Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - ALL IN: Joe Burrow’s LSU Standard LEADS CHAMPIONSHIP Charge for Bengals, New Leaders Emerge

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Cincinnati Bengals ended minicamp early, and is that the right call? I think it's a veteran team. It makes sense. Let's break it down. You are Locked-on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm Jake Lisk, along with Joe Goodberry, your host of Lockdown Bengals.

Starting point is 00:00:32 We're joined today by Mike Petralia, CLNS Media, and the Jungle Vorg. podcast. He's been with us the last few weeks since the Bengals have been working through OTAs and mini camp. And we thought, Mike, we were going to have three days of practice to talk to you about today. That will not be the case. We're going to talk about the one day of mini camp practice we saw the fact that the Bengals chose to close mini camp early, the offseason practices on the whole, some of the backup players that may or may not have stood out for good or bad reasons. Cassius Howell's early fit and how he's being used so far. And we're going to start, of course, with some of the comments from Joe Burrow and the leadership theme around this team

Starting point is 00:01:12 and the choice to end minicamp early. Today's episode of Lockdown Bengals is brought to you by Odu. Great organizations are great and they win because they do operations better. That's why you should get Odu. Try for free today at Odu.com slash lockdown. That's ODO.O.com slash lockdown tracks. Let's start with the topic of whether the Bengals should have closed minicamp early. It's only a little bit controversial. I think this is relatively common around the league at this

Starting point is 00:01:42 point. Zach Taylor has certainly done this before. I was a little bit surprised, though, that it was two practices I said on yesterday's show. What was your takeaway? What were your thoughts when you learned that there were going to be two fewer practices in minicamp this week? Jake, I don't think it was a big deal whatsoever. I think Joe, Zach Taylor knows his team very well by now. Understand he's going into his seventh year as head coach or eighth year as head coach of the Cincinnati Bengals. And he realizes that these offseason practices, whether they're OTAs, whether it's mini-camp, what have you, is really just a time for a lot of the rookies and second year players to get their feet wet, to get really familiar with the installs that are taking place in the

Starting point is 00:02:29 offseason. That's the primary focus of what the Bengals. are doing at this point in time of the all season. And same with all, like you mentioned, all the other teams. Zach Taylor, I almost think he thought or knew that this subject would be talked about when he banged practice, really after a walkthrough on Wednesday and canceled the program. He essentially said that they got so much work done in phase two of OTAs that right now, they're in a good place. They got all the objectives accomplished that they wanted to do in terms of installs,

Starting point is 00:03:08 in terms of getting the rookies and the second-year players up to speed, that the team's in a good space. And when the team is in a good space and you're at this part of the off-season, just as soon send them off and have nothing freakish happen or occur on the second or next to last day of minicamp, that would be absolutely foolish. So that's really what was going into Zach Taylor's mind or in, to his decision making and deciding to cut the team loose on Wednesday morning. Trags, we'll talk about that practice and maybe what you've seen throughout spring.

Starting point is 00:03:42 But I thought, you know, we didn't have that content. And so instead we get the two press conferences that were, I thought, pretty long. And both guys, Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow talking extensively. But the main theme to me that I picked up on was they continued to talk about the leadership and the culture, almost as if it was an issue in previous years or they didn't find. the leadership they were looking for. Do you think it was more that? Do you think it's more Burrow trying a new style?

Starting point is 00:04:10 Maybe we, Jake and I talked on yesterday's episode, is it Burrow maybe potentially trying to motivate his other teammates and set that Super Bowl standard? What would your read on that? And what do you take from it? So it's a great question, Joe. And I think really what Joe Burrow wants to do is have his team embrace urgency. He wants everybody to understand.

Starting point is 00:04:34 that there is urgency and there's pressure that comes with that associated urgency. And he wants everybody in the room to really look at this as an opportunity. That's why he brought up the 2019 LSU Tigers. 2018 for LSU was a good year for Joe Burrow, his first year at LSU after transferring from Ohio State. They went 10 and 3. They beat UCF in the Fiesta Bowl. and I'm writing about this on CLNSCinCi.com. That was what laid the groundwork for the 2019 team.

