Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Another Devastating Loss For The Cincinnati Bengals Against The Baltimore Ravens

Starting point is 00:00:00 It's hard to think of anything more frustrating than watching Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase do what they did and lose. Again, let's break it down. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm Jake Liskow. He's James Rapin. We are your hosts of Lockdown Bengals here on the Lockdown Podcast.

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Starting point is 00:01:21 Jamar Chase 264, three of those touchdowns, a scorching performance from those guys on a day when, boy, it felt like no one else showed up. Yeah, it was the Joe and Jamar show, they put the team on their back and it, it wasn't enough. I mean, there's so many things to dive into and to discuss the way this team came out and they take the lead early. And then

Starting point is 00:01:47 they come out in the third quarter and really seize the momentum. And then the everything after that where it felt like the Ravens were just going to run away with the game scoring 21 straight. And Joe Burrow and Jamar Chay said, you're not. That's not what's going to happen. We're too good. We're too talented. And they damn near won the game. And you come up a play short, a decision short, an error short, a, and you weave in there, an MVP in Lamar Jackson, the worst tackling an NFL history on an 84-yard touchdown that I'm sure we'll get to. Like, there was a mixture of errors, lack of playmaking, and then there was Joe Bro and Jamar Chase.

Starting point is 00:02:33 and that's how good they are is it got to 35, 34, and the Bengals decided to go for two there. I think that that's a huge storyline. So let's kind of start there. What did you think about that when Joe Burrow somehow finds Jamar Chase? Jamar Chase gets open again after going for, I think he was at 259 at that time with a 67-yard touchdown and a 70-yard touchdown in the second half.

Starting point is 00:03:01 and Joe finds Jamar for a touchdown that made it 35-34 with 37 seconds left in the fourth quarter. That was Jamar's 10th touchdown of the year, correct? Ten touchdowns through 10 games? That's pretty good. I mean, incredible throw. And that's beating the coverage that he nearly threw the pick on earlier or a very similar coverage where he's essentially got three defenders

Starting point is 00:03:26 over two receivers and they're trying to high-low, but then there's two defenders that he ends up high-low. lowing and then they both go high and then he throws it over them anyway. I mean, it's as perfect as a throw can be. And Jamar Chase running that route well enough to get behind those two guys. I mean, that that play is perfection. The play that follows it is very frustrating that they don't convert the two-point conversion. Maybe it's even frustrating that they take the time out, but the decision to go for two at the time I supported and I think I still support. And here's my rationale. There's what, 38 seconds left or something in the game? And you're kicking the ball

Starting point is 00:04:01 back to the Ravens either way. You're either kicking the ball back to the Ravens with a one point lead or a one point deficit as they did or you're kicking the ball back to the Ravens in a tie game. Either with a one point lead or in a tie game, the Ravens with two timeouts. Is that right at that point? That is right. They had two. Okay, so two timeouts left for the Ravens who just need to get to Justin Tucker arranged to win the game either way in regulation. The only reason you don't go for two there because at that point, do you have any confidence? in the defense to get a stop and overtime if you need to. You've given up four straight touchdowns after Chase Brown's fumble.

Starting point is 00:04:37 I don't. So you give yourself a chance to win in regulation if you make the two-point conversion. You give yourself a chance that Baltimore doesn't have enough time to get into field goal range, which maybe they do either way. But that chance is just as present, even in a tie game, if they kick the extra point. And this is why I landed on still being in support of the decision to go for two, even if the outcome is and what we wanted there, because even in a tie game,

Starting point is 00:05:02 the Ravens have a chance to go win it in regulation. The only argument that you can make is that maybe the Ravens are a little bit less aggressive in a tie game, knowing that they have overtime to fall back on. But I just don't buy it. I think the Ravens are trying their hardest to win in regulation regardless of that play.

