Locked On Broncos - Daily Podcast On The Denver Broncos - AFC Squad: Denver Broncos QB Bo Nix Should Be NFL Rookie of the Year

Episode Date: November 28, 2024

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Was last week a dream around the AFC? No, it was not. It's time for the AFC squad. You are talking ball with the AFC squad. From the Chiefs to the Bills, the Ravens to the Texans and everyone else around the AFC, it's the local experts of the Locked-on podcast network bringing you scoops, breakdowns, and the most comprehensive preview of the upcoming weekend for hard-hitting AFC football with our harder-hitting takes.

Buckle up. It's the AFC squad, and we have a... a seat for you. No hurt feelings allowed. Squad up. You're part of the AFC squad. Hey, hey, hey, welcome into another AFC squad here on the Lockdown podcast network where you know it is your team every day.

Sit back, grab your favorite beverage and get ready to talk about the wild week that was week 12. Not only just around the AFC, I just think even the NFL, there were some thriller games coming down to the final minute, some overtime stuff. But ultimately, it brings you all the way here. Thanksgiving week as we set the table, pun intended there. Thanksgiving week for week 13. You get all that here on the Lockdown AFC squad here.

Brought to you by our friends over there at Fandul and start the season with a big return on Fandul. New customers can place a $5 bet and you'll get started with $150 in bonus bets. If you win your first $5 bet, visit Fanduel.com to get started. I'm your host. As always Cody Rourke. I host a Lockdown Broncos podcast. We're joined today by John Hickman, one of the hosts over there, Lockdown Texans, Mike DeBate, Locked on Patriots, Chris Clark of Locked on Chiefs.

And I don't know, up to the minute there, the cheese saying, you know, I don't know how you're feeling, Chris. There was a little bit of a nail bit of a nail biter there in Carolina. We'll get to that. Kevin Ostriker of the Lockdown Ravens podcast, winner of the Hard Bob Bull on Monday night football. David Droganmeyer of the Lockdown Chargers podcast. Kind of the runner up in the Harbob Bowl there. We'll break it all down. And look, I know it's Thanksgiving week.

And David, I was very curious, you know, are you going to invite Quentin Johnson over for Thanksgiving? because I'm a little worried if you try to hand him the turkey's going to drop it. You know, you never know. Yeah, of course. You had to go there. You had to go there. I live in Temple, Texas, actually. That is Quentin Johnson's hometown.

So if he was coming home for Thanksgiving, I would absolutely extend him a seat at my table. Yes, it sucks whenever you drop a ball like that, that obviously had all kinds of green grass in front of them. You honestly, you probably scores a touchdown on that because the blocks were set up. beautifully had receivers and strategic points to block down the field. But you can't catch the ball before you run. Okay. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So unfortunately, he just wasn't, you know, had a concentration drop. And after that, it, you could see his confidence just leave, uh, leave it because he had dropped two or three right after that. Body language. Justin. Even on the side of the ball, uh, trying to get him back, uh, you know, get that confidence back. But man, it's such a fickle thing, guys. You know, you, you, you, you drop one. one turns into four and then all of a sudden you're losing a football game that you had every opportunity to win. Hey, I was with Jerry Judy at one point. All right.

So we're, you know, I understand that there, David. But, you know, obviously, it's good to have a leader like Justin Herbert. You know, I still went to bat for his guy there. We're going to take a look. I mean, obviously, we're going to break down the, the AFC here in week 12. We're going to go around the room here. John Hickman, let's start things off with you, my man. Locked on Texans.

You know, obviously, C.J. Stroud getting Nico Collins back. That's been a big thing that we've been kind of high. highlighting here in these shows. I know it's been a buildup since he was on IR with the hamstring injury. Unfortunately, they fall short to Will Levis and the Tennessee Titans. What happened with the Texans last week? The same thing that's been happening all year. They can't score points in the second half. The defense in the last 18 quarters, I think the last four or five games, the defense has more touchdowns in the second half than the offense. And they were not able to get a touchdown in the second half until it came down to their final drive against Dallas.

and that game was already won. It was a Joe Mixing touchdown, Russian touchdown. Same game that they had a defensive fumble return. So the problem is, hey, in the first half, we got all the confidence in the world that they're going to win the game. The second half rose around in each and every game this year, whether I'm in the press box or whether I'm at home. I think to myself,

Houston can lose this game. And Tennessee, Green Bay, Detroit, New York. Those are games where going into that second half, I thought to myself, Huse Cue lose this game, and that's what happened. So it's just a game. Put it in the universe.

