Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Big Bengals Contract Decision: Time to PAY Chase Brown?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Bengals running back, Chase Brown is interested in an extension, and the Bengals typically don't get ahead of the game. Will they make an exception for Brown? Let's break it down. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day and the number one sports podcast network in the land. James Rapine. I'm Jake Lisco. We've been locked on Bengals here for you since 2016, bringing you daily coverage of your Cincinnati Bengals, your best one-stop shop for all the news

Starting point is 00:00:44 and analysis you could ever want, you could ever need about your favorite team. And as we're in the Senior Bowl, we're in the off season, well, there is some news. It's the Super Bowl Radio row right around the corner, which means a lot of players around the league partner up with corporate sponsors and have a little media tour this time of year. And one thing we're going to be watching next week is whether Joe Burrow has any media partners that he makes another tour through Radio Row with the way he did last year when he talked about all the players, the Bengals needed to resign and extend. And this year, T. Higgins and Chase Brown both partnering with Bounty and doing some

Starting point is 00:01:28 interviews this week. And there's news for both of them. T. Higgins is heading to a Pro Bowl. Congratulations to T. Higgins. We'll talk about that a little bit later in the show. And Chase Brown has revealed that his side anyway is working on an extension, James Rapine. And this is a topic that we've alluded to over the last week as to whether the Bengals should be considering spending significant money at the running back position. For whatever you think about Chase Brown as an individual player, this conversation always happens with the running back position when money starts to be.

Starting point is 00:02:02 a part of the conversation. Yeah, shout out to that paper towel company for allowing us to talk with T and Chase and the most listened to and watch Bengals, but I'll wait. Yeah. We weren't on the list. So I'm going to publicly be a jerk about it. Look, I know it's, it is time. They're going to make their rounds.

Starting point is 00:02:22 By the way, Joe, as in Joe Burrow, if you're making your rounds, come on, come on lockdown Bengals, please. I'll get ahead of it. They'll take eight minutes. Yeah, we can do it virtually. And I promise we won't ask you anything too crazy. All right, there we go. There's my spiel, Jake, which you didn't know was coming.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Oh, boy, Chase Brown wants an extension. This is such an interesting one to me because on one hand, this could be a really simple extension that makes sense. On the other hand, this could not make any sense at all. And an example of that is just, what, five years ago now? wait five six 17 18 19 no yeah it was so six it was in 2020 when joe mixing gets that extension going into his last year of his rookie deal like that got weird at the end and it was ugly at the end and the juice wasn't worth the squeeze at the end there for for what the bengals are

Starting point is 00:03:21 looking for is it different with chase brown is chase brown a better fit what's the money like i think there's a lot of a lot of variables here i do like i do like a couple of things I really like about Chase Brown. One, he seems like a really straight shooter. Like after the Denver game, finish the effing game. Like, I love that. And I think he's critical of himself in the same way. So there's one.

Starting point is 00:03:45 Two, he's been really darn consistent and has gotten better in the areas that he needs to be better at in this offense. Pass catching, past blocking. That's not, they don't throw the ball at Illinois. He had 328 carries his last year for the Illinois. So they're not throwing the ball. a lot, but he, he's evolved his game. He's adapted his game. And he's become a really darn good player. And so on the surface, certainly open to paying a guy like Chase Brown. I agree with everything you just said. Chase Brown has gotten better each year in the NFL at different

Starting point is 00:04:21 things. We've seen him take steps as a pass blocker, which obviously is critical in the Bengals offense and as a receiver, which obviously is critical in the Bengals offense and being able to turn little checkdowns into seven to 15 yard gains. That's an important skill for the Bengals to have in this offense, and you need somebody reliable to do those things for you. James Brown has largely done that. His yards per attempt has gone up every season, and his role has expanded every season from being a sixth round pick,

Starting point is 00:04:50 fifth round pick. I don't know why I always think he was a sixth round pick. A fifth round pick, he's certainly what you would call a success story. If you were going to say draft, develop, retain, and you get a starter, a quality starter at that in the fifth round, that would be a candidate for retention every single time. It just gets complicated because simply he is a running back. And he is not one of the top three to four running backs in the NFL who you would say are game changing. And further, and this is where it gets specifically interesting because someone in the NFL is going to pay Chase Brown. and there are a bunch of comparable contracts that we can talk about that exist that will model Chase Brown's eventual extension or contract, whether it's in Cincinnati or elsewhere.

