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Episode Date: January 22, 2025

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It's bleach. Kevin Ostricker of Lockedon Ravens, Damien Parsons, of Locked on NFL draft. And no Bills fans, Joe is not here, but we are talking plenty about your Buffalo Bill's so stick around plus if you watch the episode on the locked on bills channel it actually still helps Joe so you can actually do Joe a solid we know you guys love Joe as much as we do so you can still do Joe a solid by sticking around here and here no Joe still are bad people probably watch no Joe still a raven so they get to poke fun at me so it's okay I'll be yeah it's a win it's so worth hanging around for uh speaking of which guys let's let's put on our fan hats here

for for a moment right every single person in this room uh got into this business because you like football or you love football to some degree, right? Nobody, I don't think anybody here woke up and said, you know what, that game that I really don't like, I'm going to dedicate my life to talking about it. So let's put on our fan hats here. Let's talk about the Bills Chiefs. How many of us in this room are Bills fans this weekend? How many are Chiefs fans this weekend?

And is it because you genuinely like the Bills or you're just sick of the Kansas City Chiefs? Peter Bukowski, you always bring the hot take. So I want to, I want to start with you. Well, I feel like now there's a lot of pressure on me to say that I'm cheering for the Chiefs, because I know everyone else is going to say that they're cheering for the bills. But I think the best thing for the NFL is for, and I said this to Kevin, I think a week ago,

I said the best thing for the NFL is for either Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen to win the Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes having an actual rival is the best thing that could happen in the NFL. And remember this happened with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, where Brady just owned that rivalry. And then Peyton Manning in the AFC championship game, one of the craziest comebacks we have ever seen. They got that. I wouldn't say the script flipped, right?

Like Brady still ultimately like, oh, Manning. But getting that, it carried them for like 10 more years of rivalries. And if Patrick Mahomes wins again and they win the Super Bowl again, it's just sort of like, I kind of feel like,

why do we even have a regular season? Because like, who cares? The chiefs kind of felt that way it seemed like for the first 8, 10 weeks of the season too. So I'm just sort of like, man, they have to serve some sort of penance for not giving a crap about the first 10 weeks of the season. And I hope Josh Allen can deliver that because I think it'd be great for the game. Yeah, Damian Parsons, I mean, your first time through here, buddy, so I want to kick this over to you pretty quick.

Is there a value? Is there, I mean, should football fans, generally speaking? I mean, obviously, Bill's fans don't want to see the Chiefs win another Super Bowl. And whoever plays the Chiefs and Super Bowl is not going to want to see them win. But general football fans, is there a value to seeing the first ever three Pete? in the Super Bowl era, is there a value to that? Somewhat, right? Because it creates more hatred for Mahomes and the Chiefs,

which it's like the Floyd Mayweather effect. Every time Floyd fought, people tuned in hoping and praying he lost. And it's going to be the exact same thing. Well, LeBron James, he was the same thing, right? When he was on his run, whether it was with the calves or with the heat, anytime he was on the championship team, even with the Lakers, when they were in the playoffs, in those big moments, people watch hoping and praying

LeBron lost hoping and praying his team did not win the NBA title so I definitely think it has some value I'm just hoping that the value does not come to fruition Yeah uh Kevin Ostracker locked on Ravens I want to throw you a very not football focus question so I really hope you get your fan hat on here should there be a side wager If the chiefs win You find you get to keep Taylor Swift on the television screen

But if the bills win Haley Steinfeld's got to get some burn here. Should there be a coverage death match happening here to where one or the other gets shown on TV, the other one disappears forever? I just feel like the NFL is always going to side with Taylor in this, and that just feels like the reality. I mean, we've seen it. Obviously, she brings eyes to the game, and not that Haley wouldn't, it doesn't, but obviously the Taylor Swift effect is very real. My eyes, I'll be honest. I got to look at it, though.

It's like if the Chiefs lose. lose, Haley replaces Taylor as the NFL, like, you know, that's who brings the eyes to the screen. But I feel like to me, people would be less inclined with the whole, like, Chiefs to repeat. This is so annoying if we didn't have the Patriots just do this for years and years and years before. It feels like we just kind of went from, okay, the Patriots dominate the league for a decade plus. And here we are now. We just went right into, like literally it was a segue. You could see the Patriots dynasty fall and the Chiefs dynasty rise up.

