Locked On Cardinals - Daily Podcast On The St. Louis Cardinals - Was Nolan Arenado’s St. Louis Cardinals Career A Monumental LETDOWN?

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

St. Louis Cardinals hit the reset button, shipping future Hall of Famer Nolan Arenado to the Arizona Diamondbacks in a move that signals a dramatic rebuild. Did the Arenado era in St. Louis fall flat, or were there unseen bright spots in his five-year tenure? JD Hafron breaks down the trade for prospect Jack Martinez, analyzes the underwhelming return, and unpacks how the Birds on the Bat arrived at this crossroads after a string of disappointing seasons and costly roster missteps.Key topics include the Cardinals’ struggles in player development, questions surrounding Paul Goldschmidt and the team’s aging core, and the ripple effects on promising talent like Jordan Walker, Masyn Winn, and JJ Wetherholt. With financial flexibility opening up and new prospects ready to step in, is this the start of a brighter era—or a painful lesson in what could have been? Don’t miss this critical analysis of St. Louis’ next chapter.0:00 — Cardinals Trade Arenado13:02 — Arenado Era Recap23:17 — Verdict: Was It Failure?Follow & Subscribe on all Podcast platforms…🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-st-louis-cardinals/Locked On MLB League-Wide: Every Team, Prospects & More🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/leagues/mlb/Everydayer Club If you never miss an episode, it’s time to make it official. Join the Locked On Everydayer Club and get ad-free audio, access to our members-only Discord, and more — all built for our most loyal fans. Click here to learn more and join your team’s community: https://lockedonstlcardinals.supercast.com/Follow on Twitter/X: @JDSPORTSRADIOFollow the show on Twitter/X: @LO_CardinalsSupport Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!Rocket MoneyLet Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster. Join at http://RocketMoney.com/LOCKEDONFanDuelToday's episode is brought to you by FanDuel. Every Friday night, before the games tip off, FanDuel gives fans a new way to kick off the weekend with NBA Happy Hour. Check the FanDuel app and see what’s dropping during NBA Happy Hour — every Friday from 6 to 7:30 PM Eastern. FanDuel — the Official Sportsbook Partner of the NBA.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)#ForTheLou #stlcards #mlb #lockedoncardinals #stlouiscardinals Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The dismantling and rebelled of the St. Louis Cardinals took another huge step forward after trading away future Hall of Famer, Noon Arnado. What they got in return and was Arnado's time in St. Louis a failure on today's episode of Locked on Cardinals. You are Locked on Cardinals. Your daily St. Louis Cardinals podcast, part of the Loppedon Podcast Network, your team every day. Hey there, Cardinals fans. I'm J.D. Haffran, a former national radio sports anchor, born-a-raised in St. Louis and a lifetime Cardinals fan. Welcome to another episode of Locktown Cardinals. Part of the Lockdown Podcast Network now, the number one sports podcast network. Thank you to our everydayers for continuing to be here with us. For those of you who are new, welcome in.

Hope you enjoy the content. This is a show that serves Cardle Nation and gives you all the info about the birds on the bat. Today's episode brought to you by Fandul. The division round is here, and Fandul is officially in playoff mode. So visit Fandle, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL, and grab your profit boost pack every NFL playoff game day. So today's show, which is like the third show I've done, we are looking at the trade of Nolan Aronado to the Arizona Diamondbacks and how the five years that he was with the team in St. Louis, how is it going to be remembered in Cardinals history? So let's start with the trade aspect of this first. Per of the Cardinals, the team announced that they have a complete,

they've completed a trade with Arizona acquiring minor league right-hander Jack Martinez, right-handed pitcher Jack Martinez, in exchange for third baseman, Nolan Aranada. In a statement, president of baseball operation, Tyne Bloom said we are grateful for Nolan's five years as a Cardinal on and off the field, for his drive, his competitiveness, and for all of the memories he gave us. We wish Nolan and his family the very best as he continues with the next chapter of his great career.

