Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Bengals shake up depth chart after preseason game performances and a few injuries

Starting point is 00:00:00 Cincinnati Bengals are starting to shuffle their depth chart in reaction to preseason game number one and some injuries. And we see better than we hear. Let's talk about it. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Locked on Bengals podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Jake Liscoe.

Starting point is 00:00:35 He's James Rupin, and we are locked on Bengals. We've been covering the Cincinnati Bengals here on this podcast since 2016. And if you're looking to becoming every day or shout out to all of you who already are, make sure you hit that subscribe button on YouTube or anywhere you get your podcast to make sure you don't miss an episode of this show. And you can make us your first listen to get into all of those great listening habits. Today, James, we're going to dive into all the movement on the Cincinnati Bengals' depth chart as they react to some injuries, namely Gino Stone at safety,

Starting point is 00:01:08 and what we're seeing with the shuffle on the offensive line after preseason game number one, a lot of movement, as we've watched two Bengals practices now after that first preseason game in this episode brought to the people by GameTime. You can download the GameTime app, and when you're looking for tickets, use code locked on NFL for $20 off your first purchase. James, what stood out to you the most as we're catching up on injuries I think it probably starts with Gino Stone Joseph Osai also missing time after dealing

Starting point is 00:01:39 with an injury in the first play of 11 on 11 on Saturday he did not practice on Sunday between those two spots are you thinking safety first well bigger question mark absolutely I think it's interesting because in a way you know I guess you could sell this on both positions but for the Joseph Osai injury, it forces Shamar Stewart to get a ton of reps in reps and reps and reps. And he was exhausted after Saturday's practice. Sunday was a bit lighter from a team standpoint. They still did do a competitive period, but it was a lot of special teams. But that's good for Shamar Stewart.

Starting point is 00:02:15 You want him out there. You want him tired and really pushing himself. And in getting reps against Amarius Mims, getting reps against Orlando Brown Jr. And in that first team offensive line. And so in a way, as long as Osai is okay, you don't want anything to be serious, but I could totally see that being beneficial in a way because you're getting extra reps for your first round pick. And we can dive more into that.

Starting point is 00:02:39 On the other end of this at safety, man, it's, yeah, you're getting Dejan Anthony and Tyson Anderson in there and you can kind of see what you have. But boy, oh boy, one of them better be good on defense. And we know Tyson's an elite special teamer. we don't know much beyond that outside of preseason where he's played and had some success there and in the same thing with dejan is like what what does he bring how does he bring it i think we've all had our questions about gino stone but one injury and you're looking at that room and you're like all right well who is it what is it how is it going to be and so there are a lot to me there are a lot more

Starting point is 00:03:18 questions assuming gino stone is out for a few weeks and that's how it feels like it's going to be or less than a month away from the start of the regular season. So what does it look like without Gino out there? Even if he thinks it's minor, these soft tissue injuries or something the Bengals are going to take slow, they're not going to push it. And so maybe it's a positive, and it leads to them finding out what they have in Tyson and Dejan, and those are good answers. At the same time, it, I think worries a lot of people about their depth in an area that we were questioning anyway.

Starting point is 00:03:51 Yeah, this is a spot where fans have. have been looking for that signing since free agency. We were talking about safety options during March in the brunt of free agency. And a lot of those guys, Julian Blackman did sign, but a lot of those guys are still out there. Justin Simmons still discussed a lot as far as I can see by Bengals fans on social media. Justinin's doesn't really do a whole lot for me personally, James, but it probably does more for me than some of the waiver options that you might have in a month as teams have to cut. down. He at least has experience, even if he is a little bit diminished from his peak, I think, or maybe significantly diminished from his peak when he was one of the best

Starting point is 00:04:32 safeties in football. But there are a number of options out there. I remain unconvinced that there's going to be a move here in the Noah Fant realm of things. Noah Fant was a player that they aggressively pursued when he became available. The guys that are out there, there's no newly available casualty safety option out there. So it's not a lot of it. So it's not a player. So it's like they're going to move aggressively here unless they decide that this is something that is a yeah we we need a starter badly situation sounds like it's a handstring for gino stone happened early in that preseason game hopefully it doesn't keep them out for long regardless of what they do here in the way of a move but if i were handicapping it from my perspective james

Starting point is 00:05:16 i don't think there's a move that's going to be made here in in that like i said in that noah fan world of things. If they're really dissatisfied with what they see, and PJ Jules is getting in with the ones after he made a play with the Tuesday on Saturday, we can talk about that as well and whether that continued in Sunday. But even if they're really dissatisfied there, I don't think there's like a $5 million signing coming at safety. You're talking probably like a less than $2 million signing if they feel like they really need somebody. Yeah, you're probably right. I think they'll tell you how they feel about their guys by their actions. And they believe in their guards more than we do. That's why they haven't. They didn't make us a substantial clear

