Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Bengals COMMUNICATING with Trey Hendrickson | Is a contract resolution imminent?

Episode Date: June 17, 2025

The Cincinnati Bengals resumed communication with Trey Hendrickson about his contract and future, a sign for optimism that there will be a resolution. Jake Liscow and James Rapien break down potential good news on the Hendrickson front, then dive into Zac Taylor's updated training camp and preseason plan as the Bengals' head coach is making changes in pursuit of a fast start.Join the Locked On Bengals Insider Community! https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbengalsFind and follow Locked On Bengals on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bengals-daily-podcast-on-the-cincinnati-bengals/id1159723162Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7AObc0lh0WmQl5fJVgtajsGoogle Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb25iZW5nYWxz?sa=X&ved=0CAYQrrcFahcKEwio_sXtj8nuAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAgStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-bengalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelRight now, new customers can get TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in BONUS BETS when your first FIVE DOLLAR BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA.Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNFL at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Finally, a positive update on the Cincinnati Bengals with Trey Hendrickson as the sides have resumed communication on Trey's contract. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Jake Lesko. He's James Rapine and we've been covering the Cincinnati Bengals here on. on Lockdown Bengals since 2016,

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Shout out to everyone who makes us their first listen as well. Today, James, we dive into the latest on Trey Hendrickson as there is finally a positive update to talk about. And then we've been trying to get to this topic for about a week now. We're going to discuss Zatt Taylor's new training camp schedule, the tweaks there around, and a little bit of preseason talk potentially sneaking into this one as well. But let's start with the report from Ben Baby and Jeremy. over at ESPN that contains a reason to actually be optimistic that something might get done here soon with Trey Hendrickson.

Giving Ben credit, huh? I'll let him know. No, I ain't just messing. Ben, I love you. All right. So yeah, Jeremy Fowler reporting. Notice I didn't include Ben again pulling his chain. The two sides have resumed communication on his contract and future with the team.

And that was the line of, what was it? Sunday. Yeah, it was Sunday. By the way, shout out to everyone that wished me a happy father's down or locked on Bengals Insiders Club. Shout out to all the fathers out there that hopefully had a happy Father's Day, including Trey Hendrickson, because I'm sure his father's day was a bit better with this news coming out. Maybe talks had started sooner.

It seemed inevitable that at some point that the sides would come together and at least have a conversation. but I don't know how far this has gone past that. I don't know how intense this is. It could be so intense that something gets done this week. It wouldn't shock me if that happened. But would it shock me if this went into training camp still? No. Nothing really outside of trading Trey Hendrickson would shock me here.

I expect him to be in a Bengals uniform. I just don't know when he's going to be happy and smiling in said uniform. Hopefully it's sooner rather than, later. I think that's where everybody in Cincinnati or Bengals fans are certainly feeling. I think that's how we feel from a football standpoint in putting their best team on the field. You got to have Trey. So hopefully something gets done soon. And this is just the start of a contract extension for the all-pro pass rusher. At some point, you're right. This needed to happen. They needed to start talking about the contract again. But as we've been saying, at least in recent times here on this podcast,

And as long as we've understood the reality of trade situation, he's under contract for this year. And that being his reality, his leverage is extremely limited. He's exercised it to the eighth degree. He's done as much as he can in terms of talking to the media, showing up for that voluntary practice a couple of weeks ago and meeting with Cincinnati media, talking to Pat McAfee a couple of times, and Joe Burroughs media campaign before the Super Bowl. And throughout the off season, they, I think, have pulled every lever available to them to make this as big of a deal for Bengals fans, for the national media that's looking for something to talk about to the point where there's more conversation about Trey Hendrickson than there is about Micah Parsons and T.J. Watt, although those stories are picking up steam as the summer goes on as well.

the downside to that approach is Trey Hendrickson also just was subjected to fines for training camp or for mini camp mandatory minicamp and that was something that he took umbrage to and he was notified that there would be fines on the supposition that that means that they wouldn't have a long-term deal done by the time mini camp arrived and they didn't and the ideal thing here is

well we've ramped up as well much as we can from Trey Hendrickson's side. From the Bengal side, it's obviously ideal to have Trey Hendrickson and Shemar Stewart, but Trey Hendrickson back for training camp and there for the beginning of training camp. And we've talked about this. It's more important for Samar Stewart. Go look at our most recent episode for all of our thoughts on this from our Stewart situation and what's going on there. Most recent two episodes. I feel like we've talked about that a ton in the last week. I think it's two out of three. I think it's, yeah, I think it's two out of our last three And before that, it was Trey Hendrickson stealing shows that we weren't planning to dedicate to Trey Hendrickson as a topic.

