Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - St. Louis Cardinals EXTEND Manager Oli Marmol Amid Fan FURY and Uncertainty—Why Now?

Starting point is 00:00:00 Ali Marmal is here to stay and fans are divided on what to think about his new extension. This is Locked on Cardinals. You are Locked on Cardinals. Your daily St. Louis Cardinals podcast, part of the Locked on Podcast network, your team every day. Hey there, Cardinals fans. I'm J.D. Hafforda, former National Radio Sports anchor, reported raised in St. Louis, a lifetime Cardinals fan. Welcome in to another episode of Locked on Cardinals, part of the Lockdown podcast. Network. Now the number one sports podcast network. Thank you to our everydayers who continue to be here

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Starting point is 00:01:15 It's got fans from other franchises drooling about what the Cardinals announced. But the biggest news of the weekend is what happened on Sunday morning when it was announced that the Cardinals have extended manager Ali Marmal for a second time. It is a two-year extension with a club option for 2029 in the first. press release. I'm Bloom released a statement saying that as I've gotten to know, Ali, I've seen someone who cares about this organization and knows what has made the Cardinal special over time. And who understands that for us to get where we need to go, we must compete relentlessly to set new standards and everything that we do.

Starting point is 00:01:56 He is invested in the progress of our young core and is unafraid to challenge himself and to help those around him grow. I am energized to continue. working with him towards the on-field success that we expect and that our fans deserve. Now, this is the second president of baseball operations that has decided to extend Ali as the manager of the St. Louis Cardinals. John Moseilock chose to do it following that disastrous 2023 season, where the Cardals fell to 71 and 91 after losing Albert Poodhole and you're out of year Molina to retirement. And with only one year remaining on his deal,

Starting point is 00:02:37 Mo made the decision to extend him. Didn't want to set him up for failure, where it was like, hey, if you don't do good, then you might not come back. He didn't want that. And so he extended him. And many people questioned that move

Starting point is 00:02:54 and wondered why not let him earn the extension with a better 2024, which made sense to me too. I was on board with that. was like, let him win the job, let him earn it by doing better in 2024. Now, in essence, Ali did have a better 2024. And he took a roster that suddenly had that declining Paul Goldschmidt, Nolan Aronado, who all of a sudden their production just went, phew.

Starting point is 00:03:19 Plus he was given a starting rotation that had four pitchers who were 34 or older in Sunny Gray, who had signed as a free agent, Lance Lynn, Kyle Gibson, both of them had signed his free agents. Miles Michaelis, and he helped guide them to an 83 and 79 finish. Then last year, during this runway season and Mo's final run as baseball ops, the team was trapped in what I like to call the, it was a non-rebuild, yet it wasn't a tear down. They were just in this baseball purgatory season that almost everyone knew wasn't going to work. They weren't going to win anything, and they fell below 500 again at 78 and 84.

Starting point is 00:04:01 So in his four seasons as the manager, Ollie's record is at 325 and 323, which on paper, nothing to write home about by any means. Very disappointing for Cardinal fans. Some wonder why, once again, why the extension is given again

Starting point is 00:04:20 when he's got one year left. That's the question I see the most from anybody online or in the comments. Yeah, all of that. like they want why are we doing this again when he's got a year left you know he's got another chance to prove that he deserves the contract instead of just handing him one during this rebuild so those are the questions that people have and i think they're fair questions and i don't have an exact answer for you but just observing the way things have played out over the last three

Starting point is 00:04:55 seasons where the cardinals haven't been very good but it's not all on ollie But it's been clear to me that the players and management, even during these rough seasons, all like and trust, Ali. And when you're dealing with young people in general, trust is a very important thing. Now, just think back, remember when you were younger and you were in high school. Maybe you are in school right now. Maybe you're young enough to be doing this right now. But remember you had parents, teachers, faculty, coaches that you trusted and that you believed in.

