Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Injured Cincinnati Bengals veteran shutting it down, but Joe Burrow emphasized the importance of the home stretch

Starting point is 00:00:00 Veterans dealing with injuries for the Cincinnati Bengals are starting to shut it down for this season. Let's get into that. Plus, what the Bengals and Joe Burrow are still playing for this season. You are Locked-on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Well, on Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Locked-on Bengals podcast. I'm your host, Jake Liskow. He's your host, James Rapine.

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Starting point is 00:01:03 We're brought to you by Fandul today, and when you win your first $5 bet with Fandall, you'll get $150 in bonus bets. Again, if you win that first $5 bet, visit Fandul.com to get started. And James, as the Bengals are seeing their playoff hopes dwindled to essentially non-existent, not really thinking about the playoffs at this point, Joe Burrow talked about that on Wednesday as well, Thursday, sorry, as well. the veterans of this team are starting to take care of their injuries. And we have seen a couple of guys heading to the IR in Evan McPherson and Logan Wilson.

Starting point is 00:01:42 Meanwhile, Orlando Brown was described as doubtful as he tried to play through that injury last week and obviously wasn't moving at his best, especially by the end of the game. Yeah, a couple of things. One, Logan Wilson had to have a cleanup surgery on his knee. and it's something I think you probably look at and you're like, oh, well, yeah, he might be able to play through it if you're in the mix. But if it's borderline or if it's really uncomfortable and you know you're going to have to have the surgery anyway, you might as well get a five-week jump on it, right?

Starting point is 00:02:17 With Evan, it was some tightness, some soreness on game day. and I think at some point it might have happened that day, so it's not like he's been playing with it for weeks from the sound of it, but then you bounce back from that game, and on that Monday you come in and you notice it. So they go out and they sign Cade York, who we heard from today. He's from Dallas,

Starting point is 00:02:42 reunites with Joe Bro and Jamar Chase was on that LSU National Championship team. So there's Cade. We can talk more about him if you want. But the one that I think is interesting is Orlando Brown Jr. For a few reasons. One, he's not on IR. Logan Wilson's going to go on IR. Evan McPherson's already on IR. So they're going to miss at least four games.

Starting point is 00:03:02 You probably just shelf both for the season, barring something really unforeseen happening. And Orlando, well, I don't necessarily think he's going to go on IR today or tomorrow. It doesn't feel that way, at least. He could. I believe his injury is pretty significant. And I've talked around that. every-dayers know that. I've tried to drop hints without being too direct, but he's been really

Starting point is 00:03:29 battling to try to get on the field. And then you saw when he got on the field, clearly not moving like he normally would. And so now that you're four and eight, it's like, okay, well, shut it down, big man. And I hope he does. Now, that doesn't mean they'll necessarily put him on IR because there's still a chance. It's a very small chance. It's not something we're even entertaining here on Locked on Bengals. But as an organization, it would be, malpractice not to entertain the idea that, oh, well, maybe they do win a couple in a row. And Orlando Brown might be feeling better. They win three in a row.

Starting point is 00:04:00 And Orlando Brown Jr's feeling better. And they have something to play for it. If that does happen, you don't want to completely shut them down if there is that chance. But if they lose on Monday, there won't be that chance. And so then there's no reason to play Orlando Brown Jr. What is it right now? About 3%. That's Kate York's new number for those wondering.

Starting point is 00:04:20 So, yeah, the Orlando Brown Jr. one is interesting to me. Jake, because of the butterfly effect that has on the offensive line, because now Cody Ford is no longer playing left guard. Yeah, the practice lineup was Cody Ford back to left tackle, Cordob Olson back to left guard. Amarious Mims was also limited, just injury report teaser there. We will talk about the injury report as well here as Bengals practice for the first time this week. We got the first injury report of the week. If you're at a point where you have Devin Cochran at one tackle, Cody Ford of the other tackle, and an interior offensive line, that hasn't held up, your best offensive line

Starting point is 00:04:55 and Ted Carris, it would be Ted Caris in that case. And the center is the least impactful to pass blocking on your entire offensive line, often helping one of the two guards very infrequently getting to those one-on-one situations. We would have to have a conversation, I think, about the merits of playing Joe Burrow behind that kind of line and risking him in that situation,

Starting point is 00:05:18 quite frankly. But the perhaps canary in the coal mine, on Orlando Brown is similar to the movie saw with Shaka Hayward, where Shaka Hayward joined the roster for the Bengals before Logan Wilson headed or is heading now to IR after that surgery. On what's today, the fifth, yesterday. On Wednesday, the Bengals signed Andrew Stuber back to the active roster. And probably tells you all you need to know about their confidence