But at least today is good news. But the ideal here is that the beginning of communication now, and the presumption of communication now during this break between mini-camp and training camp is with the express goal of actually getting it done by the time training camp starts and avoiding. that distraction that Joe Burl acknowledged was a distraction going into the beginning of training camp. Yeah. It's going to be such a huge distraction. Let's combine them together. Can you imagine if neither guy signed and Shamar's just standing there and Trey Hendrickson doesn't show up? And I don't think he will. I think that mini camp, the reason why he was like, fine, I'll be fine with fines, is he's going to go that route. I don't think this is going to be the Jamar Chase thing where Trey's just kind of standing out there waiting on a deal.

This doesn't feel as nice, at least as of right now. Maybe this communication helps it. I just, now's the time. Like, I get it. You want to play hardball, negotiate, and all of those things. And I do think that that's part of it. And that's fine. I really don't care that he's not signed to this point.

I would have liked the communication to be better. But I actually don't. It's not a huge deal. it's not like he's, you know, it's a tragedy that Trey Hendrickson hasn't signed an extension yet. And at the same time, from a Super Bowl standpoint, from a fast start standpoint, Trey Hendrickson not being on the field after a full training camp because of a contract situation when the Bengals play the Browns, that would feel pretty tragic. And that would feel like a failure from a football standpoint.

point. And that's, I just don't want to get to that point. And so when I saw this, I'm like, okay, good. This is the first step. Hopefully there's more steps. And whether it's before July 4th, after July 4th, when everyone's rolling in, I want to ask Mike Brown during mock turtle soup day during media day about a Trey Hendrickson extension that's already done. I want to hear from Trey before training camp. And so hopefully that happens. Hopefully we're talking about a signed deal on the dotted line. And what do you think, real quick, I'm putting you on the spot here. What do you think gets it done?

Like, what do you think numbers wise would get it done and get Tray to agree? Is it one year extension, two year extension? I don't think they offer a three. I know you, I would probably rule that out at this point, even though that's probably what he wants. Yeah, I don't think one year gets it done. So maybe two years is the common ground. maybe upfront money helps, maybe some guarantees help.

Maybe they try to deal with this default of avoiding a future guarantees with Trey as a tradeoff for increased guarantees. And they set that precedent for some R. Stewart. So those things all could come into it. I think the money is probably the biggest issue because this probably needs to go north of 35 or at least get to 35 million for new money. Just looking at what's happening with other edge rushes around the league and DeNeil Hunter's contract, even though that's one-year deal.

Maybe they get a bit south of that number. That would be the best case, I would think, from a Bengals perspective, is, hey, we're going to give you another year. Hey, we're going to do guarantees, but the money is going to be a touch lower. And I don't think Trey has a huge reason to go for that. On the other side, Trey is looking at $50,000 a day in training camp fines for every day of training camp he misses. That can add up. Those are mandatory fines. And typically when players are fine for missing training camp, the team will work out some way to excuse those fines and the

subsequent extension that has reached. You've seen that time and time again around the league. So that's an incentive for the sides to work together and say, hey, if we get this done, we'll find a way to get those fines paid back to you. But those fines are lingering and are mandatory, not something that the team has a choice about, at least to initially levy those fines for training camp. Yeah, I think two years, give them a fat payday this year, get that money up to close to 30 million, maybe 28 million this year, and then 30 plus million, maybe 32 million or so. I get there, Bengals.

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And we're not talking about Trey Hendrickson for a little bit more time. I do actually want to go back to one point you may. We can talk about Trey. You said, and you were just throwing numbers out. But get to 28 this year. Yep. And what was it, 32? I'll give you the numbers.

I should have just teased this. I would sign him to a, I would offer him a two-year, $76 million extension. It could send him to 28 this year, 32 in 2026, and 32 in 2022-27. And I think he would take it with some, a significant signing bonus up front. There you go. So the per year total was what? You said 72?

A $76 million extension. 76. And that's on top of the 16? Yeah. So it would be 28 this year and then 32 on average in 26 and 27. Doing math, which is never. Because if I'm the Bengals, I would say, no, go ahead. The logic is simple because people are going to say, well, that's not enough.

