Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - Skill players will BOOST Bengals' 2025 Offense | What's the next step for Mike Gesicki, Andrei Iosivas?

Episode Date: July 15, 2025

Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Joe Burrow comprise the engine that drives the Bengals. But continuity for Andrei Iosivas, Mike Gesicki, and Chase Brown as their roles evolve along the stars, should be difference-makers for Cincinnati in 2025. Jake Liscow and James Rapien break down the clear strength of the roster, and what they're looking for in training camp for next steps that can propel the Bengals forward this year.Join the Locked On Bengals Insider Community! https://joinsubtext.com/lockedonbengalsFind and follow Locked On Bengals on your favorite podcast platforms:Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/locked-on-bengals-daily-podcast-on-the-cincinnati-bengals/id1159723162Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7AObc0lh0WmQl5fJVgtajsGoogle Podcasts: https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vbG9ja2Vkb25iZW5nYWxz?sa=X&ved=0CAYQrrcFahcKEwio_sXtj8nuAhUAAAAAHQAAAAAQAgStitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/show/locked-on-bengalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelRight now, new customers can get $150 in BONUS BETS when your first $5 BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started.Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNFL at monarchmoney.com/lockedonnfl for 50% off your first year.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Cincinnati Bengals have the best wide receiver duo in the NFL, but the rest of the skill players have a significant part to play. And continuity should be a boost to the Bengals. Let's break it down. You are Locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. What up, Bengals fans, and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. I'm Jake.

He's James Rapine, we are your host of the lockdown Bengals podcast covering your Cincinnati Bengals here. And now on YouTube, everywhere you get your podcast since 2016. So if you're looking for that daily source of everything you need to know about what's going on with the Cincinnati Bengals, you're in the right place. You can hit that subscribe button and that'll make it really easy to join the Legion of Bengals fans out there that are already everyday. Or shout out to you if you're already in every day or everyday listener of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. and you can make the Lockdown Bengals podcast your first listen every day. As we continue our training camp preview series today, James, we get into the skill players.

And while there's obvious strength and continuity at the top, there's also a really interesting bit of depth conversation that I think we get to today in the depth battles at all of these positions in terms of who's going to rotate in with those clear starters on this team. The advantage of continuity. There's also a Shamar Stewart story out there that we're going to get to to finish the show. But let's start with the strength of the team here. And from a training camp preview perspective, what we're expecting to see from this unit,

I think that there will be no contract drama on this side of the ball, at least. We're going to talk about contract drama later. We have to. We can't avoid it. But on this side of the ball, the continuity they have there, these are advantages that we have about and we'll continue to be advantages that we talk about throughout training camp and monitor. This group needs to be the best skill group of the Joe Burrow era. And when you look at it, obviously you have Jamar Chase coming off of the Triple Crown season in his prime, entering his

prime, whatever you want to say. I truly believe T. Higgins is entering his prime right now. And that's why I wanted them to pay him so badly even last year, because you want to. his best years, I think those best years are going to start in 2025. And as good as he was last year with the 10 touchdowns and 12 games and just Riley Moss has nightmares about dealing with T. Higgins still to this day, it's really fun to me to think about what he can be this year, assuming he could stay just a little healthier. And as you mentioned, the best one-two punch in the league. And then you look at the continuity part of it. And that's why I say that this group, should be the best skill group that Joe has had.

Because Andre Yosevash has done nothing but take steps forward and earn Joe's confidence and continue to grow as a player, I know he's putting in a ton of work in Atlanta or has all off season. And it obviously paid off last year, and you saw what he could do last year, and I think that that's only going to continue. Mike Gisicki, same thing. Joe wanted him for a reason. He's going to matter.

and I think he's a big factor. And then Chase Brown, who I think is about to much like T. Higgins, and I get it, T's been in the league longer and all of those things. But Chase should be better this year. He should be entering now that those prime running back years where he's been there, done that, he's confident, and he sharpens all the skills that he need. So I have really high expectations for this skill group. There are guys I obviously didn't mention I'm not going to go through each and every one of them to open the show.

