Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Thomas Saggese Shines In Cardinals Triumph Over The Reds

Starting point is 00:00:02 Well, it was a Thomas Sejacy day on Thursday because the Cardinals took the series thanks to the brand new call up for St. Louis as they salvage the season series, just a little bit for the Cardinals, even though the Reds, they took the season series long ago. Hey, what's up? My name is Jeff Carr. I am the host of the Lockdown Reds podcast. I'm alongside J.D. Haffron. He is the host of the Lockdown Cardinals podcast. And we're going to do a bit of a postmortem for this one series for the season series, the Reds and the Cardinals, they're done in 2024. Quite frankly, I think they're both done, done. Like I think when the regular season ends, both these teams will be heading off to the golf course and the beach and all that other stuff. Looking ahead to 2025. Well, we'll look ahead of 2025 coming up here in a few minutes.

Starting point is 00:00:50 Later on in the show, I also want to do a little bit of game because I feel like John Mazzaliac, Nick Crawl, David. Bell and Oliver Marmal kind of have the same energy whenever they're talking to people. And we're going to see just how true that is coming up in a little bit. But we'll start first, of course, with this series that the Cardinals ended up taking two out of three. That's coming up on today's Lockdown Reds, Lockdown Cardinals crossover that is brought to you by PricePix.

Starting point is 00:01:20 Go to priespix.com slash locked on MLB and use code all lowercase, Lockdown MLB to win $50 dollars instantly when you play five dollars and uh jaddy i guess the cardinals won two out of three how you feeling there pal i'm feeling good i'm feeling great i'm re-energized uh about my franchise to uh take down the evil reds finally honestly really what it is it's not so much that we needed to just beat the reds but i i need to be okay at my own household jess because my wife is a is a monster a Reds fan being from Cincinnati. And for years and years, the Cardinals have, let's be honest, they've kind of kicked around the Reds a little bit.

Starting point is 00:02:02 Last two years, the Reds have won both season series, seven to six, I believe. And I got to hear it appear, all right? And constantly, you know? And even though the Reds take the season series this time around to have the Cardinals go out winning the final two, I think it's going to bring a little piece, a little balance to my household. And that's really what my world is all about these days because, as you mentioned, these teams aren't going anywhere this year. I mean, yeah, the Cardinals haven't been eliminated mathematically yet,

Starting point is 00:02:36 but we've already turned the page. You can see how the lineups were in the series and how things are moving forward, where it's more about 2025 than it is the rest of this season, which I think the fan base, myself, we're all on board for it. You know, there's no real need to keep hanging on to hope that some miracle is going to happen anymore. You just go out and do what you can with the guys you have, and you're getting a glimpse of some of the future. As you mentioned, with Thomas and J.C., getting the call up and having the big day here on Thursday. So, you know, that was fun to see.

Starting point is 00:03:09 You know, anytime you get to see somebody get their first hit and their first RBI, and he played outstanding with the glove in the series as well, it was a breath of fresh air for the Cardinals. robbed a short hit of Reese Hines there in the top of the eighth inning that was right up the middle. So J.C. ranging over to his right. Makes a great play to even stab the thing. Turns around, makes the throw. And Reese Hines is not a slow guy. I mean, that was a great play, even with the glove. But to see him get his RBI there in the ninth inning, that was something interesting to see as well. So nice on C.C. for, you know, bringing balance to the force of the half of the hassle. But he also really threw a wrench in the ultimate plan that managed.

Starting point is 00:03:47 had set up for the Cincinnati Reds because you see JD the ultimate plan for the 2024 Cincinnati Reds is that they would be the most interesting 500 ball club in all of Major League Baseball and now they have to win 10 out of their last 14 to accomplish that goal and at least be a 500 ball club at the end of the season and you're talking about a series in Minnesota coming up this weekend you're talking about seeing the Cubs for three going to Pittsburgh for three which has been a problem for the Reds not a problem for many other teams, but it's been a problem for the Reds. So the fact that they ended up losing this rubber match was tough.

