Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Bengals Must DELIVER Big Changes to Make Football Fun for Joe Burrow, and Win Again

Starting point is 00:00:00 Everyone listens when Joe Burrow talks and when Joe Burrow implies he's not having very much fun, while the world pays attention and the Bengals better make football fun for Joe Burrow. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, now the number one sports podcast network. He's James Rapine. I'm Jake Lisco, and we are your host of Lockdown Bengals, your one-stop shop for all things.

Starting point is 00:00:41 Bengals is the Bengals gear up for their second contest with the Baltimore Ravens this year, looking for their first two-and-oh year against Lamar Jackson ever. Well, first we're going to have to get started with what Joe Burrow had to say in his weekly press conference on a Wednesday that certainly stirred up a tizzy of comments that leads to guys like Dan Orlovsky talking about, what team should be trying to trade for Joe Burrow, which is asinine. But we will discuss it nonetheless before we get to an interesting contest with the Baltimore Ravens at Paycor this weekend that technically has some implications and is certainly a game that the Bengals want to win. If for no other reason to knock out a division rival from the playoffs, that could be some incentive.

Starting point is 00:01:32 but James, let's start with Joe Burrow, who had an interesting press conference, let's say, on Wednesday. He's clearly not having a good time, let's say. That was my takeaway as I watched it. He is not loving the way this season is going, very understandably so, working through yet another injury that he gets back from, plays at a high level again, and the team loses despite him playing at a high level again. feels like 2024 all over again, feels like all the injuries he's had throughout his career are certainly on his mind.

Starting point is 00:02:09 And he's just not loving it as he had his 29th birthday on Wednesday. Yeah, there's a lot here. And as you were talking, I was like, hey, you know what? We should actually hear the clip from Joe Bro that a lot of people are talking about that a lot of people are discussing. Because boy, oh boy, is he Andrew Luck? Is he going to pull a Carson? Is he going to go to this team? That team is it going to be a match?

Starting point is 00:02:31 Matthew Stafford situation. All these situations have been mentioned. And so let's start with Joe Burroughs comments on Wednesday. If I want to keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it. You know, I've been through a lot. And if it's not fun, then what am I doing it for? So that's the mindset I'm trying to bring to the table. How much of it was fun before, the winning's always fun, but in general,

Starting point is 00:02:57 was it as fun before you got hurt? Did you view it that way, at least? No, I wouldn't say I viewed it that way, I think. What was the changing point? I'm not sure there was a singular moment or time. It's just a reflection, reflection on a lot of things that I've done and been through in my career. I've been through more than most, and it's certainly not easy on the brain or the body. so it's trying to have fun doing it again.

Starting point is 00:03:41 You seem like maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed frustrating. There's just a lot of things going on right now. A lot of things going on right now. All related, personally. All the above. All of the above. Those are mostly the comments that you'll see circulated. You'll see those quotes.

Starting point is 00:04:02 Look, have you had fun doing the... I know you enjoy doing the podcast, to be clear. Have you had fun as a Bengals fan, Jake, this season? I have fun when the Bengals beat the Steelers that one time. Yep. And Joe Burroughs return was fun. One in, what was it, one in eight? One and eight.

Starting point is 00:04:26 Without him. Yeah. That wasn't very fun. The Jake Browning games, not very fun. The defensive meltdowns against the Jets, the almost miracle win against the bears. It's not fun when you endure that stuff week after week. and it's so familiar, like I said, to so many of the things they went through in 24 that just didn't get fixed. And here's the worst part is, as we record this on Thursday, we're 83 days since Joe Burrow underwent surgery for that grade 3 turf toe.