Starting point is 00:05:19 So I think that that's why I land on it being totally fine and where I was initially on trying to win the game in regulation with your best players. which are Joe Burrow and Jemar Chase. Unfortunately, the play didn't go to Jemar there, but yeah, I think I end up fine with it. I'm more than fine with it. In fact, it would have been the opposite.

Starting point is 00:05:40 Had Zach kicked the extra point to tie it, I would have been extremely critical. The same way I would have been critical, or was critical, of Tampa Bay against Kansas City and what happened on Monday night. And it's pretty similar. I think the difference in really, because there's a lot of people that say kick it.

Starting point is 00:05:58 And so now they're rolling their eyes at us because we both agree. To me, when did you feel more comfortable? When Lamar Jackson had the ball and he was laughing after throwing an incompletion to get to third down at the five-yard line, the clock stops and he's just giggling like he's playing flag full ball and has no worry in the world about picking it up on third down, picking up the touchdown. And he did, by the way, the jump shot to Rashad Bateman. And it looks like Todd's play.

Starting point is 00:06:25 It does. It does. And so what was more uncomfortable or scarier? Lamar? Or were you more comfortable with the defense on the field or the offense? I was more comfortable with the offense and Joe Burrow. Even on fourth and ten, I was like, I don't think he's just going to throw four straight in completions.

Starting point is 00:06:43 Like, I think he's going to complete something here. Will it be enough to get to the sticks? And he got it right to the sticks with Yosumash. But, yeah, like, trust Joe, trust what you have, and go for it. totally get it. Go for two, get it. And then your defense can be aggressive and be like, all right, we got to get a stop here and we win the game. And it is that simple. It doesn't mean send everyone on an all-out bliss. That's not what I mean. But be aggressive as in your three plays away from ending the game, four plays away from ending the game. You don't know that if it's tied.

Starting point is 00:07:18 And so I have no issues with going for it. I have issues with how the play went down. because Mike Gisicki is just tackled, basically. I mean, grabbed by at least two guys. And Joe Burrow, I mean, I think his helmet still being grabbed right now at M&T Bank Stadium. I'm not sure the Bengals escaped Baltimore with it, with the way that went. And I hate that that game with Lamar being awesome, scoring on four straight touchdowns and just looking like the MVP, rallying his team back from a 21-7 deficit,

Starting point is 00:07:51 Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase responding multiple times in saying, no, we are not going to lose our chances of winning the AFC North tonight. And it come down to that final play and it partially get decided by the officials. It's not the only reason, of course. There's a bunch of other stuff we'll get to, but it was a reason. And I hate that because it should have been a clean

Starting point is 00:08:13 final play to determine the outcome. Yeah, the penalty slant was against Baltimore, but Baltimore is like the least disciplined team in the NFL. And the Bengals are one of the most disciplined teams in the NFL. So you should have expected that from a flag, happy crew and for whatever reason they decided to swallow flags and whistles i guess more whistles and flags on that final drive where joe burrows hit in the head twice neither is called gaseki is clearly held he flops a little bit which maybe is why the officials don't throw the flag i don't know

Starting point is 00:08:41 maybe they saw the flop and not the initial hold i don't know how you miss it it's it's very blatant i'm i think he was doing that because he had been held before and he wasn't getting him and he's like all right fine then I'm just going to be I'm just going to do it like show that I'm being held it's just another argument in favor of a video assistant for stuff like that where like I do worry about it in the NFL because there's that whole adage that you could call holding on every play but for stuff like that like it clearly impacts the play that's part of the primary read of the play it's a high low with Kaseki and Chase over there and Burrow comes off it and goes to the other side with Tanner Hudson or maybe it's not even the best decision.

Starting point is 00:09:25 Maybe he can hang in there and throw it to Jamar Chase, but man, did they have issues with pressure in this game as well? And so when we talk about, yeah, there were some blown calls there, and that is a problem, and I don't mean to minimize it because I think that it's blatant, Terry McCauley, who is an official consultant for the Thursday night broadcast, agreed. There's plenty of other things that we could talk about that the Bengals had control over in this game that went wrong,

Starting point is 00:09:47 from Chase Brown's fumble to protection issues to the defense wilting in the second half, the offense not taking advantage of when the defense was actually, actually standing up and getting five of six drives for the Ravens to start this game to end in punts. Four, three and outs? Five three and outs? Four three and outs? Five points. Five punts, four three and outs. On six percent, the first six possessions.