Starting point is 00:05:28 You thought they were great. and how much those guys meant to you as opposed to the ones that you didn't care for so much or didn't think had your best interests at heart or didn't know what the heck they were doing and weren't on the same page as what you were trying to accomplish. Totally different experience, right? And I think that's a big part as to why this extension happened. I think it's a big piece of it is because the players trust and believe in him. And if you don't believe that, all you had to do was watch the press conference to see how many of the players were there, either sitting or standing as the announcement took place.

Starting point is 00:06:07 Matt Pauley from KMOX had a picture of them all coming in and lining up. And as far as we know, I have heard no reporting that suggests that the DeWitts or Hime or Ali threatened or required players to attend this press conference. and threaten them that they'll be cut or something like that if they didn't show up. I have not seen that anywhere. So that means they did it on their own accord because they like him. He's their leader. They believe in him. He is because I keep using this family aspect of it all that he's kind of like the dad of this young

Starting point is 00:06:48 cardinal family that they're trying to build. Ownership used a word today that in my opinion, opinion is imperative when it comes to rebuilding this thing correctly. And we're going to discuss that particular word and other things that the DeWitts and Ali and Hym had to say about this extension. We'll get more into that. Coming up next on Lockedonged Cardinals. College basketball is nonstop.

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Starting point is 00:10:34 All right. So trust is obviously very key to this whole thing with this Ali extension that we're talking about, his place and what is this rebuild? And from the outside looking in, it sure seems like Ali has got a lot of trust from not only the players who again came in in droves to watch his press conference, but also the people above him, ownership trusts him, Hym Bloom trusts him. Heim staff trusts Ali.

Starting point is 00:11:00 He's been a good soldier through some very tough seasons in St. Louis. And now that they finally chosen a path to rebuild and do it the right way, they clearly believe that still only 39 years old that Ali Marmal fits the mold of what they need their manager to be right now. Now, as Derek Gould pointed out in his piece at STL Today.com, which I encourage you to check out. The Cardinals emphasis on player development and the farm system returns Ali to his roots. That's where he came from when his playing days were over in the Cardinals organization. That's what he was doing, helping with player development. And Bloom said in the press conference talking about Ali said that, you know,

Starting point is 00:11:44 Ali was involved deeply in a lot of what we were building there with our new leadership there. And that's because he understands how important it is for us to be one organization, top to bottom and how important what we're doing there is. Now, Ali said at the press conference that, you know, he's always been a confident guy, but he said that he feels like he's built exactly for this moment in Cardinals history. And trust me when I say that there are plenty of naysayers who think this is a disastrous move that might have even burned any currency

Starting point is 00:12:18 that Heinbloom has earned with them this offseason. I've seen plenty of comments where people are like, well, all the good that Heim did is out the window. It's over. You know, you screwed the pooch, big guy. I honestly, and this is my honest opinion, I don't think that it's a bad move. If I thought it was, I would tell you.

Starting point is 00:12:41 Doesn't mean I'm right. Like, I'm not the be all end all of baseball knowledge. But when we say in Heim, we trust, which is something we've been saying on this show, at least I've been saying on this show for a while now. You got to trust him in all the aspects. You know, he's never been shy about making any sort of deals during this offseason in his first few months of being in charge.

Starting point is 00:13:06 And he's doing whatever he thinks fits what the Cardinals' long-term goal is. That's what it's all about, the long-term vision. And if he didn't think the relationship with Ali was good, or that Ali didn't belong, he didn't fit what these players needed, being the ages that they are and what they, what they need from a manager right now. I don't think he would have hesitated to let him finish what this current deal was, which was supposed to be one more year here in 2026, and then go search for someone else.

Starting point is 00:13:41 I mean, he's got a yachtier-Malina right there in his back pocket. But his owner, Bill DeWitt, Jr., said in the press conference, they wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Ali is their guy long term and that they are excited to have continuity. Continuity. That's the key word that I want to bring up to you and highlight here. Because with all of the turnover that has happened and taken place this offseason with the roster and even, you know, in management, the one thing that will now have continuity is the people that are in charge moving forward. You know, the DeWitts aren't selling. They've been here. They're not going anywhere. You can.