Starting point is 00:06:08 cut free agent addition that is definitely going to start. And maybe they feel like Lucas Patrick is that. That's the guy who's probably going to start at left or right guard. But at safety, Geno Stone took a pay cut. They could have went after Blackman, who would 1,000% of the time signed with the Bengals over the Saints. That wouldn't have been a debate, right? You would have done that and probably get to start, push for a starting job, like all of those things with a team that has real playoff,

Starting point is 00:06:37 deep playoff run type of aspirations. And Blackman got $3.2 million just for the record. Yeah. Yeah. And so like that money's not the issue either. So it's... I think that's what they're going to do is they're going to see what they have in Dejana Tyson. And that's how they're going to view it.

Starting point is 00:06:53 And I don't, it's twofold. One, I would have signed someone before now, right? But now saying that at this point, do I think because Gino Stone, like, if you feel good about your safety depth, which maybe they don't feel good about it anymore, but they were comfortable with it. If you're comfortable with your safety depth, you're not going to be like, oh, well, Geno Stone tweaked his hamstring. now we have to go get Justin Simmons. Like that's, they don't, one, they don't operate that way. I'm not sure they should. What I would say is they should be operating in what Gino Stone was bad last year,

Starting point is 00:07:30 Jordan battles a question mark, Tyson Anderson on defense is a question mark, Deja and Anthony is a question mark, go get more experience and do it four months ago. Right. So that's where it comes back to, but I think that they're going to play this out and see what these two guys can bring. And who knows, maybe one impresses, but it just leaves us uneasy. certainly uneasy in a key area after watching the first team defense, at least most of the first team defense,

Starting point is 00:07:54 get torched a little bit by the Eagles. And PJ Jules is in the conversation on Saturday because he makes a great play, picks off Jake Browning with the second team, stays in with the first team. Did you see PJ Jules in there with the ones on Sunday, James? Is he still rotating in with those guys? I did not. I did not notice it, but they only did literally they did one team period. So who is the safety today?

Starting point is 00:08:17 I saw Tyson and Dejohn. Those are both rotating. At one point Jordan came off. One point Jordan was on with Tyson and then one point Jordan was on with Dejohn. So it's the next four practices and they have four more practices. They don't practice Monday and then they have four more before that commander's game. Going into the commander's game, that's going to determine a lot. And I'll be honest.

Starting point is 00:08:42 If I was Dejohn or Tyson, my mindset would be 22 isn't getting his job. job back. Does it doesn't mean that's going to happen, but that would be my mindset is. That's always, that should be every player, we've talked about this before. That should be every player's mindset at all times whenever they have an opportunity. Easy mentality for any NFL player. And so hopefully they do take it and run with it, right? It's not like Gino Stone was so entrenched like that he has all this equity built up. No, like they may didn't take a pickup. He had to prove himself. It's the other way. So it's, uh, it's just uneasy that we're talking less than a month from the start of the season.

Starting point is 00:09:22 And it's like, all right, guy who underachieve last year that your hoping bounces back, hamstring injury, two unproven guys on defense with a guy in Jordan battle on the other side. And we've talked about this stuff at various positions for the last, including this year, three years, last year, year before that. And then they don't make the move. And then it's an issue all year. And then we're sitting there talking about it in the middle of the season. Like, remember when we were talking about this in August and in March and in April?

Starting point is 00:09:47 You know, it's deja vu there as well. I will say this. It's nice that Tyson's getting some run here. I thought that the coaching staff preferred Dejan Anthony. That's been their preference for the last couple of years. So it's nice that at least Tyson is in the mix. We'll keep the conversation going as we shift our focus to the offensive line and some changes happening on the depth chart there. There is a Bengals have resumed practice getting ready for preseason week two coming up next.

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Starting point is 00:11:27 Stay tuned for more killer announcements and start playing Yahoo Fantasy football. Before we get to the offensive line, just last thing here, yeah, I am glad that they're giving both guys a shot here. Because you're right, it didn't necessarily feel that way. And this is, probably Tyson's loan chance, I would say. I mean, he's not in year two, like the Asian. This is Tyson's chance to show that he can be a safety, a regular safety in the league. Contract year for him, everything that goes with it. He's going into year four. Like,

Starting point is 00:12:06 now's the time. And so we'll see if he can do it. But yeah, they need someone to emerge there. And you're right. They've done this with all these positions, including offensive line. And now we're seeing it now. And even if you feel all right about Lucas Patrick, you can't feel great about what's behind him. You like Amarius and you like Orlando. I'm not sure you like what's behind him. The depth is certainly a concern at this point with, like I said, I've said it a bunch of times on the show already, the regular season breathing down our next less than a month away. And I don't think that's uncommon.