But when I think about this group as a whole, they should be one of the best groups in the league near the top of the league. And that's really where the Bengals, when you think of their advantage week in and week out, it obviously starts with Joe. We talked about that a few days ago. But the skill guys need to be a huge advantage week in and week out, even when they're facing top defenses in the NFL. And I agree with you. They should be. This should be the best skill performance that we see in the Joe Burrow era. Obviously, health caveats apply and more specifically for some players or more relevantly to some players than others. But when you think about the continuity aspect here that we've talked about on the show, but having continuity allows that chemistry that we know exists. And we have seen palpable evidence exists between Joe Burrow and Jamer. our chase to apply to more players on the skill group roster. And I think that that chemistry exists with Joe and T. Higgins in large part. But if you look at the misfires or the incomplete passes that Joe Burrow through to

Andre Yosevach last year, I think you could say that that wasn't quite there with Joe and Andre last year. I think there's a lot of trust between those guys, especially when it comes to the scramble drill. But in terms of in structure on time, there were a few. few occasions last year that stand out notably in my mind where Andre just wasn't quite on the same speed as Joe Burrow in terms of expecting the ball to be there when it arrived. And that's something that in year three, same offense, same quarterback, same group around him, I would

expect Andre Yosevaas to be better at. The same system in terms of the passing game will be there. Now, can you get a step from Andre as a run blocker? Can you get a step from all of these receivers as a run blocker. How does that kind of fit in with what the Bengals are doing with their new offensive line coach, new approach to the running game, no run game coordinator, more of it. A team-wide approach to the running game is what you would hope would come out of that. We'll see how that plays out. But they really trust Andre and they use him in that role as a run blocker, but there's some development that's available to him there. So when we talk about the continuity, I'm thinking about Andre.

I'm thinking about Mike Kaseki, the first time in the Joe Burrow era, you've got two straight years with your number one receiving tight end. And I'm thinking about Chase Brown, who we saw take those massive steps last year, both as a runner as a receiver and as a pass blocker and the return of Samajai P. Ryan in that room. We'll get to the depth part here, just focusing on the starters now, though. Those three guys, the Nazi Higgins, the Not Jamar Chase, part of this offense. and the steps that those guys could take in terms of continuity with Joe Burrough and in the same system. That's what's fascinating to me as we talk about the beginning, the start of the 2025 season. When I think of Andre, and a lot of people probably saw T. Higgins's comments that Dan Hort asked him during the offseason program. It's like, oh, man, he took big strides forward.

But I was talking about Bengals veteran who was in the secondary. I'm not going to name him just because I don't know if he wants me to name him. so I'm not going to. Bengals veteran that was in the secondary last offseason. And last off season before all the Jamar stuff, we were on, and I remember saying, my biggest offseason priority is finding a way to re-sign tea. And I was talking with him about that. And he was like, yeah, you better get Tita because of how valuable he is.

He was like, but that number 80 is a dude too. And really talked up Andre, again, probably off record. I don't think he would care if I said it now especially, but was praising Andre, and it was just a one-on-one conversation. And I think, I think that's interesting to me because you look at his progression

and the trust that Joe has had, the 10 touchdowns in his first two seasons. When he was drafted in the sixth round, I think if you would have said, over under 10 career touchdowns in a Bengals uniform for Andre Yosevash. Yeah. You know?

Like career, you probably, probably take the under because that's a lot. That's a lot for a six-round. Sixth round pick? Yes. And he's coming from Princeton and you just don't know. And clearly he's got it mentally. Clearly he's got it physically.

They moved him into the slot last year. And yeah, there are plenty of things. I think between the 20s, you really need to see 80 more this year. You need to see him evolve there. But there is something there. And he works really hard and he gets it. And when you check all of those boxes, you have veterans singing your praises, really from the moment he got there, he impressed the Bengals and that has continued. So I don't think he ever could have replaced T.