Starting point is 00:14:23 and sell the team in the comments if you want to. They're not going to. High and Bloom, clearly, not going anywhere. Just got in the door and has taken full charge of what this rebuild is going to be. And now they've got the dude they trust at the managerial level locked in as well. And I think it makes perfect sense that the guy that the current players know, respect, and trust, I think it makes sense to give him an opportunity to see this rebuild through. One of the things that we talk about with Heim Blum getting kind of the

Starting point is 00:14:57 short end of the stick when he was with Boston was that, you know, he rebuilds this farm system and makes all these trades, you know, and everybody points at the Moogie Betts thing, which he was forced to do. But he does all of this and churns this all over, gets him going in the right direction and gets fired. So we never got to see it through. And I feel kind of the same way for Ollie here. You know, he's gone through the crappy seasons. And now they're moving in the direction that many of us agree with. And you kind of want to give them a chance to see it through. So you've got this season coming up in 2026. Hopefully we get a 2027 season. Lockout pending, obviously. And then 2028 is the final year to put the Cardinals back on the map. Now, things change after

Starting point is 00:15:46 that you move on. It's over. If things are going well, then you trigger that club option in 2029 and you keep things going in the right direction. Ollie gets to see what he can do to help mold these young players. You give him an opportunity to be a part of all of this and see what it can do, turn them into winners as the goal, and help rebuild this organization properly. And turn it into the powerhouse that most of us grew up knowing and loving. And hopefully it will be again one day soon. I mean, what kind of message would it send to your players and your organization to have him finish out this season, which many believe is not going to go very well record-wise, and then move on to another voice that hasn't earned the trust of the team.

Starting point is 00:16:37 Has it been around when things weren't so good during the dock times, during the Empire. Star Wars. But you know what I mean? Like, what kind of message does that set? So that's just, you know, me thinking through why this extension happened. Okay. You don't have to agree with me. I'm just pointing out some things that kind of stood out to me talking about the press conference. Now, some people are just not going to like Ali no matter what. And that's their prerogative. Bobby Brown said so. It's your prerogative. And my belief is that all these people, that aren't happy with Ali, not only being the manager before this extension habit, but now even worse because of the extension. To me, it just seems like all they really care about is winning. And outside of 2022, Ali hasn't won that much.

Starting point is 00:17:32 Certainly not enough for what we're used to as Cardinals fans. And that's a fact. Now, I tend to blame the front office for things going sour the way they have at the major league level, at the minor league level in the farm system altogether. But when all you look at is records and standings, which is what a lot of baseball fans do. They don't dig deep into all this stuff.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Like not everybody's super nerds like us when it comes to baseball. But when you go and just look at standings and records, it appears that Ali is a failure. Cancel 2022 that first year. You take that away and it doesn't look so good for Ali, right? So I understand the thinking. I really do. And it's okay to feel that way.

Starting point is 00:18:17 There's plenty of reactions online about this here. We'll read a couple real quick about this unsurious franchise. Like, wow, Cardinals used to be the gold standard of well-run clubs. What the hell happened? Lifelong fan and supporter here feel strongly to me that the Cardinals are now locked in on mediocrity. Same ownership group would let Methini and Jockety go because the Cardinals expected excellence are now dismiss. missing winners like Yadi. Sorry to say, never been more disinterested in the Redbirds. Now, I don't know if that person is informed that Yadi is still with the organization.

