Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Another Questionable Roster Move Has Cardinal Fans Upset

Starting point is 00:00:00 The St. Louis Cardinals made a roster decision that makes the Dylan Carlson trade look even worse. This is Locked on Cardinals. You are Locked on Cardinals. Your daily St. Louis Cardinals podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hey there, Cardinals fans. I'm J.D. Haffern and I'm a National Radio Sports anchor, born and raised in the Louvre and a lifetime Cardinals fan. And I'm your host for Lockdown Cardinals, part of the Lockedon Podcast Network covering your team every day. You can follow me on Twitter, X at JD Sports Radio and the podcast at L0 underscore Cardinals.

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Starting point is 00:00:58 for $20 off your first purchase. Terms applied, download GameTime today. What time is it? it game time. All right. So the Cardinals lost again on Tuesday night by a score of seven to five. They had Dylan Cs on the ropes a couple of times, but for usual this season, they couldn't deliver that killer blow that they needed. We're going to talk more about Tuesday's game later on in this episode.

Starting point is 00:01:22 But I wanted to talk about the transaction that was made yesterday first because it really upset some people, myself included, not not. so much the transaction itself, but what it represented. Okay? The Cardinals recalled relief pitcher Riley O'Brien from AAA Memphis and ended up designating relief pitcher Sean Armstrong for assignment. Now, in the grand scheme of things, if you just look at those two names, not a huge deal, right?

Starting point is 00:01:56 But when Sean Armstrong is the only thing you got in return for your former. our number one prospect, Dylan Carlson, at the trade deadline, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I don't like it. Yeah. Now, I can't sit here and tell you that the Cardinals should have gotten more in the deal because at the time when they made this swap with the Tampa Bay Rays, Dylan Carlson was a fifth outfielder. He's hitting under 200. He has no power, no home runs, couldn't hit righties, and now wasn't a hitting lefties, which used to be what he was really good at. So when you look at it that way, when you're like, all right, you traded a fifth outfielder for a reliever, a veteran reliever who in the previous year had a lot of success.

Starting point is 00:02:45 It doesn't come off so bad. In the time of the trade, I wasn't even that upset about it. I was like, oh, you know, maybe they found something here with Sean Armstrong, and he's going to fill that role in the bullpen because they needed another right-handed belief pitcher to kind of help fill the void that was left with Riley O'Brien going down and Keenan meddleton going down two guys that were supposed to be a big part of the bullpen this year and neither one of them have been around for it but it's the name right it's it's Dylan Carlson that is what upsets all of us because for years we were foonsped how great he was and how he was a five tool player that was going to be a

Starting point is 00:03:27 big piece of the Cardinals future uh I recall an interview that Mo did where he brought his name up among Albert Poole's. Like, you know, when we talk about prospects, I don't hate to, you know, compare him to Albert, but, you know, and he was, you know, raving about him. Everybody loved the kid. And to see him traded, not just for a reliever, but for a reliever who was then designated for assignment after 11 appearances, it just feels icky. It feels, ugh. like what that's it that's all that's all you're getting out of this and here's the other side of it too Sean Armstrong wasn't that bad he really wasn't that bad with the Cardinals he was actually pretty

Starting point is 00:04:13 good 2.84 ERA in those 11 appearances 12 strikeouts and 12 and 2 3rds innings the 5th at 2.77 ERA plus 153 not a guy you normally just tossed to the side throw away but The Cardinals have a number crunch now because you're getting people back from injury. Lance Lynn, Stephen Matt, Riley O'Brien. And according to Katie Wu in her article at The Athletic, here's the reasoning behind designating Armstrong for assignment. She says it allows him to still be eligible for the postseason with a new club, as long as he has picked up before MLB's postseason eligibility deadline of September 1st.

Starting point is 00:04:58 The Cardinals chose to cut Armstrong now rather than option another reliever to AAA because making him available ahead of that deadline could serve as incentive for a team to sign him and pay the remainder of Armstrong's $2 million salary. So in a way, it's kind of a salary dump is what we're looking at here. Armstrong is set to become a free agent at the end of the season. We all knew that. So this kind of tells me, too, that despite his good numbers with the Cardinals, they've been. probably weren't going to make a strong attempt to resign him anyways, because this is not how you treat somebody that you hope would be willing to come back and be a part of your team next year. And instead of the cardals having to pay him, they're like, well, let's see if somebody else

Starting point is 00:05:44 wants to fork it over and pay him. And someone else might. Again, he was not bad with the cardals. And it wouldn't surprise me if someone else grabbed him for their playoff push or run. It also says, at least to me, that this is kind of like a little hint of the white flag coming up, like realizing that perhaps this team is not going to go anywhere as far as playoffs here in 2024. And Riley O'Brien is somebody they'd rather see pitching because they want to see what he can do next year. So now in return for Tyler O'Neill and Dylan Carlson, two guys who seem destined to become mainstays in the Southfield for years to come, you have only Victor Santos to show for it.