Starting point is 00:05:48 that Orlando Brown is going to be ready to play anytime soon. Devin Cochran also on the active roster at this point, And so they've got these guys from the practice plot up or midseason acquisitions up under the active roster now, which probably tells you about the severity and end of likelihood that Orlando Brown is going to be back anytime soon. Yeah, it's severe. Orlando, and it's awful because way back in, when did I talk to Orlando the first time this offseason? March, it was before the draft. I remember talking draft with Orlando and just talking through some guys and stuff. Like he loves football.

Starting point is 00:06:22 He loves all of that stuff. and he's like, man, I'm going to have a big year. He was ready to go, comes in, and he was on his way to having a big year. And this injury, unfortunately, derailed it. And that's what sucks is it's like, man, not that the offense completely stopped without him, but it could have been that much better. And maybe that much better makes a little bit of a difference in some of these one-score games that they've had to play over the past month plus without him.

Starting point is 00:06:53 Yeah, I mean, if he can move, I don't think Nick, Nick Herbig, Nate Herbig, the Herbig that plays. A new chance. Like, he's not running around him like that. He might beat him in that game from time to time, but he's not running around him like that and hitting Joe Burrow and the throwing arm like on a three-step drop and a hitch. Like it's not that. The ball would be gone. Yep. The ball would be gone.

Starting point is 00:07:14 So, yeah, it's really unfortunate to see for Orlando. I would say the same thing for Logan Wilson, especially if he's been dealing with this and was trying to gut through it for a little bit. there he was one of the few pieces of this bengal's defense that was roughly playing up to expectations like it wasn't his best year necessarily but he was still playing well he was still better than what we saw without him and so for a defense it couldn't really afford any blows to be remotely watchable because at this point they're not they're not a watchable defense like it's not very pleasant to watch the bengals on on football days when they don't have the ball i was going to say Sunday, but they play on Monday this week.

Starting point is 00:07:55 Losing Logan is not going to help the situation, obviously, on the defensive side of the ball. That's a tough one. But on the bright side, like, hopefully the five-week head start eliminates any doubt that he's going to be totally fine heading in the next season, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that.

Starting point is 00:08:11 I think you're, and we're going to get into this, but you're trying to preserve the pieces that are going to matter next year that you know are going to. to matter. Logan matters, Orlando matters. Jamar certainly matters and Marius matters, but Marius needs reps, of course, Joe matters. And what I do wonder is how long this goes, because you are still evaluating all of these guys in this coaching staff. And so it's a delicate balance. It's a delicate balance. But with guys that you know about, that you have answers on, Orlando Logan, easy for me. It's easy money. You know it. Go take a seat guys and get healthy. And hopefully that's the case. You know, barring five straight wins in the most improbable thing ever that none of us expect, right?

Starting point is 00:09:04 That no one listening, viewing, neither of us expect it. So why? And honestly, I think the locker room understands that to a very large degree. No one is thinking, oh, well, if or what about, no, no, no, that those days are gone, I would say. Yeah, I mean, we're about to get to what the Bengals are playing for at this point, what Joe Burrow talked about on Thursday in terms of like what he's playing for, what the team has to play for. And his mindset, we've kind of had hints of this for a few weeks now, but I find it interesting that he continues to get into it a little bit more. and has been very realistic all year about where the team is, what his mindset is. And so we'll discuss that, shift gears, and get into what Joe Burrow is talking about and thinking about as the rest of this Bengal season has five games coming up next. Shift gears.

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Starting point is 00:12:26 and they'd be four and eight. I would have laughed at you. But here we are. I will say this, just getting to the vibe of the locker room a little bit. I think they're still motivated and competitive, right? I don't think they're not going to go out there and play hard. But I also understand, I think they understand like, all right, it's done. Like even Zach's tone this week isn't, well, we just got to get one and then we're going to hit our stride.

Starting point is 00:12:58 It's more like, hey, it's Monday night football, it's the Cowboys, it's a big game. Who wouldn't want to be excited for that? And that's just different than we've seen in the past. So I definitely have noticed that change. You're right. Joe has always been that way, but I think the rest of the locker room has kind of been like, all right, now let's accept what we are.