I think they'll be okay. I just think you're running into some issues right now. You mentioned you can't score. You got a good run game there with Joe Mixing, but the reality is like, hey, you just got a fine way to put up points consistently. I think that'll iron itself out. But speaking of teams,

needing to put up points. Mike, come on. What? Covering the Denver Broncos here, right? We're watching this AFC playoff race. right now. Denver's in the wild card of the seventh spot right now, but Miami's been creeping up. We needed the Patriots to take care of business a little bit. They couldn't do it. What's going on with the Patriots, Mike? Yeah, we definitely wanted to take care of more business than we could

for you, Cody, but unfortunately, the New England Patriots just continue to bury themselves with sloppy play, undisciplined play, and you're not going to win football games in that fashion. The Patriots do not have enough talent to be able to rise above that and move above that. 10 accepted penalties against the New England Patriots on Sunday, completely unacceptable. You cannot win at any level when you're doing stuff like that. So the New England Patriots have a lot of soul searching to do. They need to find a way to protect Drake May. One of the biggest problems heading into this matchup against the Miami Dolphins, in my opinion,

was going to be second-year offensive linemen, Trey Jacobs, who does not have a tremendous amount of experience, really struggles when you go against an edge. that can really turn a wide or a very prominent corner, that's a big problem. And Chop Robinson absolutely ate him alive on Sunday and kept Drake May under a lot of duress. It led to shoddy decision-making. And then on the defensive side of the ball, you're not seeing the Patriots make adjustments, the way they have in years past.

When a team is going at you and they're attacking you in a certain way, New England just does not have either the ability or the indifference to make adjustments either at the half or during the game to be able to play to the other team's strengths or at least try to neutralize them. So it's just a mess right now in New England, but to score points, you've got to have the talent and you've got to have the coaching in place. Drake May, I think, is a solid addition to this team, and I think he's going to be, but they're not going to win with the supporting cast around him right now.

We're going to throw it over now. Chris Clark locked on Chiefs, and I tell you what, the Cardiac Kids, down there in Kansas City on the road of Carolina. Breishing, I don't know what it is. there seems to be a trend here with the Denver Broncos. They're either playing teams and making it so bad for other teams at times. They're forcing their head coaches to get fired or they're forcing changes. But all of a sudden, they face Bryce Young.

And all of a sudden, now he's starting to snap into a little bit of a productive, nice little quarterbacks finding his groove a little bit. What's going on with Kansas City, Chris? Because I know one thing you've talked about is they're in these close games. And I know you said that you would love to just be part of one game where your heart is not racing at the end of the game there for Kansas City. So what's happening? This should have been one of those games.

And they have another one coming up this week on Friday against the Raiders. And it shouldn't be a close game because they just lost Gardner-Minschu. But my guess is in the fourth quarter, it's going to come down to who scores last. And that is something that I absolutely hate. This team just can't put teams away right now. The other thing I will say is every single week, it seems like the teams that Kansas City plays gives them their best shot. Go back and watch some of that game. Bryce Young made throws.

I haven't seen him make all season long. And it was just him throwing the ball and his receiver went and got it. And you know, you're going to get beat sometimes. That happens. Obviously, you want to play better defense. They haven't been able to get to the quarterback. I think they have a total maybe 22 sacks on the year. They had 55 in 18 games last year.

They're way off that pace. Can't get the quarterback down on the ground. Chris Jones, I don't think, has a sack in seven games, seven straight games now, going into eight this week. against the Raiders. He'll get one against Houston. Well, John, I would like to think that he would, but I'm not so sure about that with the way it's been going.