Starting point is 00:05:11 You know what's laid the groundwork for these 2026 Bengals? The offseason the front office had. To me, Joe Burrow was like, okay, the front office went out and did what they were supposed to do. Maybe they did even more than even Joe Burrow had hoped they would do to fix, namely, the defense. It's up to us now. And we've heard that, we heard that from Joe Burrow in his first press conference of the off season, and we heard it again in so many words, different words, on Wednesday. We better be ready to embrace the pressure, bring it on is what he said.

Starting point is 00:05:43 What was interesting about it, guys, is when he started talking about that, he was kind of slouched in his chair back a little bit like Joe Burrow was want to do in those press conferences. When he talked about the pressure, he came up to the microphone at the dais. His head was clearly above the mic like he wanted everybody to see his face and see the seriousness with which he was talking about pressure, embracing pressure, and the need to perform when the chips are down. And I don't think he thought the team responded to that at all last year. I think it's going to be a different story this year. I think the comparison to the LSU team might be underappreciated by Bengals fans who weren't closely following. LSU before that 2019 season or even after the 2019 season.

Starting point is 00:06:33 I heard from an LSU fan who brought up how reluctant anyone around that program is to compare anything to 2019, even the Jaden Daniels offense, which was by many measures just as productive as a Joe Burrow offense, they weren't making that comparison. So for Joe Burrow to do it himself, that is something sacrosanct around the LSU football program and drawing those comparisons tells you that he is confident, and we talked about this a little bit yesterday, in a way that he hasn't been since he's played for the Cincinnati Bengals. I think that's a way of raising the bar for himself, too.

Starting point is 00:07:10 I mean, this isn't just about Joe Burrow wanting his teammates to get better and respond better. It's about Joe Burrow wanting to pick up his own level of play. And his numbers are always going to be there because that's the style of game he plays. You know, Zach Taylor makes no bones of business. He makes no secret about the fact that we want Joe Burrow having the ball in his hands when the game is on the line. We want him having the ball in his hands, for goodness sakes, for the whole majority of the game offensively. But I think with that comes some responsibility to take better care of the ball, make better decisions if you're Joe Burrow. And, you know, last year he was still dealing with that foot injury, that toe injury, even at the end of the year.

Starting point is 00:07:53 He was getting used to that device in his right foot that was protecting his big toe. I don't think that doubt or that concern is going to be there this year. I think he is going to, pardon the pun, hit the ground running come training camp, and I think he's going to be ready to go not only physically, but mentally as well. Let's talk a little bit about where the leadership is going to come from. It was such a theme on Monday. We will get to how this Bengals leadership corps is. shaping up with a lot of veteran free agent additions being a big part of that coming up next.

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Starting point is 00:09:52 You know, even I've seen different reactions already in comments when, you know, watching the Joe Burrow press conference or even talking about it yesterday on the podcast, Jake. Some people like outward confidence. I feel like I do when I see that. I tend to go like, yes, like Joe Burrow. Like this is what I want to hear. This team's going to be good.

Starting point is 00:10:08 I buy into that pretty quickly. Other people, it scares them at times or see it as off putting. And I wonder like the leadership aspect that they're looking for here. It seems like Burrow was more of the, uh, it on the field and prove yourself kind of guy the first couple years, right? And they did. They proved it in a lot of ways. So I think people looked at him right away and was like, yes, the leader of the team, of course, first overall pick, Heisman winner, had that aura about him coming out of LSU to begin with. But now it seems like a deliberate effort to change his style,

Starting point is 00:10:38 even called it a mean leadership style, maybe being a little bit more direct. I find that very interesting in how that's going to go, that he sees, maybe he and other people in leadership, see that as the path to take with this team in 2026. Mike, how will we know that it's right? It's really hard to measure leadership, especially us outside the building. Can you guys see that? Can you feel it from the beat? And how will we ever know if it works or not other than the results on Sunday?

