Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - URGENT NEED: St. Louis Cardinals Should Target Tyler Mahle to BOLSTER Rotation—Why This Makes Sense

Starting point is 00:00:00 The Cardinals are eyeing a rotation upgrade, and rumors are swirling around one surprising veteran starter. Is St. Louis ready to make the move, though? This is Locked on Cardinals. You are Locked on Cardinals. Your daily St. Louis Cardinals podcast, part of the Locked on podcast network, your team every day. Hey there, Cardinals fans. I'm J.D. Hafford, a former national radio sports anchor, board and raised in St. Louis, a lifetime Cardinals fan, and welcome to Locked on Cardinals. It's part of the Locktown Podcast Network now, the number one sports podcast network.

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Starting point is 00:00:56 On today's show, we'll take a look at some of the rumors swirling in regard to the NL Central. could the Reds? Really? Really? Land one of the top three agent headers on the market. We'll discuss the latest on the Wilson Contreras situation and how that could benefit the Cardinals and why they would make such a move as trading Wilson Contreras, why they would do that. But we'll begin today with the starting rotation, which as of today doesn't have a whole lot of experience going into 2026. Will that change? I would think so. It would shock me if the Cardinals didn't bring in some sort of veteran presence onto the team to compete for a spot in the rotation, if not he handed a spot in the rotation, depending on the level of that veteran that they sign. Without Sunny Gregg, you are now looking at newly acquired Richard Fitz, who has 14 career starts. Matthew Libertor, 53 career starts. Michael McGreevy, 19 career starts. Kyle Leahy has one career start. And then Andre Palante, by default, has 61 career starts as your top options for the starting five in your rotation.

Starting point is 00:02:11 Kind of lean, kind of lean. Last year, Sunday, Great Miles Michael has combined to give you 63 starts together, which is more than the most experienced starter that you have in the rotation right now when Andre Palante has added his entire career. And 31 of those starts for Palante just came last season when he was a dreadful, six and 50. with a 5.31 ERA. Most teams would never have let that guy get 231 starts. Cardinals, we'll stick with it. What have we got to lose? Let's keep them going out there. Why not? Now, you do have some guys in the minor leagues. They can be ready to step up at some point in 2026. Quinn Matthews, Bryce and Mott's, Max Ratchick, all three of them have been the Cardinals. Minor League players of the year the last three seasons. According to Recefa, won at 2026.

Starting point is 00:03:02 2022. I'm assuming he's going to remain as a bullpen guy. I don't know that, but I would assume that's what's going to happen. But it could change. It could change. But they've got guys that have shown the ability to be pretty darn good in the minor leagues. Can they finally make the push and make it up to the major leagues this year? We'll see. Cooper Jerpy, people are excited about him. He's coming back from his injury this season. Those never pitched above AA. Tinkins is always dealing with something. So it's hard to trust him at this point. Note to Coa Robe, he's down with an injury from last season.

Starting point is 00:03:35 So you can see why finding the right fit with a veteran would make a ton of sense for the Cardinals. And the Cardinals on their side, they're not looking to break the bank, right? They're not trying to just go out and spend a ton of money on a starter, although they've said that if the right fit made sense, they would entertain a longer deal. But I'm not going to get my hopes up on that whatsoever. I would not expect that to happen. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does, but I don't expect it. So a likely target for this team would be someone that is looking for a short deal,

Starting point is 00:04:09 one-year deal, maybe two with an option, has a history of success at some point. All right? You're not trying to just get some guy who hasn't shown the ability to do anything at the major league level in the first place. That's not going to help you, Winnie. But you want somebody who's got a track record, has done some good things, and perhaps is coming off an injury, and looking to resalue. solidify himself as a viable starter in the major leagues and would find a place like St. Louis comfortable that it would be used to something like that, maybe a Midwest type of guy,