Starting point is 00:18:53 He's a special assistant to Heim Bloom. We're going to see Yadi in uniform again here in 26 under Ali, which is something that he has constantly supported and said that, you know, not only has Ali wanted Yadi around, but Yadi fully supports everything that Ali's doing. All right. He's got Yadi seal of approval. Here's another one. The owner clearly doesn't care what the fans think. Sucks, we can't fire our owner. More mediocrity. This is pathetic. What happened to the cardinal way? It goes on and on and on like this. And there are some people who are saying positive things and supporting the extension. I ran a poll, which is still up, by the way, on X. If you follow us at L.O. underscore Cardinals that, you know,

Starting point is 00:19:41 good or bad for with the Ali extension. What is it in your opinion? And last I looked at it, it was like 60-something percent said it was a good thing. So a lot of fans get it, but not everybody is thrilled with the idea that Ali's coming back. And Ali's going to get a chance to prove these people right or prove them wrong. He's going to get an opportunity. I don't know what most people think would be considered a successful record for this team in 2026. I mean, you see the projections. You know, there's a lot of people out there that think they're going to be like a 60-something win type of team. I still don't think it's going to be that bad as long as they maintain their health for the most part. But I would think that, you know, if they have a better record than the team last year and are at like 500,

Starting point is 00:20:26 would that be enough for the upset Ali haters to feel like this progress? I don't know, maybe. but if they do fall to 70 or less wins, these fans are going to go ballistic. They're going to lose their minds. And he's going to continue to get the blame along with Heim, who's going to turn into another person that people are upset with. And of course, the new wins who people are upset with already.

Starting point is 00:20:54 I think we all as a collective want the Cardinals to win. And back-to-back losing seasons, which is completely in play for the first time in a while, it could happen the anger, if it does, the anger is going to continue to build and seats will continue to remain open at Bush Stadium, sadly, because it's rough to watch. But the vision that ownership, management, Ali, that they're all trying to sell is that doing it this way is going to lead to greener pastures in 2027 and more specifically 2028. when Ali will still be here and we'll have a team who is in a winning window instead of this season, like this year, where they're just putting together the framework of that winning window. Like, Hime has never mixed his messages by any means.

Starting point is 00:21:52 Like he's saying, look, look, long term, long term, we're not taking shortcuts, and it's going to take a little time. So please be with us, but we're still going to try to win. We're still going to try to put out exciting and good baseball. We'll see if it happens or not. But agree or disagree on this extension with Ali. Unleash your fury in the comments section, whether it's good or bad. I want to hear from you guys, and I want to talk more about your comments and your thoughts on this in an upcoming episode.

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Starting point is 00:24:23 All right, let's talk about on the field baseball. Cardinals lose on Friday and Sunday. They went on Saturday. Friday they got walloped by the New York Mets. The pond scum got them 14 to 3, although we did have, You know, one exciting moment in that game, J.J. Weatherholt smashed his first home run of the spring on the very first pitch that he saw from Dan Williams, who I believe was making his Mets debut in the spring. And it was the first pitch he threw all spring. That made it a two to one ball game. Met's were up two to one at the time. It was a bomb. 422 off the batters eye in center field. No cheapy by any means. But was a rough day for the pitching staff. Justin Bruill, our left-ander that they got from the Cleveland, organization did not have a good day. Tink Hens prospect did not have a good day. Neither did Skyler Hales, who's a prospect. Each of them gave up three earned runs in the loss. Quinn Matthews

Starting point is 00:25:18 got the start. He was wild early, which continues to be a problem. But he did strike out three to go along with two walks. He also hit a guy. He uncorked a wild bitch and picked off Juan Soto at second base and what was two very eventful innings of work. So Saturday was the Cardinals doling out the with a 10 to win over Yuri Perez and the Marlins. J.J. Weatherhold, once again, big game two for two. He had three RBIs, which was awesome to see. Also had a walk. He continues to have a fantastic eye at the plate, which led the barrage that included

Starting point is 00:25:52 18 hits in this one, Cesar Prieto, hit a home run. JJ, Mason, Wend, Jordan Walker, Prieto, and Jimmy Crooks, each had multi-hit efforts in that particular game. The team went seven for 14 with runners and scor. position. How do we bottle that up and keep it for the regular season? How do we do it? Also got a couple stolen bases from Victor Scott and Mason wins. So a lot of fun offensively on Saturday. Michael McGruevy got to start, a lot of one run over two and a third innings. The only other Marlins run came against Matt Sonson, but saw some good work for the