Starting point is 00:13:19 And there are a lot of guys playing for a lot, including veterans. Mike Hilton's playing for a lot. B.J. Hill's playing for a lot. There are guys that have a lot on the line, big monies, maybe a couple of zeros on the line. So I'm going to have to perform at a high level. And throw Mike Keseki into that mix, too,

Starting point is 00:13:35 a guy that Joe Burroughs said he would like to have back next season. How about him saying that? Five games to go and he's like, yeah, I would like to have him back. He's already thinking, you can tell. I bet he's, he's doing what we're doing. Like, what needs to change? Yeah, I think that's definitely part of his thought process.

Starting point is 00:13:53 And it's not like he's keeping it a secret. He's talking about, you know, his own personal motivations. He's going to continue to play football the way he wants to play for a number of reasons. We'll talk about those. One of them is talked about comeback player of the year. And that being a meaningful award for him to win. He said that nobody's won it twice, which is an interesting observation if he does win it this year. That would be a second time.

Starting point is 00:14:15 He said that would mean a lot to him. But beyond that, just in terms of the entire team and speaking to his mindset, outside of his personal motivations, talking about, yeah, the playoffs are probably out of reach. But these are very valuable reps to prove that you can be counted on going forward. And that is not subtle at all. There's no subliminal message there. That is, hey, you want to be part of this going forward? You want to be someone we can count on going forward that I can count on being Joe Burrow going forward. You better show up for these last five games and show that you can be part of this team.

Starting point is 00:14:54 Yeah, no doubt. I think there are, I mean, we could go through. I'm not going to go through the depth chart. But think about how many guys that went from free agent prizes, like Gino Stone, certainly, trying to show that he deserves to be there. And by the way, I would have already be, I'd be Tyson Anderson time. That's what I would do. But they're not doing that. They're sticking with Gino.

Starting point is 00:15:23 So at least for now. There are a lot of guys like that. Mike Gisicki, he can earn himself a lot of money. I think the Bengals will be in on him this offseason, but he can push it to where there's. a market elsewhere, you know, a significant market elsewhere if he plays well. I mentioned Mike Hilton. I think a guy like Von Bell, whatever snaps he does get, he needs to show everyone that he needs to be in the league next year and still be an NFL player. So there are guys like that. And then it's the other way where you have Amarius who's going to get tested every week.

Starting point is 00:15:59 There's great pass rushers every week, it seems like, that they have to deal with. And he can grow and it's like all right well how high can his ceiling get well these next five weeks are going to be huge for him in his development and growth so uh just out of the guys playing those are the sum of the ones where you're you're playing for something big and that doesn't include joe burrow saying hell yeah when asked about the triple crown yeah for jimar chase which i i love i love that that was his response and we'll see if they can get jama there i think it's going to be tough with the receptions too because he just commands so much attention But maybe.

Starting point is 00:16:36 Just start forcing him more of those screens everybody hates so much for a few yards. I don't want him to get hit like that. Yeah. I mean, he's pretty good at avoiding big hits to his defense. You better knock on wood, Jake. Let's go. I'm talking about something that he's good at, like a skill set. Anyway, a few other players that come to mind when Joe's talking about these reps are,

Starting point is 00:17:01 is that really what you're waiting for? These reps are very valuable to show that you can be counted on going forward. I mean, I think a guy's like Cordell-Bolson who got benched and now is back in the lineup, playing for an opportunity to be part of the conversation next year. Guys like that. Cody Ford, guys like that, guys like Jermaine Burton, guys like Cam Taylor Britt. Like that kind of- Charlie Jones, who was limited today.

Starting point is 00:17:24 Yeah. Yeah, we didn't circle back to the injury report so we can do that too. But like guys that have like kind of fallen off from where their expectations were, Miles Murphy taking that step. Joseph Osai playing for contract stakes, right? Like all of these guys in that same bucket that have a lot to play for in terms of sounds like proving to Joe that he can kind of remember the future. All the guys you just named, right?

Starting point is 00:17:50 So the cams, the germains, Cordels, who are you, Miles? Who are you most confident in that really excels over the final five weeks? No. Confident? No. That's it. That's it. And that's what's crazy about this is you're not banking on any of them. Like Cam played well last week, so probably him, but it's been so bad that can you say that? I think we know what Cordell is, but you're right. He could play his way into it. Cody Ford, he better be a backup next year, but you never know. I'm fine with him being on the roster. I think he's valuable with his position for Hlex as like a O L8.

