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Starting point is 00:00:32 We're part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Today's episode is brought to you by Game Time. Download the GameTime app, create an account, and use code Locked-on College for $20 off your first purchase. On this episode of Locked on ACC, we'll talk about Super League proposals, Project Rudy, why it's very unlikely to happen. I already see Kenton rolling his eyes. We'll talk about the ACC players of the week. Biggest remaining games on the ACC schedule. And Kenton, these games are going to mean a little extra something because, I'll be honest, I didn't know until earlier today that power four conferences are not guaranteed to get their champion in. I had thought heading into this new frontier we're in of the 12 team playoff that it was automatic that, you know, whoever wins the SEC Big 10, ACC big 12 that the conference winners are automatically in. I didn't know tell today, Kenton, that that wasn't actually the case.

Starting point is 00:01:35 Yeah, I mean, we all were told and believed that it was power four plus the highest remaining. Lo and behold, it's just highest remaining to start off with, and we assumed it would be the power four. However, I do want to say this. There is not a world this year. I'm not going to say there's not a world, period, where one of the ACC teams is not one of the best 12 in America. because that's possible. Same way it's possible at SEC, same way as possible for the Big Ten, same way as possible for the Pac-12, or not Pac-12, Big 12, R-LP Pac-12, we hardly knew Ye to, you know, not have one of the best, or, yes,

Starting point is 00:02:14 one of the best 12 teams in the nation is possible. But this ain't the year. This ain't the year. Every single team that you point out in the ACC and say they have this defect, they have that defect, you can point in a team in one of the two big dog conferences in terms of the ACC or the SEC and the Big Ten in the same vein. So, you know, I think that it's it's misguided, foolhardy and just down right stupid to say, oh, the ACC doesn't have one of the best 12 teams in the nation. Because, again, if they're not, who is?

Starting point is 00:02:49 Who is? Right. If that's your case, then you're also arguing that one conference not only has a concentration of the best 12 teams in the nation or six of the best 12 whatever occasion may be, you're also arguing that it's okay to lose one-fourth of your games because you're in a tough conference, which I think is just done right moron.

Starting point is 00:03:11 So here's how the scenario hypothetically could play out. Saturday Blitz wrote an article about this saying, hey, there's this belief that the ACC and Big 12 champion have an automatic bid to the playoff, but that's not true. And I verified this. conference champion actually gets an automatic qualifying bid. It's actually the five highest ranked conference champions. And that's where the danger lies. They say, if say, Army and Boise State win out or Tulane wins out with a victory over Army, we could be set up for an interesting

Starting point is 00:03:45 final pull to determine what five teams will get bids to the playoff, not just the four first round buys, but also the chance to get to the playoff altogether. And Kenton, I won't run through the Big 12 scenario because this is locked on ACC. But here's what could happen in the ACC. Basically, this would involve Clemson, you know, playing a spoiler, but also picking up another loss before they get to the ACC championship. They say, while Miami is set up well in the rankings, both SMU and Clemson are in volatile places heading down the stretch if they were to lose one.

Starting point is 00:04:23 Clemson, 7 and 1 in the ACC, is already finished with conference plays. but the Tigers still play South Carolina to close out the season. Let's say by some miracle, Clemson gets to the ACC championship game, which could happen with one Miami loss or two SMU losses or a crazy scenario involving Louisville and Virginia swapping places and conference standings along with an SMU loss to Virginia and the Tigers win in Charlotte, they say, but the week before they lose to South Carolina. Clemson would then be sitting at 10 and 3, likely well behind an Army and Boise State in the college football playoff rankings. Would a win over Miami or SMU be enough to bolster the Tigers into one of those top five conference championship spots with Army Tulane and Boise State looming?

Starting point is 00:05:10 Only time would tell. Now, to answer that question, Kenton, I would like to think that even if, you know, Clemson were to lose to South Carolina, if they were then to beat, you know, an 11-1 SMU team in the conference championship game and be crowned ACCC champions, I would think that would be good enough to get into the playoff. Here's my thing. Even if Clemson is deemed not good enough because they lose to South Carolina or whatever the case may be, last time I checked, there isn't a mandate for your conference champion

Starting point is 00:05:40 to get in. If there's no mandate for your conference champion to get in, in what world do you argue that both Miami and SMU are that bad, are not good enough, have not earned it. Even if you were to say, hey, Clemson just has too many losses and too many bad spaces, they've shown us who they are against top teams time and time again. What is the SMU showing you? What, a three point loss? Now, wait a minute, Donald.