He's still getting pressure. He's just not getting home. They don't have somebody helping him, but they do have a lot of reinforcements coming. Isaiah Pacheco is probably going to be back this week. I don't know if Charles Minnehue is back this week, but he is going to probably be back when they take on the chargers on Sunday Night Football after this weekend.

So I expect him back for that. Yeah, David, I'm sure. you're excited about that one. I do expect Pacheco back this week, and that's going to be a good one. But then they also have Hollywood Brown possibly coming back by the end of December, and you're looking at maybe around Christmas time, you'll have Hollywood

Brown back. So you have a Chief's team that's 10 and 1. They're not playing great. I can tell you, based on my heart monitor, that I am highly stressed throughout the game, because it says that I'm highly stressed throughout the game, every single week that they play,

and I wish I could have a game where they just blew somebody out. I thought it was going to be this week. It looked good start. Didn't end up that way. They got the win. It is what it is, though. I mean, you find a way to win. And I will say one thing, Mike, I disagree with you. Teams cannot win with 10 penalties unless you're the Kansas City Chiefs and you're playing a bad team in Carolina because they did that against Carolina. And that's one of the reasons that they didn't blow Carolina out is because they got down to a scoring area and then got multiple holding penalties in multiple different drives. They finally called it.

Let's not talk about the refs in the Kansas City Chiefs, all right? Let's let's not do that. Oh, don't even get it. Okay. We're going, man. Oh, my God. Oh, no. My blood pressure is so high.

I'm 10 and my team is 10 and 1. Oh, no, it's so bad. The sky is falling. Give me a break. I didn't say the sky was falling. I said it's not fun watching games where they can't beat somebody. It should not have been a game. That Carolina.

me about it. Oh, I know. I agree with you. Tell us about it. Yeah, Kevin, let's say, it's a choir you're preaching to right now. Kevin, let's kick it to you. Obviously, the Baltimore Ravens, John Harbaugh coming out, victorious in the Harbaugh, we heard from the Chargers side of things. They dealt with some drops. And obviously, that impacted some of the men in this game. We've seen the Ravens capitalize on little mistakes. You make a mistake against them. They find a way to create an explosive play out of it. That was the case. Big win for them on Monday night. But then, you know what, now they got also a short term round this week. as well. Your thoughts here on the Ravens there. And then throw it to throw here because Broncos fans are

killing me hosting these shows. They're like, you don't talk about the Broncos. I'm like, it's weird for me as the host to try to talk about the team that I cover. Like just to like, all right, guys, let's talk about Denver now. So you answer the Ravens. I'll throw it to me. Throw it to me a segment to. We'll open up there. All right. Okay. All right. Well, starting off with the Ravens. I mean, this was a game that the Ravens and chargers both needed. And for the Ravens side of things, I think it opens up a lot of possibilities for them because the Ravens destructor can be their savior a couple weeks later. And that man is James Winston. We were on this show talking last week about, was that a trap game

for the Pittsburgh Steelers? And James Winston delivered a gift to Baltimore and said, here you go. Get yourself back in the AMC North race. In Baltimore did that. They couldn't squander. They couldn't squander the W. They couldn't squander it. So they get the job done. Now, part of the reason why Baltimore is able to win this game, I know a lot was made about mistakes. Part of that is Baltimore didn't let their own mistakes get in their way as much as they have in the past. We talk about penalties a lot. Mike talking about 10 penalties and this, that, and the other. The Ravens won this game with nine penalties. They're the most penalized team in the league averaging about eight and a half penalties calling on them per game,

including a phantom holding call. Yeah, 101 through 12 games for the Ravens. They're the only team in triple-based penalties this year. But I thought that a couple of really nice things happened in this game. The Ravens stuck with the run game. The Chargers could do nothing against Eric Henry. He was stiff-arming guys left and right, and they kept going back to that well. And they kept working play action off of that too. And on the defensive side of the ball, I thought that the Ravens' defensive front

did a really good job against Los Angeles's offensive line. And I thought Justin Herbert did a pretty good job of navigating pressure throughout the game. I thought he stepped up in the pocket very well, found some ways to run around it and get out of sacks. But with being pressured that much, it's impossible to get out of all of them. So I thought Baltimore, a lot of high leverage situations. They converted into three, four downs, including from their own 16 yard line, which flipped the game. I know, David, you and Dan are probably going crazy over there.