Starting point is 00:11:06 Well, results on Sunday, Joe, is going to be the only measure of whether or not that's working. And that's because we don't get a chance to go in the locker room when Burrow is addressing the team and there's reason for that. Now maybe there might be some moments where NFL films captures him immediately following post game, but he's not going to be on any quarterback feature. He's not going to be on any that we know of. He's not going to be on any specialty NFL program like Joe Flacco was last year. We could talk about that at another time and place. But we don't get to see Joe Burrow addressing the team in good times, bad times, and all the times in between. What's going to be interesting, and Dan Picture told us this after Joe Burrow spoke on Wednesday,

Starting point is 00:11:53 he said, what's going to be really important is that Joe Burrow is direct, sincere, and using his own words. Be more blunt, was the term that Dan Picture used on Wednesday. And if his teammates believe that it's coming from a genuine place, then those teammates are going to listen to Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow is not one who's going to be yelling and screaming all the time on every little mistake that is made on the field, practice field, game field, regardless. It doesn't matter. He's going to pick his time in place. And if guys are making crucial mistakes and crucial parts of the game, that's when he's going to bring the hammer down, I think, and he's going to pick his times and places to get through to the players. I'm writing about this as well. The only time, that I can remember Joe Burrow kind of losing it. Guys, do you remember the Tennessee game in 2024? And him losing it with Zach Taylor on the sideline. That's the only time where I'm like, I've had it.

Starting point is 00:12:59 You know, I'm done with us. And that was in a win. That was a sloppy victory. That was the one I think Jordan Battle dropped the pick six at the goal line. Bengals won the game, and that was fine. They were still in the playoff hunt. But he was so ticked off at the way they were. playing the game and not executing. Go back to that game. Watch his words to Zach Taylor.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Those are going to be the kind of words and messaging you should look for from Joe Burrow this year towards the 2026 Bengals. Yeah, I found it interesting when Burrow was discussing what it means to be a mean leader, what that looks like. And he talked about being more direct in the moment when somebody makes a mistake. I'm going to address it right away is roughly the paraphrasing of what he said. And it'll be interesting to see how that. plays out in training camp, if that's something that happens in front of the crowds in the summer, in the heat. You could.

Starting point is 00:13:52 And absolutely could. I also found it interesting that he discussed the genesis of it, and it came from him soliciting the feedback from his teammates. Like, this is a kind of leadership approach that we think is right for you. The other thing that stood out, as he was discussing all this, was, and I'm going to talk to you about this, tracks, because you covered him for a long time up in the Northeast, is the, I immediately thought Tom Brady when he talked about being more direct, being a little bit meaner, because Tom would get after it.

Starting point is 00:14:22 And Tom would get after guys when there were mistakes in New England. Did any of that come to mind for you? Because, you know, we hear the Brady-Barrow comparisons, but they have different vocal leadership styles. And the Tom is fiery as heck. And Burrow has a different approach. Do you think that there's a little bit of a change here coming for Burrow? He is not going to try to be Tom Brady. And I've talked to Joe, because Joe knows I covered the Patriots in Tom Brady for 20 years.

Starting point is 00:14:52 He's not going to try to be that. I remember going up to Joe in the locker room. And it was a couple of years ago. And I joked about he was trying to channel his inner Brady with some messaging that he was doing in a press conference about being perfect and expecting the same from his teammates. and something to that extent. And he just looked at me and he said, Mike, you know I'm not, you know I'm not Tom. And those words stuck with me because I don't, I think Burrow is very aware of that comparison. Are there pieces of Brady's leadership style that he could pick and choose at the times that make the most sense?

Starting point is 00:15:39 Sure, he could do that. But he's not going to, Tom Brady was in that go mode. pretty much from the second he entered the building till the second he left late at night. That was Tom Brady. I'm not saying Joe Burrow doesn't work hard. He definitely does. But he is not going to get in people's faces.

Starting point is 00:15:59 And he is, I don't think he's going to get in people's faces the way Brady did as often as Brady did. Let's put it that way. There's also, to me, there's such a fine line between the way Brady did it. And then, like, you see Rogers do it. not to, I mean, Aaron Rogers' great career. Early in career, maybe this looked a little bit different than it has the last few years. But sometimes Rogers looks a little petulant doing it on the field.

