Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - STILL WAITING | Cincinnati Bengals in the mix for Teven Jenkins

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Starting point is 00:01:38 And it's been a busy day for the lockdown Bengals insider group because the Bengals have been focused on offensive guard. That was our expectation for them going into free agency. That was a clear priority for this team. And we're still waiting for the move or moves potentially to happen at this position. do do do do do do yeah it's uh waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting some more i mean i wanted to get my haircut today jake and i was like i don't know like totally slipped my mind i know those of you watching on youtube james is wearing a hat because he hasn't had his haircut yeah he hasn't had a

Starting point is 00:02:20 haircut and it's late and i was like you know what basically it's time for me to get a haircut anytime if if i wake up and it's out of place then i know it's too long and so it's it's been out of place for multiple days since I've woken up. And so there you go. There's enough about my hair. But yeah, I thought something would happen. We knew they were in on guard. Our insiders knew they were in on guard.

Starting point is 00:02:44 We talked about it on our last show. Spoiler, they're in on guard. And nothing's happened yet. And I think it will. I think by the time a lot of people will see this or hear this, Kevin Jenkins could be signed by the Bengals or someone else. And that's probably the big domino that's going to fall here and start some movement in the guard market.

Starting point is 00:03:04 Maybe the Bengals get him. Maybe it's one of these other teams that I've heard that are interested, whether it's the Giants or the Seahawks. And once that happens, then let's say the Bengals get him. Well, then the Giants and the Seahawks are going to pivot and go to their next guy. And meanwhile, the Bengals will do the same thing if those other teams get them. So I think Tevin Jenkins is kind of, I don't want to say holding up the market. I don't want to do that.

Starting point is 00:03:26 But once the 27-year-old guard that's going into a second contract gets sniped and scooped up and put on whatever team on a multi-year deal that's going to make him very, very rich, well, then it's going to be the next guy. And those teams will pivot and you'll start to see things speed up a little bit. And it needs to speed up. I mean, it's been such a slow process. Even at guard, you've seen some big deals. But the Will Friesda was ridiculous.

Starting point is 00:03:57 But overall, I look at it and it's like. I expected more movement at guard, especially with the way the draft is this year. And it just, it doesn't seem to be there. Like the Bengals could still certainly add two guards. And I would, even if they get Tevin Jenkins. I would add another veteran guard. Hopefully they're feeling that way too. But, yeah, they're focused on Jenkins at this moment.

Starting point is 00:04:23 Jenkins has played both interior offensive line spots in his NFL career. He has played tackle in his NFL career as well. I would imagine that the move for Kevin Jenkins would be for right guard with the Cincinnati Bengals. And then there's still a discussion as to how they would look to upgrade left guard. Do they wait until the draft or whichever guard spot Jenkins isn't playing? Or do they make that move for a veteran? After Jenkins, you would expect the next guy that is commanding the most significant money on a multi-year deal to likely be Mackay Beckton, who of course broke out in Philadelphia at Guard. He's just 26 years old. P.F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F.

Starting point is 00:05:01 PEP has him projected at three years, $10 million for Jenkins at three years, $13.3 million per year. Those are both per year numbers, not overall numbers. So 30 over three for Bechton and 40 over three for Taven Jenkins. And I think that's pretty accurate. I think I'll probably be in that realm. And will the Bengals go there? I think that that's because I don't know about the money.

Starting point is 00:05:26 I know interest. But the Bengals may be offering three for 30. Who knows what they're offering, you know? And when you look at the fries deal, he was projected at four years 57, ended up at five years 88. So that's a three million more per year. I think in general, the PFF estimates have been a little bit low this year on quite a few players. The guard market not excused from that. And so wouldn't surprise me if Taven Jenkins ends up making a little bit more than that projection, three years, $40 million total.

Starting point is 00:05:57 But we'll see where that falls into place. that is what we have been waiting for largely. And like you said, James, by the time people are listening to this, maybe that decision has been made. Would you pivot to Jedrick, are you in, did we talk about Jeddrich Will's? We did briefly. That wouldn't be my next choice. That could be a choice to bring on to the roster to provide depth and then great.

Starting point is 00:06:22 If he wins the spot, fantastic. It's gone swimmingly. But I think my next choice would be for someone that I, could trust and rely on right away and didn't have to count on being a rehabilitation project. Yeah, maybe it's, maybe it's Tavin and Jedrick. And that's the route you go. Like I just want two.

Starting point is 00:06:42 I'm still grimacing. Are you? Why? I just would want better. Like if you're going for a second one, I would want Will's to be competing with Cody Ford and somebody else, maybe a rookie or maybe a better player. He would be. He would be competing with him.