Starting point is 00:04:25 And it all for me changed in the sixth inning because the Reds were sitting there with bases loaded, one out. I'm like, here we go. They just tied the ball game up and you got Tyler Steen and sent it to play. Good vibes all around. Then he strikes out. Then T.J. Friedel hits a lazy ground ball to third base ending over. That was the theme for the Reds in the whole series,

Starting point is 00:04:47 but that's really what killed them in this rubber match was the fact that they could not hit with runners in scoring position. Quite frankly, they didn't hit a whole lot at all. I mean, I'm glad that they were able to get a shutout in game one because that feels like the only way they were going to win any of these ball games, considering they only scored one run in the second and third games. The Reds were just completely stymied by everybody on the mound not named Andre Palante. Yeah, yeah, Sunny Gray coming in on Thursday, uh, had not gotten a win against the Reds, which was kind of hard to believe in his career, like out of any team that he played for. And we know that he has this tendency to pitch pretty well at the beginning. And then somewhere

Starting point is 00:05:27 around the fifth inning, sixth inning, you know, usually the third time through the order, something happens and it gets triggered. And it felt like we were going down that path again, where the bases were loaded. He gave up the single. He had a perfect game up until that Fraley single. And then there was the walk. And then that you were like, oh, no, this is where it's going to spin out of control. Sunny's a much better pitcher at Bush Stadium than he has been on the road this year. And he was able to wiggle out of it and give his team a chance to stay in the ballgame. But normally we've seen that happen before where, uh, oh, now three runs get across.

Starting point is 00:06:02 He gives up a two runs. You know, something just dreadful happens in one inning and kind of torpedoes what is usually a pretty good sunny gray start until that point. Yeah, I was, I was hoping that that would continue. but he was able, everybody was able to recover well on that one because these, these Reds bats, man, they were, they were just shut down. I mean, anytime Kittridge came in, it felt like everybody went to sleep, Jojo Romero, shut them all down.

Starting point is 00:06:26 Ryan Fernandez trying to think of other open guys. They all right. Ryan Hellsley. Ryan Hellsley, yeah, in game two. So all of that to being said, like the Reds still had some good pitching performances. And as weird as their situation has been for the last month with everybody on the injured list, Jacob Junus comes in, and he does allow the solo shot, but at the same time, that is the first run that he is allowed as a starter. This is his third start for the Reds, and he's now pitched 14 total innings, and he has one run allowed.

Starting point is 00:06:56 It is phenomenal to watch him pitch as a starting pitcher, and that's not something I thought it was going to say, whenever the Reds acquired him in the trade that set Frankie Montas to the Brewers, which, I mean, quite frankly, look, look, I don't pretend to understand the mind of a Cardinals family, But if I were a Cardinals fan watching that deal, I'd be like, what the heck are you doing to us here, Reds? Why you send them help to the team that's needed starting pitching help all year long? Anyway, I digress. I understood it, though, trying to get out from under what you had to pay the rest of the year to Frankie made a lot of sense. And unfortunately, yeah, you did send it to the team in the division, which is a big no, no, Nick Crawl. But I understood it.

Starting point is 00:07:35 If you were going to, you got to take the best package you can get in return for what was left of Montes this year and get rid of that contract. So I understood it. But yeah, I was impressed by all of the red starters in this series. You know, obviously, the game on Wednesday night, Williamson, looking at that from the left hand side, I mentioned that in yesterday's episode. I was like, don't look now, but the reds, if they can keep some of these guys healthy, that's a nice little young, five-man rotation you got built there. And three of those guys are lefties where you got Hunter Green and Andrew Abbott and Nick Lodolo and then you've got Williamson and then Rhett Louder who, you know, look fantastic at his start. So I was like, look out. Those guys stay healthy. That could be some

Starting point is 00:08:24 trouble. That's going to be the thing that they can really hang their head on this off season. I would like to see them go out and get another starter, but it seems like they've got depth. And even guys like, I mean, Carson Spires came into the game, the rubber match on Thursday and got his brains beat in a little bit. He's been getting his brains beat in his last couple of appearances, But he really had a nice run there whenever he was first called up. And they were looking at him to maybe replace Graham Ashcraft. And he said, no, maybe about it. I got this, man.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Just hang on. But now it seems like fatigue is really caught up with him. But he's going to be part of that depth for the Reds next year. But, yeah, ultimately the Reds fall two out of three to this one. The future, and we kind of mentioned it there, is interesting for both of these teams. because it feels like the Cardinals and the Reds need to make some moves this off season, but none of them are really like intuitive.