That's a Harbaugh special. That's, look, I was expect John Harbaugh. That's a John Harbaugh special. Let's be here here. Wild man, John Harbaugh is. He was asked at halftime or, you know, they do like the. halftime interviews now with the coach. So pointless that they do that. I know. I don't agree with it, but it happened. And John Harbaugh has asked about it and he said, well, how far backed up were we again?

I just thought we were going to get it. So they just went off of vibes. They're like, all right, we're just going to do it off of vibes and get the first down from our own 16 yard line. So they go 8 to 15 on third down. I thought Baltimore did a good job of executing at a high level. I thought that's how they did a good job of trying to win this game. But I know in the wild card, race, Baltimore, Los Angeles, still in it. So was Denver. You like that transition, Cody? I try to. I like that. That's fantastic. We'll talk about that, obviously, as well as the NFL award races that are going around out, MVP, and also rookie of the year from the AFC perspective, who's in it, who's not. We'll break that down as we're here on today's squad episode.

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award races inside the AFC. We'll highlight MVP rookie of the year, offensive rookie of the year as it pertains to some prospects around the AFC real quick. We've got to talk about the Denver Broncos because look, I don't talk about them enough on here. I feel like that's why I always like to have Sarah on here because like I want to host and drive the show. It just doesn't make sense for me to talk about, you know, to start off. But Kevin threw it to me. So them are the rules.

I want to get your guys quick thoughts on this before we get into the NFL award races here. Obviously, the Broncos a little bit of surprise more so than I think a lot of people had expected them early on in this season. You know, you have a rookie quarterback in Boe Nix. And John was saying it early on. He's like, I hate it on Bo Nicks for a little bit. I was hated. to the first two weeks.

I was here. But he's turned it around and now he's legitimate because this kind of ties in perfectly. Now he's in the rookie of the year conversation alongside Jaden Daniels of the commanders. The Broncos 7 and 5 and obviously Denver this weekend beating the Las Vegas Raiders. Chris, David, obviously when you look at the AFC West perspective right there, kind of opening things up a little bit, your guys' thoughts on the Broncos from an outsider's perspective. Just being completely wrong about that team.

And Sean Payton, honestly, I really started to not like Sean. Payton as a coach. Just how he kind of handled everything when he first got to Denver, even before he started coaching the game. But honestly, when somebody's doing that job and doing the will, you got to give them props. Got to take emotions out of it. And Sean Payton and Bo Nix have been working well together. I think Bo Nix, as of right now, he's my favorite to win offensive rookie of the year. He's played some damn good football. And I think because of his story, a lot of people were shocked that he was a first round pick. And he's shutting a lot of people up on the field. So I've got nothing but good things to say about Bo Nix. I don't know how long

that run is going to continue, but as of right now, he's my favorite to win a rookie of the year for the offensive side of the ball. I told everybody who would kind of listen about Bo Nix that it was going to take some time for him to adjust his game to the NFL level, right? So, you know, the NFL level speeds, it's a lot faster. And you got to, you got to make decisions a lot quicker, especially at the quarterback position, which, you know, hey, you know, there's a lot more a lot that you have to undertake. He's learning a new offense. I thought it was going to take six to eight games for things to start to slow down,

start to click. And that's kind of what's happened so far. So, hey, yeah, I definitely feel like, you know, he's probably the front runner for the AFC rookie of the year. Got to throw my guy Joe Alt in there too.

I know, obviously they don't get the glory. You know, you know, he's not going to win it. He's not going to win it. He's one of the, he's one of the best tackles in the league already.

Back to Bow Nix. Yeah, I hate to see it in the division. I was enjoying the carousel, the quarterback carousel that the Denver Broncos were throwing out there week after week after year after year. It's funny. You talk about, you know, carouseling quarterbacks and you had the chargers there for a couple of years. Obviously, they have Herbert now. Now you have Bownex in Denver.

