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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Denver Broncos and Cincinnati Bengals are both looking to avoid a little bit of a tailspin going into the month of October. They'll cap off week four here on Monday night football. And we're talking about it on today's crossover Thursday edition. Locked on Broncos, locked on Bengals. Locked on NFL crossover, part of the Locked on podcast network. Your team every day. The Broncos and Bengals played one of the best and one of the NFL's most highly rated games in the 2024 season back around Christmas time. Here in 2025, week four, there's a vastly different storyline going on with these two teams.

Starting point is 00:00:43 Obviously, the Denver Broncos lost two straight and the Cincinnati Bengals have lost their star quarterback. So what do you have to look forward to in this game, Broncos country and Bengals fans? Well, we're going to break it all down for you on today's crossover Thursday edition, Locked on Broncos and Locked on Bengals. Welcome to all of you listening. However you're choosing to do so, whether your favorite podcast platform or on YouTube, we appreciate you so much, all you every day is out there that make our. shows exactly what they are. My name is Sarah Bedinger. I'm the co-host of Lockdown Broncos. He's James

Starting point is 00:01:12 Rapine, host of Lockdown Bengles. And crossover Thursday is presented by Prize Picks. Download the Prize Picks app today and use code Lockdown NFL to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. James, I'm excited for this matchup and I'm more excited too because we get a chance to see these two teams going on early in the season. Last year, there were some playoff stakes. and ultimately, I think that's what we're focused on in this game, is kind of just the feeling of are the playoffs still within grasp for these two teams? Let's break down the biggest storylines in this game, James, because obviously the Cincinnati Bengals, you guys have already talked about it.

Starting point is 00:01:49 I'm sure you're ready to move on from talking about it, but it is obviously a big underlying theme every single week here. Going into Denver this week, the backup quarterback, Jake Browning, what's the biggest storyline for the Bengals here in week four? Well, it's can they be a competent football team because they weren't last week against the Vikings. You lose 48 to 10 and it was ugly. Five turnovers, two other fumbles that weren't turnovers, one pick six, a fumble recovery for a touchdown. I mean, it was as bad of a performance as you could get.

Starting point is 00:02:23 And now you're going up against a Broncos team that needs to win. Let's be honest here. Both of these teams feel like they need to win because if the Bengals fall to two and two with Detroit looming with what we saw from Detroit on Monday night. That's a really tough spot to be in, especially without Joe Burrow. Meanwhile, the Denver Broncos, I don't think anyone had them one in three in their first four. So this is a huge game for both teams. And the Bengals have to find a way to flush the Vikings game.

Starting point is 00:02:53 But then have their best game of the season, including the first two wins of the year. They have not played great at any point this year. to this point. And I think if they're going to Denver, get a win in Denver, they're going to have to play great. They're going to have to play a complete game. And that's much, much easier said than done, especially for a team that doesn't have Joe Burrough. So the biggest storyline, can they be a functional team and somehow, some way, play their best game of the season? If they do those things, then I do think they have a chance against Denver. But as we'll break down here, there's a lot of things that need to change if that's going to have.

Starting point is 00:03:32 happen. Absolutely. I think you look at this matchup and you see the Bengals and from the Broncos fans perspective, I think you're kind of annoyed that the game that they just played against the Vikings isn't necessarily what's going to be the case on Monday night, right? You're like, oh, man, why couldn't they play like that against us? Right. That's exactly the type of game the Broncos need right now is a sort of a get right game. But I don't think the Bengals are going to just come in and lay flat. We saw the same thing with the Chicago Bears a couple of weeks ago. They allow 50, plus points to the Detroit Lions. They come out and they beat the Cowboys the next week. So week to week in the NFL, you just never know what's going to happen. But the biggest storyline

Starting point is 00:04:10 for the Broncos in this game is obviously can you avoid that tailspin? And can you take care of business against a team that's got its backup quarterback out there? You would think, James, that the Broncos just had a similar final score in week three as what the Bengals did against the Vikings, because Broncos country is absolutely in a frenzy right now over the state of the team, over the fact that there's no consistency on offense, that there's no real flow to the game. The defense has been bend, don't break, but they've been doing a little too much bending. So the biggest storyline is, can you avoid that tailspin going into the month of October? We know that Sean Payton has historically not been great in the month of September,

Starting point is 00:04:49 pretty much 500 for the course of his head coaching career. And the Broncos look like they're kind of on par with that. They don't have sort of a bread and butter offensively at this point. Bo Nix has struggled a little bit in his soft. sophomore season. So yeah, you want to avoid that tailspin going into the month of October where you feel like you've got a number of winnable games ahead of you. Yeah, I think that's why it's such a such a big game. One, can you imagine the storylines? You're talking about the story. Can you imagine the storyline that Browning goes there and wins? It's much different than a Joe Burrow doing it.

