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Starting point is 00:00:00 The Denver Broncos are reporting for training camp today's veterans will now get to the team facility. And we'll tell you how to evaluate the first few practices that don't have pets. You are locked on Broncos. Your daily Denver Broncos podcast. Part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. What's happening in Broncos country, Cody Roark. Sarah Bennett are here for another episode of Lock on Broncos. Today's episode of show is brought to you by friends over there at Kaushi for a limited time.

Starting point is 00:00:32 Download the Kauci app and use code. on to get up to $500 in bonus credits when you trade $25. The moment we've all been waiting for is here. The Broncos veterans have reported to the team facility today for the start of training camp. And even though there's no practice here today, it sets the stage for the first practice for tomorrow. We'll hear from some players today. Obviously, as the team is at the team facility, I'll be there as well. But Sarah and I are going to go through your ultimate training camp primer,

Starting point is 00:00:59 how you evaluate the first few practices without pads, and what position battles do you pay attention to first specifically as it relates to positions that don't have pads on and more importantly, the contact there. We'll talk about skill players so much more and we'll answer your everydayer club questions sent in via text message here on today's episode of the show. Sarah, I'm so stoked that Broncos training camp is here from now until February, we're going to be very busy, which is a great thing. And we're going to be locked in every step of the way here with everyone in Broncos country. I'm excited. I'm so pumped to have it back. I love football season.

Starting point is 00:01:35 You and I were already kind of talking about some of the late nights, you know, that are upcoming this season with the Broncos playing under the lights. We love it. We enjoy it. It's part of the grind. And it starts here at training camp where I think the number one thing, Cody,

Starting point is 00:01:48 that I look at in terms of, I know we're talking about evaluating practices without pads and training camp getting back underway. I think one of the nice things to know is that you can tell a lot once a team gets into training camp because you're able to be out there every day as opposed to like at OTAs. You get one practice a week to be out there and see what's going on and the team can kind of hide stuff.

Starting point is 00:02:11 But at training camp, it's every day and you kind of see, hey, which players are here? Who's rotating him with the ones? Like are the Broncos kind of showing any sort of, you know, change in trends that we've come to know over the last handful of years? So I think that's one of the number one things that I'm excited to find out as training camp gets underway, even without pads on. As the veterans report, you want to see. of course as clean a bill of health as you possibly can.

Starting point is 00:02:36 And we know the Broncos just have a couple of guys opening up on injury lists being Nick Garjulo, specifically and Jordan Turner at linebacker. But man, you get the opportunity to kind of see who's rotating in with the ones, regardless of whether or not the pads are on and the competition is as heated as it can possibly be. Yeah. And we'll get our first look at on field work on Wednesday for the Broncos here. As the veterans report here today, what that means is they'd report to the team facility.

Starting point is 00:03:02 they all have to go through and pass their physicals. They'll do a lift, conditioning, and then there'll be some player availability with us in the media a little bit later on today. So we're going to talk to a few players and kind of set the stage for tomorrow's official practice that starts where it's just going to be helmet, jersey shorts, and then eventually you transition, you upgrade to shells and then you upgrade to full pads. That whole process is going to take place over the course of the next six to seven days, which I'm so stoked about that.

Starting point is 00:03:28 And obviously, fans are going to be able to be in attendance for the first time, I believe, on the 31st of July. So a lot to ramp up for here as we get ready for Broncos football and just three and a half, almost four weeks away from the first preseason game. Like, let's go. I'm stoked about it here. But I want to open some things up here by going to our everydayer club. We got some text messages, some Broncos country members who are everydayers over there

Starting point is 00:03:52 at the everydayer club sent in their text message. They had questions there. And I want to open things up with Johnny. He asked the question, what do you watch for with the coaches during practice? practice. This is a very interesting because really our eyes for the most part are on the players. And I would say for the coaches, I'm only watching the coaches when we get into individual period and when we get into like special teams drills. It's not really much of a focus during the actual competitive periods, right? Usually you pay attention to the coach after a play

Starting point is 00:04:22 happens just to see if there's something there. But I'm listening to the coaching points and I'm watching the running backs getting coached up by Lou Ianey. What is he saying to these guys as they're going through their individual drills. What is he saying from a fundamental positional standpoint that these guys have to do? I'm paying attention to that. And when I get a chance to watch some seven on seven or I'm watching the defensive backs, I'm listening to the defensive backs coaches talk about terminology, where they're aligning. You know, we all hear calls.

