Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Renner Talks Bengals 1st Round Targets, LB & IOL depth, and 2026 Draft Sleepers

Starting point is 00:00:00 We spent a lot of time talking about who the Bengals could pick, 10th overall, but let's discuss who will make it to the Bengals with Mike Rent. You are Locked-on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. I'm your host, Jake Liscoe, joined today by Mike Renner, the CBS Sports Headdraft Guy. That's your official title, right? Mike and Mike is a guest that we have on a couple times a year to talk about what's going on with the NFL draft, one of our favorite draft analysts to have on the show.

Starting point is 00:00:46 Today we're going to get into some of his sleepers a little bit later on in the show. We're going to talk about depth at linebacker, which is clearly a need for the Bengals. And as of Tuesday morning, Matt Lee has been released and there could be a search for backup center. So we're going to talk about the interior offensive line depth as well. But Mike, I want to get started with handicapped. thing essentially the top 10, the top 9, try to figure out who is potentially in play for the Bengals at pick number 10, because depending on who you read at this time of year, you could have a scenario where Sunny Stiles and Caleb Downs and maybe even Ruben Bain

Starting point is 00:01:21 all fall to the Bengals at pick number 10 for different reasons, whether that's positional value or arm length. There's been discussions about those guys falling, but we can work through the top 10 guys here and figure out who you think has a chance to make it to 10. Let's cross off the obvious ones. Mendoza, we don't care about, but he's going to be gone. Arvel Reese, number two or three, right? Like almost no chance he's going past those spots in the draft? Yes, those two very obvious.

Starting point is 00:01:52 Very obvious. David Bailey seems to have quite a bit of momentum to go in the top five. Would you agree with that one, too? I think you'll be gone yet. I did a mock earlier this week where I was able to pick him. awesome if it happens seems extremely unlikely those are some of the obvious ones who else stands out to you as very obviously these guys are getting picked in the top night so i think i feel good about saying so those three i think i feel good about saying rumbane won't be there at 10 the miami defensive end just because i think

Starting point is 00:02:24 the chiefs would pick him for certain if he got to never not he is just a chief sort of defense event So those four, and then I will say, Jeremy I love ain't making it to 10, the Notre Dame running back. He's not only that caliber prospect. People are coming around to running back value after what we've seen in the past couple years. And I think his game is just like perfect for the modern game.

Starting point is 00:02:45 So he will be off the board. And I feel good saying Sunday styles would be off the board. I think the linebacker is that big, that long, that athletic, like for all the reasons, that young still. I mean, he's only 21 for a senior company. coming out and just improve the way he has with his work ethic. Someone's going to draft that guy. So I think those six I feel very good about,

Starting point is 00:03:06 I think you can pencil in at least one offensive lineman to go. I couldn't tell you which one for certain, but I would bet one will be off the board. So I think we get to seven guys. I'm like, okay, they'll be gone. I probably would say Carnell Tate is the next one that I would add to that mix of feeling confident won't be there. But that's really, it's after those six.

Starting point is 00:03:28 couldn't tell you names for certain. I don't really feel as confident about that. It really is still very much up in the air top 10. And when you talk about those six, the two that stand out to me as the ones that we've been talking about have a chance to make it to 10. I think Jeremiah I love is a very slim chance, but there's a chance just because of the whole running back value thing. Jemir Gibbs was picked very early, but at the time, I remember the reaction being like, wow, really, that early? And we'll see how much that attitude still exists. in the NFL or not. And then Ruben Bain with the arm length,

Starting point is 00:04:02 how, how, how, so you think the chiefs would pick up for sure. Yes, I would be very surprised if they passed. They haven't cared about arm length. I mean, they have a guy with Jolati had like 32 inch arms, Karloft is 32, like right in that range. They've drafted short-armed guys. It really has some factor for them. And you think that, and I've seen this from various Chiefs fans,

Starting point is 00:04:26 chiefs media, various internet platforms, there's a big desire to add to the past rush in Kansas City, despite what they've tried to do in the draft in recent years? Yes, I think they would 100% add if they had a chance at that. I think they go either offensive tackle. That's what I say offense tackle is probably likely for one of the teams up there, but either offensive tackler or him. Yeah, I've seen some top tens that consists of zero offensive linemen.