Starting point is 00:05:22 Right. And on the Bengals side, there's just so many, so many unknowns right now. Like they, cannot and have not been able to run the ball. But they're not a great passing offense right now either. And that was free Joe Burrow getting injured. They still hadn't really taken flight all the way in full form. And so this offense obviously considered a strength coming into this season. And I think the Broncos, their defense was considered a major strength coming into this season. And so I think with Jake Browning, that's a big, big task. And honestly, I'm looking at Zach Taylor. I've talked about him a lot this week, and we have on the pod. Can they find ways to jumpstart this offense? Nationally, it was all talk about the defense all offseason, and they're far from perfect.

Starting point is 00:06:16 It's not like where people in Cincinnati are banking on them to go shut down Bo Nix and Sean Peyton's offense in Denver. But they've been more steady than this office. defense. And so that's shocking, even with Jake Browning at quarterback, but that's the reality through three games. And I know it's been an unfortunate kind of theme over Joe Burroughs career. This is a third time you and I were talking off the air. This is a third time he's had a season-ending injury, which absolutely sucks because the NFL is being robbed of one of its best players. Obviously, the Bengals are in a championship window when he's out there on the field. do you feel like Jake Browning can turn things around and be sort of somebody to steady that ship?

Starting point is 00:06:59 Or do you kind of just feel like at this point, hey, Bengals fans, we kind of know what he is and we're going to have to overcome exactly that. No, he's capable. He's certainly capable. And I think that's what was so interesting about the matchup last week and their game plan and everything that went into it is it was just a snowball effect. And just when they started to figure a few things out, they couldn't hold on to the ball. and they fumbled it three straight times and the game was over. They dug themselves in a hole and then three straight fumbles and that's it. So it's a really unique scenario to happen.

Starting point is 00:07:32 Usually it doesn't happen at the NFL level, but it's a tall task. It is because you're going on the road, backup quarterback, offensive line is struggle. We'll dive into some of these matchups. And you're going to have to find a way to get to 20 plus points, I think, is a minimum expectation for this offense because of all the firepower and the the weapons and things that I think that Denver is going to deploy on the other side and that the Bengals are going to have to deal with. And so regardless of what the one and two Broncos have done at this point, I think the Bengals,

Starting point is 00:08:09 like I said, if they don't play their best game offense and defense, that seven point spread that's on Fandall, that might be easy. So they're going to have to play really, really well to have a shot. Yeah, both of these teams may have a little bit of desperation on their side here going into the Monday night matchup in the final of a double header on Monday night, which is exciting. But obviously, it's not quite the matchup that we all anticipated, but there's still going to be some marquee matchups, some things to watch in this game. We get a rematch between Riley Moss and T. Higgins, very, very highly discussed after last season's matchup. So we'll break that down as well as a number of other matchups here in this Monday night football bout. between two teams trying to finish strong in September,

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Starting point is 00:10:38 That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R-com. Wayfair, every style, every home. Denver Broncos cornerback Riley Moss has a shot at redemption against T. Higgins after getting kind of his lunch handed to him last season. And we've got some other matchups to look forward to here as the Broncos defensive front and pass rush goes up against a Cincinnati Bengals offensive line that will kind of see how they adapt after the first few weeks of this season.

Starting point is 00:11:05 But before we get into big time matchups for this Monday night football affair between the Broncos and Bengals, I want to say thank you once again to every single one of you out there that makes us your first listen of the day. Every single day, we appreciate all you everyday listeners of our respective shows. James, I want to know from you, what's your perspective on this? I know I kind of teased the the Riley Moss versus T. Higgins thing. That was such a big storyline going into last year's game between these two teams.

Starting point is 00:11:30 And then, of course, Riley did not have a good game. And that was what kind of sparked right now. Broncos country does not have faith in Riley Moss. That was the turning point for them. So I don't know, maybe we start there. Let's get your thoughts on that particular matchup, the rematch between Riley Moss and T. Higgins. Look, it is tough to,

Starting point is 00:11:49 repeat what T did in that game. I mean, he was awesome. And it was such a wild, wacky, crazy game. The Bengals were trying to stay in the playoff mix and find a way. And T was unguardedable. He used his size and his strength. And he had Joe Burrow putting the ball where only he could get it. And so that's a tough combo when you're Riley Moss in a tough situation to be in.