Starting point is 00:06:04 Hold on. I feel like I'm having the reverse of what used to happen on That So Raven, because remember on that show, she used to see the future, but it was kind of murky. I think I'm seeing the past. I'm too old for that So Raven, but you've. continues. Here we go. Here we go.

Starting point is 00:06:20 I was like I was like 17 when that show was out. That's fair. That's fair. That was not, you were not the target demographic. But let me actually ask you this, Dono. So last time I checked,

Starting point is 00:06:32 Oregon beats Ohio State by what, three points or so and that matters a lot, right? That matters. That that that's a thing that, you know, but not that much because we both knew both teams we're going to get in, right? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:06:45 Well, Well, lo and behold, BYU beat Oregon by three points. I'm sorry, beat SMU by three points. Yeah, SMU, yeah, yeah. BYU was undefeated up until this week. Why should that loss be exponentially worse to the point where if you lose one more game, you're cooked? Because you and I both know, even if Ohio State loses another game and does not get to the Big Ten championship, they're getting in. There is.

Starting point is 00:07:14 Yes, I agree. So why are we not exercising that same thought with SMU here? I would love to know. I would love for somebody to explain it to me like I'm a seven-year. I would love that explain to me as well. I think one thing that's been very clear is there's heavy, heavy favoritism towards the SEC and to a lesser degree, the Big Ten. And Kent, you were warning people about this with the SEC, by the way,

Starting point is 00:07:43 is you know that that that account that for a while was hitched to the Florida State wagon and then I think he kind of jumped off that because you know Florida state's the biggest national embarrassment but he you know he tweets all the time about the Big Ten you know that which a lot of good information comes from that account the Big Ten information account but like I see him like probably rightfully so complaining about the SEC favoritism he's a Big Ten guy and you're right like the SEC and Big Ten they were talking about forming some alliance the SEC's probably realizing we even need the Big Ten.

Starting point is 00:08:15 We're an alliance with you guys. We're straight. Everybody has agreed that both of these teams are the best team because they just, or are the best conferences because they are the best conferences. Everybody sits up here and screams and yells and moans about how we are the only good conferences and we're the good conferences because we beat ourselves. Well, that doesn't quite pass a snuff test with me. I've told everybody ad nauseum for years about what Penn State is, who they are, who they always will be.

Starting point is 00:08:49 And yet, every year we continue to prop them on, weekend at Bernie style, regardless of how good or bad they look. And so, look, they beat Indiana, they beat Washington, they beat, they beat Iowa, they beat Wisconsin, what a day. They beat Rutgers, Dono, Rutgers, the fighting Greg Chianos. What a time. We prop them up and pretend like they're good every year. That doesn't happen in the ACC. The ACC doesn't get that same love, that same credit, that same, hey, your team is important and special just because you have run the table or done enough. And you only have one loss to the champions in this conference.

Starting point is 00:09:26 The ACCC doesn't get that low. It doesn't. The fact that we're even discussing SMU possibly being out, a team with a loss that not only is a one possession loss, the only difference in the point spread between Oregon. Ohio State and BYU SMU is two points. Ohio State lost by one point, BYU beat SMU by two. Oh, okay. So now those two points must be all the difference in the world. They must be all the difference in them.

Starting point is 00:09:57 Again, it's foolishness. The ACC has proven it. The ACC has shown it. And here's my biggest grant. What SEC team doesn't also have a clearing weakness? What big 10 team? doesn't also have, I would say Ohio State and Oregon are probably the only teams that I'm like, you struggle.

Starting point is 00:10:17 Oregon struggled against a very mid-Wisconsin team. And I was about to say, the Oregon's biggest weakness is the fact that they know how good they are, so they never really turn it all. They always look like they're sleep walking through every game, barely beat Idaho, barely beat Boise State. How can you barely beat Idaho and then beat Ohio State? You know what I'm saying? Again, strength of schedule is so interesting to me,

Starting point is 00:10:44 and I see it pop up so much, but I want to know how we determine who's who beyond preseason polls. Because preseason polls are all based on speculation, what we think, what we thought. Sure, the U.S.'s economy is backed up on speculation in debt. College football shouldn't be. That's why we're all eat private equity out

Starting point is 00:11:04 because we don't want it based on speculation in debt. So for our playoff to be the side of that, way is Don Wright nasty. Yeah, no, no doubt. We have a lot more to get to on this episode of Locked on ACC, including with two regular season weeks left, biggest remaining games on the ACC football schedule, whether it be great rivalries, college football playoff implications. In fact, I got a question about what's normally a great rivalry. This particular game might feel completely irrelevant once we get to it. You want to keep it locked right here. We're not done yet we're only getting started on this brand new episode of Lockdown ACC.

