Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Orlando Brown Jr. BREAKS DOWN Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Line, Talks Under Center Offense

Starting point is 00:00:00 Orlando Brown Jr. knows his teammates well. So let's get into the strengths of the Bengals offensive line with Orlando Brown Jr. In part two now. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Locked on Bengals podcast. He's Joe Goodberry. I'm Jake.

Starting point is 00:00:30 Let's go. We are your host of Locked on Bengals today, getting into part two. with Orlando Brown Jr. The Bengals starting left tackle as we're going to talk first about what makes his teammates great. The strengths of the rest of the starters on the offensive line.

Starting point is 00:00:45 We've got a bunch of fun topics to get to today, including the Bengals scheme changes that may or may not be coming, getting under center, the benefits there, and some fun stories at the end of the show with Orlando as well. We're going to get to all of that in today's episode, sponsored by Kalshi, for a limited time

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Starting point is 00:01:19 I'm glad you brought up the timing aspect of the footwork and all that, because I don't think people really understand that if they're just watching a guy get beat. I mean, like the defensive linemen, the pass rushers, are almost counting your steps on when they want to make that move. When you get the timing and the dance of the two of it is so big. It's one of the things I think Dalton Reisner is tremendous at, right? It is his footwork and timing and past protection.

Starting point is 00:01:42 If you were to, let's say, speaking of that, give me like, if you were reading a scouting report or if you were writing a scouting report and you were writing it on the other four linemen that you have with you out there, what would be the one strength that's at the very top for each guy starting left to right? Yeah, man. I think, wow, I really think, you know, and I say this confidently, man. Man, I really feel like we got the best pass protection unit in the NFL. There isn't a lot of groups that, you know, I think could come do what we do on a week-to-week basis

Starting point is 00:02:15 and have the success that we've had, man, especially with the circumstances. You know, as you guys know, pass protection is the hardest thing to do in the sport, in my opinion, probably outside of a few other things like playing quarterback and man-to-man coverage at corner outside. But the glaring mistakes as an offensive lineman are always massive, you know, compared to other positions because, you know, the quarterback is normally the moneymaker and the most important guy on the team. But our unit is so strong in past protection, man. And I think Dylan's best game is his greatest strength is probably his ability to, I'm going to say wrestle a guy. but that's not necessarily fair. But to wrestle a guy, you know, the ability to recover in a bad position to be able to win with,

Starting point is 00:03:09 you know, some of not always the best technique. You know, that's really, really, really rare some of his wins where, you know, you see reps against him and Cam Hayward one-on-one and slides away. And, you know, he's able to, you know, bear wrestle him. That is, I mean, a true feat. Got to be his core strength, right? Like, he says that he's really, he can torque and regain his hips and get back where he needs to be.

Starting point is 00:03:33 Yeah, yeah, he has great core strength. You know, he wrestled a lot growing up, man, and he was a great wrestler in the state of Georgia. So he just got tremendous feel for body lean and how to approach those kind of things. But to me, his greatest strength is being able to recover and wrestle guys. For Ted, man, I mean, you know,

Starting point is 00:03:51 there's so many different things that stick out for him as long as he's been doing it. But, you know, for us, I would say his greatest strength is really just being able to help everyone get on the same page, man. You know, I mean, as a player, he's got so many strengths. But to me, that's probably the strongest one for us, for our unit, just being able to help everybody get on the same page. He is so important for what we do in setting up, you know, fronts and slides and being able to understand where the games are coming from and all those different things. And

Starting point is 00:04:25 I consider myself a student at a game. But the things that Ted's able to see from the center position man is really unique and and one of the smartest guys I've ever played with. Um, for, for Dalton, man, I, I, as you mentioned, I think his, his great strength is his footwork. You know, he's got a really, really unique set in a way, uh, with, with the way that, you know, he is able to lean without leaning and throw his hands without falling. Uh, and for as quick as his feet are, you know, he always seems to be balanced, which is, you know, an incredible combination, man. speaks to his coordination and genetics. But, um, You know, he's got incredible footwork.