I think the offense would have had to evolve. But can he evolve into a reliable third option? Or some weeks, it might be Mike Kisicki, but others, it is Andre. And if T's doubled and Jamar's doubled, well, then it's the Andre Yosevosh game. Like, that's what they need. And it could vary on who it is week to week. But I do believe that he's capable of doing that. And I know for a fact, he's chomping at the bit to see more targets in game because he believes he can do more.

And when you have that belief, that confidence, that could be the game changing player two down the stretch that needs to be made. Maybe he's the guy that makes it at times. And that goes a long way. It's tough because there's a lot of mouths to feed. if you're talking about getting more targets for Andre, because of Mike Aseki's return and the evolution of how they're going to use Mike Kaseki. Let's finish up with Mike Kaseki.

Let's finish up with Chase Brown. Get into the depth battles here because I do think that the depth conversation, the rotation conversation of these positions, also really interesting. Then we've got to get to Samar Stewart. So we'll wrap up on the skill guys coming up next. Today's show is brought to you by Fandul.

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But for once, Joe Burrow goes out there and says, we really want Mike G back. Mike G does the meme where he's pointing at himself like me. And then he gets re-signed with the Cincinnati Bengals. Said he paid the Joe Burrow tax. still got paid pretty well, I think. But when you think about the continuity with Mike Keseki and the comments from coaches where they talk about, we really figured out how we wanted to fold him into the game

playing with these wide receivers late in the year. What are your expectations for Mike G in the second year with this offense? I think he's like he could be your Tyler Boyd. Like if you needed him to, just line up in the slot and be that guy, for the most part, he can do that. And I think that's what's interesting. When you think about the Bengals' wide receivers, you mentioned the Mals defeat. It's not just the big two. It's Andre and Mike, and those guys are both, can both

give you that that slot option and can both be that third down safety net and can both be weapons in the red zone. You didn't see that as much with Mike last year. It's not like he put up a bunch of touchdowns. And I think that might be where things changed this year. He had some big catches between the 20s. It's kind of funny how him and Andre were sort of opposites in some ways. But I think Mike is going to score more touchdowns. Numbers may end up being the same.

And then you look at the touchdowns and those go up this year. But he is valuable. I saw in OTAs and during the offseason program. The rapport is there. Joe trusts him. He's going to lean on him. the catch radius is important. He moves like a receiver, but it has just a huge wide catch radius.

He's really athletic and is going to matter this year. And so keeping him, look, the Steelers just traded for Jono Smith. And having a tight end that can catch like that and be a weapon in the passing game, that matters a lot. Mike Gisicki is one of the better fits from that standpoint. Not saying he's a complete tight end that's going to be able to be a high end blocker, but for what the Bengals do, if you're looking at a pass-catching tight end,

outside of the star tight ends in this league, he's up there for sure. And so I think that it's a really good fit. I expect it to be better. And if there's one area where I think the numbers will certainly go up, you don't know about receptions. You don't know about yards, but I do think the touchdown number is going to go up a bit.

I think the big area that they need to figure out how to leverage Mike Kaseki's sizes in the red zone like you're talking about. in the end zone. Last year, out of all of his production, how many catches did he have total last year? He had 65 catches last year for 665 yards, two touchdowns. Over 10 yards of catch. Of those catches, five came in the red zone for 33 yards and one touchdown.

You need to get more out of a guy like Nikeaseki in the red zone. he was really, really good between the 20s. He had 50, trying to do math quickly in my head, 57 catches between the 20s for about 600 of his yards. About 50 of his yards came not between the 20s. And he had the one touchdown from outside of the red zone. Only one touchdown in the red zone last year. Was a useful third down player.

