Locked On Broncos - Daily Podcast On The Denver Broncos - CONCERN: Denver Broncos Bo Nix, Sean Payton Dynamic Has ISSUES

Starting point is 00:00:00 Historic comeback aside, the Denver Broncos dynamic between Sean Payton and Bonix has some concerns that we must address here on today's episode, Lockdown Broncos. You are Locked on Broncos, your daily Denver Broncos podcast, part of the Locked On Podcast Network, your team every day. What's happening at Brockos country. Welcome into a bonus episode, Lockdown Broncos, your daily Denver Broncos podcast podcast. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. We know what your team every day. Thank you so much to the everydayers out there in Brockos Country. for tuning in and making us your first listen, however you choose to do so. I'm Cody Rourke Broncos reporter for Mile High Sports. Join as always by Sarah Bedinger, site expert over there, predominantly orange.com. Aftermath Monday, Victory Monday, the Denver Broncos sit atop of the AFC West here.

Starting point is 00:00:49 And after a historic comeback in Sunday's game with Denver scoring 33 points in the fourth quarter, we can't ignore what happened to the first three quarters and the dynamic here between Sean Peyton and Bonix. We'll go through why this unit, this pairing has some issues that need to get worked out. And on top of that, we'll also go into greater details to why Sean Peyton needs to stop holding back the offense. We'll share our thoughts and that and much more on today's episode of the show. Brought to you by our friends over there at prize picks. Download the prize picks out today and use code locked on NFL to get $50 in lineups.

Starting point is 00:01:19 Can you play your first $5 lineup, Sarah? We love the comeback, right? We celebrated the good in our post game podcast, but we cannot ignore. And we have to talk about the issues that we saw, not only from Sean Payton, but also Boe Nix from Sunday's game. And it wasn't just Sunday's game. This has been a trend that's obviously dated back to London, a little bit dating back to the Philadelphia game. So three straight games of some issues that the Broncos have overcome,

Starting point is 00:01:43 but you can't rely on that every single week. No, Cody, I stumbled upon a post that I made after the Broncos week one game against the Titans when I was searching for something completely unrelated, I was looking for a post that I made about Justin Sternard. And the post that I made from week one had a couple of takeaways from that game against the Titans. And one of the top takeaways was the Broncos need to figure out how to get Bo Nicks settled in earlier as opposed to later. And I think that issue has kind of persisted throughout the course of the entire season is figuring out a way to get anything settled in with this

Starting point is 00:02:18 offense at all because there has not been any sort of bread and butter. Once again, we talked about the options that this team has for an easy button on offense. And yet nothing has really materialized. even J.K. Dobbins in the running game, which had been averaging over 140 yards per game, that has not been an easy button for this offense. And like you mentioned, with the disconnect between Sean Payton and Bo Nix, it just feels like right now the Broncos are, there's people theorizing that they're hiding stuff to saving stuff for later in the season. At this point in the year, that's not the case, right? We know that's not the case because this team is flirting with disaster against the Giants, against the Jeds.

Starting point is 00:03:00 You don't want to do that on a week-to-week basis just because you're saving tricks in your bag. And I think that's honestly part of the problem is that there's too many tricks in the bag. And we're seeing the Broncos try to play this sort of, you know, for lack of a better term, fun brand of football instead of just doing the things that you know work. Like we saw in the Bengals Steelers game where Joe Flacco hit about 800 slant routes to Jamar Chase. I mean, let's simplify things. The Broncos don't necessarily seem to be willing to do that. I mean, a lot of their route concepts that they run.

Starting point is 00:03:33 Look, I want the slant to be a big part of this offense. I think it can open things up. It can take pressure. We talk about bread and butter rhythm throws. Those are it's here. Right now, the Broncos rhythm throws that Sean Payton is trying to manufacture are swing passes and screens. And the defense knows that. Like, that's the thing.

