Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Joe Burrow PRAISES Veteran Leadership From Key Defensive Additions

Starting point is 00:00:00 Another quote from Joe Burrow, another instance in him being thrilled with the additions of Brian Cook, Dexter Lawrence, Jonathan Allen. Let's break it down. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Locked on Bengals podcast. He's James Rapids. I'm Jake Liscoe and T. Higgins has showed up for the Bengals offseason program, which I think makes Jamar Chase the only notable absence at this point. And with T arriving, we're going to talk a little bit later in the show about what expectations should be for T. Higgins this year after he continued to put up good numbers in a Joe Burrow-led offense without Joe Burrow last year.

Starting point is 00:00:53 We're going to finish a show there. But Joe Burrow talked to Jeff Hobson of Bengals.com as he's back in the building, been around for a couple of weeks now, and is expected to talk to the media sometime in the. the near future. And he, once again, for the third straight week, I want to say, James, has been asked about things that the Bengals have done and the offseason and all these things. And once again, has tripled down, quadrupled down. I don't know how many times he's done it at this point on support for an appreciation for the way the Bengals front office went about this off season and praise for the additions and how they fit into the locker room.

Starting point is 00:01:35 For sure. And I think the thing that, there's a few things certainly that stand out about this round of quotes to Jeff Hobson. And like you said, we'll hear from Joe soon. And hopefully he has time to expand on even these thoughts. But he said something that I think should be music to Bengals fans' ears, especially if it's truth serum. He really believes it. He's talking about the organization. And he said, quote, they're going to keep getting great players to come play for the Bengals. and when they do that, then it's my job and Zach's job and the leaders of this team to bring the locker room together and then go execute on the field. We have everything we need.

Starting point is 00:02:12 Now that we have everything we need dates back to last week in this conversation with Hobson, but they're going to go out and keep getting great players to come play for the Bengals, well, that's awesome to hear. And that's awesome that Joe believes that, assuming he does believe that, because of all of the national reckless speculation

Starting point is 00:02:32 is what I'll call it. Reckless, reckless speculation about Joe Burroughs' future, about his unhappiness, about everything that we read into and dissect and talk about his future and what it's going to be and how it's going to be. I mean, there's stuff this week even I saw a Chris Carter clip. Like there's just things out there that are always going to be there.

Starting point is 00:02:50 But when you have Joe saying that, I don't think he would say that just to say that because it sounds good. I think to at least a certain degree he believes that. And this shows the weight. literally of the Dexter Lawrence trade and what it means and what it symbolizes

Starting point is 00:03:08 and what I think it does to Joe Burroughs mindset, our mindset, everyone listening and watching their mindset as well and it's gone a long way. So that part of the quote stood out to me because it is a bit different and I think you can't extrapolate that and kind of project that a little bit

Starting point is 00:03:24 with how he really feels about this front office based on what they've done this office. I can't believe there's another Chris, what did Chris Carter say? Like, what could you possibly? I mean, I guess the hassleback quote was just what last week? Like, what could people possibly still be saying? I don't understand how this is still a thing.

Starting point is 00:03:43 Well, the Chris thing. And maybe it was old, but it was like, it was very much a high level pull of Carson. He's going to get sick of it there. I'd never rooted for the Bengals, even though I grew up 20 minutes away from the state, 20 miles from the stadium, like all that, like very general high level stuff. and yeah i mean that's it like that's the perception but the the thing that i would say and the person that's been on this and deserves a lot of credit for it is is Andrew Whitworth because he can say from the player's side like hey make the big move because it matters i can say for a fact

Starting point is 00:04:18 that there were players in the building that weren't telling me hey make a big move but when we say hey maybe try to push at the trade deadline or try to add this or try players yeah go do it like they're on board too they want that to happen and so when you make a move like this that is just has tremendous ripple effects for your defense and shows how in you are i certainly think joe burrow feels that and uh and that's what the example is here i think his confidence if you gave him truth serum his confidence in the front office and belief in the front office today versus where it was three months ago i think did change whether or not he would admit that now who knows, but I don't know how it couldn't have changed given what they did.

