Locked On Colts - Daily Podcast On The Indianapolis Colts - COLTS SQUAD SHOW: Chris Ballard gets DEFENSIVE | Indianapolis Colts QB plan and surprise cuts/keeps!

Episode Date: August 28, 2025

Chris Ballard defended the team's quarterback plan and stance on Anthony Richardson - the Squad reacts to his press conference. Also, the biggest surprise cuts and keeps from the Colts' first 53-man roster release, how the roster stacks up against the rest of the AFC, and our positional preview hits the running back room!Find and follow Colts Squad Show and Locked On Colts on your favorite podcast platforms: 🎧 https://lockedonpodcasts.com/podcasts/locked-on-colts/📺YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@LockedOnColtsFollow Jake and Zach's written work on HorseshoeHuddle.com, and give the squad a follow on X/Twitter @Schultz975, @JakeArthurNFL, @ZachHicks2, @allenpinkett, @LockedOnColts, and @ColtsOn_SI, as well on TikTok and Instagram!Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors!5-Hour ENERGYGo to 5hourenergy.com today and use promo code LOCKEDONGOLF to receive 20% off your order. This offer is only valid until September 30th on one order and cannot be used with other promotions. The code is not good on subscription orders.Yahoo FantasyPresented by YahooFantasy #YahooPartner. Play Now at https://yahoofantasy.com/lockedonnfl.GametimeDownload the Gametime app, create an account, and use code LOCKEDONNFL for $20 off your first purchase. Terms apply. Download Gametime today. What time is it? Gametime.FanDuelRight now, new customers can get $150 in BONUS BETS when your first $5 BET WINS! Download the app or head to FANDUEL.COM to get started.Monarch MoneyTake control of your finances with Monarch Money. Use code LOCKEDONNFL at monarchmoney.com/lockedonnfl for 50% off your first year.FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN)

Welcome to the Colts Squad Show. I'm your host Derek Shultz. And wait a minute, there are 51 other guys on this roster besides Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson. And I'm Zach Hicks. I'm part of the spin crew in the media that's here to victimize poor Chris Ballard. Hi, I'm Alan Pinkett. And is it a rep at 53? Are they going to bring in more people?

Colts Nation, rise up. It's the Colts Squad, sponsored by Game. time everything Indianapolis Colts every week covering all the big hits and game changing plays from the circle city the way only the locked on podcast network can it's time to squad up the colt squad joe starts now hope you're having a great week thanks so much for tuning us in to another edition of the colts squad show here on the locked on colts network i'm derrick shultz a bit of sports soccer in indianapolis for probably too long at least my wife thinks that i'm joined by Notre Dame legend and long time NFL running back, Alan Pinkett,

and you every dayers, of course, knows Zach Hicks. One half of our dynamic locked on Colts duo. Jake Arthur is out today. He is on assignment. He's not really on assignment. I just like saying that because it makes him sound more and privileged and all that. Guys, we got a ton to talk about today. Usually in the middle of the week, there's no game, right?

This week we're still waiting for the season to start. But Chris Ballard had his press conference today, his first public appearance since the quarterback decision. and a lot of the press conference had to do with the quarterback decision. So we're going to talk about and give our reaction to Chris Bauer's press conference from earlier today at West 56th Street. Of course, the Colts now have their 53-man roster, at least where it sits today. There could be some more changes coming. There's already been some more changes since the cut down day yesterday.

Most surprising cut and keep and why the Colts have signified that they are out of patience, certainly with the roster. That's how it looks. Also, how this roster stacks up in the AFC will leave. on Zach for his opinion there, but there was a recent publication that came out that had the Colts bottom barrel, bottom 10 in the NFL, bottom third, I guess I should say, in the NFL as far as roster strength is concerned. And our position group preview continues. We will hit the running backs. I think an intriguing room at the very least. And maybe we

have a little bit more certainty of what we're going to get there as opposed to some of the other positions on the field. But guys, you know, Chris Ballard and the press conference today and everything that he had to say, I know it drew a lot of reactions, particularly what he had to say about Anthony Richardson. And let's kind of start there because so much of it was about the quarterback decision and really so little that had to necessarily do with Daniel Jones, even though he did make an interesting player comparison that I want to talk about coming up here. But, Zach, he said what I think we expected him to say, right? We're not giving up on Anthony Richardson. We're not trading Anthony Richardson.

We didn't expect otherwise as far as that was concerned. I do think what was interesting is to hear him sort of hash out this plan of it being more beneficial now for him to be back on the sidelines again, which I think is a little bit of a curveball for a lot of people that have been watching the last two and a half years. Yeah, I had a friend tell me earlier today that it's like putting a toothpaste back in, back in, you know, after having it out. Like the thing is, if this were the plan from the very beginning, if from day one the plan was Richardson competing with a competent player like Daniel Jones and a player like Jones beats. him out and say, hey, Richardson's 21 years old. He's going to sit and learn. That's perfectly fine. Like, I don't think anybody would have complained if they did that with Gardner-Minchu, for instance, in 2023, or it didn't have to be Gardner-Michu. It could have been any other quarterback. They could have had in that situation. And if he lost that quarterback battle,

and we're talking about this back then, perfectly fine. But like the comparison was, you can't just restart this thing. You know, you do have a couple more years of control on Anthony Richardson, but your guy's backs are against the wall this year. You have to win this year to even keep your job. And also, like, you can say that it's about maturity for Richard and, like, growing up and not that he's immature, but like, this could be a good learning thing for him. But once you give someone something and then you just rip it out of their hand and take it away, regardless of it's earned or not earned, taking it away from him, that's very, very different than coming in from day one and saying, like, hey, you're going to sit and learn. this is hey we thought you were good enough at one point and now we don't think you're good enough and that that is a difficult thing to adjust to so I do agree with Chris Ballard where you know

this is a thing for Anthony Richardson to sit and learn and really develop behind the scenes but I don't think that you can just restart this thing with Indianapolis you know this isn't going to be a thing where you know in two years time after sitting like he's going to emerge as this quarterback for the Colts we don't ever really see that happen and Chris even had a question asked to him today, like, how many times can you look at other teams and say, like, you know, a quarterback bench twice with his own team can come back and start for that team? And he said, well, you know, even if it's never happened, then there's always that one. And why can't he be the one? We're talking about an extreme outlier then. Like, he was already an extreme outlier from everything

with his college to his NFL and from the accuracy concerns. And now you want to bank on him being the only one to do something in NFL history. Like, look, you can't come out and say it because because he's a guy on your team. You don't want to alienate a player on your team. And there is still this slim chance that somehow this works out because he is part of the roster. But let's be honest here. We're talking about the most extreme of extreme outliers of a guy coming back from being benched twice with his already outlier status. And we shouldn't be kidding ourselves this.

