Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Fan Reaction To Jim Edmonds' Comments Is All Over The Place!

Starting point is 00:00:00 Reaction to Jim Edmund's comments yesterday, plus the biggest ifs for the Cardinals in 2025. This is Locked on Cardinals. You are Locked on Cardinals. Your daily St. Louis Cardinals podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast Network, your team every day. Hey there, Cardinals, I'm J.D. Hafford and I am your host for Lockedong Cardinals, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network covering your team every day. You can follow me on TwitterX at JD Sports Radio. You can also follow the podcast at L1 underscore Cardinals.

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Starting point is 00:01:05 And if you win, you'll score $200 and bonus bets. Just download the app or head to fando.com to get started. So Thomas Gauvain from RedbirdRance.com was set to join us today to talk some ball and family emergency. His son got sick today at school. So he had to leave and he wasn't able to make today's episode. Any parents out there know kids are always getting sick. So when it happens, you got to run and you got to do your thing. So unfortunately, you can't make it here today.

Starting point is 00:01:36 And honestly, it's not that surprising that his kid or anybody is sick these days. You know, we've had these freezing cold temperatures for weeks on end because, you know, it's wintertime. And then yesterday we had spring training like weather in St. Louis where, you know, it was really, really nice out. Kind of got me thinking about going out to the grill and grilling some stuff out. And it had me thinking about life in Jupiter and spring training with the Cardinals. and I'm starting to get really, really excited about the guy's reporting soon. Like, we're not that far off, but the up and down temperatures. You know how it is, man.

Starting point is 00:02:08 People get sick. It's rough on some folks. But anyways, Thomas should be back next week. And we hope we're a speedy recovery to his kid and to any of you who are dealing with illnesses right now. But before we get into some new stuff and things we were going to discuss with Thomas today, I want to quickly just kind of go back and read a few comments regarding yesterday's episode where we were talking about Cardinals Hall of Famer and former broadcaster, Jim Edmonds in the comments that he made on the morning after on 101 ESPN.

Starting point is 00:02:39 That's the morning show on there. It was a big story yesterday. And he talked about the issues with the broadcasting side of things, the technical side, and, you know, his part of the job saying it's just not the same anymore. And it kind of took the toll on the fun part of it. And, you know, he just didn't enjoy it the way he. he thought he was going to and that he wasn't going to be coming back next year. It was a pair that they weren't going to ask him back for next year.

Starting point is 00:03:08 So everybody's fine. They're like, you know, it's cool. I didn't really want to come back anyway. So we're all good there. But then he went on talking about the Cardinals and talking about them as a whole about how things are just weird and they're not fun around the organization like it used to be and how the alumni feel about it and how it makes them feel like they aren't wanted around the stadium anymore. And you can hear yesterday's episode in its entirety if you'd like.

Starting point is 00:03:37 But here's what some fans had to say about Jimmy, not only not coming back for the broadcasting side of things, but also his thoughts on the Cardinals. We'll start with Scott G here. Scott says sometimes the truth hurts. And he was one of the few in the organization willing to call out the problems in the front office and on the field. Lisa says it's always nice to hear an analyst who really knows the game

Starting point is 00:04:00 because they played it, especially on a high level. Unlike some who call a game like it is textbook, I learned a lot when listening to Edmonds, and that was very enjoyable. He kept things real. Terry says the mood has changed when Mo fired Schilt. Mo and company are the rot in this organization. R2D4 says he made valid points on the organization,

Starting point is 00:04:23 and the organization sucks now. And he pointed it out. They need to sell the team. The DeWitts have lost the real focused. LMS says, never understood the hate on Edmonds broadcasting. I liked his insight. And he was much more critical when it called for it. I'd rather take that over the vanilla,

Starting point is 00:04:42 always positive Brad Thompson. Thompson broadcasts like he can't say one negative thing about the team and everything is perfect. Tennessee Plowboy, which I thought was a funny name, because that is where Jim Edmonds is living now. I was in Tennessee, and he talked about that in the interview yesterday about how he enjoys being on the farm with his kids and his wife and doing that instead of doing baseball stuff all the time.