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Starting point is 00:14:35 It's game time. Thank you so much for making this episode of Lockdown, ACC, your first listen and your first watch today. We're available free wherever you get your podcast. We're free on YouTube. We're part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. Now, Kenton, when I was teasing if this particular rivalry game doesn't mean much this year, I was not talking about North Carolina versus NC State.

Starting point is 00:15:00 Don't worry. That's not the one I was talking about because remember, final week of the season, Kenton, annual matchup between Florida and Florida State. Now, I will give Florida credit because they've been trending way up recently. DJ Lagway is a bona fide star at quarterback. You know, Billy Napier a couple weeks ago

Starting point is 00:15:21 got the vote of confidence, but it might have actually been a real vote of confidence and not like, hey, we'll endorse you now. We'll fire you later. It seems like, you know, Florida is actually trending up, but then on the other side of that rivalry, this is one of the better rivalries in college football. Historically, you know, Florida State

Starting point is 00:15:38 doesn't care. Florida State is one and nine on the season. They've got Charleston Southern this weekend. They'll win, but I don't think they're going to cover a 33 and a half point spread against Charleston Southern. I think Florida State's going to get blown out by Florida. So that's a game

Starting point is 00:15:54 that we usually care about every single year. Like, do I have any reason to think that what's normally one of the biggest games involving an ACC team? That game's not going to be meaningful whatsoever this year, Kenton. Oh, it's absolutely not going to be meaningful this year. And I want to get into something real quick here about this game,

Starting point is 00:16:11 okay? Florida State and Florida, LinkedIn, Billy has saved his job. You know, and I'm sure all the other SEC coaches are dancing in the streets about it. I'm sure they are. But this one in nine Florida State team, why would anybody get? Why would that? This team doesn't care. They packed it up. They've given up. They have given in. They have no masts the season. They don't. care anymore and are they covering 33 and a half well just just a really quick moment about that what's uh what's their high score on the year down no 21 points 21 points and somehow they're going to cover 33 and a half i don't and mind you that 21 was them at their peak when they believe

Starting point is 00:17:03 like oh we're going to go back to the playoff and all that that was it they're late offensive performances, let's look at these absolute masterclasses that that team has put on, shall we? We're looking at a grand total in their past. I want to say what? About four to five games, we're looking at a grand total of about 20 points. So in what world you look at three points against Notre Dame, 11 against Florida State, 14 against Miami, 16 against Duke. Do you realize you have to combine their last four game scores to get over the threshold of 33?

Starting point is 00:17:45 Like, what are we doing here? Their last three games combined, those boys will put up 28 points. I'm sorry, I have a hard time believing that their offense is now not only going to dominate, they're going to hang a 40 burger on them boy. Yeah, I believe you. I believe you for sure. So this one, now, okay, how much does this mean to you? Another game we look at on the, oh, and let me say one more thing, though, about the Florida State versus Florida game.

Starting point is 00:18:19 It's probably going to mean a big something to Florida because I, you know, for as well as Florida has been playing in recent weeks, I don't think they're going to beat Ole Miss this weekend. I think Ole Miss is going to beat Florida this weekend, which would mean when they face Florida State, they're going to be going for their sixth win and bowl eligibility. It's going to be easier than going up against a buy week. But the game will mean something for Florida. You know, for Florida State. It's just they've, they threw in the towel many, many, many weeks ago.

Starting point is 00:18:46 Now, what about this one? This coming weekend, actually, you don't even have to wait until the final week for this. Cal versus Stanford. Kent, I have been for the better part of my life. I've missed very few Cal versus Stanford games. Even when, you know, neither team is particularly good. one of the oldest rivalries in college football, you know, for so many years, of course, under the Pack 10 and the Pack 12 banner. I know neither team is particularly good.

Starting point is 00:19:14 Stanford just came off a huge win over Louisville, though. It's huge collapse by Louisville. But still, like that rivalry means something. And I am excited to watch it. But like, how surreal is it going to be watching ACC logos on a Cal versus Stanford game? And how big is that game to you, if at all? First thing first, every robbery means something, regardless of if it's a mid-off or not. Even if it's two and ten against one in 11, if you hate each other, if that hate is deep in your heart,

Starting point is 00:19:43 if that really, if that disdain, that disgust, that, as some people said that rivals, that pity is in your heart for real, it's always going to mean something. But how much does this mean to me personally? Not much. I mean, let's be honest here, right? These are two teams that I don't think either one of them has a shot of becoming ball eligible. Cal Cal has five wins. So Cal can get Bull eligible this weekend.