And what I would say is that's fine. You're not a free agent. The market may be set. Well, you're not on the market. And we want to help you out here, Trey. And the market shifted. But you're going to have to help us out some, too. And so I think that they, I think you can find common ground there where you give him

enough upfront money to get that deal done. I think it might take a little bit more than that. We'll see. What's he going to do? Like, complain about that? None of the other guys that got their additional money this year around the market either. And neither's Michael Parsons and neither's T.J. Watt. And so you got a bunch of guys who worked on the market that got the money.

Trey's also not in the market and you'd be asking him then to take like $3 million less for new money per year than Crosby and Hunter and significantly Hunter got a one year Hunter got a one year

yeah we'll give you two you know and that's where I came to like maybe you can get like 34 and a half and that's different from 32 by I would be stunned if the Bengals get him to 34 I'm stunned. I'm just, maybe I'm wrong, but. I wonder if that would be enough for this to just get resolved or for it to just keep

dragging out because. Are you in? So you're in at three, three for 76, let's say, on top of the 16 he's making this year. So it's basically three for 92. 92. Yeah. That, because that, that's a relative bargain compared. to the top end of the edge of edge rush market that is only going to be a larger average after

Micah Parsons and T.J. Wackett their deal sign. And what's crazy is, is that would have been like setting, like resetting a few months ago. Behind it's high misbosa, but yeah. Yeah. You like, like it would have completely revamped things and then all these deals get done. And it's like, and I think that's where where it's lost a little bit. And so, I don't know. Maybe the Bengals and Trey's agent should just call me and we'll work it out. It'll be, I think I've made this reference before, but at the beginning of wedding crashes, I can be Owen Wilson and make sure we get a deal done.

Yeah. I think I'd be good at that. Or do you think everyone would hate me? I think everyone would hate me. Pretty likely the latter. Yeah. We'll see how that shakes out. I do think it could take more than that unless there are.

significant guarantees involved. All those other guys you talked about have significant guarantees involved as well. And so the pressure is only going to ramp up. And a good point that I think it was Joel Corey made about this was when you get to this point, you're not going to get much from the player when you're asking for like, hey, like, help us out a little bit here. If they had maybe last year or maybe not last year, but two years ago, instead of the one-year thing, which is such a problem in all of this,

been talking about something more long-term. If they hadn't done that, and then last year we're talking about maybe a two-year extension at that point, instead of whatever we're talking about now, maybe it feels different and the relationship is better. And there's certainly blame on both sides for the relationship, although I think more of it goes to the team by a pretty healthy margin. I do think that if it were just easy for them to get along and communicate and compromise

and actually negotiate, it wouldn't be going this way. And so I do think that there's probably a little bit of blame on Entrey side here, certainly for getting himself into this position where he's got this one-year extension that now is the subject of much contention. Yeah, the last thing I would say from why he would take that. And maybe he wouldn't take it right away and jump at it. But the Bengals, and maybe they know this, they've seen him take a deal that's been on the table before four months. And I don't think that there's a deal that's been offered to my knowledge that he's.

would take. So I'm not saying that. But he's blinked before. And if you're him, the last thing you want to do is have to go out there, even if it's for eight games or whatever it is, 10 games. And then risk being tagged next year and having to do all this again and be just, like, that sucks. And so, like, I get it.

Like, it's been ugly. But that's why I brought up the wedding crash reference, because it's like, yeah, it feels like everything's headed for a divorce. Maybe it shouldn't. Maybe it should be the opposite. And you need to go to counseling and realize like, yeah, you really like it in Cincinnati, 32 million per year is pretty darn nice. And if you get it, if it's structured in a way where you'll see the life of that deal, it's a lot of money to turn down. It's a lot of money. I mean, that would be more money this year and in 2026 and 27 than he's made throughout his career. And that's where that at 30, 31 and 32.

That's pretty awesome. And that's where you can see the team just playing hardball and stick into it because of the lack of leverage for Trey Hendrickson. And then the point that's been made all along that is like, why is this pulling teeth? Why is it playing hardball? Why can't this just feel like you're taking care of your players in a way that other organizations will build that goodwill around certain players? leads to difficult decisions elsewhere, but they're going to have to deal with that either way. It doesn't do anything about that situation,

about what's happened over the last few months and what's transpired there with fans getting a real behind-the-scenes look at the way these contract negotiations work. The way these have played out publicly, again, something that we've talked about numerous times, making this uglier than it otherwise had to be. but again, it's the same question, right? Like the criticism of the front office is still there,

which is like, why did it have to go this way? I understand you're trying to get the best deal you can't. But like Samar Stewart said, like winning negotiations versus winning games, there's a line there. And the point that we've made throughout this offseason about how long they wait to get some of these things done, costing them more and more money, it all fits into the same conversation. I think they're far more right.

about the Shamar situation, not that they are, because I think that there's issues on both sides, then they are here. Like, this is a dude. Like, there's a proven dude that you need. So just...