Starting point is 00:05:02 I really, really admire his footwork, man, and foot quickness, especially. And then for Mims, I think his greatest strength, man, is his hands. You know, he's got, he has an incredible feel for how to use them. And, you know, I think his bread and butter is probably centered around being able to grab a guy. But he's developed, especially over these last two years, being able to punch when he needs to. And, you know, some guys, every guy, everybody is different. You know, I'm a big puncher. I'll grab second, but, you know, he sometimes, a lot of times he may grab first and he wins a lot

Starting point is 00:05:37 of reps doing that. But for the times that he can, you know, he's developed an ability to fill and push and punch a guy. And so to me, I think his hands is probably his greatest strength that he's really, really developed over the last few years. We're really excited for the offensive line of the whole this year. But Amarius being one of those young guys, Dylan Fairchild being one of those young guys, Amarius in particular really coming on.

Starting point is 00:05:59 So us on the outside in the second half of last season, we saw the gradual improvement into what turned into a pretty dominant finish for him. Was there like a lightball moment for Amarius for you watching in the same room? Or do you think it was more of a gradual improvement over the course of the season that kind of came together? Yeah, no, man. I think, you know, we kind of saw early in OTAs last year. And, you know, I could see the growth that came there from his. offseason training and then going into the season, I would say probably that Minnesota game, man, when everybody else was struggling and, you know, he was shining, I think he began to take

Starting point is 00:06:41 strides, take strides there. And he didn't necessarily have the game he wanted to against Denver, but it was a big learning point for him, man, and he was able to truly grow from that. And I think a lot changed for him after that game being able to understand, you know, sometimes, and I've been there before as a player. Sometimes, you know, you learn a lot from being in that vulnerable position as a tackle. And that was a really vulnerable game. Honestly, for the both of us, man. It was, it was tough being on the road there in Denver going against those guys that are jumping to snap and we're on silent counting on this loud. It was a lot, a lot of going on. A lot going on. And so that was a big, big learning point for him. And I think from there, man, he just began

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Starting point is 00:08:31 One last time, Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms of conditions apply. If you need to hire, this is a job for Indeed, sponsored jobs. Man, you are getting a lot of Bengals fans excited when you talk about Emerius Mims and that outside and that development. And you said, we think we're the best past. blocking unit in the league like man people are still sleeping i'm going to be honest with you like i know you're online you must see these rankings or people's opinions i'm sure you're trying to block out

Starting point is 00:08:55 the best you can but what you guys did i would say to me after the viking's game week three last year after that and then we had the broncos game it is what it is but you know from that point i thought you guys started to look much better not just in pass protection i think all the numbers say that but the run game too what it looked like at that point that first month And then to the end of the season, everything seemed to blossom. You guys got progressively better throughout. What do you attribute to that to? You kind of talked about how like when the strike zone came in or that's like a whole new thing to learn.

Starting point is 00:09:30 Was that a big adjustment or was it just getting everyone together and finally buying in and working on the same page? Yeah, man. You know, they're online and really media period over the course of NFL. there has been a lot of opinions. And that is part of the sport. That's part of what makes American football so great is opinions and other people's perspective because there's always, in a weird way,

Starting point is 00:09:58 something to learn from everybody. And I think it's important also to keep perspective when talking about football, man, because even some of your greatest players, like I think of even Jamar Chase in the preseason, I remember a ton of posts to people talking about him, dropping the ball and all this stuff because, you know, the reality is, uh, it's always important to keep perspective, you know, for whatever reason, like we don't know, for all you know,

Starting point is 00:10:23 his pinky could have been messed up in the month of August. Like, you know, something as simple is that. Uh, for us, uh, we were learning, uh, mid zone. And last year was our first year of implementing mid zone. And we have been running a ton of wide zone and inside zone and gap schemes, but we hadn't done mid-zone as a unit. And man, we had to, it took time to be able for our backs, for the group up front, hell, I even think for Coach Pitch and Zach to be able to understand how to call it throughout the course of a game because it was different from what we had ever done. And so there was somewhat of a little bit of a learning curve for us with the way that we had