Starting point is 00:05:05 But Tennessee Plawboy says, wow, so genius. Jimmy finally breaks the top secret news that there are problems in the Cardinals organization. What a breaking news flash, not. He sounds like a disgruntled fired employee. It was so boring listening to Edmund's drone on about his playing day. I usually listened to the KMOX audio or the opposing teams broadcast whenever Edmonds was working, so glad he is gone. Rich says glad Edmonds won't have a microphone in front of them.

Starting point is 00:05:36 Funny how even his excuse was directed back towards himself. The guy is an egomaniac. He's narcissistic. He interrupts all the time. And honestly, he's got the personality of one of his bats. just because he played doesn't mean he needs to be a commentator. That's just some of the feedback that we got from yesterday's show. And it's not surprising.

Starting point is 00:06:04 You know, Jimmy's kind of a polarizing guy. You know, some people, as you can tell, do not care for Jim Edmund's personality. It's not one that really rubbed me the wrong way ever. You know, he's a guy that clearly thinks highly of himself and is very confident with himself. but I never worried about it. I just paid more attention to what he was saying about what was going on in the game. You know, all the other stuff I could care less about. But, you know, there's people that don't like him and just simply do not like him.

Starting point is 00:06:37 There are others who enjoyed his broadcast. That was one of the guys who enjoyed him. I don't know him personally. So I don't know what he's like off the field or not in the booth. So I have no, I have no feelings towards that. so however. But as far as people talking about what he brought up in that interview at 101 ESPN, you know, most people, I would say the majority, 90, I would say like a run around 95% of people were just like, hey, he's just speaking the truth. A lot of us knew these things were going

Starting point is 00:07:09 on. We knew something was off and he's just bringing it to light. And, you know, it's something that, you know, when you love something. And, you know, I clearly have a love for the cardinal. I'm sure you do too. And you hear somebody speak ill about them. Your first thing is to defend them. And that was my mechanism at first was like, oh, no. But at the same time, you know, like I said yesterday, it kind of is like opening my eyes to like,

Starting point is 00:07:35 maybe things aren't nearly as good as I thought they were. And maybe things are much worse than I thought they were or ever thought they were. And when you hear this from Jim Edmonds, And granted, this is one man's opinion, all right, and how he sees things. And I made sure that that was brought up over and over yesterday. This is not, you know, he can't speak for the whole group. He can't speak for every Cardinal alumni that is out there. He's just going off what he felt people were feeling like, at least how he felt.

Starting point is 00:08:08 And I'm sure he's spoken to many of the other guys. He's still friends with some of these guys. And that, you know, maybe they've expressed their discontent with things that are going on with the way they're being treated by the Cardinals organization at this point. You know, I hope we hear more from other guys who have played for the team or worked for the team and could shed some more light on this subject to see if, you know, everything that Jimmy is saying is how a lot of other people feel, because that would be an even bigger eye opener, I think.

Starting point is 00:08:42 But he can't speak for the whole group of where there's smoke, there's usually fire. So it's hard for me to just dismiss all of the things that he said, you know, saying that he's just salty and disgruntled because he's not with them. And maybe that's a little bit. But at the same time, I feel there's more to it. And Jimmy isn't the only former cardinal to actually say some things about the organization and question their methods or lack there of Thomas Covey, who was supposed to be on here today, actually wrote about today at redbirdrance.com

Starting point is 00:09:12 about some of the other people who have brought things up. up in the past. He brings up some other names who have had issues with the team, like Tommy Fam, obviously, is one that most people are familiar with. Zach Gallen, star pitcher for the Diamondbacks. He used to be in the Cardinals organization is another one. So check that out at Redbird grants.com if you get a chance. But we know that for this upcoming season, the Cardinals have plenty of questions, plenty of question marks heading into the year. And Thomas wrote a piece about the ifs for 2025. If the Cardinals are going to be successful this year, these things are going to have to happen. So we're going to cover those for you next on

