Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Making Sense Of One Of The Strangest Series This Season

Starting point is 00:00:00 Well, if you're a fan of the story of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, then you've really enjoyed the Cardinals and the Reds series over this weekend. What's up? My name is Jeff Carr. His name is J.D. Haffron. We are the hosts of the Lockdown Reds podcast and the Lockdown Cardinals podcast, coming to you to recap this very strange split of a series for four games in which two games and two games

Starting point is 00:00:25 and they couldn't be more different. And we're going to break down exactly what we buy. in these four games. We're going to look at what's on tap for our two clubs. Like, is this what we got to work with for the rest of the season? And later on, we'll talk about some trade chips and what the Cardinals might be looking for, what the Reds might be looking for as we head into the thick of trade season. But I appreciate you all joining us here. Lockdown Reds and Lockdown Cardinals is, of course, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network. We are your team every single day. and JD and myself have been fans of our teams for basically our entire lives.

Starting point is 00:01:01 One of us has had a much, much more enjoyable go of it. But as we, so we kind of stick with our clubs. Like the way that this year has played out to this point, this series is just kind of more of the same. And I definitely want to want to get into that on today's crossover episode of Lockdown Reds and Lockdown Cardinals that is brought to you by Tax Network USA. Did you know that it's never too late to resolve your tax issues with the IRS? Don't wait.

Starting point is 00:01:33 Reduce your tax debt and get help from a team of licensed professionals. Call 1,800-549-1,000 or visit tnusa.com slash locked on. And Jady, I kind of want to start with that. Like, there, there were two games where Reds fans were really happy and two games where Cardinals fans are really happy. which do you buy the most and who is most like what performance that you saw? Yeah, it's strange because, you know, the Reds open up a can on the Cardinals in two of those games where the first one on Thursday, at least there was a fighting chance for a moment there. And then the Reds took off after they had made, I believe it was four to two.

Starting point is 00:02:15 The Cardinals got it close. And then the Reds were like, okay, that's enough. We're out of here and took off with it. then you get the two shutout games, which is not something that, you know, you see a whole lot of in baseball anymore. You know, they try to even make it easier for the offenses with the base stealing and whatnot to score more runs. And so you don't see a whole lot of shutout. So that was strange.

Starting point is 00:02:40 The other side of it that was kind of strange, too, is because the sunny gray game, which is the game that you would have thought going into it, that was the Cardinals win. If there was one that you're like, well, they'll probably win now. one. It was going to be that one against Spires. And that didn't happen at all. That was a complete different one. And ended up being one of the blowouts, ended up being the 9 to 4 blowout.

Starting point is 00:03:01 So it's weird because I don't think any of the, as far as the Cardinal side of things, none of those games look like the team that I've seen or watched play specifically since May the 12th when the Cardinals turned things around and have been one of the best teams of baseball record-wise. Because watching their pitching staff just get shellacked, that doesn't happen very often, nor do they shut out people very often. You know, they've got a lot of hitable pitchers. You know as well as I do with the names like Michaelis and Gibson and Lynn from last year.

Starting point is 00:03:36 They were three of the top pitchers in all of baseball as far as hits, give it up. They give up a lot of contact. They're not strikeout guys for the most part. And, you know, to see them throw shut up. outs, you know, with an Andre Palante, a guy that, you know, wasn't good enough to even be on the, on the team a month ago, like, due to injuries and failures on other people's parts has now turned into the number five guy. And he pitches well against the Reds. They could do that all the time. That would be great because he pitched well against them at Great American Ballpark. And

Starting point is 00:04:10 then he looked good again this weekend. So that is not, I honestly, it was, it was like, opposites going on there. I did not, anything that happened in the series was not what I thought was going to happen outside of Jonathan India, just thrashing the Cardinals, which he's very good at doing and has done his entire career. He is on the kind of stretch right now that is making you wonder if this season isn't going to finish better than his rookie of the year season, which is great because he spent the better part of the last two years, either injured or just not hitting well.

Starting point is 00:04:45 and you started to wonder what the Reds were going to get out of this guy. Was it just going to be a really fun rookie of the year campaign and then not much else? But he has really turned a corner this season and especially over the last month. I kind of expanded. I know he's on a 12 game hitting streak right now. I know he just set the record that the most sought after record in Red's history of, you know, longest streak of games with a double. But it's a fantastic record.

