Locked On ACC - Daily College Football & Basketball Podcast - Did This ESPN Analyst Cross The Line With His Florida State Commentary? | AP Top 25 Omissions

Episode Date: August 13, 2024

When asked which team inside the Associated Press top ten will finish the season unranked, ESPN’s Paul Finebaum did not hesitate when saying it will be the Florida State Seminoles. Finebaum is unconvinced about how FSU’s defense will be after losing key defensive lineman to the NFL Draft and how transfer quarterback DJ Uiagalelei will fill the shoes of Jordan Travis. Finebaum added the comment,  “And I think they also have a hangover. I think they used up too many tears crying about not getting in the playoffs and that may slow them down a little bit this year.” Did Finebaum take it too far with the cheap shot at the end?Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs break it down, and the guys debate whether the ACC should have had more teams inside the top 25 in addition to Florida State (10), Clemson (14), Miami (19) and NC State (24). Donno runs through an explanation from a lawyer about the nuts and bolts of how mediation works. Florida State and the ACC are currently in mediation, as reported by Ross Dellenger of Yahoo Sports. Florida State is suing the conference in an attempt to break the league’s Grant of Rights agreement. For your next listen, check out the Locked On College Football podcast! From NIL deals to never ending conference realignment rumors, Spencer McLaughlin gets you ready for an exciting season on the gridiron! Click HERE to listen now. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network. Your Team. Every Day.Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONCOLLEGE for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply.eBay MotorsFrom brakes to exhaust kits and beyond, eBay Motors has over 122 million parts to keep your ride-or-die alive. With all the parts you need at the prices you want, it’s easy to bring home that big win. Keep your ride-or-die alive at EbayMotors.com. Eligible items only. Exclusions apply. eBay Guaranteed Fit only available to US customers.FanDuelFanDuel, America’s Number One Sportsbook. As playoffs wind down, the sports stop sporting like we want them to. But this summer, FanDuel is hooking up ALL CUSTOMERS with a boost or a bonus, DAILY! That’s right, there’s something for everyone, every day, all summer long! Visit FANDUEL.COM and add a big win to your summer bucket list!FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

ESPN's Paul Finebaum is making some new enemies in Tallahassee. This guy just took a blow torch to the Florida State Seminoles. You are Locked on ACC, your daily podcast on the Atlantic Coast Conference. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team, every day. Shout out to the everydayers and thank you so much for making Locked on ACC. Your first listen and your first watch today, we're available free wherever you get your podcast. We're free on YouTube. the Locked on podcast network, your team every day.

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Florida State and the ACC or in mediation right now in Florida. I don't know how that's going to go, but we'll find out hopefully something in the coming days. We'll talk about the Associated Press rankings and whether or not we agree with them. There's four ACC teams ranked. Is there anyone who was snubbed and left out from that? But Kenton Gibbs, Kenton, by the way, hosts Locked on Wolfpack. I am Alex Dono. I host Locked on Keynes.

Kent, if I read for you these comments from ESPN's Paul Feinbaum about Florida State, Can you tell me if this is fair play for someone who's paid to make his opinions on television, or if he took some of this a little bit too far. Can you help me with this? Absolutely. Let's hear. And you know, I like to push things a little bit. So we're going to see what the thought is here.

This is making a lot of folks angry, which kind of makes me feel like that's what he intended to do, uh, fine bomb. So find bomb, of course, SEC Network and ESPN college football analyst. he's very pro SEC. You know who Paul Feinbaum is. You know that by now. He was asked on first take, which team inside the top 10 of the Associated Press rankings will finish the season unranked. And without hesitation, Paul Feinbaum said Florida State.

He continued and said, they have no business being in the top 10. Florida State is ranked exactly 10th, by the way. They have no business being in the top 10, he said. They have a difficult schedule. they have Miami and Notre Dame in a three-week period on the road. They end the season with Florida, which is a debatable team, he said. That's kind of a polite way to put it. He said, but I think they're going to get caught in the run of the Mill ACC game this

year, which they did not encounter last year. They lost the guts of their defense, Fine Bomb said. They have a quarterback who has certainly been around and remains a question mark, talking about DJ Uyangglo-A. And I think they also have a hangover. Now, Kenton, here's the part that really, pissed a lot of folks off. I think they used up too many tears crying about not getting in the playoffs and that may slow them down a little bit this year. I mean, my God, the man did not hold

back. I'll tell you this. Most of that was fair playing inside the lines. Some of it was not, right? You talk about losing the guts of the defense. Braden Fis, Jerry versus that's absolutely the heart and soul. That's absolutely the, you know, just two plays. players that are wildly impactful. And I'll tell you this, the front end always affects the back end before the back end affects the front end. We all know that. So you've got fantastic work there in terms of those two leaving.