So yeah, I don't think anything that he was going to say about the quarterback situation was going to change anything today. I guess it was just like the way he said everything. was a little bit, a little bit abrasive and kind of what the more discussion point is here. Well, I'll say, I'll say this. Most GMs are not humble people. You know, they, and they find it hard to admit they made a mistake. So they have to spin it a certain way. And, you know, I wouldn't expect them to be humble because they got to make some really tough decisions.

So the spin is he's going to learn, you know, being on the bench and taking mental reps and hopefully he can progress that way when, you know, yes, Zach, you talked about him being benched twice. I mean, that's enough right there to let you know what's going to happen. But I think that they can't admit a mistake because it looks bad on Ballard if, well, they're not going to cut them. They couldn't cut them because that would be really a huge mistake on a part of management to waste a pick on a guy that you cut in year three. So they're going to keep riding that horse and hopefully see some improvement. And I mean, it's set up

nice because Daniel Jones just has a one-year contract. And in all likelihood, Anthony New Richardson has two remaining, and so he can sort of keep that, unless Daniel Jones just blows it out of the water this year and gets a, you know, an extension. But he's not going to admit it's a mistake. And maybe it's too early to say it's a mistake. You know, maybe sitting behind Daniel Jones will be the right medicine for him to. to understand, you know, the mistakes he made and the way he should play and how the offense should be run. But we won't know until he gets in again. Yeah, you know, by the time they're ready to admit that it's a mistake, they might all be out of jobs, right? Yeah. So I don't think

they're ever going to, you know, we have seen Chris Ballard fall on the sword before in press conferences and admit mistakes. He was not ready to fall on the sword today, Zach. Yeah. And one thing I really want to note with all this is, you know, a lot of people saying that like, again, maybe there's an avenue for this work. Maybe the sitting helps him. We can say that about every single player in the NFL. Maybe Jonathan Edwards, who's what, the 52nd, 53rd player on the roster right now, maybe he just becomes Dorel Revis. You know, like maybe that does happen. Like, I'm not trying to be a snarky punk right here. I promise, guys. But like, there's always a chance for everything in the NFL. There's a wide range of expectations and

possibilities for everything, but there's also a realistic range for this stuff. And realistically, a quarterback going into year three, getting benched twice with already his background that we have in the NFL, it's very unlikely that it's going to happen. We haven't seen it happen. If it does happen, it'll probably happen somewhere else. So sure, you always have to keep the door slightly open just for the chance that this thing can still work. But at the end of the day, I just don't think that this is going to work.

And I think the Colts know that too. like they're not banking on this thing working right now they're moving forward daniel jones hoping daniel jones can get them in a good situation to reevaluate again after the year and they're going to go from there so right yes there is a chance that this could certainly work and and i won't use jonathan edwards thing again because everything positive about jonathan edwards going forward um it's just it's a very unlikely thing and it's hard to like he kept saying like these first time and forever type things or first time ever things in this and like i don't want to live with a, you know, a decision maker banking on impossibles or near impossibles to happen

because that's not sound decision making, you know? Yeah, and, you know, Alan, the actions speak louder than words. And what the Colts actions have shown during this process don't line up with the words that they're ready to be patient and they're doing all this. You know, I think Chris Bauer made a comment, well, you guys saw Daniel Jones in camp, so you know, yeah, we all did see. you Daniel Jones in camp and we didn't think really anything of it you know we didn't think it was that great so what what are we missing here um and and just the the fact that this is year three

and he's still not ready to be your starter and this kind of journeyman and mediocre to middling veteran is the guy that you go with to me alan that that tells me all that i need to know the colts don't need to say it they've already shown me how they feel about where they are with Anthony Richardson right now? Well, number one, they never declared Anthony Richardson as a clear starter. They said it was going to be an even competition. They got what, the equal number of reps all the time. They had a plan going into preseason where AR was going to play the first game. And then the second game, Daniel Jones, was going to play that. But I think his fate was sealed when he missed at Wits against the Ravens. And I think the coaches at

that point. We're just, look, we've had enough with this. This is basic stuff. This is stuff you pick up in high school, you know, scat protection. Guys coming free, you should be looking at that dude and getting the ball out of your hands. So I think that they were just fed up with, you know, the mechanics thing and the poor decision making. And in year three, probably lost patience with the fact that these are things that should be secondhand to a, you know, a quarterback in their third year. So what are you going to do? What are you going to do is right?

I wanted to hop into the comments here because a lot of other people that maybe had the chance. I don't know how many people want us to declare that they were watching a 1 p.m. press conference today because maybe they were supposed to be working. But I snuck in, too, because I had to see it. Frank said I've never seen Bauer look so defensive. Secret Squirrel brings up a good point. You can tell Bauer is feeling the pressure, even if he doesn't want to admit it. minute the body language speaks phone. I did feel like, you know, Zach, you've seen a lot of these too. The body language did feel, you know, I don't want to get too psycho analysis here. He felt

less comfortable up there. He is always in control the room. I'll give Chris Bauer credit. He controls the room. And there's a reason why he endeared himself so much to the media and fans here early on because he can do that. He has that sort of power. And this one, it did, it did feel like He was pretty, he was ready to rumble, if you will, from the get-go of that. And I get some of it. He wants to give his actual starting quarterback, Daniel Jones, some credit. And he wants to also talk about the rest of this roster, which I promise we're going to do a little bit later on in the show.