Starting point is 00:04:49 And then I'll try to decipher what the calls are as I'm watching it there from Vance Joseph. But primarily, it's hard to evaluate the coaches outside of the finale of a play or during those coaching periods of, hey, we're going through some walkthrough stuff right here. Aside from that, it's really hard, in my opinion, to observe the players on the field and the coaches at the same time. Well, and you want to see, let's take the wide receivers as an example, right? They've got a new position coach, Ronald Curry coming in. So let's say somebody drops a pass during practice.

Starting point is 00:05:20 Like you said, Cody, you kind of want to see, hey, how does that position coach coach up after a drop? What is what is that player doing? I remember when I used to go to training camp, you know, I used to go to double days with the Broncos back in the day. And I remember Josh McDaniels practices, if a guy dropped the ball or if a guy fumbled the ball, he was running laps around all the practice fields. And so you'd kind of see these players run by you all throughout practice because they're getting disciplined for one reason or another. But that's not really the way that things go so much in the NFL more so these days. Entirely.

Starting point is 00:05:54 And I would say Sean Payton's first year, Sarah, they had that joint practice, that really bad one against the Rams. And that's exactly what Sean did. He made those guys, he made guys jog around the field. Like, I haven't seen it since, but that was a nice little call back. That's great. I mean, hey, that's the kind of football I grew up playing, Cody, is if you made a mistake, run a lap. You know what I'm saying? It's like, I don't want to make the mistake because I don't want to run a lap.

Starting point is 00:06:18 But, you know, those are types of things that I'll be looking for, right? is not necessarily just after mistakes, but what gets rewarded gets repeated. That's a concept in leadership that, you know, I subscribe to. So what are the Broncos coaches affirming out there on the field that they're seeing? And what are they, you know, when they praise something, that's going to be something that I think we hear about, you know,

Starting point is 00:06:41 from you and the others in attendance after practice is, hey, like Ronald Curry called out, you know, let's say Dane Key or whatever, you know, something like that for doing this during practice and then we'll be able to say, oh, the coaching staff clearly values this aspect of this particular position and they're calling it out so that everybody can hear. I think that's something that's also really fascinating to me. Yeah, and I'm curious to see, you know, how the new coaches find their voice here, which I don't think is going to be hard. A lot of them are very experienced guys.

Starting point is 00:07:11 But when you're coming to a new situation, like for example, I look at Doug Belk coming over from a USC program to an NFL program and now working with NFL guys. and he's worked with NFL caliber guys for guys who've gone on to get drafted and go on to the NFL. But I think this is just how does he respond to that, right? And Robert Livingston has some former NFL experience when he was with the Bengals,

Starting point is 00:07:32 but has spent time at CU the last handful of years. So I'm very curious to see how the approach changes because how you interact with college kids, probably a lot different than you're going to interact with guys who are making more money than you. But it's just about establishing the overall level of trust between those guys. I think that's going to be important as well. And I'm also curious, too.

Starting point is 00:07:49 I don't believe that we're going to hear from Sean Payton today. I believe we're just going to hear from players. And I think the first time we'll hear from Sean, I think is tomorrow following the conclusion of practice. But you know, typically as veterans report today, and we are all invited to go out there as the team goes through and the guys go through and try to pass their physical is the one thing you run into is usually it's George Payton and Sean Payton meeting with the media.

