that point in time, D.C. and New York was, I want to say not getting along, but you had some D.C. in New York guys that was cool, unique is one of them. He got so many guys that love him down there when he had me with him down there. I thought he lived down there, which he basically did, and I didn't even know it. And me and him was together all the time. But, you know, when I talk with the D.C. guys, I tell him, man, if we were stuck together back then with all that money was coming, you know what type of stuff we could have opened up and built and really some powerful things to this day, buildings and TV shows.

And, you know, like we could have did a lot of powerful stuff. And nobody's thinking like that now. These young boys, we try to teach them. That's what unique podcast is about. That's what my podcast is about. And this is what I like about your podcast, because you let people tell their story because it's needed to be told

so they could understand why we say don't do that. You shouldn't do that. Because they're only going to believe the people that actually went through it. What had to experience. Exactly. Somebody else, they're going to say,

I don't want to, what I'm listening to him for? What I'm listening to her? They don't know what they talk about. So that's what we try to preach to these, to the young boys, man. and to the young girls as well. That demon time and demon life and all that killing just because you don't like a person

is crazy. And that can go on and on. You know, the internet got this world messed up because the kids don't have to go to the mall and you don't have to be outside to get into a beef no more. We used to have to either see you at a club or you might bump me at a club

or at the basketball court and it's a beef. Now they can just be at home on the internet beefing with each other. on Instagram or why you like my girl picture when I see you it's on and that's why you probably hear about shootings at malls with these young guys because now they got to own up to what they said on the internet as soon as they see you they're shooting in malls and hitting innocent people and a whole bunch of ignorant stuff yeah people are way calm cooler and collected back in that era than they are today and it's a lot of it's these young guys that are getting guns and in the gangs and rolling around like the MS-13s and all of this

Yes. It's nuts out there. It's nuts, man. It's nuts, and it's very dangerous. And, you know, it'd be sad when they shooting each other and didn't hit an innocent young child. That's not cool. You know what I'm saying? And back then, when Killings was going on in our era, they do walk-ups.

There ain't no shooting from across the street. We're not riding by shooting, none of that. Back then, we walked them up and give it to the person who we have. had a problem with. So it wasn't no innocent people getting shot like that back then. Not saying it never happened, anything was possible, but the majority of time, that's how it goes when somebody was shooting and killing back then.

There's no shooting from afar and all that. That's not good, and it's not fair to other people. If you want to be a gangster, be a gangster. They always say real thugs is gentlemen, and real gangsters are gentlemen, meaning because they do everything accordingly. They don't just do it and act off of impulse. You know what I'm saying?

So now these young guys are just acting off impulse and think that that's cool. That's not cool at all. What were some of the principles in the street life back then that you guys kind of abided by and followed? Number one is never snitch. Do your time. That's it because it's not fair to take somebody away from their family

just so you could be back on the street and still back doing it. ignorant stuff. That's number one. Number two is you don't hurt nobody when you see them with their mother or their girl or whatever. You let it slide, give it a pass. That's another one. If you're somewhere fighting, everybody better be fighting. Don't come back talking about you tripped in your hands, then no knuckle, no scratches on your knuckles or nothing. That's not good. even if you was in a gun fight, don't come back with bullets in your gun,

and ours, and we, our guns are empty, and yours is not. You know, those are principles and a whole bunch of other principles, man, let me think of a few other good ones

that we, don't talk about your friend behind your friend back. Don't let nobody talk about your friend behind your friend back. Don't, don't, that's number one. Like, unique is one of them. I always tell people, if somebody was to say something about me, he was at, let me call him for you.

You know, that's how we do. I don't want to hear you talk about my boy to me because don't look for me to say nothing bad back about him, even if I'm mad at him. Number two, don't be in another thing. Don't try and sex your man's, your home boy's wife. Don't do that. That's a, that's a. That's a. That's a no-no.

That's a violation. Your girl could get naked in front of me. I don't care. I'm not touching that. I'm not doing that. And I'm going to let my bro know. That's a fact. Because that's somebody he loves and care about.

So if I do that, that'll hurt. I don't care how tough a man is. A woman is all of our weakness if we love them. So that's a no-no. I would never do that if you're my brother. You somebody say I love and I rock with you. That's a no-no. And don't touch nobody money.

Don't never play with nobody money. That's another big. Don't play with nobody money. If you owe some money, at least tell them what's going on or try and fix it. If it's still going to break your pocket, still pay it and try to get something else. And you get back and get yourself back. Don't take their money. So that's another big principle. Back then, did you ever think that there would be this world where guys could literally commit murder, snitch and get out and start talking about it on podcasts? Not at all. I've never seen this. this far, man. Never. And it's crazy because yeah, once you do your time,

you serve your time. They can't say nothing about it. You can't say nothing about it. You can talk about everything you've done. And I never saw this coming podcast. I've had a podcast set up and podcast wasn't even popular back then

except for, you know, mostly people you probably just see on TV but it used to come in a box, just the mic, and I forgot what else, some type of board came with it. There was no video, yeah. It was just audio.