Starting point is 00:04:57 83. He came back at the 69 day mark. Should have came back at the 65 day mark. I'm never going to let that go, Zach, sorry. Came back at the 69 day mark two weeks ago. and he busts his butt, does everything he can to get back, defies all these timelines, gets back, beats the Ravens, and hangs 34 on the bill's head. And he looks up and they have a 3% chance at the playoffs if they went out, which I'm sure

Starting point is 00:05:23 he thinks they still can do. They have a 27% chance at the playoffs. That sucks. That's really tough. And so to come to grips with, I did all of this rehab, all of this work, all of this, and our seasons over, that's a really hard thing to swallow, to digest. I do think that the fact that he was turned 29 on Wednesday,

Starting point is 00:05:47 I'm sure that was on his mind too. Like, I don't have a Super Bowl and I'm 29. Like, that probably bothers him. I don't have a shot at one this year. The next time I'm going to get a shot at one, I'm going to be 30. Like, there's a lot that will hit you. And so I don't buy the Andrew Luck thing, never have.

Starting point is 00:06:03 I don't buy the he's going to ask out and these teams are going to be trying to trade for him this offseason. I don't think he's there yet. I don't dismiss that. I completely dismiss the Andrew Luck scenario. Joe Burrow is not Andrew Luck and we don't need to get into it unless you want to, which I'd be happy to. But overall, like, he's frustrated. He's not having fun. Guess what?

Starting point is 00:06:26 Our everydayers aren't either. It's been a tough season. And so when you throw in the fact that he had to rehab and undergo surgery and do all of that, and he's at the same spot essentially that he was last year, even worse, their first losing record clinched since 2020, I get why he's feeling the way he's feeling. I think it's totally reasonable to empathize with his situation. And a lot of people really easily can because, like you said, it hasn't been fun for anyone.

Starting point is 00:06:58 But extrapolating what that means is where people want to jump to conclusions. You got, like I said, Dan Orlovsky talking about teams trying to trade for him if he asks out, which I just don't think we're there. Maybe we get there. This could be the moment we point back to and say, this is where the dissatisfaction started. But think about Joe Burrow and the way that he's generally quite calculated with what he says to media. And there are a lot of pauses that you might have noticed in the clip that we played. If you go watch a whole press conference, a lot of pauses where he is considering how exactly he wants to answer questions that he's trying to give relatively honest answers to as much as he's willing to divulge, right? There are a couple things.

Starting point is 00:07:45 One, I don't know that we need to talk about the Andrew Luck comparison. I agree that I don't think that that. It's done. It's really what's happening. I do think that they need to do better by him. Sure. The Carson comparisons, well, I don't think you're there yet. That could bubble up.

Starting point is 00:08:10 That could be something that's happening. I don't think he demand a trade. Yes. Yes, for sure. Yeah, you can't rule that out. But likely what's happening is there's conversations happening behind the scenes. And Joe could be also using his public. visible comments as a way to send a message of the front office that says,

Starting point is 00:08:27 hey, man, we need to figure this thing out because he was asked this question in this press conference early on. Was it you that asked? He said he felt like he played pretty perfect. And obviously he wanted the interceptions back. And he was asked about those interceptions what he could have done differently on the pick six in particular. But he did play really well.

Starting point is 00:08:46 And he's got to be sick of playing really well and having 10.4th quarter leads. And then feeling like, well, we need to go score 40. exactly you need to go score 49 we need to go score 56 to win some of these games and so it could just be as simple as yeah we're having conversations behind the scenes where we're going to but you know this is this is a warning this is a communication to those who make decisions about this football team yeah it could be and changes do need to happen we're going to be at the forefront of that I don't know of anyone that's going to talk more about what they need to do this offseason, all the changes that need to happen, the players they need to add, the talent they need to head,

Starting point is 00:09:28 whether or not certain coaches should be here, whether or not certain members of the front office should be here. All those things are coming, for sure, on this podcast. But the Bengals can still make them. They can still do them. And that's why, like, there's no way in how Joe would want to go to the Jets who are dumpster fire of dumpster fire. fires, right? Like, that's an example. That's why that was a season defining loss, because it's the jets and you were up. It's because of how crappy the jets are. Let's be real. They've never recovered from that. Like, that's it. That defined their season. Instead of four