Starting point is 00:03:48 The defense at this point is already playing out. I think we'll dive deeper into Sean Payton, the swing passes, the play calling a little bit later on here in the show. But let's talk about the story that was this game before. obviously that historic fourth quarter comeback, Bo to open up the game, the Broncos ran three straight past plays. There was no emphasis on trying to get the run game going against the Giants defensive front.

Starting point is 00:04:09 And Bo, I would say he was inaccurate. He was off. Like he didn't look like that same confident guy we saw in the first half against the New York Jets, certainly the fourth quarter against the Philadelphia Eagles. We saw sporadic mechanics. And also part of me was thinking, is that part of pressure?

Starting point is 00:04:24 There were several instances as well in this game where I noted, and I saw a high snap where Bo is having to jump up and adjust or it's to the left there. So the snaps are still a little bit of an issue, not to a point where it's backbreaking, but all these things you're seeing Bo, I don't think he's got confidence. And certainly he's got it in the fourth quarter, but you can't rely on the fourth quarter every single time. It's just not sustainable that Broncos approach here. People want us to be hard on Bo Nix.

Starting point is 00:04:50 And I think we have been objectively fair when we talk about our criticisms of Boe. I feel like we've talked about that all season long. I've got film breakdowns every week where I'm objectively critical of things that Beau is doing from a mechanical standpoint, from a decision-making standpoint. And Bo has obviously a lot of things that I've seen. You can take a look at here in this game specifically through the first three-quarter and say, Bo simply wasn't confident. His footwork wasn't good from a mechanical standpoint. And that impacted the trajectory on some of his throws.

Starting point is 00:05:18 I don't know what the reason for that is. I think another thing to, Bose passes are getting batted down at a high rate at the line of scrimmage. these are things that Bo simply has to work on. But I also refuse to buy into the narrative that Bo Nix is not a quarterback that's going to lead this team into the future. I think Bo is very capable of doing that. I think the fourth quarter shows you just that. And a lot of people have made comparisons to the John Elway era when he was with Dan Reeves and how he would get off to slow starts and then lead these comebacks.

Starting point is 00:05:46 And obviously just play really well in the fourth quarter. Very similar here. Bo mechanically is there. But you can tell the dynamic. between he and Sean, Sarah, and I don't know how you feel about this. I see it because I'm at the stadium. But when they come off, you can tell that Bo looks frustrated with Sean. And when the offense is going and sitting on the bench with their iPads,

Starting point is 00:06:08 I want to see Sean Payton down there with these guys. He's not, Sarah. He's still on the sideline. I get he's the head coach. But if you're calling the plays, get to the sideline. Go talk to your quarterback, the old line. I know you have your coaches doing that. But he's not involved in the aftermath when a player or a series or a drive breaks down.

Starting point is 00:06:24 to me that's a problem. Yeah, I 100% agree with you on that. And I think that this whole issue, it stems from once again feeling like there's some sort of deadline to an arrival point for Bo Nix in terms of when he's reached that next level to where he's kind of playing above the defenses that he's facing. I think that's kind of the way that I would articulate it or it's like the game slowing down for him or like he's reached a point where he's border. line a cheat code against these defenses that fans are expecting that to happen at any moment. And when it doesn't happen necessarily in a game, then everybody's disappointed in wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater. But quarterbacks don't always peak at their development in year two. And I think that there's such attention here because people want to just say,

Starting point is 00:07:17 they'd rather not be disappointed down the road. They'd rather be disappointed right now and say, well, that's just, we need a new quarterback. I've got a number of comments about that yesterday during the game, right? And I don't think, I just don't think that's justified. I don't think that's a justified take. I think it's too knee jerk. I think that Bo Nix has stuff that he can work on and he has stuff that he's really great at. And you need to amplify the things that he's really great at.

Starting point is 00:07:41 This is not a Tim Tebow discussion where we're talking about masking the offense for his deficiencies. And then just saying, all right, well, we might as well, we might as well, play games. get open on hut here late in the game because we got nothing to lose. It just feels like there's not really a cohesive relationship between the play caller and the quarterback where we're seeing this. Okay, we know that we can go get a drive started with this play. We know that we can take a shot in this way. Bo is not seemingly confident.