But this was different from what I've seen really ever from him in, you know, eight and a half years of press conferences with Chris Bauer. Yeah. And I don't mind a GM having some bite to them. I mean, to go to what Alan says, like general manager should be arrogant. You're in a very tough job where you have to kind of lack empathy

in a lot of situations. You have to cut guys who have done nothing wrong but are just not the best option for your team. You have to bench a quarterback you took in the, I guess he didn't really directly do the benching, but you have to be coinciding with the head coach's decision to bench the quarterback you basically rested your job on, taking him in the top five.

So you have to lack that empathy. You have to be arrogant. You have to have some bite to you, and I totally get it. But to have this kind of fighting mentality when you're getting all these questions about quarterback, when what did you think the press conference was going to be about? Like, it's your first time talking since your guy you took fourth overall a couple years ago has been put on the bench for Daniel Jones, who, I mean, look,

if we're talking about how bad Richardson's been the last couple years, Jones is right there with him the last two years. And Jones is older, you know? So there were a lot of good questions about that, I thought, today. I thought Stephen Holder and James Boyd asked some really great questions. And what we really got out of Ballard was this like really combative mentality there. I thought the most valuable answer he gave though was when James asked, I think one of the best questions of the entire press conference saying like, why should we believe in your plan at this point when your plan has changed so much from we need to get him on the field and get him experience to now he's going to learn better sitting and watching? and Chris said, like, the only way that we can really get people to believe is by winning.

And ultimately, I completely agree there. That is the only thing that will change all of this. Win games this year. You know, he's in year nine. His teams have made the playoffs in two seasons of his nine years with the Colts. The only thing that changes any of this is win. Because if this were a highly decorated general manager with multiple playoff wins and a Super Bowl win or something, he could get up there and say anything.

And everybody would be at the floor, you know, all. hailing Chris Ballard, but because there has been losing, because he keeps getting chance after chance to rectify this, you know, my analogy before the podcast started here was like, look, I don't need to be a plumber to tell you that my sink is leaking. And if my sink has been leaking for nine years when you've been working on it, then maybe I should get a new plumber in here. You know, I want the guy who can actually fix this thing. So at the end of the day, like, winning will cure this. And Alan has said it a couple times on here. Winning Cures all. And that's the most poignant thing that Chris Ballard said today is like the only way I can get

people to believe is we win this year and they got to win this year. Well, I think there's a very subtle animosity when it comes to general managers and the media. And general managers do not like being questioned, you know, when they make a decision. And so when he made this decision, what, over a week ago, he, I'm sure he felt like it's final. I've made my decision. We've stated in our case. So to be questioned by it now, I'm sure just took them back a little bit because I already made my decision. Why are you guys, you know, going over something that happened a week ago? But, you know, a lot of people, it's a good question as. I think the questions were good because it's sometimes not believable that you would draft a guy number four

and throw them out to the wolves, then all of a sudden change course and say, well, we want them to sit behind a more experienced player and let them learn that way. So it's, I'm sure that a lot of the members of the media are baffled by that because who else does that? Yeah. And, you know, the fact about sitting, well, God, guys, he sat basically his entire rookie year and he sat for a chunk of last year. I mean, how much sitting does this guy need? A lot of his college career too, he sat. Yeah. Started one year in college. How much speed, you know, we had somebody say in the comments, well, why not approach this? Like, this is his rookie year and two years.

Like, guys, the NFL doesn't work that way. No, you know, it doesn't work that way. You have to show something here soon. And what we've been saying on this show is we're not necessarily writing off Anthony Richardson's future. Maybe he is Alex Smith and he goes somewhere else and he plays or Gino Smith or any of these other, you know, Baker, any of these other guys that have had new life, but they all had new life with different teams.

And that's where it feels like is the most likely outcome for Anthony Richardson, and with where we sit today. But when we come back, we'll talk about the other 51 guys on this roster. In fact, we'll talk about 54, 55, 55, 5, 6, 57. We'll talk about some of the surprising cuts and keeps and tell you why the Colts personnel decisions reveal everything about how the front office

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the room and he'd sort of give one here. And maybe I shouldn't be surprised because I know he's not a scheme fit, Zach. And again, he battled health issues this offseason. And I'm just disappointed. I really root for the indie guys. And it's so rare that the Colts have an indie guy on the roster in Juju Brent's, you know, Warren kid, East Side Kid, really nice, well put together guy, sharp guy, easy to like, fun to talk to. Not that that matters when you're a professional football player. You got to be out there. You got to be healthy and you got to be able to perform. But he has a lot of the attributes and measurables that you would like, I feel like in a defensive back. So I hope he's healthy and successful elsewhere. But unfortunately, that's not going to be here.

Yeah, the Ju-Ju Brent story is kind of unfortunate, and to kind of go what Alan said in the first segment, like, GMs are arrogant, you know, and they don't like cutting guys that they just took two years ago. I mean, he was drafted two years ago from the day. This would have been his third year. And because of all the injuries, because of the scheme change on defense, he just kind of became the odd man out. Like, I really thought coming into this offseason that he needed to have a great camp to make a case to Lou Anna Rumo, Chris Hewitt, and Jerome Henderson, to, hey, keep me a right. I can still be this guy for you. And then when he went down with that hamstring injury and he missed over a month of play, the writing was certainly on the wall that a change could come.