Starting point is 00:16:23 So there's a fine line. Like, you have to have the credibility to back it up or it's going to look a different way than it does when Tom Brady did it. Well, I mean, Tom Brady, you know this about, know this about Tom Brady. You were not getting the ball if you didn't know the playbook. Period. End of story. There were many terrific. Well, I shouldn't say that. There were many good receivers who never got their hands on the football there.

Starting point is 00:16:50 Is that why Chad didn't it? Probably see the ball when he was there? So I was going to go there, Joe. In 2011, the one year that Chad Johnson played with Brady in New England, he did not get the ball much because they ran a very specific route tree in New England and a lot of short and intermediate routes that weren't necessarily. necessarily Ocho's bread and butter. I mean, intermediate to long, obviously,

Starting point is 00:17:20 and the way he ran those routes was incredible. But I'll never forget in Super Bowl 46. When Chad Johnson made, Ocho made a play for a Brady pass over the middle, it was a spectacular catch. It might have even been like a bench route. I can't remember specifically. He comes back to the sideline, or it comes back to the huddle, and Brady yells at him.

Starting point is 00:17:45 That's why we brought you here. That's why you're here. That's why you're here. And it was such a classic Brady moment of when somebody like a Chad, finally the light goes on in his head, he's going to light him up with encouragement and positivity. And that moment is the one Brady Ocho moment that stands out more than any other. Yeah, you know, I think about that.

Starting point is 00:18:10 And if there's people that are newer fans, We've got a lot of newer fans since the borough era. If you don't remember Chad, Chad was so deceptive. He would run his routes. He would be so agile, so explosive. But the depth and timing wasn't always perfect. I remember Carson Palmer bringing that up quite a few times on some pick sixes and things like that, just like you need to be at a higher level of perfection and detail.

Starting point is 00:18:31 That's exactly Tom Brady in a nutshell. If you weren't, I mean, you weren't talking about three yards. You were talking about a half yard to a yard. margin of error on your routes, on your cuts, on your slants, on your, you know, out and goes, whatever. You had to be precise. And if you weren't, you were not getting involved from Tom Brady. I feel like Joe has some of that, too. Like the precision, not necessarily the fire, but the precision, like the way that he talks about exactly, like he's talking about, I want you to take that step differently on your release. Or when you're stemming this route, I want you to be a half

Starting point is 00:19:09 yard more outside, not just the landmark for where the ball is going, but also the landmarks along the way in those routes. I do want to talk a little bit about who the captains might shake out to be on this team before we get to the rest of our notes here that we want to empty the notebook a little bit before summer break, as it were, between the end of minicamp and training camp coming up in over a month late July. We'll get to those topics to finish just episode of lockdown Bengals coming up next. Guys, don't you want that same sense of readiness and confidence in your own lives that athletes have in the biggest moments? That's where Ruggiat comes in.

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Starting point is 00:20:46 Mike, let's hit this defensive captaincy topic because I wonder how many players that were on the Cincinnati Bengals roster last year, or even in the running, to be defensive captains this year. I can think of one in particular, but Dexter Lawrence and Brian Cook are, to me right now,

Starting point is 00:21:03 leaders in the clubhouse? What is your feel on how the leadership core is coming together, especially on that defense side of the ball, where a lot of the veterans, they added, Jonathan Allen, another one, are going to be in leadership roles this year. Okay. With captaincies, I'd like to not overthink it. And let's go with the obvious. Dexter Lawrence and Brian Cook, you sometimes tab players to be leaders because you want them

Starting point is 00:21:30 to be the leaders. And I think the Bengals want those two guys. They figure those two guys are going to be on the field all the time. or nearly all the time. And then the third one on defense, and I do think there will be three, is DJ Turner. I think he has shown the most growth. I think the Bengals realize he is their future in the secondary. I also think it means something that DJ Turner didn't have to be at a lot of the voluntary

Starting point is 00:21:56 OTA practices and was. That's a big, big deal. And talk about leading by example. That's one way you do it. And not to disparage Dax Hill at all, I think Dax has does have some quiet leadership capability and abilities. But I think D.J. Turner has taken that next step this off season. The fact that he was willing to come to practice, didn't pull a Trey Hendrickson and didn't pull a Schmar Stewart. None of that.

