Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - HENDRICKSON PROGRESS? | It's only getting more important for the Cincinnati Bengals to get a deal done with Trey Hendrickson

Episode Date: March 25, 2025

Have contract talks stalled, or are the Cincinnati Bengals actively working on an extension for Trey Hendrickson? Jake Liscow and James Rapien parse the latest reports for insight into what's going on with a potential Hendrickson extension as the Bengals continue in their pursuit of paying their stars before 2025. Plus, why winning will cure the team's narrative complaints, and the still available free agents who could help the Bengals next year.Join the Locked On Bengals Insider Community! https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbengalsFind and follow Locked On Bengals on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bengals-daily-podcast-on-the-cincinnati-bengals/id1159723162Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7AObc0lh0WmQl5fJVgtajsGoogle Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb25iZW5nYWxz?sa=X&ved=0CAYQrrcFahcKEwio_sXtj8nuAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAgStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-bengalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNBA for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNFL at monarchmoney.com for 50% off your first year.FanDuelRight now, new customers can get TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS in BONUS BETS when your first FIVE DOLLAR BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started. Bet with FanDuel—Official Partner of the NBA. FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

There's some optimism out there that the Bengals are working on things with Trey Hendrickson, and there's still some moves the Bengals could make that can make them better for 2025. Let's break it down. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm your host, Jake Liscoe. He's your host, James Rapine, and we are Locked on the Lockdown Podcast Network.

your team every day on YouTube and everywhere you get your podcast if you're not already subscribed. Well, you can hit that subscribe button and join the many every day are Bengals fans out there who don't miss an episode of a lockdown Bengals as we have you covered all offseason long. Today, James, we're going to get started with some rumblings on Trey Hendrickson that people may have heard from national level reporters in the last couple of days as we're still waiting to see what happens with that situation. We'll also get to some moves that could help the Bengals, potentially, in 2025.

But let's start with Trey Hendrickson in this episode brought to you by GameTime where you can create an account in the app, use code locked on NFL to get $20 off your first purchase of tickets. And James, there's some optimism from some national level reporters, at least, when it comes to Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals continuing to work on a deal. Yeah, for sure, Ian Rappaport, the latest to share that. optimism and saying he deserves a lot of money. I think his next contract is going to be above $30 million per year.

He was talking on the Pat McAfee show. Apparently it was the Ian Rappaport show on Monday. But he said, I know the Bengals are working on. And let's just start there before we get to the other part of the comment, because I do think that there are parts to this. I would expect that to be there almost so focused right now because it doesn't feel like, Like we haven't gotten the Jeff Ruby visit experience when it comes to free agency, and we'll get into the veterans coming up that they could still possibly add this offseason.

But we haven't got that. And I think a lot of that probably has to do with Trey and the focus on Trey and trying to figure out what Trey needs. Now, I don't think anything is imminent based on what I've heard. That doesn't mean that that's the case. These things can come together so quickly. and there's enough national smoke now that it just, it feels like that this could be the next domino to drop. I'm not sure that it needs to be. If you're the Bengals, you probably have a really good idea of what Trey wants.

You have an idea of how you need to make the contract work for 2025 and possibly beyond. But it does feel like this could be the next domino to fall. And by the way, if they did get Trey done, that would be huge. they sign them to a two-year extension or a three-year extension. That hasn't changed. Nothing that we've said over the past month or two months, nothing's changed. If you can keep Trey Hendrickson, especially now that the high-end pass rushers and edge rushers are off the market that were potentially or were available in free agency, keeping

tray is a must, I would say, if you want to be a championship level defense. And so hopefully they are working on it. Hopefully they are getting engaging. Tray's camp and finding common ground for an agreement because that would be, I think, an ideal scenario for both sides. At this point, it's just so hard to see how they could use the assets they would get in a potential Trey Hendrickson trade to get better. And maybe you could have made that case three weeks ago.