Apples and oranges. I mean, you're talking about a rookie deal that's like mostly preordained versus a totally new deal with Trey too. And new deal that with a guy that you know you need

if you're going to win a Lombardi, which is why... Which is why everyone's listening and watching, which is why Joe Burrow is training probably right now. And got to get it done as I lose my boys. And Zach Taylor making changes in pursuit of that goal. Let's finally get to that topic that we've been putting off for inadvertently seven to eight segments of locked-on Bengals.

We'll finish up with the new training camp schedule next. Training camp is right around the corner, Jake. And I mentioned it earlier. I'm not sure anyone is more excited about this than you. because training camp and sunscreen you needed it this is actually an epic fail we should have gotten a sunscreen sponsorship just for the the week or so that you're in time camp because that that 3 p.m. to 5 p.m. practice i mean you would just be covered he would lather up the sunscreen and well Zach Taylor probably sick of using as much sunscreen as well because practice is going

to be a bit earlier this year they announced it last week What was your reaction when you saw Bengals practicing in the morning, not in the blazing heat of the afternoon? First off, a little bit of embellishment there. I applied normal amounts of sunscreen that a normal person should. Um, protection is important. Second, I don't know that this has a significant impact from a football perspective. Sometimes change is good. And when you've listened to players talk about it,

they've kind of been ambivalent about it for the most part. There have been a couple of reactions that are like, yeah, it forces you to do your studying overnight, come in ready the next day. You can't cram any information that you're planning to practice that day and in the morning and have time to, you know, figure it out and walk through and then you go do it on the field later. I thought that was interesting.

It might create better work habits for some guys that, needed to do that work outside of the stadium, show up, ready to go, be ready for that practice, and then the walk through and the meetings come afterward, you can get corrections in after the practice. I'm going to be interested to see how it works out to hear what the players think about it after they've gone through it for a little bit, but really you're just changing the order of doing the same stuff. And so how much of a difference can it make? We'll find out. But yeah, the biggest deal is you save a couple degrees in convective heating that you're getting over the course of the day. I don't know if it's even convective.

I assume it is in Cincinnati in those summers that are pretty gross in the afternoon. And there are days where I really wondered how they were getting through those practices in that weather. And so I do think there's an advantage of practicing when it's not disgusting outside. from a, you know, water weight, hydration, strain on the human body for thermoregulation perspective, but I don't know that it's tremendous. What were your thoughts? I think it's important because it's really easy to get into our routine. And just in general, as humans, sometimes switching up the routine is good.

and I think that, that alone, getting the veterans on a different page. Joe Burrow is going to have to be up and at it. Not that he's not, but I don't think he's, you would consider him a morning person. So now he's going to have to tweak that some. And by the way, he mentioned that and thinks it's going to help. I think it's going to, a lot of teams in the league do it this way. and any little thing that can help the Bengals, they need to do it. It's not just the big contracts and all those things.

Like all these little things, maybe they add up to one play that matters week one one that gets them over the hump so they're one and oh. Maybe. But I think when you've failed, and that's what they've done, is they've failed in September for so long, switching it up even though I deep down don't think training camp is the root cause of their issues. I really don't. But switching it up can't hurt.

And so that's it. I don't have a huge reaction. I like it from a not not heat of the day. I think it's better to start. I like starting early. Everything I like my best days personally or when I start really, really early and I'm going in by six, seven, eight at night. I'm wrapping up, winding down. It doesn't mean I won't stay up late, but like to be winding down at that time.

And that's what they can do is hit a walkthrough and then go home. And instead of coming in and kind of going through the motions and hitting the walkthrough then, it's kind of the opposite. So I think it'll be good. Will it matter? Will it pay off? And is it going to hurt or help the bottom line from a wins loss standpoint? I don't know. Oh, that's it.

I thought you had another sentence. The other bit of this is that the preseason schedule for this year, as a Bengals plan to play starters in the preseason, honestly, isn't terribly conducive to playing starters in at least one of the games. So we have very briefly touched on this in the past. But the preseason schedule this year involves a game on August 7th in Philadelphia. And then what is that? Like 10 days off a Thursday night into a Monday night at Washington on the 18th.