And there was no in between of like five years of different champions. It was right from Patriots to the Chiefs. So I feel like people are just ready for some parity. Like let's get five years of just like different championship. Maybe a team wins twice in five years and the other three are different teams. And not taking away from how great the Chief's team is. I mean, it takes a lot to go to seven straight AFC championship games. Yeah.

to me it feels like they're just like this we've seen this before it's been happening forever we want something different it is crazy that like i thought i thought we'd never see a quarterback that could do the things that aaron rogers did on the field and then mohomes is like right after him and i never thought we would see a quarterback control and win games the way that tom brady did and patrick mahomes like it he's still playing and and tom brady played for a million years but to have it happen right after like we don't see that happening like there was a gap between michael jordan and LeBron James. A pretty big gap of like when Jordan and his prime, right?

Like I know Kobe was in there too and Alan Iverson. Like there's some really great players. But there was a whole discussion of like, who's going to carry the torch? And it took, you know, until, you know, the early 2010s for LeBron to start winning titles. And so like this is really in sports. We don't see this happen. Like you don't go from Tom Brady to Patrick Mahomes. It doesn't happen.

And the fact that it is, I think Kevin's totally responsible. lot out about this. Like people are just ready for it to be open the same way that they were when the Warriors were winning all the titles. It was just sort of like it almost felt preordained. And that's not fun. Like we don't we don't want that. I don't think you hit the nail on the head, man. I think we're dealing with exhaustion of dynasties. And again, in the league that has the most parody. And I think the NFL still has the most parity of all pro sports leagues, but still you have this team constantly at the top. Landon, I do want to kick it over to you, locked on Cowboys. Tell us what happens, man.

Do you think the bills are going to pull this off? And finally, Patrick Mahomes is going to have a true rival that can actually beat him, or are we all doomed to another year of Chief's Kingdom? I hope they can pull it off because I'll tell you what, I mean, I think just from a personal side, I just think the Bills fans deserve this. I mean, I think you talk about like how long they've been long suffering and frankly, as, you know, the perpetrator of two of their Super Bowl losses,

you know, 35 years or whatever it was ago the last time we were relevant in the NFL. I think that, you know, I feel for like the kind of long suffering, I saw that commercial the other night where the guys like, and they put prosthetics on his face and he's the Bill's fan, he's young, and then he's old, he's in with his grandson. I'm like, man, they've never actually won a Super Bowl in his entire lifetime or beyond that. And it's like, it's tough. So I think from that point of view, just to see kind of a really great fan base that's kind of beloved in a, in a, you know, kind of a smaller sports venue.

I think it'd be incredible just to see. And I know that's tough for Kevin to hear it right now. But I think if he's able to look past fandom, so I think that's, that's, it's, it's, I mean, Ravens fans have a Super Bowl. In, in somewhat recent history, right? Like, like, maybe not the last handful of years, but two and 20 years. I mean, you'll take that. Yeah, you have, you have some Lombardis in your building that are older than 9-11, right? Like that's, I don't know if that's like the, the benchmark we really want to use here.

But Cody Rourke, locked on Broncos, will give you the last call on this game. Is it going to be bills or is it going to be chiefs? And keep in mind, most of the no Joe, no show people have probably already left. So we don't need to suck up the bills. Yeah, look, I think everyone's going to root for the bills just because, you know, they're not necessarily a villain, right? You look at the chiefs as like a villain right now. Everybody does. The national media, you know, certainly when we were all watching the game, even Troy Aikman,

flip the script a little bit. It was like, this is ridiculous. You know, some of the penalties that were coming up. And right now the chiefs are the villain. And I think they thrive in that role. And I think they embrace it. They love it. And the bills are this team that, you know, yeah,

there were some people that were writing them off early on in the season. And I think some people in the national media who don't really bring credibility to football discussion, like the Emmanuel Achos of the world, don't really feel like they bring value and substance to it. But the bills have a gripe. Like you look at Josh Allen, the narrative surrounding him was, well, he can't do it without a, legit wide receiver like Stefan Diggs. Well, they brought in Stefan Diggs. Things didn't go well.