I agree with you. Those are two massive blows there. Even if you believe that Patrick Payton is going to take a step forward, do you believe that he can replace both of those guys or that their replacements, Patrick and whoever is going to be, they're starting, you know, a nose guard can replace those two. I think that's a tough sell. That's a hard ask. But he goes on to say, you know, hey, they lost a lot, the quarterback's question mark.

I agree with that. I think that while DJ U has a high floor, he also has a low ceiling. I'm confused about how much you can honestly expect from him and really see him being a winner. Now, where you get out of bounds is where you say they used up too many tiers. And here's the thing. I actually agree with the hangover assessment. I think that teams that go undefeated and deal with a situation like that, there will absolutely be a hangover.

It's like losing the Super Bowl. There's hangovers to that kind of thing. Absolutely. But to say they use too many tears. Crying. Come on, man. Come on, man. Be a professional.

Be a professional. But that's what this hot take world that we're in now. It's all about. It's no longer about what's substantive. It's about what's going to make people live, was going to piss people off, was going to make a clip. And that's, you know, Paul Firebom gets paid good money

for what he does for a reason. He's good at pissing people off. And this is the moment where he pissed people off. To Florida State fans, I would simply say this. Look at Paul Firebomb, take it with a grain of salt. Know that he is Stephen A. Smith with the same hairline, but a much lesser audience. That's in essence who he is.

He's a Stephen A. Smith of the SEC, and he's trying his best to hurt your feelings. Don't let him bother you. Don't let him get to you. Oh, I know what it feels like to be in Fine Bombs crosshairs. There was a comment four or five years ago that he made, because, you know, not me personally, Kenton, by the way. I'm talking about my. I was about to say.

Oh, no idea who I am. Maybe if we hosted Locked on SEC, he would know, he probably knows who Chris Gordy is. He doesn't, he has no idea who I am. No, but I know what it feels like as a guy who covers and went to Miami to be in Fine Bombs Crosshairs, because he made a comment four or five years ago where he referred to Miami as a, a quote unquote third world program. And a lot of folks down in South Florida took that very personally. But at the same time, it's like, you said it.

This is what Feinbaum does. He's Stephen A. Smith of the SEC. This is what he does. So I guess my follow-up question would be in making these comments. And it's not, I don't think it's the first time he's pissed off Florida state fans recently because, you know, he was talking in recent months about how like the SEC would have no interest in adding Florida state. Clemson. He may not be wrong about that. I think more a lot of folks wonder the Big Ten thing is more

debatable. The Big Ten would seem like the likelier destination for Florida State and Clemson. But he ruffled some feathers with those comments, making it seem like Florida State is an overvalued program in his eyes, right? So he's upset those fans before. But I see some accusations coming out of Tallahassee where they really think there's a coordinated ESPN agenda. against their football program. And it's not just fine bomb. You go back to the comments that Kirk Herb Street made after, you know, Florida State, in our opinion, was snubs from the 14th playoff.

But Herb Street, he agreed with the committee's decision. Florida State fans have not forgiven that guy ever since. They probably never will. So it's like, are these just people expressing opinions that may run contrary to a certain fan base? Or do you feel like that I think maybe the accusation would be that since, you know, the ACC is a TV partner of ESPN and since Florida State may be looking to go to Fox with the Big Ten that there's a coordinated attack by ESPN against Florida State. I don't feel like that's

the case. What about you? I don't think that there's a coordinated attack against Florida State in terms of that is the main goal. But there is a coordinated effort to inflate and pump up the SEC. And attacks on Florida State are a byproduct of that. That is. And I don't, I don't I don't think Herb Street cares about that, but Fine Bomb for sure. He will knock down anybody he has to to prop up the SEC, yes. Absolutely. And not only that, let's take it a step further in terms of what's happening with the coverage of these different conferences. The reality of the matter is very simple.

I've talked about it ad nauseum. Sanky is a showman. He's a showman. He knows how to get the crowd going. He knows how to do all those things. and that on top of the fact that SEC schools are willing to give so much to football. And they're like, hey, everything else be damned. We are going to be really good at football.

And that's just all there is to it. The reality is very simple. ESPN has shown time and time and time again that there will be that tilt. There will be that lean towards the SEC. Look at the difference between the SEC and ACC networks. And that's no offense to the ACC network. They do good word. They do really good word.