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Starting point is 00:11:34 Thanks for making a lot on Cardinals your first listen every day. Leave your comments on YouTube as well as on Twitter X. Anytime you want your feedback is always welcome and encouraged our buddy Thomas Govane from Redwood, Rance.com. He's out today, but recently talked about specific ifs with the team heading into

Starting point is 00:11:50 the upcoming season. If this happens or that happens, then this could happen. So I want to run through a few of them here with you now. And these are some of the things the Cardinals will need to happen if they want to succeed this season. When I think of success for the 2025 season for the Cardinals, I'm saying at least the same number of wins as last year, 83 or more, hopefully, hopefully more, right? But at least 83 to have a winning record and to be competitive. You know, they finished second place in the division for a while. They were right there in the wild card. So something like that is what I'm looking for as the positive, you know, kind of a good ceiling for the Cardinals this year. Many people disagree. Many people think they're going to take a

Starting point is 00:12:35 major step back and be somebody that, you know, wins in the mid-70s, which I have a tough time believing that. I think these guys are better than they're getting credit for. But there are some ifs. There are some ifs. And the first one on Thomas's if list is Lars Noop bar, who we know he's been a fan favorite. Attitude-wise, there's not a better guy on the roster. You know, you fall in love with his energy and the way he plays the game. But he hasn't quite lived up to the expectations that the organization has had for him or the fans have had for him. And the if for Lars Noop bar, which Thomas talks about is, of course, his health.

Starting point is 00:13:12 You know, that's really been the issue with Lars. And Thomas says, I'm not saying Lars Newport needs to play 150 and more games. All I'm asking for is 130 games of a healthy Lars Newport. That's 80% of the games next year. That will be sufficient. New Bar has always been what's known as a stat cast darling. His baseball savab page is dripping with red. Newt bar is one of just five players in all of baseball who ranked in the 90th percentile or higher in hard hit rate and chase rate.

Starting point is 00:13:41 The only other players who fit that bill are Aaron Judge. Cal Schwarber, Juan Soto, Soto and Sayah Suzuki. For those keeping track get home, Newt Bar shares this statistic with two perennial MVP candidates and two fantastic offensive players. Now, he goes into some stats from 2023 to prove how good Newt Bar can be when he's healthy and he wraps it up by saying that Lars Newt Bar is an essential piece to the Cardinals puzzle of success next year.

Starting point is 00:14:07 He won't be able to carry the team by himself, but if he can stay healthy, he will help the Redbirds beat even their most optimistic projections. And I agree. It's hard to disagree with that. You know, it's something that it's been a bummer for Lars Neupar's career so far as a major leaguer. There's just always an injury holding him back. It happens, it seems like every 30 games, something happens to him. Last year, he got hurt in the spring and that ruined the start of the season. The year before, Wasn't it the thumb that he broke on like opening day? I mean, there's been so many injuries,

Starting point is 00:14:44 hard to keep up with it, but there's just always something. And I would love to see Lars get off to a hot start and a healthy start, more importantly, where he's not constantly trying to get back in the groove. You know, he's never been able to sustain a groove because he's always trying to come back from an injury. So it makes it very, very difficult to be consistent.

Starting point is 00:15:05 So Lars Dupar, whether he's playing, left field, center field, wherever it may be, got to keep them healthy, somehow, some way. Number two, if on Thomas's list here, Eric Fetty, who honestly, at least for me, has been kind of the forgotten man when we talk about this rotation because he, you know, it was with the team,

Starting point is 00:15:26 trade deadline move, but it was a very brief period before the cartels were out of it and people lost interest and weren't paying so much attention to them. They fall out of contention, and he really didn't do all that much to stand out to fans to make a really good impression when he was wearing a Cardinals uniform. Now, Thomas is it with Fetty is if Fetty is more like the pitcher in the first half of the 2024 season with Chicago, that's going to be a big boost for the Cardinals.