Most of his production came on second down, but certainly was a useful. third down player. So in those moments, you're talking about the Tyler Boyd third down role, talking about the red zone responsibilities. That's where you want to see growth for Mike Gisicki in year two with this offense where the coaching staff knows exactly what he is, where Joe Burrow knows exactly what he is. And you would hope to see some improvements there. The other aspect here is Chase Brown. And the question for me of running back does get into depth more than I have any questions about Chase Brown because I think Chase Brown is really good

and it's a question of how much of a workload does he get this year? And does he maybe take a step as a receiver in terms of production? Are there more targets available for him in the receiving game as a checkdown option? But really where it gets interesting to me from here, because again, I think we know who Chase Brown is and I think he's a very productive running back. There's questions about the run blocking in front of him is how much do we see? a rotation with Taj Brooks, Samaja Pieran, and maybe even Zach Moss, depending on his health,

and running back, and what happens behind Mike Kaseki at tight end? Those are the remaining bits of intrigue to me that we're going to get a lot of answers about, I think, in training camp and the preseason process. Because there's not necessarily a whole lot you can learn about a lot of things in training camp, but these rotations and the guys that are going to play snaps

and who's winning those battles, who's earning the coaches trust, that is something that you can learn in training camp. and I think it'll be really interesting the tight end beyond Drew Sample and Mike Gaseki and beyond Chase Brown and Somaget-Pirang. No doubt, because where's Zach Moss's health? I think that's a huge one.

I'm not sure. I'm concerned, put it that way. Now, maybe he's cleared for camp, and next week we're like, oh, well, Zach Moss is out there. Because if so, I don't know. I know fans are kind of in general down on him, but I'm not sure he's worse than Samadj, P. Ryan. And if those are your three, you feel great about.

But Tosh Brooks is really intriguing. So I feel good. Whoever ends up being the Bengals backup running back is going to have to earn it. Last year, you kind of walked into it and you knew it was going to be brown and moss or moss and brown. This year, I think it's a bit different. You know it's brown. And then after that, there could be a bit of a competition.

But having Samajah, he can do so many. different things for you. He's going to matter. I'm pretty sure it was in the AFC title game this past year. He caught the game clinching catch for a first down for the chiefs. Like that's a third down. They needed a play and Pat Mahom slurs it to him. And I'm pretty sure he broke a tackle, but runs for a first down and that's it ball game. They're going to another Super Bowl. Those are the type of plays that go under the radar. That's what he did in 2021 when they made it to the Super Bowl. He made plays that you kind of forget about now. So if he can be that, and I think he can.

I talked with him during the offseason program a little bit. He's certainly excited to be back in Cincinnati. And I think offensively is going to matter at times. And even if he doesn't, let's just say Brooks runs away with the two job. He's going to matter on special teams. He's going to be a factor. And that's really, really nice to have to have a veteran back there that at worst case, can be your number three running back

and pass protect at a high level and help in a bunch of different ways. More than anything is depth that they did not have last year. They had two guys last year. And they had to go trade a pick for running back in the middle of the season because they had, I mean.

It was so desperate. Remember they worked out Leonard from that? Yeah. And then that running back didn't even play. He hardly played. They should have just signed Leonard. I don't think that was a pretty, that serious. I don't think they were that interested

based on what I heard. For how much they used their in-season acquisition. Should have. Should have. Like, and nothing against Khalil Herbert, but he just didn't get used until Chase Brown got hurt because Chase Brown was really good. But having depth there, big difference. Don't have that confidence in the tight end room.

And this is where something needs to emerge, whether it's Tanner McLaughlin, whether it's Cam Grandy, whether is Tanner Hudson again being in that role. But like somebody who can be that. Eric All light, because I don't think they're getting Eric all this year. He's going to miss a season, obviously. But somebody who can be an Eric All light, that would be a help for this offense.