So yeah, 11 days later. It's August 7th, August 18th. And then they have four days between game two and game three. They finally play their lone. home preseason game five days later on Saturday, Monday to Saturday. So if the Bengals are planning to play their starters and say they wanted to get their starters a little bit of work at home to go through that game day routine at home in week three, they'd be asking them to do that on a very short week, like a Thursday night

football style week in the preseason, which seems avoidable. is a word that comes to mind like unnecessary what do you think james do you think we see the starters i guess i guess the question is ultimately how do you think we see the starters playing in this free season yeah i think probably just the first two games i initially i thought three but you're right it's just such a quick a quick flip and do you need do you need all three now maybe or maybe you just go through a full game routine. But the short week thing, it's like, you're going on the road anyway.

I would do two games, but I would still make the argument that I'm not sure I would do any. And I know I'm in the far minority now. I get it, including with the players. But I just, that's how I lean. So I'm very Sean McVeigh when it comes to preseason, not Bill Belichick. but I again understand it and I think

I think playing in all three games as of today is still in initively on the table for the starters but I just don't know why get them good work in the first two games and play them a whole half if you want to in both games if that's it but I wouldn't play them in the third preseason game I think I would go if they wanted to go heavy like heavy preseason playing time for these guys I think I would be targeting like a quarter, a half, and then a warm-off. Maybe you don't even tell them until, you know, right before the game,

hey, we're not actually going to play you guys here in week three. Interesting. And maybe that doesn't fly. Maybe you need better communication than that in the NFL. But that's the kind of idea. Like get them through the game day routine as if they're going to play, have them in that mentality. But soft tissue injuries at this time of year, man. on a short week in the preseason,

I'm not trying to risk that with the history of some of the soft tissue injuries on this team. I'm not trying to risk any hamstrings or quads or oblique strains or whatever you might deal with in a short week in late August. I'm just,

there's certain risk that feels necessary here if they want to change the approach and play guys in preseason and build that timing a little bit and build those references. in the preseason as Joe Burroughs talked about and his other guys on this team have talked about. But that short week at the end really stands out as something that is just like a very avoidable risk and very limited upside to me for that last game in particular. Yeah, I agree. I mean, would you skip preseason game two and then just go to three with the starters?

Maybe that's an idea. Maybe you get the starters out of there really quickly. Maybe you're going to going a quarter a quarter drive and then a half but then like you also have extra recovery time if you have a minor injury earlier in the preseason you need a couple of weeks to get ready for regular season you lose that extra week if it happens in the final preseason game there's a reason historically that teams haven't played their starters in the final preseason game across yeah And I would be fine with that. Like I said, I always lean the other way. But I would be surprised if you did a quarter's number of quarters for the starters,

I think you'd set the over under at at least three and a half. And I just think we're going to see a lot of them. And so Jake would take the under. I may take the over. I think you may see them play to half time. And that used to be common practice, you know? I don't know what I would take if that was where it was, but if it were me and I were trying to be aggressive, I would probably shoot for about three quarters, maybe three quarters in a drive. That's why that three and a half, those fan do odds, man.

Does that count as a half? No, no, no. But like it's close is what I'm saying. And there are going to be other people that say, oh, well, play them at least four quarters. And it depends on how the games go too, right? I think that's part of it. And it's different for different sides of the ball. Like I'm getting T. Higgins,

Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow, Orlando Brown, Ted Harris out of the game on offense as soon as I can. And maybe some other guys play a little bit longer. And so that'll be part of it too, I think. Yeah, for sure. I think back to it doesn't take much game script-wise to kind of tweak things. Remember when Joe came out, it's going to play in the preceesies. after the ACO and comes out.

And he throws the pass to Jamar. And it's like, oh my God. It was just like the worst series you could have had. You know, it's like get him out of there. Yeah. Well, we'll probably get a much better idea of this throughout training camp as we talked to players again. But while we were on the topic of changes for the Bengals

and training camp and in preseason, we thought those topics fit together quite nicely as the Bengals were looking to solve their fast start issues. That's going to do it, though, for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. We've got some topics planned for you for later this week and early next week around Zach Taylor's future, as PFF is speculating, and maybe some discussion around potential X factors for the 2025 season. Of course, all of that subject to change pending news here on lockdown Bengals that we will talk about if it does happen.

But until then, thanks for listening. listening to this episode of the lockdown bengos podcast hoo day and have a good bye