Starting point is 00:12:38 So there is that. We should bear in mind that a lot of the things that are impacting the Bengals right now impact a lot of teams in the NFL. And a lot of teams in the NFL had an opportunity. to make the same moves. The Bengals had an opportunity to make, and some teams will get lucky, and they'll have a couple nice depth pieces

Starting point is 00:12:53 on their offensive line. Philadelphia appears to be one of them, Jeff Stoughtland, best offensive wine coach in the league right now. He does a great job. But it's not like these are exclusively problems to the Bengals. What's frustrating about it is that we can all see this stuff coming

Starting point is 00:13:09 and often predict and have for the last couple of years, these areas where they're going to have issues, they had to make a mid-season trade for running back last year, all that sort of stuff. So hopefully it does work out with one of those safeties, but, you know, we're talking about hope again. On the offensive line, I thought there were a couple of interesting things that happened as the Bengals resumed practice. One, Dan pitcher talked to you guys that the media down at practices, I'm no longer there. So I say you guys referring to James and the rest of the media on Sunday after practice. So he weighed in on Lucas Patrick and Dylan Fairchild, and I think that's interesting.

Starting point is 00:13:49 But let's start with the big change, which is Jalen Rivers has moved to right guard with the second team, where he had been working at tackle. And Cody Ford, for two practices, has been working at the tackle spot instead. So now your guys competing for the backup tackle job appear to be Cody Ford, who I'd assume would be in the lead if this is indeed the competition and Devin Cochran. and Devin Cochran was the better of the second team tackles that played in preseason game number one. But Jaylen Rivers now working at Guard,

Starting point is 00:14:24 which is where some people thought he would be best suited in the NFL anyway. Unfortunately, that comes to the side switch for him. He played on the left side of Miami. He's playing on the right side with the Bengals now. But it could be as simple as the Bengals watched that first preseason game. And they decided we can't go into the season like that. our best bet is probably to get Cody Ford reps to tackle and to see if we can get Jalen Rivers to develop a guard.

Starting point is 00:14:50 It could be as simple as that. And if that's the case, you might as well make the change as soon as you can to get those guys as many reps as possible from here on out. That sure would feel better if they signed Brandon Sheriff. Yeah. That's it because then you have a guy that you feel comfortable starting that can back up multiple spots in Lucas Patrick.

Starting point is 00:15:13 You, you, and that's, that's it right there is one. If Brandon Sheriff suits up this year, it should be in stripes. Like, they should be proactive with that. It would be such a good fit. He's not coming off the ACL like Will Hernandez was. He's looking for a ring. All those, like if he comes back, that's certainly going to be on his mind. And so I'll throw that out there.

Starting point is 00:15:36 But even so, like how, and Dan mentioned that they planned on doing this, even Jalen Rivers snaps and doing it. But it felt really reactionary, Jake. That's what I'm saying. Like, it could be as simple as they watch it. And they're like, we better make this change. Yeah. I don't know how much I bought, like, because I was asking about guard for Jalen.

Starting point is 00:16:01 Yeah. Three weeks ago. And it was like, ah, yeah, ah, you know, like that. And so you're trying to figure it out. I hope he does figure it out. There are a lot of people that thought that guard from the jump and NFL evaluated. when it came to Jalen Rivers. But that's why it's tough to bank on rookies

Starting point is 00:16:18 and to bank on guys to come in in a fifth round pick at an offensive line spot to come in right away and be a quality backup, to be your swing tackle on a past first offense. Like that's, it's not easy. And it's a pretty tough path. And it's rookie. That's pretty tough.

Starting point is 00:16:37 Or to battle for a top eight spot, right? You have five and then you have three eight, three actives after that. It's just tough. Maybe he gets there. Maybe he gets there by week one. But I just, I don't like it. And I believe most of our listeners and viewers would say the same thing.

Starting point is 00:16:58 Like, why didn't you just add one more guard? Like, that's really it. Why don't you still just add one more guard? It still doesn't, I asked you this in person. We had left practice probably 10 days ago. I was like, do you think they know? I don't think they know. I think they're pretty comfortable with where they're at guard-wise.

