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Starting point is 00:01:15 Katie Wu, Cardinals pitching prospect to Coa Roby is done for the year. And it's being reported that he had Tommy John surgery on Friday and is more than likely out not only for the rest of this year, but also next year, so we probably won't see him again until 2027, a devastating blow, to say the least. This sucks. Like, this sucks big time. To Coal Roby, one of those guys that I was really hoping to see in a Cardinal uniform

Starting point is 00:01:49 come September. My dream, if you will, was to see he and Quinn Matthews up with the team in September so they could get their first taste of Major League action. I know we got to see them in spring training, but Major League action before hopefully taking the next step and becoming members of the rotation next year, along with Sunny Gray, Michael McGreevy, Matthew Libertzoor, Andre Palante, and now that idea has been blown to bits.

Starting point is 00:02:21 Roby, who was acquired along with Thomas and Jacey, if you remember, that was the trade with the Texas Rangers that brought those guys over, Jordan Montgomery, Chris Stratton went the other way. Things worked out well for the Rangers. They go on to win a World Series. They traded Tommy Edmund last year. They go on to win the World Series.

Starting point is 00:02:39 Just think if you get a Cardinals player, you're at least a good one. You're probably going to go to the World Series and win. At least that's how the thinking appears to work. But the Cardinals, meanwhile, they're still waiting on what they're going to get from Roby and Sejacy. So J.C. has been solid in the minors, but when he has been brought up,

Starting point is 00:02:58 hasn't done all that much. He's just kind of stuck in that logjam of infielders that the Cardinals still have. So so much that maybe they're talking about moving him to the outfield, taking some reps out there just so he can play more. But Roby seemed to be on the hot track to St. Louis. You know, injuries have been a thing that's held him back his entire professional career.

Starting point is 00:03:21 But this year, when he was on the mound, he was really, really good. as Katie points on her article, he was in the midst of his best season. Roby was promoted to AAA Memphis back in June after posting a 2.49 ERA and since starts in AA, he had 87 strikeouts over 70 and the third innings overall and was building a strong case for consideration in next year's

Starting point is 00:03:43 major league rotation in large part due to a retooled pitch mix, which she goes in great detail about some of the changes and alterations that they made to what he was doing, talking about his slider, the two-seem fastball, which became a big deal for him. His slider became a real weapon. And you got a chance to see him in the spring. And, you know, the first thing you see when you watch Tocoa Roeby pitch was you were like, whoa, he dude's throwing 99?

Starting point is 00:04:13 I did not know he had 99 in his bag. But that beelo was really fun to watch. The guy was showing some real swing and miss potential, which we know the Cardinals are sorely Anita. And then after Quinn Matthews went down this year with his shoulder issues early on, it was Robe kind of like just blew past him as the next pitching prospect that looked like they were on the cusp of going to the major leagues. The Cardinals would be able to showcase this year. And now you get this news. And it's just awful. Like it's just awful. And you feel bad for him, obviously, but as the organization, like, you're like, this is, what is happening this year?

Starting point is 00:04:56 It's been a really bad trend for the organization because this is now the third pitching prospect, one of their top guys, that has gone down with Tommy John's surgery, Cooper Jerpy, gone, Sim Robbersa, gone. And when you have an organization like Cardinals right now, which is starving for impact pitching, And all three of those guys, maybe not so much Robbers said. Robert said there wasn't a lot going on there that seemed like, oh, wow, he's just incredible. He seemed like he was kind of in the mold of being, you know, the pitch to contact type of stuff. So it wasn't like his strike.

Starting point is 00:05:35 I never was that great. But you see the unique delivery of a Cooper Jerpy from the left-hand side. And you see his ability to get swing and miss. And then you saw what Takaa Roble was doing. and for this to happen, like now. It's just like, uh, because I mean, we've got the month of August and then it was like, maybe we'll, you know, Roby stays healthy and boom, it's over. So there you go.

Starting point is 00:06:07 That is the awful news that we start things off with. I should have gave you a choice. You want the good news or the bad news first. The good news is the cardals were able to trade Eric Fetty. The bad news is It's Co-Robie's gone now. Now who steps up to possibly be a part of this rotation next year if he's gone? You still have Quinn Matthews.