Starting point is 00:22:27 It was all good vibes only. I think that is something that the defense can and should look to build upon. Mike, let's talk about some of the things you may have saw this spring. It looks like there may be a rotation or a competition. We said maybe potentially full-bone competition at the slot cornerback position. It looks like we have seen Jalen Davis, Jaseer, Taylor, and even Braylin Lux get in there. I'm hoping to see maybe some big packages of Kyle Dugger get into that spot as well. Right.

Starting point is 00:22:53 How do you see that playing out? Is that an area where the Bengals see it as they don't have an answer? And maybe we could be looking for a signing there before training camp. Or is it we like these three guys and we're going to let it sort it out as the, summer goes. Keep an eye on Josh Newton. Not only did he make that play when he picked off Joe Burrow on a pass intended for T. Higgins on Tuesday, the only day of minicamp practice. But he's been showing a lot of grit and determination. He's been all over the field. And I think he's looked really good. I mean, just to my naked eye, and I know a lot of teammates have been flocking to him and have been

Starting point is 00:23:33 giving him words of encouragement. You are not on the field with the first team unit, even if it's mandatory minicamp, unless the coaches want to see something from you. That is something I would keep in mind with regard to when people ask, what's the significance of these mini camp practices, these OTAs. Well, if you are on the field with the first team unit and reppping with those guys, that means that the coaching staff wants to see how you look with the first team unit. and Josh Newton was.

Starting point is 00:24:06 And does that mean he could be, you know, on an outside corner if one of, you know, if Dax or DJ go down? Sure, that could be. But it could also be that they like the way Figg is playing the slot. And maybe how he could play, you know, a smaller receiver, a faster receiver can keep up with him. Just the versatility. I'm fascinated to see how Al Golden. shapes up the competition.

Starting point is 00:24:35 And I do think, Joe, to your point, I think it will be a competition for that slot corner. Everybody assumes, and I think for pretty good reason, that Jalen Davis is the leader in the clubhouse going into the offseason, but a lot can change in the next, you know, six weeks. I was under the impression that Newton was out there

Starting point is 00:24:54 because Dax Hill missed at least the competitive portions of practice on Tuesday. Was Newton also in the slot? What's that? Was Newton also in the slot? lot in that back? He was moving around, Jake. He was moving all over the field. And Braylon Lux was also, Braille and Lux got the majority of the 10 snaps. I didn't keep strict count. But Braleen Lux got a majority of the snaps in the slot. And Newton was on the outside, but he also moved inside a little bit as well. Speaking of this time of year,

Starting point is 00:25:27 you mentioned earlier, Trags being mostly for the newcomers, the second year players, or rookies, Cassius Howell, the most significant rookie for the Bengals this year. What have you seen from him so far? There hasn't honestly been a ton of noise around Cassius Howe, but I think that the Bengals are looking for him to be a part of this past rush rotation and a contributor. What have been your takeaways watching Cassius Howe so far this spring? Pretty much that they're trying to see how quick his speed are and how quick his hips turn

Starting point is 00:25:57 because that's why they want to see if he can drop in coverage. And if he does and if he's asked to do that, how quick is he? And how comfortable is he doing that? And more than just the college film tape, they know what he's done and put on film at Texas A&M. But given the communication and the way the scheme looks with the Bengals at the NFL level, will Cassius Howell will be comfortable there as well. I am not going to sit here on June, whatever this is, 18th,

Starting point is 00:26:28 and tell you that the Bengals have this in line for Cassius Howell, because they don't know until you put the pads on, until you get more game speed reps under his belt. You really don't know how he's going to respond. And I said the same thing about Shamar Stewart last year, and he missed a lot of time, but look how quickly he made up time heading into the latter part of the preseason last year.