Now the question is who's going to be the QB in Las Vegas? Obviously, that's going to be a big question. I know we're talking about Boe Nix, but the reality. is this division is just continuing to get harder and harder and harder. Chedur. Yeah, probably. Probably. Yeah, we'll see if Deion to let them go there.

You know, he might pull it Eli and make it traded. Shedur and Tom Brady are very close. And if Tom's going to have any say in that organization, that very interesting, but he can't tamper though. That's the thing. You got to watch for tampering. That'd be the most Raiders thing ever. You have to wonder if Dion's going to be trying to get into a head coaching gig in the NFL. So, I mean, that all kind of plays into it.

But Bo Nex is playing fantastic football. I was not impressed the first couple of games. Like you said, David, struggled the first couple of games. Cody, you know, you said that as well. We've talked about that. But he has come on. He's now seeing the field a lot better. And the big thing that the Broncos have going against them right now is they don't have

the cap space to be able to add talent around him because they're getting out of the Russell Wilson deal. That well. But this year, They don't. They will in the near future. So they're going to be able to build around him. And I think that's going to be a big thing for this division going forward. And I will say this.

It was really weird rooting for the Ravens last night against the Chargers. Hey, you could do it more often if you wanted to. You can do it more often if you wanted to. Oh. Hey. You know, every day. We'll see you in a few weeks. It's going to be very huge when you look at the playoff implications.

I'm still sticking firm. I still think that the NFL playoff should expect. for conferences based on record, not necessarily like, hey, you can have the worst record in your entire division to still be the fourth seed. I just don't like that. Like, we'll see how that out pans out in the future. The NFL, if they want to make it more fun, you might change it up a little bit here. But, you know, let's kind of segue here because I felt like we just spent a lot of time

here on Bow Nix and obviously, you know, props from everyone that was able to share it from the outside perspective, certainly seen a lot of growth from him. I definitely think he's the favorite here for rookie the year. And when we talk about like offensive rookie of the year, I'm going to also throw something into the AFC West hat a little bit. Despite what he's working with, I think Brock Bowers has been fantastic for the he's been able to do. As much as everyone here dislikes the Raiders.

He's a fantasy team savior. Yes. He's coming up big. And look, he doesn't have much around him right now. And maybe Daniel Jones makes his decision by the time this episode publishes on all the the feeds there out there on the lockdown podcast network. But I definitely think way to throw in Brock Bowers name here for offensive rookie of the year from what he's been able to do, considering who's throwing him the ball. I mean, it's a rough situation there.

They find a way to get a really good quarterback in that situation. I think Brock is going to be a little bit of an explosive hybrid guy that is going to be a hard I'll see it when I believe it. This kid is off to, yeah, Cody, this kid is off to a historic start. I'm so glad that you mentioned Brock Bowers. There was first nine games. He had more receiving yards for any tight end. The only other two that had more, Mike Ditka, Kyle Pitts.

So, I mean, that's a pretty good crew to be in right there. And then you talk about, you know, things that he's able to do. He's doing this all as a 21-year-old. And again, he's doing it on a team that's not showing a whole lot. I keep watching this kid. And I remember Bill Belichick from the days of his coaching here in New England and how he loved to take opposing tight ends out of the game. He wanted to have all the good ones on his side.

And he had arguably the best in the game in Rob Grunkowski, maybe the best of all time in Grunk doing what he did. But you just know that Belichick's going to come. come out of retirement and going to try to call it double 89 to get this guy out of the game. So, you know, that's the type of command that he's, that's the type of attention. He's going to command. Yeah, I love what I see from Brock Bowers. I really think that's a good drop.

Well, there's also another award we've got to talk about real quick. We'll go a little rapid fire because then we obviously got to get into our third segment of the day. NFL MVP. Kevin, your Baltimore Ravens. Lamar Jackson has been in that conversation facing off against the Philadelphia Eagles, who now I feel like Sequan Barkley this past week really kicked down the door and saying, hey, I deserve to be in the MVP conversation.

