Locked On ACC - Daily College Football & Basketball Podcast - UNFAIR: ACC Coaches SLAM Notre Dame’s Bowl Privileges and IGNITE Conference Controversy

Episode Date: May 12, 2026

ACC athletic directors blast Notre Dame’s “special treatment” as frustration boils over at the ACC spring meetings. Are conference powers finally ready to push back, or will Notre Dame continue to enjoy unique privileges without full football membership? Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs break down explosive anonymous quotes, including pointed criticism around bowl opt-outs and the one-sided deal crafted by former commissioner John Swofford. Florida State athletic director Michael Alford faces backlash after defending the Seminoles’ disappointing offseason, sparking debate about FSU’s future and the challenges for head coach Mike Norvell. Meanwhile, playoff chaos looms, as ACC decision-makers now support a 24-team College Football Playoff — is this a move toward progress or pandering to big-money interests? Don’t miss key insights on bowl game policies, the impact of looming playoff changes, and which ACC programs are under the most pressure as the landscape shifts. Everydayer ClubIf you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclub   Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! Indeed Listeners of this show get a $75 Sponsored Job Credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves at http://Indeed.com/podcast Rocket MoneyLet Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join athttps://RocketMoney.com/LOCKEDON.   WayfairHead to https://Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. Wayfair. Every style. Every home.    FanDuel Today's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Right now new customers can bet just five dollars and get one-hundred and fifty dollars in bonus bets if your first bet wins. Visit https://FANDUEL.COM to get started — Play Your Game.   FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Wow, ACC athletic directors, choosing to remain anonymous, of course, are not happy about the special treatment Notre Dame gets within the conference. You are Locked on ACC, your daily podcast on the Atlantic Coast Conference. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. He's Kenson Gibbs from Locked on Wolfpack. I'm Alex Dono from Lockdown-Kane's. And on this episode of Locked on ACC, a lot of headlines are coming out of the ACCC spring meetings at Amelia Island near Jacksonville, Florida, including apparently now the ACC is all behind a 2014 college football playoff. I guess wherever the wind blows, it will take the ACC some crazy quotes.

Maybe Kenton doesn't think they're as crazy from Florida State's athletic director on their upcoming football season. but Kenton, by far the juiciest of stories that have come out of these ACC spring meetings come courtesy of Brett McMurphy on3Sports.com, who writes this article about ACC athletic directors and administrators speaking up and out against Notre Dame. So this first quote, an industry source told on three, Notre Dame is the guy that walks in the house, opens the fridge, eats all the food, then screws the wife, kicks the dog, doesn't pay the mortgage, and walks out with any skin in the game.

I mean, is that true, Kenton, with this, you know, the relationship the Notre Dame has with the ACC? It is true, but Donnell, let's do a thought exercise. Let's mean you work this out. You're a married man, right? Yeah. And Dono is happily married, y'all. He's not like normal married.

When you asked Donno about his wife and his family, he likes her. Now, let's do the exercise, Donno, okay? Let's say a gentleman came into your house and did all that. How would you respond? I say, what do you do and eating my cake out of my fridge? I would not be happy about it. So before he even get to the wife, the fruit snacks being gone, you already own, right? You already are.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know, Donno. I'm unmarried, right? I'm unmarried. I'm trying to get off the date now. And if somebody came into my house as just me, and I see them drinking one of my monster energies,

I see them eating one of my clean eats meals or something like that. Oh, hold on, player. What's you doing? What's going on? Let me explain what I mean by that. These administrators can be as mad as they want to be. But what type of weak need, soft, spine, conference allowed for this to begin with.

It's my question. Yeah. That's my question. I can't even blame Notre Dame. Like they get this, they've got this tremendous TV deal for football with NBC, but, you know, they need a home for their other sports because they don't have an NBC deal for everything. So they get this convenient relationship that former ACC commissioner John Swofford was able to, was willing to give to them where, hey, you know what? You don't have to join. join the ACC for football, but you know, you have to play against us five times per year, which I'm not going to lie.

That does give some benefit to the ACC, obviously, because Notre Dame is a big television draw, and when they visit your stadium, it's usually a sellout. So there is some benefit. Like, it's not as if the ACC gets no benefit from this, but Notre Dame gets the benefit of not having to fully commit to have their cake and eat it too. Donno, I was talking to one of my old teammates who went on to play. playing the NFL. And we were, obviously, I'm not his lawyer.