Starting point is 00:08:12 I do not think we're going to get that. We really haven't gotten that since Sean has come here. So I don't expect we'll get it now. we'll probably get George and Sean together for the first time once roster cuts officially happen and they go through and kind of formulate that 53-man roster. So a lot to pay attention to is obviously the Broncos report for Trenton Camp here today, first official practice tomorrow. But when we come back, we'll dive deeper into how we evaluate these first few practices

Starting point is 00:08:37 that don't have pads. What do we pay attention to? What has value and what doesn't? We'll go through all that here on today's episode of the show. Today's episode of the show is brought to you of our friends over there at Couchy. Before season even kicks off, everyone's making predictions. They're predicting who's going to win the division, who's going to make it to the playoffs, and ultimately who's lifting the trophy at seasons end.

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Starting point is 00:09:59 these first few practices without the pads on? There's plenty to watch for Broncos country, including position battles. We're going to get into all that on today's episode of the show. I want to say thank you, though, once again, to all of you out there that make us your first listen of the day every single day. And like Cody mentioned, we are answering even some of your questions as part of the every dayer club. So as training camp gets underway, definitely want to see what you have to say as well.

Starting point is 00:10:24 All you listeners out there, we appreciate you so much once again. But Cody, let's talk about this as you'll be out there today talking to the players and out there for every day of practice, getting to see what's going down without the pads. Obviously, it's similar to OTAs and to minicamp in a way. But back in those times, the players are kind of installing, you know, systems, concepts, they're getting down verbiage, they're getting acclimated to either new teammates or new coaches. What are you going to be looking for now that it's training camp,

Starting point is 00:10:57 the intensity getting prepared for the season now sort of starting to ramp up? Yeah, I would say right now the stakes are probably a little bit higher than OTAs and minicamp. They're still going to go through some install periods where I think to start a training camp, what Sean Payton does, they go back to what they installed during OTAs and minicamp, right? Like phase one. It's a revisit of the phase one installation. And then I think once you start to get the pads on, you go through a couple of practices,

Starting point is 00:11:22 then they'll begin getting into phase two and ultimately phase three. They want to be in a phase three by the time they play their second preseason game of that. So that's from what I understand and what I know about Denver and how they're going through this whole process. But right now, like every practice has higher stakes for every player or every player that's on the back end of the roster that's fighting for a 53-man roster spot here. when you have 90 players and you ultimately have to trim things down to 50, that is a tall task, no matter who you are. And when you're returning as much continuity as Denver is, that makes it a little bit more difficult for guys who are either first year players or, you know, guys that are undrafted rookies to come on and make this team like we've seen this team have a trend of doing historically. And maybe that trend continues, but it's going to be a lot harder this year than I think in years past for that. So for us, the first few practices that you evaluate is, okay, how are the quarterbacks looking, you know, in terms of the,

Starting point is 00:12:14 dropbacks because you can't touch the quarterback too. But there's no contact between the O line and the D line. That's not allowed right now. So anytime we talk about a pressure, it's like, okay, what is that going to look like when the pads come on? You know, there's always going to be an asterisk on pressure here early on in training camp. But you want to see the timing with the quarterbacks and the receivers for the running backs.

Starting point is 00:12:33 It's not necessarily, you're not evaluating anything in the run game because there's no contact between the O line and D line. And so much of the running back's job is contingent upon that contact in the trenches. But if a running back is getting involved in the passing game, how does he do? Does he catch the ball? Does he get up field quickly, north, south? Those are things I want to see. For the defense, it's easy to evaluate the corners and the safeties and the linebackers because

Starting point is 00:12:56 they're covering. The only challenge about linebackers is the fact that when it's a run, like they're going to get up into the scrum, right? There's going to be a huge pile of people there just standing up and then the whistle is going to blow. But when the pads come on, it'll be much different when evaluating those guys in the run game because the physicality is now going to be brought to the forefront. But when those guys drop back into coverage, it's locating the receivers and the

Starting point is 00:13:19 tight ends that are coming across their zone if they're in zone. It's them manning up against the running back on a route. In those situations, I'm excited to see how that all plays out. But that's how we evaluate the first few practices. Aside from that, it is hard to gain anything because the pads simply still aren't on yet. And let's go through and maybe doing over under. The amount of time Sean Payton says, well, it's going to be a lot easier to evaluate when the pads come on.