Starting point is 00:08:12 Sean Payton seems to be trying to go to his bag of tricks way too often. It's just, it's discombobulated and it's frustrating. I know from the fan perspective. Well, before the historic comeback, there's like Denver was shut out through three quarters of play here. We can't forget that here. The Broncos before their comeback had eight drives, six punts on those eight drives, one turnover on downs, and then one, we got to walk into halftime because we got sacked and we're like, we're not even going to risk it at this point here.

Starting point is 00:08:40 That is inept offense. That is below, I want to say below average. That's below proficient at this point. It's super bad. It was ugly, inefficient, disgusting, you name it. That was the offense here. 102 total net yards at halftime, Sarah, and they ran 34 offensive plays. That's terrible.

Starting point is 00:08:59 That is awful. And there was no emphasis on really from the onset. We mentioned Denver opened up with three straight passing plays. There was no emphasis on getting the run game going. RJ Harvey and J.K. Dobbins had 12 total carries combined between the two of them going into halftime for 18 yards. And guess what? J.K. Dobbins had all those 18 yards rushing between the two running backs.

Starting point is 00:09:19 I'm not including Marvin Mims 13. yard end around that he had here. There is just this, and this goes back to, I'd say last year, to Sean's first year, even with Russell Wilson. Sean loves to throw the football. And I understand, like you want to throw the football. But the bread and butter in today's world, as we've seen Super Bowl teams do, you have to run the football well.

Starting point is 00:09:39 The Broncos can. They simply didn't commit to it enough. Yeah, I would agree with that as well. And I think that that's something that opens everything up for Bo Nix, because what do we know about Bo. He's great running the play action offense. I mean, he's been one of the best in the league since he was a rookie at throwing on the move, throwing off a play action. It just, it's, it's the bread and butter for every Broncos great team throughout history, right? I mean, even Gary Kubiak coming back in 2015, he brings that back into the fold. Like, that's,

Starting point is 00:10:09 that's part of the identity of this franchise at this point. And so it would be wise of Sean Peyton to really realize like, hey, it's not about just, I mean, looking like the smartest guy on the field or on the sidelines. It's not about saying, hey, I can make this guy a superstar who's a nobody to everybody else. That's kind of the mentality that I'm getting. When we see the Broncos go out there, it's like he's trying to kind of prove a point with some of these guys. Like, for example, you get into the tight red zone and J.K. Dobbins is the one who got you there. And then all of a sudden you're trying to pass play to Garrett Bowles and you're throwing the ball to the second, you're doing a layered throw on a designed rollout that cuts off half the field.

Starting point is 00:10:55 I mean, you're doing empty backfield sets when you're in the tight red zone. I just, I think that it feels like there's this tension of people saying, well, Sean doesn't trust Bow. And there's some valid, you know, things behind that that show like, hey, he's not really pushing the ball down field. But then you get into the tight red zone, he's calling all pass plays. So to me, it's like what it, it's got to be one or the other, right? But is Sean trying to like pump up Bo Nix's stats?

Starting point is 00:11:22 Like what is he trying to do there, trying to outsmart everybody? I know that there's a lot going on here. But man, it just feels like the Broncos are making offense way harder than it has to be. While Bo Nix has his struggles and has to play better, Sean Payton is holding the offense back with his play calling. Sarah and I, we're going to tell you all about that here on today's episode, Lockdown Broncos. Today's episode of the show is brought to you by our friends over there at Rippling. And if you're a business owner, here's the truth. SAS promised to make work easier.