Starting point is 00:05:02 I think that's where the reckless speculation, as you put it, like actually had some feet. We talked about this offseason being massively important, and then they went out and they were pretty aggressive, right? They could have done things differently. We've talked a lot. So if you're out there and you're still critical of the Bengals front office and the moves that made this off season, we get it. We've talked about that we've nitpicked, right?

Starting point is 00:05:25 We've talked about the things they didn't do. We're not doing that today. But if you think we're being two orange-tinted glasses here, the episodes are out there. You can go find them when we talked about the things that we would have done differently and the nitpicks that you can have with the off-season. And their focus on the linebacker position with an honorable mention for the slot corner job, which is a little bit up in the air right now.

Starting point is 00:05:52 So we're not going to rehash too much of that today. But Burrow, once again, we have everything we need. That's his motto for this season. That is a big change from what he had to say about free agency and the importance of this offseason before the player acquisition phase of things was going down, right? Before the Bengals made the moves they were making and we talked about those borough quotes.

Starting point is 00:06:16 We dissected those borough quotes in the last couple times we heard from him before the off season. And now that we're hearing from him again, he's clearly approving the approach from the front office and the moves that they did make regardless of what's going on at linebacker, right? And so that is important. I think that the continued speculation from people like Hasselbeck and if Chris Carter's quote was recent, Chris Carter, like that at this point is quite reckless. I agree with you. Like, what are we doing at this point? Pretty unfounded.

Starting point is 00:06:51 Most of the national media, though, James has. in the other direction. Before we dive back into the borough quotes and talk about the specific players, he talked about the leadership changes in the locker room he's noticing. Like Peter Schrager is one example of several that's pretty in on the Bengals. And you started to hear this after his interview with Zach Taylor a couple of weeks ago, I think that was. And again, on Tuesday, as we're recording this show, he's saying the Bengals are going to be one of these teams. It's going to be a big Super Bowl pick, trendy Super Bowl pick, going to emerge a Super Bowl favorites at some point.

Starting point is 00:07:24 The Dexter Lawrence trade has shifted the conversation for many. Not entirely. There's still people with questions and they're looking at the linebackers. They're like, how those linebackers could still sink him. That's still out there. But largely, you've seen this flip in the national narrative. And that's in the wake of the Dexter Lawrence trade. And that's what taking that kind of swing can do for you in the eyes of the media narrative,

Starting point is 00:07:48 the national media narrative that continues to get peddled at this time. the offseason. We're in the middle of May, late May now, right? Things are starting to quiet down before training camp a little bit. We'll get a little surge with OTAs in June, but at this time of year, that's what these shows are talking about. That Dexter Lawrence trade really changed the way most in the media perceive this team. For sure. It did, and it should, and there's a pre-dex and a post-dex, and in the ripple effect that comes with it, and there's a belief part of it. There's a leadership part of it. There's plenty we can dive into from a Dexter wanting to prove the Bengals right angle that I think is there as well.

Starting point is 00:08:31 And this organization, this team, they have a lot to prove. And I think when you make that move, you send a message from Brian Cook, right, who knows from a very local angle, the good, bad, in between speculation, everything Bengals-wise, because he's from here. like he's experienced it more than Joe has because he's from here and understands it. And so to show them and him what they're about with a move like this, I certainly think it has a huge impact. And obviously, media-wise, it's impacted how we view this roster and their ceiling. Yeah, it's not just media, obviously. We've talked a lot about the impact within the locker room.

Starting point is 00:09:11 Joe Burrow talked about the impact that he's noticing within the locker room with the veteran additions that the Bengals made this offseason. And we'll discuss how those guys are going to fit in. We started to touch on this a little bit yesterday, even, James. We were talking about who the defensive captains are going to be this year. We'll circle back to the rest of what Joe Burrow had to say to Jeff Hobson coming up next. This episode of Lockdown Bengals is sponsored by Indeed, sponsored jobs. And if you're dealing with workplace chaos and deadlines piling up,

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Starting point is 00:10:45 And look, when you read Joe Burroughs comments, maybe he's just Amy, who comes to mind, but I think it's important that he said, said this to Jeff. He said, you can feel the vibe and the leadership has changed in the locker room a little bit. It's exciting for everyone. Be Cook, in the limited time he's here, you can feel his presence early. Dexter, too, a lot of guys on the D-line now. You have Jonathan Allen, Miles Murphy, is walking around with a little more pep in his step this year. It's exciting to see, I think he grew in confidence over the final stretch of the year.

