Locked On ACC - Daily College Football & Basketball Podcast - COLLAPSE: Duke's HISTORIC Meltdown Against Houston | Can Jon Scheyer RECOVER From This DISASTER?

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

Duke's shocking collapse against Houston in the NCAA Final Four has left fans and analysts buzzing. Did the Blue Devils falter under pressure, or did Houston's resilience shine through? This episode d...ives into the heart of college basketball, examining Duke's performance and the controversial foul call on Cooper Flag that had everyone talking. Hosts Alex Dono and Kenton Gibbs dissect the game, highlighting key figures like John Shire and Kelvin Sampson, while also exploring the broader implications for the ACC in both basketball and football. With insights into the league's perception and performance, this discussion is a must-listen for sports enthusiasts. Tune in for an engaging analysis of Duke's unexpected defeat and the ACC's turbulent year.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Turbo TaxReady for stress-free taxes and the most money back, guaranteed? Head over to TurboTax.com today and get matched with your Expert. Only available with TurboTax Live Full Service. Real-time updates only in the iOS mobile app. See guarantee details at TurboTax.com/guarantees. Supply HouseJoin the Trade Master program today at SupplyHouse.com/TM and start ordering plumbing, HVAC, and electrical supplies with just a few clicks. Plus, use promo code SH5 for 5% off your first order. That’s SupplyHouse.com!Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year. GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelRight now, new customers can get TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in BONUS BETS when your first FIVE DOLLAR BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Would you call that an epic Houston comeback or a catastrophic Duke collapse? Yes. You are locked on ACC, your daily podcast on the Atlantic Coast Conference. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. And no matter how you felt about that outcome, it's a reminder of how magnificent March Madness and the NCAA tournament can be because we didn't have that fit. finish on our bingo cards. Thank you so much to the everydayers for making LockdowneACC, your first listen and your
Starting point is 00:00:42 first watch today. We're available free wherever you get your podcast. We're free on YouTube. We're part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Today's episode is brought to you by TurboTax, ready for stress-free taxes and the most money back guaranteed. Head over to turbotax.com today and get matched with your expert. He is Kenton Gibbs from Lockdown Wolfpack.
Starting point is 00:01:02 I am Alex Dono from Lockdown Canes. on this loaded episode. We'll give you our year in review, academic year 24, 25 in the ACC, because there was a lot of disappointment on the football fields, on the hardwood. We thought the Blue Devils were going to carry us at least through Monday night. We have to ask the question, not blaming the entire outcome on this, but was that really a foul on Cooper Flag? We got to talk about that. But first and foremost, KG, is we talk about how, you know, the final minutes of that collapse unfolded. Yeah, I'm going to call it a collapse, but are you going to remember it more as that, as Duke blowing that lead, or as Houston pulling off maybe the most
Starting point is 00:01:47 incredible college basketball comeback I've ever watched live? Dono, I don't know how you don't consider this a collapse. I don't know how anybody would say this is more of a comeback than a collapse. We came into this game saying irresistible force, meat and movable object. What was the irresistible force? The number one offense in the nation, right of wrong, Donna. Right. The number one offense in the nation must have of how many field goals
Starting point is 00:02:15 in the last 10 and a half minutes of the game? More than one. Congratulations. If you are listening to this show, we have more host on the show locked on ACC than Duke had field goals in the last 10 and a half minutes of game play against Houston. There is nothing short of calling this a collapse.
Starting point is 00:02:37 There is nothing. I very genuinely ask myself from a lot of standpoint. How was Duke so mentally weak at so many moments? It really came in my watch. How many rebounds does a 7-2 guy need to get in a game like, you're the biggest guy on the court? Congratulations, if you're watching Lockheaval. on ACC right now, you have the same amount of rebounds as Kevin Malawat-Had in the final
Starting point is 00:03:07 four. Cooper Flagg, you're the number one pick. People are asking if he's generational. And when I said Cooper Flagg is a great player, he's going to be a number one pick, he's going to do all the things in the NBA, he's going to do very good things, but he's not generational. People jump down my throat, like I said, something about the young man's mama. Lo and behold, lo and behold, Mr. Generational, when it was time to do what generational players do, couldn't get it done. If you get to, and I'm going to throw it to you after this one, because I really could go on a diatribe about this all day.