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Starting point is 00:14:12 Sean Payton holding the Denver Broncos offense back. We think that is definitely the case about midway through the season, which is a problem. So what has to happen? What are the options? We're going to discuss that on today's bonus episode. Lockdown Broncos in Broncos country. Once again, want to say thank you to every single one of you out there. That makes us your first listen of the day. You know your boys, Cody and Sarah got you covered every day here. Locked on Broncos. Cody, the sentiment amongst many in Broncos country is that Sean Payton is holding the offense back. We even saw old friend Ben Danucci calling for, I guess, in a way, for Davis Webb to be calling some of the plays there for the Broncos. There's a couple things I just want to quickly say about that.

Starting point is 00:14:53 And I want to get your take on this. Davis Webb calling the plays in the preseason for the game that he did was both maybe the biggest mistake Sean Peyton has made and maybe one of the smarter things he's done. But it was a mistake from the vantage point of now it's that preseason third quarterback syndrome. for the fan base where it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't. And now everybody wants to see Davis Webb calling plays in a regular season game. That's just something that doesn't feel like it's a realistic thing that Sean Peyton will ever give up at this point. No.

Starting point is 00:15:26 And look, as much as fans, and we could talk about it. I feel like I always answer this on Twitter. We could talk about it all we want. But here's the thing, folks, and you've seen this. Like, this is with Sean. Like, Sean has been doing this a long time. Sean is stubborn. Sean has an offensive coordinator who doesn't call the plays in Joe Lombardi.

Starting point is 00:15:44 Sean calls the place. Even in New Orleans, Sean called the place, even though he had some really good coaches around him at this point as well. The idea that Sean Payton at this juncture of where he's at with a young quarterback is going to relinquish his play calling responsibilities, it's not going to happen. As much as I think Broncos fans want to see it happen. And maybe to your point, they're like, people want to say like, hey, like if Davis, Davis Webb does call plays, does this change anything? Like, can the Broncos offense be better? We don't know, but it's not necessarily a guarantee.

Starting point is 00:16:15 And you made that point there. He called a game against guys who were really practice squad guys. And not to diminish what he did. I thought that he had an excellent flow overall in that game between the run and the passing game. But there's no translation that says that's going to be as effective when you're playing against elite level NFL talent and starters and things like that. You know, granted, you want to see that happen. But here's where the dilemma is for Sean.

Starting point is 00:16:37 And this is where it gets challenging. Davis Webb is going to be an offensive coordinator for some team. And if it's not going to be in Denver, it's going to be in another city. But for Sean, it's like, all right, he goes there. Let's say he has success. Well, then Sean's like, look, you know, look at my coaching tree. Look at this guy here. And what does that do?

Starting point is 00:16:54 That boosts the ego here. I think we can all sit here and objectively say, Sean is a good coach. Sean, I think is a great play designer. And at times he can be a great play caller. But far too often, we are seeing inconsistencies in terms. of what is working, like the Broncos going away from things that work and trying things that simply don't work. We mentioned the eight drives, six punts, one turnover on downs in the first half before

Starting point is 00:17:18 the comeback even actually happened here for Denver. That's not good. And that's an indication. Like you've had how many weeks in a row there where Jeremy Crossra has had six or seven total punts in a game? That is not winning football. That's not the formula. And yes, Bo Nix has some issues here.

Starting point is 00:17:33 I don't think Bo Nix is the sole problem here to the offense, right? I think as we've talked about in the first segment, He has mechanic issues. He has confidence issues. And obviously the offensive play calling is also something that doesn't help him or the offense in any way, shape, or form. There is blamed to go around everywhere. Does that make Bo Nix not a franchise quarterback? I don't think so.

Starting point is 00:17:52 I think Bo is this team's franchise QB. And I'm going to be critical of him, as we all are here. But I think the idea, to your point of being knee-jerk and saying, ah, Bo's not it. The Broncos need a new quarterback. I thought Kurt Warner put out a great tweet on Monday morning here saying that he's watching quarterbacks like C.J. Stroud, Bownicks, Jaden Daniels, take steps back.