I'm not his financial advisor. Not his agent. Not his old lady. So I'm not, I'm sure I wasn't the deciding factor on making this decision. But he said, Ken, man, man, the opportunity to stick with this team to draft me or go somewhere. And I said, no, well, at the end of the day, you've got to do what's best for you. What makes the most sense for you long term, you've got to do that.

because the team that he cared about, we built relationships, did all that. They were undercutting them a little bit on the pay. And I said, at the end of the day, do you think that they would undercut themselves because they care for you? Okay. So, Notre Dame, I don't blame them.

You talk about why, you know, they got a sweetheart deal and all that. If you go, a sucker's born every day and it's going to get licked every time. They're going to get, a lick will be hit on the sucker every single time. And the ACC happened to be the sucker in this instance. Because I have said this time and time again,

and nobody's proven me wrong yet. What other Power 4 conference will approve this deal? Yeah. Yeah. So really, like when coaches and ADs are speaking up about this, like they should really be complaining about. And obviously, like Jim Phillips inherited this, but they should really be mad about that deal

that was cut by the previous commissioner. or some of the other quotes that McMurphy put in on three sports.com. He says at this week's ACC Spring meetings at the Ritz Carlton Amelia Island, quote, pathetic, another quote, 100% arrogance and cry babies were just a few of the responses from the league's athletic directors and coaches that spoke with On Three about Notre Dame. Now, the cry babies part is coming off of them, you know, opting out of the Pop-Tarch Bowl, right? They didn't get into the playoff. We're going to take our ball and go home.

And so what people need to understand is, even though Notre Dame is not a football member of the ACC, they're part of the ACC's bowl game roster. So they're eligible for the invites of the bowl games that the ACC is tied to. And so ACC coaches took issue with Notre Dame being able to opt out of the Pop-Tarts Bowl without any financial penalty. Because apparently, and I just learned about this this week, if I'm being honest, any other, any full. football member of the ACC, if you opt out of a bowl game, the conference can fine you. I think it's half a million. Like, you can be fined by the ACC for opting out, but that doesn't, you know, apply to Notre Dame. Another AD said there's a very widespread perception that we're all

getting used, and we're sick of it. If an ACC team did that, it would have been fine. It's a bad situation creating bad outcomes for organizations that need each other. Added another ACC. AD. It seems reasonable to have consequence if the conference membership agreed to something that an individual institution made a decision counter to that decision. I'm still waiting, said an ACCC coach, glancing down at his watch to see how much they're fine is going to be. I didn't realize they were so upset about Notre Dame opting out of that bowl. I didn't realize other ACC teams were that mad about that, Kenton. Well, it's not just about Notre Dame opting out of the bowl game. It's Notre Dame opting into or displaying rather a level of control and autonomy over their future and self-determination

that no other team can do. No other coach can say, hey, this year was a wash. We got some cancers in the locker room that are going to the NFL or going to the transfer portal. I'm glad to get them the hell out of here. Let's shut it down early. Get right churches. Let's go home.

Okay. And I'm going home on a morning train. The evening train is going to be too late. Everybody. If you a malacant, go. Now, no other team can do that. No other team can do that. And so again, there is rightfully the envy and jealousy of, hey, they're supposed to be like us, but they're clearly not like us.

They're doing stuff that we can't do. That is upsetting for me. I give it. I give it. And again, I go back to the administrators have every right to be mad, but the ACC is a conference. Stand up. Stand up. Yeah.

This is just awful. And I'm not denying that Notre Dame benefits to ACC as well. I'm not denying that Notre Dame gives the ACC cachet in terms of the teams they play and all that as well. They've already started cutting deals outside of the ACC deal. That's right. How much? How much?

Again, if somebody wanted to do all that in either one of our houses, here's the thing. I don't care what you got going on. It's going to sound a lot like that Fletcher Cox call you come in my house. officers, y'all going to have to come pick up a dead body. Because somebody's in my house that ain't supposed to be here. And Donald, I don't have, not only do I not have a wife or anything like that, I don't got a dog, I don't got a pet spider, I don't got a pet rock.

They better be quiet around here when I want it quiet. And if it's not quiet, why the hell it ain't quiet? Who's this man in my home? Don't worry about it. We'll figure it out. We'll get him out very quickly. The ACC has sat with this man in their home, sat with him kicking up his feet, sat with him eating all the fruits snacks, sat with him eating all of your good stuff.