And even then, I think it was hard. We talked about it three weeks ago. And the idea of trading Trey Hendrickson before free agency started and having an additional, what, $15, $16 million in cap space that they could have had if they had traded Trey plus whatever pick they would have gotten back. Even then, it was hard. It was hard to find the path. And it involved spending on a top tier free agent that's probably playing in guaranteed

money waters that the Bengals don't want to play in for external free agents until we see them do that, of course. Orlando Brown, big exception there. And then hitting on a draft pick. And that's what that looked like. Now, there are still moves, and we're going to get to this, that could help the Bengals in 2025, and there is a bit of a cap bind that is self-imposed that we talked about a couple of days ago here on lockdown Bengals, but it's hard to see how they could use those financial assets

to improve the team if they were to trade Tray Hendrickson and get that money off the books. And so at this point, given what has happened in free agency, given the moves they have and haven't made, I think it's pretty hard to make a compelling argument that trading Tray Hendrickson makes you better. The one argument you could make is if you buy the reporting from Jeremy Fowler that indicates that Trey Hendrickson has no intention of playing out his current contract and is willing to sit out. And if you think that that's not going to get done and you think that you're picking between Trey sitting out or trading Trey, well, then you pick the trade trade option because there's literally anything there versus literally nothing. If he sits out,

What did you make of the Fowler report as far as Trey's willingness to sit out the year if they don't get a deal with that? This has nothing to do with Jeremy, and I'm saying that because I don't want people to take it, like, clip it and then be like, oh, well, you think this about Jeremy? It's not, it might be true. I don't know. I don't know if Trey's willing to sit out. I just don't care because it's not going to happen. Like, it's not going to happen. Either he's going to get paid here.

He's going to get paid somewhere. Like, all the posture. Like, there's just no, I don't really think there's a scenario. where he plays on his current deal. And it has nothing to do with sitting out. It's just, so I saw that and I was like, okay, nothing to do with the report. It could be accurate.

Trey may be prepared to do that, by the way. I have no idea. But I just think he's going to get paid either here or somewhere. And so, I mean, it's March 25th. It's not, it's not September 25th. Like the sitting out part, well, it's just so early. to go to that realm. Like they may get something done with him in June or they may get something done with him

tonight. But it's highly unlikely to me. Now, as far as deadlines go, I think if you're trading tray, it's the draft, right? You want it done before the draft so you can use that asset or assets to get better. But I don't really, I'm not even concerned about that Fowler report. What about you? What do you think? I have a hard time putting a ton of stock in it now because of, like you said, the timing that it's early, but it's out there for a reason.

It's out there because somebody wants it to be out there. Now, whether it's an empty threat and posturing and negotiating versus a real, this is what I will do, I think a little bit early there. Fowler's report did continue, and I found it interesting because of what Fowler said versus what Ian Rappaport said. It's been stagnant of late. It's sort of stalled, but they have a couple of months to try to shake this out and get a new deal done. And I think that that is certainly a key component here. The Bengals typically, this would get done in July, right? That's where you would usually see this level of contract happen.

We got the T and Jammar contracts done in March. That's great. And they have this cap restraint. But Trey's cap hit probably goes up with an extension. this isn't one of those extensions that usually sees a cap number go down. And so there's a cap relief that we could even speculate would come with this extension. I just find it interesting that you get this report that is sort of stalled on one day from Fowler. And then I think the very next day from Rappapur, I know the Bengals are working on it line.

Yeah, and they may be working on it internally. That's what in our insiders, if you want to join the lockdown Bengals Insiders, join subtext. dot com slash lockdown Bengals. They know this. I sent him a message last week and this week. I don't think that things have heated up. I don't think that things are getting really close where you're going to have the private jet and the picture. Now, maybe that changes. Maybe this happens. Maybe I'm sitting in a Trey Hendrickson news conference on Thursday or Friday. Like it can, but it doesn't feel like from my point of view, it feels much more like Fowler's describing versus Rapaport.