Starting point is 00:05:11 I mean, no skin off of that. But, you know, eight straight. games with that. But this has been something totally different from the way that his season started because even as as as soon as May 23rd, he was hitting 208. He has just been on such a tear for the last month plus. And it's been a lot of fun and he should have had more hits. A couple of Arnaud plays over there. A third robbed him of a few. And he just hits Beavis down that left field line, man. Like if you can just shift everybody over down the line. I think. you would get him out more often, but it's been impressive. So much to the point where my, my mother is like,

Starting point is 00:05:52 I hate that number six. I don't want him against the Cardinals anymore. I hate his guts. And my mom is the nicest person in the world. Doesn't throw the H word around very often, but hates Jonathan India with a passion because of the damage that he does against the St. Louis Cardinals. That might be the title of this one. J.D.'s mom hates Jonathan India. I like that. But no, like, This was such a frustrating series from Reds fans' perspective because the Reds have not won a series in a while. And tying a series, I don't necessarily know that makes me feel better. I mean, I guess it's a little bit better than losing the series, but it's like, you know, six, one, a half dozen another, really.

Starting point is 00:06:31 I mean, there's no tying in baseball, except when there is. And when you score 20 runs in four games, you figure you probably won three of those games. Instead, you shut yourself out of two of them. and the whole thing and what killed me on the Palante game was that I said going into it I said, all right, he's not missing a lot of bats, but what he does is he allows weak contact on the ground. And that usually stings the Reds. Hopefully they can figure that out.

Starting point is 00:06:58 They didn't. And Palante dominated them. And then Lance Lynn has dominated them his entire career, but he's kind of had a season of like, well, he's almost there, but he's also a little bit below average on a lot of different stuff. So I'm like, maybe the Reds can get one over on him. Nope, not going to happen. He has six strikeouts in that game. So I think that's the most frustrating part for, for Reds fans is that it's like,

Starting point is 00:07:24 which team is the Reds? Is it this team that's going to score a bunch of runs? I know he can't count on 11 every night, but, you know, are you going to have these one-off games where you just go crazy and then these next couple of nights where they go completely dormant because that's happened far too often here recently. Yeah, yeah. That's, you know, for the Reds specifically that it's all or nothing is what it felt like in this series where like, I mean, they couldn't get them out in those two games that

Starting point is 00:07:55 they won. Like it was just like everything was finding grass. It was hitting gaps. They were stealing bases. And you're like, how is this team below 500? It looked more like the team that you saw last year, specifically in the second half of the Reds where they were just all over the place energy everything was going their way and uh you know nothing happening for the cardinals and then in the next two games it's just like a vanishing act and how about on the site you mentioned the the runs scored how about the cardinals winning two games by scoring three runs three like what that's not supposed to happen they scored more runs in the games they lost than the ones they were it was bizarre it was a it was a very strange series and my takeaways from

Starting point is 00:08:41 is that was an anomaly, I think, for the Cardinal side of things, because this is not who they have been. On the red side of things, I guess you guys are just looking for a little more balance. If you could get five or six a game and spread that out, things would probably be easier for Cincinnati. Peaks and valleys, JD, peaks and valleys, a lot of peaks and valleys going on this season. Hopefully some consistency is coming. But when we look at the Reds and the Cardinals, when it comes to reinforcements, you're going to have to look for trades and stuff because it really doesn't look like there are a lot coming. We'll explain why coming up next. But first, I want to tell you about prize picks because as we move through the baseball season, prize picks is the best way to

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Starting point is 00:13:05 And I think that when both teams look at the playoff picture, the Cardinals feel a lot better about it right now than the Reds do. But they have, been where the Reds have been this season and looking at everything that's going on the, the players on the team, the top prospects on the organization, the guys that are managing this team, all this other stuff, it really feels like what is here is probably not going to change a whole lot between now and the end of the season. Yeah, as far as the car, the cardals are going to have an interesting approach to the trade deadline. I know that there are some people, because the offense has been a little underwhelming.

Starting point is 00:13:44 But I don't think that's something that they're actually going to target. If anything, it may be maybe a bench bat or something. But even that, that's not going to make a whole lot of difference. I think a target for the Cardinals would be probably somebody at the back end of the rotation. Mentioned Andre Palante, he doesn't get to pitch against the Reds all the time, which is when he's really, really good. He's had some bad outings against other people. So I'm not quite sure the trust is there.

