Locked On Bengals - Daily Podcast On The Cincinnati Bengals - WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! | Cincinnati Bengals inactivity in free agency is embarrassing

Starting point is 00:00:00 72 hours of inactivity for the Cincinnati Bengals outside minor deals is quite frankly at this point astounding. I cannot tell you what they're doing, but we're going to try to talk about it. Let's go. You are locked on Bengals, your daily Cincinnati Bengals podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. What up Bengals fans and welcome to another episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast where we're more active than the team. cover. I'm Jake Liskow, he's James Rupin, and we are Lockdown Bengals on the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. And as we continue to cover free agency here, if you're

Starting point is 00:00:46 new to the show, you've missed all week. Yesterday was a big rant episode. We've talked about the guys that they have signed in episodes this week. And today, we continue to be perplexed at why the Bengals have been so inactive in such a critical period where there were clear priorities for this team. If you are new to this show, show you can hit that subscribe button you can hit the bell make sure you don't miss an episode on youtube and if you follow the podcast wherever you get your podcast if you're just listening that'll make it really easy for you to not miss an episode like all you everydayers out there and all of the lockdown bangles insiders who are subscribed to join subtext.com

Starting point is 00:01:21 slash lockdown bengals who are in the know of everything we know here on lockdown bengals and james it's another day of nothing for a moment it looked like there'd be something but it turns out that as of 10.34 p.m. Eastern time, somehow for a third straight day, we have no external free agent signings to talk about. It's embarrassing. That's what it is. It's embarrassing.

Starting point is 00:01:46 Let's call it like it is now. This is supposed to be the most important offseason in Bengals history. And yes, I think I have the best job in the world. I'm also tired. And the crazy part is I'm tired of all the inactivity. like you're supposed to be building something and i i think t j slayton who i met today seems like a really nice guy they should have added like five t j slayton's by now a lot of guys entering their second contracts that could be part of this core for the next few years like that's that's what

Starting point is 00:02:22 this free agency period was supposed to be about and just talking with various media members today when I was at Paycor Stadium. And again, I'm making it very clear. Media members, I was like, they're just going to add a guard and that's it, huh? Like, that's it. Like, that's what they're going to do. And no one pushed back. And if I would have told you that two weeks ago,

Starting point is 00:02:48 that they would come into free agency and they wouldn't have any of their big three signed. The Trey Hendrickson thing continues to just, is there new news? I'm not sure. It doesn't feel like it. And they gave him this permission to seek a trade. And it just whatever. It's all muddy now.

Starting point is 00:03:08 Like pretty predictable. But. And their team just isn't better. And I keep coming back to the Joe point. And I don't think Joe's pressing panic right now. But he's watching. He's looking. He sees K. LeVon Chase on sign a five million.

Starting point is 00:03:28 dollar deal. He sees the Eagles go get a pass rusher. What's his name for one and a half million dollars today? He sees the Eagles fill in the margin. I mean, they added multiple veterans. The past archer, the Kansas City

Starting point is 00:03:44 traded for me. What was in New England? Yeah, Josh Huchet for one and a half million bucks. What? What the hell are they doing? Answer this question, Jake. Could they rush the passer last year? I would say

Starting point is 00:04:00 one guy could. One guy could. Well, that guy, you don't even know if he's going to be on your roster, right? So the answer is no, they couldn't. Because the one guy that could, you don't know technically if he's going to be on the roster or not right now. And they've added nothing to bolster their pass rush. It's unbelievable. And there's just, there's no way, like a rebuilding team, I get it, like if they're

Starting point is 00:04:26 truly rebuilding. go tell those veterans in that locker and they're rebuilding. Go tell Joe Burrow that he's going to have no shot in his age 28 season to win a Super Bowl. That's wild. And yet they're putting him in that position right now. That's what's happening. And they can salvage it. But the margin for error now is super thin and they have to be way more aggressive than anyone that's close to the team expects them to be.