It was just audio. Yep, I had one of those back then, and I was going to try to utilize it, but I just could never get into it. And now I look back years later, it's podcast everywhere, but video and audio everywhere. Yeah, it's wild. And, I mean, that's what I think Vlad does a good job with getting all those stories of, like, the rappers and, like, the mobsters and those guys out there. Was there a big mob preference?

presence in Harlem back then at all or no? No, no. No mob never really came up. Okay. When we was growing up, I'm, you know, I hear stories of the Nikki Barnes and the Frank Lucas guys when they was supposed to be dealing with them all back then. So maybe they probably maybe they was the only ones that I know of. I don't, we never had none of that preference. It was just too many young boys and dealing with the Spanish guys. guys at that time. When you were in high school, did you have dreams or aspirations of wanting to become something,

like outside of the life? Yeah, basketball. That was my game. I played basketball. And I wanted to do that. And unfortunately, you start touching some money. You let that go to the side and start playing hooky from school and things like that. And it just turns you to a whole other animal.

but I was actually good at school, got good grades. I actually played in the band in school. I did gymnastics. I did a few things. But, yeah, basketball was my main thing I wanted to do. Do you ever think life would have been different for you had you stayed with school focused on basketball and never even dabbled into the life at all?

Yeah, definitely. Because, you know, the things that I know now, If I would apply myself back then, like once again, it would have took me to another hype because I know how to, I don't want to say, I know how to market, I'm good at marketing. So even if I did play basketball, I probably took some money and opened up another business. I've had three clubs in Durham, North Carolina. I had them for a while. my first one was with my partner from Brooklyn

then one of my guys his name was big God bless him from Newark with him and one of them I had by myself I called it the rooftop so I was good at I was good at that you know and I bring the noise a lot of successful parties

and it has its ups and downs in that world but yeah I've done it I was a rapper myself I used to be signed with a Uniques, it's called Unique's distribution out of Hyde Park, New York. So I was rapping and, you know, I started pushing my own label all the above. And, you know, so I learned how to market from actually spending money and losing money in the game in that world. So, yeah, I knew it would have changed my life because once I knew the drug game was over when I stopped hustling, I changed my world around to the correct way of how I was supposed to be anyway.

Yeah. And I was listening to that interview you and Unique did and you guys were talking. I had no idea about this with Unique that you guys were throwing parties and hustling in that space too. And that's what I did. Right. You know, 30 years later as a kid in high school, I'd throw these little teen parties. Right. The same concept, you charge a cover fee.

You're keeping the door money. And then, you know, whatever other hustles are going inside. But you guys had a good business going on. Yeah. We did a lot of parties, man. But what happened, so with unique part, we used to throw parties at, in the Bronx. So after a while, just going through the story, just unique came to, came, and we met up, we all met up, and he just said he got this new club. I'm like, what?

He just got a club, a whole club. I'm like, get out of here. And he was like, yeah, man, we're going to do the grand opening. I'm taking everybody, shopping and buying the whole crew. He probably bought about 20 linen suits custom made. Wow. We all fresh to death for the grand opening night for Club 2000. And that was one of the biggest clubs in New York,

charging $200 to get in sometime more than that. And you name a celebrity, they came there. You name them, they came there. And that, you know, that money was, that's different money when it's coming to way fast like that. So yeah, we did our thing with the club thing and with the parties. And that's what made me when I came from jail wanted to get back into doing party promotions and all that, because I know what kind of money it brings. And I know I know a lot of people and I know how to actually market, you know, pulling in a nice, large crowd. So, yeah. So you get those five years

in a New York state prison. Is it like what we hear about today with the paperwork checking, all of that like back then? Well, mine was in Maryland. Okay. I was in Maryland, Salisbury, Maryland, and I did my time in Jessup, Maryland.

Once I got my time, that's where you send you to the prison. But they're all the same, though, everywhere. Yes, they want to see your paperwork. Even back then, all these years ago. Well, back then, I can't say how the Fed PIN was,

but back then I don't remember nobody asking for paperwork back then. I can't, I don't think so. Do you think it was because of your reputation? who you're associated with? Well, back then, snitching wasn't the in thing to do. So nine time out of ten, a person in here back then, they'd do no snitching anyway.

It wasn't not being done. It was snitching was being done still, but it wasn't heavy. So it got to the point over the years that it got so heavy. Now people have to check paperwork of who they're standing by inside of the jail. It's just, it's a given thing. you got to show that paperwork. You got to come to the yard with that paperwork. If not, you're going to have a problem.