As we continue to move forward, we are pleased to add another intriguing pitching prospect to our organization and excited. For the opportunity, this move creates for a number of our players to step up and further establish themselves at the big league level. So who is Jack Martinez, as you ask? Well, the statement continues saying that Martinez, who is 12, who is 22 years old was the Diamondbacks eighth round selection in the 2025 MLB draft out of Arizona State. 6-4-215 also pitched collegiately at Trinity University in Texas and the University of Louisiana at Lafayette was 6 and 4 with a 5.470 a and 15 starts for the Sun Devils in 2025, striking out 110 batters, over 77 and a third innings pitched.

He is a native of Corpus Christi, Texas. was a combined 20 and 8 with a 4.76 ERA and 75 career games. 28 of those were starts as a collegian. He will be making his professional debut in 26 with the Cardinals. Scouting report at Baseball America says he sits at 93.95 is a starter, touching 97 miles per hour, although multiple places have said that he has struggled throwing strikes with his fastball, has shown better feel for spotting a low 80 slider,

and his 78 to 82 mile per hour changeup. Also pointed out that he had an impressive 32.3% strikeout rate and a less impressive 9.7% walk rate. Martinez could be a back in starter in pro ball of his control improves, but he's more likely to profile as a pro reliever. Martinez did not rank in the Diamondbacks top 30 for 2026 and was not considered among the next 10 to 15 best pitching prospects in the organization. So this is kind of what we expect, to be honest with you. I know we say the name Nolan Arana. We think about all the great things that he has done in his career, both in a Rockies uniform and a Cardinals uniform.

And you would think that you would get a whole lot more for somebody with his resume. But not to be, didn't think it was going to happen, expected it to be like this, low level prospect in return. And the Cardinals were going to eat a ton of money. And that's exactly what happened. He does have upside for sure, but early expectations don't say, hey, Carlos has got their hands on a blue chip prospect, you know. We knew any players coming back for Nolan were going to beat, kind of like this, where they're kind of lottery tickets. And in this particular trade, it's one dude.

They only got one guy in return. doesn't mean Martinez can't thrive and be better than he was in college or outperform his eighth round draft status. Terrick Scoobal, arguably the best pitcher in baseball was taken in the ninth round in 2018. So it can't happen. He's got a nice fastball, obviously. The change up has been talked about a lot. It's a pretty good one.

So things to build on, things can happen. So we'll just have to wait and see 22 years old right now, developing, moving up through system quicker than a high school kid isn't out of the realm of possibilities. So we'll have to monitor this. But the main reason the steel is reality now is that this was all about moving on for both the organization and Arnado, turning the page, finding somewhere he wanted to go so that the Cardinals could turn their attention now to trading Brennan Donovan, which is probably next on the docket and building their infield for the immediate few years.

future. 15 months, 15 months, these straight talks have been going on. Everyone was done with it. I mean, aren't you sick of hearing about it and talking about it? I know I've been. I've been over this conversation for quite some time. But it is what it was for the longest period of time. I never thought Aronado was getting traded last year during the season. I've always said that I thought Nolan Aronado seemed like a guy that once the season starts, he's not screw. screwing around with that stuff and would revisit things in the offseason. But now everyone goes their separate ways. No feeling should be hurt on either side.

The Cardinals' pocket is quite a bit lighter after forking over $31 million of the $42 million left on the deal. I will always wonder what the Houston deal was and if it was better for the Cardinals right before the 2025 season started. but this is the reality of being saddled with an aging player who has a significant salary in a mid-sized market and is on a team that is going younger and rebuilding. Everybody knows that's what you're doing. So why would they help you get rid of somebody? From what the reports say, they are now eating 59 million in salary.

If you count, Aronado, who's getting 31 million, Sunny Gray, who's getting 20, Wilson Catreras, 8 million to go on. away. There are deferrals. The Colorado money is involved as well in all of this, but it's still a hefty portion of money. And when I pointed this out on X, I wasn't whining or complaining that they were doing it. I was just pointing it out like mathematically, that's what it equals to. $59 million. And they are saving money in the long run as well. And it's not like the DeWitts can't afford this, you know. But it just sucks to hear. because you think about what all that money could have done for this team.