Starting point is 00:13:42 I'm going to set it at two and a half here for Sean's press conference on Wednesday when we get a hear from him. Man, I'm smashing the over on that one. I think so. I mean, you just know that's going to happen, right? So I'm excited to as well, Cody, talk about those position battles. I know we're going to talk specifically about them, but I think ultimately that's one of those things that you can truly evaluate is even without the pads coming on. Like I mentioned earlier, you can see who's getting reps where and how frequently they're rotating in. And so that's one of those things that when training camp rolls around, you know, like you said, the pressure is greater because obviously it's no longer just installation period.

Starting point is 00:14:21 But now you're talking about getting ready for the season, who's going to be working in with the top unit? And we know the Broncos do rotate guys pretty frequently, but it's also pretty easy to tell which players are actually, you know, there's some players who are rotating in with the top unit. And then there's some players who are rotating in with the starters, right? You know, that's, there's a big difference between getting a look at a guy and somebody who's clearly getting prepared to play with the starters. And so I think that's something that will be watching for without the pads on. Of course, you can always tell, you know, a receiver that makes a catch over a defensive back. That's something that you can evaluate with or without pads on. You know, you could tell if somebody's dropping passes or not or if somebody's getting involved frequently in the offense, like especially in the passing game, like you mentioned with running backs, certainly with tight ends.

Starting point is 00:15:08 that's something that you can tell with or without pads on. And I'm now fascinated to find out, hey, which of these guys are going to step up? There's a lot of young players that are potentially going to be able to contribute to this Super Bowl caliber team. Like we look at Jonah Coleman. We've talked about Justin Jolie, Dallin Bentley, even guys like Caleb Loner, certainly at the receiver position with Franklin,

Starting point is 00:15:30 Bryant, Mims, all these young players who are, you know, I guess proven to a degree, but obviously not with the rookies, but some of them, you know, they have skill sets coming in that you expect something very specific from these guys. You expect them to not drop passes. You expect them to be maybe wise beyond their years in certain ways.

Starting point is 00:15:50 So that's where I'm looking in terms of what we're hearing out of the early training camp practices without pads as who's rotating in with the starters, who looks like they're going to be contributing and factors of the season, and which of these young players is going to deliver on their sort of pre-draft or pre-training camp expectations. Well, I think maybe now transitioning to what first position battles are we watching for? I think we've got to look at linebacker now because of Jordan Turner landing on the non-football

Starting point is 00:16:17 injury list. There's no current timetable for when he's anticipated to return. We don't even know the extent of it. And we won't speculate. But now all of our eyes shift to, okay, who's getting reps when Alex Singleton and Justin Stranat are coming off the field? Who are the first couple of guys going through and doing that? That's one thing I think we have to absolutely pay attention to.

Starting point is 00:16:36 because there are those guys. What? It's going to be Red Murdoch, Tori, New York, Lavel Bailey, Carraini, Reed. I want to see how everything kind of plays out for those guys in that one. Do we look at as well? I know in yesterday's show, we talked about wide receiver. I'm not necessarily focused on that necessarily right away.

Starting point is 00:16:52 I do want to see who stands out and makes plays. But I also want to see what the potential running back rotation is going to look like in terms of just getting reps, not in terms of who's making plays right now because you can't evaluate the running backs without the pads on. But is Tyler Badee on it? the field before Jonah Coleman gets on the field. Is Jullum McLaughlin on the field before either of these guys? These are things I want to know as we watch JK., RJ, and obviously this running back group get their

Starting point is 00:17:17 reps and their opportunities here in training camp. I'm very curious to see what that pecking order is. I think we all know J.K. is going to be the first guy. RJ is going to be the second. But who is that third guy that is on the field first at that position? That's going to be very telling, in my opinion. It was very telling for us last year when we were evaluating Audrick Estime, because he was the guy who was getting the last reps out of anybody. Ultimately, that led to him not being on the team anymore. That's just kind of the riding on the wall. So could the writing on the wall be indicated early on here for this Broncos team?