Starting point is 00:04:55 So it would have to be a shocker. starting right now at 1037 Eastern time on Thursday night. And it's generally been a slow free agency for the entire NFL, especially since day one of the legal negotiating window on Monday. That's not an excuse. There are clear targets out there for the Bengals at multiple positions that could improve the team where there are clear needs for improvement. Those are moves the Bengals can make today.

Starting point is 00:05:24 the Bengals by my accounting, this includes rookies, at least in this calculation, and it includes dead cap hits, have $27 million in top 51 offseason cap space. And we've seen the deals now for multiple guys. There's still some details up in the air for T.J. Slateon, depending on what's pro-rated in his contract and what's not. If they were to sign all three guys that are in the air for extensions, including T. Hendrickson with Jamar, Jason T. Higgins, I would estimate that they still have about $10 million plus or minus in cash to pay out, accounting for all the other expenses that they hold money aside for. But they don't know the answer on those three guys. So let me ask you this, James.

Starting point is 00:06:13 Is this an example of the Bengals' rigidity and cap management style? which is to minimize dead money and something that we rung hands over with the T. Higgins contract, the Jemar Chase contract, the Trey Hendrickson question, where since they don't know where those things are going to land exactly,

Starting point is 00:06:35 they're inactive outside of maybe one priority for a guard, which honestly has been days since we had an update on that. Like, who knows if they're even still in on Taven Jenkins, who we thought they've been waiting for a couple of days. At this point, I'm starting to question even that. But could it be as simple as they're so bad at cat foresight and money management and so uncreative in that aspect that they're just like, how well, we don't know exactly. So we better be safe. We better be safe and see how it falls.

Starting point is 00:07:09 I mean, I'm just trying to figure out what's going on. We talked about this. We talked about how important it was for them to have T. Higgins done before. the negotiating window because of the way they structure stuff because of their comfort level because of all of those things we said oh well they can fit in whatever but we know how they operate we know that they play it safe we know i mean they they want to be the dead cap champions lowest dead money gets a gets a ring every year i mean who gives a damn like honestly like that's that's so silly like that element is silly because and I'm not saying throw money around it's it's so funny you see these people on social

Starting point is 00:07:56 that that defend this and it's like no one's saying throw money around and be irresponsible but you're never like you will not win in any profession you're in being passive very rarely does that work are there exceptions sure but most of the time you have to be pretty darn aggressive most of the time you're going to have to take leaps of faith with really in any profession any line of things and so with this one it's like all right well do you want to win a ring or not well if you do and you're in win now mode which they're supposedly in and i wrote that and i got pushed back hey that's their words they're in win now mode they want to win i don't know how they can view this as a a productive period i don't know where they got better how they got better how they got better how they

Starting point is 00:08:46 appeased, satisfied their most important players, and at the same time, improve their roster. And it doesn't take a genius to know how to improve their roster. Pass rush guards, keep your stars, add some good draft picks and roll. Like, it's really not that hard to figure out what they need. And so, yeah, I do wonder that. It's a good question. We talked about it before. the negotiating window opened, would T, would Jamar, they do plan that.

Starting point is 00:09:21 Like, oh, well, we're planning on getting this extension done. So, you know, you leave a little room. Who knows? Who knows? But if that's the case, man, yish, this is, then the moves aren't coming and then it's a failure. Because if they just bring back the stars, even if they pay all three, that's still not enough. You have to do more. and they haven't done squat in three days. And we've said that too,

Starting point is 00:09:47 that just bringing those guys back is not improving the team. It's keeping important players that made you okay in the first place, good on offense in the first place. Anyway, there's more on this conversation, including why the Bengals probably should hire a GM and what the Bengals can do to try to salvage this thing over the next couple of days when they generally haven't been great in free agency at this point.