That means you're hiding something. And nobody want to be around no snitches and no rats. And you've got to think also because, you know, guys is in there with doing real time with things that police didn't even get them for. Then you have these guys that might be a snitch up under you and start listening to your stories and hear something and then go back and call their lawyer and tell them, you know, get the feds on the phone. I got some information for them to get my time cut down.

So that's why you got to check people paperwork when they come in there. And it's just out of respect. If I go in there, you can see my paperwork. If you're ready to refresh your wardrobe for spring, Boehm is one of my go-to spots. They have the best everyday pieces. Think really good denim, easy dresses, and outfits you can actually wear on repeat.

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Back then, how are people getting word out on the street to see what someone was up to or anything like that? Was it just through the phone system? Yeah, definitely phone or mail or visits. One thing about prison, they get the information first. And they get it out to the streets. faster than anybody do. We don't know why, but that's how it happens.

That's a fact. Because there was no cell phones, like burner phones. There was nothing back then. Not at all. And I don't think you had to pay for phones back then. But you had to do collect calls, though. But overall, I think now inside of jail, they have to pay, have money on your account, and then you are able to call out.

I don't even think it's collect calls no more because there's no more house. phones anymore. Yeah. Now back then, what was commissary like? Cookies, donuts, soups. What else? It wasn't too much food where I was at. I really can't remember. More just like snacks and whatnot. Yeah, more like snacks. It's crazy how commissary has evolved, like in the prison system. Really? They have everything. They got Doritos. They got stucing. They got sneakers, they got radios, they got everything. We had sneakers. If you get, they'll give you a book and you can order from the book.

So I remember that sneakers and underwear and shirts and stuff like that. I remember that. But it's been so long, I can't remember everything in there. I guess when I got out of there, I said, I don't want to remember no more. Did you hustle at all in prison? Yeah. Did you have a hustle? Yeah, I would buy a lot of snacks and open the store and sell the snacks.

So the, the concept of the store was a thing even back then. Yes. This is what the 90s? Yeah, in the 90, 1992. Yeah, so that is crazy how these things that occur now, like when I was in prison in 2016, were happening all these years ago. And it just gets passed down to generations.

Yes, yes. I was selling my, I'm selling commissary. I made sure I stock up, make sure I kept it, you know, kept it stocked up, man. So, yeah, that was my hustle. But I liked to play dice. We was in there and playing dice. Four, five, six?

Yeah, Celo. That's what I play. Yes, sir. Celo. I love Celo. Yes, sir. Cilow and some cards. That's what helped the time go by, man.

Spades? Spades, chess. Spades, chess. Love when it was time to go play basketball, go get a good workout in. And Dice, man. That's a fact. Was there a lot of violence during the time in prison, or is everyone kind of just respectful?

Where I was at is a lot of violence. And then there was a prison right next door to us. The helicopter used to go there all the time. Like the medical helicopter? Yeah, all the time over there, Jessup. And Jessup was known for, it was called the Cut, the Cut annex. And they was known for nothing to play with there as well. So, yeah, it was trouble in paradise over there.

What would you think was the craziest thing you saw personally while you were in prison? The craziest thing I saw was, um, stabbing and all that was normal, yeah. Which is crazy. Yeah, right, it was normal. It really wasn't, and the only crazy thing that I saw that I didn't like was a guy came from doing 20-some years, and he was on his way home, so they brought him to our prison, and he was only going to be there for another two months, and he was about to go home. And it was a young guy in there.

And in our dorm, the bathrooms wasn't working. And they used to leave our door open in night so we can use the bathroom. But normally it'd be closed. So the door was, you know, they kept the door open in night. And so we used to notice the new guy coming. It was a young guy in there. The young guy was young, but he was kind of tall. And he used to had a young guy with him every day, walking the yard,

come back into the dome. He's sitting on the bed with him, chilling. The young guy never was doing. He used to be playing cars with us and stuff like that. And so we're thinking he might know him from the streets.

And, long story short, one particular night, I fell asleep early. When I woke up, I hear a bunch of commotion. He had, when they waited for everybody to lay down, I guess, and go to sleep.

He took the young boy in the bathroom and took his manhood. And the young boy, I guess it hurt him real bad. He jumps up and runs up and run to the bubble, to where the C-holes is that, slips and fall and, you know, holding his behind. And the guy coming out holding his hand, like, what happened trying to look like he ain't did nothing?

That right there is just crazy to me, that you would just know you about to go home. If your preferences meant I have no problem with what somebody do, that's on them. but you're going to do that to the young boy. You basically tricked him and manipulated them to take his men. That's one of the craziest thing that I saw in prison, which is sad. Would you stand up for someone like that?