Starting point is 00:20:07 Stanford cannot. They've got seven losses. Oh, okay. Well, I stand corrected. My bad, Lawrence Ross, Kyle Silverfan, you know, you're my guy. You know, I'm sorry. My apology. But in all seriousness, I absolutely don't think this game matters that much.

Starting point is 00:20:24 I mean, I don't really look at this game and say, like, oh, man, like, this is one of those ones that will shape the ACC future. for years to cover because it won't. It objectively will not. And so with that in mind, I look at this game and I don't really see too much there. But again, I'm not involved in that rivalry in a meaningful way. It's just like you said about, hey, I'm not talking about NC State

Starting point is 00:20:47 UNC. Well, let's talk about it. What does that game mean to anybody outside of the Triumph? UNC just barely bowl eligible. NC State fighting for ball eligibility. What does that mean nationally? Nobody really cares. Nobody's looking at that game to say like it means everything but to the people involved in it it does mean everything by the way NC state please don't let me down i got to wear a wide receiver's jersey

Starting point is 00:21:14 of who played for the dirty foot club if y'all lose so please please i'm begging you put william out of his misery in a very impolite way now now you see what you did i'm going to be rooting for mac brown now because i want to you got to wear that jersey on the show i want to see Kent and Gibbs wearing a wide receiver. I said no such thing. I made no such agreement. Now, I will wear it on the show. Now, with I wear it at my current place of employment, I'm a man in my word. Okay, let me strike a deal with you. You don't have to wear it on the show, but you do have to send me a picture of you wearing it at work so I can put it on the screen for the

Starting point is 00:21:53 YouTubers. All right. Can you do that? How about this? How about this? How about this? I will send you a picture of me in the jersey if NC State loses. I will send a picture. Just so I can put it on the screen. That's all I'll send a bit. I'm not wearing it for the whole show. I'm not doing that. No, you don't have to send you a picture.

Starting point is 00:22:13 I'll do that. That's all that I need. Now, I mean, I would argue that probably the biggest remaining game on the ACC regular season schedule, it's going to be Miami at Syracuse final week of the season. Because that, and that, and that,

Starting point is 00:22:29 And that's assuming Miami takes care of business against Wake Forest at home this week. You know, hurricanes are favored by 23 and a half point, 24 points, I think now on Fandals. It would take an epic collapse from Miami coming off a by week to lose to Wake Forest. So if Miami wins this week, that match up against Syracuse, Syracuse has the opportunity to play spoiler. Syracuse, Kenton, when their, when their offense is on, they're one of the more effective units in the country. I mean, you wouldn't believe. A lot of people wouldn't believe Kyle McCord is one of the leading pastors in the entire country right now. When they're on, they are on.

Starting point is 00:23:08 But when they're off, it can get really, really ugly. I could say the same thing for Miami's defense, of course. So that game, to me, will likely decide, you know, whether Miami gets to the ACC championship or not. I think that's the most impactful game left on the regular season schedule. Now, the exception would be, and I don't expect it to happen, but if SMU were to lose this week to Virginia, then their final game against Cal would have their spot on the line. So then that would be a big game.

Starting point is 00:23:41 But you know what? SMU probably has a better chance to lose to Virginia than Miami does to Wake Forest. So I guess nothing's impossible. But I'm looking at Miami versus Syracuse final week. It's probably the biggest game we have left this year. Yeah, I 100% agree because that game is where. all matters where all of the beans are on the line. You are talking about two games with SMU that like, hey, if you lose this one, then everything is on the line and the next one,

Starting point is 00:24:08 as opposed to with Miami, if you lose this one, I said, you're done. Clemson sneaks in. They tiptoe through the back door into the ACC championship real quiet like nobody made a sound, nobody gets hurt type of deal sneaking through the back door there. So, you know, I, I think that this is a, I think that this is absolutely the most impactful game, and I don't think it's particularly a close. Yeah. Well, when we come back, we'll talk about why, you know, there are going to be discussions going on about a future for college football beyond the current TV deals and maybe one

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Starting point is 00:26:46 So, Kenton, it sounds like chancellors and presidents a handful of them within the ACC and the Big 12 are receptive to the idea of these private equity super leagues that are getting floated out there. Project Rudy is one of those that we talked about. The CSFL, which is college student football league, is another one that would create these super leagues of depending on which proposal, you know, 70, 80 teams. You know, you're only playing big opponents. You cut out these FCS matchups. You know, they leverage these alleged big TV deals. And obviously, you can understand why, like, certain decision makers. And these groups are actually, they're targeting.