Starting point is 00:10:03 and four, there are three and five, and that's it. It went off the rails. And so, yeah, there might be one or two more things to hit on here, but we obviously have a game to discuss as well. It's Bengals, it's Ravens. There are playoff implications. Worst case, you can really put the the Ravens and their playoff chances in Jeopardy. We'll get to that and maybe talk a little bit more about Joe Burrow coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by Zock Doc. Guys, it's almost 2026. And the days of waiting for something to become a full-blown emergency before you see a doctor,

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Starting point is 00:13:10 And so making it fun for him should be priority one. And fun is winning. Joe's been used to winning. Joe wants to win. Joe's competitive. That's why I mentioned the days, by the way. Now is when we should be talking about like his window opening, 83 days after surgery, not the sheesh, what was it?

Starting point is 00:13:29 Like 55 days when his practice window opened and then 69 days when he returned to the field. Like this, it was a little off. I'm a little off on the 55, but you get the point. And that's going to be a huge topic all off season long. No matter what happens over the next four weeks or five weeks or something crazy happened. making sure that they avoid whatever the hell has happened over the past three seasons with Joe Burrow in his prime is got to be number one on anybody's list inside the organization. Yeah, we've talked about it a lot. It feels like in the last two years, how frustrating it must be to play the level of football he's playing some of the best quarterback, if not the best quarterback in the NFL when he's been on the field and losing.

Starting point is 00:14:11 And that continues, I'm sure, to compound. And when you add the turf toe injury into the mix, I'm sure, you know, we've said it. It just gets worse. It's something that a human being still has to deal with no matter what level of mental toughness you have. And he's still going out there and performing. I still expect Joe Burrow to go out there and have a good game against the Baltimore Ravens this week.

Starting point is 00:14:32 That's the standard to which we hold him. That's the level of play we've seen from him in 2024 and in 2025. Now he's playing an extremely high level of quarterback. But, you know, we've played the what if. game. James, we've talked about what if they hold on against the Jets? What if they hold on against the bears? What if they have just a little bit of margin for error? What if?

Starting point is 00:14:52 What if? What if? For Joe, those aren't really what ifs. It's like, man, they could not win without me. They won one game when I was gone. And I busted my butt. Like you said, I busted my butt to get back here early and give ourselves a chance. If they just won

Starting point is 00:15:08 two more games without me, man, we would be in a, we'd be in prime position right now. That's how he would feel right and instead no one's really talking about the playoffs is a joe burrow quote like we're not really thinking about the playoffs right now we're just thinking about going out there and putting good football on tape and trying to win games trying to play good football that's that's a terrible place to be when you have joe burrow and and it's also invoking the comparisons to you know like the dam merinos and and the other similar bursts of playoff success for great quarterbacks and great players

Starting point is 00:15:45 in the past, it didn't get back to that spot. And it's ridiculous that you're thinking about that with Joe Burrow now, looking at missing the playoffs three straight years after two straight AFC championship appearances, one of those being a Super Bowl appearance. Yeah, I, because I sort of think that Joe, because he gets compared to a bunch of different guys, but it feels very Indianapolis, Peyton Manning, Joe Burrow, Cincinnati. Like Midwest, number one pick comes in, completely changes things.

Starting point is 00:16:14 but Peyton before he won a Super Bowl they were going 12 and 4 13 and 3 12 and 4 and just ran into Tom Brady every year it was like they're in the conversation in the conversation in the conversation and so yeah I'm sure

Starting point is 00:16:29 like that that's a huge factor and you know they're going to be some that say all right well Joe Burroughs health and that's fine like the wrist especially but last year obviously they should have been in it and this year they still should have been in it they should have been able to survive.