That being said, the other half of that Rappaport kind of discussion on the McAfee show, he said, I know the Bengals are working on it. And then he said, and I know they would like to keep him in the building. They would like to pay him. And I think they would like people to stop saying, why don't the Bengals pay their guys? Because they do. And I think getting Hendrickson done out of money and a value that makes sense for both sides would be a great way for the Bengals to be like, see, the Bengals planned on paying all three.

I do think that that if that is a motivation to say C, I don't love that. I think you should want to pay Trey Hendrickson because he led the NFL in Saxe. You're trying to win a ring. That's how you say C. Hey, see, look at that Lombardee. That's how I would be viewing it if I was at one pay court stadium in downtown. And that is the address for those wondering. I would not be like, oh, see, we paid Trey.

I'd be like, see, we paid Trey. and look at our Lombardi in February. Yeah. Well, let's dig into that a little bit more, this potential frustration from the Bengals front office that they're airing via Ian Rapopor, hosting the Pat McAfee show of all places. And then we'll get to some of those moves

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why don't the bengals pay their guys because they do they did pay jama chas and t higgins they deserve credit for that. When we started that show a couple of days ago when we were critical of the structure of how they prorated certain monies in those deals to inflate their cap hits, we started that show deliberately by saying it is worth celebrating that the Bengals got these contracts done, that they broke their structure in ways on both of those contracts to get those deals done by guaranteeing money outside of year one to non-quarterbacks. Those are main things that are worth celebrating. They get Trade Hendrickson done, even if it takes another month or two. I still think that will be worth celebrating. These would be objectively good moves for the Bengals

to have made. Huge moves. I mean, let's be honest, the biggest moves on the priority list coming into the offseason were those. Yep. Now, we weren't done. That's why we're going to talk about these veterans coming up. It didn't end there, but it started with those guys. And there's a but here. I would like, they would like people to stop saying, why don't the Bengals pay their guys? That's great that they're doing it this year. There are examples of them not doing it in the past.

And I think the Bengals always bristle when they hear cheap thrown around in reference to their front office. Sure. And paying those three guys does not absolve them of those accusations this year to me. Not entirely. There may be our steps in the right direction here. here with Jammar and T. They got a great deal done with T. Good for them. Good for T getting what he wanted as well. I'm not being critical when I say that. But this Trey

Hendrickson negotiation is stalled or whatever we want to say about it because the Bengals are doing their normal Bengals thing in negotiations, which could work out for them. That would be awesome. That's great. Everybody could get what they want there. But they certainly aren't taking, and I know people are sick of this, the Eagles approach of aggressively topping up contracts for players that need a pay raise that we've seen them do time and time again. They have not taken that approach with Trey Hendrickson, which is why we're in this spot with the Trey Hendrickson conversation right now. And as far as the moves that we're about to talk about, that could still help for 2025. The reason that some of them might be harder to make

than they have to be is because of the way they've structured some of these deals. and because of their salary cap situation, that doesn't need to be as tight as it is currently in 2025. And maybe that's because the Bengals are one of the bottom revenue teams in the NFL. I don't think that's an excuse. I still don't think that's an excuse. There's still indications that the Bengals are plenty profitable. And so I think that the Bengals could help themselves with these narratives

by getting Trey Hendrickson done. Certainly. But they're still going to be. these ideas at the fringe or even mainstream until they take a more full approach to an offseason. You know how it changes? You know how it changes. Winning.

That's always how it changes. By winning. That's the only way. It doesn't matter. If you lose, everyone's going to find every flaw. Winning is the ultimate. Oh, my goodness, the Eagles are the best well-run. And they have their flaws, too.