Starting point is 00:06:59 for it though well yeah but i want that to be behind somebody that i can trust right away sure sure yeah wills isn't going to sign to be a backup i mean and that's so that that would be that i'm not interested most likely sure bettin signed for for very low-end money high-end backup money and a great offensive line situation if it was a deal like beckton where he was competing for a starting job but not expected necessarily to win one then okay but if the other option is cody for Not okay. I get that. I think I would be in on the idea.

Starting point is 00:07:35 Beckton signed in May, basically. I mean, it was, I think it was right before the draft. And that situation is just, it's different. Now, who knows? Maybe Will's will end up there. I, why do you say Tevinette at Left Guard, by the way? Just experience. I said, right?

Starting point is 00:07:51 I said, right. Right. Why did you say that not left? Like, there's a. The reason that I assume that is because, that is a position that the Bengals released Alex Caput and is clearly vacant. Cody Ford was also the best position for him last year was left guard. What I would do?

Starting point is 00:08:11 Yeah, Cody Ford. Cody Ford's a backup. I agree with you there. This is called the Tevin and Kevin connection. And it would be Tevin Jenkins, left guard, and Kevin Zitler, right guard. And that would be it. It would be the Tevin and Kevin connection come together to protect Joe Burrow. They put their powers together with Ted in the middle.

Starting point is 00:08:33 And boom, secure the pocket. You have Cody Ford as a backup. Who knows? Maybe Jedrick Wilson is just out there in April and you can add him as a backup too. But that's what I would go for. And if the cap issue is an issue, and I don't like doing this, but I'm going to anyway, Cordell Volson. Create $3 million if you need to.

Starting point is 00:08:52 If that's what's holding you back from adding a Kevin Zeitler. Like, you kidding me? Like, do it. That's fine. If you can move on from a, at best, guy who's competing for a starting job to completely upgrade your starting lineup, do it. And so that's where I would be at. I don't know about you.

Starting point is 00:09:12 And maybe it is, Kevin Jenkins of left guard. Maybe that's a plan if that does, in fact, end up being the signing. We'll talk about it more if and when he does sign. But he has played certainly more in his career at left guard, 1,193 snaps of left guard in his career to 852 snaps at right guard. His entire season in 2024 was a left guard, split time a little bit in 23 was a right guard in 2022, has performed admirably at both spots. Ideally, you have a clear plan for him. You're not moving him around a bunch because you want him to be very comfortable with the side he's playing. But honestly, it would be

Starting point is 00:09:54 the first move that would significantly provide an upgrade, at least on paper. And that's all you can really ask for at this point in free agency. It was a quiet day, James, for the Bengals stars as Bengals fans are still asking often, anything on tea, anything on T? We'll talk about what's going on there or what could be going on there coming up next. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. Taking care of your mental health can feel like a big investment, but it's just as important as taking care of your body. Traditional in-person therapy can cost anyway from $100 to $250 per session. But with BetterHelp, you can save up to 50% per session. BetterHelp offers a flat fee for weekly online therapy sessions making professional support more accessible

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Starting point is 00:11:28 Jens, before we pivot to talk about the Bengal stars, just to wrap up the guard conversation. If it's not Simon Jenkins, they will need to pivot and pivot quickly. I'm very curious to know what the backup plan would be there and what else they would be working on, what other groundwork they've kind of put into place to say, hey, we might need to come to you quickly tomorrow. Because that is a position that obviously they're prioritizing, obviously needs to be significantly better. We've talked about Kevin Zitler. You've talked a lot about Brandon Shurfers' Lopsch, and I've mentioned Wilhelm. Hernandez, who's been great as a pass blocker, Dalton Reisner, another one that fits that

Starting point is 00:12:04 category as well. But for all those guys, I just mentioned, you would love to see them in addition to the Tevin Jenkins move. And so we'll see what happens there. And I will be very curious to see how that develops. Yeah, I think it's the, the pivot, obviously they have a backup plan, but what I think is interesting is how many, at least for me, like, quality like to me like sherf and zeitler are such clear upgrades like i'd be fine if they just would have targeted them on targeted these guys on monday i would have already done it i would have prioritized one of those guys and whether it's jenkins or insert whoever else that you can get to play left guard maybe it is beckton but to me however you can find a way to get to that's what i