I didn't think they're ultimately going to do it because Justin Wally got hurt and they just needed bodies at corner. But Jonathan Edwards playing well and then going out and trading from Mackay Blackman kind of changed the numbers game at corner. And it led to Juju Brinz being a guy that was waived. So it's very unfortunate that it didn't work out here. He only appeared in 11 of 34 possible games through two. seasons. And kind of like what we've been saying about Anthony Richardson here, it's like,

look, the NFL stands for not for long. If you're not producing, if you're not showing something and the coaching is just not in your corner anymore, you only get so long. And I think with Gus Bradley and his entire defense of system just out the window and now Lou Ann Arummo and his new guys coming in, they didn't have any ties to Juju Brent's. So ultimately, when it came down to Anna Rumo going into Chris Ballard's office, it was like, look, this guy just hasn't played this off season, and we can go get Xavier and Howard, who is a Pro Bowl corner for me. We can go trade for this guy from the Vikings, so I have some high hopes on. Jonathan Edwards has been my first team corner for most of camp, and I think he's got something,

and those were the guys that won out at the end. So, you know, I don't fault the Colts for cutting him. It is a surprise, though, because, again, they took him with what, like a top 40 pick, top 45 pick in that draft, but you got to stay healthy in this league. You've got to get lucky and get on the field and make some plays. And if you have a scheme change like that on defense, that could be the end of the road for anyone because they, those coaches don't have any ties to you. Agree with you there. You know, coaches in management are always looking for a return on their investment.

And I'll also say this. We used to say it when I play, can't make the club in the tub. If you injured too much, they just, they look at you differently. They view you differently. And I think you hit the nail on the head. New DC, new system, no ties to this guy. You know, I don't know if he can run my system or not. I'd rather go out and get somebody off the street who knows my system.

You know, so it can be mean that way in terms of you think that you're not necessarily entitled to try and prove your worth. but you only have a few opportunities and if you're hurt most of the time then you're going to have that moniker it's like wearing the scarlet letter that person's always hurt i can't count on him so they're going to find somebody else and that's why the NFL stands for not for long surprising keep wise uh i was originally surprised they kept both tim smith and eric johnson because it was 11 defensive linemen which felt like a lot but you felt like one of those guys was 53, right? Maybe it was 53 and 54 right there.

And then, of course, that ended up happening when they dumped Tim Smith for Chad Muma off of waivers, the linebacker from Jacksonville. But I'm surprised, Zach, that they decided to choose Johnson over Smith. You know, generally speaking, you take the young guy, the draft pick, right? But I think it shows, you know, cutting Juju Brent's and leaning towards vets. They're bringing in a bunch of guys with experience at corner and, you know, even Isaiah a land. You know, they're not, they're just not waiting around right now. Like, like, you can tell with this coaching staff and with the personnel moves of this front office that I think they understand

what's at stake for them this season. Yeah, I will say if anyone didn't think that the pressure was on this year when it came to starting Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson, I think all their moves since then have kind of said that they feel the need to win like right now. I mean, we are making moves that help us winning now. And I'm not going to say sacrifice in the future for it because look i i love juju brens's potential but ultimately there was a reason why he was cut you know it made sense uh but when when it comes to some of the movies they made like tim smith ideally you would rather keep tim smith over eric johnson but i will say eric johnson had a better off season than tim smith it's just it was close enough

to where typically you go with the younger player the cheaper player the thing that all and i was talked about the non-vested bet there so you don't have to give him benefits and all that but they want to win now so they're getting an eric johnson back on the roster. They're working out Anthony Walker, working out Mike Hilton. They have Xavier and Howard coming back in, you know, like they are not messing around. And this is the oldest roster that Chris Ballers ever had in Indianapolis. I saw right after the first cuts, their average age was 26. And I think that's the old, it's the only time they've been above the age of 26, average down the roster. And that's without potentially signing Walker, Hilton, or other players. And I think they

technically got older by cutting Tim Smith for Chad Muma. So it might be like 26.3 now. so yeah they are making some of those win now moves and one guy that I again I want to shout this guy out because I talked about in the first segment for a second but it is shocking with all that though that Jonathan Edwards is still in the team right like Jonathan Edwards undrafted free agent out of two lane it just shows how good of an offseason he had and I watched his last game against the Bengals and I was really impressed and just really happy I love undrafted stories it's like my favorite part of covering the NFL so seeing a guy like that come in here after being an Indiana State guy.

He went to Indiana State for four years, goes up to Tulane, plays one year at corner at Tulane, comes to the NFL, and now he's good enough to crack a 53. That's all for a win now team. Again, they're bringing in all these guys, the over the hill gang right now to play for the team. And this 23-year-old corner that started at Indiana State

is good enough to make that. Like, I think that shows that it really proves like, we didn't care about your background. We didn't care about anything to just come in here and perform and you're going to stick because we need to win games right now. And they're saying to everyone, like, look, this guy performed well enough to make the team. Well, I think that with veterans, you have a certain expectation with them. They know the rigors of an NFL season.

They understand that one mistake and they can be gone, where when you have a rookie, you're willing to tolerate some mistakes because it's all new to them. In fact, rookies hit a wall at some point because in college, they've only played, what, 11, 12 games? Well, in the NFL, you still got five more games. You still got another month to play. Yeah, but rookies will hit that wall sometimes. So when you have experience and you have vets, you have people that understand what the pro game is

and they know how to take care of their body or should know how to take care of their body to make sure they are able to play all 17 games. And mentally, mentally, vets understand. not just the business of pro football, but the mindset you have to have, where with a rookie, it's still all new. They're going into new stadiums. They may be all excited about looking up in the stands and seeing the stadium and thinking about, you know, the fact that, wow, you just see the stadium on TV now I'm playing at it. I bet they've already seen the stadium. They got a job to

do on the field. So, yes, it does look like this. turn towards more veterans is a we need to win now move. Ellen, you mentioned that difference between the rookies and vets. And look, I'm not trying to downplay any of the guys that were UDFAs or whatever else that are 23 years old. They got cut. It sucks, right? You're fighting for a job.