It doesn't feel like it today. doesn't feel like it today but they do and that's it by the way if an Eagles fan clips this kick rocks all right you guys are the champs like great

congrats they will have to pay the Piper at some point when you win it doesn't matter and when you haven't won and then there's these obvious narratives and some are fair some aren't

then those are going to get louder when you go to two back-to-back a-to-back a-fc championship games are a player two away from winning the Super Bowl

and then you miss back-to-back playoffs. You don't even get to the playoffs. You have a healthy Joe Burrow who very much played

like the MVP and asked Nick Bonito and doesn't have that the show for it. It wasn't even a top vote-getter an offensive player of the year.

Same thing with Mara Chase didn't get a first-place vote. These are the best receiver and best quarterback in the league this past year.

You could argue. I could argue it. Now I get it. Josh, I won MVP. you could say Lamar, but winning cures all of it. And so that's why like the wait and see, I'm not sure anyone from the Bengals front office,

I have no idea, is talking to Ian Rappaport. I have no idea. But if that is the mindset, shift it to the Lombardy. That's when you go and you say C. Say C at the parade. That's what you do when there's a sea of fans. Like that has to be the mindset.

and the thirst. It can't be, oh, well, we're going to pay Trey and show everybody. And I don't think it is. Like,

I don't, that just, I don't think it is either. I think that that's, I think that's editorialization from Rappaporty in there. And by the way, I do think that Duke,

Tobin was very aware of the national narratives going into the combine. Like, so I get it. I understand. Mm-hmm. But that paying Trey,

which they should do, does not solve everything else. And that's why, if we're critical, like we were the other, day. And there are a lot of people that are like, stop being like that. It's because the only way you say see is by getting to the finish line with our trophy. That's it. You have Joe pointing to his finger because he's talking about rings. All this other stuff is finding a way to get there.

That's all it is. Free agency, the draft, training camp, OTAs. Oh, my goodness, Androosso, and Chase Brown are working out together, which is awesome, by the way. I also think, think that Charlie Jones is working out with Andreosovash this offseason. Like, it's great to see guys working out in the offseason and putting a work. I know T. Higgins is down in Miami right now, working with David Alexander. That stuff's fun. It's all for one reason. And it's to get a trophy. And so all this stuff, it's like, all right, well, that's how you say C. And so the narratives end when you have a trophy, when you hang that banner. And that's just the life in professional sports and certainly in the NFL in 2025.

Yeah, I mean, think about the Bengals over the last 20 years. Since they hire Marvin Lewis, really, they have bounced in and out of model NFL franchise in that time, numerous times in mostly first quarterback, like rookie quarterback contracts. Every time the Bengals have had a quarterback on the rookie contract in the last 20 years, they've essentially been, look at the Bengals, knowing how to build a team because that's when they've been the most competitive. To get back there, now you've got to win again, arguably, not arguably, with the best

quarterback you've had in the last 20 years. And it's probably the best pair of top-end talents to go with him on that offense. You just win now on the second contract and show you know how to build a team with the second quarterback contract. And then you'll be talked about again as a model NFL team. If they hit on all those defensive draft picks or develop them, right, whoever you want to blame there between the front office and the coaching staff, they're currently discussed as a model NFL team because they anticipated needs.

They got expensive on offense. They went cheap on defense. They hit draft picks because that's what the chiefs did, right? The chiefs hit on their defensive draft picks. That's what kept them going in the last couple of years. And that's a big part of the Eagles success too. Not only do they pay guys, but they're hitting on defensive draft picks at high value spots. It's hard, but when you do it, you're the model NFL team.

And when you don't do it, you're talked about the way the Bengals are talked about this year is disappointing for a couple of years and needing to get back into contention. Speaking of getting back into contention, James, there are still moves out there. The Bengals could make if they choose to operate that way that could help the team in 2025. Let's discuss those moves coming up next. When you talk about moves to make, Jake, obviously starting. guard is the move. Like if there's one move, like we're going to spend a lot of time on the draft and guard is going to come up so often if they don't add a starting guard. And yet, I look at this draft class and defensive line, you'd love to attack defensive line,

interior and on the edge over the first two days at least of the draft. And so when I look at free agency, I think it starts an end. Like, if you could get Brandon Shurf. And who knows, is he contemplating retirement? Is he not? Is that just social media buzz? I'm not sure. I really am not.