Starting point is 00:14:06 And if you can bring in, you know, Cardinals clearly are not scared of bringing in veterans. 30 plus guys who allow a lot of contact that is right up our alley. And I'm sure there will be a few of those available at the trade deadline. So I would imagine a move like that is something they would target. So it's not going to be some drastic blockbuster move where a lot of shifting is going on. If anything, they're going to have that boring approach where like, hey, getting healthy guys backs as good as a trade because you're going to see, you know, the names like Tommy Edmund, who hasn't been available all year.

Starting point is 00:14:36 He's supposed to come back. I keep telling people, look for the second half of the season. I've been saying that since spring training, and he's still not back in. Now he's nursing an ankle injury to go along with the wrist surgery he came back from. Lars Neupar, somebody who's been beat up all year. Jordan Walker, who had a really good second half last year. One of the top prospects in baseball last year has been in Memphis for most of this season because he just wasn't hitting the ball very well at the major league level.

Starting point is 00:15:01 So these are guys that are expected to come back and make contributions. And they were supposed to be, I mean, the Cardals have never had what they thought their starting outfield was going to be. Reds fans, you know you've had the injuries in the outfield, too. You've hardly ever seen the same three out there that were supposed to be your main people. And at the beginning of the year, it was supposed to be Newpar, Edmund, and Walker. And that has never happened yet this year, ever. So some of these guys coming back are going to make decisions kind of interesting because

Starting point is 00:15:32 you've seen the emergence of an Alec Berlinson, who's been a whole lot better this year in his second full season. Brendan Donovan, you guys saw how well he played left field in this series against the Reds, specifically on, what was that, Friday night with the, you know, the robbing of Stuart Fairchild. But another ball against the wall that he caught, he made a couple of nice running in plays. So he's been fantastic. He's a lot of gold glove as a utility guy. So you're going to take him away from left field where he's been so good.

Starting point is 00:16:03 And then former Red Michael Ciani, who's got gold glove. uh, stats going on in center field this year. You're going to bench him now. Like it's going to make things very interesting. Not going to be easy decisions for Ali Marmel, but that's why he gets paid the big bucks, right? Exactly. And kind of on the red side, like that we're putting a lot of eggs into the basket of Matt McLean is coming back. Matt McLean is coming back. Matt McLean is coming back. Because it's obvious. The reds have sorely missed him. And quite frankly, it's a point, you know, kind of looking back. We talked about this ad nauseum, Steve and I did, uh,

Starting point is 00:16:37 after the season last year where it was like, who was the most valuable player on the team? And we had it down between T.J. Friedel and Spencer Steer. But based on the way that this team has played, it definitely misses T.J. Friedel, but I think it misses Matt McLean even more. And not because,

Starting point is 00:16:53 I mean, and the bat is a big thing. And Jonathan India has done an admirable job replacing the bat in the lineup. But if you can move India to maybe left field, and you have Matt McLean playing second base, you have a better glove at second. And Matt McLean is a better.

Starting point is 00:17:07 bat than Jonathan India does as well. Then you really upgrade this team so much. And hopefully India will be back here soon, but, or India, Friedel will be back here soon to play center field because during today's game, there, there was a quote from Jeff Brantley on a play that Stuart Fairchild just lost the ball in the sun or I don't know what happened. He was charging in on a pop fly and just like held up for a minute, like he lost it. And then he finally found. it after it bounced. Um, and it was a moment that Jeff Brantley was just like, Wednesday, Jeffrey will getting back. Lord of course. It was like, there's a, there's a reason Stuart Fairchild was your fourth, fifth outfielder to start the season.

Starting point is 00:17:51 Uh, he's made some good plays this year, but there's a reason why he was at, he was lower on the depth chart when the season started. He hasn't, you know, he's made plays that have been game winning plays and he's made plays that are game losing plays as well. He's, he's perfectly balanced himself out. that in that regard. And as far as guys coming up, there's, there's always folks that are asking questions with the way that the Reds were able to call people up last year. They're like, all right, who's next? The answer is not really a whole lot because there's some guys that are a couple of years away, but they are not ready now. And the guys that are ready now are not the,

Starting point is 00:18:29 the guys that, oh, you call him up, you're making the playoffs. That's not happening. They're going to have to make a trade. And JD, the thing for me, like when you look around the rest of the league, you normally think if you're going into the trade deadline and you need a bat, you're probably okay because most folks need pitching. That's not the case this year. Offenses down across the league. And there's a lot of teams that are looking for a bat this year. Yeah. And that was one thing that president of baseball operations, John Mosellack said recently, was that he would he would love to be able to add a right-handed bat that is capable of playing a good center field. And if that is something that they're looking for, there are some names out there.