Starting point is 00:11:17 And that's it is Miles' confidence is growing, so he does have a little more pepiness. in a step because guess what? He feels like he could play at this level and be a good player. I'm sure he feels much more confident now than he did a year ago at this time, for example. But the Brian Cook one is the one I noticed right away. I haven't been around Dexter enough and near his locker and all of those things. Obviously, it's easy to believe why that would, he would have a gravitational fool. And it would work from a culture standpoint.

Starting point is 00:11:44 But the Brian Cook one, I just, I saw it right away. And you hear things at the University of Cincinnati, how important he was there. in Kansas City I don't think he was necessarily someone that at least from a front bar of 2,000 foot view angle was this giant leader

Starting point is 00:12:02 in on that defense and yet coming here and just watching how he was interacting with his teammates and again he has Gino Stone's old locker and just seeing how that interactions went how those interactions went how he was just kind of hang him almost

Starting point is 00:12:18 you could see why that presence would make an impact. And I said this on yesterday's show. So this isn't me seeing Burroughs comments and being like, oh, well, yeah, I agree with Joe. No, no. Like I saw it. And then for Joe to say it, I think that it goes, it goes a long way because he's obviously been there for a little over a week. I've interacted with Brian Cook for two, three minutes total. And it was an observation that I felt like was pretty, pretty clear. And so for Joe to say that, it looks like that two to three minutes that first glance, so to speak, Brian Cook is going to matter on this defense. It does bring some leadership.

Starting point is 00:12:56 Yeah, it wouldn't be a surprise at all if he ends up being a captain. We talked about that yesterday and a big emphasis from this team going into the offseason that we heard coaches talk about. We heard the front office talk about was the need for leadership on that side of the ball as well. And they went out and got it in these veterans. Brian Cook sounds like he's making his mark as a leader right away. Dexter Lawrence has been in the building according to everything I've heard every day or

Starting point is 00:13:19 just about every day since they acquired him from the New York Giants, and he flew in for that physical. He hasn't missed a day. He's been there for all the conditioning work. He's been there for phase two. By all indications, going to continue to be there working every day, the centerpiece of the Bengals' social media efforts on that side of the ball.

Starting point is 00:13:37 He is going to have an opportunity, very obviously, to take the reins and be the face of this defense, right? As he should when you give up the 10th overall pick for him. and Jonathan Allen obviously has a ton of skins on the wall as well. It's been in this league for a long time. Those three guys as veteran additions, significant experience and leadership traits that they add to the room there. And that's not to mention guys like DJ Turner that we talked about yesterday,

Starting point is 00:14:06 starting up into leadership roles last season. And Jordan Battle, who continues to draw the praise of Al Golden and has drawn the praise from this front office and coaching staff throughout the offseason about his ability to lead and communicate on the defensive side of the ball. So there are avenues toward leadership emerging on that side of the ball, where on the offensive side of the ball, you're really not worried about it, right? You got Joe, Jamar, T, Orlando, Ted, and a stable of guys that have been around this team for so long. Chase Brown even fits into this category as a potential vocal presence on that side of the ball

Starting point is 00:14:44 where you're not really worried about leadership on offense for this team. on the defensive side of the ball, where has it been for honestly several years? Like they brought Von Bell back partially or perhaps in large part for his leadership presence and his communication ability more than for what he could still do on the football field at that point. And obviously that didn't go quite according to plan. But like it's been a couple of years now that they've been looking for that leadership in that side of the ball. And obviously talent is part of it too. You have to be good.

