Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Can St. Louis Cardinals FANS Withstand the REBUILD TORNADO that's About To Hit?

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

St. Louis Cardinals face a turning point, entering a rare full rebuild after decades of playoff contention. Will fans stick by their team as stars like Nolan Arenado and Sonny Gray hit the trade market? Paul Francis Sullivan (Sully) and JD Hafron spotlight the moves shaking up the franchise, including the blockbuster Sonny Gray deal to Boston and open discussions about trading Brendan Donovan.0:00 — Cardinals’ Fanbase & Rebuild3:19 — Cardinals’ Trade/Rebuild Strategy13:50 — Devin Williams Mets SigningFollow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-st-louis-cardinals/Locked On MLB League-Wide: Every Team, Prospects & More🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/leagues/mlb/Follow on Twitter/X: @JDSPORTSRADIOFollow the show on Twitter/X: @LO_CardinalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONMLB for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelToday's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. The NBA and NFL seasons are here, visit the FanDuel App today and start planning your futures bets now.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)#ForTheLou #stlcards #mlb #lockedoncardinals #stlouiscardinals Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

For two decades, the Cardinals were baseball's model of steady contention, but facing a real rebuild, St. Louis fans' famous loyalty is about to face its toughest test yet. You are a locked-on MLB crossover, part of the Locked-on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hello, baseball fans, and welcome to a Locked-on MLB-Lodd Cardinals crossover, part of the Locked-on podcast network, the number one sports podcast. Network, where it's your team every day. I am the host of Lockdown MLB.

My name is Paul Francis Sullivan. Please call me Sully. Follows the Lockdown MLB pods on Twitter, whatever they call it these days. And on Instagram, I'm at Sully Baseball podcast and Instagram. We've got a hold of us here on the YouTube's and make sure to use that hashtag every day. Sully, it helps us find your comments.

But I said it's a crossover. I'm a man of my word. And we are not flying solo today. No way. We are bringing in. No way Jose Okendo are, we flying solo today coming in coming in hot from the middle of america it's jadie haffron of the locked on cardinals how you doing buddy i'm good we're trying to uh stay warm here in the midwest bro

we're getting hammered by snow uh we're not prepared for usually january february february is when we get smashed here we are started december and we're already uh eight eight inches in st louis not cool. Wow. Well, just to give you an idea, we here in Pasadena, California, are also going through a living hell. I had to put on a sweatshirt. And it got, it got to the low 70s today. And it's sort of, it's like the revenant here. You know, it's at some point you wonder, am I going to have to sleep in a horse? How cold can it get here in Pasadena? I may actually have to wear long sleeves tomorrow. But enough about gloating out the weather here. The St. Louis Cardinals, let's face it, it's not been a since losing that wild card series to Philadelphia

a few years ago where they had the lead in game one. It looked like they were about to just turn it into, all right, Philadelphia is there an afterthought. They were the last team in and we're looking really good. And they got the band back together. They got Poo-Holson, all these players have acted ever one more glorious time. They fell apart in that playoff series. And since then, the Cardinals have not been really relevant.

I mean, they did have a winning season in 2024, but they haven't been relevant. And they weren't relevant in 2023 at all. They were actually pretty bad. Last year, they were the worst kind of team in that they weren't bad enough that you should blow this up, but they weren't good enough to get in or even to be a factor in an expanded playoff. this has this has been a growing concern for a team that had a marvelous 2010s tell me your thoughts is this team going to rebuild is this team going to make a run you know try to make a run for

it what's what's the what's the strategy here well the strategy whether fans are on board or not is that this is a rebuild they don't like using that word apparently that's a big no They used things like runway last year to describe what they were doing. The runway they were giving younger players so they can see what they have in-house already. But it is a rebuild. The Sunny Gray trade is something that obviously was, you don't do that if you're trying to win. You don't trade away your best pitcher. So you wouldn't do that.