Starting point is 00:05:38 The Cincinnati Bengals specifically do not prioritize the running game. And it has increased its efficiency, specifically last year. We've seen them be really efficient in the run game before, but the identity of the offense is always going to be a pass-first offense. passing rate over expectation is always going to be near the top of the league. They're always going to start this thing with Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, and T. Higgins. They're going to structure their offensive line. More around pass blocking, the run blocking and the run blocking stuff they do, which, again, crediting Scott Peters, took big strides in 2025.

Starting point is 00:06:17 And there's some really cool adjustments that they made in the running game as the season went on. It's the same thing when you talk about using a premium draft pick on a running back to me, James. Like how much of a different does it make to this offense? How much better does it get? Because I don't believe, and maybe they prove me wrong on this, right? I don't believe they would ever really feature that running back in a more significant way than the running game is already used as long as they're building the offense in Joe Burroughs way. And so that's a different conversation. I think when you start to talk about drafting and running back and improving at the position.

Starting point is 00:06:52 But that fits into Chase Brown because it's should. you stay cheap at that spot? And this regime, this recent team building strategy for the Bengals seems to be prioritizing that more than they did when they extended Joe Mixen. So that makes it an interesting topic for them in the building as well as for us outside of it. Yeah, it's interesting. It is because Chase Brown is in Jamir Gibbs. Okay. Like that's same draft class. That's why I'm using him. He's not B. John Robinson. I think with those guys, like if you have that kind of talent, you do have to run the offense through them to a degree, and you do have to find ways to feature them

Starting point is 00:07:28 and make sure that they're not part of the offense. They are the Jamar Chases of the offense. And he's not that. Because if he was, then you would. And that goes into the drafting conversation, which we can have later and all of that. But he's still really good. And so what is he?

Starting point is 00:07:48 Is he Kyron Williams? Is that the comp? Is he someone in that range? all right, well, in this offense, is that worth it? And that's what you're asking. Like, he's not, I don't think he's a top tier guy, but is he? And the question extends, is that worth it when you have all the money they have allocated on the offensive side of the ball allocated on the offensive side of the ball?

Starting point is 00:08:10 And so if good, not great, right? There's one. Good, not great. And I think that's where it starts for me. Because if it's great, I'm willing to spend on great players regardless of the situation. and the Bengals should be too. Like just in overall philosophy. Good, not great.

Starting point is 00:08:28 Still really good, though. Okay. Is he, T is a need? I think about this from 13 months ago. When I asked Joe Burrow and he said, T is a need, yes. And it just felt like three, what, two days after that Monday night game,

Starting point is 00:08:45 I asked him Wednesday at Paycor Stadium. T is a need, yes. Is Chase Brown in our eyes a, a need. Do they need him? And I think that's where it goes. That's especially given what you do have invested on that side of the ball, given why you've lost the way you've lost. And given that he may ask for significant money, I think that's the question. Jake and I are going to answer that question, is Chase a need and maybe dive into what the contract could look like as well? Jake has some numbers and I don't know what they are. So it's the ultimate tease because I have no idea what the hell he's going to

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Starting point is 00:11:41 Is he worth it? And going that route and using that, is he a need the same way T. Higgins felt like a need and was really obvious for us for years? I mean, years ago now, we were saying, oh, well, extend T, get it done years ago. And so it only got done last year, but that was something that both of us were pretty bullish on. Do you feel the same way about Chase Brown? Yeah, we were bullish on it just to be 100% clear about that. We actually had a comment about this that I happened to see yesterday, James, said that, you know, when it became apparent that the Bengals did not seem to be on a trajectory to extend T. Higgins, we started talking about life after T. Higgins.

