Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - BENGALS SQUAD SHOW: Ja'Marr Chase avoids MAJOR injury scare, Dohnte Meyers a LOCK to make this team?

Starting point is 00:00:01 Jamar Chase afforded a major injury on Tuesday coach, but it's an even better thing now that the Bengals now have the wide receiver depth that they have. Oh, amen to that. I happen to see it like most people live. And it's like, who that's an athlete who can recover from something like that. Dante Myers stepping up on the depth chart too makes it tantalizing. The Bengals are looking deeper than they have in quite a while at the wide receiver position. Today, it's the Bengals squad.

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Starting point is 00:01:06 joining us for usual. I'm Alex Frank. We got so much to get to today. Happy that you are spending your Thursday afternoon with us. Jamar Chase, obviously the big story this week going down in practice on Tuesday. But as he said, if there had been a game yesterday, he could have played in it. So that's good to hear. He said he just sustained.

Starting point is 00:01:22 and quote a little hyper extension end quote but i'm not going to lie gentlemen when i saw the replay on social media on tuesday of him going down i got a little bit nervous i'll know about you guys i got to the point where uh witnessing it on film i was like oh i did not want to see it the second time and then they were fortunate enough to come out and said the injury that he did had and i said okay that is uh that's great and that's a tough kid i was watching for the react You see him limping. You never want to see that crawling off the field, limping afterward. And then within minutes, he's walking around limp free. And sometimes you get those shockers that make you feel a little bit of pain right away, a little bit of concern, right? He immediately grabs for that knee as he lands on it, buckles a little bit. You get the hyper extension.

Starting point is 00:02:14 And it's hard to tell exactly how much that knee wobbles, how much subluxation, I think, would be the word that they use for those sorts of injuries occurs. from the angle that we have, it's not necessarily clear. And so the immediate concern is, yeah, for those knee ligaments, whether it's the ACL, LCL, MCL, MCL, any number of ligaments can be involved. It can look innocuous sometimes. It looked not too dissimilar to the Patrick Mahomes injury. So the immediate reaction was certainly one of concern, but not too long after that when he's walking around without a limp,

Starting point is 00:02:45 talking to Joe Burrough, talking to T. Higgins, talking to Dexter Lawrence on the field with a smile on his face, going through a pretty full range of motion that was captured in various photos and videos by the Bengals beat that was present for the practice, those concerns started to dissipate quite quickly because even when Shamar Stewart suffered his hyper extension that again looked quite serious, right? We saw that ugly video as well. At the beginning of training camp, he got attention from trainers on the sideline was immediately carted back to the locker room. Miles Murphy was carted back to the locker room for an IV when he was cramping.

Starting point is 00:03:18 But the fact that no cart came out for Jamar was reassuring as well. And so there were signs for those of us that were hanging on every video and picture that came after that injury occurred that suggested things were going to be okay. I think they are okay. And he has now a couple of weeks that there was a little bit of a injury there that he sustained any lasting effects from that hyper extension to get right for week one. And I would guess that if there's one player that has a wolf, healing factor on this team. It is Jamar Chase that we should probably see him full go once those

Starting point is 00:03:55 injury reports from practice start coming up in the week leading up to that Buccaneers game. And obviously the first injury report will come out that Wednesday, September 9th, leading into the week one game against Tampa Bay. Jamar Chase, of course, and all the other starters on offense and defense, not playing tomorrow night in Philadelphia for the preseason game number three, the final preseason game cut down day on Sunday. And they have to get down in 53 players by six o'clock. Jake, it's been a while since you've been on the Bengals you and Joe have been cranking it out on the lockdown Bengals throughout training camp in the preseason. Kind of give us on this platform, the Bengals' Squad Show platform,

Starting point is 00:04:29 what you've been most impressed with in the preseason, but also what most concerns you as we are just 19, I'm sorry, 17 days away from the regular season opener. I think the most impressive thing about this team this year, this iteration of the Bengals, is that the depth that they've added that has been discussed and has been large, theoretically theoretical looks like it's actually really truly quality depth through a couple of preseason weeks through the training camp practices we've seen that's i think best exemplified by the tight end position the wide receiver position on the defensive line where they have guys that go and go and go i think that's also true on the interior of the offensive line while the biggest concern

Starting point is 00:05:12 is probably that third offensive tackle spot now javon foster could run away with that job. Jalen Rivers could acquit himself quite well this week, avail himself quite well this week, and his final preseason game is probably one of those two guys. If they do go with a player on the roster, I think we're going to talk about that a little bit later, but certainly one of the concerns at this point. The other one that I would mention here that we're keeping a close eye on is how smooth is this heavy integration of under center game going to be? It's something that theoretically has sounded great for years. And Bengals fans have been asking, for more dynamic-looking offense with Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow for years.

Starting point is 00:05:52 And the common answer that we would give when presented with those questions or concerns was Joe Burroughs best when he's in the shotgun, things are spread out, he can read out the defense and be smarter than the defense. It's hard to fool Joe Burrow. He's a lightning quick process for one of the best to do it in the NFL and has, I think, without hyperbole, been compared to guys like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning for processing ability. And so when you take that element and change it a little bit with the under center play action game, I want to see how that transitions into the regular season.

Starting point is 00:06:27 I caution folks at the beginning of training camp and going into training camp that I didn't think this was some silver bullet that was suddenly going to bring explosiveness back to the offense just because they started to do it. You also need to be able to do it quite well. And it remains to be seen just how well or how long it will take for the Bengals to get to a place where they can be explosive with that part of the playbook. That being said, there are some advantages to come with it as well. Just the under center running game for this team can be effective. We have seen it be effective.