Nolan Aronado is on the market as well for a second straight year. Brendan Donovan has been shopped as well. Just kind of gauging what the interest in him. It's not one of those situations where the guy get rid of him or he's going to be a free agent next year and he's going to get away for nothing. It's just like, hey, we're just trying to get as many pieces as we can at this moment. We know we're not in a win now window, which is very odd for Cardinals fan. So, but they haven't been in one like you said since 2022, really. Since the debacle that was 23, they've kind of had the right.

riding on the wall where like, all right, this is going down the wrong path. And we need to punt. We need to move on from some of these guys. And unfortunately, it took a little longer than I think some people wanted it to. And now we're here where Nato is still on this roster, take it up space. But hopefully things like that will get changed this off season as opposed to last year when Sonny didn't want to leave. And Wilson Contreras didn't want to leave. And Arnato didn't want to leave in a toe to trade of Houston. So things seem to be moving a little more swifter this time around. I think one thing that also, I mean, I'm not going to speak for Cardinal fans,

but I do think something that has made these last couple of years really tough to swallow is to see after, you know, basically two straight decades where they were pretty consistently a playoff team. They're up from 2000 to 2009. They were in the playoffs, if not every year, then almost every year. And then, of course, between 2011 and 2019, they seem to be in the NLCS every year. And they picked up a couple of titles, a couple of the penance along the way. And so for Cardinal fans up and from basically from the year 2000 to 2022, with a couple of hiccups here and there, it was pretty steady of contention.

And then you see this decade where, yeah, you had the wild card loss to Los Angeles and to Philadelphia. They ever won a playoff game since winning the division series against Atlanta. They ever want to playoff game. And I know I don't have to tell you that. And then you see some of the pieces they traded away like a Roserina wins a Cy Young. Adoles Garcia wins a, you know, is a playoff hero. Randy Rosarena is a playoff hero. All these are Cardinal Farmhands, and you're kind of looking like,

geez, you know, this is not looking great. And I'm sorry, I feel like I'm throwing salt in your wound here, buddy, but the two big honkin moves to ensure a dynasty into the 2020s, Aronado and Paul Goldschmidt has, is, you know, a Busterino. And isn't their fault. It isn't because the two of them have stunk, but it is, you can't deny the fact that, you know what, those two players were brought in to keep the glory going. And it just, it hasn't happened.

Yeah, and that's kind of what happened. In 2022, you have Goldie winning the MVP. You have not. It was a finalist for the MVP. You get Albert chasing 700 and just going nuclear in that second half. And then it all came to a screeching halt with the loss against Philadelphia, which I'm going to call out Connor Thomas, who does locked on Phillies because we were texting during that. And he was like, it's over, man. This was like seventh inning.

He's like, it's over. You guys are going to win this series. And lo and behold, everything changed in that final inning. And then for whatever reason, both Aronado and Goldie fell off a cliff in 2020. Yeah. Like everything just wins. I mean, way south. It wasn't like a gradual like, oh, you know, they still hit 30.

No, it just went. And then they're looking around like, okay, well, who's our next two pillars that we're going to, we're going to have, you know, to lead the charge here when both of these guys are gone. And those were supposed to be names like Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker and neither of them have panned out. None of their pitching prospects have panned out. And it really kind of got down to what made the Cardinals so good for so long was that they had a very strong. strong farm system. And they were able to compliment the pieces they would bring up by making trades for those big names. You know, the Matt Holidays and the Scott Rollins using Larry Walker. Yeah. Yeah, using pieces from the farm system to go get those big names,

Jim Edmonds. And then they would kind of, they'd lure them in almost and be like, all right, let's lock you up. You've had some fun here, right? That's how they, they worked it over the years. And it just stopped working over the last like three or four years. Their farm system fell way behind in the times. They weren't producing enough prospects. Nobody wanted to trade anybody to them. And it just kind of fell apart. And it got to a point where John Moseilock, who was president of baseball operations, he decided to move on after a long, long successful tenure, although a lot of people in St. Louis are still upset with the man. But he had a really good, long, successful run with the Cardinals. So it's hard to get mad at him for a

couple of stinky bad years. But you mentioned it. The, the trades that they made did not pan out. The move for Marcelo Zunas trading Alcantra and Zach Gallin did not work out. You know, they made a lot of mistakes along the way. And it's finally caught up to him here in 2025, going into 26. And Tommy Edmund, by the way, there's another former Cardinal who got, who had postseason glory with another team there. Yeah. And was they like, you know, he's like the TV show match. He had, it was a great run. It probably went on for, about three or four years too long. Yeah.