And now all of a sudden we're back to the complaining stage. Do something about it. Do something about it. Yeah, because honestly, you know, for people to complain about Notre Dame not joining a conference, the ACC allows them to not be in a conference because they need those five guaranteed opponents per year. because with the Big 10 at nine conference games per year, the SEC just moved to nine conference games per year. The Big 12 is at nine conference games,

they wouldn't be able to fill out a real schedule. Like people already complain about their schedule being super soft, and that includes five guaranteed ACC opponents per year. If the ACC told them to kick rocks, they would be forced to join a conference, but they don't have to because the ACC lets them have this sweetheart deal. It's on the ACC, not on Notre Dame. Yeah, again, the first time somebody wrongs you, does it,

hurts your harms or something like that in this way, it's on them. That's them taking advantage of you, hurting your harm, that ain't right. You ain't supposed to do nothing like that to nobody. But when you let it become a pattern, when you let that become the perpetual state of existence for you, now you're actively opting in.

And the ACC has actively opted in to rules for, me, but not for me. You're good. You don't got to follow these rules. Wait, Forrest, what you mean you thinking about sitting out of bowl game? What do you mean by that? Oh, Boston College, how dare you say your city got a ball game? This is your first one in quite some time. You're going to sit down? Oh, the find is on the way. Oh, Miami, you're one of our bastions of academic and athletic excellence. How dare you say out of bowl game? Oh, look at cutesy Notre Dame over there, city got a bowl game. Hey, do we want to do a documentary on this, here comes the Irish, right? Oh, they get the rest of that too? Great. Perfect.

Love it. Enough about them. Let's talk about a full ACC member. Florida State's athletic director. He was interviewed at these ACC spring meetings. And I think a lot of folks within Florida States fan base are, you know, maybe not too happy about some of the things he said about their current football situation. You want to keep it locked right here. We're only getting started on this brand new episode of Locked on ACC. If you've ever opened your bank account and thought, where did all my money go? You're not alone.

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I am Alex Dono, host of Lockdown Keynes. Now, I get it. It's easy for me to take shots at Florida State given I'm the Miami guy. But Kenton, we know for a fact that Locked on Seminels host, Brian Smith, is going to devote an episode on Wednesday to these comments from Florida State Athletic Director Michael Alford, who talked about how great Florida State's transfer portal was.

You know, well, every year is important. And going into it, we've given the program the resources with the new facilities, financially, invested in the coaching staff, invested in the front office, he said. So you know, you go out and evaluate players and get the best players that Florida State can go get. I think we've done a great job. I think John Garrett's done a tremendous job of coming in and putting processes and procedures in place. I think he and Michael really work well together and have a lot of the same ideas. I'm assuming he's talking about Norville when he says Michael.

They have a lot of the same ideas about the type of player that belongs and needs to play at Florida State. So again, I know Seminole fans are ripping that quote to shreds because the idea with, you know, the very disappointing transfer portal that Florida State had, you know, the disappointing run they've had on the recruiting trail, which is obvious when your head coach is obviously a lame duck. You know, for the AD to come out and say the amazing offseason they've had, it's like, do you think people are stupid? And then the final quote, Kenton, I guess he was asked about this by one of the reporters on hand. Now, most of these quotes came directly from Chris Knee from Knowles 247.com, but I think it was a different person who asked him about where the bar is for the football team this season. And he says, Florida State Standard is always to compete for championships. So, I mean, like, I don't know what else he's supposed to say,

but at the same time, maybe, you know, you don't completely gaslight your fan base. I don't know what he should have done there, Kenton. He's in an untenable situation. This is a lose-lose. Whichever way you cut it, whichever way you slice it, he's going to be wrong. Why do I say that? Because Dono, let's go through another exercise, right? Okay.

So he comes out and he tells the truth. Hey, we really don't care much for Mike. He's probably not going to be the coach this time next year. Talk to me next year when I come down to Amelia Island or come up, right? That's up from Tallahassee or down? It's over, I would say it is. When I come on over, when I come on over to Amelia Island again, talk to me again,

because we'll have our actual coach that we think is going to take us back to championships. Because championships are the standard in Norville has not met it. Unfortunately, our pockets do not meet the criteria to pay him and whoever the new coach is and pay for stadium renovations and pay for revenue share. We don't have the money. So right now we cannot get rid of it. That's just where we are. What do you think the reaction is if he says that, Donald?

I mean, I would like to think, like, the real Florida state fans might be kind of refreshed with the honesty. But they would, they would torch him, though. Like, they would be like, well, why aren't you doing a better job? Like, it's a lose, lose, like you said. Like, there's nothing you can say that makes the situation okay. So now watch this. the fans still aren't happy, right? The fans still aren't happy, as they are with this current statement.

How do you think Norville feels about that? Yeah, not well. Okay, but what if he takes a step further? It says Norville had a terrible offseason. I mean, he got a couple of mid players. He got a couple of players that are better than mid, but it's not enough to compete at this level. It's just not enough.