Starting point is 00:17:45 That is a huge question here. Broncos country has always wanted to hear from you on today's episode of the show. Let's know which position battles you have your eyes on first as the Broncos go through their first several stretches of practice without pads. But coming up next, we got some everyday-day-to-club questions coming as to whether or not the Broncos will make any moves leading up during training camp or before the preseason is over. and will Jonathan Cooper be back on the football field this week as the team takes the practice field? We'll go through that and more here on today's episode of the show. As veterans report to the team facility here today, they'll go through and they'll take their physicals, they'll go through lifting, and they'll go through team meetings before they step foot out of the practice field tomorrow for the first official day of practice here.

Starting point is 00:18:28 Brock goes country, thanks for rock with us here on the lockdown podcast network, your team every day. Also the number one sports podcast network in the country. We appreciate you so much. getting into that, Sarah. Obviously, our everydayer club, we opened this up where we're going to start answering people who are everydayers that are subscribed to the everydayer club. You have a chance to have your questions answered here on the show by texting us. We got several texts coming in. First and foremost, Dana Scott, who's an avid everyday listener, sent us a text message saying, hey, Cody, I like all the choices you and Sarah had in all of your

Starting point is 00:18:58 position groups predicting the 53-man roster, especially keeping Marvin. He's one of my favorites. I hope my feelings about Troy turnaround. And I feel like, too, at, right? Going to Dana's point, Troy feels like this also polarizing figure here in the eyes of a lot of fans, right? I think you're going to get this split consensus on him. 50% isn't sold on him yet. 50% says, hey, like, I like the direction in which he's trending. Your thoughts on this, because I know, like, you've had your thoughts on Troy as well. Yeah, I know that, and I love the question because ultimately, I think Troy being two years into his NFL career hasn't proven anything to the point right now that you would definitive.

Starting point is 00:19:37 say, hey, he's going to be wide receiver two of the future. He's going to be, you know, wide receiver three, even this year. I think that's where after last season, we saw what he's capable of doing when he's at his best. But I don't know that he's going to be favored by the coaching staff over Pat Bryant or maybe even Marvin Mims. I know with Sean Payton's comments earlier this offseason about, hey, every time his name comes up in the pregame, you know, we want to get this guy involved, like I'm talking about Marvin Mims or whatever. I'm paraphrasing and butchering what he said. But essentially he's talking about wanting to get Marvin more involved in the offense.

Starting point is 00:20:16 So I have a huge question mark on Troy Franklin's name going into training camp because he doesn't play special teams. Marvin does. He doesn't block as well as Pat Bryant, which is a big reason why I think the coaching staff put Bryant out on the field down the stretch last season more than Troy. And I think also it's, you know, with Jalen Waddle in the mix, it complicates Troy's ability to be out there on a regular basis, you know, and I think you could still put him on the field. You can get in packages, but he's not going to be able to have a high volume with targets. And I'm just interested to find out how much has he progressed this year.

Starting point is 00:20:57 I know we talked about he's added some weight this off season. his game is kind of built on speed and being a vertical threat as well as in after the catch threat, which we haven't seen as much of that as we would like to. So I have a lot of questions about Troy as well, not in a negative sense, but a curious sense because of what the Broncos did bringing in Waddle. And then obviously they love Pat Bryant. Marvin has his role on special teams. It's unquestioned at this point.