Starting point is 00:12:54 want we'll see if they do it we'll see if they listen real quick just for full disclosure and case anyone isn't aware. The reason I mentioned Jedrick Wills, it's because he was the first round pick left tackle of the Browns when Scott Peters was the assistant offensive line coach in Cleveland. It's interesting because the parallels are pretty similar to Mackay Beckton last year with Frank Pollock. Frank Pollock was in New York when they drafted Beckton. It didn't work out in New York. They brought Bechtin in. Obviously, Bexton didn't end up signing. They signed Trent Brown. And they were looking at tackle. It's different this time around. But maybe Scott Peters likes Jedrick and thinks Jedrick can be a good player and if so if he still believes in him

Starting point is 00:13:32 that could be a path they go down even if it isn't right away in an instant pivot on Wednesday so yeah I think uh I think that's all of the Jedrick wills run we'll we'll talk about for now but you never know it might come up again I'll just conclude by saying I'm fine with Jedrick wills if he's coming in to compete as the sixth guy if the expectation is that he can have the clear path to a starting job. I'm less in there. I just keep coming back to, I want somebody more proven, more reliable,

Starting point is 00:14:08 especially in guard. I mean, you're talking about a position change there, right? So I would just want more proven pass protector for Joe Burrow in this offense. I get that. I get that. I get that. I get that.

Starting point is 00:14:21 Let's talk about T. Higgins. The market for edge rushers, we'll start with Trey has almost entirely dried up. There's still some guys out there that could be complimentary players. But at this point, and I've said this on Twitter, I've said this, I think, on our subtext that our insiders have gotten. I don't know how you don't go back to the table with Trey at this point, the way things have gone.

Starting point is 00:14:49 You're well into wave two, three of free agency at this point. Your pass rush is already looking. suspect. Honestly, even with Trey, you would like them to add pieces to the pass rush. What are your thoughts here, James? We haven't really heard anything significant in a couple of days. We were hoping that if they were going to do a trade, it would have come together more quickly than this. Where are you at on Trey Hendrickson at this point? I really, it's one of those things that's so frustrating because I think it's a very simple solution. And I was talking to NFL people because we give strong opinions and we do this every

Starting point is 00:15:30 single day. And sometimes I'm like, you know what, let me just ask and see if I'm way off here. And these people aren't tied with with Trey or the Bengals. I don't want to dog in the fight here. And they're like, yeah, you're right. And what, what did I say that I want to? Would you pay Trey? How valuable is having a star? Would you want to piece out that money elsewhere or have a, and it's a no-brainer? And that's kind of been the case, really, since the Combine. I've talked to multiple people about it, just because that's the one. You could say, oh, well, he's 30 and not great against the run.

Starting point is 00:16:10 And you could start to pick things apart. And guess what? The Jimmy's and Joe's that you're bringing in to replace Trey Hendrickson are probably not going to be Trey Hendrickson. inadequate to what Trey Hendrickson's giving you in a win now season. And so now when the top pass rushers are gone, and we're literally talking about Kala Von Chason is being one of the potential top guys, most interesting guys available, which, by the way, I would be on board with. Spoiler.

Starting point is 00:16:39 But get trade up. It's very, very simple. And these things, they don't have to be as complicated. is it feels. And that's what I, I don't know why it's that way because they're really not that complicated. We see deals all the time and veterans earn bigger contracts. I mean, Sequin Barclay. It was just very quiet. There wasn't loud grumblings and the Eagles just did that and got Seacuan Barclay paid more money, 20 plus million per, all these things. That's what the Bengals should do here with Trey Hendrickson and get him to 30 million per, 32 million per,

Starting point is 00:17:18 and get it done because he makes them better. And I really don't see the scenario where they're fielding a championship level defense, not better than last year. That's not the bar. A championship level defense without Trey Hendrickson on one side rushing the passer. Requires him to get very lucky.

Starting point is 00:17:36 With development, with draft picks, with whatever. It requires, for my perspective, sitting here on March 11th, just before the clock turns, turns over on the East Coast of March 12th, it would require a great deal of luck for them to improve compared to 2024 on defense without Trey. And the run defense might be better, but right now the pass rush is already a concern. And like I said, that's even with Trey because they don't have

Starting point is 00:18:05 that do-it-all defensive tackle right now. Again, we'll see what happens with development there, right? But they need more dynamism at defensive tackle. They need a guy who can do it all there. We'll talk about this in just a second when we talk about the other priorities for the Bengals. like what about a Dennis Gardak? You keep, Trey, you go get Dennis Gardeck to add into your rotation as a designated pass rusher. Sure. And you don't care that he's turning 31 this year,

Starting point is 00:18:28 been a highly productive pass rush when you can get him on the field in those situations. And you have guys for your third down and long situations or clear passing situations and two minute drills. But that starts with keeping Trey. And so I don't see how you don't strongly consider, if not just decide to get back to the table with Trey. at this point if you're the Bengals. And it would be pretty disappointing to me if they don't because it doesn't sound like

Starting point is 00:18:54 they're getting that first round pick, right? I think if that was the case, you would have seen it happening more quickly than it has. And even if they did, again, you're then relying on hitting in the drafts and a bit of luck in development. And I think that's a hard path to choose if you're the Cincinnati Bengals trying to get back to the championship contention right away in 2025. All right. we covered one T name with Trey.