They lose to Joe Burrow and the Bengals one year in the playoffs at home. There's all this conversation and drama. Josh Allen doesn't have as great of a receiving talent or crew around him, but I think he's got a more balanced team. You got a good run game with James Cook. You got Tide Johnson. You got Kincaidate in who's very talented. Amari Cooper.

He ain't the guy he used to be, but he can still produce. Keon Coleman. Kalushkern, you got a guy who, you know, you absolutely hate if you're going against. to Mack Hollets, but if he's on your team, you love him. They can punch you in the mouth. And Josh Allen against the Ravens didn't have to really use his arm to do that. It was the run game and the way that that defense is playing, Matt Milano is an absolute

piss missile. That team right now, I think everybody, Buffalo would be easy to root for against a villain like Kansas City. And luckily, we get to watch that this weekend. Yeah. Look, I'm with a lot of what you guys have said. I've been to Bill's games just as a football fan, just just living in upstate New York. I want to see football in person and a fan base is wild, man.

They definitely deserve a championship. But there's another fan base that deserves a championship. Has it had to wait as long as the Bills fans have a, or fan base has. It's the Washington Commanders fan base. And they've got a quarterback that if Josh Allen can't get the job done, they think maybe he can get the job done against Kansas City Chiefs. We'll talk about the NFC championship game coming up next on this episode of NFL squad,

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NFC championship game, the Washington commanders visiting the Philadelphia Eagles number six against number two in the NFC. And we're going to kick it back over to Kevin Ostracker, Lockdown Ravens. I know it's not the team from the DMV that you wanted to see trying to go to the big game. But you're kind of close to the situation. Quarterbacks are somewhat similar, at least athletically. So let me ask you this, Jaden Daniels, best rookie quarterback that the NFL has ever seen,

or do you think he's not quite? I think he might have the best poise of a rookie quarterback I've ever seen. I mean, this guy's face by literally nothing. And, you know, there's all these stats out of it. Obviously, Jaden being a rookie and getting to the championship game, obviously, I watched Joe Flacco do that as a rookie in Baltimore. And that was such an incredible season. And I think obviously the way, and even Mark Sanchez,

like all three of these guys handled it differently going there. But the thing that stands out to me with Jaden is that he's just calm. It doesn't matter the stakes. Doesn't matter the pressure. I mean, that's why the commanders are where they are right now is because some rookie quarterbacks hold under that pressure, you know, and we've seen that over the course of a lot. But to me, this team, the commanders, they go as Jaden Daniels goes, right? This is what it is.

And if Jaden isn't that calm, cool, and collected, and look, what do we got, Cody, go? What do we? We got the VR? training because that's the Janie. Yeah. Look at that. Maybe Jayden actually starts a trend here. Maybe Jaden is a trend center. I think he won't be in certain aspects. But this commander's team, their voice comes from Jaden.

And that's what I love about his game and what we've seen from him so far. Yeah. I mean, the truth be told, man, look, if the Chiefs can beat the bills, Jaden's the only, the only option here to be a quarterback that's going to defeat Patrick Mahomes. Can I ask Damien? Yeah, go for it. Get Damien to chime in because. I don't get to ask him about other.

I have a month to talk about the Packers players, but I don't get to ask him about other guys. Damien, I was a Jane Daniels guy in the pre-draft. I thought he was the best quarterback in the draft. He was the guy that in the middle of the year, when the Packers were not great in 23, I was like, Jayden Daniels is the guy that I wanted Green Bay to draft.

What did people miss about that? Because it didn't feel like there was the heat for him to be this. Like people liked him. I know he went number two overall, But like all of the heat was on Caleb and then it was like, oh, Drake May's underrated. It seems like everyone missed this. Why do you think that is? A lot of times the age thing, the how long guys playing college football, that is such a,

and it's honestly a big thing in college basketball as well where they hold it against guys. If you're a basketball player, you state to you're a senior, you're not any good. We shouldn't draft you in the lottery. It's the same thing with the NFL, especially a quarterback. And for him, there's a lot of misnomer that, hey, he won't make those. those throws in the middle of the field, which is where NFL quarterbacks need to live and thrive. And we've seen it in his rookie year. He's been able to do that.