Starting point is 00:21:24 So Troy, to me, would be the one guy that you would say his role is probably the biggest question mark. Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can make arguments where I don't see it, though. I'm honestly, I'm on the opposite side of it. I think and just knowing some of the things that some of the conversations I've had, John really likes Troy Franklin. So it may just be what's the selling point if you're Sean to Troy, especially like after bringing in Jalen Waddle. Like I'm wondering what those conversations were because Sean has an open door policy

Starting point is 00:21:51 where he says, hey, if you have questions in the off season, like you want to know, come into the facility. I'm here. Call me. I'm available. Troy is someone that Sean sees very, very highly. Now the question is with Jalen, I think a lot of people are saying, well, does Troy's role become redundant because of what Jalen does? I don't think it does.

Starting point is 00:22:09 I think that now you have a true number one. You have a true number two. Like you have two top guys with Cortland and Jalen. Then now I think it opens things up for guys like Troy, Pat and Marvin. I feel like even more so, right? But the question is, what does that snap count look like between Pat, between Troy, between Marvin? How do you spread that amongst five different wide receivers? That's the challenge.

Starting point is 00:22:30 That's hard. But it also goes back to what I feel. It's matchup contingent. If the Broncos really like Troy Franklin's height and speed against this guy, they're going to use that in comparison to Pat Bryan. But maybe they get a smaller nickel defender that they know will match up on Pat. And they say, you know what? We like Pat in this specific matchup.

Starting point is 00:22:48 I don't know how it's going to go necessarily. But I think from a week-to-week basis, I think the usage of Troy, I think Pat and Marvin, I think is going to be different on a week-to-week basis. And I think that's going to be a challenge. I think everyone in the coaching staff is going to try to figure out how do we best maximize these guys while still maintaining what we have with Cortland and J-Lan as our top two guys. And obviously, you also have to be forward thinking. Cortland and J-Lan's price tag, we all know is going to go up. I think the Broncos will restructure and find a way to make that manageable for both.

Starting point is 00:23:18 But in the event, you lose a guy like Cortland, which knock on what I hope that's not the case, you need a guy like Troy. You need a guy like Pat. You need those guys here, right? Versus just, okay, you have Pat, you lose Cortland, but you also lose Troy. That makes the Broncos wide receiver room even worse at that point. So that is the challenge that this team has to navigate all throughout this entire season. How do you keep a guy like Troy and Pat? How do you keep these guys happy as well, even if they're not getting as many snaps as Cortland or Jalen?

Starting point is 00:23:44 That's another challenge that this coaching staff has to figure out here. I want to get to our next text message that comes in from Michael Z. He asked the question here, do you think, Jonathan Cooper will be back at practice this week and is Denver looking to make any moves such as trading Marvin Mims? Let's answer the first one here, Sarah. When it comes to Jonathan Cooper, right now we all know he's got a, his arraignment is set for August 31st, which means that at that date, he's going to have to enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. We don't know where things are going to go with that.

Starting point is 00:24:14 But there's a very real possibility Jonathan Cooper doesn't go to trial. This whole situation doesn't go to trial until 2027. So what happens? Does the NFL hand down a suspension now, and does he serve that six-game suspension potentially or four-game suspension? Or does he land on the commissioner's exempt list where he still can't participate in practice or anything like that

Starting point is 00:24:36 until something happens? It would not shock me, Sarah, if we do see Jonathan Cooper on the practice field this week. I wouldn't be shocked either, especially because, like you said, things are kind of getting put off, you know, when it comes to his legal situation and the proceedings there.