Starting point is 00:15:18 You talked about this yesterday with, you know, so like you have to produce on the field to really be seen as a real leader on your football team. And so the Bengals go out and get guys that are proven. And they immediately, it sounds like, have taken to that role in a room that is generally, the defensive side of the ball for this team was generally quite young, right? Quite an experience. All of the extensions we're talking about besides really Chase Brown. And next year, Mario Smiths, on the defensive side of the ball,

Starting point is 00:15:48 Look at the average age of the Bengals this year. They're one of the older teams in the NFL and Joe Flacco is on the team and that's a big part of it. Ted Harris is on the team and that's a big part of it, right? Josh Johnson's on the team and that's a big part of it right now. But the defensive side of the ball still quite young. And so adding the veterans there really seems to be making an early impact from Joe's perspective and from your observation you talked about with Brian Cook yesterday. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 00:16:11 Adding guys like that, hopefully Bobby Wagner knocks up that average age up a little bit more. And they get someone like that. get to the older side on the defensive side of the ball too yeah sure yeah that's fine right we've been banging the drum for clays campbell for 52 years and he ends up back in the division yeah 50 literally 52 years we've been talking about that 70 year old man that's still somehow getting gets after opposing quarterbacks but like that's that's it is it having that balance i think that's the perfect thing you you want guys that can still play but you need guys that can lead and set the tone set the example and actually respond to adversity.

Starting point is 00:16:48 I mean, and Gino Stone, like the, he made some plays, but a lot of his plays were made when the season was already decided in 2024. He made some plays, but one of the big moments I remember of the Gino Stone era was an interception in practice of Joe Burrell in practice. And it was his first training camp. And part of why I remember it is because I went up to Joe in the locker room afterward, and Joe's response, he clearly wasn't happy and did not want to be, talking about this interception that he had just thrown in practice.

Starting point is 00:17:19 And so that's probably why I remember that Geno Stone experiences. That was one of the best plays he made as a Bengal. And so we'll see what Brian does, but there's no reason to believe that he won't make place, that he won't be where he needs to be, that he won't make the majority of the tackles that he's faced with. And by majority, I mean, I tackled a high rate and have a very low miss tackle rate. Like, that's it. And so whether it's that, whether it's the.

Starting point is 00:17:45 needing to prove something for Dexter like i think that's a big thing he doesn't have to lead he doesn't have to be there right now and and he's been there since the trade and trades flip you on your face he has a little one he has a significant other moving cities boom just like that and and i get it like he's going to be able to stay in hotel and his family's probably back at home and they're they're working things out but like that's still not fun and he doesn't have to do that and he is doing that and i think that's pretty noteworthy. Last quote from Joe that we're not going to spend a ton of time on here, but in addition to the veterans, Joe seemed impressed with this first impression with the rookies, and he's not going

Starting point is 00:18:23 to say anything negative there. But it was an interesting quote. First impression, we've got guys that care about their game, care about the game, care about their job, and want to be great when you have young guys like that, and veterans like we do, it's a recipe for success. I think we've seen similar quotes from Joe Burrow in the past, so not necessarily a tongue there, but perhaps an acknowledgement that the football character for these guys based on his first impressions, and that's what he was talking about, first impressions, right? The football character for the Bengals young players that they've added has stood out to Joe Burroughs. Well, obviously, we'll see how that plays out over the next six to eight months or however many months are ahead of us in these rookie seasons.

Starting point is 00:19:04 I can't do math. It's May 19th. You want me to do math on May 19th? You're barking at the wrong tree, James. but it'll be fun to see how these rookies fit in and it sounds like they've earned a little bit of respect from Joe Burrow right off the bat as a well. But in addition to the big trade for a big time player,

Starting point is 00:19:24 that's another Joe Burrow quote, signing a top free agent safety on the market, another Joe Burrow quote, T. Higgins, we know T. Higgins quite well. He was back in Cincinnati. He made his appearance for the offseason program. He's working out with the team. So let's talk about expectations for T this season and what will be another big one for the Bengals wide receiver,

Starting point is 00:19:47 one of the key pieces to get this offense going and keep them on track. We'll discuss T. Higgins a little bit. Haven't talked about him much for a while coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by game time. Look, we can stream any show we want. We can order food, boom, just like that. And yet getting tickets to our favorite live events is complicated. I'm hoping to go to the Eastern Conference Finals

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Starting point is 00:21:24 He's missed a little bit of time here and there. But in the last two years, despite not going over 1,000 yards, 10 and 11 touchdowns. And that's with Joe Burrough, obviously, missing time last year. So another exciting year for T. Higgins. where are your expectations for T this year? Hi. T needs to play the best ball of his career. And I have one of those years.