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Starting point is 00:11:37 now and not the past. Yes, not definitely not the past. But we will also kind of look ahead a little bit because these two teams figured to be in the race. They figure to be part of the playoff picture this season. And more so from the Cardinals because they're just always in the playoff picture, even though they had such a tough year in 2023, they really bounced back well for most teams. But for a team like the Cardinals with the kind of history that they have, this sort of season is just kind of one of those,

Starting point is 00:12:08 I would almost look at it as kind of like a tease because it's definitely teasing me as a Reds fan. who I'm tired of losing, and I thought we were done doing it here this season. Yeah, I don't even know if I would say tease for the Cardinal side of it. I feel like they're disappointed again. I think the front office at least believed that this team that they had put together was a playoff contender. The fan base, myself included, never thought that what they had assembled to start this year was enough to get them to get them to that. where you're like, are you sure about that? Yeah, I mean, and it all started in the offseason when you saw the signings of

Starting point is 00:12:49 Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn. That's not enough. It was never going to be enough. The Sunny Gray signing was wonderful, okay? But you needed somebody kind of like a Sunny Gray level-wise to bring the team up to the level where it would be an actual contender. You did not see the offense was going to be as bad as it was this year. you didn't foresee Jordan Walker and Nolan Gorman and Nato and Galtrow and all these guys having these horrible seasons.

Starting point is 00:13:18 That wasn't expected. And I can't really put that on the front office. But when it came to trying to put other pieces together for this team to take them to the next level, I think that's where the letdown began before even a first pitch was thrown. And you saw it in this series. And, you know, there was comments made by your TV commentators about how empty the ballpark was. And, you know, I remember Jeff Brantley, former Cardinal, Cardinal legend. Jeff Brantley made the comment where he's like,

Starting point is 00:13:45 I've been coming to St. Louis to play ball and watch ball for 35 years. I've never seen it like this. Where the fan base is just like, we're tired of average being what they're striving for. They're tired of hearing, well, if we get in, no, we don't want that anymore, you know? And it's spoiled as the Carls have been over the years, because that's the thing is like other franchises would kill for what.

Starting point is 00:14:12 they're doing, you know, to be two games over 500 at this point, many teams will be happy with that. But the Cardinals consider, at least the fan base, considers themselves a step above that. And they're going to look at this season as a disappointment, as a waste. And there's a lot of things that contributed to it. They don't like the way that they have handled some of the younger players, the up and downs of Jordan Walker coming up, coming down, bring them up as a platoon player, don't play them, send him back. They're like,

Starting point is 00:14:42 what are you doing with this guy? Like, would the Reds have ever done that with Ellie, De La Cruz when they brought him up? Because that's what Jordan Walker is supposed to be like, not the same player, but like their top prospect, you know,

Starting point is 00:14:54 and that's just not how you treat these guys. And it's baffling to Cardinals fans, how the front office continuously gets this stuff wrong. And they keep screwing young hitters up who end up either getting shipped off to other teams or just not having a great career altogether. And then they go on to other places and succeed. and it just drives everybody nuts. So I don't see this season as a tease. I think it's considered a

Starting point is 00:15:18 disappointment from our side. Yeah, and I think it's interesting because they did that with Mason Wend, but they don't do it with Jordan Walker. I wonder if they're seeing something behind the scenes that they're not wanting to talk about, but it's always tough when it comes to that because there's certain players like that. Like Reese Hines is not on the same level. He is not a can't miss prospect. In fact, quite frankly, I didn't expect him to make the major leagues this. year but he came up he was on fire and then he kind of hit a cold spell think at one point he was like one further 20 something something like that he was going through his slump and you're like okay well he's working through something the reds are kind of sliding out the playoff race here let's see

Starting point is 00:15:56 if he can work on it and send that in triple a start seeing a bunch of other guys like he would i believe the move to open up a roster spot for dom smith uh was to send reiss hines down he's like dumb Smith. That's what we're going with. All right. I don't know about that, but sure, but that's kind of been the thing. I think that it's very similar about the Reds and the Cardinals, is that both of the lineups have disappointed. And for different reasons, obviously, Goldschmett and Aronado kind of anchoring the lineup, you've got that veteran anchor. We knew that the Reds didn't have a veteran anchor. The Reds didn't go out and get that guy. Quite frankly, that was a need that I thought they should have addressed this last offseason. And they didn't.

Starting point is 00:16:41 And then that was a need at this trade deadline that the Reds had the weirdest trade deadline ever where they're like, we're not going to sell and we're not going to buy, but we're going to make moves. And I don't know. But they didn't go get them at the deadline. And so now we're going into the off season. Guess what I think they need. A veteran guy to anchor their lineup because they didn't develop anybody. Nobody really jumped up and said, I'm your dude. I'm your RBI machine. I'm the guy in the middle of the order that you really have to worry about. They've had some guys that have had some nice. stretches, but for the most part, there is no big bopper. And then this team does not have the team power that I thought they did. Um, I think a lot of that has to do with guys like Will Wilson really declining. Noelvi Marte just it felt like his career got reset by the PED suspension. And then he had a hard time getting going. We're seeing a little bit of better contact, a little bit better play in the field here recently, but is it to the point that I'm like, pencil them in opening day third baseman next year? I think that he's got a lot of work to do to earn his way back to where we thought he was and where we maybe got a little bit over excited about this spring trainee.