Starting point is 00:17:17 just because there's a lot of dudes, and I keep saying dudes, there's a lot of humans in that room that can play guard and they're more confident in those guys than we are. I remember we did an episode talking about this a couple months ago where we were talking about where's the move they're going to make. And I think we mentioned tight end as a dark horse if somebody became available. But we were looking at how many players they had on the roster on the offensive line We're like, I don't think they're doing it. Unless there's somebody they're really, really excited about

Starting point is 00:17:48 that suddenly became available, like what we saw with Noah Fant, but that's not really happening with offensive linemen in this league. That's so rare. And it's rare anywhere in the trenches. You might mention Christian Wilkins here who remains out there and remains a bit of a mystery. But if Lucas Patrick were your swing interior guy, Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:14 And Cody Ford was your swing tackle. I mean, we'd still probably be talking about swing tackle here, but you feel better about it, about your interior depth. On that topic, have you seen any progress from Matt Lee, Seth McLaughlin this week as far as their participation level? Seth McLaughlin, I saw you had an article up about him expecting to play in the preseason at some point. Yeah, yeah. Jay's been all over at BengalsTalk.com. Seth McLaughlin started to take some team reps. He's starting to get there.

Starting point is 00:18:42 and uh doing some 11 on 11 so that's good uh we'll see but i definitely feel like he's going to play some preseason reps and and it's just a matter of what they what they do as far as position wise i assume it would be center but do they just go to go i don't know and that's a tough on mat lee to me like you know if it's if matt lee can play then maybe you give him some guard reps, but if it's Andrew Rame, you want a center out there. Yeah. Any progress from Matt Lee today in the last couple days? I'm trying to think.

Starting point is 00:19:23 I don't think I've seen him in team drills, no. But I don't think. I think this is very much a let's not push it because we don't need to push it type of thing. But at some point, you want to see him out there. Yeah. I want to see a center out there. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:19:43 Let's continue the conversation in your dreams fight. I think they're thinking like we know him. Let's not make this injury. Let's not put him at risk right now. I'm not saying to Russia if he's if he needs time to recover from whatever he's dealing with. But I would like to see a center that they plan to play center this year, you know. Regardless, let's. I would love that.

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Starting point is 00:21:34 Dan Piffer weighed in on the performance of the offensive line in preseason game number one. He was asked specifically about Lucas Patrick and Dylan Fairchild, sounded very pleased with Dylan Fairchild, specifically called out a nice stunt that he and Orlando Brown handled on a third down. Also mentioned a free runner that he said they should not have had. That was a touchdown pass from Joe Burrow to Jamar Chase said that there should not have been a free runner out the middle on that play. So curious to know what protection adjustment was not made correctly there. I like it when Dan pitcher talks so, James, because he doesn't mince his words when something isn't good. he's going to call it unacceptable, can't have that.

Starting point is 00:22:13 And he mentioned that about Lucas Patrick losing one rep a little too easily, falling off with some plays at the end of the play, but did say that he was generally pleased with Lucas Patrick outside of those couple of plays. It's just a limited sample size. So as we potentially see these starters more against Washington, and Lucas Patrick seems to have taken more than pole position, like leader in the clubhouse for that right guard job, at this point, especially if they feel like Cody Ford needs the reps to tackle.

Starting point is 00:22:44 We'd like to see a little bit more consistency from Lucas Patrick playing against a better level of competition because he got beat up a little bit by a guy named Gabe Hall, who was on the Eagles practice squad for all of 2024 and is pretty down on that Eagle's depth chart. Need to be a little bit better than that against that caliber of player if you're going to be starting in front of Joe Burr. up yes you had to go so deep in the depth chart that you're like wait who is this sorry i yeah i think gave hall had a really good game against lucas patrick which should

Starting point is 00:23:24 not be a sentence that i'm saying i think gave hall is someone that everybody went to high school with like that sounds like a guy like you remember gave from high school gave hall yeah that's not good i uh that that's the uneasiness i would be comfortable with lucas patrick our on game day being a backup at all three interior spots, right? And, and like he can be that. He can be what they wanted Cody Ford to be at both guard spots theoretically coming into camp. And then you have Ford being a guy that could back up both tackle spots

Starting point is 00:23:55 if that's how you view it, and then one more. But he's not. He's the starter. And if he's the starter, you're probably on good days, getting average right guard play. And on bad days, not. Losing to game hall. And that sucks.

