Locked On ACC - Daily College Football & Basketball Podcast - ACC SQUAD - The ACC is in a DEBT CRISIS | Is this sustainable for the conference?

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

ACC teams are facing a staggering $55 million average net operating loss, fueling urgent questions about the future of college sports. Will massive booster contributions and student fees be enough to sustain programs as the financial gap between the ACC, SEC, and Big Ten grows? The ACC Squad unpacks NCAA fiscal reports, dissect the sustainability of the current funding model, and debate the potential for seismic shifts—including breakaway powerhouses and changes to media rights distribution. Controversy deepens as the crew critiques the ACC’s baffling basketball scheduling, proposing geographic pods to cut travel and preserve rivalries like North Carolina Tar Heels vs. NC State Wolfpack. The episode also spotlights the conference’s shockingly poor baseball postseason, with only the Tar Heels advancing while top seeds like Georgia Tech and Florida State stumble. Will a new structure save the ACC, or is sweeping change inevitable for college athletics? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Holy cow, ACC teams are operating at a huge loss. Is there any way to keep this sustainable? You're talking ball with the ACC squad. From Florida State to North Carolina, from Syracuse to Miami, and from NC State to California, it's the local experts of the Locked-on Podcast Network, bringing you scoops, breakdowns, and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming ACC weekend.

Hang on, it could get loud, it could get heated, and it will definitely be fun. Squad up, you're part of the ACC squad. Hey there, what's up? Welcome in to the ACC squad show here on the Locked On podcast network. Great to be with you. We've got Brian Smith, the host of Locked on Seminoles, Mr. KG, Kenton Gibbs, the co-host of Locked on ACC, and the co-host of Locked on Wolfpack.

I'm Isaac Shade, the host of Locked on Tarshad, the host of Locked on college basketball. I forgot to mention locked on portal, our man, Brian Smith, killing it there as we get into the summer. Here's where we're headed on the show today. Working backwards, oh boy, fellas, our conference laid an absolute turd in the ACs, in the, excuse me, in the NCAA baseball tournament, eight of the nine teams lose in the regional round.

We have just one team left playing in the super regionals. Before that, though, the basketball matchups for next season have come out, not the full schedules, but we know who's playing. And fellas, I don't think this scheduling way they do it makes any lick of sense. We're going to have to talk about that and how we might be able to do it differently. But before we get to any of that, some numbers have come out about how the ACC athletic departments are operating at a loss. And I don't know if this is going to be sustainable. Here's the numbers.

And then I want to get Brian Smith's take on it who's laughing hysterically right now. This tweet is from Jim Williams. at JWM or excuse me at JW Media DC he says per the NCAA the ACCA the ACC athletic department's average ready for this number boys 55 million dollars net operating losses in fiscal year 25 that's the 15 public schools he goes on to say but they stay to float thanks to offsets booster contributions about 45 million a school school support about 10 million a school and student fees about 9 million a school total offset 64 million resulting in a 9.8 million surplus. The media check covers only 35 million of 152 million and expenses.

The rest comes from boosters and the university. Brian Smith is this in any way a sustainable model? No, because the ACC is not winning as the gap grows between the Big Ten and SEC and everybody else and full disclosure the day that we're doing this i'd already potted about ford estate and being mad about the acc most of the teams and i know four states not very good right now to be very kind but the acc teams are not helping and they're not generating much revenue like the difference between the big 10 revenue in the acc is enormous is ginormous eventually boosters are going to say look this is a poor investment even rich people

do not want to hand out Benjamin's for fun. That is not a sustainable model without this really key ingredient. Kenton, do you think the boosters were nicer to you at NC State when you guys won on a Saturday night? Oh, of course. There he goes. That's it, brother. They got to win more. And I'm talking about Virginia.

Like Syracuse, Boston College is horrific. Pittsburgh can't recruit itself out of its own wet pick for sack in Pittsburgh. and it's loaded. They ain't got no NIL, allegedly. They're hemorrhaging players that Texas and Notre Dame and other places. This league's in trouble, man. Like, I personally think the Big 12 is passing the ACC because they're spending so much money. Not just talking about tech either.