But unfortunately, unlike MASH, MASH had a spectacular ending. And, yeah, it might be time to turn the page. When we come back, we're going to talk about what the best route of turning the page is and why I think the sunny gray trade was actually one of those rare trades that may help out two teams.

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I can do that for the NFL. You can do that for NHL. I could do that for college basketball. I could do that for, we have so many locked ons. We are eventually, it's going to fold into itself, and there's going to be locked on, locked on, where there's a podcast, a lockdown podcast where they cover the other lockdown podcast.

That will be the ultimate folding over the layer cake we can have. Okay, I need to stop immediately. I like the sunny gray trade for St. Louis and for Boston. Boston needs another good starting pitcher. They don't need an ace. They don't need an ace. They need another pitcher that can pan the ball to every five games and say, give us a shot.

He also doesn't have a lot of years left in his contract. So it's not like they signed them to like a 19-year deal. I mean, it's a short-term move. And the Red Sox are trying to build upon the momentum of finally getting back to the postseason. Richard Fitz played in the majors for the Red Sox. He's a major league pitcher. You know, you're shedding payroll in a rebuild. You get a young major league pitcher.

Brandon Clark is a decent pitching prospect. So they got a major league pro. You got a major league pitcher and a prospect to put into their system for a guy who's not part of their long-term plans. So I think that's the kind, if that's the kind of move the Cardinals are going to make if they're going to start trading away some of their veterans, that is put a major league on their major league roster and put a decent player in the system, then that's how you rebuild.

And if this is the way they're going to pull some of these off, because they are going to have to trade Aronado, they are going to probably have to trade Contreras. They're probably going to have to trade Brendan Donovan while he has value. All these different players are going to be sent off. So I felt good about that trade for both teams. What do you think? I agree. We were pretty excited to see what they were able to get in return, sending $20 million.

That was the one thing that was good to see that ownership goes, look, we get it. We got to eat some money here. If we eat a certain amount, we can get better players in return. turn. So they sent 20 million to Boston as well, but they were able to secure, as you mentioned, a major league pitcher who should be ready to go in the rotation for next year on a very thin rotation for the Cardinals right now, but Fitz should slide right in. It should be one of those guys. And then they, they are very excited about the upside that Brandon Clark has, left-hander, triple digits, wicked slider, has some control issues, which, you know, I've had some of the fans and have

commented. They're like, they're like, that's always such a bad thing. I mean, we saw, you know, John Kruk in the All-Star game, turning the helmet. Lefties don't want to face crazy lefties who have control issues. So that's something they'll work on. He's 22 years old, still got plenty of time to get those things ironed out, which is going to put Heinblooms, you know, player development task force into motion. You know, we're going to see what they can do with some of these guys and what they can do with them and mold them into hopefully, you know, major league players that impact this roster sooner rather than later.

As you mentioned, Arnado, I don't know how much of they're going to have to eat of his remaining contract to get much in return. That was the thing is. Sunny Gray at least was in demand, right? He still had pretty good seasons with the Cardinals. Nato's been going in the wrong direction for three straight years. And most people have just given up on his bat. The glove still plays. But I don't know who's all interested in acquiring that bat the way it's been the last few years. So it's going to be tough.

also got the no trade clause. So in that limits where where they can send them. But at the end of last year, they both kind of said it out loud without really saying it that, hey, we're heading in different directions. And what's best for Aronado and the Cardinals is to split amicably. Wilson Contreras still appears to want to stick around. He said he'd listen if there were any deals out there. But he kind of wants to be a part of this rebuild that St. Louis has going on.