Starting point is 00:17:51 And then guys like CES, what are they going to be? What is Matt McLean going to be to this team after? And quite frankly, they still haven't announced that they're going to shut him down. I think they should. There's no time left in the season. And they should really just focus on getting him healthy for next year. But that then carries a question with it of he's going to be almost 600. days between games.

Starting point is 00:18:14 That's going to be really tough for me to just be like, yep, we can pencil them into the middle of the order and feel good about it. So there's definitely a lot of questions that the Reds have to answer this off season. But the thing is, nobody's going anywhere. Unless they get creative, unless the Reds make a move where they trade a guy that you're not expecting, that's only the only way I can see it happening.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Maybe they go out and they make a big free agent move in the outfield. But if they're going to be loyal to their guys, and the Reds have been pretty loyal to their players over the last couple of years under Nick Crawl, then I'm a little bit worried about running it back again next year and expecting different results. Yeah, and it's kind of the same thing with the Cardinals too, is like, all right, so this offseason, you're looking at Kyle Gibson, Lance Lynn, they both have team options. All right. And you've already got, you made the trade for Eric Fetty.

Starting point is 00:19:08 So you've got Fetty, Sunny Gray. Stephen Matt's is, you know, he's still there when he's healthy. It doesn't have very often. 30 years, hasn't he? Miles Michaelis is still under contract for one more year. There's a decision to be made there. Some people believe that he's a guy that you just need to cut bait on because he's just not been very good for quite a while now. But the cartels aren't one of those teams that is like willing to eat 17.6 million or even 11, 12 million just to get him out of

Starting point is 00:19:41 the way so that somebody else can come through and take a spot. Andre Palante, as you mentioned, is a guy that's given the Reds fits these days. And he definitely made some strides this year when he finally became a member of the starting rotation full time where they were like, no, no, no, no, this is your spot, man, you're cool. Got a whole lot better. And so there's not really a lot of room for a guy like a Gibson or a Lynn. And you've got some young guys that you want to bring up. But you still got four dudes that, you know, you just had this year coming back.

Starting point is 00:20:11 As of right now, you know, so not a lot of turnover there. On the offensive side of things, where are you bringing anybody in? You know, Paul Goldschmidt, he's a free agent, but you know how the Cardinals are. They're probably going to try to extend him for a year or two, see if we'll take a little less money and bring him back. Second base, you've got, you know, some of, you know, Sejacy, Gorman, Donovan, Wyn's not going anywhere. Nato's not going anywhere. Newt, Siani, Victor Scott. They're all coming back.

Starting point is 00:20:43 And this is the same team that you've kind of had for two years that hasn't won very much. And like, here we go. Like, what are they going to do? Like, how do you move on from some of these guys and inject a little more life into this lineup and become a better team when you got all these dudes coming back? I mean, like you said, they're going to have to get creative somehow if they're going to do any sort of turnover. because even bringing in, you know, letting some of these young guys play, they're unproven. And you learn the hard way with, you know, guys like Gorman,

Starting point is 00:21:16 who just ended up failing later on. Jordan Walker, even though he was very successful in the second half last year, has been outside of the one game in New York against the Yankees, hasn't really done anything at the Major League level. And he wasn't doing a ton at the AAA level. So that's got to make people nervous, considering he was supposed to be your next guy. And now this is an entire year of kind of like, we don't know if he's any good now all of a sudden.

Starting point is 00:21:43 Like we're not quite sure, which is, that's a scary proposition when he's supposed to be your guy. And it was supposed to be him and Mason win. And they were going to be the one, two guys coming into this lineup. And now one of them's Jordan Walker's missing. Gorman's in AAA now trying to learn how to hit the ball again. Like, it's a mess. And it's, you expect them to take a step next year and become better. But you thought they were going to do it this year too.