Starting point is 00:12:21 and that was because that was a reality at the time. And as soon as it was apparent that the Bengals were considering, oh, maybe we won't actually let T. Higgins walk. Then we started to consider it as a possibility again. But there was a change. And sometimes circumstances and facts change behind the scenes. And the reason it came up was in relation to Trey Hendrickson, a bridge that seems to be burned.

Starting point is 00:12:42 And if that changes, of course, we will let you know if we think that has changed. But just a little soapbox moment there related to one of the comments that I happened to read recently here. Chase Brown being a need is a tough conversation, man, because you're projecting a roughly $10 million contract. That's what I was told. I talked to Josh Kiepo, who is the new contract projection expert who's working with pro football focus and talked with him about what a potential extension for Chase Brown

Starting point is 00:13:12 would look like. And the idea was three years for 30. And guaranteed money may or may not. be an issue, depending on what Chase Brown is looking for in terms of year two guarantees. This is always a topic of conversation with the Bengals. They, of course, have structural approaches that involve not guaranteeing that money. Don't need to get into the weeds too much. The idea would be, though, because an extension then spreads that money and that cap hit,

Starting point is 00:13:43 including the last year of the deal. If they were to reach an extension this year, bring some of that cap expense into the current year, you're talking about four years, 33, 35. million dollars or so at the end of the day which puts you right around nine million yeah and it would depend on the specifics right like where exactly everything lines up it would be right around nine million ish per year a little bit a little bit less we'll see what the guarantee would have to be right but nine million more dollars on on that side of the ball the bengals are currently in terms of positional spending for 2026, spending the 10th least or so at the running back position in the NFL,

Starting point is 00:14:27 they're spending the 9th least or so, maybe their 12th least on running back and 9th or 10th least on offensive line right now. And they're managing that while being a top third of the NFL offensive spending team overall in terms of cap allocations. Again, that's Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, right? So do they have the ability to go near the top at another position? Because if you were to spend, even $10 million per year puts you in the top half of the league at running back. The only running back is getting $10 million or more per year right now on an active contractor, Aaron Jones, Kyra, James Cook, Josh Jacobs, Alvin Camara, Jonathan Taylor, Derek, Henry, Christian McCaffrey, Saquan Park. That's it.

Starting point is 00:15:14 Do you want to spend that much money on a running back? you get worse if you don't have Chase Brown. You need a plan. You need a succession plan. You would need to figure that out. But how fungible is Chase Brown? How much could you find a player that could step in and do roughly what Chase Brown does for you without taking a big step back on offense? That's the question.

Starting point is 00:15:34 And to me, I think that's easy enough to do that I would not classify Chase Brown as a need in the way that some of these other guys that they extended last offseason were much clearer in that category to me. Yeah, I totally get it. Now, by the way, I know why you say Chase Brown's a sixth rounder. It's because on Spotrack, he is a sixth rounder. It's not Spotrack for sure. I hardly look at that website. Oh, well, it says round six. So that's why, but he's definitely a fifth rounder in 2023.

Starting point is 00:16:02 So they're wrong. Anyways, I was like, oh, I was looking at the potential money that he could make this year. And that's the other thing is he got that escalator. We talked about it a few weeks ago. he's going to make 3.6, 3.7 million this year. And that will be his cap hit without an extension. Yeah, 3.6, yep. I'm open to extending Chase Brown.

Starting point is 00:16:26 Those numbers in general on the surface look okay. This is where it becomes complicated. And this is where the Bengals would need to sit down with me and say, all right, well, if we extend Chase Brown, it's going to keep us from doing this. Right. And I need to know what the this is. Yeah, because that's how they work.

Starting point is 00:16:42 T. Higgins, correct. T. Higgins didn't get in the way of anything. And a lot of these national idiots that don't know, or will say it on social media, like, oh, well, shouldn't have paid three guys. All your caps paid three guys. They didn't know what else to pay? They didn't know what else to pay?

Starting point is 00:16:54 That's why the whole T thing flipped is because Joe was like, you better pay T. It better happen. You better not leave the cover completely bare. All these guys that you should have paid, they didn't pay. And you drafted the way you drafted, and suddenly there was no one to pay.