Starting point is 00:04:41 maybe somebody who's pitched in the Midwest a few times in his career. And the name that is circulating as a top match for all of those things is right-hater Tyler Mallee. Now, not that long ago, if you're unfamiliar with who Tyler Mallee is, not that long ago, the now 31-year-old Malley was a valuable trade deadline piece for the Cincinnati Reds, which is who we got drafted by, got traded to the Minnesota Twins in a deal that netted the Reds prospects from the twins at the time. They were Spencer Stier and Christian Incarnacian Strand. Now, Stier has been a big piece for the Reds and their recent success over the last couple of years,

Starting point is 00:05:21 while Encarnacian Strand has shown plenty of power, but he can't seem to stay healthy. the point being that he was a wanted commodity. Like people really wanted to get their hands on Tyler Mallet. In 2021, he had a 4.9 war with the Reds in one season. So he was pretty darn good. It was having a good season in 2022 when he got traded. And the twins paid a decent price for him. But then the injuries began.

Starting point is 00:05:47 He had Tommy John surgery in 2023, which ended his tenure with the twins. He became a free agent, signs a two-year deal with the Texas. Rangers because he's coming back from the injury. Shows back up in August to 24 only to go back on the IEL right away with shoulder issues in that same month, which ended that season. Comes back last season, makes 14 starts. Looks pretty darn good. Go six and three with a 2.34 ERA, 3.41 FIPP, so everything kind of lines up. And once again, the injury bug bites him. This time it's a rotator strain, which knocks him out again until September when he's able to make two more starts. Now, he doesn't pick up a win in those. two starts, but he ends up throwing nine and two-thirds innings, got a 0.93 ERA only gave up one-earned run, strikes out 10 to end the season with a six and four record, a 2.18 ERA and 16 starts, ERA plus at 168. So there's a lot to like there about those numbers and what Tyler Malley can do when he's healthy, obviously. And it kind of sounds like the type of the type of guy that the card knows would be willing to kick the tires on, doesn't it? Has pitched in Cincinnati?

Starting point is 00:06:55 has pitched in Minnesota. Who's somebody else that had displayed for the Cardinals that did that? Oh, his name was Sunny Gray and was pretty attracted to coming to St. Louis, felt comfortable there. Then he got, you know, Malley went to the Texas Rangers, but, you know, we also had Sunny Gray going to, it was in Oakland, and then he was with the Yankees. So, but the Midwest seems to suit him. Tyler Malley seems like he's pretty darn comfortable in the Midwest. Now, there certainly will be other suitors who will be intrigued with Tyler Malley's upside.

Starting point is 00:07:25 And so it's going to be on Heinbloom. If this is somebody that they target as somebody that would look good for the Cardinals, they're going to have to woo him and pay him to get him to St. Louis. But the relationship, it just makes sense. It makes sense on the surface here for what the Cardinals are trying to do in 2026. And where Tyler Malley is at in his career, find a guy with top of the rotation ceiling that can be an anchor for this young staff, willing to be moved at the trade deadline if things are good.

Starting point is 00:07:55 you know, we would love to get a crack at a spot in a rotation on a team like the Cardinals at this time. In a recent write-up at MLB.com, they have Malley as a free agent match with the Cardinals as well, saying the Cardinals are clearly in reset mode after trading Sunday Gray with more deals likely to come this winter, but St. Louis is in need of rotation help for 26. And with long-term deal seemingly not in its plans, the club could look to starting pitchers willing to sign for a year or two, which I have said for a while now. They point out Malley's stats last year, says, you know, be aware he has not reached the 100-inning mark since 2022. So that'll be four years come this season. So he could look to take a one-year deal with the hopes of putting together a healthy year before testing free agency again next off season.