I talked to an LSU, someone who worked with him and worked at LSU on the coaching staff before he left after the draft. And I asked him to tell me about Jaden. He said, he's one of the coolest, calmest collective guys I've ever been around. The main thing he drilled to me was self-awareness. He said he's very self-aware. If he makes a mistake on the field, he runs to, he comes to the side, and the first thing he says to him, I messed that up.

I messed it up, didn't I? He was like, yeah. He said, okay, then they look at what happened and they go out and he corrects those mistakes. To watch him play the way he plays, I think the frame also, people say took those cartoon hits in college, right? Like, where you just see him get hit. People forget Lamar Jackson did that too. I think if you go back and watch Lamar Jackson in Louisville, he's taking hit.

Like, I went back and found it in my draft notes. I was like, what is he doing? Like, you're 190 pounds. What are you doing? He has improved on that. by the way. And you know what? Jayton has two, actually, in one year. He's actually, he's gotten better than as well.

The first thing is Jane Daniels did it right away. He like walked into the NFL and is just like, no, I can avoid hits now. It's like, well, then why didn't you do it for two years? I would just like, what, his football IQ is through the roof because if he sees what he wants pre-snap, he identifies what you're in, you're done, essentially. Because he's one of those quarterbacks. He played a lot of football. He's very decisive and he knows how to find the mismatches.

That's a key part of playing quarterback, and he does that at a great level. Yeah, look, I'll tell you guys, leaving Indianapolis last year, every single person on the commander's beat that was in Indianapolis, I can tell you without a doubt, every single one of us was, Jayden's quarterback number one, and we were all just praying the Chicago Bears didn't realize it. And I know there were multiple members of Chicago media that were in Indianapolis who were praying that the bears realized that they, I don't say make a mistake. That's not fair to Caleb, right? But like, in the aspect of getting the best quarterback in the draft, that's where a lot of people were. We do need to talk Philadelphia Eagles. As much as I would love for this is just be a Jaden Daniels. Let me get to the Eagles.

Real quick, Peter. We'll come back to your question. I won't forget, I promise. We do need to talk about the Eagles, and I want to go to Landon McCool here because you obviously know both of these teams. Is Sequin Barkley going to be enough to get the Eagles past the commanders

or are the commanders going to be the team in the Super Bowl? Because Seekwon, if you look at the stat box, had a lot of stats in both games against the Washington commanders. But in that first game, commander's held a fourth quarter, lead in the last game, obviously the commanders won that game. So both of those situations proved that Sequan by himself, not necessarily going to get the job done himself.

What do you think is going to happen this weekend? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good question. I mean, I think, you know, they've had to work around Jalen Hertz even more this playoff, these playoffs than it seems like in the recent past. And it's worked. I mean, obviously they've won, they've gotten as far as they have. I do wonder, you know, just watching Washington, their ability to be able to slow down, you know, Seekwan.

I mean, I think that's a major concern is that Jaden Daniels and is as excited as everyone is about Jaden Daniels. He may not have a ton of opportunity in this game if Eagles are able to possess the ball the way that I'm assuming they're going to, especially with the way that the Eagles play defense, not just the volume of the efficiency that they play, but the actual X's and O's of the way that they play defense, they're going to slow things down. And it's going to, I think, try to get eyes on Jaden Daniels and try to just slow things down to a grind. And if they can get that, I think that's going to play right into the Eagles hand. So if that's the case, I think they're going to, you're going to see a lot of Sequin Barclay.

And until Dan Quink can figure out a way to kind of load up the box to kind of get that going, then we'll see if they can stop Jalen Hertz and the kind of design past plays when he's got his outside receivers in one-on-one situations. Yeah, 100%. Peter, go ahead. I was just going to ask, I wanted to know from the group because we're probably not going to talk about the coaching stuff. Ben Johnson to the Chicago Bears. We are going to talk about the coaching stuff.

Okay, but he had the opportunity to go to Washington last year. Do you think in retrospect, whether he was going to pick Jaden or not, he thinks that that was, given what we've seen of Jane Daniels and Caleb Williams, all due respect to Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels was one of the five best quarterbacks in the league this year. I think someone was on the squad show saying he was the best quarterback in the NFC. I can't remember who that was. But do you think he regrets not taking this? that job in Washington a year ago.