Starting point is 00:12:14 So what I sour on a corner for that game, No, I mean, T. Higgins is a freak. There aren't many like him. And I think that that's a matchup. The Bengals have to win. And I'm not just talking about T. The Bengals receivers in the juicier matchup for me is Jamari versus Patrick. But the Bengals receivers have to win this matchup with the Broncos secondary. They have to. And on Monday night, when this game ends, if we're saying, oh, well, the Broncos secondary beat the Bengals receivers, well, then I think we know the result of the game. If the Bengals receivers win, well, then that gives the Bengals a chance because that's where they need to have the edge, especially with Joe Burrow out. They need these weapons and these receivers to step up and be extremely productive. And maybe that is T. Higgins, mossing moss again.

Starting point is 00:13:14 That might be it. He may just be that dude. or maybe it's Jamar and Patrick Certain going back to their SEC days. And that matchup is always juicy for me and one that I personally will be paying attention to, just because I think it's number one receiver on the planet versus number one corner on the planet. And so you put your feet up, get some popcorn, and you watch them go to work. Yeah, it's really good stuff. I mean, those two guys are, like you said, the best at their positions in the NFL.

Starting point is 00:13:42 And it is must-see TV, especially when you get hands on the All-22, right? you get to watch that matchup kind of isolated there. So I think that Broncos country definitely needs to hear what you had to say about Riley Moss. I mean, you don't write a guy off after one game against a freak player out there. But Riley does get picked on a lot. That will be a matchup to watch in this game because teams target him. Obviously, you don't necessarily want to throw it at Pat Sertan, although I guess I don't know what if Daniel Jones is drinking Mike's secret stuff, you know, from Space Jam.

Starting point is 00:14:12 He was going at Pat Sertan all week two. and Pat really couldn't do much about it. I mean, it was a staggering reality check, I think, for him. So I think he'll have a bit of a chip on his shoulder the rest of the season. But certainly those two matchups big time, and you referenced it earlier, you teased it, the Bengals offensive line going up against the Denver Broncos pass rush in this game. The Broncos, Nick Benito, has been playing at the highest level that we've seen. I don't like to throw around this hyperbole because of the reverence that I have for the great

Starting point is 00:14:43 von Miller, the best defensive player in the history. of the team. But James, Nick Benito is on par with the best that we've seen from Von. If he would slap the ball out a little more. That's the only caveat there that I would say. And I don't like to go that direction. I don't like to compare guys to Von Miller. I'm not just saying that. I think what we've seen from him, the dominance. I think Joe Alt had not given up a single pressure in the first two games of the season. And then Nick Benito kind of put some teach tape out there against Joe Alt in week three. So really, really good stuff from him and special stuff that we haven't seen since Vaughn for sure, if not on par with Vaughn. So that's going to be a huge matchup to watch

Starting point is 00:15:25 in this game, the Broncos pass rush versus the Bengals O line. It's the matchup. I love cornerbacks and receivers and locked on Bengals listeners. No, I love receivers. So the Bengals are the right team for me to cover. Speaking of, well, I'll get to a guy that I really liked in the draft that just happens to be on a Denver roster coming up in just a second. But yeah, I mean, that's the matchup. It really, when you look at this Bengals offensive line, it's been the biggest topic of the week, is why this offense hasn't been able to pass, protect,

Starting point is 00:15:56 and or run block. I mean, they're the worst, they, you look at some metrics, the worst offense in the league to this point. And they need to be able to get the ground game going some so Nick Benito can't tee off on Jake Browning. And can they drop back a bunch of, with Jake Browning in general.

Starting point is 00:16:14 They're going to drop back. They're going to have to pass it. But you want to limit that some, especially with that Broncos pass rush. So that balance is huge. The Bengals have stunk when it comes to running the ball. Chase Brown, as good as he was. And you guys saw it last year.