Starting point is 00:06:56 Excited to see the run game this year after it seemed like they really found their identity in that department last season. So that's the overall summary. The depth has been impressive. I've loved what I've seen from this rookie class, and that's a big reason that I'm bullish about most of the depth on this team. And then we're just waiting to see how exactly this undercent, your playbook is going to play out for them and how much they're going to use it and what shakes

Starting point is 00:07:19 out at the swing tackle spot. Very well said. You know what? I think that the under center game it's I think it's going to come down to as the season unfolds, how committed are they to it in an actual 60-minute regular season contest. And I think that that's when they will really see because, you know, it's a first and 10 or second or six or less is when they will utilize it. And if they can use it and first downs or second and medium or less, and it's not only functional, but it's very, very good. They'll stay with it on those downs. But when you get to the second downs, longer yardage, you know, they're going to put Joe back where he belongs

Starting point is 00:08:15 and where he feels comfortable and let him do what he does. And I think that it's a great addition. Let's just see how long they stay with it, how committed they are to it. And when they decide this team's not the same because defense will play differently, where we can best utilize Joe and all the other talent. You got to remember, all the talent is not necessarily, it's in the backfield in Joe Burrell, and it's outside with those guys. Well, that's a great point that both you bring up there.

Starting point is 00:08:47 And Jake, I think it's great that you caution fans, the fact that the under center may not bring the explosive element back. But coach, you like to mention this all the time, slow death. Well, if you go under center, you have the ability to more run the football and run the football in more variety of ways. You can do handoffs. You can do jet sweeps. You can do all these different things that can help run out the clock in certain situations when we get to the 60-minute game, four-minute offense, five-minute offense, two-minute drill, even. I don't think we'll see it then, but I'm just saying in different situations, we're going to be able to see how much the undercenter element is a part of the Bengals

Starting point is 00:09:22 offense and what it allows them to do that maybe we haven't seen them do in certain situations that may better enable them to, I think, potentially close out games. We've seen them be effective with this in the past with Joe Mixon, but since Nixon's departure, and that's several years now. And I'm not saying this is a Chase Brown thing. I think it's a personnel issue. I think it's transitioning to different run concepts. Orlando Brown talked to us a couple weeks ago or before training camp,

Starting point is 00:09:50 I guess about a month ago about the emphasis on mid zone for this team last year that they stuck with and eventually figured out and were really effective with, as he put it. And so part of it is schematic. But for the last few years, they really haven't been able to close out games effectively. And that has been as we're going to bring up another concern and really go searching for one. That is one that we're going to have to watch this regular season as well. and has been a point of emphasis from Zach Taylor over the last week after he wasn't super pleased

Starting point is 00:10:18 with the way his backups closed out that first preseason game and preseason week one. You know what I think it is. I think when they stay with it, it's situational. You know, like I was talking about before on first and second down, or at least, short yardage, goal line. Those are situations that are ideal to be under. But yet, what your quarterback does best, is the gun so I can see it probably, you know, offensively them thinking, they're thinking it's probably 30 percent, maybe 20 to 30 percent of the offensive play

Starting point is 00:10:59 calls, you know, with personnel added in, like 12, two tight ends, two wideouts, not necessarily as much as they like to go 11 personnel, but you can do it. And it's very, very, very amputation if you can do that. And they've got so many tight ends, you can go big. You know, if you go three tight end, you can go 13, that's tough. That's tough on defenses. If you can close out a game with your offense, with the ability to run the football, and you can load as put as many guys as you want to uprun,

Starting point is 00:11:30 sometimes the best thing for your defense is if they're not on the field to close out the game. If you can run out the clock and complimentary football, this team is going to be able to do that. And it's because, Jake, to your point earlier, the depth in theory that we've been talking about or been hoping that this team has all offseason. So far through training game and the preseason, I completely agree with you. I come away from them from the first two games thinking wide receiver depth is good. Defensive line depth is going to be good. And those are two things we have not said in a long time about this team.

Starting point is 00:12:03 And it makes a big difference. We still will have our questions. And I mentioned this yesterday on lockdown Bengals. have done enough that the days are starting to blur together a little bit. But we're going to start asking questions of the starters that we had questions about last year that we haven't seen a ton of in this preseason after this preseason game. But for now, we are still looking at the depth. And that is really all we can evaluate because that's all we can see.

Starting point is 00:12:29 And the, what, four wide receivers competing for one spot? Maybe it's three realistically. Noah Thomas is a very long shot. I think Noah Thomas has his fans in the building. I think he'll probably be back on the practice squad. But from Kishon Williams, Charlie Jones, Mitch Tinsley, those guys are very much in the mix for wide receiver six. And the Bengals just watched them,

Starting point is 00:12:56 the returner they tried to stash on the practice squad last year, get plucked by the Jets. And as Paul Daner Jr. pointed out, he was a Jets team MVP last year. And so they probably don't want to go through that situation again. That's probably why they're thinking. thinking long and hard about guys like Hisham Williams and Charlie Jones because Williams has a potential role as a gadget guy on the offense. And Jones has a track record of scoring touchdowns in the return game.

Starting point is 00:13:22 Mitch Tinsley, meanwhile, might be a better receiver than either of those guys. His highlight reel last year is exceptional, but he wasn't necessarily the most explosive player. Or not explosive, sorry, most consistent player-wide receiver where the explosives were there, the highlights were there, but some of the easy stuff, some of the routine stuff didn't show up as consistent. as you'd like. And then you've got the CFL story, the Dante Myers story, potentially the first CFL player to make a Bengals roster. Andrew Hawkins, technically, was CFL, but he was actually with the Rams that preseason before the Bengals claimed him on waiver. So the first NFL team he played regular seasons that's with after the CFL was the Bengals, but he did spend time in the NFL for a

Starting point is 00:14:05 preseason before the Bengals claimed him on waiver. So the Dante Meyer story is, uh, is something. And he looks like a guy that can actually contribute for you in a rotational manner. It looks like he might be Jamar Chase's direct backup. And that could be the role for him. And we'll see how that develops. Imagine saying those words before training camp started. Coach, I think what Jake is describing is the tough part of an NFL team because there are decisions that this team is going to have to make.