Starting point is 00:11:10 to the techniques and the way that linebackers fit and the timing and the rhythm of the run game, we had to learn that as a unit. And so it took a little bit of time, man. And I think the thing is, Coach Taylor, man, coach pitcher, they were so strong and really consistent on calling it and giving it time and allowing Chase to kind of get that feel as well. And so once we began to play a lot more physical, I think a lot of things. things also began to open up. But to be able to play physical,

Starting point is 00:11:44 you got to kind of you got to kind of had a confidence to know what you're doing and how guys are going to play. And so I think that turning point for us in the run game probably was somewhere around that Green Bay, Detroit, like somewhere around that when a flat kind of came in, maybe just before that man, being able to kind of put it all together and understand how the timing of our double teams, when guys are going to have to come off,

Starting point is 00:12:07 how we're going to do it and all that different stuff. And so what it's really allowed all of us to do is come off the ball. And it's funny because something as simple is that being able to just run off the ball on a double team and turn and, you know, drive a detackle a few yards and Dillon be able to throw them over. It took a little bit of time to be able to have had a confidence to be able to do that, man. And, you know, that's just kind of part of the sport, especially when you're learning a new concept in the run game, which is, you know, the mid-zone concept, a lot of NFL. teams do it now. But it was something we didn't implement until last year. And granted, we spent April to September and training camp and all those different things doing it. But you know, you got to do it in games to be able to fully commit and understand. Is that more of what it is,

Starting point is 00:12:57 is just getting the reps and getting it under your belt more than it is like an in-season adjustment, more than it is something that you're changing along the course of the season. It's just getting the reps under your belt, or is it both of those things where maybe there's also during the by week something you notice and you make a big change in terms of like the way you're coming off the ball and certain runs with something like that? It's all of it, man. I think it's honestly all of it. You know, it's funny because, you know, and I think you touched on a joke, like in college,

Starting point is 00:13:31 like there's spring ball, your training camp in the summer. like there's a lot of there's a lot of full padded practices in college and so you have a lot more time you got a lot more reps to develop on the NFL level especially as an offense alignment it's it's not a ton of time to develop you know like in the way that we run things as an organization we don't do full padded practices in May and June nobody does that anymore in an NFL and so that's why you see a lot of offense alignment struggle to develop. in this league because it's not set up to to develop anymore, you know, as opposed to when my dad was playing and they would be in, you know, pads and helmets during that time period.

Starting point is 00:14:14 And so it's, yeah, exactly, like in, in the month of May and June. And so it's not, what, like a week of padded practice, a little bit more than that, but it's not much. Yeah, exactly. And so it's not, it's not designed to develop offense alignment. You know, you got X amount of days in training camp and full padded practices. And there's so many other things that you're battling and so many other things you've got to get prepared for as a young old lineman that, you know, it just takes time to develop that. And so for an NFL pro, the time to develop is on Sundays. And, you know, that goes for all of us, man. I think no matter what you do in practice, it's always great. And I take an incredible approach to practice, especially as I've gotten older, but most of your development

Starting point is 00:15:03 as a younger player, and even as an older player, being able to develop that field for midzone and how to fit a double team, that comes on Sundays, man. I think a lot of it is just being able to grow week to week and not taking steps back and being able to bookmark mistakes and, you know, wins and losses and being able to apply that to your game in the following week. I love that you said that pitch and Zach just kept calling the mid zone until you guys got it right, basically, right? Sometimes you need that, like you said, you need that time on task. You're not as confident in the beginning, but you will get there, the more we call it, the more we run it.

Starting point is 00:15:39 And then if we have some success. But I do find it interesting that, like, we always see the miced up moments of like the offense cornered air, the play caller, going to the quarterback. Like, what do you like here on third down or the receiver? Well, you know, how do we get this guy to the ball? They're always worried about the quarterback, the receivers, the weapons. So they ever approach the offensive linemen and say, hey, what do you guys want to do right here? Yeah, well, you know, I've seen the growth since I've been here, man. You know, they really do now.