Starting point is 00:03:40 But I need you to think about something for a second. If I told you there was a generational player, and I told you that generational player is going up against guys that, with all due respect to you, and they got some talent over there. Those guys, most of those guys, summer league guys, probably going to go overseas. We can agree to that.
Starting point is 00:03:58 Man for man, talent-wise, Duke is ahead of it. If I tell you, generational is going against guys that are going to be playing in La Liga El Balancacesto in a year. If I tell you, Mr. Generational is going up against guys that are going to be playing for the Beijing sharks, the Guangdong Tigers next year, and all you need from Mr. Generational is two buckets to put the game away. And mind you, not two buckets down to stretch down. two buckets over the last 10 and a half minutes of a game. And that's all you got to do to get it done and you can't get the... Again, this is with all due respect to do.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Hell of a season. Final four, if your floor, the floor with John Shire right now, Elite 8, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. In three years out the head coach, Final 4, Elite 8, knocked out by a team that went to the final four, because, of course, every team in Elite 8 does. And then another Final 4. I'm not disparaging him. I'm not disparaging these players.
Starting point is 00:05:01 But I'm saying as a collective in this here game, meltdown, collapse, forward. And that's the thing. It's like in, you know, someday John Shire may win a championship as a head coach. He may win multiple championships. But Kenton, until that happens, he's going to be remembered more for this failure than Coach K is remembered for his successes at Duke. And I mean that because this dude, listen, you play the games for. for a reason. NCAA tournament's a one-off scenario. I mean, if Duke in Houston played an old
Starting point is 00:05:33 best to seven, like in the NBA, you're probably getting a different outcome over the course of a series. So it's a lot more random and it's a lot more frantic. But this Duke team, and I feel like we're going to have to give a few Mayaculpus because we got some egg on our faces with the way, you know, we were all breaking, breaking this down through last week. But, um, Kenton, we talked about it throughout their tournament run and their regular season run. Like, this. Duke team wasn't just statistically good. They were historically statistically good. They were breaking records that hadn't been set in the Ken Palm era that goes back to 1997. Margins of victory in the tournament. I mean, you saw what they did
Starting point is 00:06:13 to Alabama in the elite eight. They completely negated the highest scoring offense in the country. They held them to 65 points. Now, I guess you could say holding Houston to 70, you probably thought would have been more than enough to win the basketball game, but certainly wasn't enough what they did defensively. And so, yeah, this is honestly something, Kenton. And I'm not saying he isn't a great coach and won't continue to be. But this definitely makes you scratch your head at John Shire because he just did less with more than, you know, the great coach Kay did during his Duke tenure. I couldn't agree more. I could not agree more. Again, this is a historically great team that went up against Houston. And again, for them to be
Starting point is 00:06:56 be in certain areas that they were is embarrassing. You're the biggest team in the nation, literally, the biggest, the tallest, you've got the most length of the nation. Well, obviously, Donald, that spells out winning the rebound battle, right? No. Every time, right? They lost it by 11. Well, you've got the number one pick.
Starting point is 00:07:20 It's time. And this is one thing that I tell people all the time. Sometimes in basketball, you need a guy that you can just roll the ball out to and go get you a bucket. And if you don't believe that offense is effective, ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you former Wolfpack coach Mark Godfrey. If you watch how he got NC State teams to the tournament, every single year we had a guy that was either top, either the leader or top three to four in the ACC and scored. It went from Trevor Lacey to T.J. Warren to Cap Barber. And those teams were consistently in the tournament despite not having a semblance of like an offensive system. It was literally like get the ball at our best guy, everybody else get out the way, play good defense, get out in transition.
Starting point is 00:08:06 That was the gameplay that got them there. You have Cooper Flagg, the guy, the number one pick in the NBA draft because, oh, he can get your buck in all these different ways down. When he's going downhill, he puts your own skates. You don't know what he's going to do. You can stop and pop. You can hit it from deep. He can ball handle and make good decision. Again, this was a, and it really is unfortunate because I don't want this one game to be a referendum of John Shire's coaching career so far.