Starting point is 00:04:55 Last time that happened, 2016. What are the odds in your mind that you go nine picks? Because I don't think the Bengals are drafting an offensive lineman at 10, even if they really want a backup slash developmental interior offensive lineman who can step in in the future, Ted Karris, nearing the end of his career most likely in the next few years, Dalton Riser on a one-year deal. They just extended Orlando Brown, so there's not a huge need to tackle,

Starting point is 00:05:21 and these guys that are potentially top 10 picks aren't necessarily going to stick to tackle. how likely do you think it is that you get to pick number 10 and no offensive line that have been picked? I'd be very surprised because I think a lot of these, not say everyone needs off-tackle, there are some teams that are probably set, but there are, like New Orleans, they've drafted two in the first round past a few years, they're not going to draft one. But if you pass here, you're not getting one. There's no, like, day two offensive tackles. It's so slim.

Starting point is 00:05:53 So that to me is, that just would be surprised if all nine days. Yeah, I think I'm with you there. I think it would be surprising to see, like I said, it's been 10 years, 2016, since the last time we saw a top 10 go without an offensive line. So we're talking Caleb Downs as a potential target for the Bengals at 10, and the corners are, I think, increasingly likely to be targets for the Bengals at 10, those being Mansell Delaide and Drummond McCoy. Do you see cases for any of those guys to be gone in the top 10?

Starting point is 00:06:25 I know there's been connections with Sunny Stiles and potentially, the New York Giants, for example, not Sunny-Sty styles, Caleb Downs and the New York Giants. I guess both guys, but the New York Giants. I think that the corners I could easily see go in the top 10, whether it's McCoy, whether it's Delane. I think they're that good as prospects. Downs, I think, would be a touch more surprising because of the teams in front of them and where their needs lie. I don't think K.C. would draft to safety. I don't think New Orleans would draft to safety. I don't think Cleveland would, Washington, maybe, but I doubt it.

Starting point is 00:07:01 I think they have more pressing needs. So, like, got to go up to the Giants, and even they have kind of a full-up secondary. So I just don't think the need for any of those teams are so strong in safety that they would take one. So that's why I think Downs could fall. Whereas corner for those teams and the quality of prospects of guys like Monsour Delang and Jemad McCoy, I think they are very easily top 10 picks. So when you're thinking about pick number 10 as a national draft analyst who's putting together, you know, first round mocks for the entire NFL.

Starting point is 00:07:32 You're trying to figure out who's going to go to the Bengals. Who are the top guys that you're considering as Bengals targets? Considering the mix of, sorry, considering the mix of like who will actually be there and who you think they'll draft. So assuming all the guys we said are gone are gone and we're not getting in a dream scenario here. To me, it's Germant McQuire countdowns. I had a text with my buddy.

Starting point is 00:07:53 He's a big Bengals fan. I was like, I even in that conversation, lean towards McCoy a little bit because he is, for my money, special that corner. I think he is a special man cover corner. And for Al Golden's defense, it's like, dude, that would be a heck of a secondary if you added him to the mix in terms of what they could do, just matching up, mono and mono and a great sort of compliment to DJ Turner and his speed ability. You have a more size and physical corner in McCoy.

Starting point is 00:08:23 So I think that's where I lay, but again, he's more of a real. risk, right? Coming off the ACL, I didn't get to see his work out of the Tennessee ProD himself's numbers. They were awesome. That's who he is. But I didn't see if he was fully back physically because I think what makes him really special is just change the direction at that size. He's so fluid. So I think he and the position at corner a little more valuable across the NFL. You know, the pay scale is about, I think, highest paid corner is six million more than the highest paid safety right now. And that was actually the same draft I really, Chad McDuffie and Kyle Hamilton.

Starting point is 00:08:55 So a little bit more valuable, the NFL says. So that's where I would lean. But both those guys are just fixes to problems that were very pressing for the Bengals last year. And the Bengals have this history of not paying two guys at the same position. They did it with Jamar and T, but they haven't done it many times before that. Michael Johnson, Mike Johnson, and Carlos Dunlap, Mike Johnson walks. He ends up returning. but they don't pay both Leon Hall, Jonathan Joseph, Joseph goes to the Texans.