Maybe. I mean, it's tough because, you know, there's still some uncertainty. It was an organization that was going through widespread changes and transitions of ownership, you know, for a coach, and especially for guys, going to be a first time head coach, are you going to a place where they're going to fulfill their promises? And certainly, ownership groups have we seen can be the negative side of an NFL team, having the right ownership in place that actually can help you. And I think that they've proven so far, it's been good.

but for Ben Johnson, maybe at the time, it was a little risky, considering the unknowns. I don't tell you, I don't think Ben Johnson should regret anything. And the reason I'll say that is the reason this fell apart between Ben Johnson and the commanders is not because of anything. It's because of philosophical reasons, right? So the Washington,

so Josh Harris went out and hired Adam Peters. He and Adam Peters had a very clear, and they were very much in agreement with how they wanted the Washington commanders team to be. Like, what is it going to be to be a Washington commander? He and Adam Peters had a very clear agreement on what that was going to be. And they sought out a coach that agreed with what that was going to be. Ben Johnson didn't agree with Adam Peters and Josh Harris' vision of what a Washington commander's team was going to look like.

Therefore, that's why things fell apart. And they found the guy and Dan Quinn who does see that. So I don't think, I think it comes down to coaches and teams and GMs and everybody involved having, being on the same page. I think it's incredibly important because truthfully, if Ben wasn't willing to come off some of the things that he wasn't win come off of. I don't think Adam Peters is going to hire him anyway. So it kind of actually saves him a little bit of faces. You can't go from being the number one target, having a plane flown privately to your location to not getting the job. That makes you look a lot worse than you bowing out of the race. So I think that honestly, he probably made the right decision for him

if those are some of the sticking points that were there. But we are going to talk more about these coaching journeys, but I do need to get two predictions here. Cody Rourke, locked on Broncos, Damien, locked on NFL draft. I need to know who's winning commanders or Eagles this weekend. And Damien, we'll start with you. I'm going commanders, man. I'm a big JD5 fan. I'm just pulling for him, man. No disrespect to Philly.

I love Sequan, actually. Some disrespect to Philly. Some disrespect to Philly. If I was landing, well, it'll be 100% disrespectful to Philly. A little disrespect to Philly. But I'm going JD5. I'm going with the commanders, man. Let's go.

I'm going to go with the commanders in the upset. Look, I think the Eagles, I think Seekwan's going to get his. The biggest wildcard that will determine one or not the Eagles win or lose, I think it's all going to come down to Jalen Hertz in this game, to be honest with you. But Sequin, obviously a dog. I mean, I think the formula, and we can talk about it later on for some of these teams who are, you know, perennial play or on the outside looking and trying to get to the last what they could do to replicate what we've seen. But I think Jaden Daniels is the commanders, that that story, things can be commanders versus bills in the Super Bowl.

That's, I mean, that's the match up all the other fans want and I'm all for it. Because, you know, don't, don't thread me. Won't cover it in a Super Bowl. I'm all for it after we got. Look, we don't have to worry about offending Eagles fans because I hear down or up in Philly, they say no Louie, no Vuey. So they're not here anyway. We're going to talk about the NFL coaching carousel next here on Locked On's NFL squad as part of the Locktown podcast network with our team every day. Today's episode is brought to you in part by Talk Space Therapy is a game changer. It can help manage stress, improve sleep and communicate more effectively.

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big game. But Commander's Bill's who wins that Super Bowl. We'll start with Cody and we'll just go around the horn. You know, hey, great for a rookie quarterback and obviously, you know, a new head coach in their first year together to get to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, Josh down the Buffalo bills are the team of destiny and we'll finally get that Super Bowl win that has been alluding them for quite some time. And then it really changes the conversation. But it also sets the stage for the young guys like Jaden, Daniels, maybe Bone Knicks, maybe some other guys, Jordan Love, like the young quarterbacks, the NFL's in a good spot, I think, going forward.