Starting point is 00:14:32 There are some tough ones. And you just hope as a fan. And I'm sure the coaches do too that they get them right. Well, you know what? first of all, Sunday, cut day is the worst day in football. Because people have worked so hard showing their abilities. And to have to let them go is tough, really hard day. It's very, very hard on the front office, and especially this year for those guys in the front office,

Starting point is 00:15:02 they're going to have to make some decisions, and there's going to be some stand on the table decisions. that whether it be contractual, whether it be, you know, from a playing standpoint, will be from a future standpoint that it's going to be a very, very emotional decision-making day. You know, there's some clear cuts that they know they're going to have to let go. And then there is also going to be some things that they're going to be watching the wires. You know, hey, if we let this guy go, can we pick him up? And then now you've got to let one of your other guys go. So it's going to be a full weekend for the front office and for Zach to get themselves.

Starting point is 00:15:47 And I'm sure there's going to be some very emotional ties in there because those kids have given a lot. And I think, but, you know, as a coach, you're saying you're always wondering, you know, when it's on one side of the ball or the other going, boy, I wonder what they saw that I did not see. And that's the concerning part that you have. And you just, hey, you coach the guys you got, you try to make them better, and then you get to the regular season and see how it flows. Jake, what one position are you going to be most watching for tomorrow in the third preseason game? That's a good question.

Starting point is 00:16:23 The returner battle is certainly very interesting. There aren't very many spots that are up for grabs, probably the one that everyone should be paying the most attention to and the one I will probably be paying the most attention to is going to be the tackles and seeing if anyone really plays exceptionally well and runs away with that job, I imagine they're going to get Jaylen Rivers

Starting point is 00:16:46 and Javan Foster reps on both sides at tackle, and it seems like it is down to those two guys. Coker, Andrew Coker, was seemingly ahead of Javon Foster early in camp, and that has certainly flipped over the last couple of weeks. So how those guys play, whether they show two-side adversity, because I think that's what you're looking for, looking for a swing tackle, right? Cody Ford isn't

Starting point is 00:17:07 going to be that guy for the team this year. And I think that's the right decision based on what he did in the preseason. But can one of those guys show you enough that you don't feel hard pressed to go make a trade, a waiver claim? Those guys will be worth watching. Also going to be very interested to continue to watch all the rookies out there. They've had such an impressive preseason. It's fun to watch these guys making plays, showing flashes throughout the preseason, showing the promise that we thought we were getting, especially with the six and seventh round picks, Brian Parker, Jack entries, Landon Robinson, showing the potential, Brian Parker looking like a potential starting guard of the future for this team. So seeing those guys flash and continue to get working in the preseason,

Starting point is 00:17:48 if we see them, we'll see how much we see them in this third preseason game, we might only see the guys that are really pushing for roster spots that are more in competition for the practice squad than the actual roster. So that'll be interesting to see as well. But the rookies, generally speaking in this game, as much as they play, will be fun to watch. Yes, they will. That's a great point. And coach, on Saturday on our post game show, we are going to give our preseason winners and losers program. You know, Jake and Joe Goodberry live, or I shouldn't say live, excuse me, they are going

Starting point is 00:18:19 with their show after the game tomorrow. Coach, you and I are going to be doing it a little differently this week. We're going to go Saturday early afternoon. Yours truly coach, Mike Santagana, Evan Stacy, our new lockdown bangles hit guy. So that's a programming note for all of you listening to us today. Up next, the best story of training camp in the preseason. And I don't know if we are truly grasping just how great it is. Bengals Squad Show today is brought to you by Indeed. So, you know, when workplace chaos hits and you need the right hire and deed-sponsored jobs,

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Starting point is 00:20:14 When you've watched features that the local TV stations have done, we've talked about him, coach, you and I let off our postgame show with Evan on Saturday night, talking about him, Jake, you and Joe, let yours off with the wide receiver depth. I mean, how big could this guy's role be? I mean, Jake, you're saying maybe he's Jamar Chase's backup potentially. I mean, how big is this guy going to play in terms of a role this season? I don't think he's going to be wide receiver three. I think there are a lot of Bengals fans who've wanted to see Andre Yoseva's job really challenged more than it has been in this preseason.

Starting point is 00:20:50 I don't think that Dante Myers is going to, at least at the start of the season, eat into that at ton. But I think what he can do is back up the slot and the Z, which is mostly what Jamar Chase is doing. He's not on the line of scrimmage. You got T. Higgins. He is made to play on the line of scrimmage and be that prototypical ex-receiver. and the backup X is probably more Colby Young than Dante Myers. Dante Myers is 5-9 and a quarter. He's listed at 5-11, and we got some comments on a lockdown Bengals episode yesterday that said he's 5-11

Starting point is 00:21:20 because they went to ESPN or Bengals.com saw that he's listed at 5-11. You go back to his, I don't know if he was invited to the combine, but his pre-draft measurements, maybe it was a pro day, he was 5-9 and a quarter, 5-9.25. So not a guy that's going to sub for T, right? that's a different body type. He's shorter than Jamar too, but can do a lot of the same kinds of things. He's also, I think, quicker than he is fast. You see the smoothness as an athlete, the smoothness in and out of breaks.

Starting point is 00:21:49 The transition from receiver to runner is excellent for Dante Meyer. So he's a yard after catch threat that the Bengals don't really have outside of Jamar Chase on this team, where Yoshi, they're radically should be that guy. He's just a little bit clunky as an athlete transitioning from a receiver to a runner, sometimes, a little bit mechanical as he gets through that, which he has his strengths for sure. It's just that's a little bit slow of a transition. At least it appears to be to me. And we'll see if that improves for Yoshi this year because he is a great athlete in terms

Starting point is 00:22:21 of tested athleticism, the Olympic level athlete, right? That's his background. And so he has that in the tank. It just doesn't show up on the football field. But for Dante Myers, it does. But how big of a role will it be for him? Right now we're talking a handful of snaps a game. And it's a question, I think, as to whether you activate him or Mitch Tinsley on game day in week one right now.