Starting point is 00:16:28 He made plays in that Denver game. He was really good last year. Averaged under a foot per carry last week. Not a yard under a foot. He had 10 carries for three yards. 0.3 yards per carry. that's just a hair under a foot per carry, they have to get him going. And whether it's in the passing game, whether it's on the ground,

Starting point is 00:16:49 Chase Brown is going to have to be a factor. And if he is, then it will take some pressure off of this offensive front that needs to be able to run block better, needs to run block better, not be able to, needs to run block better, and is tasked with blocking a really good front for the Broncos. So, yeah, it did surprise me that you went with the Von Miller comp. maybe it shouldn't and maybe it won't after Monday if Nick Benito goes off because it wouldn't shock me and that's that's what I think is is interesting here now let me ask you this about

Starting point is 00:17:19 Nick Benito and I don't know at this stage is he moving all over is he going to line up on just one side or does he just move everywhere he does move everywhere yeah the advanced Joseph will line him up on both sides and kind of try to get matchups for him so that's what's really helpful and they've also started a little bit this season pairing him up sometimes with Jonah Ellis not just Jonah Cooper. So we're seeing Jonah Ellis out there as well, along with Nick Bonito. And I wouldn't be surprised to see all three of those guys out there on the field. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:17:47 The Broncos haven't tried that a ton at this point. I don't know the official count on that. But I wouldn't be surprised to see those three guys out there at the same time at some point. And a huge, huge thing for the Bengals in this, to your point, James, is going to be exploiting the Broncos inability to prevent teams from getting huge chunks on first down. That's been a huge problem this season. so far is you want that pass rush to be able to tee off. Well, and if you want to do that,

Starting point is 00:18:14 if you want to see the pass rush tee off, you've got to stop these teams from gaining eight, nine yards of play on every first down and get them into long down and distance on third. So to your point about the running game for the Bengals, maybe even the quick passing game from Jake Browning, get the ball out of your hands quickly, get as much as you can on first down,

Starting point is 00:18:31 and keep the Broncos on their heels defensively in those third and short situation. So that's going to be crucial in this game. Yeah, it is. I mean, that might be the ball game, is in the trenches. And Amarius Mims is coming off one of his better games at right tackle or Orlando Brown Jr. Coming off of one of his worst games at left tackle for the Bengals. In an ideal world, in most worlds, I think that the Bengals are confident in both of those guys,

Starting point is 00:18:57 but how they respond going to be huge. Obviously, there's questions at Guard and on the interior of the Bengals' offensive front. They're going to have to have their best game, not just of the season, their best game in a while, I think to keep that pass rush at bay. And then also open up holes in the run game to take pressure off of this passing game that is obviously going to be tested. There's a lot at stake on Monday night between the Broncos and the Bengals. And we're going to give our final thoughts on this game here coming up on today's crossover Thursday edition, Locked on Broncos, Locked on Bengals. This crossover Thursday episode is also presented by game time.

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Starting point is 00:21:00 we encourage you, hit subscribe and become part of our communities on lockdown Broncos and Lockdown Bengals as well. James, I want to throw it to you here, your final thoughts, maybe for this, matchup going in, maybe your gut instinct. Obviously, we talked about winning in the trenches being important. What is, what's your kind of feel for this game and the Bengals win if sort of a thing? Oh, there's, there's a few things here. The first one is they have to make sure that their offensive line has their, has the best game they've had all year. And so it can't just be,

Starting point is 00:21:34 they're really good at protecting Jake Browning because I think they need to run block at an extremely high level, and they haven't done that to this point. They've been really, really bad at it. So it's all across the board. Open up running lanes for Chase Brown, protect Jake. Because if you open up running lanes and you're protecting Jake early, well, that's going to open up some play action. That's going to give you some, it's going to take pressure off of this backup quarterback on the road, Monday night, all of the things that come with that in a not just pressure-filled environment for him, but against a team with their back against the law on the Denver Broncos. So I expect that defense to be flying around.

Starting point is 00:22:11 Number two, their wide receivers, they have to win. They have to get the better of this Denver Broncos secondary. And it doesn't have to be Jamar Chase versus Patrick Sertane. And that doesn't mean it can't be. Of course it can. And I wouldn't shy away from that. But to me, you have to find a way to get these guys going last week when things really got away. The Vikings were up 34 to 3 at

Starting point is 00:22:37 half time. So the game's over at the half. With two minutes to go in the half, Jamar Chase had two catches for three yards. T. Higgins had one catch for 15 yards. Jamar ended up with five for 50 T, that same one for 15. That cannot be the case. And if it is,

Starting point is 00:22:53 then these other weapons have to have really huge games. And I think that that's unrealistic. So there's that. And then the last thing, contain these weapons for the Broncos. And don't let Bo Nix do what he did towards the end of that game last year where he was able to, man, just the moonball, the deep ball it worked in the guy I referred to earlier in the pod, Troy Franklin. I loved him pre-draft. I don't know why the Bengals