I think if he doesn't win MVP, Seekwon, I definitely think it's an easy shoeing from to win offensive player of the year in the NFL for what he's been able to do. That was insane. No, no. Tell me. Talk to us, John. Why?

No, no. The MVP should not be just a quarterback award. Sequin Barclay is the most valuable player in the NFL for a team that if they put their pride aside, And if they hand the ball off to Saquan Barkley and don't try to force Jalen Hertz to go out there and do anything unnecessary, the Eagles should possibly be representing the NFC in the Super Bowl, either them or Detroit. That's how it's going to go down. But Saquan Barkley right now, I mean, he does so many things offensively.

He hides a lot of the deficiencies from Jalen Hertz, and a lot of times we've seen Jalen Hurts hurt that offense. Just, you know, plain and simple with some of his errand throws and bad decisions. decisions. Say Quine, if you hand the ball off, then now you're limiting 50% of the inaccuracies or the problems that Jalen Hurst bring. He is the most valuable player in the NFL. And I hate the fact that we just regarded the MVP award for quarterbacks. It is trying that way. Unfortunately. Should have won that award, you know, once before. So, agreed. No, he is the most valuable player. Lamar can win offensive player of the year. That's all fine and dandy.

But the NFL has to say, you know what, we got a break. break it at some point. And Sequan's performance was the MVP performance. Yeah. Create position awards and then create like an MVP award, right? Like do it how college does and it says, I know everyone's like all pros. I don't care about all pros and none of that stuff. Create like an actual something for like the players, you know, itself there. Kevin, I want to ask you this because look, Madden has not added a Lamar Jackson animation into the game, but yet they added the backwards hurdle for Sequant from it from your perspective. Lamar Seekwan, how are you leaning, despite your Raven affiliation.

I mean, what you know is going to be Lamar Jackson, and it's not just because of the Ravens affiliation, it's because, and I hear John what you're saying, I get it. I think that we shouldn't automatically assume an MVP is going to be a quarterback. I don't think it's fair. You got to consider everybody. But when I think about most valuable player, the most valuable position in the league is quarterback.

So when you take Sequin Barkley off the Eagles, let's take them off. They're a worst football team. but let's add a middling running back. I don't know. Let's put DeAndre Swift back on that team, I'd say they lose more games because they don't have Seguan and they have DeAndre Swift,

but I don't think it's that far of a fall off, considering if you take Lamar off of the Ravens or Allen off of the Bills or the Holmes off of the chiefs or whatever that looks like. And it's about the most valuable player being recognized. And Lamar Jackson is number one in passing touchdowns, number one in passing yards for a quarter of, quarterback that's been criticized his entire career,

bro, he doesn't throw for a lot of passing yards. He's not, he's not throwing the ball a lot. He's not accurate, which was never really true in the first place. He had to grow as a passer. He had to grow as a football player, but he's growing into that.

He's number one in total yards, number one in total touchdowns, number one in passerating, number one in rushing yards. We can go on and on and on with Lamar Jackson here. So there are a lot of players who are worthy. He's got to maintain it, though. Five games left.

But he's done it through 12. So I'll say, Sayquan is in the conversation, but I still think that when you talk about the MVP, consider everybody, consider all positions, 100%. But the way that it is, most valuable player to me is if you take a star quarterback off of a roster and you replace it with, let's say, Daniel Jones, that Ravens team wins like three games. If you take Sequin off the Eagles and put DeAndre Swift on there, I'd probably say they would.

I don't know. I go back to the Thai-Huntly years. I wouldn't say three games. but also I don't think it's fair to compare a quarterback to another position. I just think I hate the conversation because you're never ever going to be able to find a player that does more for a football team than a quarterback does. It's just never a fair comparison. Well, what if that said player is making your quarterback's job, I mean, that much easier.

I mean, like, if you just hand the ball off to Saquan, you don't necessarily have to worry about Jalen Hurst with another turnover. I think that is what Sequin does dating back to the New York Giants and then, you know, the year that he's going and say, you know, we can't do. I won't even ask Giants fans about them right now. I'm not going to say that Lamar isn't in the MVP conversation. We're probably even leading it right now. But here's my question. Where is he without Derek Henry this year? How much is that different?