Starting point is 00:22:42 And that'll come down to how much special teams they play. Because once you get past those first three receivers, really what it comes down to is, are you a returner? Are you playing on any of our kick cover teams? Are you playing on any of our kick return teams? And at 5'9, Dante Myers' path would be as a returner. Kobe Young maybe could be out there on some other special teams units, but he hasn't played any special teams in this preseason so that doesn't seem to be the path for him as he's trying to absorb a very significant offense as a rookie and dante mires at least has years of professional football experience i

Starting point is 00:23:14 actually there's a guy who follows the bengals closely that i talked to who also covers a cfl he is an analyst for a cfl team and he's he told me when the bengals signed dante mire's not to expect a whole lot and that very very quickly turned on its head when we got a longer look at dante mire's and looks like he's taking his game to another level and put the work in this offseason. You know, it's odd that when you have watched, and again, one of the points that I'm not really excited about is that the starters have really only played 12 plays in the preseason. Yeah, they practice, but they haven't played. But with everybody else playing, Dante Myers shows up. he looks game ready.

Starting point is 00:24:05 He looks as if he can play. And whether, you know, I think that you've got two greats. And if he can find a niche on this team and, you know, being that size, maybe Joe doesn't like him in the slot because he's got bigger targets at tight end, at slot receiver right now with Andre with Yoshibash with T. You know, he's got bigger targets that he can see. And maybe he hasn't found his niche yet whether he can actually beat that dynamic slot player. And that's where you want your quicker than faster guy in certain offenses where he can catch it and get yards out to the catch. And that's your first down guy. And then the other guys are big play

Starting point is 00:24:54 guys. So I'd like to see how they're going to how much they're working him at slot. if he plays slot tomorrow night. And how they're going to, you know, that's going to be one of those tough decisions. You know, again, just like Jake was talking about. Okay, what has he, have they moved him into a special team's role? Because usually if you're a smaller receiver, you better be able to return. And that's kind of the, has been the going. trend as of late, you know, to be a part of a football team.

Starting point is 00:25:32 And I think that it's going to be interesting to see how they utilize him. And he has been getting work in the slot. He has been getting work as a returner. And so those are part of the role that they're envisioning for him. I think when I see Dante Myers rolled this year, I'm thinking, like I said, backup slot because the Bengals are going to put Mike Keseki in the slot quite a bit, Andro Yosevosh in the slot quite a bit, and Jamar Chase in the, in the slot quite a bit. And you might even see more of T in the slot than last year. So they're going to

Starting point is 00:26:03 move guys in and out of the slot to try to see what kind of matchups they can get. And the only thing I think that Dante can't do, based on what we've seen on the football field is it just doesn't really make any sense to put him at X. Like you have T. Higgins. You have Kobe, Colby Young to play that role. Jamar will do it sometimes. Not very much. He can do it. He knows every receiver rule in this offense. But from a body type, yeah, you got to go out there and show that you can be a reliable returner because Gishon Williams and Charlie Jones, the other two guys vying for that final spot. And I don't think Dante Myers' roster spot is in jeopardy at this point.

Starting point is 00:26:37 He's working in with the ones after Jamar went down in practice, catching balls from Joe Burrow, catching balls that required Joe Burrow to really trust you, that back shoulder ball in particular that shows Joe Burrow trust Dante Myers. We learned after that last practice of training camp, the last practice of the preseason before cutdowns that Joe was out there with Dante Myers for 40 minutes after practice. And that's a regular occasion between those guys getting extra work in. And so when you have the quarterback's trust, the coaching staff's trust,

Starting point is 00:27:05 I think he's safe. But then it comes down to, I think they also trust Mitch Tinsley quite a bit to play. Again, I think every wide receiver role in this offense, I think he knows that pretty well. They like him as a blocker as well doing the dirty work. Dante Myers is going to be limited in that capacity due to his size, right? And so they need to make sure whoever that six guy is is getting you value. you. Now, if Dante is going to be your return man, primarily, then maybe you go Mitch Chensley for that six spot with the highlightability we've seen and the versatility that he has.

Starting point is 00:27:34 But if Dante isn't going to win that return job, and it's got to be one of Keisham Williams or Charlie Jones, and you're going to go with whoever's the best returner. And Keisham Williams gives you a little bit more as a gadget guy. You've seen him successful on end of rounds. He's got that quickness, that suddenness to him, like Dante Myers, again, effective on those end of rounds reverses in this preseason. And so those will be the wide receiver depth battles that we're watching on Friday night. Well, this is all a good thing. And Dante Myers isn't necessarily a lock to make the 53-man roster,

Starting point is 00:28:04 but it sounds like because I kind of see it that way at this point. We'll see, I mean, like, let's see if he plays. Let's see if he even plays on Friday night. If he doesn't, then you very much know. But the way they're treating him, it's everything but a lock at this point. In my opinion. I think it's a good way to put it. Because I mean, look, let's be honest.

Starting point is 00:28:24 It's not like he's a first round traffic. We have to, you know, admit that here. So I don't want to say it as a lock in that regard. But at the same time, the fact that he was running with the ones this week, the fact that he was, you know, running with the starters. And Joe Burrow spent 40 minutes with him after practice. Keep in mind that this is a wide receiver. And Joe Burrow will, you know, for better or for worse, be defined by his wide receivers,

Starting point is 00:28:47 Jamar Chase and T. Higgins. So the fact that he's investing in this wide receiver, he got him up to send him up to Cincinnati to, you know, for a throwing session. Now he's spending time throwing with him after practice. He wants to make sure if Dante Myers is going to play a significant role, whether it be in the receiving game or special teams, that he's ready. And that's a credit to Joe Burroughs leadership. Now, Jake, you remember this name. Remember seven years ago, Zach Taylor's first season, Damien Willis was the story of training camp in the preseason. He makes the, not only the 53-man roster, but he was listed as a starter on the depth chart for week one. This story,