But Josh Allen's going to run away with it at this point. Landon, you're next. Bill's just simply because I can't take it anymore. I couldn't take that. You can't do this. Fair. Bill's. I think Josh Allen, I think he gets it done. He puts, he steps into the phone booth, puts the cape on, takes off the glasses, throws away the briefcase. Superman comes out. He has a heroic type of game on the biggest stage of them all. And he go ahead and submit himself as one of the best ever. I'm going to go, Bill's also. You know, they're a heck of a team. And I think that they've improved in a lot of areas over the course of the season. And I know that everyone,

and thought trading away digs would have a negative impact, but actually has opened up their offense a lot more. And I just feel like looking from, if you want to talk about it, I feel, you know, listening to the champs, it's okay.

If you lose it the champs, you take that. So I'll go, I'll go bills. This is boring. I'm going to go, I'm going to go commanders, then.

Forget that. Like, I'm going to take Jane Daniels. Like, give me Daniels. The Buffalo Bill is just won a football game where Josh Allen did not even get to 150 yards passing. He didn't get to 130.

It is, it is one of those things. where Jaden Daniels, what I saw in Detroit, I know that defense was just like beyond fumes. Like they were getting out and they were pushing the car to the gas station. They had the six of us out there. But the poise that he played with, the dual threat ability that he has,

I just think he had like I think he can be the kind of guy that puts on the Superman cape and just says, I'm going to do something historic here. I think the way that you're playing in the playoffs matters so much. And nothing drives offensive success, offensive efficiency like quarterback play. The quarterback playing the best football right now. And really for like the last month is Jane Daniels.

Go back and watch what he did against the Philadelphia Eagles three weeks ago. He lit them up. No one has done what Jane Daniels did against the Eagles since October. He is that guy. And if he's going to be that guy, why not put your stamp on it? Go in the Super Bowl as a rookie. I don't think we've ever seen anything like this before. So why not make it fully historic?

Him do something we've never seen. Yeah. Landon, that's a bigger flex if Marcus Marriota doesn't come in after halftime and torts the guy with defense. Well, I don't know. Actually,

I think it's a better, bigger comment on maybe Jaden Daniels not being as spectacular. That's not true. That's not true. Oh, come on. Where's the James Rapin clip from earlier in the year? So Sammy Baugh. is the only quarterback in history, in pro football history,

to have a championship win as a rookie, of course, for Washington. So Jane Daniels winning a Super Bowl as a rookie would just add to that kind of lineage there. And listen, for those who are fans of the NFL being as scripted, Jane Daniels being beaten Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs in the Super Bowl is actually the way to go. Because the way that probably goes is the Chiefs have 10 penalties called against them while the commanders have less than five. And then next year, the commanders visit the Chiefs. Obviously, it wouldn't be week one because the commanders will get a home game.

in week one, but eventually they visit Kansas City and this quote unquote rivalry that we're trying to figure out for Patrick Mahomes could potentially be born if everything is scripted. We do have to get to the coaching searches. The notes here say head coaches, defensive coordinators, offensive coordinators, and whatever. So Landon McCool, clearly the whatever is for you. What's going on with the Dallas Cowboys?

I think whatever sums it up pretty good. I mean, they're just taking their time at this point and trying to do whatever they can to get into the news cycle. You know, I mean, I, you know, they had an interview with, with Brian Schottenheimer who wasn't even, you know, calling plays for them last year. And now he's going to be the head coach. I don't think so. I just think that they're trying to, you know, insert themselves into the conversation. Their two most hated rivals are two of their most hated rivals are in the conference championship game.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned that, by the way. And so, you know, Jerry Jones is, is hurting because Cowboys fans are screaming and yelling. And, you know, so that's why you're hearing your names like Dion Sanders, despite the fact that Deion Sanders isn't getting it hasn't gotten an official interview. You know, Brian Schottenheimer is probably being interviewed for an office of coordinator job, depending on who the actual head coach is. But you're hearing all about it in the news because Jerry is trying to keep, you know, the organ grinder, right?