Incoming four-win season, incoming coach being fired. Don't worry about it. Hashtag lost, right? You can't say that publicly. You just can't. What happens to the players in their, psyche and their morale, right? So now it's, you're put in a position where you have to give AD speak and then people are going to crucify you for giving AD speak. But the, the whole crux of all

this, the whole thing, everything is worse when you're losing, especially out of place that's a customer winning. Yeah. The drinks aren't as cold. The jokes aren't as funny. The women aren't it's pretty. Nothing's just good. Nothing is good. The seats on the flight aren't as comfortable. The hotel beds are a little too firm or a little too soft depending on what you like. It just gets worse. Everything is made worse by losing because if they were winning, if they were at 10 wins a season, even if they hadn't been to a championship in quite some time, we'd say, yeah, I mean, the standard is just about that at Florida State.

But it's not, it's not anymore because they're losing. The standard for Florida State is still national championships. The standard for Florida State is still at least ACC championships. I've talked about this before, Dono. Eight wins. Eight wins a year. You can guarantee eight wins a year on average over a 15-year period. 90, over 90 actually, more like 95% of FBS schools in America.

You will get a statute. Facts. Watch this. Eight wins a year at Boston. Do they build your statue? 15 years. It'd be the size of the statue of liberty. Okay.

Eight wins a year of Syracuse, 15 years. They build your statue? You have a big old Fran Brown statue outside your stadium. Watch this. Louisville. They're one of the better programs in the conference. Eight games a year, over a 15-year period. Do they build you a statue?

I would say no for Louisville. But they at least consider it. They at least consider it. How much did Snellenberger win there? And yet there's an award when they play Miami named after. So again, and this ain't to knock Snellenberger. God rest his whole, from all accounts, great man, great coach, all that good stuff.

I'm saying this to say, at the end of the day, Florida State is one of those few schools. Eight wins a year, over 15 years, they'll ask why you didn't get fired 10 years ago. That's going to be the question. You ain't get no damn statute. You're getting the, who did he have nudes on in the program to remain the head coach?

So, you know, it's one of those things where Florida State Standard is objectively championships to just not meet me. Yeah. And I think the, and I noticed I was going through the comment section of that article and you could imagine, there's a lot of name calling in Michael Alford's direction. But I feel like the big, the big stain on the Alford era is going to be investing good money into bad choices. because like obviously it's it's a program that that has or at least had money and resources, but they invested so much money into facilities. Like it's nice to have good facilities. But if you're investing so much in your facilities that you don't have NIL money to build a roster,

that's a problem. Like you should have invested in the roster before facilities. You know, they got they got hoodwinked into giving Mike Norvell that crazy extension because, you know, Jimmy Sexton, the super agent did what he does. and he linked Norville to that Alabama job. Stop it. Stop it. At that time, at that time, it made sense, Donno.

You're coming fresh off of 13 and O, a team that should have made the playoffs. You're the hottest coach in America and everybody's coming for you. Did they have to extend them? No. No, they did. But it made a lot of sense and even the big buyout. what was the extension actually about the extension was about keeping him there

how do you keep him there make the cost so prohibitive for if another school wants them that like you got a job the only problem with that gambit is you've also made the cost prohibitive for yourself if you want to get rid of it so they made it expensive if Bama was going to circle the block and say you know what

we want but they also made expensive if Bama beat their heads in and somehow we live in a world where they actually beat them and are still terrible. I don't know, Dono. I don't know. It's just, and none of this makes sense. No, it doesn't.

I'd be lying if I said I felt bad for them, but, you know, it is what it is. It is what it is. And eventually if they're able to, you know, get out of the Norville contract, which obviously is going to happen. If they hire the right coach, Florida State's a sleeping giant. I mean, we know what that program is capable of with the right culture in place. They're just strayed very far away from that. All right, when we come back, all of a sudden now the ACC, coaches, administrators,

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who's also covering the ACC Spring meetings. Let's see. Hold on. I'm trying to find the right quote here from Ross. Here we go. He says, in a joint meeting today at ACC spring meetings, athletic directors and head football coaches discussed at length the future of the college football playoff, swinging support behind a 2014 field. Quote, there is consensus, said one. Another quote, the room isn't split, said another. So, I mean, it's weird because I feel like, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, Kenton, but we've, you know, we've been going out recent years every summer to the ACC kickoff media days, which is going to happen again this year in July, a couple months away from that.

And I feel like the last couple of summers, like Jim Phillips, the commissioner speaks every year. And I don't, he didn't really give any indications that the ACC wanted to make the playoff bigger. But all of us, and to be fair, it's not Phillips that said this. But apparently the ADs and the coaches want it, which means the commissioner will get behind it. I don't know how we're suddenly in this place where it seems like everybody except the SEC commissioner, Greg Sankey, seems to now be supporting doubling the size of the playoff, which has only been at 12 teams for a couple of years.