But I'm saying look at the difference in terms of who the personalities are, what the personalities are paid, who has the largest followers and all that type of stuff. And I get it. The SEC has more of a situation where SEC schools are their state's pro team. Who's the pro team in Alabama? Who's the pro team in Mississippi? Who's the pro team in all these different states in the SEC country? I get it. I understand it.

But the reality remains that there is absolutely a push. you can tell from a mile away, even before Jordan Travis was hurt, they were saying, well, if Florida State goes undefeated, if this scenario happens, where this team loses this team, and Florida State remains undefeated, who's left out? And Florida State was the odd team out before Jordan Travis got it. So to now look at this thing and see, Jordan Travis getting hurt was just a convenient excuse, there is absolutely that push that again, the perception is forming the reality, which that should, as much as we know, perception. is reality, that should not be the case for certain things. For certain things, it should be what is happening? What is happening? If somebody's pissing on your leg, 12 people telling you it's rain and doesn't make it rain, you still need to go wash your leg immediately.

You understand? Even if everybody's agreeing to that. So I think that there is definitely a push for the SEC. I don't think that that down in Florida State is the main goal of it, but I do believe it's a byproduct of it, absolutely. I can see that. The Associated Press rankings just dropped early this week. There are four representatives in the top 25 out of the ACC.

Is that enough? Did they get it right? And we can do a spin on the question that Paul Feinbaum was asked. Instead of who's going to finish outside the top 10 or the top 25, is there anybody in the ACC who is left out of the top 25 who's going to finish the season in that thing? You want to keep it locked right here, my friends. We're only getting started on this brand new episode of Locked on ACC. Oh, and I already know you're keeping it locked to eBay Motors.

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Thank you so much for making Locked on ACC, your first listen and your first watch. Stay for your next listen, make sure to check out the other shows that Kenton Gibbs and I hope. We host Kenton does a fantastic job on Locked on Wolfpack. I host Locked on Cains. So between the two of us and Grayson, who co-hosts with Kenton, we keep you guys updated on everything, Wolfpack, on everything Miami Hurricanes. And then we all, we sum up the entire league here on Locked on ACC. So make sure you check out our other shows available free, wherever you get your podcast and available free on YouTube. So the preseason AP poll comes out, Kenton, which it is a big deal.

I think we, you know, the primary reason for preseason rankings, I guess, are just to create conversation. But at the same time, you always look at teams that maybe should be ranked who aren't to start the year. And does that put them behind the eight ball? Because then it makes it harder for those teams to climb up the rankings during the season. So they are as follows, the top 25. You've got Georgia who's been the consensus number one team in the country. You know, people are wondering with their schedule being so tough, are they going to finish the season number one, at least the regular season. They'll get into the playoff. It would be a shocker if they don't. Ohio State at number two, Oregon number three,

Texas at number four, Bama at five, Ole Miss at six, Notre Dame at seven, Penn State, eight, Michigan ninth, Florida State, as we've discussed, 10th, that's the first ACC team to come into the rankings. Missouri at 11, Utah 12, LSU 13, Clemson 14, Tennessee 15, Oklahoma 16, Oklahoma State 17, Kansas State 18, Miami, 19th, Texas A&M 20th, Arizona 21st, Kansas 22nd, USC at 23, NC State at 24, and Iowa. There are three points per game scored at number 25. First of all, does anything jump out at you? Because there are certain things out of the ACC, Kent, I don't know, if Texas top four to start the year,

if that might be a little bit inflated, but anything else jump out to you that shouldn't be where it is. You know, I think the funniest thing about the first segment that we had was it was about the top 10 team most likely to finish outside of the, outside of ranking altogether. I don't know how number nine was not the team that everybody was worried about. Yeah, Michigan. That's another, yeah, yeah. Michigan has a quarterback that has not played a snap of real meaningful football.

they have a team that I believe Jim Harbaugh was his pedestrian and he was on his way his record was very pedestrian and he was on his way out at Michigan before Counterstatius joined that situation that's just an objective fact that's that's not what I wanted to be this is not a takedown of Michigan that's just a fact it is a fact that before and after Scott there's a very clear

delineation pre him post or pre him and post his addition to that deal. And not to mention they are also committing recruiting violations during COVID. And a lot of those players were on that team last year. I don't know how many of them are left this year, but we're on that team last year that won the championship. And so, you know, they've been caught for so many. They can't keep allegedly cheating the way that they've been.