Starting point is 00:16:05 You know, they've really, they've really like grown to that level of being able to talk to us up front and say, hey, what do you guys see and what are you guys feeling? You know, we got a lot of quarterback minds in our building. And not everybody has a ton of, I guess, perspective and understanding all the way. of the trenches, but that knowledge has grown so much in the last two years since I've been here, just them being able to understand just the approach and the battle of the trenches, man. And I give a ton of credit to pitching Zach and honestly all our coaches, man, just being able to understand and fully embrace that to help take their style of calling a game to the next level. And it's really opened up a lot of things for us offensively because

Starting point is 00:16:55 with them being able to understand what we're doing on a whole other level and a more a more deeper intellectual level it just has opened up so much for you know joey b jammar t chase brown uh you know the the the comfortability that they have calling a run on second and i mean like those type of things man uh have really really really helped our our offense man and and our system broke one of the things that has been a hot topic that I want to get your perspective on as an offensive lineman who's past setting 50 times a game is getting under center running the ball under center developing that play action game under center some people see it as a silver bullet they just want to see those play action

Starting point is 00:17:41 crossers every single play puk and akua going across the field and a ram's offense from your point of view in in the bengal's offense what you guys are really good at what what's a big difference that happens when you get under center and start getting to those play action plays and running the ball under center. And is it something that, again, like talking about the quarterback minds versus the trench mindset, that do you see a difference there in the way that there may be is some benefit to getting under center more? Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:13 I mean, I think the proof is in the putting with it, too, just in terms of the history of the game, if we're taking it back as far as we can go, man. It's a few things that under center, just being under center period, whether it's drop back pass, run, or play action, it makes a defense have to play you honest. And when a quarterback is under center, it's not really a ton of tails formationally that are going to, especially on a pro level that are going to be tipping run or pass. And so it just brings so many different benefits, man, to our system that, a lot of people, it's really hard, already hard to prepare for us because of what we can do in the

Starting point is 00:18:58 past game. But if being under center just brings an extra element of just dominance, man, it allows people to play you more honest. And if you go back and look at some of our bigger past plays, I think about when Flack kind of took over there in Green Bay. There were several times, man, during the course of his time when he was in, we had huge place under Center. or throws, play action and dropback. And it just, it forces defense alignment to play more honest. You know, it forces linebackers to be more attentive, you know, because now this as opposed to this running back getting the ball and the gun, you know, if he steps to the right and this linebackers a step behind, running backs two or three steps ahead. And so it just, it forces a lot,

Starting point is 00:19:49 it forces a lot more attention and attention to detail from defenses on the pro level, man. And it makes people play us on us. Can we lighten the mood a little bit? Can you tell us the story about Cody Ford outrunning a pit bull with a 24-packing his own? Yeah, no, man, that's so funny. Yeah, no, I still can't believe he caught that ball. But that's that I had to tell you guys that story, too. But yeah, no, man, we were just in college, just like any college kids. We were drinking on Saturday.

Starting point is 00:20:22 Yeah, drinking on a Saturday night. And he kind of, he lived in like apartment complex, man. And I don't know who let their dog run out the house. But, I mean, I never seen somebody so big move so fast in some jeans with a case of beer in my life. They were glass bottles. It was pretty impressive. See, you heard them too. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:44 Oh, yeah, the whole not. The whole not. At his priorities, man. Sometimes you just need a little motivation to get moving. No doubt. Nothing like a dog chasing in you, though. Yeah, seriously. Seriously, I think I might have been on top of a car like an idiot.

Starting point is 00:21:01 That's a way to go, though. I don't know. She should get on top of the car. Yeah. And obviously that translates to Sunday. Cody Ford catching a pass looking like a tight end out there. You said you wanted to tell the story. What was that like for?