Starting point is 00:06:30 It's tough. It's very bleak right now. Let's put it that way. There's just not a lot of starting rotation depth in this organization. So maybe trading for one. You know, maybe they can get somebody at this trade deadline. We are going to talk more about the trade deadline here in a little bit. But the team did finally trade away Eric Fetty, so we should discuss that.

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Starting point is 00:08:25 Anytime you want, your feedback is always welcome and encouraged. Eric Fetty is now a member of the Atlanta Braves, the trade deadline coming up on Thursday, and many people believe the Cardinals are going to be very busy at this time, which I hope they are selling off pieces to other teams and one of those names that was always set to be moved at some point was going to be Eric Fetty. and it just did not go down the way that we all imagined it would.

Starting point is 00:08:54 You know, in the perfect happy play scenario. Everybody's talking about Happy Gilmore too. In our happy play scenario with Eric Fetty, the thought was that not only could he help you last year in 2024, but also give you a solid option for this year in your rotation. And if he pitches well, it gives you another trade chip at the deadline if you aren't in playoff contention. problem was, is he wasn't very good as a St. Louis Cardinal. And his trade value plummeted from what the Cardinals paid for him, which ended up being Tommy Edmund, to what he is now, which was just kind of like somebody take this dude.

Starting point is 00:09:38 So the trade in its finality here, Fetty goes to the Braves, who aren't wasting any time. They're pitching him on Tuesday against Kansas City. They're already throwing them in. but also money. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported that the Cardinals will be covering the 2.7 million remaining on his $7.5 million salary for 2025, which means the Cardinals are basically paying him this year to pitch for the Braves. Awesome. Awesome. The Cardinals will receive cash considerations or a player to be named later in return.

Starting point is 00:10:14 Just a bomb of a trade. None of it worked. terrible trade that cost the Cardinals a fan favorite and Tommy Edmund who went on to win the NLCS MVP and help the Dodgers win a championship while the Cardinals get a guy who ended up going what three in ten three and ten with a 5.22 ERA over 20 starts this season and overall in a Cardinal uniform he went five and 15 with a 4.69 ERA and 30 starts with the Cardinals. In other words, it went bad and then it went really bad. And it was another example of the Cardinals doing their shopping in the bargain bin section. You know what it's like when you go to these stores. They're like, oh, look at all these, you know, Blu-rays and DVDs still available and people still buy those. Look at. They're only a buck. Let's go get them. That's where the Cardinals keep doing their shopping. And you get what you pay for.

Starting point is 00:11:12 And I had said it last week in that episode when it was going on. I was like, I was, I was the idea of the trade made sense. I wanted better than Eric Fetty last year. And they went Eric Fetty because that's what the Cardinals do. That's what John Moseilac does. And you can file this tradeaway with a bunch of the other ones that haven't panned out in recent years underbow. Who again, you know, he is under orders to keep the payroll at a certain spot. He's got to navigate in that area.

Starting point is 00:11:46 He's got those restrictions. But at the same time, the guys. he's picking suck. They've been so bad that it has tarnished what was a really good run as a GM for John Mozaylock. And now because it's always like, what have you done for me lately? Everybody's like, this guy's terrible. Get him out of here. And he is leaving. Like I still get all, when are they going to get rid of this guy? We're not going to fire this guy. He is leaving at the end of this year. Like it's over. Hein Bloom's taking over. But the cardinal way of plucking the low-hanging fruit and hoping they turn into something more is worn extremely thin on myself

Starting point is 00:12:26 and on this fan base. We've been sick of it for a while now. And they just keep doing it or they kept doing it. They're not even doing it now. Now they're just not spending any money. But it's why I'm eager to see them trade away these pieces that they can trade away this year and start rebuilding things for 2026. you know, there's a core of guys here that I'm excited for their future.