Starting point is 00:06:35 That's it. That's all you got. For Tyler O'Neill and Dylan Carlson, you have AAA pitcher Victor Santos to show for it. Because Nick Robertson, who you also got from the Red Sox in the O'Neill deal, was designated for a site. and got claimed by the Angels. He's no longer with the organization. Santos, 24 years old, currently at Memphis, 4 and 7, ERA of 5.94. After 4 starts in July, they moved him to the bullpen,

Starting point is 00:07:03 and he has been decent since going there. Five appearances, eight innings, 2.25 ERA, eight strikeouts, two walks, two runs, one dinger. Maybe that's the role he goes to and can be, make an impact on your roster at some point there, which, okay, we all know we need relief pitchers. you know, having strong bullpins is huge. But at this moment in time, right here on August 28, it sure feels like the Cardinals got almost nothing in return for Tyler O'Neill and Dylan Carlson. And that sucks.

Starting point is 00:07:36 That sucks. It feels like a failure, doesn't it? Just being honest. In case you're wondering, Tyler Bronell has dealt with injuries again this year, but when he has been on the field, he's been pretty good. 261, 23 bombs, 47 RBIs, the OPS Plus 138. Dylan Carlson, since the trade, hitting just 228 with three home runs, 9 RBIs, OPS plus of 11 and 19 games.

Starting point is 00:08:06 It sucks. It sucks. All right. Speaking of sucking, how about the attendance in St. Louis? We got some fan feedback to get to. People want to talk about not only this particular move. I got a question about attendance. Also got some feedback on.

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Starting point is 00:11:12 available on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast, part of the Locktown Podcast Network, your team every day. A reminder, you can catch every pitch of the Cardinals SOMT's hometown broadcast with Sirius XM. Just download the SXM map. Search the word Cardinals. I was tweeting with the Cardinal fans yesterday about this move with Sean Armstrong. and, you know, I kept getting a lot of the same responses. You know, there's no direction with this team.

Starting point is 00:11:38 They don't know what they're doing. Burn it all down. Play the kids. So I figured for our fan feedback section today that we just start right there. All right. Let's just start with all of those comments that are coming in. People upset about the move. And I get it.

Starting point is 00:11:53 Trust me, I get it. My first reaction was of anger when I heard about the Sean Armstrong move that they were going to DFA him. because it's like, why are you trading Carlson then if you're not going to get anything back? But at the same time, I just kind of kept going back and forth between this. You know, if interest was so little on Carlson, then don't move it. But then the other side of me says, you know, it was time to move on for everyone involved, which is something that has been reported by people like Katie Wu that, you know,

Starting point is 00:12:25 both sides just wanted to make a clean break and move on with their lives. and I get that side of it too. Now, if the Cardinals had kept winning, would this move have taken place? Probably not. You know, if the Cardinals had kept winning instead of losing and Armstrong was doing what he was doing, which was being pretty good,

Starting point is 00:12:48 probably doesn't get designated at all. But with their playoff hopes slipping away by the day, the team wants to see Riley O'Brien. They want to see what they got there because they need to start thinking about what's going to happen next year. They need a better idea of what he can do at the major league level for next year. Because we've seen him, even before he became a member of the Cardinals, when he was in Seattle.

Starting point is 00:13:11 We saw that he's good in AAA. He's very good in AAA. That's fine. But it's a different story when you come up to the show. So they needed to see what exactly he could be at the major league level, got into Tuesday night's game against the Padres. they're going to be evaluating and judging him and seeing what exactly it is they've got because they've got some openings coming up.

