Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - David Bailey vs Caleb Downs: Analyzing Bengals' Top Targets in 2026 NFL Draft

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

The Cincinnati Bengals have plenty of intriguing options in the 2026 NFL Draft, including Texas Tech pass rusher David Bailey and Ohio State safety Caleb Downs. Jake Liscow and James Rapien are joined by Mike Santagata of BengalsTalk.com to discuss Bailey and Downs, what they'd add to the defense and which one he'd take if both players were available in the first round!Everydayer ClubIf you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans.Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonpodcasts.com/everydayerclubJoin the Locked On Bengals Insider Community! https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbengalsFind and follow Locked On Bengals on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bengals-daily-podcast-on-the-cincinnati-bengals/id1159723162Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7AObc0lh0WmQl5fJVgtajsGoogle Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb25iZW5nYWxz?sa=X&ved=0CAYQrrcFahcKEwio_sXtj8nuAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAgStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-bengalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!TurboTaxFor a limited time, you can have your taxes done by a local TurboTax expert for just $150 — all in, if a TurboTax expert didn’t file for you last year. Just file by February 28. Visit http://TurboTax.com/local to book your appointment today.FanDuelUse your Profit Boost on an NBA future and get entered for your chance to win a trip to the NBA Finals.Play your game with FanDuel, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Visit https://FANDUEL.COMto get started. IndeedListeners of this show get a $75 Sponsored Job Credit to help give your job the premium placement it deserves at http://Indeed.com/podcast.ZocdocStop putting off your doctor’s appointments and get the care you need.Go to http://Zocdoc.com/lockedonnfl to find and instantly book a top-rated doctortoday.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In our first mock draft Monday of the year, James and I had to pick between David Bailey and Caleb Downs at 10 overall. Let's dive into those two players in detail in what they show on tape. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. your team every day in the number one sports podcast network in the land. James Rapien and I are joined today by Mike's antagonist who has watched David Bailey and Caleb Downs in depth. And we're going to dive into what those guys could bring to the Cincinnati Bengals.

And it's timely because in our first mock draft Monday of the year, we had to pick between those two guys did James and I. And well, if you're in every day or you've probably heard that mock draft Monday. If you're not, you can go check out that little two round mock draft Monday that we did. that was posted early on Monday and here our process and how we got to the pick we got to. And we're going to finish the show

with what Mike would do and how he would approach that decision. But how we want to start today is by diving into what exactly David Bailey and Caleb Downs are. Mike is well into his college film watching for our annual draft spreadsheet process where we evaluate all of these guys

and combine the film takes with a bunch of data scores, and come away with an overall draft score that is informed by the data that we think is predictive at the NFL level and takeaways on tape. But what we're going to do today is talk about what Mike saw on tape with these guys. And let's just start with David Bailey, the edge rusher that I think from a positional value point of view would certainly be in consideration for a lot of teams in the top 10. Not that Caleb Downs isn't, and we will get to Caleb Downs. But let's start with the David Bailey eval, Mike, because I think you and I see Bailey somewhat similarly. I know we've talked about him a little bit before, but when you watched his tape,

do you see the ceiling of potentially best pass rusher in the draft? Best pass rusher in the draft, yeah, but also going through, they've got Ruben Bain, and it's not a lot of guys that I think are going to end up being extremely high-end pass rushers. but Bailey's a guy that I think could. He looked at him as a pass rusher. The thing that's most important to me is a guy's ability to get off the ball. I can't think of many, if any. They use a couple outliers of edge rushers who are very good pass rushers,

but also slow off of the ball. It's just because that sets you up for everything. You can win outside doing that. That sets you up to then counter inside. It also gives you a speed to power moves. So now you have three moves, one way to win, all three ways against an offensive tackle as an edge rusher. So I think Bailey's getoff is good.

I don't think it's elite. I think it's good, though. I think it's actually similar to Baines. I think Bain and him both have a very good, but not in that Miles Garrett, Von Miller, honestly, though, Trey Hendrickson type of tier, because when I look at next-gen stats,

I see Trey Hendrickson all the time. Get off. Top five out of everybody, right next to Nick Bosa, right underneath Miles Garrett. I don't know if he has that level of getoff, but I think just the tier underneath that, that's like, yeah, he can use this to threaten offensive tackles. Just don't know if he's going to threaten Lane Johnson out of his stance by just his speed.