Starting point is 00:12:53 But they wanted to jumpstart this thing, this going into this season. And, you know, it's one of the reasons I got excited at this off. And I'm like, oh, my God, finally. They picked the lane. They pick the lane. They're going to trade away this high price veteran stuff that didn't win them, Jack. And even though it bummed me out to think that the cartels were going to struggle this year, it at least felt like they decided on a.

Starting point is 00:13:18 direction and they were going to it. And then Sonny and Wilson said, no, we don't want to be traded. Aronado, we don't trade to Houston, which essentially put us right back in the same freaking spot. They were last year. And that's a meddling 500 team with a hope that the younger players would progress and make them better. It didn't work last year. It didn't work this year. Some of these guys, I feel like, have gone in a positive direction. And I think Matthew Libert Torres is a success story this year. Yvonne Herrera, when healthy, has shown a lot of promise. I'm excited for his future.

Starting point is 00:13:54 Alec Furlinson did very similar to what he did last year when they decided to finally give him a normal spot and let him just play. Didn't matter where he was the agent. He was playing first or in the outfield. They're like, we need your bat in the lineup, dude. You can stick. So he'd been good. But you haven't seen the big jump that you were hoping from guys that you thought were going to be stars. Jordan Walker, Nolan Gorman, even Mason Wynn. We don't talk badly about

Starting point is 00:14:23 Mason Wynn very often because he doesn't do a whole lot of things bad. It's been an amazing defensive way. There's really nothing to knock there. But hitting wise, he's essentially the same duty was last year. There's no progress. And that's a problem. He didn't get any better. He's just doing the same things. No, he's been dealing with that knee thing. But at the same time, like it's this all like go look at his numbers very identical so he didn't go any we didn't go up he didn't get worse he's just there uh victor scott has not come around offensively like he'd hoped you had that hot start and then everybody started to figure out to throw breaking balls at him and he fizzled out is a weapon when he gets on the base pass obviously stolen bases he's

Starting point is 00:15:07 one of the best in the league great defensively but the offense hasn't come around um but because this organization, you know, it fell behind in developing their prospects under Mo's watch. You had to go out and buy back of the rotation guys and hope that they would outperform whatever they did previously. And it doesn't work. They're back of the rotation guys for a reason. They're not supposed to be, dude, you build a rotation around. And personally, I'm tired of the Eric Fettys and the Miles Michaelis's and the Kyle Gippsons and the Lance Lens. Like all four of those guys may not be in baseball last year. Two of them are already out.

Starting point is 00:15:53 Gibson and Lennon retired. I don't know who's picking up Michaelis. Somebody probably will. But like the cartels used to be able to do more with less. Guys like Kyle Losh, Jeff Supon, Jeff Wee. You know, guys like that. They found success with those guys back in the day, but they don't do that anymore.

Starting point is 00:16:17 That was a long time ago. They don't have guys that can turn those people around. You don't have someone who is the caliber of Dave Duncan as your pitching coach anymore to help fix these veteran guys to teach them new things. You don't have Yadier Malina or Mike Mathini behind the plate to take care of these guys and make them better pitchers and better game managers. Those days are gone. So the thinking has to change around the St. Louis Cardinals.

Starting point is 00:16:45 And there's hope that it finally will when this season ends. And Heinblum, his era officially begins. The Cardinals need to develop their own stud pitchers. That's just the way it is. Every organization wants to develop their own stud. They don't want to go out and overpay for people. But some teams have the means and have decided that they can do that. But you go look at like, say, the Dodgers, they go out and they just buy a

Starting point is 00:17:13 whole rotation, but at the same time, they had all these young guys. They were developing, and they're able to trade them away and use them as pieces. Maybe they'll be interested in getting in Ryan Helsley or Nolan Aranado. Maybe that's something that's still, I don't think the Aronado thing's going to happen. But the Ryan Halsley, did you guys see Emmanuel Closet? This one just broke a little bit ago. Hold on. Let me get to the story. But that Emmanuel Class A has been, there we go. Guardians Closer, Emmanuel Class A placed on paid leave as part of league sports betting investigation. He was one of the big names that were being mentioned as relievers getting traded away at the deadline.