Baylor, BYU. Even Houston is doing better. They don't have the NIL, some of these schools do. Well, I want to push back on that only on this. front. The Big 12 schools are losing money too. You know what I mean? Like, don't get me wrong. This isn't, this isn't me saying that, oh, these, you know, it's okay for our schools to lose money because they're doing it. But the idea that we're going to get surpassed by the

Big 12 when we have higher payouts per our conference agreement. And even if you want to say, well, all of the teams in the conference, their payouts haven't kicked in yet. Same thing. Same thing for the Big 12. All those Pack 12 schools are not. getting full bids yet over there. And some of those schools, yes, they do have amazing amounts of money and whatnot, but this is not an ACC problem.

This is a college football problem. I do want to make it clear. This is a problem. I don't want to downplay that or have anybody think that I'm under the illusion that this is not a problem. No, this is problematic to say the least. However,

this is going to be a continuous problem all around college football. And I'm not saying that, you know, you're going to expect to see this from Big Ten and SEC schools to the same degree, but it recently just came out that Rutgers is in nine figures of debt. And they've been in the Big Ten for quite some time. So this is, this is the nature of college sports when it became an arms race about who could spend the most in perpetuity. That's what happened. It became about who's got the money and who doesn't at a higher level than it was before, because let's be honest.

For decades, it's kind of been about that, right? But now you don't need the bag man and the intermediaries and the, oh, yeah, you just, your dad who has no experience in managing plants at all is now a plant manager at this factory that happens to be right by our school. You don't do it like that anymore. You just say, here, here's the money, your son's going to play here. There you go. Here's the money.

Your daughter's going to play here. Take this and make sure they're on campus and working hard. So, you know, this is not sustainable. I agree, Isaac. It's not. This is not a model where people are going to want to keep kicking out 45 million, 50 million, 60 million to bridge the gap. Winning or not, by the way, because I don't think that winning solves this for a lot of these schools. Because even if you're winning, how much is that really worth to you?

Is winning really worth a million dollars a year to some of these folks? I don't know. But I don't think it's sustainable, but I don't think it's an ACC exclusive deal. Interesting. Do you, would you guys say, as you talk about like, Brian, you pitted the ACC and Big 12 against each other. Is there a world in which because the Big 10 and SEC have separated somewhat, it's like Big 10 in SEC versus Big 12 in ACC or Kenton kind of to your point, do you think it's so far gone for all four of the power conferences and everybody else as well that the whole thing isn't sustainable and there's just a whole new model that's got to be figured out? that's a really tough question and that's one of the reasons that like that new protect college sports thing they're doing which hang on in real time the sce literally just saw this tweet the SEC has put out a statement

kind of pushing back on it both the big 10 and SEC so that's interesting keep going Brian well they're talking about media rights being quote unquote pooled to help at stanton talking about he's correct the money that ruckers is in the hole what are we doing they're right outside of new york city and they're in the big ten somebody there needs to get fired first off second off the pulling of the money sounds neat but i guarantee you these the following schools are going to put the middle bird to that Alabama Georgia Texas Ohio state Oregon Notre Dame Miami or the state and clemson so how do you get everybody to agree when nobody agrees on anything in society.

How many people do you know, Kent, that give up money freely? Not many. Not, not. I don't know any. So good luck with that. I mean, there are people that bet on the Cleveland Browns after all, Smitty. So there are people who give up money. You know, they just don't announce it.

They just don't announce it. They say, oh, yeah, the Browns are going to win this guy. They just don't announce it. But in all seriousness, this is a moment where I agree. Smith, to some extent, there is a problem amongst like, hey, how do you get everybody to get on board with this thing and on board with a new distribution model or something like that? But what I see as the most likely outcome of this thing is some of those bigger teams deciding we want to break away. The ACC has set a precedence where Miami kept all of Miami's playoff money from last year. They

didn't have to share it with anybody. That's right. How long is Michigan and Ohio State, and so on and so forth, going to be happy sharing with Purdue. How long is Georgia and Bama and company going to be comfortable giving an even cut to Starkville when they're bad? How long? The non-Dack Prescott years.

The non-Dak Prescott ain't walking through that door in crisis. He's 99% of them. He need to go bald like me and Smitty at this point. That's how long he's been out of college. And yet, they still got to say, Georgia, you get the same shares. as Mississippi State. Mississippi State, you get the same share as Bama.

Bama, you get the same share as Auburn. Auburn, you get the same shares, Florida. And it's only going to be but so long before everybody starts looking up and say, I'm not so sure about this. Because like we're talking about, although it is pegged on the ACC and the Big 12 right now, look around all the college sports. It's not just up. It's not just that.