Imagine if you had $59 million in funds to use on some people right now. What could you do? What would it be like if you would spend it differently before Heim got here? But this had to be done. It had to be done. Like I don't feel bad. Like I'm sad in a way where I like no one or not. I like him as a person.

I like who he was on the field. But I understood it. I get it. It's weird to pay guys like Sunny Gray, Aronado, and Wilson Contreras money to go away. But it's part of almost like the healing process of this organization right now, where they had to strip it down, get everything out of here, so they can start rebuilding again with new materials. You just knew you were going to have to take these financial lumps to move forward

with the long-term planning goals. And for those of you who are saying that, you know, this is what Heim Bloom does. He comes in and destroys everything. No, this is not Heim Bloom's fault. He's just taking the necessary steps to fix things. He's getting stuff done. I want to say a different S-H word,

but he's getting things done. This is the previous regime's fault for not developing a better farm system that could continue to churn out players to help surround. aging star players. Like that's where things got screwed up. It's not.

Heinbloom's just cleaning up the mess right now and trying to push them forward into a better spot. You know, there's a lot of things that went wrong. And I'm not saying I'm blaming John Moseiloc for everything, but a lot of things went wrong. None of their pitchers panned out the way they thought. Dylan Carlson was a complete bust. He was supposed to be the next star, right?

Didn't happen. They traded away Tyler O'Neill and Harrison Bader. Lars Neupar got to stick around. Hasn't worked out the way they thought it would. Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker have not produced the way they thought they would up to this point of their careers. I mean, it's been a mess for a few years now. There's been a lot of mistakes, a lot of bad trades, a lot of bad decision making. and that's how you get to this point. I mean, you can drive yourself insane thinking about the what-ifs, which I'll get to a little bit later. We're not going to ignore it.

And they will always follow a decision-making that didn't pan out the way people thought it would. That's the simple fact. None of this is to put blame on Nolan Aronado. Like he was a really good player for the first couple of years. It just didn't work out. But that's what we do, right? That's what we do.

So was the Aronado era of Cardinal baseball? Was it, was it the F word? Was it a failure? Was this time here a failure? We'll tackle that question coming up next on Locked on Cardinals. The division round is here in Fandall is officially in playoff mode. I hope you are too. Every game day during the NFL playoffs,

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Members only Discord access and more off for just five bucks a month or you can do the annual $50 a year. Go to locked on STL Cardinals. that supercast.com or check the link in the show notes to learn more. All right. So let's take a step back real quick. Excuse me. And let's look back at Nolan Aronado's time in St. Louis. You know, the reason he left Colorado in the first place was he wanted to compete for championships.

He saw that the Cardinals were a very stable organization. Thought he would like to be a part of that. Didn't think the people in charge in Colorado at the. the time. We're going to get the Rockies there. And so far, he's been absolutely right. They haven't come close to sniffing 500 since his departure. And when the Cardinals landed him, I mean, it felt like the world was our oyster, right? Somehow the Cardinals gave up a group of me type of prospects. Austin Gomber was like the biggest piece. And they got money from Colorado. To take Dolan Arnado in his contract, you would sign him for that deal every single time.

It was 30 years old when he came over. You knew that these final years, eventually he would slow down. I don't think we expected it to happen quite as quickly, but eventually he would slow down. You knew that. And the year before COVID, his last full year in Colorado, dude went crazy. 315, 41 dongs, 118 ribbies, won another gold glove. Ho-hum. And now the Cardinals are getting this guy?

Holy crap. As a fan, I thought that they were just going to rip through the National League for like the next five years while he was here, like a knife through warm butter. You get arguably the best third baseman in the game to join one of the best first baseman in the game and his friend in Paul Goldschman. Tommy Edmund doing his thing at second base. we all love Tommy. You got the speedsters in O'Neill and Bader out in the outfield. You had the up-and-coming Carlson at the time. That was going to be your trio of outfielders. You know, that first year he was in St. Louis, you end up with five gold glovers in your starting lineup.