But I think that's where my list really starts. And it can be one of these other guys, but he's the best past protector available, makes sense to grab him. He's played in every regular season game in each of the past three years after having some injury issues early in his career. Makes a ton of sense. And I'd be willing to do, like, let's say he's like, I'm going to wait it out. and try to sign with one of these other contenders

or other teams if there's an injury or just down the line. Off for him two years. Don't go one. Offer him two years. Make that cap it much easier to massage out and go that route. That's what I would do.

I would offer brain and turf a two-year deal. I know you keep saying that. I've resisted this urge until now, James. I think that two years for these guys that are 33-plus are just so uncommon. I don't even know if the player would want it. I'm not quite calling it a pipe dream, but I do think it's approaching that area

where, yeah, maybe that would be a deal sweetener to get the deal done, but in the realm of reality, that would be pretty uncommon to see for a guy like Sheriff at this stage in his career. But I'd be happy to be proved wrong on that. You think, because he wouldn't want it? I think it's possible, yeah.

Interesting. Yeah, I mean, I don't know why he wouldn't. You just often see players at that stage in their careers, one-year mercenaries. And maybe it's like, I don't want to hitch my wagon to this team for two years because maybe I'm trying to win.

And if it doesn't go well in that first year, I'm going to try to get to a different situation next year to try to win. Sure, I guess. I mean, I would have been willing to do that for Zaitler too, and he ended up in Tennessee. You know, I mean, it's just these guys that are clearly the best options, clearly playing at a high level still and can help you.

Like, no brainers to me, but they may want to wait instead of doing that. And at the same time, Shurf may want one year, nine million. I don't think the Bengals are offering him that. Like, if I'm him, I want what Kevin Zitler got.

He's better than Kevin Ziller. In his head, he wasn't playing alongside that defensive line, or that offensive line for the line, put up the huge numbers. People are going to look up PFF and say, oh, well, Zitler's better. It's like, eh.

You know, Zaitler's really good, and he was awesome last year. It was a great landing spot for him as well. I think it's not just Shurf. Get a starting level offensive guard, if you can. Dalton Reisner, Will Hernandez. Names haven't changed. And I know you've talked about Jack Mason. I know there are people that like Matt Pryor from Chicago.

Justin Colon, another. Jack Mason for sure. Another interior lineman that's a free agent. And those are the guys. Shaq is like a one year, three million dollar deal. Sorry to catch you off. Like he's in a different level, different tier than turf, no doubt.

And that might be the kind of thing the Bengals can do from a sandbox perspective. What sandbox are they playing in is what I mean there, right? Like they've got about $11 million when you account for all of the expenses that are coming to play within the salary cap. This is why we're critical of the way they manage the cap now. Because if they wanted to do a one year, $9 million deal for, Brandon Shurf, they might be in a situation where they had to do the Riley Reef void year to push some of that in the next year. Now, they still could, and they've done it before. So they

clearly know how to do it. They also have some cuts they can make if they needed a free up space. But if you wanted to sign Shurf Campbell and Zedaria Smith, who was the trio of names you've heard us talk about, those guys probably all are one-year deals. And the Bengals probably would have a hard time getting those one-year deals into the cap. because of what they've done so far as far as cap hits now that doesn't mean these moves can't happen like i just said the bengals can create some caps race with cuts they can do void years they've done the one void year on a one year deal before we've seen it with riley reef it's not unprecedented but the names at the top of this list james that can make the bengals better are the same

names they've been for a week and so maybe they remain the same names for for another week or two maybe we start to see some of these guys sign but the calaisus campbells the guards we just mentioned the julian blackman resuel douglas mike hilton's still out there i know a lot of fans have asked about him c j mosley justin simmons marcus samuel junior that that's one there's got to be some like serious stuff with that shoulder for him it was called degenerative in one report or like chronic in one report there's got to be something really scary there for him to still be out there Yeah, fine, bring him in for a visit and look at him. Make sure, make sure that's the issue.