We're already doubling the size of it as soon as 2027 potentially. Fans by and large don't want this, but I guess you're the people who stand to profit from it, they're getting behind it. What? The people who stand a profit from something? One, a thing despite the fact that everybody else says it'll make stuff worse. Yeah. Welcome to America, babes.

Welcome. This is kind of how things go here. I mean, and mind you, that's not like an anti-American thing. It's all over the world. Welcome to human nature, I guess. Oh, yeah. Would be the better phrase there. But the reality is this is, this was kind of in.

inevitable because college football playoff is new. It still has novelty. The NCAA tournament has been around since before you and I were born. Hell, you stack our ages on top of each other. Been around longer than that, right? So why does that matter? There is no longer a novelty to making the NCAA tournament in terms of basketball. The college football playoff, I have nephews and nieces that are older than the college football playoff. Wow. there's a generation of people below me that like, oh, I was alive when they made that thing. So this is, I say this to say, the reality of what we're looking at with the playoff being a spend and all that is going to save people's jobs.

It's going to save people's jobs. It's going to get people raises and bonuses and more money and all that good stuff. Oh, man, you know, I was going to have a bunch of players opt out if we were in the Reliac. Bowl. Oh, oh, man, you know, we saw a whole team out of the Pop-Tart Bowl. Oh, man, please don't say anything to me about the Camping World Sports Bowl.

I don't want to hear it. But you know what you do want to hear about? Playoff game on our campus live at 12 p.m. Saturday. That sounds exciting. It sounds like there are great things happening. And so, you know, it's unfortunate that it's come to this where we're going to see basically 20 at-large bids or 16 at-large bid, something crazy like that, but it's just a way of the world.

Now, the other part of this is, if they expand to 24, which seems increasingly likely, this December could very possibly be the last ACC championship game ever. Because once it goes to 24, they're taking conference championship games away. So I just need to plead. Mario Cristobal, if you're listening to this, you've got to win it this year. Like, you've got to win the ACC because I, it's already, Miami's been a meme.

And I know Mario's not been at Miami for more than the past four years. But for the past 20 some years, Miami never winning the ACC. It's been one of the most powerful memes that the rival fans have to use against me. So we can't let that be a meme into eternity. It's now or never. win the final ACC championship game in 2026 so we can cross that off the bucket list and I can't get trolled by the Florida State fans for that one any longer. Now we're never for you?

Now we're never for you, Dono? You don't even understand how now or never it is for a guy like Dave Doris. Who was the last ACC champion, Dono? Who's the last one? Duke. Duke football. Do you know how far Duke football is away from NC State? Like 20 miles?

I don't know. If I started driving at the beginning of us recording this episode, I would have been on Duke's campus already. Do you know a very fun fact about the power four teams in the state of North Carolina, each and every one of them is in the ACC. Now, that's not particularly unique, but it is somewhat unique in the fact that we have multiple teams and none of them are in any conference except the ACC.

Virginia shares that with us. Every other state, if they've got power four teams, they're split for the most part, right? South Carolina, Florida, yeah. Every single team in the ACC in the state of North Carolina, except one has been to an ACC championship. Every single one of them. Except the one on this tear hat, Dono.

So if you want to talk about now or never, David Dorn, it is time. It is beyond time. It is overdue. It is overcooked like a well-done filet mignon. It's time. I'm calling my shot right now. versus NC State in Charlotte, first weekend of December.

Maybe they'll play to a tie. They'll go through so many overtimes. After six hours, we call it game and we split the championship. How about that? Hey, listen, if they cut that thing down the middle of you and I could go to cowfish or something in Charlotte and have ourselves a good time celebrating it, man. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they used to like, like, because I, you know, I come from the Big East days.

and they didn't have enough teams for a championship game. So there used to be split Big East champions all the time, which I never understood it. It's like Miami's final year in the Big East, they actually had a head-to-head win against West Virginia with the same conference record, but they had them split the conference championship, which didn't make any sense because like, like they played,

like Miami had a head-to-head win. Like how do you split the chance? I know, I still have an extra graeme. about that one. But, you know, we settle it on the field in the ACC, but maybe if you play to enough overtimes and everybody's getting their two-point conversions, we'll just, we'll call a game, we'll split the championship. Yeah, after the 35th overtime, it'll be time. It'll be about 3 a.m. I'll be tired. You'll be tired. Crystal ball will be tired. Nets will be tired. C.J. Bailey will be tired. Dave Dorr will be tired. We'll all agree. Get right church and let's go home.

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