Starting point is 00:24:13 If that's like your your ceiling is like average, well, then you're asking Joe to be Superman. And we're sick of watching Joe get hit. And so that's why again, again, and by the way, happy birthday, Mike Brown, believe it's today. If not, whatever, all the players, oh yeah, all the players went up to him. Yeah, I believe it was Sunday. For your birthday, pay a guard. It'd be great. It'd be great to say, you know,

Starting point is 00:24:40 what for my birthday i'm going to gift myself brand and share if he's available or if he's uh wanting to sign and maybe not maybe he's just done right but it just it feels like they're they're a piece away in that room and if it doesn't impact them right now it feels like it already is but if it doesn't impact them right now it's going to impact them at some point this season whether we like it or not Gabe Hall is going to be around. We have beaten the dead horse on the right guard conversation. Let's shift gears, talk defensive line a little bit here. Samar Stewart obviously working in with the ones in the absence of Joseph Osai since he was

Starting point is 00:25:21 nicked up a little bit on Saturday. It doesn't again sound severe, but they've got a lot of these kind of minor-ish sounding injuries between Mike Gisicki, between Geno Stone, between Joseph Osai. At this point, Daxil, not practical. They're still working him back in. BJ Hill not practicing on Sunday. Still easing him back in and it was a special team's focused day. So that makes sense.

Starting point is 00:25:43 But beyond that, what remains interesting to me, James, is what's going on at defensive tackle, where it looks like Howard Cross is still repping with the twos quite a bit. Taven Brian moving around a little bit. He did this in the game as well. I didn't notice it live, but Tav and Brian playing a fair bit of edge in that game and doing it in practices. as it sounds like still.

Starting point is 00:26:05 So they see him as a pretty versatile piece. They're moving guys around quite a bit. But the Howard Cross McKinley Jackson depth chart conversation is a weird one to me. I don't know what they're seeing with Cross that they like more than what McKinley's done. Because obviously in the game, McKinley Jackson was one of their better players on defense and Howard Cross was not. Did that continue over the weekend, James? Was Howard Cross still repping with the twos and Tavern? I saw him, yeah, yeah, because it's 95.

Starting point is 00:26:38 Yeah, he, I want to say he was in the borough scramble. Hold on, see, hold me pull the tape here, and I tweeted this playout for those wondering. I think he was. I'm pretty sure, yeah, he's in the borough scramble to Chase Brown. Yeah, so he was, he was definitely getting those reps. It was number 95 for those wondering, yeah. So it's, there were a lot of people pre-camp and right after the draft when he signed as an undrafted free agent like ah this guy's going going to push and maybe he is because he's he's

Starting point is 00:27:11 in he's on the field going up against joe burrow in a really competitive intense moment of practice on something i guess they think he well i don't guess i'm sure they think he's got a little bit more past rush juice than mckinley jackson who they probably still see as as more of a nose tackle run defense based down kind of player but i don't know maybe it's just because bjay jays Hill isn't practicing and that's shuffling everything around but Howard Cross definitely something to keep an eye on there is is where he's playing where McKinley Jackson is playing is McKinley Jackson's roster spot in danger here and we can we can start speculating a little bit about who is on the roster bubble after a preseason week and this will change throughout the preseason

Starting point is 00:28:01 that's how this works but that might be a project for tomorrow James and the conversation could be McKinley Jackson, Howard Cross, Isaiah Williams, five tight ends, which tight end might find themselves, the odd manned out. What are they doing at safety? The cornerback depth. All these different spots, even linebacker, where I think my perception of their hierarchy at linebacker is different today than it was going into training camp. A lot of those conversations to be had, and well, there's an off date tomorrow. So what better time than then to look at this roster? bubble a little bit, huh?

Starting point is 00:28:39 Yeah, and that is what you want. You want guys, one, playing their way onto the bubble, not onto the bubble in a good way, like, ah, we didn't have them making it when we did our last 53. Howard Cross would be one of those guys, potentially. But you don't want it to be the other way either. And what's interesting, you mentioned McKinley Jackson, like, there's more to that conversation, but he was really productive the other night. So what's the issue?

Starting point is 00:29:05 We'll figure it out. But yeah, it's going to be fun to look at this roster. You don't really get a ton of time to do that during camp. We'll get some time to do that tomorrow during camp where you get to really reflect and look at it and make some projections that I do think are going to be a tad different than they were a month ago when we did this exercise. Yeah, I think that based on the game,

Starting point is 00:29:27 there are some guys that need to show up in games, I think, that have been showing up in practice. And then there's some guys that showed up in the game that it sounds like need to be more consistent. consistent in practice. So it's balancing those aspects of all the coaches' exposure to these guys as they're making these decisions that informs our projections and thinking about, well, who is on the bubble of these different spots? So we'll dive into that thought process and project most likely tomorrow, unless something else comes up that we have to cover. That's the

Starting point is 00:29:59 plan right now tomorrow. I'm just kidding, but I would love it. Trey. So until then, Thanks for listening to this episode of the lockdown Bengals podcast. Hootan. And have a good one.

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