Starting point is 00:17:08 So there's a big difference there. I think with Chase, it could get in the way. Like, do you want to Chase Brown extension? Or do you want Leo Chanel? Do you want to Chase Brown extension or do you want a Brian Cook? And I'm not saying I would operate that way. The answer is always both and more and you can do more. But knowing the Bengals, that's it.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Like, that's part of it. Do you want a DJ Turner extension or a Chase Brown extension? Do you want a Daxil extension or a Chase Brown extension? it's that's what's tough that's what's tough about it do you want jalen rivers and a rookie edgard or do you want doughton risner edgar i don't think that would get in the light but you're getting my point is you're giving up something knowing the bengals something would be sacrificed with the chase brown extension i would need to know what that was and what it is if it's oh well we're going to go into the draft and we haven't addressed swing tackle and free agency okay

Starting point is 00:18:11 or we're going into the draft and we haven't addressed starting linebacker in free agency or starting safety in free agency. Well, that feels like a different conversation because Chase Brown is under contract this year. He is here. And I don't want an extension eating into their cap space this year if it's going to prevent them from adding another potential starter or a player that's going to contribute a lot and going to matter when these games really start to matter in September. importantly eat into the amount of cash the bengals are interested in spending spending all season all the cash at jake lisco money bens baby i don't they they continue not to

Starting point is 00:18:51 manipulate the calf right and so we end up looking at all right well what about cash spend can we can we get a better handle on what they'll do from a cash spend perspective we can project the cash spend based on the amount of revenue they're getting from the NFL. We can tie it to the salary cap. We can look for trends there. The last couple of years, they've fallen short. The last couple of years I sat here at some point in free agency and said they still have money to spend when I'm looking at their cash situation. And then they haven't ended up making that one extra signing. The last two years, I think, we've had these conversations. And so the cash spend part of it, I think, definitely would loom large over the soft season because it's, because it's a cash spend. I think,

Starting point is 00:19:35 if you're giving out, say, big signing bonuses of one of the corners, let's be conservative, one of the corners in Chase Brown, and those are the two extensions you get done. And they get out ahead of it early. And it saves themselves money in the long run. But now they have those two big signing bonuses that they're paying out this year. Does that restrict what cash are willing to spend for free agency? That cannot be the case. And that is the concern with them, because that is how they operate, both from a cap perspective and a cash perspective. If it's something a little bit less, Like if it was $8 million a year, does it change the picture at all? Maybe.

Starting point is 00:20:07 If it's like a little bit of a cheaper contract, does that maybe change the math with the cap continuing to go up? Does it change their math? You know, it's all about them, really. Like, that's my concern. Yeah, you're right. You know, the Rams are paying everybody. Rams pick, Kaird. The Rams also have like 30 players on rookie contracts because they had 15 picks and two drafts or something.

Starting point is 00:20:29 You know, like that's part of it too is accumulating. No doubt. It gives you a lot of cost-controlled players. You hit on guys, it matters. There's no doubt. Certainly part of the equation. T. Higgins, first Pro Bowl. I was actually surprised.

Starting point is 00:20:42 Like, I didn't realize it was his first Pro Bowl. You didn't? Wow. Yeah, I just assumed. Just talks about the Bengals every day of his life. Doesn't know that T hasn't been to a Pro Bowl yet. Come on. Oh, man.

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Starting point is 00:22:09 locked on NFL. Just go to Indeed.com slash locked on NFL right now. Make sure you let him know that Lockdown Bengals sent you terms and conditions apply hiring. Do it the right way with Indeed. Looking at just statistical output from T. Higgins, I guess it makes sense that he's ever been to a Pro Bowl. He's always been outside of the top five in receiving yards and receptions and hasn't necessarily been at the top of the leaderboard for any of the major. receiving categories until this year where he happened to lead the AFC in touchdown catches as a wide receiver and that gets in the nod as an alternate he finishes the season of course with 59 catches goes for 846 yards

Starting point is 00:22:51 11 touchdowns 14 yards per catch which is a pretty good number but I assume it's the touchdowns to get them there James and my favorite thing about this is that he is rewarded with a Pro Bowl nod for whatever you think of the Pro Bowl, and we've alluded to the embarrassment that is the Pro Bowl at this point with Shadur Sanders being a Pro Bowl quarterback, T. Higgins getting rewarded with the recognition

Starting point is 00:23:17 after he takes the extension, knowing that he could have gone and gotten 50, 60 more targets if he had gone to a different team. If he had gone and said, you know what, I'm going to really force the issue, I want to go be a free agent. I want to go be a free agent.