So whether he changes his mind at the time. some point, whether, you know, he sees other pieces get moved like Nello after Gray. If Britta Donovan goes, maybe he decides, you know, maybe I don't need to be here anymore. But so far, he seems to be a guy that does want to stick around. And as you mentioned, Bernard Donovan, they're going to see what people would give up for him. You know, he's a commodity. They can do a lot of things. And, you know, teams like the Tommy Edmund trade, teams that are ready to win and going to

compete, they love to have that kind of Swiss Army knife that Brin and Donovan can ring to the table. He's not expensive. He's got a couple years more of control. So there's a lot of reasons why teams that are going to compete for a championship this year would want to get their hands on them. I think you also see with a universal DH now to have a player who can play multiple positions and give a regular spot in the roster in the lineup. I mean, as a DH, I think that's one of the things that like Max Muncie, why he's so vows. And Edmund, for that matter, is so valuable with Los Angeles. By the way, I got to correct something here, and someone called me out on it.

Thursday is good, said, did the Dodgers sign Turner? Can't find any concrete news about it. I made a mistake in yesterday's show. I said that the Dodgers had reacquired Justin Turner. And apparently what had happened, the source of my information was a friend of mine who texted me. It said, Turner's coming back to the Dodgers. And he texted me that just before my show began. and I realized afterwards when I texted him,

there was a question mark at the end of his text. As I'm going back to the Dodgers as if to say, hey, what about that move? And I reported it as if it happened. There is a move that just happened that you were going to report. Oh, yes, there is a move that just happened. By the way, I just want to say, I know the Cardinals have. In fact, let's get to that in segment three.

But, you know, the Cardinals have some pieces. Mason Wynn is a nice player. You know, I mean, is he, superstar, I don't know, but he's a nice player. You're hoping Jordan Walker, who didn't have a good year last year, but you're hoping he's a talented player can turn some things around. You're hoping Victor Scott the second. And if he doesn't work, you go right to Victor Scott the third. And of course, the player that I want, you know, I know he's not top prospect, the player, I want to become the next legend in Cardinals history. And that's Jimmy Crooks, because his name is,

Jimmy Crooks. That is the name. That's a name of a gangster, you know, Jimmy Crooks is out there, but see, I mean, I, we need, I love names like Jimmy Crooks. And, you know, he's a catcher, young catchy, you know, he only played a handful of games for the team, but I want Jimmy Crooks to succeed. Because Jimmy Crooks would be in the gas house gang, you know, that would be alongside Frankie Frisch and Pepper Martin and, you know, all those guys there. And of course, you have Lars Neutbar, who, I mean, didn't have a very good year last year, but, well, I love that name. I absolutely. I mean, and he's a fun player, too.

So of the players, we're going to stay on the squad. Who do you think of the best building blocks and who do you think the best prospects are to look forward to? Well, Mason Wynne kind of took over. I feel like the role that was supposed to be like the new face of the franchise coming up was supposed to be Jordan Walker. He was supposed to be Batman and Mason Wynne Wynne was going to be. Robin, their best friends off the field, and they were coming up together. And then Jordan Walker has had his issues, which he's working on once again,

this offseason and is hopefully unlocking all of that ability that made him a first round pick and one of the top hitting prospects in baseball just a couple of years ago. But Mason Wynn has his game has continued to rise. Offensively, he's still kind of getting up the speed there, you know, not great numbers offensively, but he goes out and wins the gold glove this year at short. stop. I think he's a pillar that if you're talking about young guys that you want to eat arbitration years and give an extension to, I feel like Mason wins got to be at the top of the list. He's one of those guys that just he just exudes confidence. He's just very smooth and everything

he does. And I think the bat is going to get better as he continues his career. The one that stood out last year that nobody really saw coming, but all he's done is hit throughout his career is Alec Burleson, who's nickname, by the way, in case you're unaware, is biscuits. So I think you would love that to have a biscuits. Biscuits and new,

biscuits, New Bar and Crooks. Try to tell me that's a private eye show from the 80s. Right, right. And he's a fun dude. Like he's a character as well and keeps everything light in the clubhouse. He's one of those guys.