Even if you know it's coming, it sucks. But I especially feel for, you know, Chris Bauer made a point of it to call out Laquan Treadwell and talk about how much he like LeCron, you know, and this is a guy's been in league 10 years, former first round pick, but ever since he washed out with Minnesota, he's been on, like, what, eight teams, I think. And he's, he just, you know, he keeps going. He keeps fighting and fighting and just trying to find that role. I know you went through it as well, getting cut. What is that experience like, particularly for a veteran player, when you, when you've already somewhat been there, done that, and then you realize, oh, wait, they don't want me anymore.

Well, I did eight training camps, made the roster seven times, got cut on the eighth one. But that's the one that stands out the most. In fact, sometimes I think I've been in a state of depression since 1993 because there is nothing that has been more consuming or more fulfilling than playing that game of football and running a rock and being in a huddle with the those guys. And football is just such a game of routine. You know, what you do on Tuesday, what you do on Thursday. It's such a routine. And you get used to doing that. You don't think about it. You just do it. Then all of a sudden, it just stops. You know, it's over with now. You know, but I'm not saying feel sorry for those guys that got cut because if they play in college, they already beat the odds, all right?

Yeah, so, and I also look at the fact that this is the elite of the elite. I looked it up. It used to be like 500 guys would go to the combine, all right? But this year, I think it was 329 guys were invited to the combine. Out of that, 257 guys got drafted. And out of that number, a quarter of those will make a roster. So you've got a less than 1% chance to make it on an NFL roster. So like I said, don't feel sorry for them.

Those guys should feel proud that they at least got the opportunity to go inside the post locker room and wear the jersey for a little bit. But on the other hand, you can't really give it up yet either because one thing that happens in the NFL is dudes get hurt. And I remember after I got cut, like two weeks later, Miami called, and I had to go down to Miami and try out for them. It didn't work out. And then in December, I got called to Pittsburgh because they had some issues with the running back. He didn't know if he wanted to play or not. He ended up wanting to play.

So you have to stay in shape and unfortunately hope that somebody gets hurt so that you can. get a job to continue to play the game that you love. But at some point, you have to figure out that I can't do this anymore. You know, when I was with the Oilers, we had guys for two or three years in a row. They were perennial camp guys. And I'm like, dude, don't you know they're just using you so they can have an extra body? You know, you're going to get cut. You're just going to spend a month and a half here and get cut.

At some point, you've got to realize that, okay, the game has passed you by. And I remember when it passed me by, there was one day when, you know, I used to go weightlift and then I'd go hit some golf balls. And there was this one day when I only had time to do one, I went and hit golf balls. And that was my, that was my signal to myself, okay, I'm done playing. I'm done. You know, so it's, it sucks getting cut, you know, because you have dreams of, of playing the NFL. and because you're cut now doesn't mean that that dream is over. You know,

you still have to keep pressing on and hoping that you get on. But in all likelihood, because it's a numbers game, very, very few people playing NFL might have to start looking for something else to do. Yeah, yeah, but you always got to, you know, wait, you never know when that call is going to come. Kenny Moore with the Patriots, they really liked him. He had a good offseason.

There was no room at the end. and then, you know, their loss was another team's gain. I think the most, probably the most famous, like, UDFA type story. I think Jeff Saturday was working in, like, a hardware store after getting cut by the Ravens and the Colts called one day, and they're like, hey, you want to come in and try, and, you know, that guy was a borderline Hall of Fame player, a ring of honor guy for the Colts as well. So the guys today, the guys yesterday getting let go for a lot of them, and it's over, right? But not for everybody, and that's kind of the beauty of the NFL.

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Network to watch the game afterwards and hear the reaction afterwards I should say just to kind of tie a bow before we get into the actual roster itself um Zach are you expecting you know they brought in Muma today at linebacker, but it sounded like you were kind of eh on him as far as at least being a guy that was anything more than a special teamer. But are we going to see more roster moves at linebacker? Maybe that offensive line depth doesn't feel like it's complete to me, but anywhere else that sticks out to you on this roster?

Yeah, I think we'll see some more veterans get cycled in here. Again, the beauty with the practice squad now post-COVID. Probably the best thing to come out of COVID was the fact that they expanded practice squads to have veterans on there now. teams can put players like Chris Lamont, for instance, on that practice squad where, look, this guy's good enough to be on an NFL roster, but because he has a familiarity with the Colts, he doesn't want to go elsewhere unless he's getting like a guaranteed spot on the roster. So maybe the official 53 won't have any additions, but we could see players like

Mike Hilton, Anthony Walker, guys that they're working out these next couple of days, be added to that practice squad. They could be called up the first three weeks without like losing their practice squad eligibility and then once injuries pile up like they always do in that first month and they can get called up to the roster and earn that roster spot there. So I think we'll see some changes here. Linebacker for sure. I mean, Chris Ballard even said that they're still working through some things with linebacker. So I'm assuming that was a hint at the Anthony Walker workout coming up tomorrow. And I think offensive line is another category as well where they're really looking at that last tackle spot. And maybe they viewed McInsolves as a potential guy they kick out

to tackle in a pinch and put Dalton Tucker back at right guard. So maybe that's why they don't value that fourth tackle as big right now. They're certainly working through some things, though. And I certainly think that there will be quite a few more turnovers happening with the practice squad and even the bottom of this roster in the next couple of days. Well, you know, when you look at a 53-man roster and then go position by position, there's a certain number of people you want to have in that position. And four linebacks to me always seem kind of slim, you know, because you look at how they play.

They're banging heads every single play. There's going to be injuries at the linebacker position. To only have four didn't make sense to me. And so I thought they were a little top heavy on the defensive line, but you got ahead of dudes up front. You know, so to me it was more balancing out the roster. you don't want to have on your special teams all defensive backs and a couple of running backs. You need some studs, and linebackers are usually the ones that bring the wood on the special teams. So I thought that it was more bringing the numbers in balance, you know, bringing in an additional linebacker.