Starting point is 00:21:12 Yeah. No, man. Well, it's pretty funny because we probably called that play, I think two or three times in a walk. through. And Joe, I think, threw it to him maybe once. And he told Cody, like, be ready. And so we're in the game. And we hear the personnel come in, big personnel. And so obviously, we're thinking it's a run because normally you see Cody coming in on the field or anybody. It's run or play action. So, you know, we see him come on the field. We hear the personnel. And as an

Starting point is 00:21:46 offense alignment, you know, when you hear two or three jet or pass, you know, the past play, the protection, everything else like kind of goes out the window in a way. You know, at that point, I'm just thinking about formation, coverage, alignments, like, things like that. And so all five of us, like, we had no, none of us had any clue. Like, for all I know, Cody was in the backfield picking up a linebacker, you know what I mean? Like, it didn't run through any of our minds up front. And so We hear the two and three jet. At that point, it becomes very like, you know, I don't know the proper word. I almost said monotone, but like you're very focused on like, okay, all right, it's time to protect.

Starting point is 00:22:28 And so we're past blocking and we see the ball get thrown. We look over and it's Cody catching the ball. And I'm like, no way. This is crazy. So Cody catches the ball, man. And I swear I thought he was going to score. I still can't believe he didn't score. But, yeah, no, I mean, we were all so fired.

Starting point is 00:22:46 up to see him make that play, man. But it's just, it's funny because you asked Joe about it. And he's like, I just went through my progression. And he was open. So it worked out great. You just got to get that college experience of running from a pit bull. And then you too can catch passes in the NFL is an offensive line. That's all it takes.

Starting point is 00:23:09 Yeah. Yeah. It's funny too, because at Oklahoma, something we would do on Friday walkthroughs is we would send bake or Kyler, they would send like a lineman out for a pass on like the last play. And so a lot of times that guy was Cody. But a lot of people don't know, man. Cody is a freak athlete. You know, he's in their Allstate pitcher, I think.

Starting point is 00:23:31 And, you know, I've seen him dunk on some people in college, man. I've seen him block some dunks. He's a freak. Are you going to go out on any of these routes then? You know, he's getting a jumble package, eligible tight end? No chance, man. I think best case scenario is line me up at fullback and give me that William Perry refrigerator over the top.

Starting point is 00:23:53 I don't have great eyesight. And the way that I take my hands and my coordination, there's no way in hell I'm catching a touchdown, guys. We can dream, all right? We got Sam Huggling catching touchdowns. We got Jordan catching passes. We did catch wood, yeah. I got one last question for, Orlando.

Starting point is 00:24:13 We'll keep it a little bit fun. I remember back when I was starting doing this, Andy Dalton was still the quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. And one of my favorite things to watch Andy Dalton do at Andy Dalton's peak was throw a pass at a linebacker's nameplate with Tyler Eifert, Duncan on him. So I asked Andy, what's your favorite pass to throw? And why is it throwing at Tyler Eifert when you see a linebacker's nameplate? So I want to ask you, I don't know what your answer is going to be here.

Starting point is 00:24:39 But what's your favorite block? Like what's the thing that when you hear a play call, you're like, man, I'm going to go put this guy into ground. I love doing this. I'm great at this. What's that moment for you? Yeah, I'll split it up for you. I would tell you in pass protection one-on-one. I love winning one-on-one reps.

Starting point is 00:24:57 That's my favorite thing to do. And it honestly took a little time in my career to fully embrace that. But I love being one-on-one. I love one-on-one pass pro. That is, I live for that. I live for that. But in the run game, I would tell you, man, any time I get to just run off the ball on a double team with Dylan. And, I mean, being able to move a guy from point A to point B and get to the second level, I love that.

Starting point is 00:25:30 Like, anytime I'm on the backside of a zone play or the front side of a gap scheme, I love that. I really do. And another thing I really love is probably a close to, maybe even also. So the tie, number one, is pulling. I really enjoy that, too, man. Pulling on, pulling in space around the formation. I love that. I love that shit.

Starting point is 00:25:50 Sorry to curse. Like a GT counter, you know what I mean? Yeah, I love that. Yeah, even if I'm solo, man. Even if it's just me pulling and we're in like some time of three by one or two by two. And they got me on a safety or a front side linebacker. I love that. I love that.