No, I can't. And then you got to fight for yourself with doing something like that. I can't protect what another man got going on. If you're not going to fight for yourself, I can't do that. I'm never going to fight for nobody. I ain't going to fight for themselves. But now if they're a weak link and you're trying to pick on them and take their stuff and bully them, then yeah, sometimes you just, some people do stand up for those type of guys. Like, chill, give them a pass, bro.

Like, he ain't even trying to fight you, man. He ain't even got that much stuff. Like, chill, you know what I'm saying? Stuff like that. But if they're trying to do sexual encounters, I wouldn't never get involved with none of that. See, now they just let everyone run wild. Like, when I was in prison, like the young D.C. guys or whatever, they just let them. do whatever, store, steel, this and that.

There's no principle. They're going after the weakest link. Right. There's no one to check them on it. Right, right. Rikers Island was like that. You better go on there thorough because nobody was checking nobody. They're taking them sneakers, even if they halfway look good.

They'll clean them up. So, yeah, I get it. Now, when you got out, why did you decide to not go back into the life and kind of double down and get to a new level? Well, when I got out, I kind of did go to that next level. You know, I did run back into that world. And I was on a level bigger than I ever was, you know. And it wasn't on a unique level, but it was getting there. And actually, I was getting so much money.

It just got scary. Like, you think somebody's watching you all the time, man. And, you know, it just can. a point time when I said I'm gonna just fall back. I'm gonna give doing the right thing a try. And that's when I opened these clubs up and started throwing parties and doing things that I knew that will get me the type of money that I like getting.

So I was bringing, paying big artists to come through. And then I was rapping also at the time. So I'll pay artists to come through. I'll open up for them and probably let somebody else open up for them. I used to bring like the lost boys, Mr. Cheeks and them, them my boys. I used to bring Bismarkey down. God bless the dead, the DJ for me. I used to bring DJ Clue down on several occasions.

And so, you know, those type of parties, I would get at least 30 to 40,000 on a good night. Wow. Then I started elevating. And I probably bought. I had Jay-Z in Grangeboro, North Carolina one time. He bought Beyonce with him that night, too. I think Kanye West was with him, too. But he came when they was on tour.

So we got the after-party for that. We made probably about $70, $80,000 that night. I did Rick Ross. I had Rick Ross and Raleigh and teamed up with some people, teamed up with some people and did GZ. And, you know, few of us promoters will get together and team up and put some money together and collect that bag. You know, so that's where I had left the streets alone

because I was pushing my rap career and I seen that I could do something different. So I promoted these parties. And after I started to promote parties, some buildings came my way. Once I got, my first club was downtown Durham with my boy's name, P, we call him Master P. And him and his boy, Mike had it.

Mike got locked up for something. I forgot. And the club was open, And so he asked me to team up with him. I'm like, that's perfect. We got the club, and we was killing them ever since, man. And, you know, in club business, at the time, in the urban world, if a new club over, and they'll start trickering over there,

and then you probably have to bring a celebrity there, and they'll come back there. But if they like the new club, then it's tug of Warren. And it just got to a point where we let that club go, and I opened a club rooftop, which was across the street over a club called executive club. It was really two clubs, but they let me rent the top part. out so I opened that club up. So, you know, I

really need the streets no more because I was doing the things that I like to do and making the type of money that I like to make on that level without having to look over my shoulder with police presence. You know? You know, the party promotion business is just as lucrative as the drug business if you do it right. That's a fact. I mean, when I was in high school, I'd make $10,000 one night.

That's a fact. There's not that many drug deals. that are doing that legally, you know, in one home. That's a fact. In one day, that's a fact. Imagine putting that hustler energy, like these low-time drug dealers now that are pushing small amounts away. If you put that energy that you're doing into some type of promotion and hustle and that mindset, you're good. Exactly.

You're making money. Exactly. And you know it's some bad times. Now, I've lost $30,000 at one time before. I did my boy McGruff party down at Club Speed in New York. I was one of the first to set speed off, and I did McGruff party. But some, you know, had everybody in there. All the bad boys' staff was in there.

I had Joe Claire. I had Kit Capri DJing. And the person that was at the door was thinking it was a free party because I let my boy handle it. And he didn't give these, this person the right directives of what this is really. really is. We have a pack club, the money was not made because they was letting people in like it was free. I'm like, yo, are you bugging? Yeah, I've been there before losing your bag on stuff. Yes. You could lose a lot of money, too, on the flip side. Yeah, it's a fact. And it happens. Then you can do some parties sometime in North Carolina. If it rained, people might not even come

out. That's how they are in North Carolina. It's not like New York. They come in our rain so it's no, it don't matter. North Carolina, you're like, and if you do, and if you don't do the promotion, right, you might lose money as well. Yeah, Connecticut's kind of like that, too. Whenever it rained or something, unless people previously bought tickets, then they'll show up. But if they're not, and you're just banking on door sales, if it's a rained out event, you're

screwed. You're screwed. Money down the drain, man. Yeah, we were always checking the weather, and we'd always get lucky during our promotions. But then as we got into the concert business, and you're selling tickets. It's online and that era came, we got a little more security. Right. Still high risk, but you got more security.