Starting point is 00:10:09 Yeah, not counting the one that ended the half. But the complimentary football just wasn't there. And so plenty more to get to in this one. The frustration and disappointment continuing here will continue breaking down what happened on Thursday night football next. For most of us that like collecting cards, the idea of spending two grand or more on a Luca Ellie, maybe a Mahomes rookie card just isn't in the carts. I love collecting, and that's some serious money to drop for even the biggest collectors. But thanks to slab packs from arena club.com, it's possible to score gemmints for a fraction

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Starting point is 00:12:44 the defense is where a lot of people are going to look in the second half, especially. especially for straight touchdown drives after getting off to such a good start and including a play that I've deemed the worst tackling in NFL history. And I tweeted it. I'm going to say it on every platform. I hope the guys involved see it because it was the worst tackling in NFL history. The Thailand wallets 84-yard are unforgivable. It's right up there with William Jackson on the sideline. Speaking of nightmares and tackling tackling past. Because Levi-on Bell was at least a baller.

Starting point is 00:13:18 So, yeah, letting Tyler Wallace victimize you like that in a crucial moment is not so good. On a third and two, no less, like a third and two where you're leading the game, in fact. And this is after you've chosen to punt the ball from the 40, which is one of two punts or turnovers for the Bengals inside Ravens territory in this game. It's hard for me to be too mad at the defense on the one hand, James, but then on the other hand of just as frustrated with the defense as I am with anything else. and they're not absolved from anything. Like on the one hand, and it's like the angel and the devil sitting on my shoulder, on the one hand, they get all those punts at the beginning of the game.

Starting point is 00:13:58 And if the offense can capitalize when you've forced one, two, three punts in the first half, giving up one touchdown, if the offense can really seize that momentum there and not have their own three and out or their own seven play four-yard drive and have to punt the ball back a couple of times. And it's hard. I get it. It's not easy to just go score on every drive. If it was, the Bengals would have scored 50 points plus

Starting point is 00:14:26 they would have won the game. But if they capitalize on those early opportunities before the end of the half and credit the offense for doing so at the end of the half to get to 14 to 7 going into the half, then maybe that's enough because the defense comes out in the second half and they force another punt. The Bengals score another touchdown.

Starting point is 00:14:43 21-7. And what happens next, the Bengals defense forces another punt? I mean, not my wildest dreams, James, did I think the Bengals could get out to a 21 to 7 lead in this game on the backs of the defense forcing that many punts? The way that the offense repays them is Chase Brown giving up the ball, deep in their own territory, and then things really go off the rails. I mean, the defense did not finish this game. Camp Taylor Britt had a golden opportunity for an interception preceding the Ravens final touchdown would have been a game-changing play. Yep. But I mean, Justin Tucker even missed a field goal, an extra point in this game for crying out loud.

Starting point is 00:15:29 And the Bengals offense in these critical moments just couldn't play complimentary football between the two turnovers on downs, the fumble, not taking advantage of some of those early punts. it is a total team effort at that point but can i get a single play from the defense down the stretch clearly the answer is no as this team continues to struggle to finish games especially against good teams they don't have anyone that can make a play with the game online and i'll say it again because people are going to like oh well what about nope i'm not 91 to i he he deserve t o 91 2 he deserves just as much criticism it's a one-on-one with ronnie

Starting point is 00:16:08 Stanley and you know going into tonight that you need trey hendrickson to show up and get after lamar jackson was lamar jackson sack tonight nope i had his his chance in the second half too got his hands got his hands around lamar like around the the figure of lamar didn't touch him i was a third down too wasn't it i believe it was i just mean like what is going on it just it's it's frustrating because in those got-to-have-it moments, they are the opposite, right? After the fumble, it's like, all right, well, this defense, they're playing great.