There are other schools that are already cutting programs in the bigger, conferences, cutting athletic programs. And, hey, we can't afford it. Sorry. Hey, we love to have you, but we can't afford it no more. So either a new way of doing this thing has to be figured out, or this is a race to the bottom in which there will be the stratification between the haves and a have-nots will be so immense.

It'll be hard to enjoy college sports to any degree because, I mean, it's like baseball's got no salary cap. And yes, the Rockies may beat the Dodgers. every now and then, are the Rockies ever going to win back-to-back-to-back-to-back World Series? No. No. Are they ever going to go to back-to-back-to-back world? No.

The Dodgers, on the other hand, every time you look up, if there's a great player, they'll be wearing that Dodger blue sometime soon. Because, again, no salary cap, no parity. You know, American football, in terms of college football, going to start looking like the Premier League. That's fair. Well, this is going to be a very interesting thing to continue to track as money continues to go crazy and blow up. We'll keep tabs on media rights and everything.

We'll see how the Protects College Sports Act gets involved with all this as you guys are talking about the pooling of money going to be very interesting. Now, we're going to turn our attention from everything in the ACC to honing in on basketball because last week, the conference released the conference matchups for the 2627 basketball season. That's all well and good, but the question is, is the way they go about doing the scheduling make any lick of sense? I got to tell you, I don't think so, and I don't think these guys do either. I know KG has a suggestion for a different way of doing it. We'll ask him about that in just a second. Right after I tell you about Fanduel, man, the NBA playoffs are here and every possession matters. The NBA finals are going on.

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All right, fellas, last week, the ACC scheduling matchups for basketball came We don't know the dates or game times TV, none of that. It's just you know who you're going to be playing for all 18 conference games. As a reminder, this will be year two of this scheduling format since we've welcomed in SMU and Cal and Stanford. It's the third year of those, but the second year of reducing the 18 games. And the way the ACC has chosen to do it is you play two teams twice, a team that you play every year home and away and then a rotating home and away. there is one team you play never and then the other teams the other 14 teams you play seven road only seven home only doesn't seem to make too much sense kenton i know uh we always share this frustration

that our two teams the tar heels and wolf pack only play once a year now that it makes less than zero sense you were talking to brian and i before we started recording about just an idea you had about potentially a different way to schedule i'd love for you to you'd love for you to to hit us with it. Well, questions, gentlemen, how many teams are there in ACC in terms of basketball teams? 18. 18 is divisible by three, yay or nay?

Yay, because one plus eight equals nine and that's divided by three. There you go. So, you just do that math very simply, and you get six pods of three. You do the pods of three to keep teams together

to not break up robberies and beyond that, beyond not breaking up robberies and not having rivals not play each other twice a year, another thing you ensure is as much as, you know, when the Save College Sports Act comes in place, now everybody cares about the welfare of a student athlete. And it's about what's good for the student athletes. Well, let me ask you this.

Imagine if there was a world. That eye roll is incredible. And now, imagine if there was a world where we could guarantee that all of our teams do not have to travel more than two time zones for their twice a year. opponents. You could guarantee with Cal, Stanford, and SMU all in the same trifecta that every single year, they're not going to have multiple times a year or as many as they would otherwise,

where they have to go all the way across the country, all the way across the country, all the way across the country. They're going to have to do it because obviously a team that is up against the Pacific, two teams that are up against the Pacific Ocean are somehow in the Atlantic Coast Conference, great job on that guys. But now that they're here, you could at least say, yeah, you're going to have to do some travel, but we'll make it a little bit easier on you. Instead of flying out to Louisville, Kentucky for your two, you know, for your two home and away or whatever the case may be games, we're going to let you say, go to Dallas.

Go to Dallas instead. Go to Dallas, a little bit closer, a little bit more. Oh, you don't got to fly to Syracuse twice this year. No, no, no, no. That won't be necessary. Syracuse, you stick with Pitt and all that good stuff and, you know, how that battle. But again, this is just another one of those things where it's like the ACC has a layup

and they smoke the bunny every time. They smoke the bunny. It's like that super unathletic guy at Planet Fit or Lifetime Fitness or L.A. fitness or whatever. And every time you pass on the ball, you just know it's going to be the ugliest shot for him and you're about to hear the loudest brick you ever heard. That's what it feels like giving ACC layups these days. Man, I don't know, Brian, what you got? I grew up in Big Ten country from Indiana,

went to Indiana, the whole nine. But one of the things that I love as a kid was watching your Wolfpack go against your Tar Heels. And then like two or three nights later, you'd have like the, I know Vital would always try to pump this up for ESPN. Wake Forest would be like a tad under those teams. But if they were hosting the Tar Heels or the Wolf Pack or especially like Duke, Man, when they went to wait, they'd better bring them sneakers and tie them on tight.