And you still had the Addi behind the plate. Who did not win a gold glove then? That's what the Cardinals were working with. Pitching wise, Adam Wainwright, coming to the end of his career, but still very good. Carlos Martinez hadn't given up on him just yet. Jack Flaherty. He was like going to be the next ace of the staff. Those were your top three pitchers. Number one prospect, Alex Reyes had dealt with the arm injuries, but became your new closer, became an all-star that season.

You had that incredible 17-game winning streak in September to propel you to a 90 and 72 season, get you into the playoffs, but you lose in the wildcard game. when it was a one and done situation. Chris Taylor hits the walk off against Reyes. It's the last time we see Reyes in a Cardinal uniform. They fire Mike Schilt. They promote Ali Marmal to manager,

but you've still got this great core still together. And you bring back Albert Poolhole's in the offseason. All right. All right. Here we go. But despite huge seasons from both Paul Goldschmidt, who won the MVP in Aronado, who finished third.

It was Albert Pooholz's chase for 700 home runs that reinvigorated the team after going 11 and 13 in July. They end up going 22 and 7 in August, 43 and 25 in the second half. They make the playoffs. They're favored. They get home games. They end up trading young right-hander Johan Oviedo to the pirates for Jose Cantana. They also move Harrison Bader for Jordan Montgomery, which is not something that I think a lot of us saw on the radar. but it happened, but they needed help in their rotation.

Their pitching was in a bad spot. Both of these acquisitions proved to be very, very good. These were solid moves. They worked. Montgomery and Katana were great for the Cardinals after coming over. Playoffs arrive. They host the Phillies, and what happens? They have the lead going into the ninth,

and they blow the lead in game one. Get shut out in game two, close the book on Yadi Poo-Hulls-Wainwright. That chapter of Cardinals baseball, goes out with a whimper. And it was a very successful chapter, but not the way we envisioned it. Watching them walk off the field together in the regular season was sad,

but at the same time, you're like, oh, playoffs are coming up. One final run with these guys, right? Cardinals can do it. It's meant to be. No, it wasn't. It didn't happen. Wainwright would return in 2023 so he could reach 200 wins but, you know, he wasn't the same guy.

But the thought was, you still have Prime Nolan Aronado, MVP finalist, Paul Goldschmidt, who won the MVP, leading the way for this new chapter of Cardinal baseball. And offensively, they weren't that bad, but they certainly regress from what they were in 2022. The team ends up signing Wilson Contreras to take Yadi Spa, but quickly they realized that he is not. Yadiermalina behind the plate because nobody is. That causes all sorts of turmoil. Pitching wise, Stephen Matt's back, but he's hurt a bunch as usual. He makes just 17 starts.

Dakota Hudson never progresses the way they wanted him to. Jack Flaherty is back, but he's just average and ends up getting traded later on. Monty is really good, which was nice, but Wainwright was awful because he was injured. We will not slander Adam Wainwright. here. And then you get regression for Miles Michaelis after he signs the extension in spring training. They fall to 71 and 91. Their first losing season under John Loseilock. And the thought was after that, hey, maybe this is just a blip on the radar, right? A weird year. Things didn't work out. It was strange. Cardinals be back in 2024. Well, they were better. They were a lot better, but it was still a mediocre team.

He dealt with injuries to Wilson Contreras, who had the broken arm after J.D. Martinez, hit him with the bat. Tommy Edmund is out all season while with the Cardinals with that wrist injury that was worse than anticipated in the off season. They signed Sunny Gray in the off season, but they don't follow it up with any big-name starters to help the pitching staff. They bring in Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson, who did fine. but they needed more.

They finished 83 and 79 and missed playoffs again and two of the big reasons why 2024 didn't go any better was not because really the pitching staff was all that bad, but you had more regression from both Nolan Aronado

and Paul Goldschmidt who dropped to basically league average hitters in 2024. And you're paying both of them a ton of money. Top five players at their position type of money. and they give you average production back.

OPS Plus 102 and 100. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. We're in trouble now. And then Nolan Gorman and Jordan Walker, who had really nice seasons in 2023, they go backwards. Uh-oh.