Starting point is 00:09:29 Those are the prominent examples, but the Bengals prior to Jamar and T don't pay two guys at the same position very often, which is why Germant McCoy has felt like a target for the Bengals that may end up being the top guy on their board when they're picking 10th in a few weeks here that we've been honing in on lately on lockdown Bengals as well. Let's talk about linebacker death. Let's talk about interior offensive line depth, some potential needs for the Bengals outside of the first round coming up next. This episode of Lockdown Bengals is sponsored by BetterHelp. Financial stress is something a lot of people are carrying at this time of year, and it's not just about numbers.

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Starting point is 00:11:20 It feels like there's some good mid-round depth on the interior offensive. line as well. Do you still feel that way about linebacker as far as being one of the deeper positions in this class? I do. I think it's maybe the best linebacker class I've ever scouted. And I'm one of the people that's devaluing the linebacker a little bit in the draft. Like you don't need to use a first round pick on a linebacker. You can find those guys day two more often than not. even that. I think I have eight linebackers in my top 75

Starting point is 00:11:52 this year, which is a ton for that position, right, historically. And there's even guys outside of that that I'm like, I could see them becoming starters at the next level. So it is such a good linebacker class that even

Starting point is 00:12:10 the Bengals draft last year would not put it past them or I would not say pass on it altogether because It's just by nature of when it's a really strong class, when there's a lot of talent out of position, some people just won't take it stuff. So you get better value later on in drafts

Starting point is 00:12:27 when there are deep positions like that. The Bengals have this recent history of picking two players from a weakness of a draft class rather than the strength of a draft class. They pick two defensive tackles when we were talking to you about there being no defensive tackles worth taking before day three of the draft. They picked two wide receivers in a year that the wide receiver group wasn't very strong. And typically when they do that,

Starting point is 00:12:50 I think they pick two tight ends in a year of the tight end class. Maybe it was strong that. Eric all year, was a tight end group good or bad that year? Do you remember a couple years ago? I don't remember that off the top of it. It was okay.

Starting point is 00:13:04 It wasn't special. Last year was great, though. Well, they break that pattern. I hope so. Let's talk about the couple of blindbackers from last year, Barrett Carter Demetrius Knight. Would those guys be either of those guys?

Starting point is 00:13:17 as being your top 75 this year? No, no, they were even last year, unfortunately. Yeah, they are, I mean, I thought they reached a good amount on Demetrius Knight. I thought Barack Carter, that's where I would have drafted them, but it's like, he's a fourth-round rookie. What are you expecting them to do out there? So, yeah, those guys were not, they don't hold a candle to the top of this class in terms of how comfortable I feel about them as starter projections.

Starting point is 00:13:47 I think all those guys in the top 75, I just feel very good, plugging them in early on in their careers. I think I've seen that already from them that they can do it. And a bunch of different styles of linebacker as well in this class between the guys that you're going to put on the ball, the guys that are the Kyle Lewis's. It might be in a slot defender hybrid role in the NFL. The Bengals did just sign Kyle Dugger, and I wonder what role they have in mind for him, maybe putting him in the old Mark Barron role that hybrid linebacker safety. Kind of roll, but let me guess at the guys you've got in your top 75.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Obviously, Arvel Reese, if you're categorizing him as a linebacker would be in that group, Sonny Stiles would be in that group. I assume C.J. Allen, Anthony Hill, Jacob Rodriguez, Jake Goldie, and Kyle Lewis would be the guys I would think of. Anyone else in that group that I did not name? No, those were the guys in my top 75. And do you see Josiah Trotter just outside of that group? Oh, should I had Josiah Trotter in two. So I guess I didn't count Rvel Reese

Starting point is 00:14:48 They might eat that. And I haven't listed a defense man. Which guys do you think profile the best as the guys that can play on the line of scrimmage a little bit as well? Because that's what Al Golden specifically talked about at the combine as something that the Bengals were looking to get Demetri's site off of the line of scrimmage and have a guy that can play that role a little bit better. To me, Jake Gold is the guy outside of, you know, top 10 in this draft class.

Starting point is 00:15:15 I can do that because he's done. I mean, he literally played on the line of scrimmage when he's at Central Arkansas. He's a defensive end there and really looks good in space. Now, I would also add Jashon Barham into that mix. He now, I like him profiling more to like True Edge, but I think he's also versatile enough. And he played mostly linebacker actually at his career at Michigan. Even though I have him qualified as Edge, he would be a top 75 player. He's actually top 50 player for me.