Starting point is 00:16:47 And they suddenly just forget to contain, forget to tackle, and then Lamar just dances his way down, all the way down to the one. Well, now it's a touchdown. We know it right then. Now we know they're scoring a touchdown. You're not holding them to a field goal. You're not winning this situation.

Starting point is 00:17:01 and I think the second half was a mixture of the defense. Can't get off the field after early grabbing momentum. And they did, and they deserve credit for that. Jermar Chase scores, they go up 21-7. They get another stop. Chase Brown fumbles. And so it's 21-14. In this Bengals offense gets to the 40-yard line.

Starting point is 00:17:28 And it's second in 16. they had a loss. I forget exactly what happened. It was the only clean sack of the game for the Ravens that didn't involve like zero or one-yard loss on a scramble from Burroughs. It was the only clean sack of the game to get them to second and seven,

Starting point is 00:17:42 second and 16. So second and 16 and you're at the 40, you're like, all right, you're in Ravens territory. You got to get a field goal here. Like so you go back up 10. Like literally in my head, I'm like, all right, well, there's, you know, it's early fourth quarter. You'll go back up 10 and it doesn't happen.

Starting point is 00:17:59 The Ravens get pressure in both plays. The third down play, you throw to Jamar Chase right at the first down. On third and 16, I want seven yards in a field goal attempt. And they didn't do that. And so you punt from your 40. I DM'd you. That stinks.

Starting point is 00:18:15 And so then when you combine that, when you combine the whoever it is, decision-making, play, calling, whatever on offense with the defense that had the worst tackling play in NFL history, now suddenly it's 21-20. and the crowd is all the way back in it. The momentum has completely shifted. And in this defense is suddenly searching. And Lamar Jackson's like, oh, I just summoned my powers again.

Starting point is 00:18:41 And it's that quick. And the switch flipped. And that's, that's really, really hard to overcome. Yeah, there was a period in the game where they actually were getting pressure

Starting point is 00:18:49 that was affecting Lamar Jackson in the passing game. Then we're getting sacks. But for a few drives there, when they're up 217, when they're up 217 for a couple of drives. I guess one of them ends, very quickly in a touchdown,

Starting point is 00:19:02 but they're at 14-7 and then 21-7 for the first two drives of the second half of the Ravens. They actually were impacting the passing game a little bit with pressure. They were bottling up Derek Henry in this game, and once again, they did a pretty good job against the Ravens run game, which is awesome. And the Bengals run D hasn't been awesome, but again, they did a pretty good job in this game.

Starting point is 00:19:23 And then suddenly you're just getting torched by Tyler Wallace. I mean, you follow. of that up with uh do you think you could have do you think you could have tackled tylon wallace if you were gino stone no let's be real but i mean you no you could have all of our listeners could have too because all you have to do is push him out of bounds what the hell was he doing what was not a good game for gino stone to be kind that was the worst tackle attempt in the history of the nfl too that was the worst of the three it was bad it was so bad i mean it was so bad i don't even think he touched him. I think he like chopped the grass. Like I'm not sure he made contact with Tyler

Starting point is 00:20:08 Wallace, which how do you, how do you miss him? He didn't juke you. How do you do that? I don't know. No. Got a little bit more to get to here, James. We haven't really talked much about the protection issues in this game. Joe Burroughs stepping up around those protection issues. Any other closing thoughts here? Been a frustrating season. And really no exception here in this one. We'll continue the show and wrap up a disappointing loss coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by LinkedIn. When you're hiring for your small business,

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Starting point is 00:22:30 Obviously, it was a deep-balled of Jermaine Burton. Do you go for it? Do you kick it? It would have been a 51-yarder. What do you do? I'm fine with going for it. They had an open guy there. Burrow, I think, got sped up a little bit.