Starting point is 00:29:23 to me, I think it's the chance to be better than that because of what Dante Myers can do. It's a little bit more comparable to even Mitch Tinsley last year, where Tinsley was a highlight reel in the preseason, too. And that's why he made the team. He was electric in the preseason. That Washington game, two touchdowns, multiple spectacular catches. The guy produces spectacular catches. Dante Myers wins a little bit differently. But yeah, it's interesting. They've had a few wide receivers over the years that have been very impressive in training camp. You've got to see it carry into the regular season. Yeah, no question about it. But the thing is, Dante Myers looks like he belongs. I mean, because you're seeing him, you know, running crossing patterns and slap patterns,

Starting point is 00:30:04 and you're seeing him turn on the jets. He's got great hands, soft hands. This is what you want to see from the best story in training camp. Coming up next, the Bengals made a big move, a bold move earlier this week and it raises questions about perhaps the biggest concern on the Bengals roster going into this year. The Bengals Squad Show today is brought to you by Odu. I can get my script up here. There we go. Running the business shouldn't feel like you're trying to connect a bunch of systems that were never designed to work together. One app for accounting, another for inventory, another for sales, yet somehow none of them work together. Isn't that frustrating? That's where Odu comes in. Odu is an all-in-one business management software that brings every part of your business

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Starting point is 00:31:50 roster of 53 players. Cody Ford. released by the team, cut by the team on Monday. Gentlemen, I can't say I'm surprised by this. I think Zach Taylor and the organization handled it the right way to give Cody four time to potentially find another landing spot in the NFL. Because, I mean, let's be honest, he got a significant playing time with the Bengals. I mean, he started a bunch of games in 24 when Orlando Brown Jr. was out.

Starting point is 00:32:15 But now the focus shifts to what are the Bengals going to do at swing tackle before the start at the break of the season. I was actually surprised that they actually pulled the trigger. It's going to be interesting to find out because, you know, like you said, Alex, you know, he's got plain time under his belt for whatever reason. He has not shown it. And, you know, they wanted to cut him loose so he could find another spot, another position. Hathie yet, that I haven't heard.

Starting point is 00:32:48 But I've seen some other people pick up back. or backup tackles off of waivers and trading people for guys. And so, you know, I don't know what the word is out on, on Mr. Ford, but that does put them in a situation because each of the last two preseason games, we saw Koker there at backup left tackle, the first preseason game. And then we saw others last week. And it's like, whoa, okay, we've got guys and we're mixing and matching and moving. them all over, but we haven't found a consistent winner at that spot who can play both and be

Starting point is 00:33:34 able to, because that's what that position is going to have to do. They don't have their job to do they've got two. And different stances, different work, this takes a special guy to be able to do that. And I think that it's going to be very interesting to see if, you know, if they, who they have, have as a target, possibly on somebody else's team, and how they're going to get them. And what are they going to do with the other ones? Do they cut them loose? Do they keep them back, bring them back on practice squad? Do they, again, have people on their football team that don't last and they turn them over to other people.

Starting point is 00:34:14 So it's going to be very interesting. It's a tough position to be in. And you would have thought, because that was a, I remember in the spring, we had talk considerably about, okay, we need, this is what they need, let alone the defense, where we need, who is that swing tackle, who is that third guy inside because you only get to draft seven on game day and who that number three is going to be, or number four for those inside three positions that's going to be able to play all end or at least one of them. you can start to shuffle cards to get a game done.

Starting point is 00:34:52 Luckily, we have the newish rule that allows you to dress eight now. That's a new rule in the last couple of years. If you dress an eighth lineman, you can actually get one extra guy active. So the Bengals will have that going for them if they want a couple of interior pieces to back up. But, yeah, I mean, it's going to come down to, I think, very much, Jalen Rivers and Javan Foster there. Because that Cody Ford cut, I mean, you said it shouldn't have. surprised anybody, Alex, I was surprised when they actually pulled the trigger and moved on. I didn't think they'd do it. I thought they were showing that they were going to give him every

Starting point is 00:35:25 chance to make this team. When it didn't work at guard, maybe he was going to, when it didn't work a tackle, maybe he was going to work a guard for him. And that didn't seem to stick either. And so I was surprised in the end, but whether or not that guy is on this team that's going to be the tackle, the third tackle all year remains to be seen. I was quite impressed with the trade. maybe that is overstating it a little bit. I think that the trade the chiefs made is a kind of trade the Bengals should be exploring, trading a future seventh round pick for a player with experience at four offensive lines spots, both in the regular season and preseason.

Starting point is 00:35:59 He's played left tackle, right tackle, left guard, right guard. And he's played it at a reasonable level in the preseason and has even had some relative success, hasn't totally embarrassed himself in the regular season. So that's the kind of trade that the Bengals could be exploring here. and we'll see if they get an answer to the satisfactory as far as the guys they have on the roster, right? That's the big question. Do they actually have the answer on the roster right now? Well, one of those guys impressed enough on Friday that the coaches and this front office don't feel like they need to make a move.

Starting point is 00:36:32 I think the biggest thing for me when it comes to Cody Ford is the fact that the Bengals are saying, even if you've been here for multiple years, your spot is not necessarily safe. And I think about it in terms of Chris Jenkins, I think about it in terms of McKinley Jackson, I think about it in terms of Josh Newton. Just because you've been here does not mean you are guaranteed a roster spot if you haven't been a consistent starter on this team. And that only is going to bring out more competition that brought it out in training camp in the first two of preseason games.

Starting point is 00:37:02 And it's going to bring it out again tomorrow night in Philadelphia. So, I mean, there's a sense of urgency. And it's not just from Joe Burrow. it's from Zach Taylor and the entire coaching staff. If you're not performing, you're not going to be on this team. And that's, I think, a message they sent to Cody Ford. I like that too.

Starting point is 00:37:21 I got to take off here in a couple of minutes. So I'll just close on the thought that it's really refreshing to see the Bengals continue to do a few things a little bit differently. Like the big thing is Dexter Lawrence trade. That's a big thing, keeping both receivers. That's a big thing. Restructuring Joe Burrow. That's a big thing.