But normal guys, yes. So I think the pass rush ability is there. What I question a little bit is he's got a pretty good move set. I kind of question the lower body flexibility just a little bit for a guy that is his size a little bit thinner. They usually are also very bendy, very big. turning corners and able to their ankles flex, the flexion of their ankles and their hips are able to, you know, turn these corners at insane angles. I didn't really see that from David Bailey. I actually saw a little bit more of,

ooh, he didn't actually turn that corner and you think of how you can kind of flatten the angle. That's how I think of him doing more than him being able to not just flattened, but kind of make that Von Miller, whatever type of play you think of where they're getting pushed and they're still able to turn it. up field and get to the quarterback. I think he might be a guy that does get washed through the back of the pocket a little bit with some of these moves. But I do like the move set because it gives him a little bit more of a pass rushing floor where he's not 100% just learning moves to how to beat offensive tackles.

But yeah, as a pass rusher, I think he has the ability to be the best in this draft. I don't think he is head and shoulders above Rubin Bain as a pass rusher. But that's also probably why Bain wasn't available in the mock draft or at 10 usually. Yeah, he was not. Full disclosure, Ruben Bain was not available. How? Because when we were talking about David Bailey, obviously size came up and we think about the Bengals and they're certainly going to wonder about his size. And I know they think AFC North and physicality.

And they think of all those things when it comes to edge rushers. Is David Bailey ready for that? Do you think he could come in, make an impact year one, given his move set, the limitations, potentially physically and how physical this division is because I know that's what the Bengals will ask when they evaluate it. It's a big question because for me, I didn't think his run defense was more than fine. And you've gotten away with Trey Hendrickson being a fine run defender, but that's with Trey Hendrickson being an A plus pass rusher.

Do I feel David Bailey's going to be such a good pass rusher year one that they can't take him off of the field? Probably not, right? He might be more of a third down specialist. maybe he comes in he's able to beef up a little bit and handle some of these double teams and whatever else gets asked of defensive ends in the AFC North when you have Darnell Washington at 320 pounds at tight end blocking you. It's a little different than the tight ends of the big 12 trying to block you. So that's, I think, a good question. And it's where I would land on, I think it is going to limit his playing time a little bit.

They're going to see Miles Murphy, 270 pounds, Jamar Stewart, 270 pounds. and go, these guys are going to handle a tight end like Darnell Washington or an offensive scheme like what the Ravens have done trying to bully them and get downhill more than David Bailey at 250 just based off size. And we're probably going to get more of that offense with Todd Monkin staying in the division going to Cleveland. And presumably the Ravens continuing to build their offense

around Lamar Jackson and Derek Henry. The last player of comparable size to David Bailey that the Bengals drafted was. probably Jordan Willis in 2017, at least on day one or day two, he was 255 pounds of the combine. We'll see, I guess, next week, right? Or no, in two weeks, what David Bailey weighs at the combine, and we'll get a feel for how he tests.

Is it next week that the ends? Names and dates. Jake is just lost in the sun. Well, the combine is two weeks long. Yeah, it's next week. It's next week. Because the ends are early. Oh, he's still thinking.

You know, it's next week. I don't have to look. I know it's two weeks. It's all weigh-ins and stuff we don't see at the start. I get it, Jake. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Combines really long. And next week is, it's Monday.

No, it's too, yeah, it's Monday. So it's, uh, I'm traveling tomorrow, man. All my dates are messed up. We'll get back to this thing and we'll get into Caleb Downs. David Bailey has some size limitations and some run defense limitations. I think also some hand usage stuff personally. I know that didn't come up. He's got a bunch of pass rush moves.

None of them really. involve consistently landing his hands. And something that we might talk about a little bit more when we talk about Rubin Bain with Mike. And that might be something happening in the near future as well. But coming up next, we'll dive into Caleb Downs and a guy that we know Mike Santaggart really likes on tape. A lot of you, the listeners, really like from watching him play college football at Ohio

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Like they just love the idea of the on-field back-end guy that's going to lead, nowhere to put guys, put out the fires that have been firing since Jesse Bates left town three years ago. What stands out the most about him? Obviously, you like him. We know that. We've texted a little bit about it. Why Caleb Downs and why is he such a. a great prospect.

I think he's an extremely smart safety. That's one of the most important things for being a safety where sometimes the athleticism is one of the positions that's a lot of them kind of comes second, where Jesse Bates didn't have extremely fast straight line speed. And yet, when you bring in guys that are faster and whatever else, they aren't making the same reads at the same time. Jesse Bates used to be so early on some of the stuff that he'd be out of position to pick it off and would have to bat it down because he jumped it.