Starting point is 00:08:41 Because, again, therefore with John Shire is elite eight. If that was Miami's fortune, they would build you a statue. They'd build you a statue. If over three years. We basically built Jim Larenega. We basically built him a statue for getting a team to the final four and getting blown out by Yukon. NC State, listen, if your floor is elite eight,
Starting point is 00:09:04 we'll build you a statue. We will. We will. Most teams in the country will do that. So I don't want this to be that type of deal. But what I do want to point out here is this team was abundantly talented, and yet it just seemed like, and I know that everybody says the, oh,
Starting point is 00:09:22 this team just wanted more. If you watched that game, Houston wanted it more. When Duke got tight and tentative, Houston were playing like junkyard dogs. Every loose ball, I got to have it and I need it. Every single time that ball came off the rim, you saw Houston attacking that ball like a team in terms of rebound. They attacked it like a team.
Starting point is 00:09:47 And down the stretch, I believe they got 12 of the last 14 rebounds or something along those lines. that is that's something that you can't coach you can't talent you can't that's under the third rip and what was under the third rib your heart the thing that pushes all that blood around Houston had gobs of it more than Duke and it's so it's so frustrating to see that because again I'm not one of those guys that has any problem or smoke with Duke I was like hey man let somebody for the ACC get it done you know and then ain't the dirty football so it's all right with me and for them
Starting point is 00:10:21 to let down like this in this moment, man. It's really disappointing. And again, I believe that as story as John Shire's crew will be, I believe this is the moment that he'll always go back to a remember because, you know, all of us maniacs that compete at a high level, we all, the wins don't really stick with us.
Starting point is 00:10:38 The losses do, right? First two city championships in the state in the history of the city of Detroit and term to Division I. And yet I still remember losing the Lake Warrior my sophomore year. That's what sticks with me, right? So I'm sure that that's what's going to stick with John Shire here. But again, this Duke team, you know, it's a disappointing end, but they'll be back.
Starting point is 00:11:00 Cooper Flagg won't be back. Conkney will probably be back. Kenman Malawas won't be back. But this Duke team will probably be back. Well, coming up next, a question and a realization, right? The question is, was that really a foul on Cooper Flagg down the stretch? And the realization, Kenton, the warning signs, they were in front of. of us and you, me, and a lot of others chose to ignore them.
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Starting point is 00:12:24 Thank you for making Lockdown ACC, your first listen and your first watch today. Make sure for your next listen, you check out our other shows. Kenton Gibbs and Grayson Boone host Locked on Wolfpack talking everything. Will Wade and NC State, Spring Football. I host Locked on Keynes talking everything, Jay Lucas and Mario Cristobal and all things going on spring football right now in Miami. So just some of the numbers down the stretch there, Kenton, you outlined a couple of these. So for Houston, a 9-0 run in the final 30-7. seconds. It takes two to tango, right? That means great execution by Houston. It also means
Starting point is 00:13:03 epic collapse by Duke. Houston was trailing by six in the final minute and 14 of the game. That's not supposed to be a recipe to win when you're trailing six points that late. Duke was up 14 points at the 817 mark. How do you blow that game? You mention it. How do you blow it? Because you make just one field goal over the final 10 and a half minutes of action. So, okay, why I'm going to go back to saying no disrespect to Houston, by the way. I hope they go on to win the championship. And depending on when you're listening to this, the championship game might already be over. We'll know if it's Florida or Houston. But I got nothing but respect to Kelvin Samson. Tremendous job, absolutely tenacious that team down the stretch. But again, Kenton, why I feel like
Starting point is 00:13:48 that was much more of a collapse on Duke than it was of a comeback on Houston. The lack of poise shown by Duke, where every inbound. every possession was frantic, goosebumps, sweating, costly, careless turnovers, careless fouls. And it's amazing that it took us until the final four to actually see it. But really, for the first time all season in the final, let's say the final 10 and a half minutes of that basketball game, Duke looked like a freshman-laden team. That hadn't looked that way. And so, yeah, you know, we had this conversation last week with Isaac Shade of locked on college basketball, with J.J. Jackson of locked on Blue Devils, with Jackson Holzer and the others on the squad. Like, you know, is there any chance that the youth and inexperience and lack of poise could hurt Duke saw zero signs of that until Houston forced that out of them down the stretch of that basketball game? The warning signs were there. We ignored them. But that's the thing, Donald. I don't think the warning signs were.