Starting point is 00:23:34 I want to go be a wide receiver one somewhere. I think it's awesome that T gets rewarded after he decided to return knowing the opportunity that he could have had in terms of targets elsewhere. Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think T did a lot to come back. I mentioned part of it, but T did a lot to come back. There was a lot done behind the scenes. And I've joked with him about it.

Starting point is 00:24:01 One day, maybe we'll find out the entire story, everything that he had to do. to return and just doing that alone. Like Marvin Jones wanted to go be a one and he goes and replace Megatron in Detroit. Now the Bengals still could have done what they needed to do to try to keep him. But losing him led, losing Marvin Jones led to the John Ross pick and led to searching and searching for another receiver. And then you're kind of barren with AJ Green until you go into and get who, T. Higgins. He's delivered.

Starting point is 00:24:35 He's well on his way to being an all-time great. I was looking yesterday after they announced that he was going to be a pro bowler. And I was like, well, where does he rank? And it's wild because Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, you could argue are already the best wide receiver duo in Bengals history. Jamar has 54 receiving touchdowns. T. Higgins, 45. T has back-to-back double-digit receiving touchdown seasons. Jamar Chase has never done that.

Starting point is 00:25:02 Chad Johnson never did that. Carl Pickens did it, 94 through 96, and AJ Green did it, 2012 and 2013. So he's only the third bangle to ever do it, and he could tie Carl Pickens if he does it again this year. He's awesome. Like he could easily be a one, put up those numbers with Jake Browning

Starting point is 00:25:25 and then the Joe Flacco, and obviously start with Joe Burrow and end with Joe Burrow. And so to do that, it shows how good he is. also I have a point about the the pro bowl that I want to get to because I do think it matters when it comes to T's future. But before that, just looking at it, I think Jemar Chase and T. Higgins are going to end up first and second all time in Bengals history and receiving touchdowns. T. Higgins has 45. He's sixth all time. And I already mentioned Jammar. So like don't look now, but in like two years, we could be talking about first and second all time in receiving touchdowns.

Starting point is 00:25:58 Yeah, I mean, you go back to 24. And I said that T hadn't been near the top of any of the major receiving categories, but he was third in the AFC and receiving touchdowns in 2024. And that's when Smart Chase had a triple crown. Yeah, first this year, second in the league. But the volume just hasn't been there for T to get to the Pro Bowl because he's playing on the same team as Jermar. But he's still producing. And when you watch it from like a film perspective, the guy is just an awesome wide receiver.

Starting point is 00:26:26 Joe Flacco talked about it. How impressed he was with T's ability to just catch outside his frame. Joe Flacco, who's been in the league for 20 years, played on all these teams with all these receivers, still finding ways to be surprised when he comes to Cincinnati and sees how T. Higgins plucks the ball out of the air, how Jemar Chase plucks the ball out of the air. So truly spoiled to have both of these guys on the team. Really fun to have both of these guys on the team the first time the Bengals have sent. And this is really rare.

Starting point is 00:26:54 two receivers to the Pro Bowl since Chad and T.J. The last time we were spoiled to watch, two great receivers doing it, and Jamar and T are doing it. I believe younger, because I think Chad and T.J. were both pretty old as rookies, relatively speaking. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:11 There you are. And it took them a few years to get there. So really cool for both of those guys. Excited to see them. I have one important point here that they should refuse to take the field with Shadur Sanders in the flag football game. I think that the AFC should, no, I'm kidding. Their players are going to stand with each other, right?

Starting point is 00:27:33 But it's just ridiculous. What's your point about the problem? It is ridiculous. This is, and I haven't seen this anywhere else. It's a T. Higgins audition. Because I totally could see a scenario where T. Higgins is the best flag football player on the Bengals roster, including Jamar, including Joe. like the best.