He knew where the quarterback was going for the quarterback did. I'm not sure Caleb Downs has that type of C into the matrix type of processing at this point. But I do think he's really smart. He takes away what the offense wants to do very often. I think he's very technically sound. I think he's missed some tackles when you look at it statistically. But his tackling form, his technique is really good. He keeps his cleats in the ground.

He wraps up. He's not a safety that sees a guy running down the sideline and pulls up and gets out of the way. he's a guy that will hit him out of bounds. He's a guy that tries to bring people to the ground, tackles, wraps up. I really like him in both pass and run defense. His size, he's not an outlier. I think that's another thing you might look at as a negative just because, but to me it's recent he buys.

You look at Kyle Hamilton, Nick Eam and Worry, it's like, man, these guys are taradactals back there. Yeah, but go back further and you're looking at, well, Jesse Bates, for one, we mentioned him, but Eric Barry, Earl Thomas, all these guys are like six foot and under. So I don't think it actually matters all that much for him to not be like six foot four, especially because I do think the way he plays probably isn't going to be the exact same way Kyle Hamilton and Nickyman Worry play.

And even for that style of position, Brian Branch is probably about the same size as him. So I see a guy that's really smart. I see a guy that's really technically sound. I see a guy that doesn't really make mistakes on top of, to me, being a very good mover, I think he does move very well. I kind of gave that pream about I'm not sure how much FLS has matters. I do think he's athletic, though. Like, I think he's a very good athlete.

So on top of being a very good athlete, I think this guy, he's shown leadership. He shows communication. Now, we don't know exactly what he's communicating sometimes. So maybe sometimes you see him picking the banjo, and I can guess what he's telling his teammate to do. But sometimes you see some stuff like, yeah, he's communicating back there.

And it looks like everything got covered up pretty well. Everybody was on the same page. So I'll chart that as good communication in my mind. But, again, you obviously don't know unless you're in the room with him or something to know what the call was. But yeah, I see you guys really smart. I see you guys really technically sound. I see you never want to say can't fail prospect.

You think there's a lot of guys that have failed with that label. But to me, a safe prospect. I think he's a guy that I feel pretty good about this guy being a plus starter. Okay, let's talk about that word safe another time. Eric Berry, a common comparison for Caleb Downs, I think, was 211 at the combine, jumped out of the building, had insane vertical and broad jump. ran a pretty good 44-47, which at the time was a 9.3 on the RAS scale. Also had a really good three cone.

Guys don't really do the agility drills anymore, but going to be interested to see how Caleb Downs test, even though, like you said, it's not necessarily the most important thing for safeties. If you're going to pick a safety at 10, even if he is really smart and really technically sound, I'd like to see him also be an elite athlete. You're talking about the 10th pick, right? And so that's the conversation that we'll get to in our third segment, but I wanted to ask, based on everything that you've seen,

which kind of two corollary follow-up questions that come up to me. One is one of the things that I think makes Caleb Downs very valuable to NFL teams is versatility and the ability to put him in a bunch of different spots and for him to do those things well. So first question is, is that something you agree with? And is that something that Bengals can actually maximize? Do you think that Al Golden and the scheme that they want to execute in Cincinnati would get the most out of a versatile piece like that,

given the history that we've seen with this team, and I know it was a different DC with Dax Hill. And two, what kind of impact do you think a guy like Caleb Downs could make on the Bengals defense and the way that Al Golden wants to do things specifically? Yeah, I think the first part, I do agree he's versatile. I actually get a little bit weirded out because when you think versatile, a lot of times you think this safety, He covers deep a lot and he also could play the nickel sometimes.

And the way Caleb Downs was used at Ohio State, played a nickel a lot. He played in the box a lot. He actually didn't really play deep all that often, but there's nothing that indicated to me like, oh, they're doing this to hide him. So he doesn't have to be back there. Did you watch any of his Alabama stuff?