Starting point is 00:23:18 didn't take him 80th overall. They took Jermaine Burton. Instead, they should have taken Troy Franklin. It's very clear. Do not let Troy Franklin beat you deep. I think that's a big one. Yeah, Troy Franklin had a breakout game against the Indianapolis Colts in week two and then was kind of non-existent in week three, which was really surprising to everybody because of his, I mean, it was a very concerted effort to get him the ball. I call him manufactured touches. Some people are like, what the heck does that even mean? Well, what I mean is that they're deliberately trying to get him the ball at the start of the play. It's not like a progression or things like that. I mean, you are going to Troy Franklin, get him the ball quickly, let him do his thing because

Starting point is 00:23:53 Sean Payton loves his abilities after the catch. So we'll see if he can bounce back on Monday night football after really no involvement against the Chargers. But I think the Broncos win this game if Bow Nicks plays up to the level that we've seen he's capable of, especially in these big moments. We've seen him come through at times, but the offensive overall outfit just hasn't been efficient enough for the Denver Broncos. So they really need to take that next step as an offense. And I think minimizing the mistakes, like I teased earlier, James, obviously in the NFL, you want to win the turnover battle. The Broncos won the turnover battle against the Chargers and still couldn't win because they committed 10 penalties.

Starting point is 00:24:31 You had way too many missed opportunities offensively. You would love to see this Broncos team play complimentary football for once. And I know that it's still an NFL team. You're going up against a backup quarterback. You can't write anybody off. I think the Broncos maybe a little bit of the noise preseason get to them a little bit. Maybe Sean Payton did a little too much talking, you know. So really just kind of these first three games and two losses of heartbreaking variety.

Starting point is 00:24:59 just absolutely gut-wrenching variety. I mean, that's got to humble you a little bit going into this game. You need to play with a chip on your shoulder going into this primetime matchup. So I think the Broncos win the game. If Bow Nix operates the offense efficiently and effectively, and if they minimize the mistakes here against the Bengals. Yeah, it's totally fair. And I think as a lot of these keys go, you could say the same thing.

Starting point is 00:25:24 They need Jake Browning to be efficient, not turn the ball over, which he's done, five interceptions now in just over six quarters of football, that can't be the case. Those are backbreaking plays, and he's going to be under pressure. And so how do they use their best weapons, which are the receivers and they're running back and their offensive skill players and also avoid the big swing turnover plays, huge, huge. And then on the flip side, in the Bengals two wins, they won the turnover battle and had two interceptions in each of those wins, even though they didn't play great. It goes a long way if you can find a way to intercept bow next once or twice for sure. So I think that's going to be a huge, huge factor in who wins on Monday.

Starting point is 00:26:08 Yeah, it really is. And ultimately, I think you said it best earlier. If the Broncos lose this game, I mean, the narrative is going to be really interesting, not just in terms of the local reaction, but in terms of the national reaction, because again, it's an NFL team. These guys get paid to play. They've still got great players. obviously, but if you on your home field get beat by the Bengals backup quarterback when you, like you said, got your backs up against the wall, the pressure's on, must-win situation, I mean, what would be your read on that from the outside perspective of saying, hey, I mean, shoot, like, I know it's one game. It's still early in the regular season, but this would say a lot.

Starting point is 00:26:50 I would think about the way that Sean Payton is kind of leading the team right now. Yeah, I think it would be, oh my goodness. it's wrong in Denver. And I do think that the Bengals could use that to their advantage a little bit. They could be able to play a little pressure-free and be just as motivated as Denver because they're coming off of the worst loss in franchise history. I mean, 48 to 10, it's literally the worst. They've never lost by 38. And they were down by 45 at one point, which is the largest deficit ever in a game in franchise history. So they have a ton to prove. But the, the, The Broncos are the ones I think that have the pressure because I would expect them to win.

Starting point is 00:27:32 And so is that good or bad? A lot of teams usually respond or the good teams respond well in those situations and come out with their hair on fire. So it could be awful for the Bengals in that scenario. Or maybe it's the other way and the Bengals hang in it early and weather the storm. And then that pressure really starts to set in. I don't know which way it will be. But I do think that that's going to be a factor in Monday's game. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:56 That's a really great point. I mean, obviously there's a lot at stake in this game for both of these teams. And certainly, you know, you wish that Joe Burrow was able to play in this game and the rest of the season to make it a more interesting matchup at the very least. But at the same time, we just want to see these two teams end September well. Finish September well and get to October with a little bit of momentum here in the second quarter of the season. But Broncos country, Bengals fans, appreciate you all so much for tuning in here today. And after you listen to Lockdown Broncos or Lockdown Biggles, make sure you check out Lockdown NFL,

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