Starting point is 00:16:46 And the fact that they haven't, and probably in his mind, that's coaching, that's front office, that's lack of talent on the roster. It's all of the above because the front office has to blame for some of that coaching. I think elite coaches, not just good coaches, elite coaches, what do they do? They win some of these tight games. And they find ways and paths and game plans to do that. And I know that's easy to say, but I just do. I think that that's something that some coaches in the league would have been able to do and pull off.

Starting point is 00:17:17 And that's the difference between having six wins right now and four wins and being in the hunt. So I get it. I get all the frustration. I get the historically when you look at it. He probably is Peyton Manning versus Brady. And will he get that one here? A lot of people are going to be wondering and the Bengals need to do everything they can to get it. And that's, I mean, we've talked about it for what?

Starting point is 00:17:43 17 minutes now, but that's going to be something we spend a lot of time, a lot of time covering. Yeah. Meanwhile, the Bengals play football game in a couple days. The Bengals will be playing against the Baltimore Ravens for the second time this year. They've not beaten Lamar Jackson twice in a season ever. So can they do it? So many people make so much noise about the head-to-head records of quarterback and all these things.

Starting point is 00:18:15 Joe Burroughs play great football against the Baltimore Ravens. Obviously, Jamar Chase has played great football against the Baltimore Ravens. In surprising news that we probably haven't talked about yet, I assume this didn't come up on the crossover. T. Higgins practiced in a limited capacity on Wednesday. That's going to be something that we really have to keep an eye on.

Starting point is 00:18:35 I am still worried about T. Higgins, quite frankly, but I'm hoping that what it means that you practice in a very limited capacity and a light practice on Wednesday. I'm hoping that just means that it's not that bad, whatever's going on with it. That whatever we saw on Sunday wasn't as bad as it looked. I hope that is the case. But if he doesn't play, that's another game. I mean, the Ravens have dodged Higgins for what feels like years. And I've just been dealing with Jammar Chase out there. But big game for Joe Burrow and these Bengals to go 2 and O against the Baltimore Ravens who are having their own difficult year. Lamar Jackson's hampered by those leg injuries in some way, shape, or form not making guys miss this year in a way that he has in years past.

Starting point is 00:19:18 The miss tackles that are such a regular part of his game, not a thing this year. And, well, James, I've been talking long enough that I'll let you respond to me and talk about some of the biggest stories in this Ravens game for the Cincinnati Bengals here in just a minute coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by prize picks. It's prize picks, well, it's the daily fantasy app that you need. Because this holiday season, it's one of the best times for sports, bowl games, big basketball matchups, playoff pushes, hopefully playoff pushes in Cincinnati, right? And it's all happening at once. And that's what's fun with prize picks is it's daily fantasy and it's daily fantasy that

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Starting point is 00:20:52 I forgot that I was going next, Jake. That's right. Let's dive into some of the things I'm watching for. In the first one is this defense. And let's be honest here. If Lamar is Lamar, if he's closer to healthy, we just saw what Josh Allen did. that's scary like healthy lamar is scary it's very frightening like i i think of the path to victory here and i do it every single week and first things first you you hope lamar is still a little hampered because

Starting point is 00:21:25 otherwise he might make you look silly he might make those linebackers look silly that are trying to guard mark andrews and not be historically bad against tight ends as well and and guard isaiah likely who's now suddenly playing for a contract elsewhere and everything that goes and is involved in that. So that's one of the thoughts. The other one is he's not going to give you the ball. It was like a donation on Thanksgiving, you know, just a leather football-sized canned good that he gave to the Bengals multiple times. I just don't anticipate that being the thing that can happen. And a lot of these things are on defense because I do expect Joe Burrow in this offense,

Starting point is 00:22:06 even if they don't have T. Higgins, and I don't expect them to, to handle themselves well. But the thing that Baltimore probably is kicking themselves about in that first game that they can't do this week is just get away from Derek Henry. I would lean in on Derek Henry fully, and he only had 10 attempts. I would give him 15 to 20 and tell myself that going in. Now, maybe if Lamar is amazing and the human joystick, you don't have to, but you're going to have to slow down Derek Henry if you're the Bengals. I mean, just turn on the bill's tape for how to attack this Bengals defense. You run the ball in early downs, get into some third of manageable situations. You go for it on fourth downs.