And I don't think they're done yet. And even though their defense is one where they've got to Mike and the will on the field most of the time, it's still not enough to have four. And so like I said, I think it was just bringing the numbers more to a level that's going to be acceptable to play an NFL schedule. Yeah, and I think you'd be more apt to get away with four if you had four starter quality linebackers,

and they don't. And I think that adds to the problem. It's not just the fact that it's bodies. It's the fact that, you know, Kim McGrow, you know, no offense to those guys, I mean, they're okay, but I don't want to be relying on, on those guys to be playing extensive playing time. And I think that's a little bit of a red flag too

when it comes to the linebacker spot. But overall, when you look at this roster, a recent ESPN.com article had the Colts as the 25th best roster in the league, 13th in the AFC, which I'm going to sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth here. That seems overly harsh to me, even though I do think that we in the past

have overrated this roster because many of its best players are still stacked at positions that just aren't as impactful. You know, if you look at the Chris Bowerd era, the best players have been an offensive guard and a running back and a slot corner and no offense, those are all great players, but they aren't a wide receiver and edge and a quarterback. You know, you'd rather have your talent stack or corner. You know, you would rather have your talent stacked at those positions. I understand you have to take points away because of the quarterback situation alone, right?

So that automatically probably knocks them four or five spots. But, you know, Zach, I think you follow us probably even more than I do. When you look at this roster and then you look kind of around the NFL, where do you think that it slots in with what we know today? Yeah, I think the ESPN ranking, was this a recent ranking or was this like a month ago, this one? This was right before training camp started. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So I know exactly. Yeah. I know exactly what we were talking about. And I remember when that came out. and basically that ranking was essentially we're going to rank the quarterbacks of the league but we're not going to which I think it's fair it's fair right because look who goes to the championship

games every year the hatma homes Josh Allen's the Joe Burroughs the Lamar Jackson's the Jalen Hertz the Jaden Daniels last year so I get it right like the quarterback is such a massive part of this but I think you could have maybe worded it better as an ESPN article than just putting it as like oh the best teams with maybe like slight changes here but it's typically going to be the quarterbacks, you know? And that was kind of how I interpreted that. I think a more interesting article would have been ranking the rosters aside from quarterback just to really get the value of strength on the roster.

Because I think when it comes to the Colts, I'd probably put them like middle of the road, maybe a little bit above middle of the road, like 13th, 12, 13th, 14th in the NFL in terms of roster construction. I do like the roster a lot, especially if you look at the starters on both sides of the ball. I mean, you look on offense, you have a former first team all pro running back, you have an offensive line that features a future Hall of Famer plus a top five paid left tackle that's playing really good football, some other good offensive linemen out there as well.

At wide receiver, you got a guy who's hit a thousand yards consistently and Michael Pittman Jr. Josh Downs has been very productive for a young player. Alec Pierce, one of the best deep threats in football. You add a top 15 pick and Tyler Warren into that group. That's a pretty solid offense to put around any quarterback. And then on defense, I mean, look, you have former all pros on all levels of the defense. You have DeForce Buckner, Zaire Franklin, and Charverius Ward, and then you're mixing in Cambina, mixing in Grover-Stewart, Lyotu-Latu going into his second year.

So I'm not saying this is like an elite Super Bowl caliber roster, but I think it's a pretty darn good roster. I think it fits a lot of what the Colts are going for with their systems on offense and defense. And I think it's one that can certainly compete, you know, and I think it's one that has a pretty decent, like we saw last year with this Colts team that they ran an archaic defensive system

that was not suited for the current NFL. They were 29th in yards allowed on defense. On offense, you were getting bottom five quarterback play, and they went eight and nine. You know, like this is a roster that is competitive roster, a roster that's been competitive for years. And aside from that 2022 disaster, we haven't really seen many awful seasons from this Colts team.

So saying that this is like the 25th best team where the Colts are going to be a four-win team this year, like outside of just, just massive injuries to the trenches, which can certainly happen. I don't see this team like bottoming out this year. I think it's more likely they'll be in the playoff conversation until the final month of the season. And then we'll see if they finish stronger than what they have in the last couple

years. But I think they'll be right around that 500 mark until December. And it'll be on them just to finish and play strong in December to make that push for the playoffs. Well, Zach, what I did when I saw that ranking was thought to myself, Yeah, but they were eight and nine, and they had some issues, you know. So they've upgraded a tight end, all right? They've got a solid play out of the running back.

They've got a very, very good receiver room, and they're going to have maybe more stability at quarterback. And so I think the ranking was clearly a reflection on their perception of what the quarterback is going to add or not add. to the offense. You know, you spoke enough about the defense. I think you made your case on the defense. But is this offense better than last year?

And if you have someone that can run the system, then they should be better. So I think as a player, they get a chance to see these rankings, too. They watch ESPN. So that's an opportunity for them to internalize that in the locker room. them. That's even one of those things. You hang it up on your locker saying, yeah, they're saying we're number 25. Wait till we kick this other team's ass. Then what are they going to rank us? You know, so it's, you use that as motivation. And in the NFL, you really can't sneak up on anybody. It's week in, week out, you either beat them or you get beat. So, yeah, if they can,

with this upgraded talent on offense, just do it better than they did last year. They make the playoffs. I also look at, you know, their stability at the other teams in the division because the thing you have to do first is create a team that's going to win a division, the easiest way to get in the playoffs.

You know, stability in Jacksonville, stability in Houston. And even though he's a rookie, he's the first pick, stability in Tennessee. you know where when that poll was made there was not stability a lot of questions about anthony richards and a lot of people still doubting daniel jones so uh i can understand how some prognosticators would you know drop them down all based on quarterback play yeah that's a good point out and the fact that you know maybe we shouldn't be worried as much about how it stacks up

against Kansas City, Baltimore, and Buffalo, we should probably be more worried about how it stacks up against Houston, Jacksonville, and Tennessee, because really that's the first step. That's the first bridge you got to cross, right? And that's a bridge that the Colts really haven't crossed in the Chris Boward era very much. I do think, and what gives me confidence, I guess, guys, is that, you know, kind of to echo what you said, definitively, this is a better roster than last year, right? So, you know, and I'm talking just, you know, now you get year two of 80 Mitchell and year two of Laetu, Latu. And, you know, not just the new additions or the movers and changers.