Starting point is 00:15:40 But he's awesome at that sort of stuff, getting on the ball, rushing the passer, setting the edge against the run. He can do that very well. He's not great cover player, but if you really want to use him more blitzer, a round-wide scrimmage, you can still play off ball linebacker. And do you expect all these guys,

Starting point is 00:15:57 then, that you have really high evaluations on, the top 75 grades on? Do you expect these guys to be gone in the top three rounds? Do you think any of them make it to the fourth round? I don't think any of these guys make it to the fourth round. I don't. It's just they're two good prospects historically. It's not just that it's a weak draft.

Starting point is 00:16:17 Like of those guys, I think there's only, only Jacob Rodriguez and Cal Lewis are actually, so I said top 75, they're the only ones outside of my top 50. They are all the rest of those guys inside my top 50 draft board, which again, I put a, I put positional value in here. I think these guys are awesome prospects. So if the Bengals would like to find a linebacker to bolster their two linebacker group from 2025 that had their struggles as rookies.

Starting point is 00:16:45 They're choosing to buy into them to some degree, but I also know that they were trying to sign linebackers in some cases to large roles in free agency. So I think there is space for them to add a linebacker on day two, and I think that's probably the sweet spot unless we see an unexpected sunny styles fall, in which case I do think the Bengals might run to the podium to draft sunny styles. But let's talk about the interior offensive line. This seems like another group that's pretty deep. there will be guys maybe even into the beginning of day three of this draft that could project

Starting point is 00:17:18 to be long-term starters. Do you see this as a deep group or do you see it as weaker than I see it as? I do. I think this is a great interior office line class. And I also like consider some guys that would go on day one, right, who may end up on the interior in the NFL. So it's a very good and very deep class at that position. I think there's numerous stars you can get on day two. Do you have favorite targets round three, round four that you think are maybe being undervalued a little bit? I really like Connor Lou from Auburn. I think the ACL tear will drop him to that range.

Starting point is 00:17:59 He's still super young, though. I was surprised he came out after it because he's only 20 and coming out as a true junior. But I think he's just an easy plug and play starter at center when he's. does come out. After that, I really like Billy Shralth from Notre Dame. I think he's just a very steady. Does your sweatshirt have anything to do? There's nothing to do with that. I play it down the middle with Notre Dame. I either actually usually love guys or hate guys at Notre Dame. I feel like I barely have middling takes, but I feel like I have a very middling take on Shrout. I think he's just a very solid guard. I think he's just very technically sound. Good enough athlete, not great

Starting point is 00:18:35 athlete, but I think that's a guy that, you know, you'll be looking back in five years and he'll have a second contract and you'll be like, okay, yeah, I'm glad we took him in the third round. So that's, there's a lot of guys, though, on day two that I'm, I don't know if they make it to the third because I think the second round will see probably a handful of interior off with the line and off the board. Anyone that you like that has three position interior offensive line flex that you really like to play across the interior? That's a good question, because I think

Starting point is 00:19:06 a lot of the guys in this class I'm looking at and I'm seeing like, no, I think they're just guards or just centers. I think he's Chase DeSantis, Keel and Rutledge, my top two, day two guards. I'm like, they're just guards. And my top centers, Lou and Hecht,

Starting point is 00:19:22 Sam Hecht from Kansas State, I'm like, they're kind of just center. So I'm not actually, I don't know if there's a great three position versatile guy on day two of this draft class, now that I'm thinking about. Let me throw a couple names at you out that would be changing positions. And then we'll talk about some of your day three favorites.

Starting point is 00:19:40 You might talk about some other specific positions to finish the show coming up next. A couple guys who are changing positions most likely in the NFL, Jennings Dunker and Jenny's Dunker from Iowa and from Duke Brian Parker, who's actually a Cincinnati guy. And as a guy that the Bengals have paid a little bit of attention to in the pre-draft process, those guys profile to be interior offensive line and in the NFL. And both, I think there's been discussion about those guys playing center. Do you think that they can play center and be three-spot interior offensive line guys? I think Parker could.