Starting point is 00:08:42 It fits. It makes sense. There are other names out there. Solid names that you might be more familiar with. The Cardinals should have interest in that aren't top of the market guys. as much as we would love to see them talk to a guy like a Michael King or Zach Gallen or a Ranger Suarez. I'm just not going to get my hopes up for that. I don't believe that that's what they'll do. I don't think they're in the mindset of looking at those guys and saying, yes, we should throw a bunch of

Starting point is 00:09:13 money at them right now. It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me. But looking at the rest of the free agent list, you've got other names that are a couple tiers down from that, a Zach Eflin, a Zach Eflin, a Zach Let'sel, apparently Zach's are in this year. Zach Gallin, Eflin, Letell. They're all spelled differently, too. The way they spell Zach, which is a little weird. But Justin Berlander, Max Scherzer, are you willing to talk to them at their age? Michael Lorenzen, who was with the Royals?

Starting point is 00:09:42 Would you roll with a Jose Cantana at his age, 37? Pitch pretty darn good with the Brewers last year. We brought up Dustin May before. We brought up Walker Bueller, who pitched well when he got to the Phillies, but it was awful in Boston. So these are guys that I think would be intriguing. None of them are sure things by any means. There's obviously some alarms that will go off about a few of them.

Starting point is 00:10:06 But this is kind of the area where the Cardinals are going to do their shopping this year. And, you know, with any extra money that they saved from, you know, the Sun Gray trade, obviously. They didn't, they don't have to pay him his full deal anymore. What can they recoup from trading Nolan Arnata? how much they have to eat there, perhaps even a Wilson Contreras trade. So let me know your thoughts below. We'll talk about Wilson Contreras and what former Cardinals writer, that's right.

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Starting point is 00:12:22 the athletic for the past five years, is moving on to cover the Dodgers next season. Not sure who's taking over for Katie yet. I haven't seen an announcement. spent on that, but we'll found out soon enough. Like the winter meetings are coming up. Somebody's going to have to do it. So we'll see what happens. But anyways, congratulations to Katie Wu. She's been on the show before.

Starting point is 00:12:42 Fantastic reporter. And you can just kind of tell that she was starting to progress past the Cardinals, was doing more national stuff. I can just sense that something was going on. So Katie to L.A., she's from California, I believe. So congratulations to her. But anyways, she wrote an article about the state of the Cardinals ahead of the winter meetings, which will begin on December 7th. Most of the stuff we kind of already knew.

Starting point is 00:13:08 If you're every day or here at Lockdown Cardinals, you know almost all in the stuff she brought up in this article. We've discussed it tirelessly because that's what we do here at Lockdown Cardinals. She writes that St. Louis has established a clear line of offseason priorities. It's more pressing. The trading Nolan Aronaut, which we've said. After the sunny grade trade went down, what do we say? Nolan Arnato is the next domino that needs to fall first. It's got to be.

Starting point is 00:13:33 You got to move on from him so you can figure out what the hell you're doing with the other guys on your roster. Because everything kind of hinges on him to see where the infield shifts. Donovan, Gorman, what are you going to do with these guys? She continues saying that the Cardinals are committed to increasing roster flexibility, are actively listening on left-handed hitters because they've got a bunch. Donovan continues to garner the most interest, but rival clubs are also engaged on Lars Newport. and Nolan Gorman to a lesser extent. But not a bombshell announcement, but significant was that she brought up Wilsa Contreras,

Starting point is 00:14:08 and Katie said that despite saying at the end of last season that he preferred to stay with the Cardinals, Wilson Contreras is now more open to waive his full no trade clause for the right fit. Multiple league sources told the athletic. Contreras has two years and 36.5 million remaining on his five-year $85 million deal that he signed ahead of the 23 season, along with a club option worth 17 and a half in 28. This will not necessarily change the Cardinals' order of operations, but they will continue to gauge interest on Contreras and present tenure veteran with the option to approve a trade should one arrives. Now, yesterday, my crossover with Sully from Lockdown, MLB, give him a follow if you

Starting point is 00:14:47 haven't already, and thank you to those of you who watch that one or listen to it. I said to him that Willie may not want out at this moment, but certainly needs to keep his options open. And why would be? As much as he may like it in St. Louis and like the organization and like playing with the Cardinals and enjoy the fans, does he really want to be on a team at this point in his career at age 33, then it seemingly has no shot at winning a World Series in the foreseeable future. They just don't. It's not expected. Sure, we could get surprised and, you know, a bunch of these prospects come up and all of a sudden they're awesome. It could have. It could have happen. What's the likelihood of that happening? Slim, slim. I know that Willie's a great guy,