Starting point is 00:15:54 Thomas says this about Eric, do you know how many teams had at least two pitchers on their team who finished in the top 25 of all pitchers in war last year? And he's using fan graphs of war in case you're wondering. He says seven, the Royals, the Mariners, the Braves, the Padres, the Phillies, the Astros, and the Cardinals. The Cardinals had a Sunny Gray and Eric Fetty. Fetty had a career year last year with a 3.30 ERA and a 3.86 fifth in 177 in a third innings, which pitched for a 126 ERA plus. That's top of the rotation stuff there.

Starting point is 00:16:32 Now, after arriving in St. Louis, Fetty took a step back. The ERA went up nearly two points. A strike got dipped as walks rose. However, he did begin to settle down in the final month of the season. In four starts in September, Fetty had a 2.57 ERA with 17 strikeouts and 21 innings. He says, don't expect results like that from the 32-year-old Ritey, but it's definitely a strong sign for 2025. He doesn't have to be an ace, but the duplication of his 2024 season

Starting point is 00:16:58 will pair perfectly at the top of the Cardinals' rotation along with Sunny Gray. Yeah, you know, having the White Sox version of Eric Fetty, would be huge, would be absolutely huge for the Cardinals, an incredible boost to the team. And, you know, I think about that and then piggyback what Andre Palante could mean to this rotation next year. If he is like the guy that we saw in the second half of the season when he became a full-time starter, that would give you three solid guys. I'm not saying superstar, Cy Young, Ace guys, I'm saying, but that's three really good pitchers. And if the cardinals do fall out of contention again this year. It also makes Fedi a very valuable trade chip at the

Starting point is 00:17:44 deadline. You know, I hate to talk like that already. You know, I want to be positive, but the reality is most people don't think the Cardinals are going to compete for much this year. And I'm not expecting them to stink like they did in 2023, but similar to last year where they floated around 500 seems a more likely scenario to me. You know, the dream for the Cardinals rotation is to have gray and Betty, be like their all-star selves. Michael is to get back to his all-star form, which, you know, he's a couple of years removed from that and has been a big disappointment the last couple of seasons. Matt's, Stephen Matt's, can we keep him healthy?

Starting point is 00:18:23 Is that a possibility? Palante McGreevy to take that next step or even have Quinn Matthews, bring some excitement to the rotation in 2025. Those are, you know, that's the dream. And if you're thinking about what the Cardinals could do to contend for at least a wildcard spot or even a division title in 2025, you need these guys to be good. And at the top level that we've seen them at before. And that's the frustrating part about some of these guys, specifically with like Michaelis, where you know, you've seen him be pretty darn good at times. And there are like these glimpses where you see him in a game and you're like, there he is, you know, where he's pop.

Starting point is 00:19:05 in the corners, right? He's keeping the ball down. And he's not just throwing up gopher balls up there and just meatballs and throwing that, you know, that wee curve ball that is like an epis and just floats over the plate. Sometimes it catches people off guard and it works. And, you know, we laugh and golf clap for it. But just far too often, he's over the heart of the plate. And his stuff is just not good enough. It doesn't move enough. It's not, it doesn't have enough velo for it to make a difference. ends up being a 400 foot shot over a fence somewhere. So, but there are those moments where you're like, I know how you can be successful,

Starting point is 00:19:44 just stay away from the heart of the plate. Stephen Mats, we've seen him pitch very, very well at times. Health has always been his problem, his whole career. I wouldn't expect it to get any better this year. That's Fool's goal to believe that it will. That's why I say I think he should be in the bullpen. I don't think he's built to be a starter anymore. So I would like to see him in the bullpen and see Palonte and McGreevy and Quinn Matthews

Starting point is 00:20:08 or any of the other starters get a crack at that rotation over Stephen Matt. We're going to tackle two more of Thomas Govain's ifs for the Cardinals of East Six Festival next on Locked on Cardinals. Thank you again for making Lockton, Clarkson, Carlos, your first listen today for your second listen. You can find Locktime MLB. Baseball Guru Sully brings you the daily blend of humor in baseball covering all the teams across the league. Find Lockdown MLB on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts. Again, Thomas Govain from Redbirdrance.com, not here today, but we're going through his biggest ifs article at Redbirdrance.com to make the Cardle successful in 2025. Next up on the list, it's a two-four in this one.