Starting point is 00:26:26 bullpen. Ryan Stanick made his debut. He looked great, struck out a couple. Packing Norton continues to impress. Gordi Grispo also threw a shutout inning in the win. And then on Sunday, went back into hibernation, went back to sleep. They got one hit, one hit. All we got was one GD hit, as Harry Doyle would say, from the fantastic movie Major League. Ball to the Pirates on Sunday by a score of 6 to 1. Kyle Leahy had a forgetful day.

Starting point is 00:26:55 Rough start for him was tagged for a two-run, home run by Pirates, 19-year-old phenom, Connor Griffin, who, by the way, I tweeted this out or X this out. I don't know what the hell you call it anymore, But he looks remarkably like Jack Flaherty did when he was younger. Go look at the photos. They could be brothers. They could be brothers.

Starting point is 00:27:17 It's uncanny. But Leahy did not look good. He allowed four runs on four hits. He walked three in just two and two thirds innings. So not ideal by any means. We do not need to freak out yet about Kyle Leahy. And again, this is competition. We still haven't seen Hunter Dobbins yet.

Starting point is 00:27:33 So this is still competition for who's going to make the rotation. you know, so somebody is going to have to go back to the bullpen. It's going to happen. Speaking of the pen, Jojo Romero gave up a solo home run in his one inning of work. Rating Cardinals minor league pitcher of the year, Bryson Mott's allowed one run on one hit, walk three, but also struck out three. It is two-thirds innings of work.

Starting point is 00:27:54 Yvonne Herrera got to be behind the plate for the first time this spring. So that was good to see that the health is progressing, the rehab, but still looking for his first hit of the spring was over. The lone hit for the Cardinals in this one, came off the bat of Joe Al Pozo in 333 this spring. If you're looking for a bench bat, you know, Pozo, maybe, maybe he's going to want a job. And lastly, and I want to bring this up because so many people have been texting me about this. My wife brought it up.

Starting point is 00:28:26 I've got other hosts from lockdown teams bringing it up to me. The Cardinals have created a ticket deal. And it's getting a lot of attention. engine. And it's called the Coca-Cola. It's called Coca-Cola unlimited. Now, it says, this is the read about it, with game starting at just $29. Your ticket to Big MacLand, which is in sections 271, 272. I've never been up there, which is shame on me. It includes unlimited access to classic ballpark favorites and ice cold Coca-Cola products all game long. No tabs, no transactions, just baseball, and bottomless bites. Your choices include ice cold fountain Coca-Cola.

Starting point is 00:29:06 products, hot dogs, chicken tenders, bratwurst, nacho chips and cheese, French fries, popcorn, peanuts, kettle chips, and ice cream cups. And what I gather from this is that you select up to three items per visit. So every time you go to the concession, you get to pick three of these and you get to return as often as you want to. Like, whoa, really? And again, starting at $29. Doesn't mean every time it's going to be $29 per tick as far as I can tell. But most of my friends point out that there's no beer or liquor involved on the menu, which upset them greatly. They feel that they'll need at least some sort of buzz to sit through what they will call for Nolan Gorman strikeouts and bad baseball that they are anticipating and witness here in 2026. But still, not a bad deal, right?

Starting point is 00:30:01 You get a nice summer night out at the ballpark. not one of those balmy nights. That would be awful. But you get a nice night, get you a ticket, and then just chow down. I don't know how many seats are in Big Macland. Again, I've never been up there, but I suspect that at least those two sections are going to be busier this season than we saw last year.

Starting point is 00:30:21 But let me know your thoughts on this deal. Is it enough to get you back to the ballpark for a game or two? Or are you, like my friends, who aren't impressed due to the lack of beer on the menu and the talent on the field. and still are like, no, I'm not going. So let me know. Cardinals faced the Marlins on Monday,

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