Keep it grinding. And so that's what you're saying. So I think we're going to have an answer in probably, you know, a week or so maybe, or depending on, you know, who, loses in this next these next round i think that's that he definitely wants to talk to kellem more maybe even cliff kingsbury so and i'm hoping joe brady if joe brady you know where to fall out of the playoffs for some reason so uh but i think they're just kind of trying to keep their name in people's mouths for jerry jones has not requested interview billy bob thornton or john ham yet not yet i mean listen

uh he he he is taking he is giving lessons on acting if anyone needs him uh we'll say that was pretty true yeah jami and parson locked on the NFL draft which of these i want to say open jobs but we'll include you know the chicago bears the new english patriots even though they've hired their new coaches which these teams that's going to have a new head coach this offseason has the best draft assets to really make a move like the washington commanders did this year or the houston texans a year before i think it's the patriots you know being what they have the fourth pick hiring rable and bringing in um josh mcdaniels you have your quarterback. Now you can go in the litany of ways, whether it's Travis Hunter,

a Mason Graham, Abdul Carter, you can grab one of these blue chip prospects and improve your team right away. Travis Hunter being that dual threat, that just athlete. We haven't seen a guy like that way that has that tag. Typically guys come out of high school have that tag. Where they, I play wide receiver and I play corner. It's up to you, coach, to figure out which one I'm going to play. This guy can come in and play both. And I think honestly, when you look at that Patriots receiving core, I might like. lean for him to play wide receiver. So for a team that,

for them to be in a position they're in, and you don't trade if you, I mean, of course, if a team tricked themselves with that whole QB thing, like I want to reach for the third best quarterback that I can get them to do.

Like, if they want to reach up and try and move up to four, cool. But if I'm the wingerland, I'm staying right where I am. I'm picking one of the top players off the board. Let's go ahead and inject this team with some talent. yeah no i absolutely hear you um peter rikowski well you know what first actually before we get to that

i want to go to cordy roerick what do you think about the new england of patrists doing this back to future back to the future act what do you think what do you think about what you think about i think i'm gonna be great for that culture there in terms that i know gerard mayo tried to instill it and look i still think that the patrons the way they went about with gerard mayo i didn't like it i mean obviously they had a guy in mine already in brable which i found it a little interesting because dan erlovsky early on in the year said hey don't worry braves already got something lined up with things continue to go poorly in one destination. Everyone already thought New England turned out that way.

I don't agree with how they did it. But I mean, Vrable makes sense for that job. And then now you go and you bring in Josh McDaniel. He needs to bring him back. What's next? Tom Brady are you going to come out of retirement and play quarterback again? I mean, it's certainly in the stars here. I think New England's probably an appealing job because, and obviously,

Vrable, that's the reason he took it. You're going to have a lot of salary cap space. You're going to have good draft capital work with you're in a good position to add a playmaker here. And you saw from Drake, man, or, you know, we've had Mike debate say, get Drake made some playmakers. This is the opportunity to do that.

Is it still going to be enough right now to compete with the Buffalo Bills? Probably not. And look, but maybe they can climb up ahead of the Jets and they can climb up ahead of the Miami Dolphins. But that's the job I'm very curious to see. But can we also maybe talk about the most unappealing job? Look, I understand you only have 32 of them every year. No. But it's rarely open up.

The New York Jets job has to be one of the most. unappealing jobs to take if I'm any potential coach. Well, I want to, I want to let me pause you there, Cody, because actually that's what I want to ask Peter Prakowski about because Peter, the smoke around that jet's job is Aaron Glenn, Lance Newmark, two, well, one, former lion currently commander for Howard Long that's going to last. And then one soon to be former lion. What do you think of that tandem from what you know about what they did in Detroit

or help, you know, be a part of in Detroit? What do you think about that tandem going to New Jersey? I, I think Aaron Glenn is a hell of a coach. Matt Derry and I had a running bit about future head coach Aaron Glenn because for like two or three years he was tied as a future head coach and I kept watching those defenses going these defenses suck like what are we talking about here and then this last year oddly enough with like you know it is the proverbial making chicken salad out of chicken something else and like what they were able to do for long stretches without their best players with you know like somehow 15 of their 11 starters were injured. and it was just sort of like a crazy phenomenon there. And everyone you talk to in Detroit raves about him from the players to the coaches to like, you know, the parking attendants. Like everyone just loves Aaron Glenn, the Saints.

You know, Ross Jackson, our guy would like would love Aaron Glenn in New Orleans. So I really like that pairing in New York. And like the Jets have to be thanking their lucky stars that Aaron Glenn played in New York. Otherwise, I don't know why he would want that job. over any other opportunity that he would get. They don't have a quarterback. There's no way Aaron Rogers is coming back. You've got to deal with Woody Johnson, senior.