Starting point is 00:17:57 Guys that I think teams thought more highly of Emmanuel Claese than they do of Brian Halsley, but now he might be out of the picture. So that opens it up for Ryan Housley getting moved. and you're hoping that they can acquire some of the pitching that they've been lacking in their organization. You know, I there's my hope, again, Quinn Matthews, Dakota Roby, Team Kent's new first round pick, Liam Doyle. The hope is that these guys are going to be the beginning of the new regime of good starting pitchers that will come up. But Roby's out now. Hinson Matthews have dealt with injuries. William Doyle's just getting started.

Starting point is 00:18:39 So they're not like just knocking on the door waiting. So now we're still stuck with the same crap. We've had the last few years when that's these pitch to contact dudes. And it has not been a great recipe for a success. Even as good as this defense has been this year, the ball finds holes. If you can't get these guys to swing and miss, eventually they're going to burn you.

Starting point is 00:19:04 and it just happened to Michael McGreevy. Padreys got it like, it was like, ugh, that's depressing. They just need more pitching that misses bats. They need more swing and miss. It's just that simple. Hopefully they can acquire some guys like that at this trade deadline with some of the pieces they have that could be moved,

Starting point is 00:19:25 you know. They've got a nice stable of bullpen pieces. The other teams that I think should find attractive, you know, Hellsley, Naton, Stephen Mats, obviously are big names, you know. I don't want to trade Jojo Romero. He's been awesome, but if somebody wants to overpay for it, again, everything is on sale right now. So come and get them. We're going to check in on the rumor mill next.

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Starting point is 00:22:43 So voice is recovering from it. So bear with me. But we've discussed the idea of let's talk some deadline. Trading Brennan Donovan. A lot of discussion about that, right? People are up in arms. People can't seem to choose what side of the fence they're on. Again, my thing is, if Brennan Donovan is getting interest, which I'm sure he is,

Starting point is 00:23:02 because he's a very good player and can do a lot of different things for a club. is that if somebody is willing to overpay, like overpay and give you anything you want for him, then you got to listen, but you don't have to get rid of him. This is not something where it's got to be done. I would love to keep Donnie around. He's kind of this captain of the team.

Starting point is 00:23:25 And when other guys are gone, whether that's Willie or Sunny or Oranato, he's going to be the veteran go-to guy to look at. So I'm not active. trying to get rid of him, but I will listen. Nolan Aronado is a different thing. You know, Nolan, the situation with him, what we've talked a lot about, obviously,

Starting point is 00:23:46 since last offseason, and he's got a no trade clause. This is the problem. As much as you want to get rid of his contract, he's got a no trade clause. So he holds all the power. But it doesn't mean teams won't be tempted to come talk to the Cardinals about him, specifically if they don't end up getting a Eugenio Suarez, which is the guy most of these teams are chasing.

Starting point is 00:24:17 It's been a hot topic. As soon as they dealt Josh Naylor, as soon as Arizona traded them, that meant a E. E. E. E. E. Haneos Juarez is not going to be a diamond back any longer. Unless he signs an extension, which doesn't, I don't see that happening. They're going to try to trade them because all these teams are after him, because he offers that elite pop from the hot corner.

Starting point is 00:24:37 but Nato's name is being brought up more and more because of the third base trade market being something that a lot of teams won. Mark, find sand over at MLB.com. Talked about it. You know, the Yankees jumping on the Ryan McMahon trade early, getting it over with.

Starting point is 00:24:54 That's our guy. But he points out that Svarez is the crown jewel of this deadline. And he lists the Cubs, the Mariners, the tigers, the brewers, the Reds, the Astros and the Phillies,

Starting point is 00:25:05 all having interests. in hand, which means one of those teams can get them. What are those other teams going to do? That's where Nolan Aronado comes into play here. It's kind of funny that A. E. E. E. E. Haneos, whereas he used to play for the baroners, the Tigers, the Reds, and they've all gotten rid of him. And now they all want to get them back.

Starting point is 00:25:26 So it's kind of funny to me. But this is where Nato could become important. Obviously, the trade deadline, Nato's got to approve it. Didn't like, didn't want to do the trade. to Houston in the off season. But Feinstein points out that even though Houston is in a need for a third basement following Isak Parade's recent injury, he says that the Astros don't appear inclined to make another bid for Aronado.