Starting point is 00:24:50 I would say, you know, I'd almost at the, this point, be shocked if he's not playing this season, right? Right. Because we don't know, we just don't know what's going to happen right now. And if, if things are getting pushed off until 27, I just, I don't know that the Broncos would make a decision on that, especially because you would think that if they were going to move on from Cooper, that they would have done it by now. He's finished, I believe his time. I don't know what sort of treatment he was getting when it comes to just, you know, recovery process and kind of just like, you know, accountability. Do you

Starting point is 00:25:23 you know what that was. Yeah. Yeah, he had, I believe it was a court ordered inpatient counseling and mental health treatment. But I mean, that's still got to be an ongoing process, right? That's a step in the right direction for him. But there's so much more work that needs to be done. But this, I mean, this is a very interesting situation, sir, because I agree with you. The Broncos were going to make a move to move on from him. I feel like that would have already happened by now. But then again, I think you have to, legal processes are so tricky with it because you have to look at from both sides. Okay, if Cooper is found guilty and the evidence showcases that, then the team will make a

Starting point is 00:25:59 decision, right? If they were to make a decision and he was found not guilty, hypothetically speaking, then he would lose out on all that, right? And we've seen this happen all the time across the NFL. It's a tricky, tricky situation regardless. And I think that's why now you're starting to see the NFL and you're starting to see teams allow the legal process to play out because there has to be some sort of precedence behind it. They have to make the right decision.

Starting point is 00:26:23 Ultimately, once again, it's not our call. We're not, we're not here to talk about them from the football side. The Broncos have to focus on what is best for the football team. And right now, I think that focus is let's get Jonah Ellis and these other guys more reps. I can't wait to see that as well. I know Jonah, he's made some waves during OTAs in mini camp as well as Q Robinson. So very, very intrigued by what. defense could look like with more of those two guys.

Starting point is 00:26:50 I think to the question about Marvin Mims, I've heard this come up quite a bit. And I think it makes a lot of sense because, hey, he's a guy in a contract here who doesn't seem to have a long-term future with the team, at least from the outside looking in. However, to me, Marvin has the non-negotiable role right now of being at worst, just the all-pro return man, like for one more season, if that's what it is. And the Broncos don't have anybody to take over that role right now, at least not that we know of, not to that degree,

Starting point is 00:27:21 not to that level. He's the first pick of the Sean Payton, George Peyton, you know, duo. I just, I feel like my, my mind,

Starting point is 00:27:30 Cody is going more towards Marvin, sneaking in a before season contract, as opposed to him being traded. I don't, I hate the idea of trading him now because you don't have a return man to take over. And this is a team in a, Super Bowl window. Like if Marvin leaves in free agency after the season and you get a,

Starting point is 00:27:50 you know, fifth or sixth round compensatory pick based on how much ever he signs for, whatever, I think you live with that as opposed to trade him now and be wondering, why the heck did we do that before the season? We don't have anybody to return kicks and punts. And Marvin contributes obviously way more besides that. So I think that's where I go back to my initial point of I feel like he's maybe creeping closer to wide receiver three or four. than he is to getting traded. And I would say if there's any receiver that I would say, hey, there's a trade potential.

Starting point is 00:28:22 It'd be, in my opinion, Troy. But that would be a surprise. That would be a shocker. Just like, I mean, not to the same degree, but Velae last year, we didn't see that coming necessarily. Broncos got an offer they couldn't refuse. I don't think that's going to come about with somebody like Marvin Mims.

Starting point is 00:28:38 Yeah, I don't think lightning will strike twice in this situation at Denver has. And I think obviously everyone was going to be paying attention at Denver's receiver room throughout camp. And knock on wood, once again, you want guys to stay healthy. I think Marvin is far too valuable. If this team is going all in right now for a Super Bowl, Marvin is a guy that makes your chances of getting there and winning a lot better than

Starting point is 00:28:57 without him, in my opinion. But that is maybe our poll question of the day here, Broncos Country. Do you feel like the Broncos have better chance at getting to the Super Bowl and winning with Marvin than they do without him? Let us know your thoughts here on today's episode of the show. But Broncos Country, to wrap up today's episode tomorrow for all of you to get ready for training camp. We're going to meet with several players for media availability here later on this

Starting point is 00:29:18 afternoon. We'll get some of the key takeaways there and maybe some of the things that are coming out of Broncos camp here early on as day one of practice begins tomorrow. We'll have you covered here. Locked on Broncos.

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