Starting point is 00:27:32 meetings with the presidents and the chancellors because they're the ones who have final say. Like they want to cut out the middlemen. They don't want to meet with the athletic directors who can't make the final decision. They want to sit down with the chancellors and the presidents and the board of trustees and so on. But here's the problem, Kenton, because for, and I'm sure there are faults, right? For as compelling as these ideas may sound, the SEC and the Big Ten have zero interest in these proposals. Why? Because they have the mega TV deals and they don't need the ACC and the Big 12 and the group of five as much as those other parties need them. So these meetings that are going to be happening, I think maybe in December I was reading on CBS Sports. Dennis Dodd wrote about it.

Starting point is 00:28:20 These meetings with Project Rudy and the CSW, the CSFL, they're going to happen with some decision makers from the Big 10 or the Big 12 in the ACC, not from the Big 10 and the SEC. So I don't see how anything like this could get done if you don't have the big two involved in it. So these things, in my opinion, are going to die on the vine. Oh, absolutely. They're absolutely going to die. And you got to think about it like this. What is the incentive? The ACC and the Big 12 have an obvious incentive to buy into this.

Starting point is 00:28:50 There's a very clear incentive. This is not the situation where a lot of people say like, oh, there isn't a zero something at it. It's not a pie where you take certain slices out. and that takes away from other people. No, college football is very much so that. If the pie is made more equitable, the teams who have the leg up right now are de facto giving something away.

Starting point is 00:29:12 That is the reality of what this is. These teams are generating more money, more revenue than, you know, teams in these smaller leagues at their disposal period. That's just what's happening at this moment. So, I mean, of course they're going to down the environment. because you're missing, you know, a good chunk of the power players in this game. But again, I would warn the Big Ten as I have before.

Starting point is 00:29:41 You see what's happening already. Indiana all of a sudden is a terrible team and they beat nobody and all of a sudden. Hmm. Do you not think that this may happen again? Do you not think that this is possible to happen in a higher clip? the days of the time where players had to go up north because they knew that like, hey, there's a, there are things happening off the field that mean I can't be here in where I'm from. I can't be in Pahoki.

Starting point is 00:30:14 I can't be near Miami. I can't be in Texas. I'm from Muskeek, but I got to go to the north in order to know that those days are gone. They were gone before Dono was born. They're not coming back. So with that in mind, I would warn the Big Ten, hey friends, I may want to look around and kind of take stock of where things are headed and realize, wait a minute, are they arguing for a three-loss team from that conference to get in?

Starting point is 00:30:48 I may need to join the rest of these guys and leave them on their own. Here's something that, here's a quote from Greg Sankey, the SEC Commissioner. I've studied it a little bit and I come back to, I don't want to dumb down the southeastern conference to be part of some super league notion with 70 teams that some people speculate would happen. He told the triple option podcast. He said, quote, they want to be us and that's on them to figure it out, not on me to bring myself back down to earth.

Starting point is 00:31:22 Here's what Big Ten Commissioner Tony Petiti said last month. I have yet to see a single thing in any plan that contains things that we couldn't ourselves and do with our power for colleagues, he said. So no interest from the Big Ten in the SEC. This reminds, I mean, a similar thing, Kenton was proposed to the big European soccer leagues a few years ago. In fact, I think they basically kind of stole that idea and, like, made it college football-centric. There was a proposal for a European Super League. And that proposal died for the same reason this one's going to die.

Starting point is 00:31:56 Because the Premier League and the champions about what reason do they have? Because they're basically, they're the SEC of European soccer where they have, you know, they obviously they have great teams, but they also have the best marketing, the best TV deals. And where, you know, the Spanish and Italian leagues and maybe the German Bundesliga could benefit from a European Super League. You're taking something away from the Premier League. They had no reason to go along with it. Listen, I'm not even a soccer guy and I know what the Premier League is. That's, they don't have any reason. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:32:28 And the SEC and the Big Ten are very much so those leagues right now to where they can do that. But again, I told everybody a couple years ago, and I stand by this. The Big Ten is in for a rude awakening. They're going to look up and find themselves on the wrong side of this thing very quickly. And, you know, they'll very likely be looking for some help of their own, which, you know, a lot of people are saying, oh, well, Fox will keep them up forever. And I'm like, sure. In theory, yeah, it's possible.

Starting point is 00:33:02 It's the most likely outcome. I will say that. It's very likely that Fox keeps them up forever. But there's also a word where they don't. I'll just leave that where it is. I like it. Well, great stuff, as always from Kenton Gibbs. You can check him out at Locked on Wolfpack and on X at TGIF underscore Kenton.

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