So that's another reason why they may fall out. And here's the other thing, right? when you look at the situation in terms of, oh, well, even if you say the cheating didn't matter and they're bringing back their best two defenders and Will Johnson and company, sure, I will give you that. Offensively, what's going on there? I mean, don't get me wrong. I think the word of Donald Edwards, I think that he's a special, special back.

A special special, special back is not enough in 2024. It's not. It's not. Not in the big 10 that they're looking at. Not with the schedule that they got. With Texas also wanted as one of your non-conference game. I'm very confused as to, I get it. Defending National Champs is always going to give you a boost.

But a defending national champ, losing your head coach, losing your quarterback, losing so many pieces offensively. You're starting running back, losing so many pieces, and I believe their top receiver as well in Roman Wilson. You're losing all of these guys who are so meaningful. I'm confused as to where you get that besides like, they got a big brand.

They were really great last year. And we expect, I would not be shocked at all to see that team pin us outside the top of top 25. That's a great point. Now, for the ACC, the four representatives are Florida State 10th, Clemson 14th, Miami 19th, NC State 24th. Louisville was like this close to getting in. They were like the top of others receiving votes.

So unofficially, I guess they're number 26. So is there a team in the ACC who didn't? crack that top 25 who you think are going to be in it at the end of the season. Louisville is obviously the low-hanging fruit if Chuck is healthy. They're obviously the ones that are ripe for the picking there. But on top of them, I would probably say Virginia Tech is the other team. That was not, you know, they weren't even in the realm of being thought about here. But I think that they, the national perception and the reality, two different things for

this team. Because again, if you watch the games, you know how special Kairon Jones is. If you watch the stats, he looks like a pedestrian quarterback who can run a little bit. So it's going to be interesting to see which Kyron Drones decides to show up, how consistent he can be, and how well that team can do in terms of, again, getting teams in bad situations, getting teams behind the sticks so that they can send their dogs to hunt, and so that they can come up with all those exotic coverages that give quarterback's absolute fits. I'm very excited to see how that works out for him, but I think I wouldn't be surprised.

to see them in the top 25 at the end of the season at all. And maybe even the Pony Express may possibly creep in there. But a couple big ones at the end of the season, possibly. And that's mine, SMU. And, you know, again, like we both have reservations about their chances to win the ACCC because they're in the Power 4 for the first time. But if you're going to ease a team into the Power 4, they've got the easiest schedule, Kenton, in the ACC.

I think their schedule is, like, either in the SACC, 70s or 80s ranked strength of schedule in the entire country, which is like really low for a power 4 team. So right there, I think that's a very talented football team. You know, their quarterback, Preston Stone, I think it's going to turn a lot of heads this year. They have a lot of talent at wide receiver. Really good offense.

We'll see how the defense holds up against power four competition. But just based on strength of schedule and roster alone, I think SMU could end up sneaking into that top 25. Those boys schedule are so bad. Remember when we thought Holy Cross was. a team on their schedule and we actually found out it was like Houston Central or something like Yeah, look, I got to go back and compare. I think SMU might have had a tougher schedule last year in the AAC than they have this year in the ACC. Like it's it's like, I don't know, they got the luck

of the draw. Very easy schedule. Yeah, well, you know, this is, I'll say this. This is, while it is a luck of the draw situation, there's the realities are still the realities. And preseason, everybody's undefeated. Everybody's preseason champs, you got to put the ball down. And while they do look good, especially on the perimeter, I have no doubts about if they can hold up on the interior, that perimeter, those playmakers, they got out wide offensively. They're going to put on some light shows in the ACC. My only question is the trenches on both sides. How do you hold up? Yeah. How do you hold up? I saw that they added a ton of guys in the portal. Adding bodies don't mean you add good bodies. I had the bodies don't mean you had talented guys in that rotation to do what needs to be done there.

So, you know, SMU is one of those teams for me that I'm like, would I be shocked if they ended up in the top 25? No. But if somebody said, hey, you got a bet on one of these teams outside the top 25 to get in before the end of the year, it wouldn't be SMU. Yeah. No, I'm with you on that. So Florida State and the ACC, they're reportedly in mediation session. this week. Whether anything comes out of that, we'll find out. But Florida State and the ACC, by the way, they've got an appeal date set for next month. The ACC is appealing the denial of the motion to stay in Florida. I'm sure that's going to get held up. Again, we expect Florida State to keep winning in court in Florida. We expect the ACC to keep winning in court in North Carolina. We'll see which case wraps up first. But I was educated today on how mediation works. We'll talk about that when we come back. You want to keep it locked right here. Alex Dono and Kenton Gibbs with

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We decided, you know, we're going to be doing our locked on our ACC preview show. Are we in concert on nine and three for Clemson coming up this year? Is that where we're at for the Tigers? Because I want to make sure I sound smart when I talk to Spencer. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I, you know, as much as I think the world of the Tigers, I really and truly struggle to say that they're headed in the right direction.