Starting point is 00:27:56 The Olympics are two years away. Having a six, four long-armed, big-bodied guy that just goes up 12 feet in the air and catches the ball. Well, T's gotten really, really, really, really, really good at that. So if he's awesome in the Pro Bowl, not that it matters one way or another, but I think he's a real candidate for the Olympics in 2020.

Starting point is 00:28:16 You know what? That gives me an idea for that I would love to see at the Pro Bowl, spice it up a little bit, is put the current, flag football team that's like the NFL players shouldn't get to do this this is our sport let the NFL guys play against the the current US flag team how do you guard tea well that that's what they're saying though like I want to see them try to walk their walk you know that's what they're talking they're saying this should be us we're better than the NFL guys let him go play yeah

Starting point is 00:28:48 I think that'd be fun yeah that's who has more all right now I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a uh A random Bengals, we're going to end with a random Bengals trivia question. Are you ready? Sure. Who has more receiving touchdowns? Receiving touchdowns in their career. Brandon Tate in their Bengals career. Jordan Shipley, Andrew Hawkins, or Anthony Munoz.

Starting point is 00:29:20 Anthony Munoz is on this list? I'm just asking you. He might not be. Anthony Munoz is a real curveball. What was it? What was the four guys? Shipley, Hawkins, Munoz, who was the first guy? Dugans.

Starting point is 00:29:36 Or Tate, Tate, excuse me. It wasn't Dugans. Yeah, Brandon Tate. So it's obviously not Brandon Tate. Tate, Hawkins, Munoz, and Shipley. I don't know. So my into, so Shippley had the good rookie year. Yep.

Starting point is 00:29:59 But then he got hurt. Yep. Hawkins played longer, but I don't remember him, scoring a ton. I have no idea whether Anthony Munoz had touchdowns or not. Is this receiving touchdowns only? This is touchdown receptions. Touchdown receptions.

Starting point is 00:30:14 What did Shepley have? Do you have six as a rookie? You tell me? How many did Hawkins ever? I'm going to go Shepley, but if it's Munoz, I won't be shocked. It's kind of a trick question. Hawkins had four. Munoz had four.

Starting point is 00:30:31 Munoz had four. How in the world does he have four that's what stood up to me obviously we weren't around then so uh shipley had three tate the reason i mentioned dougans is because dougans also had three but the munoz one i was like oh my god and uh yeah it's just i thought shipley had six as a rick because he only had he had the good rookie i thought he had i thought he had more touchdowns as a rookie yeah he was really good that rookie year that's that's really the only thing he did though 600 yards 614 yards so it was a tie There wasn't a single answer.

Starting point is 00:31:05 It was Munoz or. Munoz or Andrew. Or Hawkins. Yeah. There you go. Which, man, you imagine being a receiver and being like, yeah, the same amount of touchdowns is the best linemen of all time. That's funny.

Starting point is 00:31:18 I mean, Tom Brady, Tom Brady is still one of the leaders in receiving yards after the age of 40 in the NFL at like a negative number. And Jerry Rice is the only guy to ever do. Yeah, that one, that one's pretty funny to me. Receivers past 40. Uh, good stuff about that going into the weekend with that. Anthony Munoz secret weapon. Get back out there.

Starting point is 00:31:39 Receiver baby. So. So. Yep. What? Cody Ford's like, what? We'll see it. We'll see if Cody can catch them.

Starting point is 00:31:47 That's going to do it for this episode of the lockdown Bengals podcast. We've got the senior bowl to wrap up next week. We'll have a guest hopefully or two to talk about the senior bowl next week as that will now be behind us. I mean, then we got the combine coming up quickly after that. Yeah, we're going to have to get into like the all senior, last year we did an all senior bowl mock draft, I think. I don't know if we can do that in the top 10 this year. I don't know if there's a top 10 guy at the senior bowl. But what, now you're not a trench fan anymore?

Starting point is 00:32:18 What happened? I'm just kidding, trench man. That's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Until next time, thanks for listening. Who day? Have a good one. I'm so torn and confused.

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