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Starting point is 00:20:40 And we've got a deadline of sorts, not an official deadline. They haven't until July 15th, technically speaking, to get a lot of time. long-term deal done with T. Higgins. But by the time the new league year starts on Wednesday, all teams must be cap-compliant. And boy, would it be nice. The Bengals are currently cap-compliant, but boy, would it be nice, assuming they don't do something weird with the structure for T. Higgins contract to have that cap-hit reduced. And the way you do that is by getting an extension done.

Starting point is 00:21:16 What are the chances, James, by the time the new league year comes around? Feels pretty low. Yeah. You know, I thought it was like 50-50 yesterday. Just because of that, like they'd have that urgency to do it. And here's why it sucks. Because we know that the Bengals have a line that they don't want to cross. They are always going to have a nest egg of cap.

Starting point is 00:21:37 Like when you go to over the cap, you're never going to see, oh, my God, the Bengals are really pushing. Like they're within a million dollars of their, like, that's just that's not where they're going to be at. and okay, fine, I accept that. I'm not debating that. That's their philosophy and strategy. Fine. But the last thing I want is T. Higgins to have this $26 million cap hit from now until June. That sucks.

Starting point is 00:22:04 I would much rather it be done, even though they've accounted for that $26 million already. And get that down to $18 right now. Because that $8 million, or let's say it's let's go $10. that $10 million cap it if they wanted to could get them both guards pretty easily from a cap standpoint. And that's what sucks. And I don't know exactly what the numbers would look like,

Starting point is 00:22:30 but it could. Who knows what guards they end up with, right? But knowing that, knowing what we're going to talk about here when it comes to the pass rush, knowing the theme of the offseason for me is more going to want more pass rush, more protection, more guards, more defensive tackles. Yeah, I wish that this T thing would be done.

Starting point is 00:22:54 And I, maybe it's complicated, more complicated than I realize. But I don't think it is. I really don't. I think all of these are pretty simple, cut and dry. And here we are. None of them are done. And it doesn't sound like they're terribly far off either, at least T and Jammar, listening to Ian Rappaport on Monday, talking to Pat McAfee, about these deals. It's not like there's massive gaps necessarily at this point, at least if Rappaport is correct. But I agree with you. It's very frustrating that there just hasn't been the urgency to get those across the finish line.

Starting point is 00:23:29 And when you look at the structures of Bengals have done on some of these deals so far, the cap hits are coming in higher than I expected them to on pretty much every deal that they've done so far. Now, there's a chance that some of these roster bonuses that we're seeing, for example, for T.J. Slayton are in fact going to be treated as signing bonuses from a cap perspective, and without getting too nerdy about it, that will just lower the cap hit this year significantly for a guy like T.J. Slayton. And we'll have to see what the BJ Hill deal looks like, because that's the biggest deal that the Bengals have done so far. But for now, with some of these deals,

Starting point is 00:24:02 and they're smaller deals, so it's not necessarily a huge issue, especially if they go with more aggressive from a cap perspective structures that push cap hits out into the future on the bigger contracts they sign, it'll offset. It won't matter at all. And this, criticism will evaporate immediately. It's just a point of worry right now, let's say, that they're really pushing extra cap dollars into 2025. And if that's the case, if it turns out that that's what they're in fact doing, then it really makes you wonder how they're going to execute on Duke's plan to not just pay more money for the same roster. Because that's what he said at the combat. And right now they are not a better team.

Starting point is 00:24:44 they have a way to go to get there. And that's where we're going to finish the show, James, with can they get there in free agency? Can they do enough in free agency to actually be better than 2025? I think they can in some spots. But I think it's going to take the draft, too. They're going to have to hit in this draft. But let's talk about where they can get better by continuing to adjust priorities in this free agency class. Well, yeah, they can because they can have a better pass rush by understanding that the draft is to supplement what you do now.