They might have been number 23 and Duke might have been number two, but at half time, it was tied at 31. Why are we not? Like, there's got to be a way, especially because those four teams are all in the same state. The ACC is the weirdest. And the state of North Carolina is the most unique in the country because it's not as big as got California or Texas. It's a good size state. But to have four teams at a major conference. They all hate each other, three of which are all like eight miles apart.

And they're not all playing each other every year like multiple times is horrific. And the whole like one home and one way not playing somebody, did somebody hire an odd mathematician to see how bad they could screw this up? Was that the plan over there, Isaac? What do you think? Well, you remember the top breaker last year for football? They're clearly hiring somebody. That's going to sabotage this game.

But somehow, get me started on that. Somehow a 7 and 5 team ended up in the conference championship and lost to every team that was tied with them, but somehow they end up on top. No disrespect to do. They did what they had to do. But clearly, somebody ain't doing the math right. I can't argue with that. Okay. I was just thinking about your proposal.

So I put together six three team pods. Some of them are obvious to me. I went Cal Stanford SMU. That just makes sense. I went Duke Carolina State because that makes sense. Sorry, Wake Forest. I went the two Florida schools, FSU Miami, and I went Georgia Tech since they're the further south to those.

Okay. Going north, I went Syracuse, BC, and Pitt. But then it's a little weird because I did Louisville, Notre Dame, and Wake, and then Clemson, Virginia, Virginia Tech. I don't like the ones that feel a bit odd to me are those, the Louisville, Notre Dame Wake, Clemson, Virginia, Virginia, Tech. I feel like there's something better there,

but I don't know what it would be. There's a B.C. got to be together because of the Catholicism part and all that. Yeah, you thought it meant with Pitt. I think you really would have a very interesting little religious trio there. But either way you cut it or slice it, either way you cut it or slice it,

I think that this makes more sense than what we got now. I think this makes a lot more sense. 100%. Because, again, you're just creating, less travel. If you say you care about the players to any degree, if you say their education matters to any degree, everybody makes the argument of, well, you know, there's all these tutors and all of this is into that. If you want these folks to get actual education that they can go out into the world and use, that they can say, hey, I took skills from this university

that I can now not just say, I got a piece of paper, but I can mean. meaningfully do this job because I have this set of skills, you're going to create a situation where they're traveling less as often as you can. Again, certain realities of the conference, we can't ignore. Sure. It's just going to be that way. It's just going to be a tough road to hold if you're going to play Kyle. If you're going to play Stanford, when Stanford's on the road, when Cal is on the road, 90% of the time or whatever the case may be.

But you can mitigate that to some degree. Yes. And the ACC chooses, I don't really feel like it. And they ain't really my thing. I ain't really trying to do all that nonsense. And here's what's wild. Going back to Brian's point about did they hire some wacky mathematician, the three of us are just spitballing and coming up with better ideas than people

that have sat in a room together for hours trying to sort this thing out. You know what I'm? Like that what is just nonsensical to me. Like, and there's a bunch of like Kenton's model. I like, hey, if we're going to have 18 teams, maybe you play one team twice and the other 16, you play once. Like the fact that we have teams not playing each other is bonkers to me. Like last year, for example, in basketball, Miami's brand new coach is Jay Lucas. Where had he come from?

He was the assistant coach at Duke. Guess who didn't play each other in the regular season last year, Duke and Miami? That is so dumb. Or here's another one. The big 12, because we're going back, we're going up to 32 regular season games up from 31 in basketball. And so the big 12 is talking about going back to 20 conference games since you got more game volume now. Maybe we do that. And then you have more opportunities to play.

That would go right back to what we previously had, where you had two annual partners and then one road. Like there's just so many better ways to do this than what we got right now. Go ahead, Brian. I hate to say this, but unfortunately, we all know the real reason for the math. What's the number one answer in society? Who's making the decision? Is it conference commissioners, athletic directors? Oh, wait.