Starting point is 00:22:06 and it didn't happen. And you saw the results where, uh, the offense as a whole suffered big time with them not doing what they were supposed to do and the regression of, uh, Aronado engulgment. And that's kind of been the big thing for the Reds this year, too, is that, you know, progression is not a straight line. Like it's not cut and dry. Everybody's going to get better as much as we might have wanted to because if that was the case, the Reds would be where we wanted them to be. But there was a lot of guys, man. They took a step back this year. So can we bet on them to take a step back forward, maybe even two steps forward and cover some of the ground we thought they would do this year. That's going to be the hard question and something that

Starting point is 00:22:45 Nick Crawl needs to answer. Hopefully we'll see him do that this offseason. But you know what? J.D., when it comes to Nick Crawl answering questions, when it comes to John Azaleck answering questions, David Bell, Oliver Marmel, can we tell the difference if we just look at what they said? Because I'm not so sure we can. We're going to try. or at least I'm going to have you try because I haven't written coming up next. There is still a little bit time left here in the major league baseball season for you to take advantage of prize picks. They're America's number one daily fantasy sports app.

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Starting point is 00:25:59 So we really touched a lot on the season series, the two out of three series that the Cardinals just won. we kind of looked ahead a little bit. Let's have some fun because I feel like in maybe this off season, we do a bigger version of this with our friend Ethan Smith because I really feel like Derek Shelton, David Bill, and Oliver Marmel could all talk. Like, don't let me see their face, but they could all talk. And I'd be like, that's the same person.

Starting point is 00:26:25 They're all the same person. But I want to do four different, I have four different quotes and I'm going to have you guess who they are. And the four people will narrow it down because there's a lot of people in the world. But the four people that we're looking at is John Mozaliac, Krall, David Bell, Oliver Marmal. We're going to see if you can guess who said. And I do want to ask this real quick.

Starting point is 00:26:45 Is anybody seen Crawl and Moseilac in the same room at the same time? Because they're quite similar builds and looks and I'm just curious. Is it, is it AI generated? Does every team got the same guy, but it's just AI generated the image? It feels like at least here in the central. our guys at least yeah they all say that well because they all've got the same type of owners that they're dealing with too so that that helps um but yeah let's try this let's okay here's the first quote that i'm going to give you and i got to guess which of the four set which of the four guys yes

Starting point is 00:27:21 okay and i'll give you a hint as far as when we're talking about the manager's quotes they're after losses and the general manager's quotes are talking about moves okay some of them though will be hard to talk about. So this, this is the first one. This one, I think this one's kind of easy, but I didn't find a whole lot on him. So let's see. Quote, I feel like all these guys are Uber talented. I think when last year, I think when it comes to last year, we didn't go like we wanted to go. And a lot of pressure was put on individuals to do more than they could or should. The belief we have with these players, where they are in their careers, they are all star caliber players. I'm going to go with John Moseilock on that one. John Moseilac. It was

Starting point is 00:28:11 leading in the spring training. Yeah. I almost put too much of a hint in there and actually would have made the quote too long anyway. But he mentioned he's just like we added 15 new guys to the 40 man roster. I had a 38% turnover. And it's so funny. Like I don't like it when general managers do that, man. Like don't tell me about the quantity. Tell me about what you fixed. Tell me about the holes that you addressed and things like that. Don't tell me about, oh, we brought in all these guys. It's like, yeah, I went to Taco Bell and got a lot of tacos too, but that. Yeah, don't tell me about your fourth catcher that you added to the 40 man roster. Like, no, man, I mean, give me, give me your top 15 guys and tell me they're better than the last 15 that you had on this team last year. That's what,

Starting point is 00:28:57 that's where I need to see the improvement, the depth stuff. If you get there, so be it. But like, that's not what I'm worried about when we're starting. And, uh, I don't know, I I just didn't feel that Nick Crawl would say something like, at first I don't think he would say the word Uber or would he call anybody, would he say all stars for what the Reds are doing because of the youth of the team. I don't think he's ready to call him all all stars. That's how I separated him and went with Big Mo. That's fair. Because he is, I mean, Nick Crawl is very general. Like he got in trouble early on in his career as a general manager for being too direct.

Starting point is 00:29:35 with his quotes and and trying to be a little bit creative with what he was saying. Be more boring. It's what he really wanted you to be. Take note. Jamo Zaylock is the most boring dude alive. Like even when he's excited, he's like the guy, uh,

Starting point is 00:29:49 from Ferris Bueller, Bueller, he's that guy. Ben Stein. Remember that dude? That's who he is. He's very much like him. Got that Ben Stein energy to him.