Starting point is 00:37:37 But doing these little things, too, of like moving on. and being honest with themselves, not embracing, and they might do this in some ways, but holding on too long, liking their guys enough that they hold on a little bit too long, it's nice that they're being decisive about that in the moment. So that is a refreshing change from this team leading into this season that clearly their feeling is meant to be a big one, and they want it to go well. And now you've got to run real quick, Jake. Cassius Howler or Miles Murphy, who do you think starts?

Starting point is 00:38:11 at the start of the regular season. I don't think that's even a contest. Cassius is going to come off the bench. Miles Murphy is going to be the starter. I don't think that Cassius ever really made a case to start, but Cassius has certainly made a case to get quite a bit of playing time and very excited to see how he fits in. It's just with his size, we'll see how he holds up against the run in the regular season.

Starting point is 00:38:31 I think they'll try to hide him from the run a little bit. They'll use him a little bit more clearer passing downs to set him loose and let him maximize that past rushing toolkit that he has, which is different from the other guys on this team. It's a lot of fun to watch. Jake Luscoe back on the Bengals Squad Show today. You can catch him and Joe Goodberry after the Bengals and Eagles game tomorrow night on lockdown Bengals coach.

Starting point is 00:38:53 You and I will be doing our post game show with Mike and Evan Saturday afternoon. Coach and I will continue on this edition of the Bengals squad show. Jake Liskow, always great to have you on. We look forward to talking with you during the regular season. Don't forget to catch him and Joe on Locked on Bengals. Coach, as we continue here, got about 20 minutes left here. I do think when it comes to what happened Tuesday and Jamar Chase practicing and T. Higgins immediately removing his gear, that kind of irked me a little bit. Now, I understand they were technically still in training camp, so you want your guys practicing full speed.

Starting point is 00:39:32 But now, as we head into the third preseason game, starters aren't playing. this is about the guys battling to make the roster. If I'm Zach Taylor, I'm shifting into a mindset of how can I best get my star players and my starters to week one healthy? Shouldn't that be the goal? Well, at this time, yes, but not necessarily last week. That's what I made a comment earlier. my issue right now is that the starters have truly only played, you know, what, 12 or 13 plays of actual play it.

Starting point is 00:40:10 And yeah, you could practice and you've seen injuries happen in practice, but not in a game because the tempo and the speed is different. And even though you go through a joint practice, it's not playing a game full speed getting tackling, getting hit, getting pushed in the pocket, scrambling, doing all the other things. It's a protective practice. And so that bothers me a little bit. But you know what? When you have the mindset as a player and as a coach of holding your breath for week one, you're losing a lot of time, preparation time to get them A in shape.

Starting point is 00:40:58 football shape, not just running shape, but football shape, and you're doing, allowing them to do things that drills don't naturally allow them to happen. The intensity level isn't quite there. And football is really a crazy sport that you just cannot flick the switch and people respond. It's a building. It's an everyday thing. The great Al Davis used to say it's reading, writing, and arithmetic. every day that you have to do that. And then you become not a good team, but a great team. And you can't show vulnerability by holding things back. Because you know what, if you hold it back, I mean, it's no different than the people that have won their division

Starting point is 00:41:48 and they sit guys going into the playoffs. You lose a tremendous amount of momentum that has been built. up in the chemistry that camp and preseason games and playing every day does for a football team. You've definitely given me a new side to this because I'm of the essence. And I think this is all started with Zach Taylor's predecessor, Sean McVeigh, because he doesn't play his starters in the preseason. He started that trend nine years ago when he first became the Ramset coach. And every team, I feel like it's done it since because you want your guys to be ready for the regular season. But if they're not in football shape, I mean, the other point is, coach, it's hard.

Starting point is 00:42:27 to just, you know, turn the switch on and, you know, play a football game. I mean, maybe that's why Aaron Donald hasn't come out of retirement yet. He hasn't played a football game in three years. And people, and people are like, well, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. Well, it hasn't happened yet. And there may be a reason for that. So, yes, the Bengals had that joint practice with the Bears.

Starting point is 00:42:46 I mean, I think that was good experience for the starters. And, you know, the offense has been going up against the defense. And iron has been sharpening iron. But even a preseason game from what you're saying, gosh, it sounds like it still is totally different than what you're going up and in practice. The game is totally different, no matter how many times you try to simulate it. And I've never played the game to quote the great Howard CoSell, but like, from what you're saying, you can't simulate game speed in practice.

Starting point is 00:43:18 You cannot. You cannot do that. And you cannot simulate situational football in practice. Yeah, you can simulate it and you can work on it, but it's not the same when you're going against a different opponent. The speed is different. The coverages are different. Are you calling your situation on football against this coverage? And all of a sudden, in a game, they give you something else.

Starting point is 00:43:44 Where is your checkdowns? How are your usages of checking the ball underneath and moving the ball and advancing the ball? Where does that all pertain and play? And it also, what a game does is it allows the coaches to start to think about situations and other things. And yeah, they're doing it with a different body. But you know what? They do not have Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, or Joe Burrow competing in a game in that scenario. And that's the important thing, regardless of how many years they've been in the league.

Starting point is 00:44:21 The Aaron Donald situation, at his age, he does not. want to go through camp. So he's teasing it all the way. And then all of a sudden, some more, some poor schmuck is working his butt off trying to make the team. And Aaron's going to show up, take his job, and boom, that guy's on the street. I've been looking for that guy. Wow. Didn't expect you to get that candid. Listen, okay, and that's the topic we're going to talk about on Saturday show. A preseason to regular season, if what we like them, the preseason, the fact that the starters only play 12 snaps or 15 snaps, however many it was. I think it was, still, it wasn't that much of experience.

Starting point is 00:44:58 And it came against the backups of the lines. I don't think anybody would have faulted Zach Taylor if he played the starters in the preseason game, one or two series against the Bears, because the Bears actually did play their starters. Now, we did see some good things from guys who are battling to make the team. And look, I think it is a balance between playing your starters, but also playing the guys who were battling to make the team. But this also is in 2012, where you had four preseason games.