Starting point is 00:18:32 Yeah. That's what we're talking about for some of these guys, for sure. Yeah. But I think that that's the Jermaine Burton one is so huge. Can you even get on the field? Yeah. Like can you get on the field? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:48 Can you earn the trust to get on the field and do the thing that you were supposed to be able to do so well and that this fan base spent half this season whining and bitching and moaning about because you weren't getting your opportunity. And then you get out there and you're not running hard. You're taking a long way, the long route on a go route where you're supposed to just run straight, basically. It's, there's a lot of things there. So hopefully he can because you see the talent. But man, it's December 5th, Jake. This isn't, it's not October 5th.

Starting point is 00:19:26 It's time to get going. The other big notes on the injury report, just to wrap that thought up before we move on and talk about hard knocks a little bit here. Jamar Chase was limited with an ankle, but there's no alarm bells going off around that one yet. We'll monitor it over the next couple of days. Charlie Jones, you mentioned, was limited with the groin. Marius Mims, also limited with an ankle, another one that will monitor.

Starting point is 00:19:47 Shelner Man can still not back as he's dealing with that illness. And those are the big ones on the injury report. But Hard Knocks was interesting to say the least. Let's talk about the biggest takeaways and notes from the first episode of the end-season AFC North Hard Knocks here coming up next. Today's show is brought to by Ice Shaker.com. I know you're like me and your holiday shopping list is, well, far from complete. Well, if that's the case, you got a Bengals fan in your life.

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Starting point is 00:22:39 There were a lot of interesting things in Hard Knocks. I actually think it was awesome. But the Batmobile, certainly something that Joe, bro did not want to talk about in his press conference said i don't know what you're talking about talked around it i asked him his favorite superhero i thought for sure he'd say spider man he went the x-men route i think he's kind of tricking us and messing with us at this point and then at the end uh he kind of mentioned like yeah excited to uh uh excited to uh see like excited for the fans to see how i act and all those things or how i am uh in hard knocks but hoping that they don't get anything that i don't

Starting point is 00:23:16 want them to see. And then he confirmed that he didn't necessarily plan on anyone finding out that he was buying one of ten batmobiles that have been made in that will ship next year from the dark night. And this batmobile is awesome. The tumbler is sweet from the movie. And it's not street legal. But I definitely plan on asking Joe if I can drive it next year. I'm not going to lie to you. That was a funny moment. That was a fun moment. And you get to see some of the personality there. and some of the interests with Joe. And then the follow-up moment today, of course. But, like, yeah, it creates a huge social media moment when the episode airs

Starting point is 00:23:57 and everybody gets a hold of the clip and it goes viral and all these things. And it was a fun moment in a season that honestly hasn't had a ton of fun moments for Bengals fans, but Joe Burroughs still very likable. And nothing wrong with a little bit of Batman fun. Nice. Great. And it's how he definitely has some Bruce Wayne vibes. And that's not a bad thing.

Starting point is 00:24:21 I could see that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, it's like, ah, that makes sense that you would have one of the 10 batmobiles being made that aren't street legal. But I think for Joe Burrell, probably legal to drive it in Cincinnati. Not going to lie to you. Interesting. Interesting. Should be.

Starting point is 00:24:37 Let's not, let's not involve anybody there that we don't need to. Let's not draw attention to it, you know? let Joe do his thing. We not have to deal with street legality questions. Well, no, but everyone's seen it. Anyways. All right, so two other things that stood out to me about Hard Knocks. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:57 One, I love watching Mike Tomlin and that Steelers coaching staff. Talk about Joe and Jamar. Yeah, that was fun. That's definitely the part that stood out to me the most is the way that Mike Tomlin and his coaching staff talked about the threats that the Bengals were bringing to bear. And including Chase Brown. And then like the follow up, I don't think this was on a hard knocks, but the follow up talking about T. Higgins,

Starting point is 00:25:25 talking about all the fouls on T. Higgins and the Hack of Shack approach, comparing T to Shack, essentially. Mike Tomlin is a charismatic coach, let's say. The guy seems like he knows what he's doing. I mean, obviously he knows what he's doing. Yeah. So a couple of things. Joe and Jamar are the scariest duo in the league,

Starting point is 00:25:47 and that's why you get that kind of respect. He said this SOB is dangerous, talking about Joe. I love it. But, and I got a look here. Hey, Mike. Actually, this is a Bengals thing. Mike can do whatever he wants. The shack line, Bengals, is Mike Tomlin recruiting T. Higgins.