Yeah, that's what John, yeah, that's what we're saying. That's, John's point. I agree. Save your thoughts for that because we're going to continue this conversation here. on Squat Show. Because guess what, it's Thanksgiving week. We're going to set the table a little bit. Let me look at some week 13 games and end it with a little bit of fun here on the AFC Squat Show. You're part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day. Today's AFC Squat Show was also brought to you by friends over there at Fandu.

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other matchups of hosts that aren't represented here but also compare this matchup to like a thanksgiving dish so to speak right uh there's there's some really good matchups here let's start off here. AFC West, Chris Clark. We're going to start with you. Raiders, Chiefs. Talk about this matchup real quick in 30 or seconds or less and also compare it to maybe Thanksgiving dish. What type of Thanksgiving dish is this matchup? Well, it definitely isn't the turkey. It isn't the main course. I will say that this game really shouldn't be that good of a game. Brock Bowers is playing fantastic, but the Raiders are going to have a QB question. And we don't even know who the QB is going to be right now as

as it sits. Aiden O'Connell could be back. It could be Desmond Ritter. Who knows who it's going to be. I don't think this is going to be that great of a game. I think it's going to be one of those sides. Maybe Green Bean Casserol type thing. It's just going to be one of those sides. Maybe people like it. Maybe they don't. I'm hoping that it's maybe not even a close game. And the stress level is low. I'm hoping that for you as well, my friend. I'm hoping you all have a great Thanksgiving. John Hickman, Houston, Texans, Jacksonville, Jaguars. Your quick thoughts on this game. And which, which you're Thanksgiving dish best represents this matchup. You know, man, my thoughts on this game is I'll wait to see the one score game that the Houston Texans either barely lost or barely won. There's no faith that they're going to blow a team out right now. There's no faith that they're going to handle business like they're supposed to against bad teams.

Again, we've seen several bad teams way under 500 teams beat the Houston Texans this year. If I were to compare it to a Thanksgiving dish, Man, it'll probably just be, you know, somebody that they told run to the store to get cranberry sauce. Nobody really cares. If we have it, we have it if not. Another gravy or something, something somebody else brought will make do. That's how I feel about this game right now. That's how I feel about the Houston, Texas right now.

All right, fair enough. We like that. Mike debate, locked on Patriots. All right, hey, the Colts at the Patriots. everyone in Broncos country is hoping that the Patriots can take care of business here in this game. Your thoughts on this in which dish best represents it? Well, this game to the New England Patriots doesn't hold much significance other than to play spoiler. And I know they'd still love to play spoiler. Look, I don't care what these two teams

have in terms of personnel. There is still a disdain for the horseshoe in New England. You don't want the Colts to come in and beat you in the first game after Thanksgiving. So New England's going to try to keep this game competitive. The Colts are definitely coming and playing for something. That could be a recipe for disaster for New England, but if they can hit their marks and they can take advantage on third down, this team can win. They can play with anybody when they're playing that game.

So for Broncos fans and all the other fans out there that are hoping the Patriots can win this, there is a chance. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to steal too much of what John said, but I mean, there's a cranberry bog right next to our stadium for God's sake. So I got to compare this dish to a cranberry sauce, maybe a can of Ocean Spey cranberry sauce. You know, the cranberry sauce that comes up with a can of dog food, that's pretty much what the New England Patriots games are right now.

But, yeah, I mean, that being said, I mean, I know a lot of people love it out there. But yeah, it's just not pretty stuff in New England right now. David Jogamire, host, the lockdown charges. Chargers facing a Falcons team coming off the buy. We know the Falcons defense has struggled a little bit this year. They can't get pressure on the quarterback. Ironically enough, the Chargers are facing the birds. I don't know if I'm making a little bit of a tie in here, but your thoughts here.