Starting point is 00:22:43 And so he took the one-on-one with a guy that has shown the ability to win those verticals this year. Not often, but he's shown the ability to do it. And Burroughs hit those throughout his career. He's been awesome in those. So I can see wide the throw went where it did. But they run this little pick play action out of the bunch with Yosovash running a clearout, Jamar Chase running a little drag that's like seven yards deep

Starting point is 00:23:07 and totally booty butt wide open, naked wide open, whatever you want to call it, whatever they call it. I don't remember the words. Booty butt naked open? Is that what somebody said that one? It's butt naked, I think. I don't even think you need to say. I think booty was anyway.

Starting point is 00:23:24 Point is they had a guy. I opened for first down there. And it was frustrating to see another deep and complete pass to Jermaine Burton on fourth down. If he makes either of those plays, you feel so differently about it, but he didn't. And Joe didn't and Burton didn't. For whatever reason, they did not connect, weren't where they needed the ball to be. And so I don't end up liking that it's go balls on two straight plays on that one, the third and two and then the fourth and two.

Starting point is 00:23:54 but I don't dislike the decision to go forward on fourth down and give yourself an opportunity to go up 28, 20 in that situation. Yeah, I would have kicked it. And I had the tweet in my draft and I was like, I don't want everyone saying that they would have or they would. I just don't, and I know it's probably not the most, it won't be the most back thing by our viewers. But 51-yarder, you go up 2420,

Starting point is 00:24:23 and then it just it changes it changes everything like you're down three when the ravens go down and score right and they don't go for two to get to 28 and you're not chasing as much and uh you don't you don't have to go for that two-point conversion at the end if everything holds true but i i get it and i get hey if a guy's open and joe hits them then you keep the drive moving they did it early in the game so I understand the logic but points are points and to not get any there what was so huge especially because of the way some of these drives were derailed and let's get into the pressure i mean joe burrow was hit i feel awful for him can you imagine the flight they're flying back it's like 1 30 in the morning right now as we record this eastern time so they're in the air right now

Starting point is 00:25:11 probably he's got to be so sore and just black because he took a beating tonight I can't imagine how it feels to be Joe Burrow right now. Because, yeah, he had a couple of balls that could have been picked. He wasn't perfect. But he was really damn good. Yeah. The stats bear that out, the performance bears that out. I think that, like I said, again, he wasn't perfect.

Starting point is 00:25:38 But, man, he is 60% of this offense, at least, and that's being very generous to other things. Like he and Jamar. I mean, oh, they're, tonight they were, what, 80%. Yeah, but like, but like I'm counting everything from like, yeah, to play calling to protection, like all of the things that go into making an NFL offense work, the run game, all of that stuff. And I was worried this would happen because it kind of came up last week against the

Starting point is 00:26:11 Raiders, but it didn't matter because the Raiders are so bad. Joe Burroughs creating outside of structure so much. Yeah. And the degree of difficulty is so high. And you've heard this criticism of Zach Taylor's offenses before, and I didn't agree before. Because while it wasn't necessarily like they were scheming guys open per se, the structure of the offense was still creating quite a bit. That wasn't really the case tonight, right?

Starting point is 00:26:42 And part of that is the playmakers they don't have. Early in the game, the Ravens were playing a lot of zone. Joe Burrow was dicing up the zone, was able to distribute the ball a little bit more. The Ravens made a shift. to start playing more man, and they were still mixing zone in, they weren't just doing one or the other, but the splits that some people posted tonight when Burrow was throwing against man

Starting point is 00:27:01 versus when he was throwing against zone are stark. Because when they're playing man, they're doubling Jamar, and that makes it harder, and they're getting pressure with four. And so Burrow is forced to create, and then he's forced to find a non-jamar chase option who has separated and has become open. And nobody's really doing that. that. And that's a little bit of a little bit huge problem. And you really felt the absence of