Starting point is 00:20:18 I think that's maybe his most intriguing position for me because he really struggles with play strength. But he's good technically and a lot of centers, center is a little bit more position-based, a little bit more technique-based than guard, in my opinion. So I think you get by there, but I'm lower on him. I see him as more of a day three offensive lineman. Dunker actually see as a day three offensive lineman as well, but I think he's more of a guard. He's just so broad and not the most reactive quicks on the interior,

Starting point is 00:20:52 which is what I like more at center. I like guys who are very cerebral and can deal with a lot of trash because that's what you have to do at center position a lot. Yeah, that makes sense to me. I want to talk about tight ends a little bit as well. This wasn't on our agenda per se. But before we dive into some of your favorite day three targets, some of your guys that you think are being undervalued by the league,

Starting point is 00:21:14 I think it's a really interesting tight end class. There are, again, a number of different styles of tight end in this class. And Dave Bruegler's talked about how he can't find the end of it. Just incredibly deep here. Do you feel the same way? Deep, deep tight end class? I do. There's like 20 guys I want to take in the fourth round.

Starting point is 00:21:33 Yeah. They're all in that like third to fourth round range, right? Yeah. They're all they're all like fourth rounders to me, the tight-end class. What do you think about staying on the topic of Notre Dame, Eli Raritan, and his ability to do a little bit more potentially as a receiver in the NFL where he's a good blocker. He can run the seams. And is there something left on that bone at the NFL level? I don't think so. Unfortunately, I really was hopeful for him early on in his career, but he's just a touch stiff as a round runner. I don't think he can create space on his own,

Starting point is 00:22:05 but he can run, and he's physical after the catch. So he can at least be like a nice in-line guy to, you know, maybe have a more dynamic tight end to in that room. But I think my favorite in that range is a guy named Nate Burkirch, Borracher from Texas A&M. Unfortunately, caught the gameway touchdown against Notre Dame. earlier this past year. But I love his ball scales.

Starting point is 00:22:33 I love his physicality. I thought he was the best rock runner at the Senior Bowl. I think he's older, but I think he actually has some more developmental potential as a receiver, at least just some ability that a lot of these other guys don't have in this class. Really tough to balance. A tight end, I think, especially.

Starting point is 00:22:53 And I think linebacker to some degree as well, like the 24, 25-year-old prospect is going to be 25 as a rookie and trying to figure out because tight end takes a couple of years sometimes. A lot of times tight ends are second contract guys where you see the real breakouts happening on second contracts. And for a 25-year-old rookie, a second contract is coming at 29, 30 years old.

Starting point is 00:23:13 It can be difficult to navigate that for NFL teams. The other guy that I was curious to get your take on Max, Claire, do you see him a little bit earlier? Is he also third, fourth round guy for you? Yeah, I think Claire is, I'd say like an early third. for me, I would have said early second after last year at Purdue, but he really just, he honestly looked like he added weight and didn't hold it well, which is always kind of the worry with undersized tight ends is sometimes guys put on 10 pounds and they get slower.

Starting point is 00:23:45 They get, you know, less athletic. And that's what it felt like on tape this past year. But he has the most natural receiving ability in this draft class. And that's even considering like Sadiq, who's going to go first round. I think Claire catches it easily. He has very good feet to get himself open. So he's probably my favorite true Y tight end in this draft class. Even if he's not a great blocker, I think he can hold his own there enough

Starting point is 00:24:12 and then actually be a receiving weapon. Yeah, the thing for the Bengals specifically with tight end is finding the guy that can do both things because they've got Drew Sample, who does one thing. He's blocking. And he's almost a net negative when he actually does run around. I think there are plays where I think he actually detracts from the play when they have to ask him to do something. Joe Burrough sometimes just doesn't see him,

Starting point is 00:24:39 like has some Drew Sample blindness. I've joked about over the years. And then they've got Mike Gaseki, who's not really a tight end. Tanner Hudson, his backup, not really a tight end. And then we'll see with Eric Old, right? He thinks he's coming back from that ACL that they had to essentially salvage. and he missed a whole year for it, and he's hoping that this year he's able to get back. But it's hard to say there.