Right, facts. And if you were hoping to make a little bit extra at the door and it's pouring rain, no one's coming. That's a fact. It's so weird. You're sitting around like, oh, my God. Yeah, but people line out the door for Taylor Swift or any of his other people. That's a fact. So now when someone goes to Google your name, a big thing that comes up in the search results is paid in full.

How did that even come about and how'd that even happen? As far as what, me getting into the movie? Yeah, getting into the movie, why you were even interested in it and everything. Well, my friend A.Z, what I was talking about, he wrote the movie. Before I got locked up, he wrote it. He wrote the movie? Yeah, he wrote the movie. It was called Trapped.

And the logo was like a cross with Jesus hanging over it. But so I introduced him to my home girl named Keisha. And I want to say Keisha. Don't quote me on it. I think Keisha is the one that took him to meet with Damon Dash. And when he met with Damon Dash, Damon Dash already know about the story of A.Z and the Rich Porter era and what that movie holds is powerful story.

So once Damon got it, he, I guess, sold it to the Harvey Weinstein guy, and they got a budget, I think, of $13 million for that movie. So once the movie was put into play, and I guess Dame did his due diligence, my best friend is Damon Dash, best friend at the time. I knew Dame, but I didn't know him the way how me and Dame is close now. That's like my brother now, you know what I'm saying? Somebody I love. but back then

him and my best friends is best friends they grew up doing things together so he called him and told him I got the movie we're about to start shooting we're going to Canada and that's where it was shot in Canada everybody thought it was shot in Harlem but it was shot in Canada so he called him told him to come to Canada

so when he gets over to Canada he noticing what's going on with McCaufeiffer Wood Harris and you know and the people that they have to portray because we grew up with the rich porters and the AZs and all of them so we know you know they swag and demeanor and you know things of that nature we know what was going on at the time because i used to be you know the guy that ran with A and my best friend was the guy that ran with rich Porter he was actually rich porter's lieutenant so when he gets over there he started noticing everything

was going on so he told dame yo we got to get Bousie over here because he knows the other side of this story because A wrote it. He used to be with A. So he called me up and said, yo, you want to come to Canada to work on the film? I'm like, what? How I get over there? I need to pack my bags now.

He said, man, get you a flight, try to get you a flight, and just come on over. Long story short, I got on over there to Canada. He said, don't say you're coming over here to work. Say you come to visit a friend because they're real strict over there about people.

that they let, they comes over there about working. Yeah, I didn't know that. They held them up and made them actually fly back him and Dame Dash at one point in time. They had to come back and then, I guess, regroup and go back over there to be, you know, on set working. So I said that I'm going to visit a friend, whatever, when I go through customs. And I get out there on set, man. It was a whole other world for me because I've seen movies being shot before, but I never was just in the mixed of it in the middle of it while it's going.

on. So that's how I got out there. So I wasn't going out there as an actor. I was going out there as a consultant. Okay. Which I can act because I did plays in school. A lot. You did plays. Yes, I did plays in school, Christmas plays, a whole bunch of plays, man. That's so funny. Yeah. I did plays too. I did musicals and whatnot. Wow. That's what's up. Look at that. We lived a similar life. That's a fact. Prison plays. Yes. parties. Yes, that's a fact. And wasn't Denzel Washington in Painful?

N'n't. McCaffeefer, Wood Harris. Carfeiffer, Wood Harris. Who else is a big name in there? The female... Who is the lead white guy? There's a white guy in it. The lead white guy?

Uh-uh. Maybe I'm confused with a different one. Yeah, yeah. There's no white guy in it? Paid and Full is the movie about the three guys from Harlem That was making a lot of money and you know one of them got shot and killed not I mean got shot AZ is the The uh um

AZ is the one who wrote his name is Ace in the movie so he gets shot And once he gets shot he wanted to leave the game alone And then you know they was begging him to stop don't stop don't quit the game and you know it just gave you everyday due diligence of Harlem and what we was going through in their era, in their segment of Harlem. I got to watch it again. I saw it years and years ago. Yeah, no doubt.

There is a movie, though, from that time period that I think Denzel's in, an earlier movie. That might have. Denzel played Frank Lucas. Okay, maybe that's what it was. Yeah, Denzel played Frank Lucas. I still don't remember a lead guy in that one. And then you have a Harlem movie that, me and my, my mom. Brother Ghead was talking about

that Wesley Snipes played out, which is Harlem. He played in that. But those is about the basic ones that's popular like Pay the Full. Pader Full is so popular that it was number one

in the Spanish country. And they had the words translated to Spanish. That's how popular that movie is. So how I got my scene, so I did one, okay, when we got back to Harlem, when we got back to Harlem, I did a scene when the cars was coming out down out of the garage. They're showing them getting different cars now because he's starting to get money.