You've got to deal with Woody Johnson, the juniors. It doesn't matter what their names are. Don't even tell me what their names are. It doesn't matter. And they have 17-year-olds in the front office meetings. What are we talking about? It is a disaster area. And I don't know why anyone would want to go.

Like, they are some, like my son's favorite song still, even though we're past Christmas is Grinch. I don't know why. you'd want to go near that job with a 39 and a half put pole. I just, it's toxic. Yeah, as long as that ownership situation, as far as like how involved the ownership is, I should say,

stays the same. I don't know how anybody can be successful in that position. So to Cody's point, I like Lance a lot. I've gotten to know him just a little bit here as the assistant GM for the commanders this year. Great dude, cool dude, really enjoyed him. If he takes that job, buddy, good luck to you.

I'll be rooting for you, but I don't know if it's going to go very well. Kevin Ostrecker, I want to finish up this week's episode talking to you, which of these open jobs? So no bears, no Patriots. Which are these open jobs would you take if you had your choice? I'm going to go.

You can't fire Harbaugh. Well, that's not happening anyway. I'm going to go maybe off the grain a little bit. I'm going to say Las Vegas. I'm going to say Las Vegas. And the reason is I think there's a lot of room to grow there. I think that there's a lot of you can shape that team the way. Like you're right, the Jets, that's just going to be someone else's decision.

Like there's always going to be someone who's over top of you. The Jaguar's job, Trevor Lawrence is that quarterback. And, you know, you don't get your choice there. I think that fresh slate. Like you get to choose who comes in. You get to choose what direction you go in. Do you want to swing big at a quarterback here? Do you want to maybe wait a year or two?

Do you want to beef up your defense? I think that with the bear's job being gone, with the Patriots job being gone, I just feel like a blank canvas is honestly what I'd want to sign up for at this point. as opposed to maybe a team that has a couple more good assets, but there's not as much flexibility. Is that going to be the coaches? Johnson will tell you at Chicago is where he always wanted to be because they just gave him $17 million a year to do that job.

But I heard from multiple people that were very close to that situation that said that Ben Johnson was close to signing in Las Vegas, that they had cleared the decks for him. The Tom Telesco firing was part of clearing the decks for Ben, Ben Johnson and that the people in Las Vegas talk talk to your boy Q. I know that he's all over this. They are pissed at the way this went down because they thought this was not not a done deal because it's never done until the names at the bottom of the contract, but they thought this was happening. And I had I had someone who knows a lot of things say that they wonder if

there was a little bit of panic post Jaden Daniels, post Jared Gough, after that playoff game, that he was all set to go to Las Vegas and then he was like, oh, no, I just watched what happened with Jared Gop. I need to have a different quarterback plan here. I need to find a more creative opportunity and that that's what sold him on Chicago. That is just someone speculating, but someone who knows, you know, that they know a lot. So it's just, it was one of those things that when they said that, I kind of stood up and took notice. I'm just going to say this right now, and I don't mean any of respect to him, but the more I hear about Ben Johnson's decision-making process,

the map here I am that he's on in Washington. Have you noticed we've we've heard an awful lot about what he thinks and what he wants and like on the record way more than we've ever heard from like a hot offensive coordinator name. Like it just seems weird to me. A year and a half ago what he wanted out of a head coaching job. It's like you have a job, bro. What are what are you doing? Cowboys fans are livid that Ben Johnson is not part of that process. And I was like, but look what he's asking for.

There's in no way would the Joneses ever give that up to anyone. I understand the Joneses may not be the model of how you should be running a franchise, but I cannot believe that more people weren't pushing back on what he was asking for. Like personnel control when you're a first time head coach and your play calling, like that's a lot. When has that ever worked? Can you point to me? Yeah, I look.

I'm not going to pretend that I was like Dan Quinn number one from the jump because I wasn't, but I'm also not going to sit here and say I was Ben Johnson number one throughout any stage of that process. Well, obviously I'm very happy with the way that turned out, very happy the way that this NFL squad episode turned out as well. So thank you to all these illustrious hosts for joining for all of you out there, Bill's Mafia, especially who are still here hanging out to hand to this episode for watching. We will be here every single week. And of course, each of us is here for you every single day, bringing you the latest on your

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