Starting point is 00:13:36 I mean, is there a guarantee that Andrew Kittridge wants to come back and be a part of this team? I don't know. He seems fine, but, you know, if he gets other offers, you know, would you rather go somewhere else? I don't know. But he's a free agent at the end of the season. So that's another spot where you're like, all right, well, if he doesn't come back, you know, and we can keep saying things like, oh, well, you bring Kittridge back and you bring,

Starting point is 00:14:03 well, they got to want to come back. Maybe it doesn't. You've thought about that? I also got plenty of people saying that they had to get rid of Carlson. It was Bethford both sides. I'm just, it my thing is that I'm just disappointed about it. I'm just disappointed that, you know, another supposed star prospect has failed with this organization. You know, it's, it's, it's infuriating. Like, why can they figure this stuff out? Like, why do they keep failing? You know, I was brainwashed to believe that Dylan Carlson was the next big thing for

Starting point is 00:14:39 this team. And now that it has fizzled out for essentially nothing, it bugs me. It bugs me. And it freaks me out a little bit because I see what they've done with other supposed big time prospects in this organization, you know? The Yo-Yo Act with Matthew Libert. and Zach Thompson the last couple years. Bulpin, starter, bullpen, starter,

Starting point is 00:15:02 AAA, back to the majors, back and forth, they go. Libby has now carved himself out a nice little spot in the bullpen and I said this before. Don't touch him. Leave him alone. Let him enjoy success where he is.

Starting point is 00:15:18 He seems comfortable. He's doing a good job. Don't mess with it. Don't go, well, what if he could do this over five innings? Stop. Leave him alone. Let him be good at this. And if he becomes an elite left-handed relief pitcher, awesome. You need those kind of guys. It's okay. He doesn't have to be a starter if he's going to be that kind of guy in his relief role. He's been great. Let him be there. Zach Thompson. He's back starting again. Three and three, four point five OERA with Memphis, but you hardly hear anything about

Starting point is 00:15:57 When was the last time they brought up Zach Thompson on a telecast? Like, well, what is his future with this team? Former first round pick, mind you. Look what they've done with Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman. Does it really give me a whole lot of faith in their ability to get them back to where we thought they were going to be? You know, Lars Neupar has never ascended to the levels that they made us believe he was going to be. And I know we can't predict injuries. It happens.

Starting point is 00:16:34 But still, you know, Alex Reyes, I know it was injuries. Another one that just never ended up working out. Tragedy with Oscar Tavares, you know, nothing you can do about that. But it seems like since that point, there just hasn't been a lot of these top prospects that are supposed to be guys that make huge impact. on your team, they just don't live up to the height when they finally get to the major league level. The outlier right now is Mason Wynn, who has been incredible, should be up for NL rookie of the year votes this year, isn't going to win, but should at least get some acknowledgement for it. He's been awesome. So when we talk about, hey, go young, go youth, what makes you think

Starting point is 00:17:22 they're not going to screw those guys up, too? I just, I hate sounding like this, but the track record speaks for itself. It would be different if this was something that happened just once in a while, but it seems to be very common in this organization. It's become a pattern, and it's very disturbing. And we should all be worried about it. Because if the game plan is to develop and grow from within, that way you don't have to spend big money on free agents,

Starting point is 00:17:51 if you're not going to spend the money there, but you can't figure out how to develop these guys. You're going to be stuck where we are. are right now forever, forever, if not get worse. So from X, what are your thoughts on the attendance dropping? I'm a diehard fan and I'm still going when I can, but it's so sad to see it on TV. It is sad. I haven't seen anything like this since the mid-90s before Tony LaRusa came on board. The end of the Joe Torre era, Mike Jorgensen was an interim manager at the time. Sabo was on the team.

Starting point is 00:18:29 Tom Hinky, Scott Cooper, Pattonville. What's up? My high school, by the way, in case you're wondering. Now, I will never tell someone what they should or shouldn't do with their money. But the fans are making their point very, very clear that they are just unhappy with this product. They don't like the decisions that are being made and are choosing to spend their time and their money elsewhere. They announced tickets sold crowd of, what, 27,224 on Tuesday night was smallest for a Cardinals home game since April 28th of 05.

Starting point is 00:19:05 And that was at Bush Stadium too. And the numbers just continued to dip lower and lower pretty much every game. Reports were there's only about 13,000 people in the building, actually. You know, there's tickets sold and then there's people who actually come through the turnstiles. 13,000 is what we're hearing. You know, the fans are telling you what they, what they think of your product, Mr. DeWitt. The ball is in your court. You got to figure out how to turn this around because they're fed up.