Goes out and wins a Silver Slugger Award this year. So he's somebody that I don't think they thought was going to be. somebody that they can build around, but all he's done is succeed every, every level that he goes to, whether it was in college, whether it was in the minors where he won a batting title. And now he's doing it in the major leagues where he took a big leap last year where he always hit Ritey's pretty well and really struggled against lefties, but he turned that around this past year. So he's somebody that has also been mentioned in trade talks because, you know,

who wouldn't be interested in somebody like that? But from what I've heard, it's going to take a king's ransom. They'd have to be blown away by an offer for them to even think about moving burly. But those are a couple guys. JJ Weatherholt is their top prospect. And that's kind of the reason why you're seeing them shot Brennan Donovan and Nolan Gorman is because and Arnado. They're moving infielders around because they got to find a lane. They got to find a spot for JJ who had a monster year in the minor leagues last year. His first full season made it all the way up to AAA. Mashed there. He's going to play second or third. One of the two, whichever one needs a dude is where he's going to go.

He comes up as a shortstop. Mason wins there. So you don't need to have him play shortstop. So second or third, whoever gets traded away, if it's Donovan and then they can move JJ to third after Aronato's gone. Or they have Gorman that can play third and JJ goes, whatever it is. They'll figure it out. But that's a guy that I think a lot of fans are hoping will be on the opening day roster. If he's not there opening day, he's going to be up there whenever that first date is that you can start bringing the guys at like in April, whatever that one date is. And we're going to see him in St. Louis in 26 for sure. All right. When we come back, we're talking about a signing that took place that caught me by surprise.

Quickly, let's do the trivia question from yesterday. It was what franchise is the only one to never have a home run champion? Notice how I phrase it, what franchise is the only one to never have a home run champ. You know what the answer is, JD? I don't. Angels? Well, you know what? You and Jackson Van Hoos are guesting the Angels,

but no, they've had a home run champion, including Reggie Jackson at one point. Oh, okay, okay. Guess the Padres? Nope, nope. They had one recently. And with,

I almost said Machado. No, it was Tatis. And also they had had Caminiti. A lot of people guess the Nationals Expos. Bryce Harper would like a word with you. But Gavin L.

L. L. Luhash 2994 is at Everyday Sully. Says the answer to question the Houston Trash Rows. And that's correct. There you go. That's the answer to the question. Houston's never had one.

Never had one. They've come close. They've never had one. Hey, Devin Williams, went to the Yankees last year and had a disastrous season. So much so I did a whole podcast comparing him to a critical subplot in the film Citizen Kane, where Charles Foster Kane kept pushing his wife onto the stage to be a great opera singer, even though she didn't have the talent.

And Brian Cashman and Aaron Boone kept pushing Devin Williams onto the mound to be a closer, even though he clearly couldn't handle it. His ERA, he lowered his ERA to 4.7. which means after he had a very good month, he lowered it so he was only letting up more than a run every other inning, which you don't need as a closer. He obviously did not fit in New York. Obviously, the bright lights of the big city were too much for him. So naturally, the Mets said, give me some of that and rewarded him with a three-year deal. I thought he was going to get a one-year deal from someone saying, hey, he had a fluke bad year and a team like the Padres or a team like the Royals,

a smaller market team would say, hey, then you'd get out of the bright lights. But no, the Mets took one look at that and said for the next three years, that's our guy. For a team that spent money like Richard Pryor and Brewster's millions last year and couldn't catch the Cincinnati Reds for the final spot in the playoffs, Um, what? I know, I know that, uh, Stearns who runs the squad knows him from his Brewers days and probably says,

ah, I know he's better than that. But three years after that year? And closers flame out really fast. Uh, the hell? What do you think of this? I'm a little confused by it as well. The three years thing with no opt-outs, no like security blanket for the Mets to get out of it if they need to or for Devin to get out of it and make more money if he needs to.