Starting point is 00:19:12 I know people bring up Luis Robert Jr., but that's, that's no. It's not going to happen. They're never going to give up. Chris gets wants your house, your car, your dog, and your family. Exactly. For a guy who's hitting 190 and you don't know if he's going to make it through 30 games. So that's a big no for me. There's been mention of like maybe Harrison Bader,

Starting point is 00:19:32 who, you know, is playing with the Mets, former Cardinal, but the Mets aren't out of it now. And that's another problem with talking about trades. And I know it's fun to talk about right now, but we don't know other than four or five teams right now that are out of it. Who's going to be in and who's going to be out? Who's going to pull the court on the season first and start trading people away? You know, are the Reds in a spot where they might do that?

Starting point is 00:19:56 Would you, would you flip a Frankie Montas? Like, how far back do you have to be before you say, all right, it's not going to happen this year? And they start moving people because the Cardinals three weeks ago were in that, like you mentioned, we're in the spot where the Reds are lower in the last place in the division. And that's, we started thinking about that. I'm like, you know, what can we get for a Kyle Gibson or a Lancelette or something? And now we're like, now we're buyers. Now we're in the buy mode.

Starting point is 00:20:20 And that's how quickly things can flip. So still a month left before the trade deadline takes place. going to be a lot of jockeying for a position. But for the cardinal side of things, if I was a betting guy, I go and say that it's going to be depth in the starting rotation in bullpen is something they'll target. It'll be veterans. It'll be not huge guys. It's not going to be the big names that people want and really are drooling over. It's going to be guys kind of like the Jose Cantanas and the Jordan Montgomery types of moves that they made a couple years ago that panned out kind of nicely. So I would expect more of

Starting point is 00:20:56 that. I was going to say thinking like way back, I'm thinking of like the Jeff Supons that got training at the deadline felt like a bunch. So yeah, it's going to be interesting. I think that there are some interesting trades to be had from the Reds perspective and from the Cardinals perspective. And what the Reds have to give up in both situations is intriguing to me. And I think the Cardinals have a couple of intriguing options as well. We're going to talk about that coming up next. but as we go through this this wonderful baseball season because now baseball takes center stage no more finals no no more Stanley Cup finals it's all about baseball and fan duel has so many different promos and different boosts and things like that that you can take advantage of when you go to

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Starting point is 00:23:31 a little bit the other day. And I know that they were, they were still kind of recapping the weird play that Ellie de la Cruz caught the ball instead of Stuart Fairchild charging in from center field. The only run of the game on Friday where Michael Ciani scores from third on what essentially was just a bloop. But because all of Ellie's momentum was going out in the center field, it should have been Stuart Fairchild to catch that. But that's neither here nor there. I do like listening to other teams broadcast. So you can listen to other teams broadcast as well on the serious. XM app. But Jadis, we move into trade season. I mean, everybody always wonders, you know, your buyers or you sell as if you're a buyer who you sell it. Or if you're a buyer who are you

Starting point is 00:24:09 trading a way to get the guy that you need. Um, I think it's interesting. You bring up the idea, and I kind of wanted to broach this for a moment before we really jump into what the Cardinals have to offer. Should the Reds decide to sell? I don't think. And there's going to be people that take this off the deep end immediately. But I don't necessarily think it would be as bad as I would have thought it would have been a couple of weeks ago because now we're looking at a market, like you said, that's just going to be so muddled with so many teams. I mean, the National League is mediocre.