Yeah. So this game, another team that the Chargers are facing off of extra rest when they have a least amount of rest playing on Monday night football, it just seems like that's how it is for Jim Harbaugh's Chargers this year. Everything's a little bit more difficult. But, you know, hey, the Denver Broncos beat the brakes off of the Atlanta Falcons before they went into their buy. So I think this is a game where the Chargers feel like they need to get right. get back in the wind column, and make sure and go enjoy some deep south southern cooking. So as far as the game that or the dish that I compare this game to, it's got to be some nice baked mac and cheese. Okay.

No turkey? I think it's going to be a good one everyone's going to enjoy. In this mac and cheese. How many? Great question. Three cheese blend, mac and cheese. How many cheeses will be in this mac and cheese? Oh, yeah.

We absolutely have to do at least three to four different cheeses here. We got to get all the different types. I like to like I love me some mac and cheese. I'm a mac and cheese connoisseur. I think that's a good, good dish to, to symbolize this game here. I definitely felt like you were going to go with like a turkey leg or something.

Yeah, not a main course game for me, but a very good side. Well, I think that this next game we're going to talk about. Probably he's going to be the main course. Talking about the Baltimore Ravens versus the Philadelphia. Eagles, two battles between the birds.

Maybe it is a little bit more fitting. Kevin Ostriker, your thoughts on this matchup between two nine and two teams in their respective conferences. I think that for what Baltimore has to offer and what Philly has to offer, I'm putting this as the main course. And I'm saying this is a turducking because this has a bit of everything. You got Jalen Hertz and Lamar Jackson. You got Derek Henry and Saquan Barkley, two really good defenses.

Philly's defense has been awesome. Baltimore's defense has played well over these last couple of weeks, especially more so in the passing game, which they've needed. So I'm looking at the schedule here, and I'm not seeing a game that really comes close to this one. I mean, it could have been Buffalo, San Francisco, but San Francisco just looks on the way out.

So it doesn't feel like that's the game to look at anymore. But I'm excited for this one because it's a big test for both teams. And I know everybody in prospective conferences, they're looking at Kansas City back-to-back champs and rightfully so. They've earned that respect. And Buffalo, obviously, is another team. And in the NFC, is to all about the, Detroit and how Detroit's doing.

But maybe this is an underrated potential Super Bowl preview. We're seeing two teams aren't necessarily getting all the love that some of those other teams at the top of the conferences are. So you look at that prime 425 slot. Obviously, the NFL thinks highly of it. And I certainly do too. I think it's going to be a really good game. All right.

Well, round things off here. Brown's at the Broncos Monday night football. Look, a battle between two teams. You mentioned the Browns. They're a team right now who's in a position to play spoils. They got Miles Garrett, who's playing. like an absolute freak of nature here once again this season. James Winston, you never know what version of him you're going to get.

One week, he's carving you up. One week he's throwing a lot of interceptions. Obviously, the Brown's coming off well-rested Thursday night football, a win over the Pittsburgh Steelers, and now they get to play on Monday night against Denver. This is going to be a very interesting game. Big for Denver right before their by week here. Very excited about this matchup here to see what Denver does. They're going to be debuting their white snow-capped helmets with the blue jerseys.

I know fans are very excited about that. If I had to compare it to any kind of Thanksgiving dish, they wouldn't go with stuffing because it's got two really good defenses. They're going to be battling and trying to go after each other. We'll go with the stuffing category here. Maybe throw a little shout out here. Hopefully the Green Bay Packers take care of business. Like if you're a Ravens fan, Chargers fan, Broncos fan,

you're hoping that the Green Bay Packers, it's going to be a snowy cold game. That's the hope. Hopefully the Dolphins go in there and lose going to get those guys a little bit more cushion there as well. We all hope you have a very happy Thanksgiving. Stay safe and obviously enjoy time with your family, your loved ones. And thank you for making Lock on whatever podcast you listen to, part of your day. every single day, whether you're first listener or on every day or we appreciate you so much. We'll see you next week here for week 14 of the AFC squad.

We're already 14 weeks in. It's crazy. Thanksgiving's here. Christmas is on the way and soon enough, the playoffs will be here. We'll break you down every step of the way. Thank you so much. Happy Thanksgiving.