Starting point is 00:45:24 you only have three. The starters from last year, they're making the team, more than likely making the team. It's the guys behind them that need the playing time. I think that's what we've shifted to. But it also does create the conversation of is a team ready for the regular season? Now, Chase Brown says they've had one of the best training camps in a long time. That's good to hear. And coming from a player's mouth and a veteran, I'll believe it.

Starting point is 00:45:48 But again, September 13th, we'll find out. And I'm overstate. Hey, you wonder about starting fast. You got to play fast. And that's the thing that really at game four is when everything gets kind of, you find out your identity of what you're going to be. The identity is already there. And so I understand that with their thought process about not playing anybody.

Starting point is 00:46:13 But it goes back to the old question. The reason why they got through got rid of four games is because the fans didn't want to see all the other guys. guys, they wanted to see the Joe Burroughs, the T. Higgins, the Jamar Chase, the Chase, the Chase Browns, the Dexter Lawrence. I mean, they want to see those guys, and they saw them. If you went up and got a hot dog and a beer, you missed him. And you got to wait until the regular season. So play them a little bit more. They can handle it. Give them some time off and practice. If you want a hot dog and a beer, have one at the tailgate. And there's a reason I don't go to concessions during games.

Starting point is 00:46:54 Because, yeah, I don't know what I'm going to miss. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, seriously, speaking of game four and starting fast, it was announced earlier this week that the Bengals ruler up the jungle for week four. Their game against the Jacksonville Jaguars will be CJ Usama, who announced his retirement on Monday, signing a one-day contract with the Bengals. Coach, what do you remember most about CJ Usama as a Bengal? Oh, just a great.

Starting point is 00:47:20 great your perfect teammate and your perfect as far as kind of your Swiss Army knife was able to do a lot of a lot of things and a lot of spots and was really contributed to the to the makeup of the football teams that he was on you know I think that he was just one of those guy's core players that doesn't get a lot of attention, but without him, you see where he really fit in. It was really, really a value. Five touchdowns in 2020 in the season in which the Bengals wins the Super Bowl. He played in that Super Bowl with a knee injury that he sustained in the AFC championship called two passes for 11 yards in that game. And here's a stat that I don't know if many people have put two and two together. It's okay if they haven't. He caught Joe Burroughs

Starting point is 00:48:13 first regular season touchdown pass in 2020 week two with Cleveland on Thursday night football. He caught Joe Burroughs first postseason touchdown in the wild car game against the Raiders in January of 2022. Class Act all the way around. CJ Uzama and a great teammate, the boisterous vocal leader of that 2021 Bengals team. You know what else you need to start fast though, coach? A sense of urgency. Joe Burrough certainly has it and it should squash this other potential narrative about him. There's no question. We've heard a more, urgent sounding Joe Burrow coach this offseason. And I heard something earlier this week.

Starting point is 00:49:00 I was watching The Horde with Colin Coward. And his co-host, Jason McIntyre said that every interview he watches, every press conference he watches with Joe Burrow, it seems like he is unhappy. I don't get that sentiment. I think he just knows the fact that he hasn't been in the playoffs in three years. And the fact that he's battled injuries, he had his 2024 MVP caliber season wasted.

Starting point is 00:49:25 I have a sense of urgency, too, if I was that good, wouldn't you? Oh, absolutely. You know, what? In the face of the media, Joe is not, you know, vibrant. He's not, you know, that overexcited guy. He is very stoic, and he gives out, and I think that, you know what, he has a chip on his shoulder about everything that has happened to, A, him. be offensively what the offense has done and be the or see the franchise and he really detests what has happened he was on the threshold they were on the threshold of being that team

Starting point is 00:50:10 they could continue to have success and then all of a sudden bam for three years whether it be injury whether it be forgetting about the defense and not building them back up whatever the case may be, something happened and it put the bull's eye right there on what he is seeing as, okay, things are done right. This is serious. It's not about just giggles. This is a serious deal. And this is going to be, this season will be my legacy or the start of my legacy. Because everybody in the league forgets about 21 and 20. They forgot about that. Just like they forgot about the Super Bowl I won in, you know, 2002. I haven't forgotten.

Starting point is 00:50:55 I don't. I haven't forgotten. Oh, I appreciate that. But you know what? I think that he is a very serious and he's very stoic and he knows what he has to do, which is be a dominant leader. And we don't know because we're not in the locker room, but you can tell by how everybody responds to him, he is.

Starting point is 00:51:20 and you can tell that he's got one goal in mind, and he might have it on the car. Hey, L.A. or bust? You know, that's where we're going, and it's all in. Everything is in. So all the rest of you need to join in. And I think that it's working because we talked about it last week with the preseason game. Even those young guys, they were having fun, and they were having fun, winning.

Starting point is 00:51:45 And winning is a heck of a lot more fun than the other way around. You know, they always say, what's a happy team? Is a happy team a happy team or is a winning team a happy team? Well, a winning team is a happy team. Because other than that, like he's quoting Joe, then why do you do it? Think about this. So when Joe Burrow comes into the league, he's coming off a national championship in LSU, he won the Heisman trophy, set all these, you know, records individually,

Starting point is 00:52:12 LSU greatest offensive team of all time. He comes in not knowing what he doesn't know about. the Bengals organization, all these, you know, whatever that the national media chirping, trying to tell you, within his second year, he's in the Super Bowl. He finds immediate success in the NFL. He's becoming a fashion icon of the league, stuff like that. Joe Barros is a smart man coach. He's been in the NFL for, he's going into his seventh season.

Starting point is 00:52:38 He's seen a lot, both good and bad. I mean, he's not 25 anymore. He's going to be 30 in December. So he understands. I know I'm still really good. I also know what this league is like. I understand how thin the margin for error is. I understand that, you know,

Starting point is 00:52:57 I could be sidelined on any given play, although he's not going to, you know, go in with that mindset because he's not, he plays the game with a fearless style. But you want to talk about the pressure that he is putting on himself and the team? Yeah, the Bengals are a happy team. Darn it, they're also a focused team.