Starting point is 00:14:54 it. We've seen Duke. Now, don't get me wrong. Have we seen Duke in a ton of close games this year, not particularly. However, however, in the close games when they did have to come back, and the close games where they did have to finish it out in the ways that they should, later in the season, they got better at it. They won games in overtime. Teams came back and pushed them and they just said, oh, that's your best punch. You know, they hit them with the Thanos, all this for a drop of blood, good for you. But in this game in particular, this is why I say this is a collapse. Because to me, it's something that I tell my family members, okay, I'll never get mad at you for being who you are. I'll never get mad at you. If I know
Starting point is 00:15:34 that's who you are, if I know yourself, I'm not going to count on you to help me move. If I know you're stingy, I know I'm not going to come on you to bring food to the family gathering. If I know you're bad with money, I'm not going to make you the executor of my will and say, hey, because you've shown me, you cannot do this at a high way. You cannot do this at a high level. At no point in time, past about December, because November, December, yeah, that Duke team looked like a freshman team a little bit, but you get that out of 18-year-olds who were slow dancing at prom a few months before. Now they're playing in Madison Square Guard, not are playing in these tournaments and all that. Sure. But towards the end of this regular season and through
Starting point is 00:16:16 the ACC tournament, they showed poised, they showed composure, they showed the ability to handle when things got tight. They showed the ability to win it without Cooper flag, without Mr. Everything and everybody at the end of the season. So to that end, they had not shown this type of leakage to where it was like, hey, when times get tough, you got to know Duke is going to wilt like a flower out of water, baby.
Starting point is 00:16:44 This thing is going down. It's not, you're not going to see anything like this. And again, like you said, credit to Houston, because that is the type of stuff that the poem Invictus was written about because their head was bloody, but it truly was unbowed in this game lake.
Starting point is 00:17:00 They truly kept saying, you know what? Down double digits? It don't matter. Chop wood, carry one. You know what? Down six with an and a half? Chop wood, carry water.
Starting point is 00:17:09 And because they kept doing that and because Duke acted uncharacteristically out of character or out of composure and out of pocket and out of themselves, because they did that, they opened the window. Hit the front end of your one-on-ones.
Starting point is 00:17:25 You'll be okay. That, yeah. You'll be okay. Which leads me into my next point. So that miss free throw, the one-and-one by Tyrese Proctor, led to a very controversial call on Cooper Flag going over the back on Joanne Roberts. Now, here's the thing. Like, anybody who watched that game impartially, you can't go back and say,
Starting point is 00:17:51 referee screwed us over. You can't. I understand that if you're part of the Duke Blue Devils Nation, you're watching us from Durham right now, you've been thinking about that call for the last 48 hours. And you've been thinking, man, if that, I thought it was tickey tack, Kenton. I thought it was a tickey tack foul. Like maybe by the letter you could say he was holding his arm flag. But I don't think that should ever be called in that situation.
Starting point is 00:18:15 I don't think there was enough contact. There was not enough in that foul. So I get it. If you're a Duke fan, despite doing everything else wrong leading up to that moment, and the moments after it, despite doing everything else wrong, you're still saying, had that one call not gone against us, we probably escape and were playing again on Monday night. Was that a foul in your eyes?
Starting point is 00:18:35 No, it wasn't a foul of my eyes. It wasn't a foul in my eyes. And even I don't wear blue devil blue glasses. And I don't think that was a foul. And I'm not a guy that's like, hey, don't call it in the last few seconds. No, no. I said call it consistently all game. you know and this was a very physical game this was a very physical game both teams were allowed to kind of muck it up get physical and all that so i don't like all of a sudden calling a tight whistle at the end of a very physical game i don't like that but with that being said and this is the part where it's it's truly unfortunate because you never want the officials to even play in in that major of a way so i i really do feel for due in that in that regard but now a lot like how we were screaming at
Starting point is 00:19:22 teams win your damn games, score a damn field goal. Put the ball in the basket. Get your 7-2 center to get a rebound. Like don't tell me about that one call. And again, I am not going to disagree with you that that call was massive in the moment that it happened and I think that call was incorrect. I'm not going to argue either one of those things because those are things that I believe to be true. Honestly and truly. But with that in mind, again, it's, it's much more of a strata broken Campbell's back type of thing instead of a, hey, this is the moment that everything went downhill. No, everything went downhill when they took their foot off the gas. You got a 12, get a 20-pointed. Don't get passive and say, all right, we're up. Let's just kind of coast.
Starting point is 00:20:14 They kill the clock and we'll be all right. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know about you, Donna. I don't know how many fights you've been in in your life. But one thing that I was always taught, if they get to the point of fist or cuff, you have got to absolutely make sure, even if you don't win the fight, make sure they never, ever want to come back again.