He left the cleaners and started hustling and he started graduating. So it's a scene where I walk up, meet with Wood Harris, give him a bag, a bag of money he gave me more drugs i turn around and give it so they kind of flashed through that scene but my most rememberable scene was when i played a goon for the dude riko and rico was letting ace know that he got this guy standing right next to him this guy was trying to set you up and you thought that he was your man and long story short he turned around they told us to turn around We spin him around and they shoot him in the butt with the gun. He take off run.

I said, and my boy snatched the chain and give me the chain. And I'm holding the chain. And Rico say, yo, yo, where the chain? And that guy said, okay, you shining there. Be it's shining. And I'm smiling. That part is so memorable, that one little part. And I didn't talk because I wasn't in the union.

I didn't have a sad card. Okay. If I were to talk, they probably would have took that part out. They actually utilized that part for the rapper Cameron. When they did the Source Awards, he was the best. actor of the year award, they used that scene with me and him. So that scene been around, and it's so well known.

I'd be in airports, I'd be in bars. People know me from there. You're from somewhere. Yo, when you were in, they called it belly, didn't they say, no, no, pay them full. Yeah, yo, I've seen you, yo. Looking to start 2026 with an unforgettable getaway. Fiji Airway sale is on now.

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Conditions apply. You know, I get a lot of love from that part all the way to this day. That's incredible. Yeah, it is. Did you do other acting, like, appearances or anything after that? Or was that just like a one and done? No, no, now I...

Well, well, What I do now is I do 90s parties, paid in full 90s parties. I do it in a lot of places. So I charge $1,500,000 depending on a person. It might charge $1,000 for you, my boy. And, you know, they don't have to pay the big actors in there, all those thousands of dollars. They can use the theme and got somebody that's actually in the movie.

And it's me. We have a good time. People dress up nice. Some guys give away the female of the best in 90s attire, $200 and stuff like that. How often do you do this? Is it high demand? It was a high demand.

Now it's, when it get hot, more people call. So I still been doing them. I did two this winter. Did two this winter. I suppose it did one in Virginia, but my boy's girl got sick, so they canceled that. But I had, basically, I would have said

I had three for this year, would have been three. So it's summertime now, so I'll probably get some more. But, so after the pay-the-four movie, I did a movie called Jukes is about these college dudes play football, and the cousin was getting some money, and they wanted to make some money. They were like, man, we need to get with you a cousin. He wasn't allowed him to hustle with him. And he said, he told his homeboy.

He was telling his homeboy, like, man, we need to do it a little bit. bit more, making a few more moves, man. And his homeboy convinced him to utilize his cousin than them, because they was fast. If they need to run to get away from police, you can utilize them. They're football players. So they utilized them, and they started making money with them, but they started robbing people. They were sending them on robinspris. So that's what jukes mean in our culture.

We're going on a juk. I mean, we're going on a robbery. So they was pulling off these robberies with the young college guys because they fast and they got the, you know, the look of We Won't Do Nothing to You. So that was a movie that I'd done. I got, who I had in there? I had my boy, Shea David from the Smack DVD in there. I got Loon.

I put Loon in the movie. The rapper Loon, his name is Amir now. He's Muslim. He was a bad boy on the song, I Need a Girl with Puff. So, you know, that's my family. So I put him in the movie. And we did fairly good. It was an independent film that my boy Nick wrote.

He's from Greenville, North Carolina, and a lot of people supported him with that movie. The college supported him, let him utilize the college and everything. So after that movie, I did another movie with my brother with Damon Dash. It was the Damon Dash and the Kanye West film. It was called Honor Up. which is, I think it should be on Tooby. If not, they can go to Dame Dash, New America New, that's NU, America, NU, New.

That's his new, that's his new network. So you can go and check the honor up there. The movie about this, up there, it's about the catchback of the days where your honor is all you got. shows when guys was being was locked up. Stalice P. from the locks is in there. Stacey Dash is in there. Jadakiss is in there. And it shows when these guys get locked up

and there was a crew, like how the 80s was, nobody did no snitching and show them being interrogated and everybody stood told. It did, you know, did their time. It didn't do no telling. And I had a shootout scene in that, actually. Yes.