Starting point is 00:29:59 Let's, let's do another one here. Here's another quote. We've done it quite a bit this year. opponents have done it against us this year. It's part of the game. When you're on the wrong side of it, it hurts. When you're on the right side of it,

Starting point is 00:30:13 you know how important it is. I'm going to go David Bell. Two for two. Look at that. This was after the Red Sox, when the Reds lost to the Red Sox 4 to 3 and Stuart Fairchild had a game tying home run that was robbed by Jaron Duran there in center field.

Starting point is 00:30:31 Yeah, and it does hurt when it happens against you. And when it goes your way, it feels good. Yeah, that's very David Belly. Yes. I pick that because I'm like, you could literally be talking about anything. And quite frankly, I don't even know that it needs to be baseball.

Starting point is 00:30:48 Like, it could be anything. It reminds me of Bull Durham. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Sometimes it rains. And okay. Cool. Make sure I write that down.

Starting point is 00:31:00 Give it direct quote. All right, let's do another one here. Here's another quote. They're going to take their best shot. There are times they're going to come through. There are times. That's Olly Marmal. You don't even have to continue anymore.

Starting point is 00:31:14 That is Olly Marmal to a T. I've heard that phrase over and over. You just, just stop you right there, Jeff. That is Olly. He was close. This, I feel like reading this quote and then you,

Starting point is 00:31:31 you saying that he says it a lot. I feel like what he did was he took that the quote that Michael Scott wrote up on the marker board. And he's just like, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Wayne Gretzky said it. Michael Scott said that Wayne Gretzky said it. It's like, maybe Oliver Marble's like, okay, I can't say that. So how do I, what's, you know, what's like the synonymous, you know, where's a the source for this thing? And that's what he came up with was, was this. You know, and I feel bad for these guys, because they never want to. I don't want to say criticize because he learned the hard way last year with Tyler O'Neill when you say something about a player out in the media. It doesn't go well in the clubhouse.

Starting point is 00:32:09 So they can't, they can't tear their own dudes apart and they got to sound positive as best they can. But you can just tell when you've seen enough interviews when they're just like, dude, I get it. We aren't good. We understand that. We're hitting 158 with bases loaded. You guys going to have to keep telling me that I know we stink. What do you want me to do about it? That's what he wants to say.

Starting point is 00:32:29 But he can't do that. So he's got to be like, you know, we're going to keep trying. We're going to compete. We're going to keep taking this. We're going to try to take good at bats and, you know, see what happens. I trust these guys. This is that's, that's all he can say. Yeah. Yeah, it's that David Bell is the same way. And because I kind of gave it away the four different quotes, the last one was Nick

Starting point is 00:32:50 crawl. And this was Nick Crawl's quote. He said, yeah, I'm not going to comment on the market. But at the same time, he has been an impactful player for this team. And he brings a lot of qualities to this team right now and hopefully gives us a chance to win this year. Yeah, that could be, that could, that's a very Moe way to say it too where I'm not going to I'm not going to comment on the market like because he he tends to stay away from it which always makes me wonder how things get leaked because he never says anything like

Starting point is 00:33:15 he never shows his hand probably a pretty good poker player behind the scenes is john moseilac but it's it's strange man how you know where both of these teams are very similar in records not so similar in age groups of what our teams are but still similar with how our front office is reacting to things and trying to build things. And they're both kind of in a tough spot where they're all, they all have a core that they put their faith in. And it's kind of right or die with them right now because that's what you got. You've got so many guys that you believe in and you think are going to be good.

Starting point is 00:33:52 And you're just, you're ready to move forward with that. I mean, this offseason when talking about making any sort of moves, I don't know if either one of our franchises makes any sort of splash whatsoever, to be honest. I think it's kind of these are the guys and you might tinker with a couple of pieces, but this is who they're hoping takes that next step. Yeah, marginal moves here and there, but I think you're right. As much as I hope that the Reds go get one soda, probably not going to have. Not if we get them first, Jeff. Not if we get them. Too many similar needs. Too many similar needs. But hey, that is a great spot to end today's crossover. We'll be talking more

Starting point is 00:34:29 throughout the offseason, kind of doing some divisional crossovers and things like that. as we look at where the NL Central is going. And good Lord, can somebody, the Brewers are not a good team. How are they a good team? They're not a good team on paper, but they're a good team on the field. And it's just whatever. It's annoying. We'll talk more about this offseason, how our two teams can overcome the Brewers.

Starting point is 00:34:49 But for now, that's it for the Reds and Cardinals in 2024. We'll reconvene in 2025. But thanks so much for checking out this lockdown Reds, Lockdown Cardinals crossover. We are part of the lot of the lockdown. on podcast network, your team every single day.

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