And also, I think, you know, gun to my head, there's probably not a huge difference here. I would take Daniel Jones over Joe Flacco at this point in his career as well. So I'm also kind of adding that into my evaluation of them overall, Zach. Yeah, no, I mean, just be real quick here. Last year at Corner, they were starting an undrafted free agent on the outside coming off an Achilles tear in Dallas Flowers. And I'm not trying to throw hated Dallas Flowers because I always bring this up. And I feel like I'm hating on Dallas Flowers, but you're going from post-Achilles-Tare Dallas Flowers

to Charvarius Ward on the outside of corner. Like, that's such a massive upgrade. You're going from Julian Blackman to Canbine him. That's a really big upgrade at safety. Like, they may change. You're going from Moe Allie Cox at Titan, Tyler Warren. You know, like, and everyone else is coming back. Like, so you didn't really lose anything.

Oh, and you're going from Gus Bradley to Lou Aniruma, who I think is going to be a really big upgrade as well. So, yeah, I mean, look, the NFL, you can't. can't always just do that comparison from year to year because things happen in year to year to injuries to bad bounces that go that way. So you can ever just assume that growth is coming. But I think on paper, which is what we're doing with this exercise, I think this team got a lot better going into this year. When we come back on the show, we're going to begin to wrap up our preseason positional group previews with one of the seemingly more stable positions on the team.

That's next. Back for a final time here on the Colts squad show, Locked on Colts Network. Thanks so much for tuning us in alongside Alan Pinkett, former NFLer in Notre Dame Legend, and Zach Hicks of the Locked on Colts podcast. I'm Derek Schultz. Guys, you know what, out of, this is what,

7, 8, 9, 10, I don't know how many Colts squad. We've done a full month of Colts Squad shows, so we made it a month, right? I feel like the position that we have spent the absolute least time on is running back. And maybe that's a good thing because you feel like, hey, it's Jonathan Taylor. It's, you know, Tower Goodson's been in the program for the last couple of years. People really like Giddens, the draft pick out of Kansas State as well.

So, you know, maybe it's a good thing that we haven't spent a lot of time on the running back room. But overall, I mean, Alan, you're the running back. You're the expert when it comes to this. We'll start with you. What do you think about this group? I like the group. I think it's a very solid group. And, you know, starting with Jonathan Taylor, you know, I was, before I got the gig,

I knew Jonathan Taylor was one of the studs running to football, 1,400 yards. And, you know, that's an accomplishment. But then, you know, dug a little bit deeper. He did that in 14 games, you know, so, I mean, he's a stud. And when you look at him, you know, sometimes you can look at a running. back and know, oh, yeah, he can tote that rock, you know, for all 17 games. He's just built in a way because you look at the running back position, a full-time running back, longevity-wise, it's about six years, you know, and if you're going to run the ball

that much, you've got about six years. Well, he still looks fresh in this year five, you know, so who knows how long it can go. And then I think all three running backs, you know, come from competent running schools, you know, Iowa for for Tyler Goodson and then DJ Giddens coming from Kansas State. Those are schools that major in running the football. And what's nice is you've got guys in the backfield that are used to be in that bell cow that are used to running the football, used to be in the man. You know, I had that situation in Houston, had Mike Roseir, who was the Heisman Trophy winner, had Alonzo Hossmith, who he came in after me, but he was a big old fullback who ran like a tailback, had Lorenzo White, you know, who was a finalist for the Heisman and me. And all of us were used to running the ball 20, 30 times a game, and we couldn't do it in the NFL.

The one thing I'll say is we all had to, we had a great relationship, all the guys, I know I'm diverting a little bit, but all those guys used to come over to my house because I was the only married guy and we'd eat dinner every Thursday, you know, and we would have a competition, friendly competition, that it wasn't a amount of yards, but whoever had the longest run, we put like $20 in the pot and, you know, whoever had the longest run in the game would collect the money. And that's back when $20, I'm sure they put a C-note in the pile now. But I used to always win that best, you know, because I would benefit from Alonzo and Mike Rozier just beating up the other defense. Then I was the fastest, so I came in and ran by all of them. But sorry to stray off, but it looks to me like it's excellent depth. You've got the style of runner guys that can. be battering rams, but then have the ability to break tackles, to have some speed, breakaway speed, you know, you're getting a full package in all these three running backs. And you know

that Jonathan Taylor is going to get the bulk of the carries. So it's incumbent upon the other running backs to take mental reps and know that when they get their opportunity, you know, you got to make the most of it. I used to always think that for a running back to get acclimated into a game, need about 10 carries. You know, you're going to miss a read on a couple of them. You're going to get the piss knocked out of you on a couple of them. And finally, by that 10th, that 10th carry, it's like, okay, I've got the speed of the defense now.

Okay, I see what the offensive line is doing, and I can mess my speed with their speed. but when you're a backup, you've got to mess on carry one. So it's tougher on the backups, but, you know, that is what it is. And that's, I think, how I was able to have success. I would go through and take the mental reps and also do visualization. So when a guy flashed in front of me, I've already seen it, you know, in my visualization, and I already did the mental rep to know that, okay, I'm just going to step on the side this way. You know, so it's a good room.

I wish for two things that they could have one more. Three didn't seem like enough. They could have one more. And I wish they had a fullback. I'm even more impressed with Jonathan Taylor getting 1,400 yards with no fullback. Yeah. I miss the days of fullback. too, Alan. They were my favorite part of football, just seeing what fullbacks do out there.