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Starting point is 00:11:31 the Mike Brown greeting for Andre Smith when Andre Smith had freshly signed his deal. Yeah. And I bring all that up to say, Duke Tobin, as far as we know, is not negotiating the biggest contracts for the Cincinnati Bengals. That's a blackburns. That's predominantly Katie's job. Yes. Other teams have general managers that do this job, not lawyers.

Starting point is 00:12:04 Maybe the GM is also a lawyer, but that's part of a GM's job. And so when the Bengals get their valuations for players and then stick to them and talk about how more money is just something they're not willing to do or if they're thinking about what was it Darius Hayward Bay as a comparison for Andre Smith at the time that they just weren't going to go that way and it's very easy to think about those conversations decades ago right that was that was more than 20 years ago now maybe not quite yeah it was close to it it was 2009 okay so not quite two decades ago but and and apply that to what we're dealing with today where the Bengals have these numbers in their heads and they just stick to them instead of

Starting point is 00:12:48 and then that just makes me wonder like where do these numbers come from who is coming up with the evaluations for players and how high they're willing to go and then it just brings you back to hmm the old maybe the Bengals should hire a GM conversation that's been occurring

Starting point is 00:13:06 for the last truly decades like 30 40 years yeah I think the Andre stuff is so interesting and and i i get it mike brown was absolutely right to say the shape in shape stuff andre smith was out of shape held out this is before the rookie wage scale so there's a lot there there's a different cb a for sure but just like projecting the the negotiating style forward that that's very plausible the the dare no doubt the darius heyward bay stuff so he was drafted seventh and then

Starting point is 00:13:41 anyways we don't need who cares to your point point. One, I want Hard Knocks to be that awesome again. That was awesome. Yeah. Two, thank God the banks exist. Did you see Andre Smith's agent walking out? Yeah. And I looked and I was like, you can see the ballpark. Like I can't even remember. And I was at the stadium at Paul Brown at the time in 2009. I can't even remember what it looked like back. I think goodness that it's transformed and it just feels different and looks different. But yeah, the answer is yes. Like from a negotiating standpoint, like think about all of the things that have changed since 2009 to now.

Starting point is 00:14:22 Or from 99 to 09 to now. And they've gone in sagas and in stages. And you look at it now and there is no way in hell that Joe Burroughs deal should have gotten done the Thursday before the first game. And he shouldn't have had to sign it on that Saturday and then get on the plane. to Cleveland. That is insane. That impacted that game. Now, I'm not saying that's why they lost, but that impacted that game as much as the calf and all the stuff that the rain, that the exact is the craziest rain ever. I don't care. You can't have that with your franchise. That should have been done weeks prior. And so when you have that stuff lingering,

Starting point is 00:15:06 it affects guys. Jamar. It affects you. And in reality, someone should have said last year, Hey, if you can get Jamar Chase under contract for the next six seasons, no other receiver has done that. You can push the envelope guarantee wise here. You can push the envelope from a salary standpoint because you can spread it over six years. Whatever they would have offered. They could have offered it $40 million per year. Last year, it would be a steal now because they would have had that extra year to work it out and they would have reset the market and it would have been crazy.

Starting point is 00:15:39 And guess what? It would have been fine. And that's the strategy. that needs to change. So to your point, is that, how do they get there? Is this Katie? Is it Troy? Is it Mike? I don't think it's Mike. I don't think Mike has anything to do with it anymore. And there were many, many years. I mean, think about it. Katie was to handle that whole negotiation with Andre. Mike wasn't in that room. So that's what you're looking at and talking about for the past Decade and a half, two decades.

Starting point is 00:16:17 And fine, but they have to tweak it now because it's costing them and it's hurting them, even when they get it right in free agency, and they get it right in the draft, and they get it right with arguably the best quarterback on the planet. It cost them a game. It did. And with Jamar, it cost them at least a game. And you could argue two games because of the, not just the Patriots game, but the Chiefs game. Like, clearly he was not in it in those two games.