I really do. It's Phil Mawful full-time back is your first question. Can William stay healthy on the outside? I know that everybody keeps yelling at me. Brown was our leading receiver last year. Will you tell me, you saw Brown play last year? You think he's a game breaker? You think he's a game changer?

You think he's a guy that, oh, we got him healthy. Defense has better be on the lookout. No, he's not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That's just the reality there. Kay Kleblich's decision making, to say that that leaves a lot to be desired,

would say that that would be to say that Adrian Monk left a lot to be desired in terms of bravery. Like if you've ever seen the show month, man was afraid of everything. just a quick little aside for you. So with that in mind, I really and truly look at them and say, the defense can carry you but so far. Their young defensive backs got better and better throughout the year.

I will give them their props. They absolutely improved throughout the year. They are bringing back one of the best linebackers in the nation in Barry Carter. His running mate, Jeremiah Traderie Jr., is going to the NFL, but you ask yourself, how much can that defense do? How far can that defense take them? That's to be seen. All right. So here, here's kind of what we can expect on how the mediation process is going between Florida State and the ACC. Now, when I mention who my source is on this information, I'm going to become like a Paul Finebaum level public enemy. So this comes from an ex post from attorney David McKenzie. Now, I know Florida state fans do not like Dave. He's he's very open about supporting the ACC in this lawsuit. But the information that he shared.

on his ex account isn't so much like an opinion on how he thinks the case is going to resolve, but more the nuts and bolts of how this mediation process works. So his first point is this is a mandated process. He says, contrary to some commentary, FSU and the ACC are not participating in this process voluntarily. It is required in all civil cases, and Judge Cooper ordered an early mediation to encourage a settlement before the case progresses further. His point number two, neutral mediator. He said the mediator is supposed to be neutral, but neutrality can be nuanced.

He says, a skilled mediator will have a deep understanding of the case and law, allowing them to provide insights into the likely outcomes of the case. This informed perspective can help guide the parties toward a resolution, even if it's not explicitly stated. Then he writes, confidentiality is the next point. Mediators take this responsibility. Seriously, he says, they do not share what one party has said with the other unless given explicit it permission. And that brings to point number four. The initial session, he says, mediation usually, but not always begins with all parties in the same room where the mediator explains the process. Sometimes one party may be allowed to make a presentation. However,

this practice is not always followed and some like myself do not like it as it can set the wrong tone. Then he says caucusing. After the initial session, the parties typically moved to separate rooms to caucus. The mediator will shuttle between rooms discussing the strengths and weaknesses of each party's case and conveying offers or counteroffers in an effort to reach a middle ground. So part of that that I'm educated on, Kenton, is the fact that they actually spend less time in a room together, which makes sense because that's when the other side could kind of figure out what the strategies are, you know, of their opposition, which could be,

could be ammunition if it does, you know, get through full trial. So I kind of pictured mediation like, you know, I drew the analogy to marriage counts. where you're kind of in the same room hashing it out. Sounds like there's very little of that. It's more the mediator goes back and forth and he tries to keep what the other side is saying as secretive as possible. Yeah, that absolutely appears to be the case.

But I look at this and I'm still like, it's not too different from what you and I imagine because I believe that it'll be, hey, what's your deal of Florida State? Well, half a billion dollars, pay it out or don't and stay. And the Florida State's deal will be something similar oh, we don't want to pay anything or we want to pay a very low amount. And we want we don't want our TV rights to be included in that and did it

or we want our TV rights to be included in that lump sum we paid. We want it to still stay this low amount. And then they're just like, nope, I don't like that. Don't like that either. Okay, great. Let's go to court and duke it out. I honestly and truly don't see any resolution outside of that coming from this mediation.

I would tend to agree. But if we hear more about this process, we will certainly share. He is Kent and Gibbs from Locked on Wolfpack. actually follow him on X at TGIF underscore Kenton. I am Alex Dono from Lockdown Caines. You can follow me at Alex Dono. And we'll talk to you again next time on another episode of Lockdown ACCC, part of the awesome lockdown podcast network.

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