But Shane Stike in this offense, they love to spread it out. They love to be in the shotgun for 98% of the snaps throughout the season outside of QB sneaks and kneel downs. So, unfortunately, no place for fullback outside the couple Tyler Warren snaps will see at fullback this year, which would be really fun to see. But looking at this running back room, I do like it from top to bottom. Jonathan Taylor is your bell cow, your guy that I really want to talk about him in detail here in a second.

but DJ Giddens, a really good change of pace back. I think, you know, you get those young legs in there, a really nice jump cut that he has there. And I think he showed a lot in the preseason with his pass blocking and with his receiving. So I think that that could be a good thing for him in this upcoming season. And Tyler Goodson, just the consummate professional says the right things, does the right things, does the special teams, does the, you know, average over five yards of carry as a runner in his career as well.

You know, we're not talking enough about that because he had that gap a couple years ago. but yeah, I think he's going to be a really good player for them when he gets back from his injury. But one thing I really want to talk about with Jonathan Taylor is he's a player like me that keeps aging like a fine wine, even as the injuries pile up. And he's just very different, though, from the running back he was when he came out. You know, he was this 215, 220 pound four three runner who if you gave him a little bit of space, he was gone. He was this insanely explosive player. And like Alan said, running backs have a shelf life of like six years. And with him now being in year five,

dealing with some injuries the last couple years, he's not really that same guy. You know, like he can still turn on the burners when he has to, but it's not like what we saw in his first two or three years with the Colts. But now what we have at this player is this hyperproductive guy who, like I think this is the most important aspect of playing running back, is blocking the unblocked defender, using your patience and using your vision to run defenders who are not blocked

into mesh points, running them into traffic so you can have more space as a runner because that's the most important, but you could have the most perfect run call, but at the end of the day, you're not going to have 11 blockers for the 11 players on defense. You need to take accountability as a running back for that extra player, for extra two players because your quarterback's not getting in front of you to throw a block. You know, so you have to take accountability for those extra two players, and what you do as a running back is so vital in terms of making that guy miss or making that player think the hole is

to the right. when you're going to the left. And I think with Jonathan Taylor, what we've seen in the last couple of years, is this guy who just excels with the patience, excels with the, I'm going to press this B gap really, really tight, and then I'm going to jump out to outside the run.

And that linebacker is going to crash. He's going to run into my guard, who's already blocking a nose tackle, and he's going to be out of the picture while I get around the outside. That's what's made Jonathan Taylor just age so well, is he's gone from this, give me one inch of space,

and I'm going to score on you, to now this player where, you know, if my line blocks for two yards, I'm going to get five. I'm going to get six. And that is so insanely valuable as a running back because it creates more positive plays. And Taylor even mentioned earlier in camp that his goal this year is to make, you know, fewer negative plays, make those plays that are one-yard losses, zero-yard gains into two, three, four-yard gains. I'm like, man, if you're trying to already do more than that, you're already excelling at that. So I think he just gets it as a running back.

I think he's just been a really smart player the last couple of years. And I just love watching his film because, again, the way that he presses gaps, the way that he uses his vision and his ability to block those unblocked defenders, makes him, you know, the top five running back he's been the last couple of years in the NFL. You know, that's the thing that, I'm sorry, that's the thing that kind of sucks about the shelf life. Because you get to that sixth, seventh year, you've got that knowledge you were talking about where you never want to predetermine where you're going to run. But you got enough knowledge to set a guy up.

And you know you're going to fake his ass out. You know where he's coming from. And you've already planned the spin move you're going to make on him. Because you know, he's going to be running out of control. He's just going to let him run right on by. You know, but, you know, I always try to attack the running back position. Get five yards first. Do all the fundamental things to get five yards first, then bust it.

So a lot of times you think, okay, I just want to just bust it for 40. No, you got to do the things that allow you to get to five yards first, then bust it. I think that's what made Emmett Smith such a great running back because he always made the right move when he got on the second level of the defense. Of course, he had a good enough O line where he knew he was going to have the hole, but he knew where the people were on the second level so he could anticipate what type of move he was going to make. The longer you play, you get a sense of that kind of stuff. So happy to see Jonathan Taylor, you know, reach that level of smartness where he can really shine as a

running back. And, you know, like the way he's built up his body because you're going to get hit all the time. So you actually have to pad your body to take all the hits. And all of them aren't, you know, straightaway hits. I got a ton of glancing blows. I probably, in all the years I play football, probably got to stuff and knocked out of me six times. You know, they were all my fault because I didn't see to do. But most running backs, a lot of times when they know they're going to get hit,

they can just turn their shoulders just a little bit and they get a lot of glancing blows. You know, so that's another way to, you know, elongate your stay. in the NFL is not taking unnecessary punishment. But build your body up and then anticipate and don't take the brunt of the collision all the time. Well, it's cool to see Jonathan Taylor kind of turn into like, you know, NBA guys do this, the true great ones, where they're relying on their athleticism early,

and then they get older and they get smarter, and it almost becomes even more diabolical. Like Chris Paul can just get out there and completely outsmart you now because he can't rely on the stuff that he relied on when he was 25 years old. And I love that. I love watching that kind of come to fruition. But important to mention here, too,

even though they're only three on the active roster, they did keep Uly's Bentley the fourth and Kalil Herbert on the practice squad too. So that is something that they can take advantage. I know those are two guys that they liked. And Zach, you spoke highly of Ulysses Bentley the fourth as well and the way that he performed in training camp and in the offseason. So something to keep an eye on in case that, you know,

knock on wood, you know it's a running back position right so there are going to be bumps and bruises along the way thanks so much for joining us another edition of the colt squad show in the books again we're going to have the game recaps following each and every colts game this season for you right here on the locked on colts network but without games for the next couple of weeks we'll still keep this Wednesday Sunday cadence going so Sunday night I know there's no game that's okay 9 p.m. show we're going to be talking colts football right here on the cold squad show so be sure to tune in then so our next show nine o'clock Sunday night but until then follow us on socials and at locked on Colts and we will see

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