Was it any different in Alabama? I did not watch the Alabama tape because only so much time and I'm not going to watch the 18-year-old Caleb Downs. I guess I could if the Bengals take him, I might. The only reason I ask is because there's one clip of been a couple clips I've seen have been playing from deep. I also haven't watched him at Alabama, but it looked like he might have been playing more deep there. Now I'm going to check as you continue to talk about his versatility. Yeah. So I see him as a very versatile player. I think

he can play man coverage on tight ends and even slot receivers at times. He played a lot of zone coverage around the middle of the field, middle hook in Tampa 2, where he's taking, he's kind of the most important player. You're going to take away what the offense is going to try to do over the middle of the field. He's not getting put in these isolation situations so much, but I did see him win a lot as a man-coverage player against tight ends. So I do think he's a very versatile piece. And I think he would be better suited, honestly, in the NFL, to not just be in the box and in the slot,

where I think him as a deep safety is a very, would be a very good usage of his movement abilities and his processing, where I don't see a reason he can't do it. And I do think it makes it more important that you're going to take away explosive plays in the NFL than it probably was in college because you just don't see as many quarterbacks able to hit those type of windows. So, yeah, I think he's versatile.

I think that's no issue. I do wonder a little bit about the Al Golden part of this. Will he utilize him? I don't think he really showed much this season that made me think like, oh, he's going to take a safety with an interesting skill set. He's going to put him in the best position to succeed. It felt like with the safeties for Golden, he just kind of set it and forget it and had them just do their jobs based off the play call.

Gino Stone was struggling, and it never seemed like he had some interesting idea to change things up and put him in a better position. to utilize the athleticism of a Tyson Anderson, and maybe there's just stuff we don't see in practice and whatnot. And I don't think he's ever had this caliber, well, ever. But last year, I don't think he had this caliber of player anywhere on the secondary, to be honest, maybe DJ Turner, maybe Dax Hill.

But to me, Caleb Downs, at least as a prospect, is above that. So he doesn't have this caliber of player to play with, but I didn't really see a lot of a lot that showed me. Al Gorene is definitely going to use Caleb Downs to the best of his. his ability. I think he'll be good for Golden, no matter what, because I just think he's, like, we're going to talk about, I guess, in a future episode safe. I think he's, he comes in with a high technical floor, but I don't know if Algon is going to maximize the ceiling of him and fully unleash him like Kyle Hamill's or Nickyman Worry have been. Yeah, I think it's

all good points and it's going to come down to positional value and if the Bengals overthink that and in who else is there. I think based on this, if he's there at 10, he's certainly going to be like like we were yesterday in the mock draft Jake, is it Downs or whatever guy? There aren't going to be many prospects if Downs makes it to 10 that are ahead of him on the Bengals board.

So what would Mike Santagida do? It's David Bailey and Caleb Downs. We ended up going with Bailey. I think a lot of you wanted Downs. What does Mike want? We'll get to that coming up next. We're brought to you today by Indeed. Workplace, Chaos, Deadlines stacking up.

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and get entered for your chance to win a trip to the NBA finals. Play your game with Fandle, the official sports betting partner of the NBA. Mike, if you were sitting there, you're Duke Tobin all of a sudden. First, you're checking where your hair's gone, I'm sure. But second, you're like, oh, no, I got a pick between David Bailey and Caleb Downs. But a terrible problem. Would you pick, I think the highest graded safety you've ever had?

Or does positional value start to talk to you and say, ah, you know, I like the safety. We signed in free agency. I like the safety depth here. And I know you're not that deep on the safety class yet. But let's pretend that, you know, Emmanuel McNeil Warren and Dylan Thieneman are solid second round grades. Does that start?

And they were there. And they were there, by the way. just to throw it out in the mock. So, all right, go ahead. What are you doing? What's your process here? For me, I think there is enough difference that I would go Caleb Downs, where I have worry. I have more worry about David Bailey and the Bengals defensive scheme than I do, Caleb Downs.

And I mentioned when you brought the Al-Golng thing, people might be thinking like, oh, man, he's a little bit worried about that. I still think Downs will be a good player, no matter what. I'm worried that in an Al-Golden scheme, year one, David Bailey might be like kind of put onto the back burner and they're just putting the big guys out there and everybody's well where's David Bailey we used the 10th round pick we used the 10th overall pick on this guy I worry it just the bengal scheme always being these four down big heavy ends that to me speaks of quite a bit into this I think also just in a vacuum Caleb down so far my highest grade player and David Bailey is

not my highest grade edge player I mean number two after Ruben bain but still I I think when I'm looking at David Bailey, I think like, yeah, mid, late first round is where I really would feel comfortable in a vacuum, but he's in a very valuable position as a pass rusher. And he could become more valuable than, you know, a good safety could be. So maybe you boost that up to like a mid first round type of grade. But for me, I just, I see Caleb Downs is not, not to the level of Peney Sewell Jamar Chase. I think that's where I kind of cut it off where I thought those guys were insane, but just below that, and to me, that is more valuable than an edge rush of that. I feel, I feel pretty good.