Starting point is 00:18:11 And every week, some of the better college quarterbacks will make some mistakes. He said here, and this is the most important thing. We forget these guys aren't and shouldn't be expected to be finished products. Coaches still need to coach them. If they keep making the same mistakes, coach them. They're missing some reads, coach them. But who's also coaching the coaches at that same exact standpoint? Who is in Sean Payton's ear telling him he needs to be better at this and that, right?

Starting point is 00:18:32 Is it his wife? Is it Joe Lombardi? Nobody, Sean is the guy who has to answer for himself at the end of the day. and far too often we've seen him be dismissive. We've heard about going up tempo here, Sarah. And what does Sean say before in his press conference yesterday? He said, before anyone asks, like, I don't want to, you know, we're not going to talk about up tempo, stuff like that.

Starting point is 00:18:52 That's arrogant. That is arrogant and disrespectful. Like you can add wrinkles of going up tempo at various parts of the game just so you can get some flow and rhythm to your offense. But, Sarah, the thing that's frustrating to me, that's frustrating to Broncos fans, and it makes Bow Nicks look bad. Sean Payton is out there telling people Bo is going to be a top five quarterback next year.

Starting point is 00:19:11 Like he's putting all this confidence. He's saying the Broncos, this is a Super Bowl contending team. Yet he's doing things that are making Bo look bad. And Boe has to play better. 110%. We're not just saying that it's all Sean's fault. It's Sean's fault. It's Bob's fault. They both have to be better.

Starting point is 00:19:25 They both have stunk in a lot of categories. But you can't, like one guy can't succeed without the other here. And that's where the frustrating power dynamic really comes into play. It's really well said, Joe. I think that's something that stands out to me as well is the fact that Johnny Morton left for the Detroit Lions this offseason to be their offensive coordinator. I know it hasn't been 100% perfect for the Lions offense as well. But at the same time, how much did he play a role in this offense's success as the past game coordinator for the Broncos last year? And I just think back to those little things.

Starting point is 00:19:58 You know, you lose certain people. It seems underrated at the time. It seems like maybe not that big of a deal on paper. But maybe that was a big deal. deal to have him in there helping write up the game plan, helping draw up some plays, at least even on the script to get things started. I know the Broncos weren't great last year on the opening script either, but man, yeah, there's, it's just so many different people with their hands in this operation, Joe Lombardi, Pete Carmichael, Davis Webb, Sean Payton, obviously Bo Nix. And then you

Starting point is 00:20:28 have Zach Streif, who's the run game coordinator as well as the O-Line coach. I mean, there's so many different things and so many different hands involved in the operation right now that you feel like maybe that's also part of the problem is that are we trying to appease too many people? Are we not appeasing enough? Are we not giving enough? Because one of the signs of a great leader is delegating authority, not just tasks. You can give anybody a task. You can give the water boy a task during a game, but you can't delegate authority unless you actually allow these people to do their job, to do what their job description and job title said if Dave Webb is the past game coordinator or whatever, I mean, you got to let him coordinate some past plays and call those plays and let him design

Starting point is 00:21:14 maybe a series or two or something like that. So I'm not saying to get too many cooks in the kitchen here, but it's like an episode of the bear for any listeners that watch the bear, right? Yes, chef. Yes, chef. Yes, chef. Behind chef, you got to figure out a way to make that whole mess in the kitchen go from this anxiety filled just mess that you can actually make something look awesome. Even if there is a lot going on behind the scenes, the guest experience has to be great at the end of the day. That's where the Broncos are at right now. You've got to start figuring out a way to make the guest experience great without showing the disaster of the behind the scenes on the sidelines. And Sarah, I'm going to look at this from a defensive coordinator perspective here.

Starting point is 00:21:57 The Broncos' offense here simply in my lens. And I think, how defenses are certainly playing them watching the All 22. This is exactly what I'm seeing. They're okay. They're going to say, we're going to take away the deep to intermediate stuff. If you're going to run these RPO's, you're going to throw swing passes and screens, we'll let you do it. We're confident in our ability to rally and to track the football and to fight through

Starting point is 00:22:17 blocks and to try to make plays to blow you up behind the line of scrimmage. We're okay with doing that. Throw that because we're more confident with stopping that. We want to take away your deep stuff. So go ahead and throw the short stuff. And so when Bo Nix is going through on his dropbacks and you talk about these different route concepts, teams are playing zone. The Giants played a ton of zone coverage against them.