Starting point is 00:26:55 He looked good. then in the regular season opener against Cleveland, he looked good, got hurt, and he wasn't the same after that. Yeah, that's right. And, you know, the Bengals, Burl talked about having not just the top end of the roster this year would be really good in past years, something like that, but he felt like 50 through 55 and plus

Starting point is 00:27:15 would be actual competition and good players this year. It makes me wonder what depth guys are potentially standing out. We see some of the big plays and highlights. Charlie Jones' catch down the sideline Fag Newton, awesome play for a depth player, role player. Maybe he can actually do something in a regular season game at receiver would be awesome. We know he's a good return man. But as anyone else stood out to you, have you written anyone down in your notes, maybe

Starting point is 00:27:37 of, you know, there's a, we brought up Fag Newton already, but is there anyone else that maybe you're like, that guy, you know, he looks quicker, maybe it looks bigger, maybe he's being used differently. Anyone you can give us? Andre Yosevosh, and I know Joe Burrow built him up a little bit yesterday in his press conference and that was not by accident. I think he has seen Yoshi try to become stronger and tougher down the field on the 50-50 balls, which is something he came under a little bit of scrutiny, a lot of scrutiny for last year. He did make that one catch. I think it was last week in

Starting point is 00:28:15 OTAs. That was a terrific catch, kind of like the Charlie Jones ball that Charlie caught on Tuesday. a similar play, Joe Burrow has noticed a difference in Yoshi. And I think he would love to see Yoshi step up and become that third wide receiver. And I know that's not necessarily a depth position that you're talking about, guys, but that is somebody who's stuck out in terms of taking a next step. And I've noticed him. Also, I would say on defense, DJ Ivy is somebody who, continues to make steps forward and nothing gets talked about him.

Starting point is 00:28:58 I mean, he just doesn't get talked about. He's going to be an important special teams player. There is no question about that. Certainly, I think when it comes to, you know, filling some roles on spots for guys that, like Tyson Anderson left, I think DJ Ivy could be that Tyson Anderson player coming this year. I find that Yosevaas discourse to be so interesting, Mike, because there is a large section of the fan base

Starting point is 00:29:28 I think that's just had it with Yoshi. The comments that we get, and I'm sure we'll get on this video now for the people that are here with us at the end of this one. Yep. Are pretty consistent, like, go get DeAndre Hopkins.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Like, man, the Bengals need a third receiver upgrade. They really need that wide receiver three upgrade. I feel like as well, Joe Burrow has, at times, gassed up his guys with wide receiver, and we see varying results in the regular season, where for the most part, I believe Joe Burrow, when he talks, and I think that he's very deliberate, and we talked earlier about how specific invoking 2019 LSU is, I wonder what we'll see from Yoseva's this year, because you're getting a different mentality from him as well.

Starting point is 00:30:13 The way he was talking with media in the locker room, seems like his personality has shifted a little bit. And he talked about how his approach is shifted. I think that'll be really interesting to watch this year. A competitive fire. That's what I think the Bengals are hoping Yoshi shows this year after hearing all the criticism. And goodness knows that we are now aware that Yoshi heard all of the criticism. And he was very vocal about how that impacted him in a very serious nature on social media. But, you know, a lot of the fan base is like, you know, okay, enough of complaining about it, go out and prove it. And Yoshi is like, well, you haven't seen anything yet.

Starting point is 00:30:53 I'm going to go out and just say, I don't care what the criticism is out there. I'm shutting all of that noise out. And I'm going to show you what I'm capable of this year. I do think that will be very fascinating to watch. You can find Trags at CLNSCinC.com for all of his write-ups. He said he's working on a couple of things here as we're getting ready to see the Bengals take a break between June and late July, you can find his podcast, of course, as well at Jungle Roar podcast. And he's been with us for the last three weeks here on Lockdown Bengals.

Starting point is 00:31:26 And we appreciate the time and insights from Trags on all of those episodes. But that's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Until next time, thanks for listening. Hootay. And have a good.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - ALL IN: Joe Burrow’s LSU Standard LEADS CHAMPIONSHIP Charge for Bengals, New Leaders Emerge

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