Starting point is 00:25:52 And I'm sure it wouldn't be as good as the offer that the Cardinals had this off season, which Nato vetoed. And that's why he's still in a Cardinal uniform. He points out the Yankees already got their guy. But a source said some of the other clubs pursuing Suarez could pivot to Arnado if they miss out on the Arizona slugger. He points out that Aronado's got two years, $42 million remaining on his contract beyond the season, 27 and $27 and $27,000 and $15 million in deferred money plus $5 million that will be paid by the Rockies as part of that trade. The Cardinals would likely have to pay down part of Arnao's contract in order to move them,

Starting point is 00:26:34 which is what they were going to do with the deal to Houston. St. Louis's desire to open a spot for some of its young infielers might prompt them to do that. After starting the season in strong fashion, Arnado's year has been a bit of a roller coaster, looked at having turned things around in June, posting an 801 OPS in the first 20 games. Since then, he's got a 476 OPS over his past 20 contests before Sunday. Overall, 10 home runs, 43 Rebby's 669 OPS and 93 games this season. 34-year-old remains an elite defender at third base, which we know, we know he's been awesome. Four outs above average raking in the 89th percentile, whether stellar defense,

Starting point is 00:27:13 and slightly below average offense are enough for a club to commit to two plus years of R&A remains to be seen, but it's certainly in play. I think it's really going to come down to how much money the Cardinals are willing to eat. They just ate the Feddy salary. He's pitching for the Braves, but the Cardinals are paying for that. Cardinals are going to have to pay for him to play for somebody else, too. And he's got to want to go there. And again, I don't know if he wants to leave during the season. Again, I'll keep saying it until I'm proven wrong, but it feels like Aronado would be more comfortable doing something like this in the offseason

Starting point is 00:27:51 where he's got more time to plan for it instead of just like a boom, God. Like it just doesn't feel like a Nato thing to do. But the way the season's going for the Cardinals and how bad it's been since the second half started and a lot of teams are still in contention. And maybe he would like to play for some of those teams. I don't know if he does or not. But we'll see. We'll see if he's interested or whether or not he'd rather revisit this in the offseason once again.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Well, on the field-wise, losing the final two against the Padres, ruined the momentum they had built after winning those first two. One in five road trip sucked. Then you went two against the Padres. Oh, we're not that bad. Nope, we suck again. Michael McGreevy getting pummeled in his first start as a member of the rotation, didn't help anything out or two because that was one of the things that the fan base was excited to see.

Starting point is 00:28:39 Betty's gone. Yay. The Wicked Witch is gone. McGreevy, he's our shiny new toy. We'll put him out. He just got killed too. But we'll see how he responds to adversity. This is his first time really getting hit hard by a team in the major league. So it seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders, very mature for his age. So I'm sure he'll be fine. But the question is, is it good enough as a pitcher? Again, he's another pitcher to contact guy. You got the Marlins in town losing record overall. I think they still have a losing record, don't they?

Starting point is 00:29:12 Because they were way down there for a little bit. Yeah, 50 and 54. But they played so much better, like in the last month or so. Like, they've been a really good team. So no pushovers here. Tonight, it's Edward Cabrera. Really good right-hander against Andre Palante, whose ERA continues to creep closer to five, which is bad.

Starting point is 00:29:33 He's going in the wrong direction as most of this team. has things are very ugly right now and this to co-a roby news just puts another shadow over this dark time for this franchise i know it's rough but uh maybe we'll see something exciting happening at this trade deadline but obviously we'll keep you posted if anything uh drops thanks for making a lot on carlos your first listen every day for your second listen uh again mlb game night go check that out if you haven't given us a follow on x at l underscore carlos at jd sports radio please do that TikTok, Instagram. Obviously, YouTube got the channel. It's a good time. So come by and see us if you're listening to this on just the audio. You guys are the best fans of baseball for a reason. I know what's tough right now, guys. I know, I know.

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