Was that your favorite? you've ever done? Man, it was kind of my worst scene, but I had to, because I had to do that scene probably 20 times because I get shot and I got to fall and we outside on concrete. And I had to fall several

times, knees scarred up. It felt like I was in a fight after the night was over, man. Hand scarred up. What do they use to show blood? It's a patch thing that they put on you. Okay. And it's somebody holding the, uh, a trigger. So,

So, all right, so we playing dice and we're not seeing the guys coming from the left of us. Once they came from the left, they aiming the gun. So we pull out, we're firing it. Pah, paw, paw, pow, pow, pow, we're going back and forth. So as I run and I turn, that's when I act as if I got shot. They say, act as if you got shot. And when we hit the button, that's when you, and you can feel it hit you too. So that's when you even do it even, you know, you do your motions even more.

So, and the blood comes gushing out. Yes, fake blood and it looks real. And it's crazy. But I had to do it several times over and over and had to break my fall every time I did it to make it look real. And I'm like, what? Do it again? Man. What, they keep changing your shirt?

No, before we actually is going to do the actual one. Yeah. And that's when they said, we're going to, this one is it. Let's go. Oh, okay. Yes, sir. So they were getting you warmed up. Yeah, and I liked it.

And it looked good. So once again, my brother, David Dash, he made sure. Because I came, we came late. We wasn't really scheduled to be in that film. We heard they were shooting up state New York. So me and my bro, Jay Black, we came up to New York. And once we got there, you know, they was pretty much at the end of almost finishing filming the film. and he found the part for us to put us in.

So that's why I always give, you know, Damien Dash's props because he a brother that always look out for me and my brothers, man, and, you know, things that he's done for me is still a stain on my shirt, which is a good stain on my shirt. You feel what I'm saying? Like, his presence is always going to be felt when I speak,

and my brother Jay Black as well because, you know, he prayed apart in, you know, intricate things that I've done. And so when we get there, he found the scene for me. So we getting there, we do the scene. After the scene was done, it's slow motion. I like how they was doing the slow motion. Everybody was like, ooh, that's going to look tough.

Wow. Wow. So what he did was Ben and I had that part. He did it in slow motion and turned around and had the cameras, how he had them edited. it made sure that I was seen real good in that and several times in that film and gave me a credit on, you know, on the screen

as, you know, put my name up there because really a role like that is like being an extra. You really don't get no credit. So that's why I get my boy credit because he put me up there. So if I do my resume, I could, you know, utilize that as a credit. So for other movies.

Yeah. So I did that movie. I'm trying to think And that's pretty much it Far as those films So now I have a movie on Tooby It's called A polished soul And it's about

It's a true story My friend, his name is Mike Anderson He was locked up with The death penalty And he copped out to a life sentence To duck the death penalty He did 17 years And he took those 17 years

And learned how to write scripts and read go to school everything he came home with that script and put that script to work and he got the guy read in there from the five heartbeats he's in there uh akamah tumbe is in there he's a big actor and a lot of stuff but the movie's about him coming home from jail and he has a guy playing him and this guy is from from Durham and the guy is telling the movie's about a guy about him telling these young boys he catch a guy about the guy tries to rob him and he tells the young guy this not what you want to do man let me explain something to you he kind of gets the young guy attention to the point where the guy start putting the gun down and so

start to listening to him and breaking it down to him that he'd been in jail for this. And this is not the way of life. So as he's telling the story, you'll see the movie playing out as he's telling the story to the young guy. So it's called Apollos on Tooby now. And actually, we put it through Dame Dash's network on Tooby. So anybody, you know, looking to give your kids something positive, man. Y'all go up there and check that out.

And then we got another one that I did some work with one of my friends, which is on Tobey, is a good must-go-see as well. It's called 17 days, the number 17 and word D-A-Y-S days. 17 days is a domestic violence film. And it's about, you know, the typical man-meater woman. He's a great guy at the beginning. Take a wine or diner, fall in love. And then now when his first time ever going through something,

And once he went the girl, he win the lady. She's his now. He'd go through something. He tests the water in one smack. Smack her, beat her, whatever. Come back, apologize. She accepted. Let him back in.

To get to the point where he harmed her and hurt her and put her in jail. I mean, he gets put her in the hospital and he gets put in jail and tries and, you know, get his way back in to pull her, work his way back in for her. drop the charges on them. But it's a good domestic violence film because it shows these women what other women go through. And it shows these women that is going through

what you need to do to get out of a situation like that. You know what I'm saying? Stick with your family and things of that nature. And my boy, his name is Mark Scheis. He played that part real good. So I don't want nobody look at him crazy because I had a few guys call and say, man, who was that guy?

I played that part, man. I wanted to hurt him, man. And he's in a few joints in power. Who is he playing power? He, I think he played a cop role. It wasn't a major role in that, but he actually paid a cop, too, in that HBO special with all the police

that was doing corrupt stuff in Baltimore. He plays one of the cops in that as well. He likes playing cops. Yeah, but he's in a few other good films, though. And he's doing these, becoming star. And, um, um, Omar Gooden is in the film that played in baby boy with Tyrese.