Starting point is 00:15:36 and he's a loyal guy and said that he wanted to help see the franchise through this stage of their rebuild. But if there's ever a time to be a little bit selfish and think about yourself, this is the time, Willie. And I don't think there's a single fan out there that would blame him for wanting to explore a better situation for himself and his family. Just like we didn't blame Sonny. for wanting out and saying, yeah, you know, I get it. Well, I understand. Same thing with Aronado. Once a better fit at this point in his career.

Starting point is 00:16:05 It's not personal. It's business. They're not mad at the Cardinals. Cardinals aren't mad at them. It's just where they are in their careers. Having a veteran who's making a solid chunk of change at this point probably doesn't want to be around where the Cardinals are because they are in this transition.

Starting point is 00:16:24 And the market for Willie might be pretty good, considering his numbers offensively, hit the 20 dingers, career high in RBIs last year and 135 games. The fact that his transition to first base went over so well last year, defensively, he was more than capable of manning the first base bag. He would think he'd get even better. Most of the errors that I remember seeing from Willie over at first base had nothing to do with fielding the ball. It was about throwing the ball in certain situations, specifically the double play balls over to second base. Like, you know, remember when he was a catcher and he would You throw it from the outside, outside of the bag or inside of the baseline.

Starting point is 00:17:01 And that's how you got around. Well, at first, you just pivot and you've got to find that spot real quick. You've got to move so much quicker. And it was a little tough for it. But I thought Willie was fantastic at first base last year. More than capable, much better than I thought he was going to be after seeing somebody like Paul Goldsmith play first base so well over the last few years. And you look around the free agent market at first base. And as far as like right-handed hitters go, you've got Pete Alonzo, who, you know, obviously huge bad, slugger.

Starting point is 00:17:33 Not great with the glove, which is one of the reasons why the Mets are kind of like, eh, did we really want to bring him back? Can we make up for his offense in other ways and have somebody better playing first base? And then like it kind of falls to guys like Paul Goldschmidt and Reese Hoskins from the right side. So not a ton to choose from on the free agent market. left-handed hitters a little bit better. Ryan O'Herns out there, Nathaniel Lowe, Luis Arise, who has no pop whatsoever, but is a pretty annoying batter at the top of the order.

Starting point is 00:18:06 But still, not a lot to choose from that would wow you, right? If you're shopping free agent-wise, like, are those the answers that you would want if you're somebody trying to win a title? So Contreras might be a guy that teams turn to. Katie continued saying the Cardinals do not view trading. Contreras as something they must do. They are not nearly as motivated to move them as they are Aronado. Trading Contreras would open up for his base full-time for Alec Berluson and could alleviate

Starting point is 00:18:36 some payroll concerns if a suitable partner does not jump out. St. Louis could hold on to Contreras to open the season and then pursue moving him at the trade deadline. Still, he's got a no trade clause. So if he doesn't feel like leaving at the trade deadline, doesn't have to. Just like he doesn't have to leave now if he doesn't want to. If you did move him, though, like ramifications-wise, that would be yet another right-handed bat that you're moving on from, that you're losing.

Starting point is 00:19:03 An extremely productive one at that, you know, with Aronado, more than likely gone. That's two right-handed bats as you're moving away in what was your starting line last year. So if you take them away from the right side, you're left with Mason Wend, Yvonne Herrera, and Jordan Walker with Pedro Pahas. Thomas and Jacey and Jose Fermine as the backup guys. You know, I feel like you got to go look at another right-handed bat somewhere, specifically in the outfield that we can because if Jordan Walker doesn't work out again, you're going to be a poop creek without a pal.