Starting point is 00:16:44 like normal Jamar would be. And so, yeah, I think it's a good point by you. And that clip is wild. Again, I want that hard knocks. The NFL should mandate that. I want that. Get rid of the rookie wage scale if we get to see negotiations like that again. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:16:59 I mean, that's what off-season hard-knock should be. Imagine cameras in buildings in the last handful of days here this week. It'll be some good TV. Samajai, we will give you $5. All right. I'm just kidding. I'm kidding, Samaj. Congrats on the deal. I'm excited Samaj's back.

Starting point is 00:17:19 No, I wasn't eating on Samaj. The reason I said Samaj is because I think he could take the joke. I was going to, I have the list of guys here that they've signed, and I was going to use one of the new guys. And I'm like, eh, it's like their family member shows them this clip. They're going to be like, oh, you know, so I use Samaj. I think he would laugh at it. Yeah, they say they need to change.

Starting point is 00:17:39 I don't believe that there's any change coming at this point. I think we're back to like the 1990s in the way they're operating in free agency. And I think we've probably been there for a couple of years in a lot of ways. And the Orlando Brown Jr. signing, the notable exception there. And should, have we told that story recently? Not recently. The gist of it. I mean, you don't need to tell the full version.

Starting point is 00:18:05 It's just that the Bengals weren't in. And I'll let you fill it in from there. But. Yeah. they i don't think they did a really any like deep dive on orlando brown junior in signing him and like when you put together your offseason plan i don't think that they were like hey i remember it was it was a scramble like hey frank have you watched orlando yeah go watch orlando what the hell are you talking about man like what do you mean go watch orlando of course you should

Starting point is 00:18:38 have watched orlando he the moment he because he did he found out of at the combine, he wasn't getting tagged. And that should have been the moment where the Bengals are like, all right, well, let's have a discussion here. And so that just shows, Orlando wanted them and reached out to them. But that just shows you their approach. Like, that was a few years ago. That was fresh off of Super Bowl and an AFC championship game appearance.

Starting point is 00:19:03 And we knew Jonah Williams couldn't really hold up in the AFC North against these big, awesome pass rushers as well as you'd want. So why wouldn't you have been in on Orlando? Why wouldn't you have discussed that? And it was a scramble drill. And that's, that saved their free agency. Up to that point, they had only added and re-signed Germain Pratt. Like that was it.

Starting point is 00:19:26 Remember guys were just going, Jesse Bates had peeled off and Von Bell had peeled off. And they bring back Germain Pratt. And it's like, ticked. And Uncle Mike and Trayvian millions. But, but yeah, nothing. Uncle Mike. I was like, I was like, Mike Hilton. sign. Yeah, my guy, Mike Thomas, yes. But just brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal. It's that vision.

Starting point is 00:19:48 It's that championship mindset and aggressiveness. Of course, you always start with the top free agents. Should we or shouldn't we? Here's why. Here's why not. Next level. But why wouldn't you research? Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense, Jake. Coming up next, let's talk about how they can salvage things. Their track record after early days of free agency as we continue to wait for necessary. necessary moves from the Cincinnati Bengals to put themselves in the position to compete in 2025, and boy am I sick of that sentence. We'll finish the show there next. Ever check your bank account and wonder, where did all my money go? Between dining out,

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Starting point is 00:21:53 the case, then all right. We've got a waiting game with Jerry Jones and the Mike Brown family that we're waiting for Jamar Chase. We'll take a look at what can happen for the Bengals to salvage this free agency because it's still possible. It's possible that we're going to look at our last three episodes, James, come the next time we talk and say, ah, well, they proved us wrong. And I hope that happens. I truly do. I want to cover a team that has the best chance of winning next year. I do.