It's the advertisers, beginning and end of conversation. Do they have the best interest of the Kenton Gibbs of the world? No. I can't repeat what I'm thinking in my head is the reply. But it's blank no. I'll let you figure out the blank. Oh, shoot, no. Yeah.

That one. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a reason that Isaac Shade and I just did our best impression of Johnny Mansell here, because this is another way where at the end of the day, the people who are making the decisions are making it based on what's best for their bottom line instead of saying, hey, we know the stress that these young men and women are under.

We know what we have. created in the current state of college sports. But if we could give them just this little reprieve, just this minor small thing, just literally, when you think about the difference between the setups that we pitch and what they got, you're looking at max a two-game difference?

Two games. You're so damn greedy. You can't give up two games to say, you know what? Yeah, it would make sense to keep those teams proxymically close together. You know what? That is a rivalry,

and we shouldn't have to bring back. the big four tournament in order to have all these teams play each other twice a year. And it's, and we're just talking the big money sports. We're talking football. We're talking men's basketball. Let's not forget all the other gajillion sports that are out there. Like I know, just speaking for the school I cover, Carolina has 28 varsity athletic sports.

We're talking about two of those. And I feel like it's even more difficult for some of those on down the list because the traveling is sexy. You're not going on charter buses and private planes. You know, so it's like good grief. By the way, I just want to throw this in. Why are teams like field hockey in different lower sports, no offense, that don't make money, traveling to Cal? If you're North Carolina, if you're North Carolina state, you can do those sports more locally.

If you want to do football, that way, it's still goofy. But there's no profit in it. And those girls and those guys in those Olympic sports, I doubt they want to be flying to the area and vice versa. Just saying. But I mean, I reference on how silly some of this is, the ACC baseball tournament took place in the Durham Bulls Athletic Park, I believe, or wasn't in Charlotte? It was in one of those two. It was in Charlotte this year. Okay, it was in Charlotte. And they had Cal and

Stanford had to fly to Charlotte to play each other in the ACC tournament. After having, I think they played each other in the final regular season series as well. So I, if I remember correctly, they had just. just played back out in California. And then said, you know what, 7,000 miles. Here you go. Take that. You know what? You've been loyal. Here's two more for you. Go ahead and take that and cross the country. Foolishness. It's just foolishness.

That's talking about a waste of revenue too. What Kenton's talking about is a waste of revenue. Well, speaking of ACC baseball, things did not go well over the weekend for our wonderful conference. Eight of our nine teams are sitting at home. and meanwhile, the SEC is just doing what the SEC does. Good grief. We'll look at that. We'll try to make some sense of it.

Coming up to wrap the show in just a second. All right, fellows, we had the nation's number two overall team, Georgia Tech. We had number five in North Carolina. We had number 10 in Florida State. We had six other teams that were part of the NCAA Division I baseball tournament. And only one is left. That's the North Carolina Tar Heels. those that Georgia Tech team I just mentioned lose in Atlanta to Oklahoma what paint because of the dumb NCAA baseball rules they got walked off on their home field on Monday that's gross Florida State loses on Monday as well who gross bad to St. Johns who's one of the worst teams in the tournament have the lowest college world series odds as we're talking fellas eight of the nine teams are gone what like is this just an anomaly because usually things are

pretty good here in ACC baseball lane. We got a bunch of team of the supers. Like, what's happening here? For Florida State, I didn't follow them like ardently, but they were one of the best home teams in college baseball. Then they lost to St. Johns in their own backyard. Anybody want to explain that to me? First year head coach.

That might have something to do with it. Same with Georgia Tech. Well, Florida State's got an elite baseball coach. Oh, yeah. They did lose their best player in the middle of the season that kills you. I get it. But they gave up a four spot in the last game in like inning four or five. You know, I just can't give a four-run inning to anybody and expect things to go well.

They just laid an egg straight up. Your team laid an egg, my team. You can't give up a four-run inning? We allowed 10 in the first two. Oh, my God. That was to Auburn, right? Am I remember that correctly? Yeah, I believe so.

That game was wild, man. So many runs. And they fought back. They fought, but they surely did, but it was just too little too late, you know. We learned a lesson about NC State that we learned a thousand times and we got that old SpongeBob meme. How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man?