Starting point is 00:26:10 He's starting it now. And the Steelers are going to try to sign. him. And so what I need you to do is not let the Steelers get the opportunity. The way you do that is by tagging T. Higgins and not letting him pick his next team because he very well could end up in Pittsburgh because if he gets into a room with Mike Tomlin, they offer him 30 million plus per year and it's Mike Tomlin, he might go to Pittsburgh. So please, Bengals, to PSA on December 5th. Franchise tag deadline is multiple months away. Count your pennies, get that thing going and tag him and trade him somewhere else.

Starting point is 00:26:43 at least or just resign him. Yeah, the most important thing is that he cannot go somewhere for free, especially to Pittsburgh who's been squirling away money for a premier wide receiver for a while now. I mean, T. Higgins isn't Shaq. Mike Tomlin is just trying. You play Shaq, you got a foul. Use your fouls.

Starting point is 00:27:03 He's a coach who knows how to connect to players. That was obvious from watching Hard Knocks as well, right? You can see the way that he connects to his players. You can see how his messages can resonate with his team. There was a juxtaposition there, too, I would say, with watching the way that Tomlin interacts and interfaces with the Steelers

Starting point is 00:27:23 and the way Zach is interfacing and interacting with the Bengals. Fair, fair. Different styles. Different styles for sure. Yeah, like I don't really have, I like that. I think it's more entertaining on Hard Knocks to see that side for sure. I mean, I love how he built up Orlando Brown Jr. which is when he's healthy, certainly fair.

Starting point is 00:27:46 And he's like, Zeus Brown, the reason he's here is because Alex Highsmith blew past this dude. He's talking about Jonah. Yeah. Just roughs up Jonah, bad. Poor Jonah. Catch and strays. And it's not wrong. It isn't wrong.

Starting point is 00:28:06 And I like that because, by the way, that's why you could, there's the shift. of everything. Jamar got Tyreek Hill traded. Oh, no, he didn't. What are you talking about? Yeah, he did. They wanted to revamp that entire secondary, and they wanted to pay a bunch of offensive linemen. And so, Jamar was part of that because they had to revamp their entire secondary with the chiefs. Like, that's what you do is you prepare to beat your guy, these rivals. And so the Orlando part of it was interesting.

Starting point is 00:28:37 I do wish they would have mentioned that he was playing through injury, though, instead of not. You know, that was kind of dumb. Yeah, I mean, they certainly knew. Hard knocks. Well, yeah, everybody knew. Everybody knew. I wonder if they're Mike, you think this room is mic up right now? Uh-oh.

Starting point is 00:28:52 I'm at the stadium. You're going to end up on Hard Knocks. Oh, no. Man. Was that, is that it for you on Hard Knocks? You said two things. I don't know if we got to the second one. It is for now.

Starting point is 00:29:03 Go ahead. Okay. No, that's it. That's all I got. No, and Joe's reaction to just being amazing. Like the jump pass That was pretty cool. That was pretty cool.

Starting point is 00:29:17 Like that's, that really is just how he is, huh? He was fired up in the moment, but then as soon as he got to the sideline, yeah, it was back to Joe. Like normal Joe. Like that's just him.

Starting point is 00:29:28 Yeah. Like he would say that if I asked him like, how was it beating Kade York and ping pong? I saw that final point. That was pretty cool. Like a jump pass with Cam Hayward hugging you. thrown into Jemar. So he did work on, on Thursday,

Starting point is 00:29:48 he did work on multiple jump passes at practice. So I thought that was fun. That was a big part of his game against the Steelers. He's jumping all over the place. I mean, he's getting hit going to the ground, throwing going to the ground more than I can ever remember in the last few weeks. I hate it. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:30:04 But he's also giving us more LSU-Burrow moments than, like at a higher frequency than we've seen in his career so far, was son of the playmaking. He's been great. That hasn't changed. Bottom line, I think Hard Knocks was unexpectedly, I think, an enjoyable watch, despite the way things are going with the Bengals and with the season in Cincinnati.

Starting point is 00:30:27 It was still worthwhile and still some cool stuff and getting to see what's going on. You still learn some things, I think. And I can't wait to drive the Batmobile. Thanks, Joe. That's the most important thing. James asking Joe Burrow, to drive the Batmobile. That's going to do it for this episode

Starting point is 00:30:46 of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. We'll be back with a preview for Monday night football on Sunday. You'll see that episode drop on your feeds. Until then, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Ho day.

Starting point is 00:31:00 Have a good one.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Injured Cincinnati Bengals veteran shutting it down, but Joe Burrow emphasized the importance of the home stretch

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