Like, he, he might be your best corner. I mean, Dax is coming off of an ACL. Cam was up and down. Like, I think that that's, that's another name. You want to talk about a multi-year deal. That would be a fun. I doubt he would, now, that's a guy that would not want. He wants to prove it and get the hell back to free agency

because he's 25 years old. Probably. But yeah, the point of this, they can still get better. Trey would be a great move. But adding at least a guard would do wonders. And I do get at this stage, you brought back B.J. Hill, you got your nose tackle. Like, if you want to go into the draft and see how it shakes out, fine. What I've approached it differently?

Sure. But it feels like that that's their mindset is, hey, we can add true game changers on the defensive front in this draft, fine. But if you're looking for a plug-in-play starting guards and that, that's tough. So at least get one of these veterans. You know who else is still out there, James, who we haven't talked about, that I can't quit as a player is Mo Ali Cox, tight end from Newing, tight end from Indianapolis.

I'd be shocked. I would too. He's 302 in September. Big guy. He's a bigger frame tight end, blocking kind of tight end, but he's a little bit better as a receiver, in my opinion, than Drew Sample. He's like a bit of a souped up version of Drew Sample. He's not giving you a ton of the receiving game.

He's not. But as far as that Eric Allroll that we've talked about, he could do some of that at a less dynamic level as a receiver, but probably at a higher level than you would get from Drew Sample if you wanted another player like that. And I know they have Camp Grandi on the roster too. I wonder. I can't quit.

If I'm low alley Cox, see and this is the other element here it's good that you brought it up some of these veterans may wait until after the draft and if you're Mo Ali Cox I think signing with the Bengals makes a ton of sense but if they also draft a tight end

then it probably doesn't and they could draft a tight end and I'm sure they're not going to say hey we'll sign you Mo but we're not taking the tight end now like I don't think that they would approach it that way so but no it's a good name and he would be someone may one if he

still there? Like, I'd be open to it now, of course, but I may one if he's still there. I think that's when he could potentially sign, unless he just goes back to Indianapolis or something, but they may be in on Tyler Warren. That's a very real thing. Colston Loveland as well. They could be in on those two. At least I didn't mention Mercedes-Lewis again. Oh, man. He's older than Clay's Campbell. 42. 41. Yeah. I would. I would. I would. Would. Would. Would. Would. Would. Still do it. Would. We'll do it.

Anyway, we'd love to see the Bengals make one of these. My thought for the last week or so, James has been, get a guard and upgrade literally any spot on the defense. Like, pick a spot. I don't care which one. Well, that's why I mentioned I saw it, they Samuel Jr. too, just, like, if they're worried about age for some of these guys, you know, like Stefan Gilmore is just hanging out there.

Resultzegel's the other corner name. Yeah. Just pick a spot. Pick a spot. Justin Simmons. Guess who his agent is? David Mulligetta. Get another one year done with David Mulligeta, baby.

Yeah, sure. Put that bridge together. Boom. Let us know which move you would like to see the Bengals make besides a guard. Because I think everybody's in agreement there. What's the next move you would like to see the Bengals make? Is it Maurice Hurst on a training camp kind of deal? 164 snaps last year?

I can't quit him either. I can't quit that man. at all. Am I seeing right that Tyler Boyd is still out there? Yeah. Oh, you are. Yes. Is Tyler Boyd coming back for slot receiver too? Look at you. Just giving the people ideas for the comments. Let us know with the comments. Until next time, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast, Hoodey. And have a good one.