Starting point is 00:21:48 He was asked at Chad's wide receiver camp to stop, stop the person if you hear a better duo, and they were going through the duos, and then they got to Chris Carter and Randy Moss, and then they got to Tio and Jerry. And Tio and Jerry historically are the best of that group. When they were playing, though, I think Jerry was on the back end, not what he once was in his prime, and T.O. was on the front end and still in diapers from an NFL standpoint and not yet in his prime.

Starting point is 00:22:17 Randy, that man was in his prime the moment he got here, even though Chris Carter was a bit after. But my point is, if you want it to be clear cut, and I do think that they're capable of it, I mean, T is a beast. Like, T is just, he's a freak among freaks. There's a reason why there was so much speculation. We talk about the borough speculation. So much speculation about T. Higgins' future. It's because 6-4-220 doesn't grow on a tree where it moves like him and has his attitude and can run the routes that he can and do the things that he can do at the catchpoint.

Starting point is 00:22:49 And he's just, he's a really, really good player. So I look at that and you're right. I mean, the 908 yards is a rookie. Well, he had 846 last year. And he did have the 11 touchdowns. And I think that's where we've really seen his game above. He's got 21 touchdowns over the past two years. he's T the touchdown maker

Starting point is 00:23:06 and in that will play anywhere but I think about the 59 catches last season and that number is going to go up I know it worked when Flacco got in but man the Jake Brown in games I think about that I think about how healthy he has been knock on wood over the past couple of years where he's been able to improve in that area

Starting point is 00:23:30 and I think that's the important thing last year 15 games played and so you go from 10 touchdowns in 12 games to the following year, 11 touchdowns and 15 games, and you're playing with a backup quarterback, a significant chunk of that. I want 1,200 yards for the first time in his career. I think that's realistic,

Starting point is 00:23:50 and I want double-digit touchdowns, and I also think that's realistic. And if anybody rolls their eyes at that, but you know what? I don't want to hear it because I've heard a lot of people talk about how great this offense is and should be and they don't need anything. Well, part of the, that logic is T. Higgins is a 1,200 yard 10 touchdown type of guy. And I believe he can be that.

Starting point is 00:24:09 And so my expectations are high there. And that's what they should be because he should be smack dab in the middle of his prime and have one of the best seasons we've seen from a Bengals wide receiver. I know Jemar's on the team, but that's where my standard is for T. He's got to stay on the field, right? Like you said, that's such a big part of it because the targets just haven't been there for him to get to those numbers the last few years. after his first, well, I guess the second two seasons where he went over over a thousand yards. This includes a postseason what I'm looking at here. But 2021, obviously, the Super Bowl runs with some extra games there. 136 targets, 1,400 yards including the playoffs that year.

Starting point is 00:24:46 125 targets the next year, 1177 yards. That, again, includes the playoffs. And so missing the playoffs doesn't help when you're talking about these counting stats. But the targets just haven't been there. 136, 125 targets those years. The last two years, just 104. in 98, get a full year targets for T, you're going to see those numbers go up. And while you're talking about the Jerry Rice, Terrell-Owens duo,

Starting point is 00:25:10 and obviously anyone that thinks about the prime of their careers is going to say, of course, Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens are better than T. and Jamar. I mean, it's Jerry Rice and Terrell-Owens. When they played together, if you look at only when they played together, which was 1996 to 2000, 1996, 1996 Terrell-Owins rookie season, and then Jerry Rice was playing for the Raiders in 2001. T.O. in those years was averaging 950 yards per season and averaging 8.6 touchdowns for season. Jerry Rice in those years was averaging 824 yards per season and just six touchdowns per season.

Starting point is 00:25:47 So when you compare T. and Jamar now to the time that T.O. and Jerry actually overlapped and not their peaks, you're right. That's an interesting, it's an interesting little comparison. The year before Terrell Owens was drafted by the San Francisco 49ers, Jerry, had 1,148 yards and 15 touchdowns. So, well, and quarterback's play was such a huge thing too for those teams. For sure. But like Jerry's peak was like right before Tio arrived. That was his most prolific season in terms of the combined yards and touchdowns.