Starting point is 00:20:34 You give it everything you got to. You got nothing left to give. Even if you're whipping the wheels off. Until somebody pull you off and say, all right, stop, that's enough. You got to prove your point. Duke did not prove their point and make that statement,
Starting point is 00:20:48 and they left enough window and breathing room for Houston to get up and say, I didn't hear no bell, and this is what you did. Exactly. And that's what Kelvin Sampson was preaching in their final timeout. Like, guys, it's not over until it's over. We need to fight, scratch, and claw until this game is done. And they got the better of them. Well, okay, coming up next, I wonder how this collapse and finished by Duke factors in.
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Starting point is 00:22:20 that's monarchmoney.com code locked on college for half off your first year. Thank you so much for making locked on ACC your first listen and your first watch today. So, Kenton, this can be on the field, off the field, off the court, on the court. I know we still got ACC baseball going on and some other sports. So it's not like the academic year is finished. But with the big two, football and basketball, coming to a close for the conference, on or off the field, what's going to be your biggest memory, good and bad? Like what is the storyline, the game, the player that leaves the biggest impression on you in this year that was?
Starting point is 00:23:02 Oh, man, that's an excellent question. That really is an excellent question. If I'm thinking of the ACC as a whole and kind of what my impression of 24, 25 would be, it's more of an overarching theme than a singular moment for player. And that is Rodney Dangerfield, the disrespect. The disrespect. Yeah, I like that. You know, because people talk about the ACC,
Starting point is 00:23:29 like we are the dirt under their shoe in terms of football and basketball. Well, just a quick question now. The ACC had a team in the final four, correct? Yes. Did the Big Ten? Nope. Hmm. Okay.
Starting point is 00:23:45 Well, you know what? Nobody cares about basketball. Let's talk about football for a second, though. Let's talk about football, right? Oh, and football. SMU and Clemson got knocked out first round, you know, and those old SEC teams, they must have really, all the SEC teams must have won a game, right?
Starting point is 00:24:04 Right, of course they all did. No, Texas was the only one. Texas was it. Texas was the only one. Every other team in the SEC was knocked out either first round or first game they played, which, by the way, the biggest blowout of the first round, not what I thought or what I watched or what might have been was Penn State over SMU by 28, but Tennessee only lost by three less points to Ohio State.
Starting point is 00:24:36 And yet, you know, nobody said, well, the SEC might not have deserved to be here. Georgia lost as well. Nobody said, oh, the SEC doesn't deserve to be here. So I think the overarching theme for me is the constant disrespect. The ACC once again, oh, you're terrible at basketball. You had a down year and nobody's good. And yet we're sitting here lamenting a team collapsing because they finished as one of the last four teams in the nation. Oh, the ACC had a down year.
Starting point is 00:25:07 We had two teams in the college football playoff, which every power four cannot say. That's just a fact. As much as your mark and Drake told what have you believe that the Big 12 is strong and rolling, other than Arizona State. Who from the Big 12 got in? That's it. Oh, okay. So I think the ACC is doing better than people believe,
Starting point is 00:25:29 but the disrespect is what sticks with me from this year. Because, again, what more can these guys do than win their ball games? What more can these guys do than show up for the conference? And again, when every other conference gets a team, when it's Alabama and everybody else, the SEC is man. Oh, man, SEC, there are goats again. When it's Duke and everybody else in ACC is mad. It's, oh, my God, what a terrible conference.
Starting point is 00:25:52 I mean, Duke's a separate thing, but the rest of you, you know, so that's what I would. You're 100% right, and mine is very similar to yours. This is like a branch off of the tree that you just planted, okay? For me, what has stood out the most about this year in review in the ACC is turbulence, like general turbulence. And I'm saying this as someone in Kenton and I both do this and everybody who I think is a part of, like, all the ACC channels, because we're,
Starting point is 00:26:19 we come together every week for the squad. And it's like, you know, of course, you know, the material we discuss on the show every single day, you know, Kenton and I love actual games, right? So we like to talk about what's going on on the court and on the field. But, I mean, Kent, every single day, I'm Googling, I'm AI overviews, I'm reading news articles. What are people saying about the Atlantic Coast Conference? And like the noticeable trend for the last year has been, if you Google or you ask, Siri or whoever, what's going on in the ACC, a lot of the stories have to do with, oh, they're getting sued by Florida State and Clemson.