Starting point is 00:25:02 And so looking for the guy that can actually line up in line and do a little bit of both things, the way that Eric Hall was able to do those things for this offense, has been something that's been on my mind. But let's talk about your favorite sleepers in this class. Mike, is there anyone that you see that you think is just, like, crazy undervalued in this draft class by the rest of the world? I've been high on Caleb Proctor from southeast Louisiana for a while. He's a top 100 guy for me in defense tackle.

Starting point is 00:25:31 He's one of the few like true three texts in this draft class. I really fought for him to get to the Shrine Bowl in the first place. But now it seems like he might actually just go top 100. I was seeing something today that a lot of people are high on him in NFL buildings because of his on-field athletic testing. Like literally GPS numbers. The GPS stuff, yeah. So he's a guy I've been banging table for for a while.

Starting point is 00:25:55 Orker, which I already mentioned is a guy I've been super high on. Gosh, after that, I like Cole Payton in this draft class, the North Coast State QB. I would take him in the top 100. Not a lot of people have. Maybe not a lot of people have you even seen his tape, right? He hasn't played a ton of football. But he's, I think he spins it really well for a guy who hasn't played that much. and I'm just curious with his tools what he could become.

Starting point is 00:26:25 So he's a guy I've seen that range. I also like since he's Cyrus Allen, the wide receiver. I think he is dynamic. And to me, he's going to end up a top 100 player on my draft board despite you didn't even get a combine invite. So I think those three are some under the rare guys where I'm like I would buy higher than where they're going to end up doing. You mentioned Barham as well, not to circle back too much to guys we've already talked about.

Starting point is 00:26:47 But you said Barham was a top 50 guy for you? Yeah. And I think by consensus, we see him at 115 by the consensus we're tracking right now. And maybe that's not totally up to date, but I'm pretty sure we have him at Consensus 115. That's pretty low for him. Who else stands out for us? I'm just looking at the guys that we have higher than consensus. Gabe Acis is a guy that we have much higher than consensus.

Starting point is 00:27:15 Consensus day, too, but has some really, really strong production. and we incorporate data into the board that we end up using. Where are you on Acus and what you'd see for him at the NFL level? I've been 35th on my board that I'm finalizing right now. I finalize the top 50 though. So he's 35th. I'm a big fan of his. I think he's, I love his first step quicks and how twitchy he is as a mover for his size.

Starting point is 00:27:41 I love the wrestling background. Yeah, I just, there's not a ton to dislike other than, I don't think he's a true dude in the running game, but I think he's got the most ways to win of all these guys from kind of in the day two mix talking about along at the edge position. Another guy that really stands out for us, and these are some spoilers for those of you that are waiting for the draft sheet that we put out every year.

Starting point is 00:28:07 Caleb Elarmes-Or, linebacker from TCU. We have way higher than 132, which is what we've got for his consensus right now. Do you have any unique thoughts? on Elarm Zor? I don't think I made the unique. I'm higher than 132, but he's just outside of my top 100. I think he's awesome as a blitzer this past year at TCU,

Starting point is 00:28:27 and he's super explosive, so there's a lot to work with there. Eli Raredon, we talked about him earlier. We have him much higher than his 144 consensus ranking. I think another one that stood out was Duke Corner, Duke Slot Corner. Help me with the name here. Can I have the name? And now I don't have Chandler. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:49 You see him as about where he should be. He's seen as, I think, a day three or late day two. Okay, yeah, that's about where I have him. All right. Well, hopefully the Bengals get one of those dreams scenarios in the top 10. I'm still dreaming on Ruben Bing out of all the guys that could fall. I'm just hoping that the NFL is where all these doomsayers are with the arm length and that he makes it to 10 because I personally like his take.

Starting point is 00:29:18 more than I like David Bailey as a pass rusher as an all-round player that's a personal opinion but I know that's fairly divisive fairly divisive players but

Starting point is 00:29:30 Ruben Bay's younger too that's part of it for me yeah I like him quite a bit more I'll just say I think it's a bit higher so yeah but some people like ghost moves and I guess if you like ghost moves

Starting point is 00:29:44 you really like David Bailey you can find Mike's workover a CBS sports and we really appreciate the time you give us every year Mike this is always an awesome episode and that'll do it for this episode of the lockdown Bengals podcast until next time thanks for listening. Hoor Day. Have a good one.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Mike Renner Talks Bengals 1st Round Targets, LB & IOL depth, and 2026 Draft Sleepers

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