Starting point is 00:22:36 They're dropping all their defenders underneath. They're dropping six or seven guys. And they're sending four guys on a rush there. And they're saying, you know what? Throw it short. We're going to rally and tackle. We like Bobby O'Caricay. We like Javan Holland.

Starting point is 00:22:47 We like Paulson Nadebo's ability to come up and tackle. That's how the Giants approach this game. And once again, defenses do not respect this offense. And when your quarterback is struggling with that and your play calling struggling, it just compounds into this negative snowball effect here. That's something I think is super frustrating to me. But Sean Payton, he is the conductor of the orchestra, of the symphony. He is the man who's in charge of that.

Starting point is 00:23:11 He simply has to be better. Bow has to be better. And the best way that you do that, open up your playbook a little bit. Go to the simple bread and butter stuff that we've seen here versus trying to be too cute and fancy. The end of rounds, the screen plays. None of this stuff like teams aren't respecting it. So clearly at this point, as a play caller, you have to look yourself in the mirror and say, I've got to figure out how to turn this around.

Starting point is 00:23:32 I just don't know if Sean is going to do that, Sarah. I just, there's a certain amount of stubbornness and ego there. And I understand it. It comes with being a coach. Sean Payton has forgotten more about football than I'll ever know. And I know a lot about football, but I don't know anything half as much as what Sean does. This is a very interesting juncture here. And if this continues, these issues continue, we have to have some serious conversations about

Starting point is 00:23:56 the Sean Payton Bonex dynamic because it could very well be a Dan Reeves John Elway situation all over again. Yeah, it could be. And that would be a bit disastrous because ultimately you got that then ownership would have to come in and make a difficult decision in that case. And we know that that was obviously you watch the history of the Denver Broncos videos and things like that and you see how contentious that was at the time. But at the same time, let's continue to hold that hope that they can still get it turned around because when we have seen this offense, it's not like they haven't played well all year. They just haven't played well for like a full game.

Starting point is 00:24:33 So what we've seen them play well, we've seen them do well. And it's not just when defenses go to prevent or whatever you want to call it. Like they're they've played well for stretches. They need to play well consistently and figure out ways to do that on a weekly basis. You're going to have bad games. You're going to have tough, tough games. You're going to turn the ball over. It just, it happens in the NFL.

Starting point is 00:24:54 but can you find some way to be good, not just in the fourth quarter, but maybe even glimpses throughout all four corners. That would be something, right? So you score 33 points in a game, hey, that looks really good on paper for your offense. Figure out a way to maybe spread that out so you're not stressing yourself in the fourth down 26 to 8. Yeah, and look, we can't let the 33 point explosion in the fourth quarter mask the warts and the cosmetic surgery that is needed here on this offense. something has to change here or else this dynamic is going to fall and it's going to create an issue

Starting point is 00:25:28 because for so long the defense has carried the water of this team and they're not always going to be there to bell them out and certainly you want to play complimentary football in all three phases the offense if they can just get going like sarah they're not even playing their best football yet and if they can somehow find a way to do that this broncos team can be dangerous but will they get there that's the question here broncos country make sure you let us know your thoughts on today's episode of the show we want to hear what you think of Sean Payton as a play caller, what you think about the dynamic between he and Bo Nix. For all you every dayers tomorrow's episode of the show, you're going to get Sarah and I talking about Justin Sternad emerging as a big time key contributor for this Broncos defense.

Starting point is 00:26:05 And why when Drake Greenlaw returns fully back into the fray without a pitch count, why it needs to be Dre and Justin on the field. You get that more. Tomorrow's episode, Locked on Broncos.

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