Starting point is 00:27:28 Orlando Brown in this game where Cody Ford struggled. You really felt Alex Kappa struggle in this game. You really felt not having T. Higgins in this game. Really felt those things. And it results in a close loss, which really speaks to how much Jamar and Joe were able to do despite what was going on around. They're insane. Just insane. I mean, because what they asked Joe to do, he's thrown 56 times. Like Lamar had 33 attempts and seven rushes, just to give you an idea. And such beautiful protection. And meanwhile, or it was the other way where there was just not enough weaponry. Look, I'm saying that with my tongue and my cheek, you know? Oh, I know. I know. What tonight showed is that the Bengals should have added another playmaker at the deadline.

Starting point is 00:28:24 And by the deadline, it doesn't mean Tuesday. DeAndre Hopkins got moved. Josh Uche got moved. All these guys got moved. Barron Browning got moved Monday. They needed someone on one side or the other to make a, that would be able to make another player or two. And, I mean, Tanner Hudson was third on this team in receiving six catches for 42 yards. Chase Brown had nine catches.

Starting point is 00:28:47 Yeah. 52 yards tonight. it's it's just it's a so the chase has had 20 receptions like just to put that in perspective and part of it is like the whole extension of the run game thing but I'm not buying that as a whole like that can be part of it but there was no receiver to throw to Andreosovash germain burton four and five targets

Starting point is 00:29:06 they're behind the tight ends they're behind chase brown they're not getting anything from those guys nothing you three catches for for 40 yards in yoshi's big play the 10 yarder on fourth and 10 and he's not on the same page as Burrow on the play before to get to fourth down. Right.

Starting point is 00:29:24 His back is turned when the ball's there. He doesn't turn and stop at the sticks. And Burrow, it looked like Burrow thought he was going to or cut a cross or something. So it's crazy to think that this offense, that these two stars are playing the way they are where you really can't play any better realistically. And you still lose.

Starting point is 00:29:46 And it's because they don't have, They didn't have any playmakers on defense tonight in the second half when the game was really on the line. No one made a play when they needed to. And on offense, no one else made a play outside of maybe that you could count the Yoshi 10-yarder. But game on the line, you need someone. And there was just no one. So they really felt the T. Higgins' absence. But it can't just be T.

Starting point is 00:30:10 You need something else. You can't just have two guys. The Ravens had all these guys. Can we get a play like Tyler Wallace gave the Ravens for the Bengals? No is the answer, but like, come on. Yeah. I mean, three different guys for the Ravens got touchdowns. Mark Andrews, wide open.

Starting point is 00:30:27 Rashad Bateman was wide open. It's just that type of, or four different guys, excuse me. I forgot about the Nelson Aguilor one, who I always joke with you about like, oh. I don't even remember that one. Yeah, the first half. Remember, I was like, how did he get so open? Josh Newt was the only one that covered. Right.

Starting point is 00:30:46 Right. Yeah. I always joke with you like If you were Gino You could have tackled Tyler Wallace and that's a joke right Even though I do think you could have shoved him out of bounds Or anybody could have that's watching or listening

Starting point is 00:30:59 Anyone could have caught that Nelson Aguilar ball No one was around It was literally playing catch And that's wild to me they've got a lot of issues Joe Burr and Mark Chase Very nearly covered them up tonight the defense somehow started this game hot.

Starting point is 00:31:22 And once again, we're talking about a team that didn't finish, didn't make enough plays, came up just short, and instead of seven and three would be their record if they weren't that team this year, and they didn't come up just short against the Chiefs, and just short against the Ravens twice. You could even argue about the Washington commanders if you want. They're not. They're four and six.

Starting point is 00:31:47 And as I've said before, And as Joe Burrough said tonight, in the NFL, you are what your record is. And the hole just got deeper. Until next time, we'll be back with you on Sunday for Monday's episodes. So sometime this weekend, you'll hear from us again. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. And have a good one.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Another Devastating Loss For The Cincinnati Bengals Against The Baltimore Ravens

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