That's like unheard of these days, right? Everybody signs multi-year, first year opt-out. Isn't that the rule? I thought they had to do it these days the way things are going with the contract. But yeah, a bit of a shocker. I was on board with you as well thinking that he was going to go to a smaller market team perhaps someplace a little more cozier, a little more comfortable. And to stick around in New York, man, look at the Cajonis on Devin Williams, man. He says, give me, I'll try it again. Why not? Give me three years of this. I, you know, I think, I can't remember where I predicted he was going to go.

I think I predicted he was going to go to, like, I thought maybe San Diego or maybe, I can't see. I can't remember. I got to go back to that episode. But my thought process was he's going to get a one-year deal because some team is probably like, look, he's not as bad as he was the first half of the season. So let's sign him to a one-year deal so he can prove it. If it is, because we've seen how fast closers can flame out. They, I mean, you look at, you know, if you, if you have a list of who like the five or six best closes are in any one year, go to five years down the line and do that process again, you're going to see one or two names show up.

The pictures like. I got one for you right here. Ryan Helsley last year. He was the NL reliever of the year for the Cardinals in 24 last year starts to fade away a little bit, goes to New York isn't a closer anymore and gets sheled for whether he's tipping pitches or whatever. But it happens that quick all the time. You're absolutely. Absolutely correct. I mean, think about Coach E. O'Hara, whom I loved when he was a pretty good relief for Texas and everything, he comes to the Red Sox and he is and has one of the great runs, becomes a great postseason hero. And three years later, he's gone. Yeah. You know, it's like it really, it's a Rubik's Cube. It happens that fast. Friend of the podcast, Sean Doolittle, had, you know, sparked with the A's.

And then with, you know, in 2014, he, he really arrived as an All-Star closer and was a stud for them when they won the world the the nationals won the world series five years later and i adore you shan do a little but you know after that it was pretty much over and so williams is one of those pitchers who had a i mean his run he had in milwaukee was was fantastic and last year he obviously had the grotesque start to the season um but uh to think oh i do i think i think we got, I think this is three years worth, for a franchise that's trying to show that, hey, I know we're going to spend money smart this year, this is a big gamble because I have a feeling he wasn't getting many three year deal offers.

No, I agree. I wouldn't suspect he was either. Like, again, most of the stuff when it comes to closers, short term, because of how volatile it can be in that particular role. So it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to lock people up that long. And, you know, to move on from Edwin Diaz, who we think we'll sign somewhere else. I saw the report. I think he's going to go L.A.

I think he's going to go out. I think he's going to go to L.A. I think it makes a lot of sense considering how many issues they had this year with their bullpen. And, uh, yeah, they still go on to win a championship. No biggie. Uh, but yeah, it's, uh, it's just, you know, when you got all the money in the world, it doesn't really matter.

I guess it's easy to make those decisions to give out three years. It's not something the Cardinals are going to be doing anytime soon, Sully. But do you know what? They probably shouldn't. You probably shouldn't? So anyway, well, look it. That one really, that one really, I hate to do a double take. And this is, by the way, a day after I said the Dodgers signed Justin Turner.

I didn't want to say. This one's legit, though. This was legit. I double, I quadruple checked it. Jeff Passed from ESPN and John. John Hayman of the New York Post both report that. So don't play, it's not my friend texting me and I didn't see the question marks after it either. It looks like it's all real.

Oh, there are question marks. There are many, many questions marks. All right. Hey, thanks so much for making locked on MLB and locked on Cardinals. We're both part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, which is now the number one sports podcasting network. I brought about a trivia question here, one that has a little bit of, sarcasm to it and it's cardinal related. So I think, but don't answer if you know the,

because this is for tomorrow's audience here. How did the Cardinals reward superstar and manager Rogers Hornsby when he led the team to their first World Series title in 1926? That's right. When he was, when he led the team to their first ever World Series title as a player manager,

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