They trade Tommy Edmund to get Eric Fetty. That didn't work. Miles Michaelis gets even worse. They've got no top-of-the-line pitching prospects coming up to take over for Lance Lynn and Kyle Gibson after their one-year deals are done. Now we're really screwed. We don't really have much of a farm system to help us out. We got the top prospects going in the wrong direction. We got our two stars going in the wrong direction.

Now we're really in trouble. 2025, the team realizes this. They realize that this chapter of Cardinal Baseball is DOA, dead on arrival. They move on from Goldie, which was smart. They try to trade Aronado, Sunny Wilson in the offseason. They don't want to leave. Nato vetoes the deal to Houston. And you're kind of stuck.

You can't rebuild. You can't tear down. You're just stuck in this purgatory for John Moseilocks last season in charge. We're not going up. going down. We're just floating along. It really was. 2025 was really a waste of a year. It was a waste of a year to get a chance to reboot this theme because the guys with no trade clauses wouldn't get the hell out of the way. And I'm sorry, they should have done what was best for the organization as well as themselves coming into the season, but they didn't want to. I don't know

if Moseilock didn't explain it to them very well. I don't know what happened. I don't know why they didn't want to go, but they didn't. Nato has a nice first half, but has injured most of the second half and the team, which actually, you know, it surprised people early on, if you remember, thanks to that 19 and 8 May, they end up limping to a 27 and 38 record in the second half and is once again forced to be sellers at the trade deadline. They move a lot of bullpen pieces. No playoffs again. So that wraps up the Nolan Aeronado era of Cardinal Baseball. So after hearing all of that, was this era of failure? The verdict is coming in next on Locked on Cardinals.

Thank you for making Locked on Carle's your first listen of the day. And thank you for making Locked on the number one sports podcast network. In Nolan Aronado's five seasons with the team, they went 415 and 395. 20 games over 500 in the regular season. That's good. They finish above 500, three times. They go to the playoffs twice, but where it really matters is right here.

O in three in the playoffs. Oh, and three in those games. Despite getting three really good seasons out of Nolan Ironado, out of the five, they never won squat in the playoffs. And therefore, if I had a gavel, I would hammer it right now. Therefore, the verdict is in. And in my opinion, this five-year Nolan Aronado time in St. Louis has to be deemed a failure.

Now, before you start screaming at me, I'm not saying Nolan Aronado was a failure because I'm not at all. This is not Nolan Aronado's fault. It sucks that he began to regress quicker than we thought he would. Okay? But that was the risk you took when you take on a 30-year-old player. He wasn't a failure. Nolan Arnado wasn't a failure. I think he was fantastic for this team.

I think it sucked this last year that he got hurt because I thought he was great. I thought he was doing exactly what I needed him to for this Cardinal baseball team. do I wish they were able to trade him in the off season earlier so they could get this show on the road as far as rebooting everything? Yeah. But he wasn't hurting this team. He was playing pretty well to the injuries. So I'm not blaming him. But this chapter of St. Louis Cardinal Baseball along with Paul Goldschmidt will ultimately go down as a failure because they didn't win anything.

Nothing. And I'm not counting division titles. I'm talking about real things. stuff that winning playoff games, moving up, getting to the NLCS, perhaps a world soon. They didn't get anywhere close to that stuff. Individual stats be damned. You've got to win in the postseason if you want to be successful. That's what it's all about.

It's not about who got MVP trophies, who got gold gloves. Those are great. Those things usually lead to success for the whole team. And in this case, it didn't. unfortunately it just didn't happen it didn't work out it will always be remembered as kind of the what if era for me and i know it's five years when we say era like i think that that's a longer time but you know the five years that he was here what if Alex Reyes hadn't gotten hurt and became the star pitcher that he was supposed to be what if they never fired mike shell

fans still are like, what the hell are we doing? Why? Why did this happen? They still think that that was, that's why the Cardinals are where they are because of Mike Schell. What if Jack Flaherty and Dylan Carlson stayed healthy and lived up to their potential? What if Ryan Helsley hadn't hurt his finger in a meaningless game in Pittsburgh right before the playoffs? You know, that 2022 team was flying at the end there. And all this momentum coming into that series against Philly.