Starting point is 00:19:43 So could that person be acquired in a deal for Willie or Nato or Donovan or Gorman or near? Sure, sure, I suppose they could. But we'll have to wait and see. We'll have to wait and see it. We don't know yet what they're going to do. So let's take a look at the latest rumors involving the NL Central. I thought this was my wife is a Reds fan.

Starting point is 00:20:06 God bless her soul. And all they're talking about right now is this certain free agent. Do the Reds really have a shout at one of the biggest free agent bats that are available right now? A guy that hit over 50 home runs last year. We'll talk about it. and the Brewers coming up next on Lockdown Cardinals. Thanks for making Lockedon Cardinals. Your first listen every day for your second list.

Starting point is 00:20:36 You can find Locked on MLB podcast where there is no offseason. Sully keeps you up to date on the contract negotiations, rumors and everything you need to be the most informed MLB fan out there. Find Locked on MLB on YouTube or wherever you listen to podcasts, part of the Lockdown Podcast Network, your team every day. So we know the Cardinals are not likely to be big spinners in free agency. Sure. there's that percentage that, hey, we find the right fit, whatever.

Starting point is 00:21:02 I'm not expecting it. But the rest of the division outside of the Brewers have been rumored to be in on multiple big-time pre-agents. Obviously, you have the Cubs still entertaining whether or not they're going to bring back Kyle Tucker. The Pirates name has been thrown around, although I'll believe it when I see it. But their name has been like, hey, we want to spend a little bit of money this year. I don't know who they're going to talk to and, you know, get them to come to town to Pittsburgh. But we'll see. We'll see.

Starting point is 00:21:34 I mean, the struggle is real. Same way with the Cardinals, like trying to get a free agent to come to town in a not-so-winning situation. I don't know how that works. But the Reds and the Brewers are who I want to talk about here. The Reds stuck into the playoffs last year, as we know, got thumped by the Dodgers in the wild card. Got a solid young pitching staff. Some pretty big arms in there, some good arms, a lot of upside. Going to have to rework the bullpen a little bit.

Starting point is 00:22:04 But their sights, as far as offensively, are currently set on trying to bring Kyle Schwerber back to Ohio. For those of you who do not know, Kyle Schwerber grew up in Middletown, Ohio, which is about 35 miles north of Cincinnati. So the appeal of playing at home is clearly something that they're hoping will intrigue the soon-to-be-33-year-old power hitting left-hand. same way Cardinals fans are hoping that maybe Max Scherzer might have an interest in returning home to play with the Cardinals at some point. Reds fans are pleading that Kyle Schwarver please come home is what they're saying to team up with their young core that it's got some good

Starting point is 00:22:43 pieces. L.A. Dela Cruz, obviously. Noel de Marte. Sal Stewart was very good at the end of last year. Will Matt McLean come back and be the guy he was his rookie year? They got the, you know, Spencer Stier is there? Is it a fantasy? a reality, though, that Kyle Schwerber could end up in the NL Central again. The athletics Ken Rosenthal reports that Schwerber is interested in a possible homecoming and that the Reds are serious about siding him, although he brings up the financial stuff here and it makes me shake my head a little bit because according to Rosenthal, he brought up that Nick Krawl, who's the guy that runs things for the Reds, said that the team's 26 payroll would be

Starting point is 00:23:22 about the same as it was in 25. If that remains true, the Reds have about 20, million dollars to spend according to Rosenthal. All right. You don't think another team can beat 20 million for Kyle Schwerber? Unless they're going to do the new cool thing and do the deferred money and stuff, sure, maybe. I don't know. But I still find it hard to believe that the Phillies will let Schwerber get away. I mean, he's such a big part of their culture with Bryce Harper and Trey Turner. He fits so well there. Like he just makes sense there. And it's been reported that he is a priority to the the Phillies, but that no deal has been close between the two sides yet, according to Jeff Passon and ESPN. The Mets are in the mix. John Paul Morosi says the giants have checked in.