Starting point is 00:26:20 Like he had 22 touchdowns back in 1987, of course. He had 17 touchdowns in 1989 with 1,400 yards. But when you look at the yard plus touchdowns, 1995, the big season. So, yeah, just when you look at when they overlapped, the proposition for T and T, T having some hesitation about some of those duos, those great historic duos, is a little bit more reasonable, in my opinion, when you start to bring up, like, the actual time those guys did play together. For sure. And that's it. The timing there, like, no one's going to doubt 15,000 yard T.O. And Jerry Rice, I mean, combining for nearly 40,000 yards, if you do it that way.

Starting point is 00:26:58 without looking, I'm sure it's over 300 touchdowns. Like insane, but they didn't do that together. And when you talk about duos, this easily has a chance to be the one two, number one duo, like at one and one A or whatever you want to say it, in Bengals history, touchdowns are a big part of that. Having a quarterback like Joe Burrough is a big part of that. But honestly, if you can be the duo that gets to two Super Bowls

Starting point is 00:27:27 and 3AFC championship games and you put up these big numbers and you got a ring to show at the end of it, that's going to go a long way. And so I have high expectations for T. He needs to be he needs to be one of these top 10 type receivers numbers-wise.

Starting point is 00:27:47 George Pickens, for example, in Dallas, he put up big numbers last year. I think T. Higgins can be every bit as good as George Pickens. And part of that is is Joe wasn't healthy. Now Joe's healthy, bombs away. Good luck. That's what it should be to opposing defenses with the starting offensive line coming back. Good luck because you've got to guard both of these guys and they're two of the best on the plan.

Starting point is 00:28:10 T. Higgins at 5,441 career yards will very likely go up to at least seven all time for the Bengals this year, passing Eddie Brown, Tyler Boyd, Darnay Scott, and T.J. Hushman's honor for career receiving yards with the Cincinnati Benz. He's currently 11th right behind TJ. He has a chance if he hits that 1,200 yard mark, James, get all the way up to 6 and pass Chris Collinsworth, Jemar Chase, just since I'm looking at this. And I'm curious, 6,837 yards right now. If he has a normal Jamar Chase season,

Starting point is 00:28:47 we'll get all the way up to number three, very likely passing Carl Pickens and Isaac Curtis this year with a normal Jamar Chase season. And then it's just... Just behind Chad and AJ. And Chad. ahead of those guys. I mean, these guys in the next couple of years could very well end up easily top five,

Starting point is 00:29:05 maybe one and two, if things go a certain way in Bengals history. And they're playing together. Like Chad, A.J., Isaac, Carl, those guys didn't play together, right? There's a little bit of overlap with Chad and T. Those are the guys on this list that you would say are the competing duo with Jammar and T. They have many more years to get there. Yeah, and that was weird. There's obviously context there.

Starting point is 00:29:29 T.J. was basically a candidate for early his career. He developed into what he was. But yeah, it needs to, it needs to be that where they're one and two. Because of the era, they're in the quarterback. They're in the years that Chase and Higgins are going to spend together. Like, this shouldn't just be the best duo. This should be two guys that end up in the ring. honor and so expectations for tea sky high my man it's it's time keep keep the thing going here you said he's

Starting point is 00:30:03 at 5600 yards roughly roughly it sounds ballpark correct that no longer 500 no it's okay 5400 you need to be really close to that 6800 that uh that jama's at right now and i'm not saying get there but if you have 1,250 yards or something like that we're talking about you in that 6,000 700-ish range. Exciting year for these wide receivers. Nice to have T back around, saw him pop up in some of the Bengals social media postings. And then tomorrow, for those of you still listening at the end of the show, we'll have an open practice to discuss an open locker room.

Starting point is 00:30:40 And we will be discussing that this week as the Bengals off-season program rolls on. Until then, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Hootin. Have a good one. Thank you.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Joe Burrow PRAISES Veteran Leadership From Key Defensive Additions

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