And it all came to that screeching halt at Bush Stadium when Ryan Helsley fell apart in the ninth inning. And Ali didn't pull him in time. And the Phillies took advantage and stole the series. I will still remember texting with Connor Thomas from Locks on Phillies that day. And him going, yeah, Philips. are done. Like, congratulations on your win. I don't see them coming back and winning this series anyway. And then it happened. And then they get shut out in the next game. It was awful. What if they spit more on the pitching staff to go along with Sunny Gray in 2024 after

the nightmare that was 2023? What if they brought in one other arm to go along with the Kyle Gibson or Lance Lynn? What? if you never traded Tommy Edmund and settled for Eric friggin' fettie after he had one good half of baseball in his last four or five years of being a professional pitcher, which included time in Korea? What if they had paid closer attention to the farm system and fixed it before things got this far out of whack? Things that were so good just a few years ago got real bad, real quick. And now it's time Bloom, who's had to come in and take a wrecking ball to whatever was left of this crumbling tower of Mo. And as depressing as it is, it is the right

thing to do. And I know not all fans agree with it. They're like, why are we paying people to go someplace else? These are the good players. Why are we keeping them and bringing in more good players? this just needed to be done. They weren't winning with Aranaa, Willie, and Sunny anyways. They're not going to pay for a couple of players that they would need to upgrade enough to become contenders again. So they're going in a different direction. They're tearing it down. They're blowing it up.

And this just had to happen to move forward. They are saving money in the long run. I know people keep bringing that up. Well, yeah, you know, they're paying this right now, but how much of their, how much are they saving later? They are saving money in the long run. And they're opening up more importantly, at least to me, they're opening up lanes for other prospects to jump in and run with it. You know, I'm very excited about the future of the Cardinals. I think they're doing the right things and they're doing it the right way. This is the painful part. This is the painful

part having guys that you like and rooted for being ripped away from you. Brennan Donovan, if he gets traded, that's really going to hurt too. Because he does not cost that much money. He's not a burden on the payroll right now. But they're trying to take advantage of the fact that so many people want him. They're trying to maximize what the rest of this organization can be. If you can trade Donovan and get two really good prospects that become superstars for you, you might do that.

You might do that. But I'm very excited about the future. I can't wait to see J.J. Weatherholt every day with each one of these kind of deals. It brings him that much closer to the major leagues. I cannot wait. I want to see him. I want to see his attention to detail. I want to see how he turns other people into better players.

I've brought this up many times. Everywhere J.J. Weatherholt goes. They win. he rises the talent around him. He makes it better. He makes other players better everywhere. Go look. College.

They were really good because JJ Weatherholt was there. He goes to the minor leagues. It goes to Palm Beach. Boom. All of a sudden they're really good. Springfield this year. Boom. All of a sudden, they're really good.

When a title this year. Memphis he wasn't there all that long, but if he had been there all season, I have no doubts he would have made them a superior team. So I'm pumped about that. Whether he's at third or second base, although my dream is to have the devil play combo of winning weather hold up the middle.

I think that would be great. Gorman's going to get his crack at third base, whether you like it or not. Sejacy seems to be the right-handed guy to fill in against lefties at both of those spots. You've also got Jose Fermin. You've traded two of your big right-handed bats away in Williamado. Who's going to pick up the slack on the right side of the plate?

Walker, is this the year that he does it? I know a lot of people don't think so. Yvonne Herrera, awesome last year. Got to stay healthy. Can he do it again? Mason, when can he stay healthy? I had the knee issue last year. It was really, really good defensively, obviously, with the gold glove.

but can the offense take a step up? The only right-handed hitting outfielder on the 40 man right now is Walker and Joshua Baez, who's never even played a AAA yet. So that seems like a hole that could use a little attention, but maybe they're going to teach Cajir-Fermaine to be an outfielder. Maybe Herrera starts playing outfield more if the catching thing doesn't work out. still a lot of questions to be answered that's for sure but the hard the hard part is done because you got the big money you got it moved you had to eat a lot but it's what was best

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