Starting point is 00:26:07 That's always like one of my favorite things to do. All right. Last one for me then since you brought it up. Unless you got to follow up, Jacob. No, go ahead. All right. If the duo blocks is that, that seems like the most fun. But it can also cause a lot of chaos at times.

Starting point is 00:26:21 Like, am I releasing? You know, when it's the time to go get that linebacker? How long does that take to get the timing down? Especially if you have a rookie next to you doing fair job. It seems like you guys got it, you know, within the last season. But what are the little tricky things that you and him may talk about? Like, you know, go a little bit longer on this guy, give him me a little bit harder. Like, whatever, what are the little words back?

Starting point is 00:26:42 and forth. Yeah, it really depends on a few different things, man. It's, it's the D-Lyman and the way that he plays it, the double team. So if you're dealing with a guy that likes to drop to a knee, if you're dealing with a guy that plays more into the guard, if you're dealing with a guy that plays more into the tackle on double teams. It also, that's where it kind of starts for us in terms of the initial footwork and fit. And then from there, understanding the linebackers leverage. So if we're working to a linebacker that is stacked, if we're working to a linebacker that is plussed inside, if we're working to a linebacker that's behind us. You know, all of those different things kind of go into it and affect our approach.

Starting point is 00:27:23 But it took some time for both of us to be able to understand how the, what we're comfortable in terms of the way that we fit a double team. But I think we, like I said, man, earlier, we just kind of learned as the season got going, man, let's just run off this ball. Like, let's just go meet this guy on that other side. our line of scrimmage and we'll figure the rest of it feel the rest of it out and uh between the both of us man i imagine it's it's uh easily uh really close to i guess what 700 pounds probably close to maybe even over but um yeah no it's it's it's it's really tough for people to deal with that

Starting point is 00:28:02 and so man we just we just started running off the ball and and from there we kind of refined our technique uh but it's really it's worked really well for us man i can't wait to grow even more and refine our fundamentals even more in that area. Excited to see what that year two chemistry looks like with you and Dylan and the entire offensive line having continuity with the starters is something that's very exciting, obviously, with the way that we saw your group come together last year. Orlando, we appreciate the long time you gave us here. We're excited to see you out there this year.

Starting point is 00:28:33 You got a couple of weeks until training camp kicks off. You got anything planned for your last couple weeks here before? No, man. back. I am, I am so locked and loaded, man. I'm really excited and ready to go. I honestly, this time of year, man, I'm pretty much, I am in a cage. I'm at the, I'm at the, I'm at a pay court stadium working out. I'm at home working on my body. I'm boxing, play video games a little bit, man, but this is the time of year. I really just take time to physically and mentally prepare for the season. It sounds like you're living the dream. I am. I'm very blessed.

Starting point is 00:29:06 I think all of us are living the dream here as we wrap up this interview here on the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Orlando, we really appreciate the time. This was awesome. We'll talk to you soon. Yeah, thank you guys. It's too bad we won't get Orlando Brown catching a touchdown pass, Joe. But we did get a touchdown pass worthy podcast appearance here from Orlando Brown Jr.

Starting point is 00:29:30 Very, very generous at this time. We appreciate that. Obviously, incredibly deeply, loves talking ball. You can tell that right away. You can tell his passion for the game, what he cares about, how he likes to talk about it. Bright guy, awesome interview with Orlando Brown there. We hope you liked it. Yeah, he was very giving with his time, you know, and that's a very appreciative, easy to listen to,

Starting point is 00:29:51 just a very charismatic individual. But even hung out with us for about 10 minutes after we stopped recording just to shoot it a little bit and talk about some things that we probably should have. Probably would have been some good behind the scenes content right there. That's just who Orlando is. We wish him all the success and health this year in 2026. We're going to be going back to five episodes a week here now with Training Camp coming up around the corner. So if you've been pining for more Bengals content as Training Camp is approaching,

Starting point is 00:30:21 you are in the right place. But until next time, that's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Thanks for listening. Hoot Ed. And have a go.

Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Orlando Brown Jr. BREAKS DOWN Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Line, Talks Under Center Offense

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