Starting point is 00:20:54 Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman get brought up in this one. Thomas Govane says this about them. We'll start with what he says about Jordan, says that Jordan Walker was once a top three prospect in baseball, according to every outlet that does. such rankings. He was a high power monster of a hitter who was born to crush baseballs. He is a league average hitter after just 584 at bats. Nolan Gorman was supposed to be a power hitter in the middle of the Cardinals lineup. The lefty masher has hit 60 home runs in just over a thousand of bats, but he's got a strikeout rate north of 34%. Neither Walker nor Gorman have been the hitter that the Cardinals anticipated and needed them to be. Walker, he says, to be successful this year,

Starting point is 00:21:40 must do better than the 6.9% line drive rate that he posted last year in the majors, and he asked to get his ground ball rate under 50% if he intends on being a successful hitter. For Gorman to be a successful hitter this year, he is going to have to strike out less. With at a much lower rate, square up pitches, if Gorman could strike out at a 30% clip while hitting the ball as hard as he did in 2023, he could become an all-star. in short order. I've talked about both of these guys. This is absolutely on point

Starting point is 00:22:10 because these are the two guys that are supposed to be the new Goldie and Aronado. These are supposed to be the next two big pillars that you build this franchise around. And if they fail to become those players, the cardals are screwed.

Starting point is 00:22:29 They're screwed. On paper, if you get similar production from, you know, for guys from this this past year going into 2025. You get similar production and maybe even a step up from guys like Mason, Wynn and Alex Burleson, still very, very young, obviously. Wilson Contrera staying in the lineup the whole time, missed half the season. Vivan Herrera continues to hit the way he did this past year.

Starting point is 00:22:52 Plus Walker and Gorman end up panning out and becoming the guys we thought they were going to be. That's a pretty darn good lineup. I mean, it's not bad. having Goldie, Nato, Walker, and Gorman all struggle last year plus Contreras missing half the year because of injuries, it just destroyed this offense. I mean, those are five guys. They were supposed to be five of your best hitters. And they weren't. They weren't.

Starting point is 00:23:22 They weren't even close. Contreras was when he got to play. I'm not, I shouldn't say contraris was. He wasn't, but he couldn't play half the year because he got hurt. So, and that just, what team can survive that to have all of them go down? You know, it's just, it's almost impossible. And that's why when the Cardinals still had 83 wins last year, I tend to give them some credit for that. Because when all of them have bad years, specifically Goldie, Nata, Walker, and Gorman,

Starting point is 00:23:58 and you still win 83 games despite that. Something was going right. Bolpin obviously was pretty good. Pitching staff, relatively healthy. And then you had some guys like, you know, Mason Wend step up. And obviously, Britt and Donovan was a big piece to what was good last year for the Cardinals.

Starting point is 00:24:19 But if you could put them all together and have a consistently good season, on paper it shouldn't be as bad of a lineup as it was last. year. They should be much, much better. His fourth if on the list, the bullpen. And this one, I'm going to kind of tie together with another if of his where he talks about young pitchers stepping up. Here's what Thomas has to say that the bullpen will definitely consist of Ryan Housley, Matthew Libertador, Jojo Romero, John King, and Ryan Fernandez. The remaining three spots have yet to be determined. This is where the young crop of Cardle's prospects will come

Starting point is 00:24:54 in handy. Players like Michael McGreevy, Riley O'Brien, Gordon Grispo. So Zach Thompson, Quinn Matthews, Sim Robbersa, Ian Bidell, Cooper Jerpy, Matt Svonson, and Drew Rom. Could hear their names be called next year. Of this bunch, only McGrevy, O'Brien, Gricefo Thompson, and Rom have made their professional debuts in order for the Cardinals to be successful. At least two of these pitchers must be promoted and pitch well next year. Now, as it pertains to the bullpen specifically, Thomas says that last year the Cardinals played in 51 one-run games, which I know we all felt that. It seemed every game was super tight,