Starting point is 00:19:40 They went through it all year last year. They didn't like the moves that were being made this offseason outside of Sunny Gray. I think most people were like, yeah, that's a good one. And then they saw the Gibson and the Lynn signings with that. And they're like, what? No, what? That's it? And immediately we're turned off by it. I mean, we got so much pushback on that one. And I understood like the idea of it, but still, it just was like, well, let's, let's take these spare parts and see if we can build something. Instead of, let's go get a freaking hemmy and build an engine. They didn't do that. They went, they went the cheaper direction, the one-year direction, and it's failed. It hasn't worked. Feedback from yesterday's episode about Pete Alonzo and Anthony Santander.

Starting point is 00:20:28 Now, believe me, I get it that signing either one of those guys is probably a little far-fetched, specifically Pete Alonzo. But it was something different to talk about because I don't want it to all be doom and gloom. So I just thought I was like, well, let's switch it out, man. Let's do a little something. From YouTube. Cards don't need a free agent at first base. They've got several young guys for that position.

Starting point is 00:20:53 if you're going the free agent route, get some number one and number two pitchers. Yeah, great. Do you think the Cardinals are going to pay any of those guys to get the number ones and number twos? You think Corbyn, Max Fried, Blake Snell, even Jack Flaherty,

Starting point is 00:21:07 you think they're going to fork over the money? Those guys are going to command it would take to sign them. That's really the question, because a lot of times, you know, because I've mentioned before, you know, what free agents are going to be attracted to coming to the St. Louis Cardinals at this time with the way things are right now. And money is the only way to win that over. If somebody is on the fence of

Starting point is 00:21:30 whether or not they want to play in St. Louis, you've got to overpay. Be like, well, we'll give you this. And all right, hard to turn that down. I'll come play. But are these guys, is this front office going to do that? No. No, what makes you think they'll do that? You know, guys are lining up at the door to work with Ollie and Turner Ward, who I accidentally called Taylor Ward yesterday, I apologize for that. Thanks for pointing that out. Slipping the tongue. I'm sorry. I play too much M.O.B. The show and Taylor Ward's on the game.

Starting point is 00:21:59 I don't think. I think Taylor Ward instead of Turner Ward all the time. Forget me. Dusty Blake. You think they're lining up for Ali, Dusty, and Turner? Hey, J.D. Santander's bad would play for any team. His legs are not sexy when it comes to his outfield range,

Starting point is 00:22:17 especially at Bush, but if he gets to a ball, he will make the play. He does have a decent throwing arm. Another way to go is put Siani. the second and Newpar Walker in the outfield and go get to number two starting pitchers to compliment Gray, Thuddy, and Palante. Well, defensively, great. Ciani, Scott, Newt, that'd be great. But how's that offense looking, buddy? Have you got those three in the lineup? Scott's hitting like 157. Ciani was around like the 260s, but, you know, not these are going to, we're talking about

Starting point is 00:22:52 eight and nine whole hitters right now. And Newbar had some big hits recently. And it's great to see. But, you know, what do you really expect out of Lars Newpar these days as far as offensive production? Anything special? I don't. Why would you? I still haven't seen it.

Starting point is 00:23:10 So I love Siani and I've seen the strides. Scott is made. But right now, all of them are below average major league hitters, really. And we've seen what a team who can't score does night in and night out this year. You really want to go through that again? Walker, I'm hoping for good things. Yeah, but I don't know. It's time to put some pop into this lineup.

Starting point is 00:23:31 And if it's not going to be any of the young guys, you've got to go out and pay for it. And then just be kind of like, well, defensively, we're going to have to take a step back so that we can score some runs. Yeah, it's great. You're catching everything in the outfield, but you're putting up two, maybe three runs a night.

Starting point is 00:23:48 You're still not going to win. So it makes me lean towards, getting more offense, offense over defense right now. That's just me. Keep the feedback coming, though. This is like a Cardinal fan therapy session now. We got to get through it all together. We'll talk it out.

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Starting point is 00:27:31 or anything like that. Part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day. Speaking about attendance, has anybody seen this guy? Where's this guy at? Have we seen him? Have we located him? We miss him. We miss him in his energy and his nipples. All right. The Cardinals lose 7 to 5 on Tuesday night. had a two-to-nothing lead on one of the best pitchers in baseball in Dillon C's but Miles Michaelis, cough said right back up, 36 pitch, four run, second inning. We've seen it time and time and time again, Michaelis Roulette, you spin it, you never know which inning you're going to get. He always seems to have one bad inning this time.