Starting point is 00:53:16 Yeah. And if it starts from your franchise quarterback, that right there is, that's setting the tone in a big way. No doubt. No question. You hit it right on the head, Alex. I tell you, the other thing is, this kid has done it before. Okay? He grows up in Ohio.

Starting point is 00:53:39 He, my dad and brother go to Nebraska. They don't want him. So he goes to Ohio State. basically the doors closed there he goes somewhere else and has to reinvent himself and he wins a national championship number one player chosen in the draft and then all of a sudden now boom right away he shows what he's making he's in the playoffs he's in the super bowl and then all of a sudden it backs off he gets hurt he does this he this is a man that can reinvent himself as he He sees it and he can push his will on his teammates.

Starting point is 00:54:20 And I think that that's what you're seeing right now with the way that they are practicing, with the preseason that they're going, and with how he will continue to drive this team to A, a fast start and to B, being consistently good. And I think that that is something that this young man number nine's got, that there's a lot of quarterback. You wish all your quarterbacks had it, but there's not a lot of quarterbacks in the league have it.

Starting point is 00:54:49 I think that also explains why he came back last year after missing nine games. The Bengals were three and eight, and they still had a shot at the playoffs, but it wasn't good, but he still came back for a reason. Because he understands his role and his value to this team and this organization and this city.

Starting point is 00:55:09 The fact that he did that, and then had the game he had on thanks. Thanksgiving, two touchdown passes and that great touchdown to Yosebosha. And we had fun on the post game show that night because Joe Burrow was playing football and winning on Thanksgiving. He has a great end to the regular season. And yeah, that last game wasn't, you know, particularly great. But, you know, he had two other games with 300 plus passing yards against Miami and against Arizona. The bank was put up 45 and 37 in that game.

Starting point is 00:55:35 Four games they put up 30 plus points with Joe Borough playing. So it is clear that when. Joe Burrow is out there. And if the Bengals start winning, and especially winning early, you want the fun Joe Burrow, the Kauffin and Joe Burrow that you saw in 21 and 22, you'll see it. But again, this isn't those teams. Joe Burrow has a different role on this team now. Joe Burrow doesn't have Uzama or Tyler Boyd, you know, or Joe Mixing even to be those boisterous leaders. He's now got to be some sort, some form of that. I'm not saying it's to be, you know, the raw, raw boisterous guy, but he's got to be it to a small degree, I think, and I think he

Starting point is 00:56:16 recognizes that. The self-awareness that Joe Borough has, it's not that he's unhappy. He's happy here. Look at the offseason the Bengals had. But he understands, you know, yes, we got really close five years ago. That was five years ago. If they had won the Super Bowl then, might have been a different conversation. He knows what this team has to do.

Starting point is 00:56:37 He's been there. He knows what it takes to get there and believes that this team can do. it. And if Joe Burroughs says something like that, you kind of take you with more than just a grain of salt. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, and I mean, going back to even last year that you were mentioning, he came back, I believe it was a week early, but he had set his sights on that Thanksgiving day. And my concern going in was, has he had enough practice reps to be in time with the White House? Well, he proved me wrong, which was awesome. And he just continued to play. And I think that this young man is a special, special, not only quarterback, he is now putting the general's cap on.

Starting point is 00:57:24 It doesn't have to be the boisterous guy. He is in total control when he is on the field, on the sidelines, or in the locker. And when the rest of the team can switch over and say, this is the man we're following, you'll jump in foxholes for him. and the guys up front, the guys on the other side of the ball, hey, then it's a good time because you have to have a Brett Farr. You have to have those leaders that can pull the trigger and really make stuff happen. Well, Brett Farr can make any throw he wanted to. I mean, you look at the throw that he made to, oh, who was it in the playoffs in 93?

Starting point is 00:58:08 Was it Sterling Sharp? in that, who was it, in that 93 playoff game in Detroit, it was, I think it was a sharp. I mean, you remember the play. It was in the silver dome. He rolled to his left and then threw back right. I mean, we're talking about one of my all-time favorite quarterbacks. So, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's impressive the quarterbacks that Joe Burroughs been compared to. And if they win this year, if they win the Super Bowl this year, your legacy is forever changed.

Starting point is 00:58:39 No. Because if you have that Lombardi trophy in your building, you are instantly judged differently. Look at Seattle. Seattle's got two. They're judged differently than they were just 15 years ago. Joe Burrow understands that. And that's why we're seeing the sense of urgency from him. It's not that he's unhappy.

Starting point is 00:59:01 It's just that he's laser focused. Absolutely. He's tired of talking and manifesting it. He's ready to go out there and do it. it. Like, Tag is cheap this time of year. He's just ready to go out there and sling it.

Starting point is 00:59:16 Saturday afternoon, about 1 o'clock coach you, me, Mike, Evan, on our Bengals squad show post-game edition following the Bengals and Eagles, where among other things we will talk about, the potential 53-man roster that the Bengals will have, wide receivers, Charlie Jones, tight ends, other fringe players, plus our preseason winners and losers. We'll talk about Cassius Howell versus Miles Murphy. And if there maybe is a chance that Howell get significant playing time and preseason to the regular season. We touched on it earlier today,

Starting point is 00:59:45 but how much can we really take from the preseason from the starters into the regular season? For Coach Arfellarone, for Jake Liscoe earlier at Jake Liscoe on Twitter, I'm Alex Frank at Branky underscore Natty. Thank you for watching and listening to the Bengals Squad Show right here on lockdown Bengals and the lockdown podcast, Network, your team every day, celebrating 10 years of being your team every day. And we are the number one sports podcast, Network in America, and the world. Bangles Eagles tomorrow night, 8 o'clock on CBS, Andrew Catalan, Ross Tucker,

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