Starting point is 00:25:14 and they need to do more now. They just do. They need to do more. Two guards. Katie, Troy, Elizabeth, Duke, whoever the hell. Two guards. Cody doesn't count. Cody is a backup.

Starting point is 00:25:30 I know apparently I haven't read Jeff Hobson. Apparently it was like, yeah, I know I'm going to get a shot. Like, no, Cody, you're not going to get a shot. You're going to get a shot at helping when this team needs you. Like, because what they're going to do is they're going to sign a guard. And then they'll draft a guard in the mid-rounds, and then that guard will compete with Cordell Wilson and Cody Ford. And no, that's not what I want.

Starting point is 00:25:52 I want two starters. I want five linemen where there's no clear, obvious weakness. These guys don't have to be perfect, right? Not perfect. But if you have Tevin and Kevin and Ted and Orlando and Amarius, you feel pretty darn good, especially if it's Cody Ford and a rookie and Matt Lee and insert whoever else you want, you probably have a tackle in there as well. That would be my plan for the offensive line, so I want more.

Starting point is 00:26:21 But the defensive tackle room is very similar because they need more here. And you can't go into the draft saying, oh, man, we're going to pick 17 on Walter Nolan. It can't be that simple because if you do that, you're going to get burned. I've seen this movie, this Bengals movie too many times. Just don't back yourself into a corner. What if the best player at 17 isn't a defensive tackle that can rush the past of the way you want? What if it's a safety?

Starting point is 00:26:58 What if it's insert whatever? What if it's a corner? And so do enough to where you don't have to force that. One, two, can you imagine the Bengals saying we have too many good defensive tackles? It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Like they need to sign a pass rusher on the inside. They just do. And I do think that there are people in the building.

Starting point is 00:27:22 I do know, actually. There are people in the building that feel the same way. So here's to hoping that those people get their way. And they sign a three tech because they need a three tech. And the last time the Bengals made it all the way to the Super Bowl, they had a real three tech. And Larry Ogon Jobi mattered in that Oakland Raiders playoff win at Paycor. To be clear, Larry Ogonjobie would not be my first.

Starting point is 00:27:45 choice and I also reflect. I mean 2021, Larry. Yeah. I mean 2021 Larry, to be clear. Like they need a three tech like that, not current modern day Larry Ogunjobie. And Levi-Ozareke is still out there. And that's a guy that can do more for you than just pass rush. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:28:04 Because that's my concern at this point with the signings they've got on the defensive interior and the two rookies that are going into their second year is that they're going to say, all right. This is the run defense defensive tackle grouping we have on the field. I hope they don't throw. And all right, this is the pass rushing defensive tackle unit we have on the field. I hope they don't run. And that's something that Justice Mosquado pointed out was a problem for the Green Bay Packers.

Starting point is 00:28:31 And they employed T.J. Slaten, of course, when he was on the field, the splits for run defense were great. The splits for past defense weren't so great. So not only do they need a pass rusher here, but it would be great to have a do-it-all guy so that you're not going one-dimensional too much with your personnel packages and giving up too much in one direction or the other. And that is a challenge, I think, at this point in free agency, maybe before free agency even started, quite frankly, on the interior of the defensive line. But especially when you look at the edge situation, got to be able to do both to some degree. You can't just be nothing one way or the other based on your personnel. And Malik Collins is that.

Starting point is 00:29:13 He's a past rusher and he's not the run stopper. But it's a name that I would mention. But yeah, they, maybe they find that guy in the draft. I just can see it now, right? They don't add another defensive tackle. Like from a pushing the 53-man roster standpoint. And then they draft one. And then one injury and suddenly it feels much different.

Starting point is 00:29:40 And that's what I hate. It's like address this now. Go get one now. And we'll see if they do. I'm with you. I'm with you, by the way. Levi. Levi, Kevin and Tevin.

Starting point is 00:29:52 The triplets, baby. That's what they call them. Sure. Why not? I mean, I don't know if they do. Oh, we do. They do as in we do. If they get all three, we're calling them the triplets.

Starting point is 00:30:06 We'll, yeah, we'll get shirts made. Kevin, Tevin, and Levi. shirts done Locked on Bengals after dark Trench monsters Can you imagine if they did that? Like you know damn well they're not going to do that But could you imagine

Starting point is 00:30:24 It would be great for them to start making moves That could help us to think That at this point in free agency They've made moves on paper That have them on track to being a better team in 2025 It's always been the goal And they have to get there Not there yet.

Starting point is 00:30:42 Until next time, that's going to do it this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Thanks for listening. Ho day. And have a good one.

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