Starting point is 00:24:46 Let's just put it that way. I mean, it's the Dodgers and it's the Phillies. And I think that the Brewers are maybe a step below those guys. And then it's everybody else because the Braves don't have their MVP. They don't have their Sigh Young candidate. Like they're not as good as they should be. And then you have a bunch of like nine teams vying for two wildcard spots. It might be smart to zag while everybody else zigs and maybe sell a couple of guys off,

Starting point is 00:25:12 get some pieces for, you know, the future and reposition yourself nicely for next year. When fingers crossed, everybody's healthy again because this, this red season has just been one of injuries and injuries and injuries. Yeah, and there's, for both of our teams, is like one player or two players, are we that, are we two players away from being World Series contenders to be able to play with the big boys, like the guys you mentioned, like the Phillies and, you know, like the Dodgers and, of course, all the huge teams over in the American League, you know, let's be honest with ourselves. I see the Yankees on starting on Tuesday. So yeah, you guys got them coming up.

Starting point is 00:25:52 Let's be honest, probably not. Like, nobody's going to consider either of our team. a World Series contender, even if we make the wild card and we do make a tray, like would a Luis Robert and a Garrett Crochet? Are those guys, are they good enough to make our teams that much better that we're going to be in World Series contention? Probably not. I mean, we've seen wild card teams like Arizona, like Philadelphia, take off and do well

Starting point is 00:26:16 in the playoffs, but if we're being honest, probably not. So that's why I feel like the Cardinals trade for something smaller just to kind of get them through and see if it's helping. I've known the Reds to make some pretty good moves. How about that Tyler Mallee to Minnesota deal that you guys are like if you can find somebody in the American League or National League to take the Frankie Montas price tag for the rest of the year. And then you can get two prospects like you ended up getting with CES and Spencer Steer. Like that was such a massive trade. And Malley, I don't even know how many games he pitched for the twins. To be honest with you, it wasn't many.

Starting point is 00:26:53 I think it was less than 10. Yeah, I think it was like, and like that's the kind of, that's the kind of like highway robbery thing you're looking for if you're going to go the way you're, you're talking about where everybody else is trying to buy in and you go, well, we got this guy over here and there's not a lot of people selling. What do you offer? And that's one way I think that the Reds could get away with something like that, you know, I don't know how many guys on your roster, you know, are veteran guys. You're not going to trade either of your young guys that are under control. and aren't expensive, but would you trade a Jonathan India at this point, you know,

Starting point is 00:27:27 with him being as hot as he is, if somebody comes to you with a massive deals, that's something the Reds think about, even though he's kind of like the captain of the team. I think, I think they're probably going to stand Pat with him, but like the candelarios, the, I mean, if somebody is looking for relief help, the Reds have some expiring contracts in the bullpen that they can move and things like that. And make no mistake about it. I do not prefer this. This is just something I think that I would accept if it happens.

Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah. And it's it's it's something that if the Reds did this, it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't kill me. And I could see the logic behind it. But I also, I also think about this because you're right. World Series contenders after one or two trades, probably not. But I think for the Reds, if they made a move and they make the playoffs and they win a wild card series and they get to the next series and they make some noise.

Starting point is 00:28:21 They don't go out and they lose by getting shut out in 22 innings like they did against the Braves in the COVID year. They make some good headway winning a wildcard series and then a competitive divisional series. I think it's worth it to buy those those one or two players that you could go out and get. I don't necessarily know what it would cost to buy that. But I think that the Reds have a couple of prospects that I would be willing to part with if it meant. All right. You got to name names, Jeff. Who are they? It's got to be Cam Collier. I don't mind. I don't mind part in ways with Cam Collier.

Starting point is 00:28:55 He's an Uber talented kid that's 19 years old and still has a lot of development left. But there would be an easy, easy way of selling him. Um, there's, there's Sal Stewart who is in Dayton and is a pretty decent hitter. You're a little bit concerned about what defensive position he's going to play, but he has Uber potential at the bat. And so you'd find somewhere for him to play there. I just, I, I think that if Nick Crawl is, presented with an opportunity to go get an outfielder and maybe a relief pitcher and you don't have to trade the package that the white socks wanted for dylan cease during the off season then i think you need to pull that trigger yeah i mean i could i could see it i mean that's why it's going to be a tough spot to be in because it feels like the reds are setting themselves up for where it feels

Starting point is 00:29:43 like the cardinals are going to be in buy mode no matter what they feels like they're kind of past the point where i mean they'd really have to fall off to fall out of this thing thing so much. But the reds are kind of at that point where they've got to decide, do we pull the cord? I don't know. What's our fan base going to think of us if we decide to do that and we're still just three games out or something like that. It's a, it's a tough spot to be in. But, you know, if somebody comes at you with a crazy deal, you're got to, if I'm your guys as GM, Nick Crow, I'm thinking about it. I'm sorry. And because you're still kind of thinking about the future with this team. This season did not pan out the way I thought the red season would pan out like and

Starting point is 00:30:20 considering all the young talent that you guys brought up last year, which is part of the reason why there's not so much in your organization anymore down there, because they're all up in the major leagues. You guys brought up like six superstars last year. It was incredible. And they all won together. And it was something special to watch from afar in my last place, Cardinal. It was really fun to watch.