Starting point is 00:22:22 Before we do that, just a brief trip down memory lane and doing some history here. The Bengalside DJ Reader and Trey Wains on day one, a free agency back in 2020. And then Xavier Suafilo on day two, and then nothing until Josh Binds, we'll be. McKenzie Alexander, days eight, and Von Bell, who came out of nowhere as a late signing on day nine. So if they could repeat that year and find a guy like Von Bell and a guy like Josh Bindson's okay to solid players, late in free agency, or in the case of Von Bell, somewhat transformative for your culture, latent free agency, great. Go to the next year.

Starting point is 00:23:07 Trey Hedrickson, day one, Mike Hilton, Chinobe, Abouziere, day two. Riley Reeve, Larry Ogon Joby, Day 5, Quentin Spain, date night. They were missing the day two signings there. But then you go to the very next year, 2022. It was Ted Karras Alas, Kappa, right away. Fred Johnson was in the mix, too. And then there was a gap. Eli Apple, Hayden, Hurst, day four, Brandon Allen, day four, Lell, Collins, day seven.

Starting point is 00:23:38 It's not very common that the Bengals take this kind of break after this little activity. And you could point to T.J. Slayton and Orrin and resigning their own guys is a bunch of moves they did right at the beginning of free agency. But this kind of gap when there's this kind of clear pressing need is unusual. And that's why we continue to hammer that point and have been repeating ourselves a little bit for three days. Yeah, it's because they should have already had one guard done. They should still be in on Tavin Jenkins. You're right. I haven't heard much on him.

Starting point is 00:24:12 but they should try to get Kevin Jenkins done. They should be in on Brandon Scherf. Like, Shurf needs a ring. He's a veteran and he needs a good pass protector. Why wouldn't he want to block for Joe Burrow? Like, it's course. And by the way, I'm just going to hammer this point home.

Starting point is 00:24:27 They need to sign two starting guards. Like, if they sign one, that's still a need. And there's a plethora of options on the market that make it much less of a need. And you can fill out your starting offensive line now. So why wouldn't you do that? Or at least four options. This floor is four a plethora. Maybe there's five. I mean that well there was six maybe there's six if you count judge or maybe there's six.

Starting point is 00:24:56 You're counting Shaq Mason? I'm not no. Yeah okay we should Shaq Mason's good he's still good. Um, it just the the Houston they fire their OC who's getting head like it's a it was a joke over there. Uh track record's the track record. I think so the point point is there are a bunch of options and they don't have to break the bank on all of them like fine if you spend on tevin jenkins well then maybe you don't get brand and sheriff i would i would already have shirf and stripes i would have had sherf or zitler and stripes probably did want a free agency to be quite honest with you and uh i would have paid zitler double what the titans did i would have given him two for 18 not cared done he's playing at such a high level i mean the titans

Starting point is 00:25:36 i know they're static to get him one year nine million so there's that But the scary part about this is we know they need more pass rush. The options are dwindling in general. And for the second offseason in a row, Callais Campbell and Dalton Reisner are two of the options. Like just go after guys that are going to make you better. And it doesn't have to be Reisner on offense. There's more guard options. But it might have to be Campbell on defense.

Starting point is 00:26:11 And fine, go get him. bring him in he can help you and i hope they do because if if you told me that they were able to get tevin jenkins and insert whatever right guard i'm going to say bril hernandez sure broil hernandez brandon sure even you might not like but you you might think he's done but even shack mason and then they get colias campbell all right like i feel pretty darn good about what they did but I think they may do one of those. One of the three. So after all this, it's like, all right, this is what happens.

Starting point is 00:26:47 This is how you can salvage it and make it a successful free agency. And they may do one of the three. I don't even think they're considering adding two guards right now. And I don't even think they're considering Callais Campbell. And you could throw Zadarius Smith into the mix. Oh, Zedarius Smith. After he was cut, you could throw CJ Mosley into the mix after he was cut. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 00:27:07 I forgot about Zadarius last year, but why not if we're talking about options? Some safeties you could throw into the mix as well. You've mentioned Juan Thornhill. I think I'm also on board for Juan Thornhill, Marcus May. I mean, go down the list.