That's my boy, um, Miguel Nunes, Joanna, man, he is in the film. So that's a must go see, man. Anybody going through domestic violence, you know, I feel for y'all and, you know, y'all go and see it and pass the word, you know? Absolutely. So, yeah. So that's, that's basically pretty much it. And we're about to start working on some films now with my boy Johnny Anderson,

We got a film called glue, and it's about keeping the family together. I got a few projects on the way, man. That's exciting. Yeah, that's a fact. What have you learned throughout your whole life from the street life, then prison, to then transitioning into this new life you have now? What are, like, the life lessons and takeaways you want the younger audience to learn from? That street life, I can't lie, we have fun.

but it was dangerous. It's called gambling with your life. And for the young cats right now, I try to tell them, like, you can hustle forever, but it takes them one time to catch you, and your life is done. All the money you got,

they're going to take it. It's going to cost you a lot of money for a lawyer, a lot of money for bail. Then if you do get time, you ain't even going to be there to spend the money that you got out on the street if they didn't get all of it. So it's a waste of time.

So the transition, From what I was doing to now is a beautiful thing. It was a struggle, though. It was nothing easy. I knew it wasn't going to be nothing easy, but I like to challenge myself. And, you know, once I knew that the rat, the snitch game was in, I knew the game was over.

So, because it's not us against them anymore. It's us against us out there in the streets. The police don't have to work no more. And then you got guys that come. come and be, you know, we all might hang out every day. Out of five of us, one of the guys leaving, and we all leave at night. Something happened. We don't know what happened.

The police lock them up, let them back out. Then we back out the next day, not knowing this guy is under police, working for the police now. And we all doing whatever we do. And he's going back reporting, and then two, three months later, you're getting cuffed and you don't even know why. And then you see paperwork later because you know. don't see who telling on you right then and there. That's too easy to go to jail. And that's what made me figure out.

You better do something fast because this ain't it. And that's what made me transition to doing other things. And thank God that I, by me throwing parties and booking celebrities, I got to build relationships with them and me other people. So it started growing and growing and growing. And then when, you know, that land in that role, Well, not a role, but that part in the paid and full, and it was popular. A lot of people attracted, you know, it attracted a lot of other business for me.

You never know what could happen. That's a fact, man. Relationships are everything. That's a fact. If I never met unique, we wouldn't be sitting here right now. That's a fact. I'm on the Ian Beck show right now from all of that to this. It's crazy. That's a fact.

Life has a very peculiar way of falling into place and connecting you with people. and you just got to go with it. You got to roll with it. Very peculiar. And, you know, like I said, it's rough, but people got to give it a chance. And you can't let pride get in the way because, you know, we used to jumping in them cars when we want to. And if we're tired of this, when we go by another one with no problem, done it. I have had every car that you can name except for Bentley, Ferrari, or Phantom.

But anything else that I've had it all. And it don't matter. And so who cares? I didn't even hardly used to drive them. I let my crew drive him. I never really came outside. And, you know, at the end of the day, that car stuff doesn't mean nothing. You can lease a car and enjoy it, but you can also give it back with no headaches.

You don't need a car to make money. You don't need a car to impress a woman. A woman is impressed now with a man that can think. A man that moves smart. That's what women are oppressed with now. They don't even, back in the days, yeah, they wanted them a nice drug dealer getting some money. Now, you tell a woman about some drugs, she's scaddle.

She does not want to be around that. You can impress women now with smarts. Yeah, dress nice, and it always do that. But don't get caught up on materialistic things. So now what young cats got to understand, you just double down your budget of how you live. Don't be living over your means. Yes, get you.

something nice, but stay focused until you get in a position in the legal life where you can live, how you want to live. So, yeah, I had to double down, but nobody knew it because I still kept myself up to part and I stayed doing what I need to do until I started gaining momentum with doing things in the industry. And that's what, you know, changed my life. Absolutely. Well, Big Booty. Thank you so much for coming on the show today, making a drive out here. Absolute pleasure to connect with you. I appreciate it, man.

And it's worth to drive anything that's pushing what we're doing and pushing, you know, towards the youth. It's a blessing. Like you said, you never know what happens after this. Yeah, you never know who's going to watch this and reach out to you. And we'll put your links to your stuff in the bio of the episode when it comes out. You said you had a podcast. Yeah, street knowledge podcast.

Street knowledge, one word, podcast. So, yeah, all y'all go, you know, Go check it out. Let me know what y'all think. Y'all will see my live set that I have. Then I got another set where I, you know, where I have all my posters of my projects. I talk behind that.

Then sometime I go somewhere else off location and do a few, you know, talk about a few things here and there, man. So, yeah, thanks for having me, brother. Of course, man. I appreciate you.