I don't know that it is either. That's why I love Coast and Loveland. I thought maybe he could end up being that long term, you know, so. We will see what shakes out with the tight ends. That's going to be an area we're watching closely. Like who's going to be that guy that they, because like they're going to, in training camp,

there are going to be two tight end sets where Gaseki is not the second tight end. It's going to be Drew Sample and. And who is that

and? And what kind of I think it's Cam Brandy? I think it's Cam Grandy. That's where I lean currently too. But when we have this

No doubt. When we have this next conversation, how many people are going to be like, man, Colston Loveland. They're going to feel

a little differently. They're going to think a little differently about that, huh? Well, maybe not maybe not for a few reasons

we'll finish up the show with some drama we can't avoid it coming up next all right Jake let's dive into the drama you mentioned Shamar Stewart

and the latest on him we talked about it yesterday Shamar Stewart will he show up the training camp on time will he be signed will he not be signed we'll see Amarius Mims

signed right before camp last year and yet the latest, and I didn't see this. You saw this. You pushed it to me probably about an hour before we started recording, a half hour before we started recording. And this would be a disaster scenario for probably all involved, but the latest on Shamar. Yeah. So you're talking about it making people want to revisit the Colston Loveland conversation. And there's two prongs to it, right?

One is a conversation we just had about like, do they have a real tight end on the roster that can do everything? They don't. And then you take the further step of this report. And this comes from the cover three podcast and Bud Elliott who said that he talked to an A&M source, a guy who had some good A&M stuff in the past. He's like, hey, Samar might end up back here. He's been at College Station.

He's been fully involved in workouts. He could come back and try to play again this evening. season and go into the draft again next year. And John Sharon at A to Z Sports was the guy who noticed this, wrote it up. And that's why I saw it, James. So shout out to John Shearin. But there's a lot here. Great friend of the show.

I don't know that it necessarily means anything. But the fact that there's smoke here at all is concerning. Like it's not uncommon for guys to go work out where they play college football. Yeah. It's not uncommon during the break to hear about guys going to work out where they used to play. That could very well be all this is. The podcast also described the relationship between the Bengals and Shamar Stewart is toxic. I don't know if that's informed or if that's, you know, somebody who's just following it from the outside.

I don't know if that's coming from Shamar Stewart's camp or, you know, somebody just extrapolating from the news you've seen around this. But I don't want to necessarily overhype this. It's just that since the story is out there at all at this point, a week before training camp, like that's not where you want to be. It isn't. And I'm going to be very, very clear here. Because if Shamar Stewart did do this, and I'm not saying he is, I'm not saying he will, I'm not saying he's considering it.

But it would be the most ridiculous, assonine, ignorant, dumb, Whatever bad adjective you want to use, that's what it is. Because we're talking about a first round pick contract, 17th overall. It is fully guaranteed. And this idea that you would do that means that he, again, not saying it's true, not saying that this is being considered. But if it is being considered, if this is considered a real option from his people, then they're the dumbest group ever and he needs to fire every single one of them.

And I don't say that lightly. I've never said that about anyone's representation that I can remember. But that's insane to do. Insane to risk. It's not like Shamar Stewart was this huge NIL guy was getting paid. Not that he didn't get paid, but getting paid millions and millions of dollars. That wasn't the case. Why would you walk away from that? On the other side, this would be a disaster for the Bengals as well. Because now they just don't have their first round pick. And so it would be awful for everyone involved. No one would benefit. It would be, again, the most ridiculous thing. Because what are the odds that he, I just read something from Dane Bruegler that said edge rusher is a really deep position in the 2026 NFL draft. I haven't even thought about the 26 NFL draft. But guess what?