Starting point is 00:26:58 They've settled the lawsuits, but the conference might break up in a couple years, right? Or the ACC's underperforming. They only got three teams in and how's Jim Phillips going to navigate the uncertain future of the conference? And, you know, I don't know how quickly we'll be able to put this stuff behind us, because again, like the settlements with Florida State and Clemson just seem kind of like a band-aid over a gash and that you're not really, you didn't really stop the bleeding. You just maybe swept it under the rug for a little bit. But I just feel turbulence and it's a little bit unfair because like on the plus side, you know, SMU just had really an unprecedented first year in a power conference, right? I mean, to do, they didn't quite get to the tournament in basketball, but they were able to do it in football, which probably even more impressive, given the jump up in competition. They had a great year. You know, the ACC also welcomed in Cal and Stanford, which was kind of a mixed bag. You know, Clemson had a pretty impressive turnaround to make it to the college football playoff after a lot of people were writing them off for dead in football midway through the season. You know, I know the bitter taste in our mouths of what just happened to Duke in a negative sense.
Starting point is 00:28:13 doesn't completely outweigh the fact that the Blue Devils were the talk of college basketball for the past year. So unfortunately, to me, all of the turbulence, I think it distracts so much from the good things that happened this year. Oh, man. You know what? And that's excellent. That's excellently put. That's why you are the Don Dada Alex Donnell, because that is a- Can I throw in one more, one more self-serving point? I mean, the ACC had the guy who's about to be the number one over on draft pick yeah putting on a show all season long in cam ward and and that unfortunately that that also gets uh taken away by the turbulence and and and you know what that is so so spot on because imagine if you will you had the best meal that you ever had in your life on a plane you
Starting point is 00:29:00 fly first class but the entire ride is bumping the entire ride you're hitting choppy air and you're sitting up there connected to the Wi-Fi sending texts all your family I love you guys just in case that's what you're going to take away from it even though like oh man the quail was excellent it was so good right even though oh man they had french toast when we landed it was you're not going to remember that because again you're going to remember the turbulence from that ride which is if i ever if i ever fly first class i hope they do serve quail because that that sounds like something you'd eat on first class but you get my point you get about there are beautiful things to be seen here, right? And here's the really sneaky part about what you just said, Donna.
Starting point is 00:29:46 You talk about the number one draft pick being a guy that played in the ACC. I think because of the public perception of the ACC, there will be multiple steals in the draft from the ACC that are not supposed to be steals. I believe there are going to be many guys that we look at like, how the hell did we overthink that? Like the guy that Cam Ward threw the most balls too this year, or Jacob Restrepo. All of a sudden, everybody forgets the tape because he runs a little slower than they thought. Omari on Hept, people are like, oh, he's good, but he's not this guy, that guy. I am telling you this, as an NC State alone, I am, he is one of those players that watching
Starting point is 00:30:26 him run the ball made me glad to be retired. I said, you know what? Hey, I'm all right. I'm all right sitting here on the couch, just talking about these things, because that kid is different. And yet, you know, we still get that treatment of, oh, man, that's just little brother of a conference right there in terms of the combine. We had the third most players go and be invited. We didn't have to have a conference-wide pro day because teams wanted to see our individual players at their individual schools. And yet, you know, it's still being treated as if Donovan Azaraku wasn't past rushing like his hair was on top.
Starting point is 00:31:04 And yet it's still being treated as if we were not delighted to see some of the best players in college basketball this year because of, oh, well, only three players, only three teams made it. And, oh, Clemson got knocked out by Will Wade first round. So, oh, what a terrible team. What a terrible year. Knock that in there, I noticed. Yeah. Oh, Louisville, they got knocked off first round, too. What a terrible year, even though that team beat the former national champion.
Starting point is 00:31:34 team that's playing in the National Championship this year, you can't get them all they can handle. You can't get them all again. So, you know, it's just a, it's just a, like you said, beauty all around, but that turbulence in the ride, that's what everybody was. You guys let us know.
Starting point is 00:31:50 How are you going to remember this year so far in the ACC football and basketball? Huge shout out to Kenton Gibbs, Locked on Wolfpack. I am Alex Dono from Locked on Cains. We'll talk to you guys again tomorrow on another episode of Lockdown ACC. We are part of the Awesome, Lockdown Podcast Network.
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