Starting point is 00:30:42 So, but yeah, it's going to be a tough choice for you guys. The next, what, like two weeks are going to be really big for the rents. like deciding on how obviously the Yankee series is not going to be an easy one but i think your schedule lightens up a little bit after that and if you guys can do some damage there then maybe you are pushed into the buy mode situation and i definitely there's definitely a lot to unpack there and i'm going to be unpacking that on locked on reds as we move forward who the cardinals have coming up next uh the cardinals are going uh they're going Pittsburgh and then the nationals are their next two series and then it's the royals after that so royal's

Starting point is 00:31:20 obviously a very good team, but, you know, Pittsburgh and Washington, Washington's surprise team. Did we believe in them yet? No, I don't think so. But, you know, the record is what it is. So, but as far as the Cardinals is trade chips or anything like that, some guys that I would keep it out, I don't think they want to trade any of their young pitching away. The guy that we saw on Saturday in Gordon Grecefo is somebody, you know, he looked pretty good.

Starting point is 00:31:44 That was his major league debut on Saturday against the Reds, was one of the top arms in the organization two years ago. And then last year, kind of regressed a little bit. But, you know, that might have been a nice little, hey, look at this guy. He's somebody that maybe, you know, a team would be interested in. Kind of like a old school step back and then high kick and throw. Like, that was interesting. Yeah, it's, it's unique looking and he hides the ball pretty well. So, uh, and then it just kind of explodes on you. Uh, but that might have been kind of where they're like, hey, this is a trial. What do you guys think about this kid as somebody that they could move for a veteran arm at some point.

Starting point is 00:32:21 I don't think they're going to want to move anybody like Tinkent's or it's a Coerobi or a Cooper Jerpy, but like a Gordon Gricefo, maybe a Sim Robbersa. I doubt that would be one. Michael McGreevy, for sure. Former first round pick is somebody, I'm sure they're more than happy to move. You know, they drafted a kid Chase Davis last year out of college. Big power numbers in college hasn't manifested so much yet. in the minor leagues, but former first round pick that's, you know, in an outfield that's a little

Starting point is 00:32:52 bit crowded still. We seem to have that problem all the time and then we get rid of the guy that goes on to be a superstar and it doesn't work out. But again, you're in that situation where, you know, if you can get an arm that's going to push you and you got to give the get and that that could be somebody maybe that they'd be willing to move on from who's, you know, he's not a kid. He's not a high school kid. He's like 19 still trying to get it together. He's a guy that played in college and it was very good in college, but it hasn't quite worked out yet, but still has massive potential. So it's guys like that that I think that they'd be ready to move on. And if you're going to go after the Garrett Crochets of the world, you know, that's when you're going to be stuck trying, you'll have to trade a teen kids or Jordan Walker.

Starting point is 00:33:37 They're going to ask for him. And it's going to happen. So those are the guys that I think the Cardinals have finally built this organization a little bit of their prospect pull up a little bit. and I don't think they're ready to empty out the cupboard again for this particular team. You know, maybe down a year or two down the road, but not in the final years of Goldschmidt, the declining years of our and not. I think they're there yet where they're like, we got to go all in here. I don't think that's something that the Cardinals are thinking about right now.

Starting point is 00:34:05 But that's what I see for them as far as trade chips and whatnot. So I expect them to be buyers, but I wouldn't expect it to be the sexiest name coming over to St. Louis and putting the birds on the bat on. And that's why you got to keep it locked on cardinals and locked on reds as we move through the season because we're going to be all over these rumors and what's going to be happening with each one of our teams, especially as trade season rolls along because I think we're going to see some news. We're going to see some news for both teams and we're going to be all over it here because we are locked on reds and lockdown cardinals part of the lockdown podcast network, your team every day.

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