Do you want to risk your fully guaranteed deal at 17th overall when you thought you should have been picked higher already to maybe go in round two? Like, there would be no way, no scenario where that would make sense because of a clause that doesn't even cancel your contract. Like it's a very, just negotiate the clause, which the Bengals are going to do. I'd be shocked if the Bengals don't reach out the Shamar Stewart's reps, maybe now, but certainly within the next few days to try to get something done. Why would you risk that and go back?

there would be no scenario, no option where I would tell Shamar if I was advising him to go back to school because there's really no scenario where it makes sense or is smart at this stage. Well, especially because you're talking lawsuits at that point. Like if he actually tries to play college football this year? Yeah, he's got to force his way back. Then he's actually not eligible. As I understand it, I don't think he's eligible for the draft next year. The Bengals will still have his rights if he plays football this year, I think.

and maybe that's maybe there's something weird there but i think you're talking lawsuits if he goes and plays football somewhere if he just sits out the year then he can reenter the draft no questions asked and i still think that's an insane thing to consider because if you sit out the year and it's a strong edge class next year according to name brugler like the NFL sees what's happening here and what if he gets drafted i've one of these you know 20 or so other teams in the NFL that uses is this a standard contract language? Is you going to fight the fight again and say, well, you have the precedent,

but this is the reason I didn't fight with sign with Cincinnati, and now you want me to sign the same language. Like, you got pretty good odds being picked, but maybe the teams just avoid you that. And if those teams all avoid you, who's picking you in the first round? Especially if you don't play football next year, after you've gone through this.

The NFL, we've seen what the NFL does when players ruffled the feathers. It's all this collusion stuff that's in the next, news in the last month or so around various contracts, Marjacks and most notably. But I mean, that that will be a while move. Now, again, to be entirely clear about this, this could just be him working out. We don't know that there's any indication that he wants to go and play football at Texas A&M next year.

But just, and by the way, hopefully he's out there. Yeah, hopefully he's just working out and plans on showing up to Canada. and is hoping to get a deal done and hits the ground running. And that very well could be the case. But if not, if he's really receiving this advice, it is like what in the world is going on? And why would you think that that is smart advice? Like there's no scenario. And it's almost like, it feels like it would be a very emotional decision. Like, oh, you want to do that? Fine. Then I'm going to do this. And very rarely when you, in business, when you act with emotion, is it the right call? Very rarely.

Everyone should just take a deep breath here. And you know the Bengals, they have no emotion when they negotiate. And it is frustrating sometimes and a lot of times. But if that's being considered, his camp should take a deep breath. Hopefully it's just not, like you said, because it would be, it would hurt him. It would hurt everybody. I don't really know who wins. maybe Texas A&M, but I don't really know who wins.

This is all, like I said, very speculative. We don't know a whole lot about it other than this is an eye-catching thing to be said on the cover three podcast that somebody told but Elliot that Shamar might end up back here. Doesn't necessarily mean that that's a plan. But the reason we're covering it is because it is out there. and if this turns out to have legs, we didn't want to, we didn't want you to be blindsided, essentially, as if this thing picks up steam.

And if it picks up steam, we'll continue to make sure you know everything that you need to know about it. But right now, I still think most likely scenario was from our surre plays for the Bengals this year by a pretty large margin. Sure.

So rookies have to report Saturday Just to give everyone an idea Saturday July 19th So we will have an idea There's no there's no like actual penalty For guys that aren't signed if they don't show up right Or is there a penalty do you know A penalty?

I mean It's not like a penalty No but you become a full holdout Like if you're not reporting And those are happening with second round picks So we'll see what happens with Demetrius Knight As well where second round picks across the league are starting to say, hey, let's figure out this guaranteed money thing.

Oh. We can't escape it, James. Come on, Jake. Are you tired yet? Don't. What, uh, so Jammar, when he was miced up in Detroit, I remember weird things. And, and Joe Burrow threw a deep ball to him. He said, hey, you see that big blue thing right there?

Jamar caught it, but got caught by from behind in his rookie year. He was like, don't do me like that. Don't do me like that. That's me right now to Demetrius and Shamar. Just don't do me like that. We don't need all the drama going into camp, baby. Let's get it solved. Back to the topic of football things, hopefully, barring news.

We'll continue our training camp previews. We've got to get to the trenches. We've got to get to the rest of the defense outside of the defensive front. So we've got that coming up. We've got mock turtle soup in the near future as well. Until then, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Hootay. And have a good one.

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