Starting point is 00:22:46 You throw to your tight ends. You go to that play action over to your tight end three, four times, however many times you need it. You find your tight ends in all sorts of different ways. Get your running backs involved as receivers as well. Keaton Mitchell, get him out on the perimeter. Again, so many ways that are on tape to deal with this Bengals team. And the Bengals, in their two-week run of me starting to think, ah, maybe Al Golden's finding something.

Starting point is 00:23:17 They started blitzing more. And then against the bills, what did I say going into that game? Well, now those blitzes are on tape. Now the bills know what your money-down packages are. and that 40-yard touchdown run, Dionne Dawkins is talking after the game on a podcast about how David Edwards told him like, hey, this blitz is coming, make sure you widen out

Starting point is 00:23:42 to force that edge rusher to have to take a difficult angle to Josh Allen. And that's where Dionne Dawkins, and I talked about this on some episode this week, he gets so much depth that he manages to, as one player, kind of take two guys out of the play, make Cedric Johnson take a bad angle because he gets so much depth that Johnson thinks, oh, I might actually have to engage with this guy.

Starting point is 00:24:07 He might be letting the inside rusher go. And then he didn't. And then the angle is too wide. Josh Allen gets through a hand tackle, arm tackle, and takes it all the way for 40. Like those blitzes are on tape now. Baltimore is experienced on firsthand. So now you need different answers.

Starting point is 00:24:23 Because the Bengals got a lot of pressure to Lamar Jackson in that first game. And a lot of that pressure was because of free runners manufactured pressure, and a lot of it was coverage pressure, where the back end held up. In game two, can't go back to that same well. And honestly, James, after listening to the way Al Golden talked about some of the calls they used against Josh Allen and why they lost on those calls,

Starting point is 00:24:46 I'm concerned about his approach to how he's picking his spots for certain calls, just because they worked last time or something like that. You know what I mean? Like other teams have tape too. And so where I had confidence because of what the Bengals did against Drake May early in that Patriots game. And obviously he figured things out. And what the Bengals did to get pressure to Lamar Jackson, 45% pressure rate the last time they played, I feel like the Ravens are going to have answers.

Starting point is 00:25:17 And now it's back to like, well, do you have a way to counterpunch to counterpunch? Can you adjust again if you're Al Golden in this defense? because the larger sample size says no. And that gets challenged this week. Yeah, it does. And I do wonder, one, how that happens. Like, I don't think Al Golden is an historically bad coach, and he may end up as one, right?

Starting point is 00:25:40 I don't. Now, he's got to prove it. I just don't know. I don't know what they were hoping to have, how they were hoping to play this year, because even when they've had a lead, like you, because you know, Zach Taylor talks all the time about,

Starting point is 00:25:53 oh, well, we got to play out in front and have a lead. And even when they've had that, they haven't been able to keep it. And so it's weird. I don't know if they're just vision, their plan, the way they built it. They just, they did what they thought would work and it just hasn't worked. I don't know if it's that simple. I don't know if there's more to it. I am on a positive note on the defense.

Starting point is 00:26:13 And I know some have wondered or asked. And I think Shamar's back this week. It feels like it. I think he's going to push to be back. and what a big four games for Shamar Stewart just to get something some kind of positive momentum moving forward and it's a big four games you're right for Al Golden too but this one this one will be rough if you you go to on the road to Baltimore win you're fighting for your season you lose a heartbreaker to Buffalo and then you lose at home to the Ravens and let's say it's the same old

Starting point is 00:26:47 issues on defense be a really really painful thing. to digest on a December 14th at Paycor Stadium that's going to be like minus 10 with the wind chill. It's going to be really, really, really cold. And so this defense, you're right. Will they be able to adjust? Do they feel like they have the personnel to make the adjustments they want to make? I think that's the other question that we will never get the answer to, at least not before the game. But certainly one that is worth asking.