Starting point is 00:24:07 We've also seen the names of the Red Sox, the Orioles, and then there was the Pirates as well. Their names have popped up in the Kyle Schwerver discussion as well. I know as a Cardinal fan, I don't want to see Kyle Schwerber back in the division anytime soon. I don't want him on any of the team. So I certainly hope that he does not decide to go home. And I do not want to see him in a Reds or a Brewers or a Pirates or a Cubs uniform ever again. No, keep him out of here. So Phillies, can you just get this over with and bring them back already? Or go to the West Coast. But stay out of the Central Shore. I don't need to see you that much because even though I was looking up his stats against the Cardinals, I guess his career batting average against the Cardinals,

Starting point is 00:24:53 177, but he's got 14 home runs and 37 R.B. He always seemed to come up in a big situation and hammer the cardinals, especially when he was with a cup. So I don't want to see that anymore. And finally, the Brewers apparently might be open to trading their ace Freddie Peralta. That could happen too. Apparently, Rosenthal said he's attracting significant interest from teams looking to trade for the right handers so much that the brewers are now considering cracking the door open for trade discussions. The right hander is due to earn $8 million in 26, his final year under team control, making him a cost-effective alternative to the top starters on the free agent market.

Starting point is 00:25:32 He just saw what guys like Dolan Sees just made. Yeah, that's a lot of dope. We know the brewers aren't afraid to deal away guys before they hit the free agent market. You've seen them do it multiple times, Corvin Burns, Josh Hayter, Devin Williams. They do it because they're smart, so they're not left with nothing to show for them, knowing that they are not going to compete with negotiations to bring those guys back. They're not going to be able to beat these other teams. Or maybe they don't want to beat those other teams.

Starting point is 00:26:00 I mean, some of these guys have gone on to other places. I mean, has Corbyn Burns looked the same since he left Milwaukee? No, he hasn't been as good. Josh Hainter has found success with the Astros. Remember, he struggled when he was out there with the Padres right away. Devin Williams just struggled mightily with the New York Yankees. So the brewers have been able to cut ties with people at a very good time. They just have been able to find that right moment where they say, okay, bye-bye,

Starting point is 00:26:28 and reap the benefits by getting the prospects in return. So as far as what the brewers will look like without Peralta in their rotation, the brand of Widriff will be back. He signed that one-year deal. So he'll be back. How healthy is he? I don't know. A lot of injuries recently.

Starting point is 00:26:49 recently. Jacob Mizorowski, obviously, is in the mix to be one of their top guys, Quid Priester. It was an awesome pickup for them last year. Chad Patrick is back. I'm sure they've got other dudes waiting to get in there and be a part of that rotation. And they've been able to be really good at identifying guys to bring in that will be serviceable for them. So, you know, the brewers have been doing it right. The Cardinals want to be more like the Brewers right now and make smart decisions about guys like Wilson Contreras and Brendan Donovan, or should we try, should we be trading them now, you know, before the decline starts or before they become expensive?

Starting point is 00:27:25 And that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to figure it out and make smarter moves. Obviously, the brewer's rotation wouldn't be as empty as the Cardinals is right now after trading Sunny Gray. If they traded Freddie Peralta, they still got some pretty good ammunition in that rotation already. And maybe that frees them up to go look. at other people. So it'd be interesting to see if they move on from a Freddie Peralta.

Starting point is 00:27:50 But I'm kind of glad the Sunny Gray deal has gone down now so that, you know, we're not waiting around for people to start bidding on him instead. You know, you don't think the, the Red Sox would be like, oh, crap, we could have got Freddie Peralta instead of Sunny Gray. Shoot, we should have waited. I'm glad the Cardinals didn't. I'm glad Hyne Bloom's been aggressive. It was able to move him right away. It's probably not going to be as easy with the Nolan Aronado. We'll see what kind of market Wilson Contreras has. Obviously, Brendan Donovan seems to be a pretty good one. We'll see how it all shapes out. But winter meetings coming up in four days. So it's about to get, it's about to get real exciting up in here. Thanks for making

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