Starting point is 00:27:21 There's guys out there. Is Thompson still there? Thompson. Or the one safety. It's not Thompson. I don't have our sheet up. The safety that has dealt with some injuries was pretty darn good.

Starting point is 00:27:37 I'm going to need a little bit more than that. Point is. Blackman for me. Yeah. I was never getting to Blackman from Thompson. No. It's been a long week, my friend. Asante Samuel Jr.

Starting point is 00:27:53 Like, you know, like, like, can Asante Samuel Jr. be your Von Bellar? He's just kind of out there still. Like, yeah. They, they sicken me. I mean,

Starting point is 00:28:05 Mike Hilton's just sitting there. Meanwhile. And I'm not saying they should bring Mike Hilton back, but you know what they should do? They should signs Adairius Smith. That's another one. I agree with you. It's four.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Now that Bengals, it's four. You need to sign Zadaria Smith. You need to sign Calaisus Campbell. You need to sign two guards. I'd feel pretty darn good about their depth if you did that. And obviously, you got to handle business with Trey. But can you imagine that? Like, you could have a pretty good pass rush if you did that.

Starting point is 00:28:34 I mean, at least at that point, you're not desperate for multiple positions going into the draft, which is where they are right now. They're looking to fill multiple starter needs in the draft where they're short a pick, and you only have three top two-day, three picks in the first two days of the draft anyway. And meanwhile, Duke Tobin's remarks of the combine just have aged like milk this whole time. Aziz is still there too, by the way. Just throwing out another name, Aziz O'Jlari. Yeah, sure.

Starting point is 00:29:00 You want a rotational piece, great. But not wanting to pay more for the same team, having accomplished that goal, wanted to get an extension done with Tray. having accomplished that goal, wanted to get the multi-year deals done for T quickly. Well, didn't do quickly. Might still get a done period. Wanted to make Jamar the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL. Well, now he's waiting apparently for Michael Parsons. At least that's what people are saying.

Starting point is 00:29:27 So I kind of wonder if Duke was hung out to dry at this point. I mean, my read on it at the time, and we talked about this, I'm pretty sure on the show, when we were analyzing what he had to say was Duke is confident, and he hasn't spoken like this before. Surely he's on the same page with the front office and is to use the word of the day from the combine aligned with the financial interests of the organization and those to sign the checks.

Starting point is 00:29:53 And the further we get away from that, the less that seems to be true. And I wonder what Duke Tobin would say today if we gave him true serum about the way things have gone so far. Maybe we're way off, but I can't imagine he's having. happy. No. How can anyone in that building be happy right now?

Starting point is 00:30:12 I don't know. Anyone. You're not better. You're worse. I don't know. I would not sleep. Like, I would be,

Starting point is 00:30:21 and maybe they're just good at separating it and like that, but like, do they realize, like, let's just say they had a guard. And that's it. And you don't have the best draft in team.

Starting point is 00:30:37 history and things go arrive for a third straight year and you miss the playoffs what do you think happens that the coaches that you just brought in you're questioning them uh Zach is going to be feeling the pressure Joe who knows how he's going to react like there's a ripple effect and that's why they have to do their job now like their Super Bowl is now the front offices it's now and they're wetting themselves down their leg. Like, that's what's happening. It's just they're not doing what they need to be doing. They're like, it'd be like a Joe Burrow through four interceptions

Starting point is 00:31:16 on the first four drives of Super Bowl 56. Like, that's how it feels. And they can rally. But boy, oh, boy, they better rally now. And it doesn't feel great. Well, it's not now at 11.04 p.m. Eastern Time. I just gave the old social media one last refresh year, James, There's nothing.

Starting point is 00:31:35 So that's going to do it for this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. And we have something to tell you, we'll be back. And hopefully that's before Sunday. I mean, really, we'd love to be back before then. Until next time, thanks for listening to this episode of the Lockdown Bengals podcast. Hootay and have a good one.

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