Because NC State's future, their destiny, right in front of them, right in their hands, right? Auburn loses to Milwaukee. All you got to do is beat UCF. You go on to play the Milwaukee Panthers. By the way, how many of you, if I would have asked you, what's the team name for Milwaukee's baseball team, would have said anything other than the Brewers? Right.

No, I wouldn't say anything different. And so all you had to do was go ahead, beat UCF, and get you a win against the Milwaukee Panthers. You'll be on your merry little way. And what did they say? I'm pissed down my leg. It's very big. This is a very big moment.

I know this is Elliot Avon Swine's on, but this is a very big moment. So, you know, our teams individually, Smitty, they were terrible. But ACC fans, please, please, please, Georgia Tech fans, I know Jarvis ain't here. Please, please, please, be aware. Sometimes baseball works like this. It does.

Sometimes you get just an oddity, and this was one of the oddest years in terms of. I believe the top overall seed, UCLA either went down or they had to fight for the other. Did they go down? Did they go? No. So seven of the 16 national seeds are gone, including UCLA and Georgia Tech. In fact, UCLA needed a like miracle ninth inning walkoff in game two or they would have become the first ever number one overall seed to lose each of their first two games.

Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, I rest my case. Sometimes it just happens like that. This is nasty business. This is nasty benefit. But ACC baseball, you know, I mean, our only hope right now is the Diamond Hills. I will not be rooting for them. But I understand. I get that.

But they're the ACC's only hope. The rest of you can. I will personally refrain. I'll root for the asteroid. I'll root for whoever they're playing. But, you know, there are only hope. Runners up in the conference. Isaac, tell your boys to pick us.

up because we're looking sad right now, man. I know. Yeah, no, legit. And Ken, I do got to say, like, rivalry or not, like, what a career for Elliot Avent, like, unreal stuff. Like you, like, and I love hearing, I just love hearing coaches share. Like our Carolina's coach, Scott Forbes, just had some really nice words of like, like, just the coaching fraternity.

You see how much it matters to them beyond rivalries. And, man, I just, I hated. to see obviously like it's that weird thing of like as a similar to what you're saying as a tar heel you never want to see nc stay win anything right but you root for people right like that's why we're in this that's why we do this and i wanted better for him so i just i hated it to end that way just very truthfully yeah it was a it was a tough tough way to go out but i'm going to tell you this the sum will rise again the acc will be back we will have another crack at this thing we just put on a terrible show A terrible show.

One of the worst in years for the ACC. It's rare that you get to the second weekend of this tournament. And everybody's like, wait, no ACC is left but one team. This is it. So, you know, this ain't the norm. It's just like a few years ago where we did terrible in the NCAA tournament basketball. And everybody said, oh, they're done.

It's over. And then the next year we had like, what, half of the elite eight almost? Yeah. Like, NC state team that had to win five games in five days to get there, ended up making a final board. That's what the ACC does. That's right. When the odds are against us, when nobody believes with this all, it's over,

that an ACC's done, they find a way to do their best impression of the undertaker, just leaning up. We are right. We're going to make it. We're going to win us in ball games. So we'll see if the Tar Heels can hold it down for the conference, despite Kenton and the rest of the Wolfpack not cheering for him. the way, I need to amend something. I was thinking about it. I think I said Link Jarrett is,

it's his first year at Florida. It's like his fourth year at Florida State. I was way off on that. But to confirm something, boys, going back, Cal and Stanford, Thursday, May 14th, Friday, May 15th, Saturday, May 16th at Cal. So they played Thursday, Friday, Saturday at Cal. That next Tuesday, three days later, they played in Charlotte. That's absurd. What are we doing? Anyways. We'll see how things go. The baseball world series is crazy right now. Literally, either Little Rock or Troy is going to the World Series

because they're playing each other in a Super Regional. I love that for those guys. That's a cool story. I mean, it's great. It's so cool. Did y'all see? And then the winner of that game will play the winner of West Virginia and Cal Poly. And so I don't know.

Anyway, if you all haven't seen the video of the good people of Morgantown singing country roads after knocking off Kentucky on Monday, man, that's a special video. You need to go find it on social media. All right. So, Super Regional start tomorrow Friday as you're watching or listening to this on Thursday. That'll be great. Great to be together today on the ACC squad show for Brian Smith, for Kenton Gibbs. I'm Isaac Shade. Great to be together.

We'll talk again soon, but until then. Peace.