Starting point is 00:28:15 It was your second inning. Outside of that, he was good. I give Michaelis credit when he deserves it. I will shatter him when he doesn't. doesn't deserve it. And this is nothing new. This is Miles Michaelis. The game that he pitched against Milwaukee was beautiful. It was beautiful. And you'll see that from time to time for Miles, but most of the time, this is what you get. About five innings. One of those innings is going to suck. You got to make sure you can get through that to pick up the win and the Cardinals couldn't do it.

Starting point is 00:28:47 Game really came down to the team's inability to hit with runners in scoring position. It's been a problem all year. And there was once again in bright, shining neon lights for all to see as they stranded the bases loaded, not once, but twice. They go one for 10 with runners in scoring position. They strand 10 total in the game while the Padres go four for seven with runners in scoring position. They strain only four. That's it. That's your ball game. You can point at those two stat lines and see exactly why the Cardinals lost. And it's something that they've had a problem with. all year. This is not new. It's the same movie over and over and over. And when they come through with runners in scoring position, just a couple of times, they tend to win. By the end, stranded a small

Starting point is 00:29:37 village last night on the basis. For the season, the Cardals now have a 224 team average with runners in scoring position. Last in the National League, ahead of only Tampa Bay in the White Sox in the major leagues. It's awful. It's awful. And it's to the point now, obviously, because we're creeping up on September now that we've seen it enough, where when the guys do have people on in scoring position, everybody's expecting the strikeout, the pop out, the double play, anything but a hit. That's what everybody is expecting. And they point and laugh when it happens. I'm happy to see Paul Goldschman have a nice day last night. Again, I give Paul Goldschman. a lot of grief because it's just been that kind of year for him.

Starting point is 00:30:23 It's not that I don't like Paul Goldschmidt. I do. I root for him. A great guy. I want to see him do good. Three hits last night, including the two-run moonshot that briefly gave the cardals a five to four lead. People were feeling pretty good about themselves at that point, but couldn't hold on to it.

Starting point is 00:30:39 I had that amazing catch by Victor Scott the second on Jackson Merrill, which was a thing of beauty. Mason win, two more hits. He bet in 284 now. Again, NL rookie of the year votes. he's probably going to be right up there among the top five for sure. At least he should be. I hope he doesn't get shut out at all.

Starting point is 00:30:58 Luke and Baker got the start, promptly strikes out three times. He's one of the guys who struck out with the bases loaded. Another time with the time run on second in the eighth inning. Did have a sack fly, so it wasn't all negative, but kind of a night to forget for the big guy. There's not much more to say about it. Riley O'Brien came in. then. Fine, I guess. Like, I just, you know, it's just the same stuff over and over, you know,

Starting point is 00:31:33 just disappointment. It's disappointment almost every night. They lock horns again this evening of Bush Stadium, Andre Palante, who's been a bright spot recently. We'll go up against Joe Musgrove, who has been injured a lot this year. So, you know, best of luck, first pitch. Is that at 645. Thank you for making a lockdown Cardinals your first list in every day. If you haven't already, give me a follow on Twitter, X, at L.O. underscore Cardinals in a J.D. Sports Radio. Like, subscribe on YouTube, up our channel and our love for the Cardinals grow. Get that feedback in, please. More fan feedback. The more, the merrier, more discussion between each other. I wish I had phone lines and stuff that I could open up and you can call in and we

Starting point is 00:32:14 can talk about it live and stuff, but not the capability here. But when you write on YouTube and you write on Twitter X. Those are things that I can take, bring it into the show, and we can chit chat that way as well. So I appreciate all the support. I know it's tough right now. And I think all of you who are sticking with me and hanging with us as we go through another disappointing into a cardinal season, it ain't going to get any easier. Got the Padres for two more, and then we go to New York, to base the Yankees. September lightens up a little bit. So maybe we'll We'll get more wins and stuff. And maybe we'll see some of that youth come up in September and we can talk about them.

Starting point is 00:32:53 But I know, it's rough right now. But we'll just keep chugging along. Appreciate you guys. We'll see you next time on Lockdown Cardinals.

Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Another Questionable Roster Move Has Cardinal Fans Upset

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