Starting point is 00:25:31 and we were always chewing our nails and, you know, very, very nervous anxiety all the time, constantly, one-run games, a total that trailed only the Brewers, tigers, mariners, rays, and athletics, and tied with the Cubs and Pirates. They finished with a 29 and 22 record for the fifth best winning percentage in set games. There's a high likelihood that the Cardinals find themselves

Starting point is 00:25:53 in a comparable amount of one-run games in 2025, given the lack of moves this offseason to dramatically improve the offense beyond prayers for internal growth and improvement. Therefore, the bullpen must be as stout as it was last year, particularly from the seventh inning on. Now, he points out with Andrew Ketridge gone, who was extremely good for the Cardinals last year. He says with him gone, Gordon Grecepho, Teen Kenz, and Matt Fonson could be dark horses to pitch late in games, even Cooper Jerpy or Tockeye. could surprise skeptics provide meaningful innings in relief. I don't have to tell you this. Having a good bullpen is a key to winning in this day and age.

Starting point is 00:26:35 Gone are the days, and it's going to upset some of my veteran fans, but gone are the days of guys pitching 7, 8, 9 innings. It just doesn't happen very often anymore. It's not how these rosters are built anymore. These guys are built to go 5, 6 innings, and then let the bullpen come in and take over from there. I know it upsets you. I get it.

Starting point is 00:26:55 But it's the way this game has changed. It's the same thing, how I still get it all angry about strikeouts. You know, it's been, it's become acceptable to strike out nowadays if you can put the ball over the wall. And it drives me bonkers, the amount of strikeouts and the amount of not putting the ball in play that teams are comfortable with drives me nuts. But when we talk about this bullpen, some of the guys that, you know, had big question marks over their heads for me. Riley O'Brien. I'm very curious what Riley O'Brien can do after essentially being hurt all season last year. A lot of hype in spring training.

Starting point is 00:27:34 Didn't pan out. Didn't pan out. But he's back. And he's not some old fart. And he doesn't appear to have any issues coming into spring training. It looks like he's going to be a full go. So I'm curious what they can squeeze out of Riley O'Brien. Is he somebody who can step up late in games?

Starting point is 00:27:50 He brought up Matt Sonson, who has closed in the minors. Andre Grenio is a guy is a name that I still am eager to see if he cracks the, you know, the roster at some point in the major leagues. He's had a lot of success in the minors as a late inning guy and is closed. It has had great success there. I don't know why he's not brought up more often. I don't know what it is about him that isn't good enough, but it'll be at camp this year. So I'm curious how he does. Chris Roycroft, someone who's got the size and the demeanor to fill a role like that.

Starting point is 00:28:27 I mean, he's a monster out there, six, eight, there's 96 on average. He's got this great extension because he's so tall where it looks like he's right on top of the hitter when he releases it. You know, hopefully they can mold him into something special. He's 27 years old now. You know, it's a little late in the game, but, you know, we've seen it happen many times before where a couple adjustments here and there. and all of a sudden they become something special. You know, can they figure something out with Chris Roycroft? Could Gordon Grispo help fill that role?

Starting point is 00:28:58 Or do they see him as a starter instead? Because what I don't want them to do, and every dayers know this about me, what I don't want them to do is the same crap that they did with guys like Zach Thompson, Jordan Hicks, Matthew Lippertzor, and have these guys who are starters in the minors. You know, Gricepho, Roeby, rob or so they're starters but they start going back and forth between reliever and starter

Starting point is 00:29:26 and reliever and starter pick a lane with these guys and let them live or die there either flourish in that role or they're not going to be a major league starter or reliever but just pick one just pick one and stick with it no more bouncing back and board that i do not one. The full article that Thomas wrote is in the description in the show notes below. Read it in full for yourself because he gets, you know, very more, much more descriptive and the ways these guys are supposed to be better next year. But don't forget to leave your thoughts in the comments section as well. Tomorrow's show we're supposed to have Cardinals beat reporter Jeff Jones joining us. So get your questions in the comments section for Jeff

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