Starting point is 00:27:17 Yeah, I don't see. I've said this before. and then they've had those couple little spurts of looking like they know what they're doing, but like I don't see where these linebackers is getting better. There was, who was it, Dan Graziano, was it, Graziano, was it Fowler? There was an ESPN report this week that was like Al Golden, you know, might be back with the Bengals. Those linebackers have developed. I'm like, huh?

Starting point is 00:27:39 What? Like, I just haven't seen it. I don't see the improvement from those guys. Maybe as tacklers, like maybe that's gotten better. But in terms of understanding where to be, in terms of taking away the things that they need to take away, I just don't see it. And it's exacerbated, of course, by, you know, we like what Joseph Osai and Miles Murphy are doing, but a pass rush that's still too toothless and safeties that are inconsistent.

Starting point is 00:28:10 And Jordan Battle has been a little bit better. But Geno Stone certainly, the model of inconsistency. That all makes it worse. there's no knockout punch from this defense, especially without Trey, who is officially on IR as you're listening to this episode. And so it makes it tough to see where the improvement comes from for the defense. But again,

Starting point is 00:28:30 I'm talking about the same thing I'm talking about with the bill is like, can you hold the Ravens to a couple of field goals and get a couple of takeaways? Because if you do that, then I think Joe Burrow has a chance to do enough to win you the game. And, you know, the timing of that maybe matters a little bit. But you get a couple takeaways, you steal a couple points, you know, you keep eight points off the board by forcing the Ravens and settle for a couple field goals. You get a takeaway or two.

Starting point is 00:28:53 Then I think that Joe Burrough should be able to do it because the Ravens still don't have, they're going to try to scheme up the pass rush again. That's what the Ravens do. They still don't have guys that are winning one-on-one in the pass rush, and the offensive line has played great football for the last two weeks. And they're playing again against one of the teams that they just play great football against, except they're doing it at home this time. Seems like you should expect the offensive line to continue to play.

Starting point is 00:29:15 well. If the offensive line continues to play well, Joe Burroughs going to find a way to get the ball where it needs to go. That's what he's done. Even the interception, even the pick six was him running the play as designed. Max Tascano has a great breakdown of that over at bengalsak.com.

Starting point is 00:29:32 Could have done something different with the past. And he said that ends up being a fatal mistake, but he's getting the ball where it's supposed to be. And that's leading to explosive plays. That's leading to efficient offense. Hopefully Chase Brown looks better this week since there won't be snow on the ground i uh i i talked to a few guys about that

Starting point is 00:29:52 yeah and that was like a real thing and and not just for chase brown for uh no like but like it didn't affect tea as much i guess um i haven't talked to tea but jamar had one catch for 13 yards in the the first three quarters i'll just throw that out there i don't want to well and a lot of that is the bill spending a lot of resources on jimmar that's why tea has a lot of targets, a big game. Mike Askeke has a big game. And Joe's going to spread the ball around. I still expect the offense to do the thing this week.

Starting point is 00:30:24 So if the defense can do anything, I think they should have a chance at it. And you just got to take care of the ball the way that they weren't able to in the fourth quarter last week. All eyes on the defense, as always, but certainly against a Ravens team that outside of Thanksgiving has had their number when it comes to this Bengals defense, as has everybody,

Starting point is 00:30:45 everybody has the Bengals defenses number right now, including Josh Allen. Making a bunch of players look like pro bowlers, if not all pros. That's going to do it for this episode of the Locktime Bengals podcast. We'll be back with you after the game. Thanks for tuning in today. And if you're an everydayer, make sure you're subscribing so you can get the latest episodes. And well, if Lockdown Bengals made your Spotify wrapped, you can prove it on social media to get a free month of our brand new everydayer club. you can just tag the National Lockdown Podcast Network account on any social platform

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