I feel pretty good about this guy. But I see more ways that David Bailey fails than I do Caleb Downs. It is. No, by the way, if the Bengals feel that way, it shouldn't even be a debate. I don't care what position. This is the perfect time to hammer this home. I don't give a damn if it's corner, safety, whatever. If you think you have this premium player at whatever position versus, oh, pretty good

player, please, for the love of everything, take the premium player. Because the premium player in two years, if he ends up being the premium player that you think he is, it's going to be well worth a 10th pick regardless of position. Because there's going to be a lot of positional value stuff with Caleb Downs. And the bottom line is, regardless of what you're spending on him, if he's in that tier of player, Jamar, Pennet, and just slightly below that, okay, it's going to be better than even if David Bailey is a rotational edge. edge as a rookie. And so if they feel that way, if there is that much of a gap, it shouldn't be that much of a debate. Again, if they feel the same way that Mike Santagena does here on February

16th. I went back and looked, Mike, at the last couple of years. So players you've had graded higher, higher film grades than Caleb Downs in the last years, Ashton Gentie, not Ashton Gentie. Yep. Ashton Gentie? Yeah, that's his name. This is man. Genties. Because there's the Bengals linebacker. Rashad Jenti? Shout out to Rashad Jenty. I met him last year before the season. And there's a shout out to Rashad.

A-S-H in both of those names, man. So you had Jentany last year. You had Jalen Carter in 2023 and Brock Bowers in 2024 with higher tape grades than Caleb does. So that just to give you an idea of the guys that are like kind of any mention Pentezool, just to give you the idea of the kind of guys that Mike is giving out these kinds of film grades too. The other point here that I wanted to get to,

the last point for this episode is, should the Bengals be considering players that are in the 250 to 255 pound range more than they are? Should they be thinking, you know, maybe we can't turn these 275 pounds, 6 foot six guys into good pass rushers? Because we've been trying to do it since Carlos Dunlap. you haven't been able to do it again.

Obviously, that's giving you an indication as to where I think they should be going. I think they should be considering it. They should be considering guys like Nick Benito. What are your thoughts around this smaller type of ed rusher? I think you need to consider it. I think the reason they don't consider it is fear. It's just what happens when the run, when, you know, teams are able to run the ball. And can you stop that?

I think there are 250 pound eddressers that play the run as well as Trey Hendrickson. And they've made it work with Trey Hendrickson, right? So if the tradeoff is worth it, they should be looking into it. I think, like, last year, I thought Josiah Stewart kind of played the run like a maniac. And that's a guy where he's punching above his weight class. I think that's where you would need to start. Now, I don't know if David Bailey really punches above his weight class as a run defender, but you look at some of these guys, like the player for the Eagles that went to Georgia,

Nolan Smith. Nolan Smith was a guy that just the way he played the run. It was like he was 280 pounds. You just ran through somebody's face. I think that's where you would start. Find these run defenders who are just a different breed in their, you know, mentally. And they don't care that they're 250 pounds. They are going to use their body as a weapon in the run game.

And honestly, don't seem to care too much about the safety of themselves. That's where I think you start. You find these guys that are really good run defenders for their size. And then maybe that leads you into like, oh, maybe we can make this work with a 250-pound guy that's, he's fine against the run. And we're not sure how much better it's going to. to get compared to these 270-pound guys who just naturally it's harder to move them they have 20 extra pounds on them and usually they have longer arms they're bigger et cetera so i'm on your side i think

they should look at these 250-pound guys but i also also think i'll believe it when i see it too i'll believe the bagels are interested in that when i see them draft one yeah there's a lot of guys like that in this class we could see that get tested at some point this year a lot of those designated past rusher style bodies in this draft class. And so that will be something for us to discuss another day when we dive into the depth of this draft class a little bit more. But something we'll talk about in the near future are a couple of other options at pick number 10 with Mike.

Mike has watched Ruben Bain, of course, and a couple of other Ohio State players that we will get to here on lockdown Bengals. So that's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Until next time, thanks for listening. Today and have a good one.